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Nānā ka maka; ho'olohe ka pepeiao; kāko'o ke kanaka

For Saturday, February 16, 2013

Na Kekeha Solis

POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Feb 16, 2013

Synopsis: A new bill in the Senate, SB 1235, supports Hawaiian-language television.

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Aloha mai kākou e nā makamaka heluhelu o Kauakūkalahale. Eia mai kahi Pila Kenekoa e maka'ala ai a e kāko'o ai. 'Akahi nō a lohe mai māua ma Kauakūkalahale i kēia pila hou i ka pule nei i hala. 'O ka Pila Kenekoa 1235 ia. A he pila ia e ho'oka'awale ana i kahi māhele o nā lilo e loa'a ana ma o ka 'auhau kīwī uea no ka hui 'o Makauila. Ua ho'olauna 'ia a'ela ua Pila Kenekoa 1235 ala i ka 'Aha Kenekoa i ka lā 24 o Ianuali o kēia makahiki nei. Akā, ma muli paha o ka moloā o ko 'oukou mea kākau a me ka nui o ka huluhulu i loko o ka pepeiao, 'a'ole i lohe 'ia no nei pila a i ka pule nei i hala.

I ka Pō'ahā nei, ua kama'ilio 'ia ihola nei pila ma ke Kōmike Ho'omalu Kanaka Kemu me 'Oihana Kālepa (Commerce and Consumer Protection) a 'āpono 'ia iho nei e lākou me nā ho'ololi 'ōlelo pāku'i. A no laila, he mea maika'i paha ia, 'oiai, 'o Makauila, he hui ia nāna e hana nei i nā mea Hawai'i like 'ole no ke kīwī i mea e lilo ai ka 'ōlelo Hawai'i i mea ma'a mau ma ko kākou mau nohona ma o ka hana a me ka ho'olaha 'ana i nā mea like 'ole e pili ana i ka ho'ona'auao Kanaka Maoli, ka 'ōlelo Hawai'i, a me ka hana a ka po'e Hawai'i.

He mau hana maika'i aku nei kā ka hui 'o Makauila. Nāna i ho'okumu i ke kānela 'ŌiwiTV. Ma ia kānela, he hiki ke nānā 'ia nā mea like 'ole e pili ana i ka Hawai'i ma ka 'ōlelo Hawai'i a me ka 'ōlelo haole ma ke kānela 326 o ke Kīwī Uea (Oceanic) a me ka pūnaewele, www.oiwi.tv. A na Makauila nō ho'i i hana iā 'Āha'i 'Ōlelo Ola, ka polokalamu nūhou mua ma ka 'ōlelo Hawai'i ma luna o ke kānela kīwī 'ano nui. A ua ho'okumu 'ia nō ho'i kahi polokalamu a'o i ka hana ho'olaha polokalamu kīwī a 'ano 'ē a'e paha no ke Kanaka Maoli.

Ke nānā aku, he maika'i ke kāko'o 'ana i kēia hui 'o Makauila, i mau ai kāna hana maika'i. A no laila, ke lohe paha 'oukou, e nā makamaka heluhelu, i ke kūkākūkā 'ia 'ana o nei pila ma ka 'Aha Kenekoa a ma kahi kōmike paha o ia 'Aha, e hele aku me ke kāko'o 'ana i mea e laha ai ka 'ōlelo Hawai'i a me nā mea 'ē a'e e pili ana i ka Hawai'i.

He kāko'o nō ko 'oukou mea kākau i ka Pila Kenekoa 1235 e lilo ana kahi pu'u kālā iā Makauila, me ka mana'o, ma kēia hope aku, ke loa'a kekahi hui e makemake ana e hana i kekahi polokalamu kīwī a mea 'ē a'e paha, e kōkua a kāko'o ana 'o Makauila ma ka ho'oka'awale 'ana i pu'u kālā a me ka 'ae 'ana paha e ho'ohana i nā pono. A me ka mana'o nō ho'i, e paipai a e koi aku paha ke aupuni i nā kānela a pau o Hawai'i, e kāko'o i ka 'ōlelo Hawai'i ma ka ho'olele 'ana i nā polokalamu a me nā ho'olaha ma ka 'ōlelo Hawai'i. A he mea nui ia no kekahi mau kumu, eia na'e kākou i ka hopena o kahi kolamu a kākou. A no laila, no kekahi lā paha ia. A e 'olu'olu, e kāko'o i ka Pila Kenekoa 1235 (SB1235).

