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    Black Republicans cheer Donald Trump for a newfound rhetorical outreach to African-Americans, but say the GOP presidential nominee must take the message beyond arenas filled with white supporters and venture instead to the inner cities he has started talking about at rallies.

AKRON, Ohio >> Black Republicans generally praise Donald Trump’s newfound outreach for African-American votes that typically go to a Democratic presidential nominee.

But they say Trump shouldn’t just make the appeal at his rallies, which have nearly all-white audiences and often are held in majority white communities. Instead, they say Trump must go to the inner cities he’s started mentioning in his campaign speeches.

Meanwhile, many other black voters say the New York billionaire’s outreach is misguided or even offensive, and they say they still plan to back Democrat Hillary Clinton.

They point to Trump’s generalizations about the black community. Trump says blacks have nothing to lose in supporting him, arguing that Democratic policies saddle black Americans with bad schools, crime-ridden streets and no economic opportunities.

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  • Black Republicans should be very careful if they truly believe in party values. When you see established republicans jumping ship it’s time to go find a life jacket.

    • Trump as usual is eating the naysayers’ lunch.

      His outreach to Americans of African Ancestry, however flawed, is scaring the [redacted] out of Crooked Hillary and her hench persons.

      All he has to do is dent her ‘fire wall’ a little bit and Crooked Hillary can watch her longed for electoral college majority go a’glimmering in state after state.

      You liberal whiteys don’t seem to get it: despite your racist viewpoint, all AAA’s are NOT identical and indeed they CAN think for themselves. Not surprisingly many are now being reminded of how the Democrat Party takes them for granted, while passing legislation that keeps so many in second class status. Trump, for all his warts, may begin to look like the lever AAA’s need to exert some long overdue pressure on the Democrat Party.

      • Thos, good comment, especially your identification of Americans without using a hyphen. Democrats invented hyphenated Americans and have used the concept effectively to maintain control over Americans by encouraging dissent between them. It is called “divide and conquer.” I look forward to the day when everyone in the U.S. will be known simply as Americans and our motto, E Pluribus Unum, will once again have meaning.

      • If by eating their lunch you mean losing the electoral college by 150 votes, you’re right. No better way to eat lunch than by losing in a landslide.

        You always show such great logic!

        • How convenient if is when you liberal whiteys demonstrate anew the racist lens through which you view everything.

      • Would you mind answering the following: by what specific metric are you eating people’s lunch? And don’t hesitate to be specific and supplement your answer with some quantitative data. As they say in consulting, qualitative answers are always supported by quantitative info—so, what you got??

        That’s what I thought, pillock crickets…..

      • Thos, agree with your post. The message of Mr. Trump must remain out there to provide the Americans of African ancestry the platform to question the Democrats, Ms Hillary, and how their personal vote was taken for granted. A few will understand immediately, and a few others will eventually come around.

        • Do you not find it odd that your opinion is different than more than 90% of the group you are commenting on?

          You know better than they do? You?

        • 90% of Blacks find Trump racist because he is not a government-hand-outer like the Democrats.

        • Edward Charles “Whitey” Ford (born October 21, 1928),[1] nicknamed “The Chairman of the Board” is an American former professional baseball pitcher who spent his entire 16-year Major League Baseball (MLB) career with the New York Yankees. He was voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1974.
          Ford is a ten-time MLB All-Star and six-time World Series champion. Ford won both the Cy Young Award and World Series Most Valuable Player Award in 1961. He led the American League in wins three times and in earned run average twice. The Yankees retired Ford’s uniform number in his honor.
          In the wake of Yogi Berra’s 2015 death, George Vecsey writing in the New York Times, suggested that Ford is now “The Greatest Living Yankee.”

      • Dent? 1-3% of the black vote that is considering to vote for the Chump. He is going to need a major catastrophic event to sway the black vote in his direction and that will never happen. The dummy ran off his mouth all year long and thought people would forget what he said. His core base, you among them, have been no help at all. Watching him make a fool of himself for over a year and applauding his stupid antics. What you have encouraged him to do is to take the path less traveled and he has lost the way and can’t find the way back.

