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Ua like paha me Kamaki Maki

For Saturday, August 17, 2013

Na Kekeha Solis

LAST UPDATED: 12:34 p.m. HST, Aug 19, 2013

Synopsis: There are similarities in what Christopher Deedy has done with what Thomas Massie did in 1932. Is the outcome going to be the same and we end up with the short end of the stick again?


Welina e nā makamaka heluhelu o Kauakūkalahale mai ka hikina a ka lā i Kumukahi a kona welo 'ana i Lehua. E hahai ana paha kākou i kahi hihia nui o Hawai'i nei. A ua hiki nō i ka hopena o ia hihia o Christopher Deedy, a 'o ka hana wale nō koe, 'o ia ke kūkākūkā 'ana o ke kiule a loa'a ka 'ōlelo ho'oholo no ka pili o Deedy i ka hewa a me ka pili 'ole paha.

'Oiai kākou e kali ana i ka loa'a mai o ka 'ōlelo ho'oholo, e no'ono'o ana ko 'oukou mea kākau no kekahi kanaka i 'ane like kāna hana. 'O ia kanaka, 'o ia 'o Thomas Massie. A 'o ka 'oia'i'o, 'a'ole wale nō 'o Massie, 'o kona mau hoa pepehi kanaka, 'o ia 'o Grace Fortescue, 'o Edward Lord a me Albert Jones. 'O kā lākou hana, ua 'aihue kanaka aku lākou iā Joseph Kahahawai a pepehi aku iā ia a make.

'O Massie, 'o ia ke kāne a Thalia Massie, ka wahine i 'ōlelo ho'opunipuni i ka lehulehu, na Kahahawai a me kona mau hoa, 'o Ben Ahakuelo, 'o Horace Ida, 'o David Takai a me Henry Chang, i pu'e aku iā ia. A ma hope mai o ke kāpae 'ia 'ana o ka hihia mua, mana'o ihola 'o Thomas Massie, e lilo 'o ia i luna kānāwai no ka pono o Joseph Kahahawai. A no laila, 'aihue kanaka 'ia 'o Kahahawai me ka mana'o, e loli ana ka 'ōlelo a Kahahawai, a e 'ōlelo ana 'o ia, ua pili nō 'o ia i ka hewa. 'A'ole na'e pēlā, 'oiai, 'a'ole i hana lapuwale iki 'o Kahahawai me kona mau hoa i ka wahine a Massie. A ma muli o kēlā, ua kī 'ia 'o Kahahawai a make ihola 'o ia.

Ua 'ane like ka hana a Deedy. Ua mana'o 'o ia, nāna e mālama i ka maluhia, 'oiai, ua lohe 'o ia, he hana 'ino ko 'one'i po'e i ka po'e malihini. He hana maika'i nō ka mālama 'ana i ka maluhia, a 'o ia nō ho'i paha ka mana'o o Massie, e mālama ana 'o ia i ka maluhia. Eia kā, 'a'ole i mālama iki 'ia ka maluhia e Deedy lāua 'o Massie. 'O kā lāua, 'o ka ho'omake hewa i kekahi mau Hawai'i. A 'o kekahi, e inu ana 'o Deedy i ka wai 'ona i kona wā i mana'o ai e mālama i ka maluhia, 'a'ole loa ia he hana akamai.

Ke kali nei ko 'oukou mea kākau 'o ke kau a'e o ka 'ōlelo ho'oholo a ke kiule. E like ana paha me ka hopena o Massie mā? 'O ka hopena o Massie mā, ua pili nō i ka hewa, a kau aku nei nō ko lākou ho'opa'i, he noho pa'ahao no nā makahiki he 10, eia na'e, ua ho'opōkole wale 'ia a he ho'okahi wale nō lā ka lō'ihi o ko lākou noho pa'ahao 'ana. A 'o ia noho pa'ahao, he noho nanea ia ma ke ke'ena o ke kia'āina.

Pehea, e pa'a hou ana ka puapua i ka Hawai'i i kēia hihia? E ho'oku'u 'olu'olu 'ia ana kekahi haole hana hewa? Pehea lā e pono ai? E pili 'o Deedy i ka hewa, a e kanono ka ho'opa'i. Pēlā e pono ai.


E ho'ouna 'ia mai na ā leka iā māua, 'o ia ho'i 'o Laiana Wong a me Kekeha Solis ma ka pahu leka uila ma lalo nei:

>> kwong@hawaii.edu
>> rsolis@hawaii.edu

a i ‘ole ia, ma ke kelepona:

>> 956-2627 (Laiana)
>> 956-2627 (Kekeha)

This column is coordinated by Kawaihuelani Center for Hawaiian Language at the University of Hawai'i at Mānoa.