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E ho'ouna 'ia mai na ā leka iā māua, 'o ia ho'i 'o Laiana Wong a me Kekeha Solis ma ka pahu leka uila ma lalo nei:

>> kwong@hawaii.edu
>> rsolis@hawaii.edu

a i ‘ole ia, ma ke kelepona:

>> 956-2627 (Laiana)
>> 956-2627 (Kekeha)

This column is coordinated by Kawaihuelani Center for Hawaiian Language at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa.

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Ken_Conklin wrote:

'Ae, e kako'o kakou i ka Pila Kenekoa 1235. Nahenahe no ka 'olelo Hawai'i. Lohe au ka 'olelo Hawai'i ma ke kiwi, hiamoe 'au ma ka noho akea. He mea maika'i 'o ia ma mua o ka wai 'ona. Aka, 'olelo he wahine u'i me ka leo onaona, ho'ala hou ko'u kino.

He ninau li'ili'i no na'e ka'u: No ke aha 'a'ole i kakau ka Pila Kenekoa 1235 i ka 'olelo Hawai'i? He pila maka lua kela. E nana keia:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/bills/SB1235_SD1_.htm

on February 16,2013 | 08:05AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

Mahalo i ke kāko‘o ...... i ko‘u mana‘o ē ‘a‘ole hiki iā ‘oe ke ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i me ke kūpono. He aha no kā lā ho‘i kāu me ia mea he "moderate fluency" ho‘i? Eia kekahi mea hou a‘e. Ma kekahi ‘ao‘ao, ke ʻōlelo pahele mai nei ‘oe i kēia "kāko‘o" ‘āpiki ‘oiai ‘oe e mea mai ana ma kekahi ‘ao‘ao ‘ē a‘e, "He ‘ano 'secret code' ka ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i, a ke a‘o aku nei ka po‘e Hawai‘i i ka ho‘okae ‘ili ma o kēia ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i nahenahe." E koho nō kā ho‘i ‘oe i ho‘okahi ‘ao‘ao wale nō! ‘A‘ole mākou i puni wale i kāu ʻōlelo pahele e kau a‘e nei i luna. Onaona nō nā pua Hawai‘i, akā pilo wale kou hanu ke palaualelo mai. Mahalo ho‘i i ke kāko‘o mai i ko‘u mana‘o!

on February 16,2013 | 05:33PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

on February 17,2013 | 08:03AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

see below.

on February 18,2013 | 03:18PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

Yes, I do make mistakes of grammar and syntax. Should I therefore stifle myself? Of course not. When I hear foreigners speaking English with bad grammar, bad spelling, occasionally incorrect word-choice, and thick accents, I nevertheless can understand what they're saying and I give them kudos for making the effort and for speaking my language better than I speak theirs. It's very impolite (let me translate that for you -- maha'oi) to abuse someone for imperfections in using a language which is not his native tongue.

on February 17,2013 | 08:04AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

IRL Level 1 – ELEMENTARY LEVEL of proficiency: That is where you are at, less than a UH Hawaiian 102 level. You lied when you said you speak with moderate fluency. When you lie once, everything else you say loses credibility. THAT was your ONE LIE. (as if you havent lied before....)

on February 18,2013 | 03:04PM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

What you SHOULDN'T do is LIE and EXAGGERATE how good you are when it is clear your Hawaiian sucks as much as your clear racism against the Hawaiians as a people.

on February 18,2013 | 03:50PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

I will also add that my use of Hawaiian is far more fluent than the way some "local" people use English. In Hawaii people born and raised here, whose native language is (supposedly) English, make so many errors of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation that it's often difficult to understand them. My Hawaiian is better than their "native speaker" English. So yes, I speak Hawaiian with moderate fluency, as anyone would surely agree except for a few nasty folks who set out with a purpose of being nasty, insulting, and demeaning.