  • I can’t wait for the Trumpers to start posting comments about how this article is biased and that the “liberal media” shouldn’t be pointing out that Trump has a race problem within his voter base.

  • If Donald “I love Black people” Trump held a rally in a minority neighborhood, about 8 people would show up (crickets chirping). Or maybe more like 8,000 protesters (rotten fruits & veggies flying).

    Trump’s not so dumb that he doesn’t know that. What a sad sight that would be all over the news! Everyone agree?

    Friends, that’s the reality of Trump-Pence.

    • Mega-Monkey-Boy, you and those like you are worth a million bucks to Don Trump on his romp to the White House, so don’t ever change.

      Trump has piled one success on top of another by the simple tactic of letting silly people underestimate him.

      Thanks to those of your ilk, he laughs all the way to the bank – – or, as in this case, the Oval Office.

      DOOOOOO ~~ by all means ~~ carry on with your puerile prattle.

        • Also it’s a very long run to the bank of China. He must not go there often if he owes them 600 million.

        • Keaukaha, cute, the Bank of China’s United States branch is located in the Trump Tower New York. Could there be a wash, where the Bank of China owes the Trump Organization $600 million.

        • Keaukaha, US Economy. The U.S. debt to China is $1.243 trillion, as of April 2016. That’s 30% of the $4.046 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $19 trillion debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.Jun 25, 2016.

        • Republicans also hate clean air and water, wrongly claiming EPA requirements eliminate jobs. Republicans simply want to destroy the Earth, for money.
          Republicans also don’t care much for Veterans. They toot their horns, blow their whistles, and scream, “‘murica!,” at the top of their lungs, but their track record of approving Veterans bills is horrid.

  • Lol, the caption says “Black Republicans cheer Donald Trump for a newfound rhetorical outreach to African-Americans…” and the photo shows ONE under-educated-looking Black man sitting all alone at a McDonald’s.

    One Black man who’s grateful that Donald will protect him from being shot while walking down the street! One Black man who said to himself, “What the hell do I have to lose?!” One Black man who wants to make (White) America Great Again! One Black man who doesn’t like Beyonce….

    • Teel me, how would I be able to spot an under-educated-looking Black man in a crowd? Is it his style of dress? Or maybe his physical appearance. Or because he’s sitting in McDonalds? You seem to be implying that because he is under-eduacted (your words) that his opinion doesn’t matter. If I didn’t know any better I’d say you are engaging in the “soft bigotry of low expectations” based on the man’s skin color.

      • An inane question from an equally inane person. And the answer is rather straightforward–historically, many candidates have gone to HBCs (historically black colleges) for Q & A sessions. So, at places like Spellman, Howard, Morehouse provide both a great intersection of the black community and it its best and brightest, from students to faculty to administrators.

        Of course Trump would never go to these places, or similar like the Harvard or Yale Black students union– why–in a word–chicken, which is also a kissing cousin of crickets.

        Images count, and this myopic pretense that all blacks are down and out, refuses to acknowledge the many affluent black communities say in Atlanta, Baldwin Hills…etc

      • People being under-educated is VERY important to Trump, because they are a huge chunk of his supporters. Without that group, he’d be even further behind in the polls.

        One thing is for sure: if, by some unimaginable series of events, Trump somehow gets elected, he will NOT be known as “The Education President.” All agree?

      • No, it means I have eyes that see and a brain that comprehends. The photo is supposedly of “Black Republicans (plural)” who cheer Trump—but there is only one person in the picture. Realism, not racism.

        When Trump shouts out his cartoonish concept of the Black experience—that they get shot all the time, their lives suck, so why the hell don’t they trust him—he’s displaying his complete ignorance of reality and of the fact that Black people can think for themselves. Ignorance begets racism.

        • ” I have eyes that see and a brain that comprehends.”

          A highly questionable proposition at best if the evidence you have provided thus far hold sway.

        • One person in the photo is evidence.

          Your turn. Show us a photo (or draw your own) of more than 10 Black people cheering on the Donald. Evidence of that (don’t change the subject), please.

