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An over large, dysfunctional State agency.
Totally agree with you Manakuke. And the nerve of our state government legislators and senators all attending the opening ceremonies for the new legislative season. AUWE !!!
Uhhhh, try every city & state agency. Bureaucracy is out of control, wasting money.
Exactly! The DOE’s payroll system is just one of HUNDREDS of inefficiencies in state government. This was SUPPOSED to be fixed by an IT overhaul that was in process when Governor David Ige decided to pull the plug last March.
Bet Ige wishes he didn’t do that now.
This State squandered tens of millions of dollars on IT with no results long before Ige pulled the plug.
My question is did the state also issue IRS W-2 Forms showing the inflated amount, teachers file this incorrect amount. If so the state will have to reissue updated W-2 forms so each substitute teacher can refile their taxes and most likely get money back from the state and IRS.
Of course the state will provide each affected substitute teacher a letter to apologize for their utter incompetence and provide justification to the IRS for the revised filing.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Just another day in the little 7th world of Hawaii Nei.
The sheer incompetence of the state’s administration is simply breathtaking. A manual payroll system for 22000 employees? What genius thought up that idea? And does he or she know computers have been around for the last several decades? Matayoshi and her 9 deputy superintendents are incompetent. They can’t even cut paychecks properly, how can they be expected to teach kids anything.
Wow 3 of 233 substitute teachers came forward? Shows why our students suck. Dishonest teachers who don’t give a d@@@ just want a paycheck.
Let us be clear, that these were substitute teachers. Anyone can be a substitute teacher. Just need to take a class and you’re in. So please don’t try to compare the two.
Leave off the word “agency” – then you’ve got it right. An over large, dysfunctional State!
Interesting only 3 came forward. I guess the other thought they could just keep it-
Exactly. Keeping the payment constitute thief. They should be lucky not to go to jail.
Over two hundred substitute teachers took the money without questioning how they earned those amount….wow are these the kind of people DOE is hiring? Makes you wonder what other state department and their personnel are getting over paid for work they did not do….But then again, those that are processing and disbursing those checks are government union members….you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours, wink, wink…
Lets not forget, DOE is cutting edge with a “Manual process pay system.” As in stubby pencils, paper work. With all the hassle to get paid and it took so long to pay them I doubt any teacher had a clue what was going on.
I hear DOE is going to Upgrade their computers to Win 3.1.
These were the substitute teachers. A lot are going to quit after this fiasco.
It says the substitutes were the ones who brought it to DOE’s attention.
Yes, but only 3 of them. The rest just kept the extra money and are now saying it will be a “hardship” to have to give it back.
This was the same group that the state underpaid for years and went to court to fight having to give them their back pay. Unbeknownst to me the military overpaid me on my retirement pay for 23 years before they caught and error they made. Since it was their mistake and I had no way of knowing they had made a calculation mistake, they forgave the repayment. DOE should do the same.
How do you know if these teachers even knew how to figure out their pay? As a tutor for public school students, I’ve seen both mathematical and grammatical errors at all grade levels. There are teachers who don’t know the basics!
Affected substitute teachers say they were recently notified about the error and the plans to recover the funds. A few substitutes declined to comment publicly about the incident for fear of retaliation because substitutes aren’t protected by a union, but some said privately that the garnishment will be a financial hardship.
Financial HARDSHIP? Only 3 of them asked the question? Shame on them!
gyang, agree. I was just going to quote the “financial hardship garnishment”.
Yes….”financial hardship”. Seems to me that’s stealing if you took something that’s not yours and then you have the gall to say its a financial hardship to PAY IT BACK??????
What kind of “teachers” do we have?
Exactly the same as our elected bureaucrats.
This is another sad example of our State government’s lack of accountability and inefficiencies. Taking 1 year after to figure out what happened after being told of the overpayments is inexcusable. This is another inept State operation that needs drastic improvements.
WTH. index cards, I mean really this is 2016 and this state is so far behind its ABSURD. Not to mention it took over a year to even notice a mistake ?
Wow talk about the stupid trying to tech the youth, Good Luck !