on February 17,2013 | 08:05AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

This comment is irrelevant.

on February 18,2013 | 02:54PM

DiverDave wrote:

David Rogers is irrelevant.

on February 20,2013 | 10:32AM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

I took 4 years of German in high school (no family members spoke German); years later passed a test in graduate school proving I could read and understand scholarly articles in German (with a dictionary) well enough to use it in doing research for my Ph.D.; and years later traveled several times in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland reading the local newspapers and using the language to get hotel rooms, ask for directions, order meals in restaurants, etc. I got by just fine. My use of the language was good enough to get by, and poor enough that the locals realized it was not my native language but sincerely praised me for making the effort. That's what I mean by "moderate fluency."

on February 17,2013 | 08:07AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

This comment is irrelevant.

on February 18,2013 | 02:58PM

DiverDave wrote:

David Rogers is irrelevant.

on February 20,2013 | 09:54AM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

Regarding "secret code": I wrote that once, in passing, in a comment long ago; and yet you have repeatedly continued bringing it up. I guess it really stung you pretty hard, eh? You just can't stop bringing it up! Sticks in your craw. This newspaper publishes a column in Hawaiian language -- a column which can be partially understood by perhaps one percent of the newspaper's readers, and can be well-understood by perhaps only one percent of that one percent, using words with double and triple meanings, cloaked in culturally-specific metaphors. That's close to being a secret code. And often the content of the column is anti-American, seditious, racist, etc. On those occasions the column is speaking directly to a couple hundred radicals, in language and metaphor only they can fully understand, stirring them up with seditious, racist content that no editor of this newspaper would ever allow to be published in English.

on February 17,2013 | 08:07AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

YOU STILL CALLED HAWAIIAN A SECRET CODE. In fact, You wrote that "secret code" comment three times. I have the printed columns and comments to prove it. Another thing who wrote once was the unsubstantiated and completely flase claim that the UH Manoa Hawaiian language Department REFUSED to work with Google to create a Hawaiian language Google translator, when in fact they had worked with Google to create the Google search engine IN THE HAWAIIAN LANGUAGE. HEAD SLAP #2 FOR THAT EPIC FAIL AS WELL!!

on February 18,2013 | 02:51PM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

It a secret code that he claims to be able to speak fairly well. bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

on February 18,2013 | 03:24PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

Apparently you do not know the difference between Google creating a front page allowing users to see the Google-page navigational commands in Hawaiian, vs. Google creating a translation robot that would allow users to translate whatever content a user wishes to translate between Hawaiian and other languages. Go to Google and translate this sentence into German: "The dog bit the mailman." No problem. Now go to Google and translate that sentence into Hawaiian. No can. Or try translating this sentence from Hawaiian into English or any other language: "Ua hana mai ke Akua i na lahuikanaka a pau i ke koko hookahi, e noho like lakou ma ka honua nei me ke kuikahi, a me ka pomaikai." No can.

on February 18,2013 | 06:16PM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

Read carefully- "Another thing you wrote once was the unsubstantiated and completely false claim that the UH Manoa Hawaiian language Department REFUSED to work with Google to create a Hawaiian language Google translator" Another lie of yours. The key word of the sentence was in all capital letters: REFUSED. You LIED when you made that statement and now you in vain to muddle the obivous by your futile attempt to deflect attention from your lie. Just because there is no google translate for >Hawaiian< does NOT mean that the UH Hawaiian language department REFUSED to work with Google to create one. REFUSED is the word YOU used, and you have never offered proof of your claim. NEVER. I offered proof to the opposite- they worked with Google on Google Hawaiian. Obviously, the did NOT REFUSE to work with Google. Show proof of that claim of yours. NO CAN! Thank you for making yourself look even worse.

on February 19,2013 | 06:08AM

DiverDave wrote:

For anyone: Why isn't there a translating robot for Polynesian-Hawaiian on Google? If the U of H was involved why didn't it happen?

on February 20,2013 | 10:45AM

DiverDave wrote:

Is it possible that they saw a loss of control if it was constructed? Maybe they would rather control the language itself, convincing the parents with children of Polynesian-Hawaiian ancestry that their kids should go to all Polynesian schools, and brainwash them into the sovereingty kook fringe thought process. Then they are able to force feed them, like Nazi-Youth Camps did, turn them against the current government, teach them to believe their "everything was stolen" agenda, and believe that they should be allowed to form their own government within another. Now they seek to have the government pay for a private TV channel in which to continue to reach the propagandized students after graduation. All while laughing at the very same government that pays for their support!

on February 20,2013 | 11:46AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

When you have to ask, then you obviously do not know.

on February 21,2013 | 11:57AM

DiverDave wrote:

No David Rogers, I think I have a very clear picture.

on February 21,2013 | 12:18PM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

Oh yeah, one more thing---> YOUR WORDS ABOVE = "a column which can be partially understood by perhaps one percent of the newspaper's readers, and can be well-understood by perhaps only one percent of that one percent, using words with double and triple meanings, cloaked in culturally-specific metaphors. That's close to being a secret code." MY WORDS HERE - yet you call it a secret code one more time while you claim to be able to speak that same language with "moderate fluency". SO, you are saying that you "understand & speak the secret code your own self." So then, if I were to believe you when you say you understand and speak Hawaiian with a moderate fluency (which I don't), it is not a secret code then. That is such a paradoxical contradiction that it needs no further comment.

on February 18,2013 | 03:16PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

Regarding "moderate fluency": You obviously understood what I wrote well enough to consider it worthy of a reply. When someone learns a different language, he can understand what he hears and reads at a much better level than he can speak or write that language. But if he can speak or write it well enough to get his message across -- that, combined with the better level of understanding what he reads or hears, is what anyone would call "moderate fluency." Yes, I do make mistakes of grammar and syntax. Should I therefore stifle myself? Of course not. When I hear foreigners speaking English with bad grammar, bad spelling, occasionally incorrect word-choice, and thick accents, I nevertheless can understand what they're saying and I give them kudos for making the effort and for speaking my language better than I speak theirs. It's very impolite (let me translate that for you -- maha'oi) to abuse someone for imperfections in using a language which is not his native tongue. I will also add that my use of Hawaiian is far more fluent than the way some "local" people use English. In Hawaii people born and raised here, whose native language is (supposedly) English, make so many errors of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation that it's often difficult to understand them. My Hawaiian is better than their "native speaker" English. So yes, I speak Hawaiian with moderate fluency, as anyone would surely agree except for a few idjits who set out with a purpose of being nasty, insulting, and demeaning. I took 4 years of German in high school (no family members spoke German); years later passed a test in graduate school proving I could read and understand scholarly articles in German (with a dictionary) well enough to use it in doing research for my Ph.D.; and years later traveled several times in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland reading the local newspapers and using the language to get hotel rooms, ask for directions, order meals in restaurants, etc. I got by just fine. My use of the language was good enough to get by, and poor enough that the locals realized it was not my native language but sincerely praised me for making the effort. That's what I mean by "moderate fluency."

on February 17,2013 | 08:00AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

Oh well! The bit dog barks!!!! LOOOOOOOL!

on February 18,2013 | 01:56PM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