  • This is naturally backfiring on Mr. Trump – his polling numbers among black voters have dropped since he began this terrible effort – mostly because he’s using fabricated statistics (he’s a very practiced liar) and he’s giving this stump speech only to pure white voters. So this campaign is nothing more than trying to make white people feel better about voting for a racist.

  • The Clingons are grasping at air. The road to the White House will be impossible. The whole family might in up behind bars.
    Whether or not the Blacks chose to live the way they’ve become accustomed is their choice. Trump is saying he can do better.
    The DNC is being attacked left and right. The AP? Who would have thought. Benghazigate was the key to the biggest Clinton Gate.
    And if Obama didn’t know what was going on under his watch Trump is right. Crooked Hilliary was running amok.

      • Hillary State Dept. Helped Jailed Clinton Foundation Donor Get $10 Mil from U.S. for Failed Haiti Project

        AUGUST 23, 2016
        The new batch of emails showing that the State Department gave special access to top Clinton Foundation donors while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state brings to mind the case of a shady Miami businessman serving a 12-year prison sentence after scamming the government out of millions. His name is Claudio Osorio, a Clinton Foundation donor who got $10 million from the government after the Clinton State Department reportedly pulled some strings.

        Osorio got the money from the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), a federal agency that operates under the guidance of the State Department, to build houses in Haiti after the 2010 earthquake. The OPIC supposedly promotes U.S. government investments abroad to foster the development and growth of free markets. Osorio’s “Haiti project” was supposed to build 500 homes for displaced families in the aftermath of the earthquake. The project never broke ground and Osorio used the money to finance his lavish lifestyle and fund his illicit business ventures. He also ran a fraudulent international company with facilities in the U.S., United Arab Emirates, Germany, Angola and Tanzania that stole millions from investors. Some of the OPIC Haiti money was used to repay investors of his fraudulent company (Innovida), according to federal prosecutors. In September 2013, Osorio was sentenced to 150 months imprisonment and three years of supervised release.

    • What’s impossible is the actual numbers that Trump is training. He is not just behind, he is making historical deficits. Facts, not platitudes….

    • Maybe. Cause we’re all Americans. I find it a bit desperate that the Dem’s may be losing their control over a population that they have looked down upon since slavery. Democrats have used the Black population only for their votes. So they use the media like this to promote their propaganda. Meanwhile the inner cities have never been so dysfunctional and dangerous. I’m not sure Trump can fix everything but I am sure that life time politicians are the cause of most of the problems in our country today. Jmo

      • You’re incorrectly assuming that black people cannot make decisions based on their own self interests like everyone else.

        You think they’re being controlled by someone? That stopped a long time ago.

        Inner city crime rates, generally, have dropped.

        You need to read more. A lot more.

        • “Inner city crime rates have dropped.”???

          I dare you to read Heather Mac Donald’s new book WAR ON COPS.

          Indeed I DOUBLE DOG DARE you to read it.

          Then let’s talk about Baltimore, Milwaukee, Chicago ….

        • thos – Please have a literate friend read my comment to you.

          Inner city crime rates, generally, have dropped. Period.

        • Klastri, in Chicago maybe because the kill rate is higher than the birth rate. And don’t forget who put the super predators in jail. Crooked Hilliary.

      • Interesting point, berry. I hadn’t thought that Dems have been exploiting Blacks all these years, even putting one in the White House to fool them. And maybe Trump being the first candidate to promise to prevent them from getting shot at walking down the street makes him the first non-racist billionaire (pending release of tax forms) candidate.

        You should consider joining the Trump campaign officially. They are in need of fresh faces and ideas, and your thoughtful, original insights could be what gets Trump-Pence over the bump. And they do have paid positions open. YOU can help Make America Great Again!

  • Good news for Trump fans, he is making some states much more competitive, the problem is that these states previously historically Red states.

    Donald Trump has upended much of what we thought we knew about U.S. electoral politics. Maybe Republican voters aren’t as conservative as we thought. Maybe candidates can make seemingly crazy statements without harming their prospects. Those were both lessons we learned from the Republican primaries. But the general election has gone more according to script, and Trump hasn’t upended that most basic feature of general elections, the map.