Don’t laugh, you want to hear something even more absurd? The city of Flint, MI kept records of piping systems to the city’s drinking water on index cards dating back into the 40s and 50s. They didn’t realize what a mess they were in until they had to provide an electronic listing of all piping systems to the Federal Government in light of the current lead levels in Flint’s drinking water.
I’d bet that the $200K for DOE salaried teachers is way underestimated. My reasoning is that about 8 years ago when doing my taxes… I noticed my wife’s W2 earnings was really high. I asked her to show me her paystubs. Sure enough… double paid. I then checked her savings account… sure enough it was direct deposited in there. Her bad habit about not reconciling her bank statements and just filing her paystubs without looking contributed to the extended time of the double payments. It was about half a year’s worth… I’m assuming it happened when she switched schools. DOE never really told us what or why it happened. We did contact the HR folks… and they set it up for monthly deductions going forward. To the sum in total about $35K. We had the full amount of the money in the account to pay it back… but they said that they’d do future garnishment instead. So we went with it. Future garnishment wasn’t the whole check….. I think something like half. So… $200K? yah right. Just my wife’s alone was $35K. They not looking hard enough. Trying to sweep it under the rug. And to those trying to make like they don’t know…. BS. At most, 1 year I can understand. But when tax is due.. you’ll see your earnings and will know of the overpayment.
If I was an auditor… I’d check annual earnings over the years and look for large increases. A teacher who earns $70K per year… then suddenly went up to $100K…. fishy don’t you think? A definite red flag.
“…some said privately that the garnishment will be a financial hardship.” Then YOU should not have taken the money. ANYONE with that kind of attitude has no business teaching children.
Only 3 questioned the 2nd check?
The State needs to purge it’s workers as they are mostly, incompetent people waiting for retirement.
And…what? Put you in charge?
Frightful when you can’t trust anyone to do the right thing? That’s a clue to our society’s integrity issues. We are the problem and stop blaming someone else.
I bet a lot of overpayments are eventually written off if the debt can’t be collected as this would be the easy way with less work. And who in their right mind from the state would sign off to a collective bargaining agreement that front-loads leave benefits, including sick leave and vacation, at the start of the year for employees.
They better not write it off… we repaid ours! Maybe we were suckers for letting them know that we were double paid…
No MDA, you and your wife were NOT suckers. You two did the right thing even though no one was looking. It shows strength of character. (Now, please tell Mrs. MDA to check her bank statements/balance more frequently. This also keeps the bank honest)
Instead, they should garnish the pay of the IT guys particularly consultants.
They don’t have an IT guy, they are using index cards.
This kind of think has probably occurred before and was never discovered because nobody said anything. We truly have a dysfunctional third world government.
Index cards were outdated 50 years ago. This is absolutely crazy. And then to blame mispayments on the union contract for the recipients of the mistaken paychecks?? Absolute incompetence. A basic spreadsheet program would have taken care of this years ago. They don’t need a complete overhaul to make improvements, because anything would be an improvement.
Every time I read one of these, “you wouldn’t believe what the State did now articles”, it reminds me that the difference between a Boy Scout Troop and the Hawaii government is that the Scouts have adult leadership.
Hello, since it’s a paper check and not a direct deposit, how hard would it have been to return the overpayment? How about NOT cashing the overpayment? Where is personal responsibility and accountability. Garnish away.
Instead of index cards how about DOE paying about $400 and use Quickbooks Payroll online?
Whenever I am overpaid, I always contact the company. That way I will be able to have a good night’s sleep.
Christmas came twice in 2004.
Don’t steal. The government hates competition.
Two hundred twenty three (223) substitutes were paid twice for the same work, but only three (3) reported the erroneous over-payment. That says to me that most teachers today are basically dishonest.
I’m speechless. Without speech…..
Maybe the other teachers thought it was a ‘Bonus’ check. 🙂
Manual payroll process with paper master index cards in 2016 ? Poor system and even poorer internal controls, and the CFO is still employed ? Unbelievable !
5×8 cards….manually…We do have computers at the DOE, so why are things done manually. OMG
Contract the payroll out to ALTRES or some other automated processor. Oops. Union would allow it.