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Terii_Kelii wrote:
He hana minamina ia.
on August 17,2013 | 04:37AM
8082062424 wrote:
We just may see another guilty person go free
on August 17,2013 | 04:51AM
Ken_Conklin wrote:
O wai ke kanaka me ka inoa o "Kamaki Maki?" Aia ka inoa o "Kamaki Maki" i loko o ka po'o i luna o keia mo'olelo. Aka, 'a'ole hiki e 'ike kela inoa i loko o ke kino o ka mo'olelo. "Thomas Massie" paha? No laila, e kau ka inoa o "Thomas Massie" i ka po'o.
on August 17,2013 | 06:23AM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
Thanks for the proof that you STILL cannot speak Hawaiian.
on August 17,2013 | 08:14AM
DiverDave wrote:
Gee David gets under Kelii, All this time I thought this column was meant to get people to read and write Polynesian-Hawaiian. But you apparently are here to put people down that don't use perfect speak. No wonder no one comes to this Editorial.
on August 17,2013 | 07:39PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
There is no such thing as "Polynesian-Hawaiian." There you go making things up again, AND being antagonistic.
on August 18,2013 | 03:24AM
DiverDave wrote:
Polynesian-Hawaiian, while still Polynesian, has a distinct dialect to these islands. Come on David Rogers, you are supposed to be the language know it all!
on August 18,2013 | 12:26PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
That term exists in no one else's mind except your own. I will not entertain such an obvious and sophomoric attempt at being antagonistic. I do not feel the need to beat this dead horse any further - your own government disagrees with you. end of discussion.
on August 18,2013 | 02:36PM
DiverDave wrote:
Good, then I get credit for coining the word Polynesian-Hawaiian then when anyone speaks of the Polynesian dialect here in Hawaii!
on August 18,2013 | 04:29PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
Yep, you're a real a nowhere man who creates a nowhere word for nobody. It is a perfect monument to your narcissism, arrogance, imaginary history,irrelevancy, and your antagonism. You are only proving me right about you, KennyKKonklin. Thanks so much!
on August 19,2013 | 02:41AM
DiverDave wrote:
Send back the diploma David Rogers. You learned nothing!
on August 19,2013 | 09:27AM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
You resort to antagonism when all else fails. So that is the best you can do, just resort to antagonism and call people names like red diaper dooper baby, etc. Really mature there, Mr. PhD. You continue to prove me right about you, KennyKKonklin.
on August 20,2013 | 06:08AM
DiverDave wrote:
The person really being racially antagonistic, besides you, is writer Solis. He tried to do the same thing after the Zimmerman verdict.
on August 18,2013 | 01:13PM
hanalei395 wrote:
No DumbDave, you don't have to remind people that Hawaiians are Polynesians. People already know that.
on August 18,2013 | 06:25AM
DiverDave wrote:
Oh so what about all the other races in Hawaii? What about the Japanese-Hawaiians, or the Chinese-Hawaiians. Are the people that arguably made these islands what they are today on their own blood, sweat, toil, and lives not "Hawaiians" too? What a sad racist you are. Are the only Californians white? Are the only true Texans, Hispanic? This is not what the Hawaii's Kings told the other countries that they signed emigration agreements with. The King's vision was to have them mate with the existing population and increase Hawaii's population. Now, 5 generations later, in the year 2013 these very same emigrant's offspring should not count and they're taxes should go to pay for raced based Polynesian only programs! Awful racism is all it is.
on August 18,2013 | 12:02PM
DiverDave wrote:
On November 24,1882, Hawaii's Envoy to Japan Kapena read an official statement to the Japanese Minister of Foreign Affairs Inouye a prepared message from King Kalakaua he said, "We believe the Japanese and the Hawaiians spring from a cognate race and that Japanese children growing up and amalgamating with our population will produce a new and vigorous race, which will repeople our Islands". Does that sound like they were not meant not to be "Hawaiians" too? Was King Kalakaua lying?
on August 18,2013 | 12:38PM
holokanaka wrote:
if you have 1 drop of Hawaiian blood and you claim to be Hawaiian then you are Hawaiian...
on August 18,2013 | 02:29PM
DiverDave wrote:
That's not true according to State law. I guess in this State, racism is OK as long as you have the votes!
on August 18,2013 | 04:33PM
holokanaka wrote:
I don't need a state law to tell me who I am.
on August 18,2013 | 09:50PM
DiverDave wrote:
Why don't you tell the Democrat victimizers in the State and Federal government that.
on August 19,2013 | 09:18AM
DiverDave wrote:
Holokanaka, just found out he is not "Hawaiian". Poor him.
on August 19,2013 | 10:43PM
holokanaka wrote:
how stupid is this guy joker?(aka diver dave)
on August 20,2013 | 01:45PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