    As politics has become more polarized, the electoral map has changed very little from election to election. But because Trump is such an unusual candidate, it seemed possible there would be states in play this year that usually aren’t. Trump himself said he would compete in deep-blue states like California, New York, Oregon and Washington. So far, however, the 2016 map looks a lot like the 2012 map. Some reliably red and blue states are a tad more competitive this year, relative to the country overall, than in recent elections, but Trump has not reshaped the political landscape. And with Clinton leading Trump nationally by about 7 percentage points, the typically uncompetitive states that seem most likely to flip are red, not blue.

    Among the 44 states where general election polling has taken place, Hillary Clinton is ahead of Trump in every state that President Obama won in 2012, plus North Carolina. Here are the FiveThirtyEight polls-only adjusted polling averages for each state versus the vote percentage margin between Obama and Romney in 2012:

    Buahahahahahahahahahhahahahhaha–cricket crew!

      • Old enough to identify when everything says it’s not going to turn out well for Rs. And young enough to find humor in the fools errand y’all are on….

        So, what fake degree are you going to make-up today, now remember it’s PhD, not PHD, lest you get found out again.

        • Here’s the case against the Clinton Foundation, in a nutshell: If Bill and Chelsea Clinton are leading a powerful private philanthropy while Hillary Clinton holds a high-ranking government post, it is guaranteed to create at least the appearance of donations to the foundation in return for access to the government.

          Conscious of this danger, the Obama administration extracted an agreement from the foundation to disclose its donors, as a prerequisite for Hillary Clinton becoming secretary of state. That disclosure does not seem to have prevented potential conflicts of interest—but it does undergird two important stories Tuesday.

          The Washington Post, using emails revealed as part of a lawsuit by the conservative accountability group Judicial Watch, traces the paths from foundation donors to State Department supplicants. Often, the requests seem to have come through Doug Band, a foundation official and close aide to Bill Clinton, and arrived with Huma Abedin, a close aide to Hillary Clinton at the State Department. (At the end of her time at the State Department, Abedin received a special classification allowing her to also work for Teneo, Band’s consultancy.)

          The requests highlighted by the Post run the gamut. Bono, a frequent Clinton Foundation presence, wanted help streaming U2 concerts to the International Space Station. (Neither Abedin nor Band any ideas.) A Los Angeles sports executive who gave $5 to $10 million to the foundation sought help getting a visa for a British soccer player with a criminal record. (“Makes me nervous to get involved but I’ll ask,” Abedin wrote to Band. “then dont,” he replied.) An activist who gave between $100,00 and $250,000 wanted to set up a meeting between Clinton and an executive at Peabody Coal. “Huma, I need your help now to intervene please,” she wrote. “We need this meeting with Secretary Clinton, who has been there now for nearly six months. This is, by the way, my first request.”

          Others of those involved seem unusual. The crown prince of Bahrain, an American ally in the gulf, got a meeting, though he requested it both through official channels and through the Clinton Foundation side channel. Muhammad Yunus, the Nobel Peace laureate whose Grameen Bank gave six figures, met with Clinton to discuss his persecution by the Bangladeshi government.

          In total, the Associated Press calculates:

          More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money—either personally or through companies or groups—to the Clinton Foundation…. At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press.
          As questions about the Clinton Foundation mount, the organization announced last week that it would not accept foreign or corporate donations if Hillary Clinton wins the presidency. (On Monday, Donald Trump called for a special prosecutor to look into the foundation.) But these stories show why that measure probably should have been taken before Clinton became secretary of state, and why it’s insufficient if she’s president.

