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Caldwell beats Cayetano in mayor's race

By B.J. Reyes

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LAST UPDATED: 10:33 p.m. HST, Nov 06, 2012


Former city Managing Director Kirk Caldwell won the hotly contested race for Honolulu mayor, defeating former Gov. Ben Cayetano in a contest widely seen as a referendum on rail.

After the third printout, Caldwell continued to lead 54 percent to 46 percent. He was ahead by more than 22,000 votes.

"I want to wish Kirk Caldwell the best of luck — I think he's going to need that," Cayetano told supporters in conceding the race to Caldwell. 

This is Cayetano's first loss in his years in politics and he blamed it on negative campaigning.

“I want to let everyone know that we’re going to work together to move this city and this county forward,” Caldwell in his victory speech. “You have my total commitment — total commitment — to work hard every single day, 24/7 on all the issues.”

Caldwell now has the chance to “do rail better,” as he has stated throughout the campaign. Whoever won would have a significant voice in determining the future of Honolulu, primarily with respect to whether the planned $5.26 billion rail transit project proceeds.

Caldwell is a staunch rail supporter who says he can guide it better. Cayetano has vowed to kill the project if elected.

Caldwell succeeds Mayor Peter Carlisle, the popular former prosecutor who served just two years in office. Carlisle, who defeated Caldwell in a special election in 2010 to fill the second half of the term vacated by Mufi Hannemann, lost his bid for reelection in the August primary after finishing third behind Cayetano and Caldwell.

Cayetano was the top vote-getter in August with 44.7 percent, falling short of the 50 percent majority needed to win the office outright and forcing him into the November run-off. Caldwell finished second with 29.5 percent and Carlisle third with 25.1 percent.

Candidates gathered with supporters at locations in town to watch the returns. 

Caldwell’s campaign rally headquarters at Pier 10 by Aloha Tower filled up early in the night with more than 300 people, many of them sporting navy blue firefighter and State of Hawaii Organization of Police Officers T-shirts. Caldwell was backed by both SHOPO and the Hawaii Fire Fighters Association unions.

“I’m supporting Kirk Caldwell because of the fact that I want the rail,” said Kaneohe resident Eric Cassera, who stopped by Caldwell’s rally before his night shift at Kapiolani Hospital. “Traffic is really very horrendous here in Honolulu. … I don’t want Cayetano (to win).”

At Cayetano's campaign party at Blaisdell Center, Nancie Voyce was wearing a white "Ben for Mayor" T-shirt and having some pupus with her husband, Don.

"No. 1 is to stop rail," Don Voyce, 66, said of the Aina Haina couple's support for Cayetano. "We don't think this city can afford it at all."

Asked if there was a No. 2 reason they supported Cayetano, Don Voyce said, "He was a good governor and I think he can fix the sewers, he can fix potholes and straighten out the highways. I think his bus plan will work if we give it a chance." 

Caldwell, a tireless campaigner who began the year a distant third in the race, has been backed by most of the state’s largest labor unions and pro-rail groups that have poured more than $3 million into the race to take down Cayetano.

Cayetano, the former two-term Democratic governor, has been backed by a coalition of rail opponents, many who have supported Republican candidates and causes in the past.

The race has been marked by big money pouring into both sides with the fate of the rail project at stake. caldwell has raised $1.6 million, a shade above Cayetano’s $1.4 million.

Among the more visible outside spenders in the race has been the Pacific Resource Partnership, a pro-rail group that has spent $2.8 million for ads attacking against Cayetano. 

Cayetano has called the ads character assassination and part of a smear campaign to discredit his candidacy. The ads have centered on illegal donations to Cayetano’s last gubernatorial campaign, his pardons as governor and have also included a mailer trying to link him to the state Republican Party. 

PRP is a trade name for the Carpenters Market Recovery Fund, which is an alliance between the Hawaii Carpenters Union and contractors that use unionized workers. Cayetano has sued PRP for defamation, alleging that some of its advertisements are false and defamatory.

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Star-Advertiser reporters William Cole and Sarah Zoellick contributed to this report.