VERY stupid because he does not know the difference between through and throw. This is the person who tries to present himself as educated enough to debate issues when he clearly does not know his own mother tongue well enough to produce an intelligent retort.
on August 21,2013 | 05:27AM
DiverDave wrote:
Just more personal attack from the know nothing guys.
on August 21,2013 | 09:17AM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
Personal attacks are your forté, which is why so many of your posts are missing, especially under the August 3rd Kauakukalahale column. So you really need to watch those insults of yours, because someone at the Star-Advertiser is watching you.
on August 22,2013 | 04:34AM
DiverDave wrote:
So, before the verdict is in Solis has already made his own decision as to what it will be. He feels confident because of the stupid decision by the District Attorney to go for broke.(That is to go for "murder" instead of "man slaughter".) So there it is, Solis has decided that something that happened long ago can be somehow related to this case! WOW!
on August 17,2013 | 07:34PM
Lanikaula wrote:
'Cuz the system NEVER changed! Same guys...same attitude...different times
on August 18,2013 | 06:52AM
DiverDave wrote:
By the way the Massie case took place in 1932, not 1832 as the synopsis states.
on August 18,2013 | 12:49PM
holokanaka wrote:
question joker, was there racism in the massey case?
on August 18,2013 | 09:51PM
DiverDave wrote:
We I don't know the case in and out as I have never cared to read a lot about it, but on the surface I don't think he would have been pardoned as quickly if he let's say was "somebody else".
on August 19,2013 | 09:13AM
DiverDave wrote:
holokanaka, I've got a question for you. If you came here from Japan by Kalakaua's Board of Immigration and you and your offspring never married anyone but other Japanese 130 years later are you not "Hawaiian" or must someone's ancestors be here 500 years like the Polynesians before one can call themselves "Hawaiian".
on August 19,2013 | 09:40AM
holokanaka wrote:
you are not kanaka maoli. you are like someone from texas is a texan.
on August 19,2013 | 02:00PM
holokanaka wrote:
"I don't think he would be pardoned as quickly if he lets say was "somebody else". oh thats good joker real good. so I guess you are saying if he was other then white e.g Hawaiian or Japanese or Chinese, you think maybe it would be maybe one day or maybe two days to be pardoned? I like the way you skirt an honest answer. you joker have no honor or integrity.
on August 19,2013 | 02:10PM
DiverDave wrote:
No. That's not what I'm saying you racist!
on August 19,2013 | 10:37PM
DiverDave wrote:
Sometimes people in the right circles get a pass. For instance when King Kamehameha the 4th killed his own son Edward. Today he would have been brought up on charges. But in those days he was the King.
on August 19,2013 | 10:49PM
holokanaka wrote:
the masseys were convicted by a jury of their peers. Was Kamehameha convicted by a jury of his peers. you need to read Honor Killing by David Stannard, that is if you are not afraid of the truth.
on August 20,2013 | 07:21AM
DiverDave wrote:
Kamehameha IV wasn't even charged! He was allowed to commit murder with no repercussions. So much for Kings who are above the law.
on August 20,2013 | 11:57AM
holokanaka wrote:
americans slaughtered Indians including unarmed woman and children and were never charged. so much for white folk who are above the law.
on August 20,2013 | 01:49PM
DiverDave wrote:
"americans slaughtered Indians including unarmed woman and children and were never charged. so much for white folk who are above the law" say holokanaka. What do you think happened on Oahu when Kamehameha I came and slaughtered all, women , children, and men that resisted his take over? Once again holokanaka has attention deficit syndrome.
on August 21,2013 | 09:42AM
holokanaka wrote:
"Kamehameha I .. slaughtered all women children and men" were the women and children running in terror from the white man or was the women and children actively supporting their men?
on August 21,2013 | 01:49PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
DiverDave said - Sometimes people in the right circles get a pass. Kekeha said - O ka hopena o Massie mā, ua pili nō i ka hewa, a kau aku nei nō ko lākou ho'opa'i, he noho pa'ahao no nā makahiki he 10, eia na'e, ua ho'opōkole wale 'ia a he ho'okahi wale nō lā ka lō'ihi o ko lākou noho pa'ahao 'ana. A 'o ia noho pa'ahao, he noho nanea ia ma ke ke'ena o ke kia'āina. I said - I am so glad that you agree with Kekeha, DiverDave, especially since you have no idea what Kekeha said or what the situation is that you are talking about. woo-hoo!
on August 21,2013 | 03:03PM
DiverDave wrote:
But you have not answered my question from above,
on August 19,2013 | 11:00PM
holokanaka wrote:
I answered your question. see above
on August 20,2013 | 07:18AM
DiverDave wrote:
holokanaka, the question was "must someone's ancestors be here 500 years like the Polynesians before one can call themselves "Hawaiian".
on August 20,2013 | 12:47PM
holokanaka wrote:
I answered your question. see above
on August 20,2013 | 01:50PM
DiverDave wrote:
You mean you can't answer my question? Right?
on August 20,2013 | 10:52PM
holokanaka wrote:
did you read Honor Killing joked?
on August 20,2013 | 01:52PM
holokanaka wrote:
question joker: why would a white even want to be called a Hawaiian? would a white living in China want to be called a Chinese or a white living in Japan want to be called a Japanese, or a white living in Saigon want to be called a Saigonese? why would any race want to called anything other than what they are? help me out here joker.
on August 20,2013 | 09:30PM
DiverDave wrote:
It's so ridiculous to entertain your question about " why would a white even want to be called a Hawaiian?" First of all I am a mixed race including Chickasaw American Indian. The question is racist because you are one. But, why do people want to call themselves AMERICAN? Because it is the greatest country on Earth. And, if you are interested in unity of all peoples and not racist separation and strife you would believe that we are all "Hawaiians" who live and work on these Islands.
on August 20,2013 | 10:31PM
holokanaka wrote:
an american calls himself an american because he is american just like a Japanese calls himself a Japanese, a Chinese calls himself a Chinese, an Iraqui calls himself an Iraqui, etc. "unity of all peoples" I agree in unity of all peoples but it must include respect and honor of different cultures. and by the way it seems this word racist is being way overused in these times.
on August 21,2013 | 07:18AM
DiverDave wrote:
Wrong again holokanaka. Duh, American is a nationality, not a race. With you it's all about race. That would make you a what?
on August 21,2013 | 09:25AM
holokanaka wrote:
"why would a white ever want to be called a Hawaiian" that was my question. your amigo konki wants to be called a Hawaiian. why? I wonder how many more whites wants to be called a Hawaiian. do you want to be called a Hawaiian?
on August 21,2013 | 01:57PM
DiverDave wrote:
That was to through people off.
on August 19,2013 | 10:46PM
DiverDave wrote:
The date was to through people that don't know the history off.
on August 19,2013 | 11:07PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
Definition of THROUGH 1 a (1) —used as a function word to indicate movement into at one side or point and out at another and especially the opposite side of (2) : by way of (3) —used as a function word to indicate passage from one end or boundary to another (4) : without stopping for : past /// Definition of THROW transitive verb 1 a : to propel in the air by a forward motion of the hand and arm b : to propel in the air in any manner
on August 20,2013 | 02:29PM
DiverDave wrote:
Is that the best you can do? Attack my misspelling? David Rogers= Duh!
on August 20,2013 | 11:02PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
Pointing out incorrect word choice, especially since it is done TWICE, is just fine considering that you have a PhD, KennyKKonklin. So much for YOUR own education. The next time you insult someone, this will be brought to your attention again and again. My facts against your opinions will always win.
on August 21,2013 | 05:24AM
DiverDave wrote:
Once again Mr. Alzheimers, I am not Dr. Ken Conklin. David Rogers just can't believe that the majority of people in Hawaii are against his racist notions. David Rogers= Duh!
on August 21,2013 | 09:30AM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
Fact - DiverDave cannot discern the difference between a preposition, through, and a verb, throw, yet he expects everyone to take him as a serious academic. Not going to happen.
on August 22,2013 | 06:32AM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
The synopsis states 1932.
on August 20,2013 | 03:51PM
DiverDave wrote:
It has been changed and everyone knows it, Mr. Know Nothing David Rogers.
on August 20,2013 | 10:33PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
The synopsis states 1932 now. That is all that matters. Your claim that the date is somehow incorrect to THROUGH (sic) off people is more utter nonsense, much like your enormous conspiracy theory over a single apostrophe for 'Nia - much ado about nothing and further proof that you are just here to start trouble.
on August 22,2013 | 06:05AM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
So that is the best you can do, just resort to antagonism and call people names like red diaper dooper baby, etc. Really mature there, Mr. PhD. You continue to prove me right about you, KennyKKonklin.
on August 20,2013 | 05:57AM
DiverDave wrote:
Your phone is ringing again David Rogers! Don't answer it, the University wants their diploma back!
on August 20,2013 | 11:59AM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
Fact - I have a diploma but you don't. Fact - I have already written two columns here and you have written none, in spite of the invitation to author one. Fact - you cannot discern the difference between through and throw, their and there and they're. Fact - your immature opinion of me is irrelevant to those facts.
on August 22,2013 | 06:08AM
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