          Even if every one of the meetings that Secretary Clinton had with foundation donors was a meeting she would have had anyway, the impression that one can pay to play means that there’s no tidy way to wall the two off. If the Clinton Foundation hadn’t existed and been taking these donations, no one would look askance at Secretary Clinton meeting with many of the principals. Barring corporate and foreign donors, while important, seems incomplete if Clinton is president, in charge of not only foreign but domestic policy. Does anyone believe wealthy executives can’t figure out how to give a personal donation and then try to leverage that for corporate aid? This is why there’s an increasing drumbeat for the Clintons to shut down the foundation entirely, or perhaps to mothball it. Any future findings that suggest pay-for-access will only magnify those calls—and hurt Clinton politically.

          http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/

    • Well, he has at least one female executive on hand, his daughter Ivanka. But only because she’s hot. Trump only respects women who are hot. He’s an old-fashioned guy who thinks his daughter is hot.

        • ROGER STONE: Now Chelsea, their daughter, who is, as I say in this book [The Clintons’ War on Women], actually the daughter of Webb Hubbell and Hillary Clinton — you can see this based on a series of photographs. Hillary admits in her own book that a large football player-sized man taught her the proper way to hold a baby. Who could that be? And if you look at her, she doesn’t look anything like Bill. She looks just like her daddy, despite four plastic surgeries, the youngest one when she’s only 18. What 18-year-old gets plastic surgery unless you’re trying to, I don’t know, thin out the lips and make you look less like your daddy.

  • trumpy is desperate. he thought he could appeal to the white supremacists and that would carry him in the general. now that he is losing, he is flip-flopping trying to court the black and latino votes. the blacks and litinos are not stupid, they can see a liar, the stupid one is trumpy.

  • Even more good news for Rs–not. The Senate is now predicted to also be turned over to the Ds.

    The Upshot’s new Senate election forecast gives Democrats a 60 percent chance of winning control of the chamber in November.

    Included within this 60 percent is a 17 percent chance that the Senate ends up evenly split with a Democratic vice president providing the tiebreaking vote.

    By our count, the Democrats need to win five seats among the 11 most competitive races. (The Democrats will need to win six if Donald J. Trump wins the presidential race; we put Mr. Trump’s chances of winning at only 11 percent). Ten of these seats are held by Republicans, and one by a Democrat, Harry Reid of Nevada, who is retiring.

    That the Democrats are favored in this election should not be surprising.

    The 2016 Senate elections boded well for the Democrats without any consideration of a possible Trump effect on down-ballot races. In recent history, Democrats have done better in presidential election years than in midterm years, when turnout is lower. Most of the senators up for re-election last went before the voters in the Republican wave election of 2010 — when the G.O.P. made big and broad gains in an anti-Obama environment — leaving Republicans with several potentially vulnerable incumbents.

    This year, the Democrats are defending only 10 seats while the Republicans have to preserve 24. On fundamentals alone — that is, historical voting patterns, the candidates’ political experience and fund-raising — the Democrats would have about a 50-50 shot to win the Senate. The latest Senate polling improves this figure to 60 percent.

  • Why? Why does Trump just not get it with communities of color? Well, two themes emerge: one, like a great deal of complex public policy issues who over simplifies the topic; two, he creates and illustrates by creating caricatures that can at best be considered pejorative and bordering on racial polemic.

    “In recent days, across this country, I’ve asked the African-American community to honor me with their vote,” Trump said in Virginia over the weekend. “I fully recognize that outreach to the African-American community is an area where the Republican Party must do better.” Yet he also predicted he’d sweep the black vote during his 2020 reelection campaign. “At the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will get over 95 percent of the African-American vote.”

    That would be truly remarkable. As reported in November 2015, the best any Republican has done with black voters in the last few decades was Gerald Ford’s 17 percent in 1976, running against a Southern Democrat in an era when Dixiecrats and Democratic support for segregation were still within recent memory. (At the time, one poll showed Trump pulling 25 percent of the black vote; most analysts predicted the real numbers would be much lower, and here we are.) What’s more, a 95 percent total would match only Barack Obama in 2008, and would exceed his 2012 showing among African Americans.

    Nor do his recent appeals seem likely to close the gap much. First, Trump’s approach risks coming across more as lecturing than as reaching out. His comments in Akron were similar to a riff he delivered in Michigan on Friday, calling on black voters to give him a chance.

    “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?”

    This paternalistic tone has been Trump’s hallmark of late—for example, in his nomination-acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, where he told listeners, “I alone can fix it.”