WRONG. FIRST - YOU see fit to comment on articles by ME and others including Kekeha and Keao NeSmith. Your point is....??? SECOND: You claim by inference that you can understand and read Hawaiian better than you speak, but we all know that is a lie because A) when you comment on the Hawaiian language columns, you talk only about what is contain in the English language synopsis and then you fly off on irrelevent tangents such that it leads one to conclude that you cannot indeed undertand what you claim to have read and B) because in your reply to my comment in Hawaiian you state that I understood what you wrote when in fact, WHAT I SAID IN HAWAIIAN WAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE. What part of this sentence- " ‘a‘ole hiki iā ‘oe ke ‘ōlelo Hawai‘i me ke kūpono." and my comment itself indicate that I understood what you said??? Translate my comment into English. You can't. THIRD - You said you SPEAK with moderate fluency, NOT " READ AND UNDERSTAND" with moderate fluency. According to the Interagency Language Roundtable scale, you are at the IRL Level 1 – ELEMENTARY LEVEL of proficiency. This is clear by the IRL level indicator quoted as such: "[the speaker] has only a vocabulary large enough to communicate the most basic of needs; also makes frequent punctuation and grammatical mistakes in writing of the language." YOUR COMMENT in Hawaiian was nothing more than a string of Hawaiian words with a blatant hapahaole grammar that was nothing more than an exercise in language learning futility. To say I understand the words individually is one thing, which is true, but for you to state that your words had a comprehensible meaning in their entirety is risible. YOU are a beginner, a novice, a green thumb, and nothing more than a líàr when you say that you speak with a moderate fluency. Your (lack of) ability as you have posted above betrays you. You have nothing more than a rudimentary grasp of the Hawaiian language that is BELOW a Hawaiian language 102 course. MODERATE FLUENCY IS A MEDIUM FLUENCY: your comment in Hawaiian like all of your others was nothing more than a bunch of Hawaiian words with a hapahàõle grammar. That is an ELEMENTARY level, NOT a MODERATE level, speaker, líàr. FOURTH- speaking of "me ke kūpono" once more, as an obvious ràcíst against Hawaiians and Hawaiiana, you and your ho‘okamani comment in Hawaiian are like Hítlér telling the Jews he killed "Goodbye" in Hebrew.

on February 18,2013 | 02:41PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

It's truly ludicrous that you choose to use such viciousness in attacking my level of fluency in Hawaiian. So what if I don't speak Hawaiian as well as you! Yes, you are entitled to puff up your vanity as much as you like. Yes, you can rub my nose in the dirt for being less skillful than you. It really doesn't bother me. But your repeated harping on this topic as a way of making a personal attack shows that I am correct when I say that Hawaiian language is used as a political weapon. That's how you're using it. Week after week.

By the way, you were so eager to launch your attack that you never got around to the question I asked. Or maybe you'll say it was such poorly constructed gibberish that you couldn't make sense of it and that's why you ignored it. Truly, your viciousness week after week is astounding. I do hope the authorities will use it as evidence why you should never be given a license to buy a gun.

He ninau li'ili'i no na'e ka'u: No ke aha 'a'ole i kakau ka Pila Kenekoa 1235 i ka 'olelo Hawai'i?

on February 18,2013 | 06:46PM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

You abuse what little knowledge you do have to make yourself out to be someone you are not. THAT IS THE ISSUE. You are being very deceitful when you try to elevate yourself in terms of your knowledge to be equal to a Hawaiian language student who has finished Hawaiian 202, who would be a speaker with moderate fluency. That is just disrespectful and maha‘oi on YOUR part to equate yourself with others who GENUINELY have a moderate fluency and who have actually done all that learning to get to that ability. YOU HAVE NOT DONE THAT MUCH WORK AND LEARNING, and yet you claim that you have. Thus, you deserve to be called out on it. What truly is vicious is an attack on a dead person's tribute as you did on January 5 2013, when you insulted the late Soli Niheu and his family with your posts on the column about his passing. This is vicious and rude : your words " Soli's family and his political followers have chosen to use his funeral as a public spectacle and political event by choosing Iolani Palace as its venue and publicizing it in the newspaper..... 1. Was a permit requested for the funeral to be held at the Palace, .... 2. Will the funeral service be conducted as a Christian ceremony with Christian prayers, or as an ancient Hawaiian ceremony with prayers only to the Hawaiian gods, or will it be simply a non-religious event for people to pay respects and make political speeches? 3. Regarding Soli's corpse: how is it being treated?...." How dare you just disrepect for the dead with no shame. Thus, allow me to remind you that you started it all with insults like mõrõn, ídíõt, etc. to me AND others. What you do is called arrogrance and bullying. What I am doing is called self-defense, which is a perfectly acceptable response to your bullying. SO, one.... more... time.... If you cannot take the heat, old man, then don't start the fire.

on February 19,2013 | 06:24AM

DiverDave wrote:

Gee Terii under Kelii, and all this time I thought this weekly editorial was meant to promote learning the Polynesian-Hawaiian language. Now you apparently, by your rants above, say that only the most proficient in the language should comment. Sounds like some type of elite club you think you belong to.

on February 19,2013 | 09:28AM

DiverDave wrote:

Terii under Kelii: I might also add that as poor as you say Mr. Conklin's Polynesian-Hawaiian is your English writing ability is worse. One only has to go to you last comment. Run on sentences. Poor punctuation. Misspelled words. Most importantly, you construct sentences that make no sense at all. For instance you state "How dare you just disrepect for the dead with no shame", and "You have not done that much work and learning". How did you get through a basic writing course in school? You demonstrate about an 8th grade English writing level.

on February 19,2013 | 10:28AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

Thanks for proving that you and kenny are the same person, one .... more ..... time. Every time poor little Kenny feels like he is backed into a corner, here comes his other account. So not fooled by the old man, KennyKKonklin. yawn. NEXT!!!!

on February 19,2013 | 02:51PM

DiverDave wrote:

David Rogers can't speak English, and lies about me being Ken Conklin. "When you lie once, everything else you say loses credibility", David Rogers said above. Perhaps David Rogers should look in the mirror!

on February 20,2013 | 09:52AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

Dear Kenny, "That is just disrespectful and maha‘oi on YOUR part to equate yourself with others who GENUINELY have a moderate fluency and who have actually done all that learning to get to that ability. YOU HAVE NOT DONE THAT MUCH WORK AND LEARNING, and yet you claim that you have. Thus, you deserve to be called out on it."

on February 21,2013 | 11:17AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

Here is the ONE correction, which doesnt affect comprehension. " How dare you just disrepect for the dead with no shame." = How dare you disrepect the dead with no shame. /// So, I await the multitude of corrections needed in Kenny's Hawaiian language comment. I won't hold my breath because I know they will never happen. He cannot change his mistakes when he doesn't speak the language with a moderate fluency.

on February 25,2013 | 12:01PM

DiverDave wrote:

You so want to be in the club don't you Rogers? I don't think after all the awful comments, and terroristic threats, you have made that you will be writing anymore columns. You after all are nothing but a Walter Murray Gibson anyway.

on February 20,2013 | 12:11PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

This id-i-ot with at least three different pseudonyms, most recently using the name Terii_Kelii. Such a vicious, nasty fellow he/she is. Each week I read the weekly column and then write a reply to what the column is about. But this id-i-ot then immediately writes garbage about me rather than about the topic of the column. I guess it's a way of filling up an otherwise empty life. Trying to look big by making someone else look small. Id-i-ot probably rips the wings off butterflies if they don't fly perfectly straight.

Now, if you can take your meds and calm down a bit, here's the question yet again:

He ninau li'ili'i no na'e ka'u: No ke aha 'a'ole i kakau ka Pila Kenekoa 1235 i ka 'olelo Hawai'i?

on February 19,2013 | 04:49PM

DiverDave wrote:

Mr. Conklin, David Rogers, using a current name "Terii_Kelii", can never win a straight up debate on the issues themselves. He just makes personal attacks and even has made terroristic threats in writing directed at you. But, this has always been the method of operation of the sovereignty kook fringe that David Rogers belongs to. He thinks he is important to the cause when really he hurts their position being crazy every week here. Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer. The only thing you will ever get out of David Rogers will be another personal attack. He and his ilk are like the Wizard of Oz, a lot of noise, but when you look behind the curtain, there stands a weak little man of no substance.

on February 20,2013 | 10:11AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

Actually, you and your other personality are welcome to come to my Hawaiian language courses I am giving in Mexico City. I can give you the address if you can afford to come. Remember: 2 personalities but only 1 body = only 1 airline ticket.

on February 20,2013 | 04:52PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

Still on the lam in Mexico huh? I guess you went there because there's no extradition treaty. I wonder what crime the arrest warrant was for.

on February 20,2013 | 09:21PM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

This David Rogers fellow seems to have a long string of arrests in several states, and uses quite a few aliases. Some interesting mug shots make him look like one tough hombre (see, I speak Spanish too!). Go to Google and put in
"David Rogers" arrest

on February 20,2013 | 09:35PM

DiverDave wrote:

Well Ken, he is following his mentor Mr. Sai.