    Trump’s caricatures of black communities as dens of crime, poverty, and shiftlessness are not likely to win him many fans. (In May, when the journalist Robert Draper asked him the most dangerous place he’d ever been, he quipped, “Brooklyn.” He was probably not referring to the threat posed by Williamsburg gentrifiers.) Not all blacks are living in poverty. While some black Americans live in rough neighborhoods, others do not. And African American voters are widely concerned with racial discrimination, both at the hands of the police and criminal-justice system and otherwise. Calling for more stringent policing is not necessarily the solution that black communities want. Trump, in contrast, has made praising the police a regular part of his speech, and when asked whether he believed African Americans were subject to bias, he said he could empathize because the election system was “rigged” against him.

    Trump might be able to craft a more effective outreach message if he were spending meaningful time seeking out African American voters and leaders. But Trump has tended to avoid black organizations and black communities. He skipped the annual convention of the NAACP, which is typically not a friendly audience for a GOP candidate, but which Mitt Romney visited in 2012. Trump supporters complained to The Wall Street Journal that the candidate had skipped out on other chances to speak to black audiences.

    “You can go to war zones in countries that we are fighting and it’s safer than living in some of our inner cities that are run by the Democrats.”

    Meanwhile, he’s delivering his appeals to black voters in overwhelmingly white places. Trump began his latest African American outreach with what was billed as a speech in Milwaukee, where protests erupted recently after police shot and killed Sylville Smith, a black man. But the event was actually in suburban Washington County, Wisconsin, which is 96 percent white. In Michigan, Trump spoke in Eaton County, which is 88 percent white. During an appearance on CNN Monday night, Trump’s former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski suggested that Trump felt unsafe holding events in African American centers, an argument likely to alienate black voters even further. It’s certainly true that black communities may not be favorably disposed to Trump, but that’s the problem he’s trying to fix in the first place.

    Trump continues to view minority communities through an essentialist lens, as groups whose interests can be distilled to economic insecurity. He tends to speak about them as a monolithic and inherently separate group from himself and his campaign—and, by extension, his base. It’s little wonder black voters aren’t flocking to him. “We’re going to have great relationships with the Hispanics,” he said in May. “The Hispanics have been so incredible to me. They want jobs. Everybody wants jobs. The African Americans want jobs. If you look at what’s going on, they want jobs.” He has since added crime to the list of worries, part of his more recent attempt to position himself as the candidate of law and order.

    According to some media narratives, appealing to economic anxiety has been highly successful with white voters. As Derek Thompson notes, that’s too simplistic a view, and “economic anxiety” is to a great extent inextricable from racial insecurities; moreover, Trump isn’t winning enough white voters to win the election–period.

    Atlantic

    • Giuliani Fuels Clinton Health Rumors Again … and Again
      by ANNA BRAND

      Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Monday continued to insist that Hillary Clinton’s physical and mental health is failing but again offered no evidence beyond unsubstantiated or debunked theories circulating on the Internet.

      Over the weekend, Giuliani, who is a close adviser to GOP nominee Donald Trump, urged people to look for videos on the Internet that support such theories. “Go online and put down ‘Hillary Clinton illness,’ take a look at the videos for yourself,” Giuliani urged on “Fox News Sunday.”

        • HiLIARy looks terrible, even for her. Now instead of answering questions she is passing out candy. Donald looks great.

        • The Chump just said he doesn’t want the white supremacist vote on CNN with Anderson Cooper. That means that he just let lespark, sarge, thos, moilee, blueeyeddevil, titagirl and so many others off the hook. He is drowning and there is no reasonable help available in sight. Some of his advisers are seriously thinking about keeping him out of the debates knowing that he will get his as- kicked big time. Seriously would you send your three year old in a cage with a pit bull? She is going to make hamburger out of his sorry as-.

        • Hillary is not the pu-ss- that Hannity and O’Reilly are who provide him the crutch when he stumbles. His father is dead and the silver spoon is tarnished. He is just saving his own sorry -ss and to hell with all of the sheeple that believed in him. To the FOOLS goes the spoils.

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