on February 20,2013 | 10:04PM

holokanaka wrote:

joker, do you have a doctorate degree in political science/international relations or any dotorate degree at all, had any of your arguements published in any law journal, submitted legal briefs in any court of law domestic or international, can you refute any of Mr Sai's legal arguements? if not shut up.

on February 21,2013 | 06:53AM

DiverDave wrote:

That David Keanu Sai is a convicted felon is simply a fact. If he commits anymore mortgage fraud and causes people to lose their homes due to his schemes he will go back to jail.

on February 21,2013 | 10:05AM

DiverDave wrote:

I have refuted Sai's half baked arguments before, but will do it again just for you holokanaka. Ok here's the way I see Sai vs Hillary (he will have to refile the case because Hillary has left office. Presumably it will be called Sai v Kerry) Sai, a convicted felon says he is somehow immune to the conviction, along the lines of diplomatic immunity, because of a "deal" that he claims Liliuokalani entered into with Cleveland. Here is problem number one. The Constitution she swore to uphold said that any agreement she entered into must have the concurent approval of her cabinet. Did it? No.( 2) Now if this agreement Sai speaks of happenned after the Provisional Government of Hawaii was recognized by not only the U.S.A., but all other meaningful countries, to include France and Britain, which it was, then any agreement that Cleveland entered into was against international law and therefore void.. My take is that if his case is won in the lesser courts, it will be ultimately heard by the U.S. Supreme Court. But if he loses in the lesser courts and he (Sai) appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court they will simply refuse to hear it. But, even if he is heard in the Supreme Court they simply cannot allow people to go around committing felonies and claiming immunity because of something Liliuokalani talked about with Cleveland. They will simply say that as the transfer of power to a Federal Government was not challenged in a timely manner in court, by either a citizen of the the old Kingdom of Hawaii, nor any citizen of the U.S.A., a reasonable time to object has run out. Sai is still a felon, and always will be. ( Added footnote: and if he causes anymore people to lose their homes to foreclosure he may end up in jail for fraud!)

on February 21,2013 | 10:53AM

Ken_Conklin wrote:

Hey Holokukae, I don't know who Joker is, but I do have a Ph.D. and have indeed refuted Sai's nonsense. See webpage
So-called executive agreements between Hawaii Queen Liliuokalani and U.S. President Grover Cleveland -- the new Hawaiian history scam by Keanu Sai at
http://tinyurl.com/3vdttyp

Sai wrote a reply which merely said his nonsense all over again, made personal attacks against me, but never actually replied to any of the substantive points I had made. He's a propagandist and con artist, with a Ph.D. from the UH political science department known for producing other sovereignty activists but also known for not having recognized scholars on its faculty and not producing graduates who have respect among anyone but sovereignty activists.

on February 21,2013 | 10:49AM

holokanaka wrote:

konki, konki, konki I have not read your blog/ philisophical arguement on the executive agreements, but I have read some of your other blogs, eg. on the annexation treaty. in one blog you argue that the annexation treaty was passed and therefore legal and binding. but then on another one of your "blogs" you admit that the the annexation treaty was not passed because of the "influence of the southern farmers". see your book review on Aloha Betrayed and the author Noe Noe Silva. for this reason how can anyone take your arguements seriously?as far as sai vs Hillary I don't think there is a judge in america with the guts or honor to admit that these Islands are in fact a Sovereign Nation under prolonged occupation by america. I am sure you konki read Sai's dissertation for his Doctorate and noticed that non of some of the best legal minds in the world could refute Sai's arguments. and konki and joker I still haven't seen any of your so called "arguements" published by a law journal. Sai has.

on February 21,2013 | 12:55PM

DiverDave wrote:

David Sai is no doubt an intelligent criminal. He does not care about the lives he has ruined causing many many people to lose their homes and properties to his mortgage schemes. He only cares about self enrichment , and his sovereignty fringe agenda.

on February 21,2013 | 11:08AM

Terii_Kelii wrote:

That is coming from someone who uses the epithet "red diaper dooper baby" and thinks a one-word entry in a modern dictionary of translation defines an ancient culture. I am still waiting on the lawsuit to be served on me, Kenny. Yawn. NEXT!

on February 21,2013 | 11:34AM