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Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
There is no reason to support rail. It must be desperation that its supporters feel.
on November 6,2012 | 05:54PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
We need rail and the special rail funding gives us the opportunity to get it. Rail is for world-class cities. Rail is a desirable infrastructure to improve our transportation for the future. The rail tax should not be used for anything else. Any type of modified bus plan is a waste of the special funding already set for rail. Sure we could use improvements to our bus system but these should be to improve the integration of buses into operation with rail. Rail will be the primary mover of the masses of passengers as buses circulating the neighborhoods feed into the rail trunk line. An all-bus system which uses roadways which are in competition with other vehicles will never be the standard in world-class urban areas. Right now we have the opportunity to build a modern high-speed high capacity rail line with the help of special funding. We get $1.5 billion from the FTA which discounts the cost. We also have the half percent general excise tax where non-residents such as tourists help us pay for rail. Rail is an opportunity for a better future for our children and grandchildren. Don’t listen to naysayers who are probably rich people accepting of the status quo because they already have the resources to live the way they want now. Rail is for the rest of us average locals who will benefit from better transportation and a better economy resulting from more jobs from rail construction and transit oriented development. We have rail funding and we should not waste the opportunity to build rail.
on November 6,2012 | 06:07PM
1local wrote:
The rail's only purpose is to prolong an unsustainable Union welfare breeding program...
on November 6,2012 | 06:16PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Quiet Grabauskas, the only people you've convinced to support rail have been desperate people.
on November 6,2012 | 06:39PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
And 55% of voters!
on November 6,2012 | 08:23PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Too bad there are too many sheeple in Hawaii who believed the cries of the DESPERATE!
on November 6,2012 | 08:39PM
Anonymous wrote:
If you don't like it, you can G T F O!
on November 6,2012 | 09:01PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
And let sheeple be sheeple? No can do.
on November 6,2012 | 09:20PM
autumnrose wrote:
What does G T F O mean, Star-Advertiser censors?
on November 6,2012 | 11:45PM
bobbob wrote:
or ignored the cries of the shills.
on November 6,2012 | 10:24PM
lajekal wrote:
Yes desperate people who wanted a solution to our traffc congestion..desperate people who represent a majority of the population. This is the second election where the majority have voted for rail and won. It took down an ex-governor that never was defeated in his career who could not vision what was good for us.
on November 6,2012 | 08:52PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
And rail is the answer? The majority have been wrong before when they elected Bush II to a second term. But then again, you most likely were all for that. We all know what happened with his leadership. Going forward with rail will rival Bush II's mistakes and sink us further.
on November 6,2012 | 09:20PM
bobbob wrote:
caldwell is for the people. some of you shills seem to forget that cayetano is one of the original members of the old boy network and paid off by the unions. His bungling as governor is why we voted in a no name republican from maui.
on November 6,2012 | 10:13PM
aaronavilla wrote:
your fingernails must be ground down to the nubs after all that scraping of the bottom of the barrel for ways to ignore the truth that rail won two straight elections...
on November 6,2012 | 11:25PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Rail didn't win; Mayor-elect John White and big money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in smear ads won.
on November 7,2012 | 04:20AM
chacha555 wrote:
enough already the rail people won live with it
on November 7,2012 | 07:52AM
Toyuki wrote:
Yes! And not because of what Cayetano complains about negative campagne. We voted for Caldwell because we believe in rail. We travel in Oakland, Portland, Seattle all with rail systems. They r not an eye sore. They r great to travel on. We also like Caldwell because of his track record and his personality which is very kind and a very caring individual.
on November 7,2012 | 06:19AM
Toyuki wrote:
Yes!!!!! Right on Ukuleleblue! People need to look into the future! If they think dedicated bus lanes will work then say goodbye to parking on the streets and more traffic as less roads will b accessible to drivers. Rail will be for our keikis, working families, and seniors of the near future. It will indirectly help others with traffic, such as those paces that merge with Eww, Waianae, Nimitz, Ala Moana etc. Building the 1st leg of rail doesn't mean rail is not going to benefit you one day. It has to start somewhere then extend as time goes on. Halleluah!!!!
on November 7,2012 | 06:07AM
jomama wrote:
Guess you don't live Ewa.
on November 6,2012 | 08:00PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Well what if I did? I still wouldn't agree. If you ride rail, you won't have the kind of control you've got while driving. And thinking it'll take cars off of the road? Newsflash: it won't. Don't let your DESPERATION trump logic!
on November 6,2012 | 08:10PM
Jonas wrote:
@ Ldub - You can always leave the state in protest. That way you don't have to stick around to deal with the aftermath of rail. Also, it will take cars off the road. I think you mean to say that it won't stop congestion. It will need to be one part of several initiatives in order to reduce congestion.
on November 6,2012 | 09:12PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Any proof that it will? Cars give people the kind of control rail will NEVER provide. Most people are unwilling to give up that control and can afford gas (as insane as the cost of it may be). That means rail MIGHT take SOME cars off the road, but do you really believe it'll be a high percentage of cars? Of course it won't stop congestion. Voyce was right when he said the only way we could know whether Cayetano's plan would succeed is if we gave it a try. You could say the same about rail, but wouldn't you be more willing to give something that won't BLEED the state dry like rail will? This rail may take 20 years to build. The more we wait to finish, the higher the costs will be.
on November 6,2012 | 09:27PM
NITRO08 wrote:
WHATARE YOU A CONTROL FREAK!
on November 6,2012 | 10:31PM
goodday wrote:
lol
on November 7,2012 | 06:06AM
Jonas wrote:
@Ldub - it will take the riders' cars off the road. Unless you think absolutely no one will ride it. Cayetano's plan won't stop congestion either. And we can still implement parts of it. And you are right, the longer it takes, the higher the costs will be - logic says to start it now.
on November 6,2012 | 10:41PM
goodday wrote:
would hate to have you in my passenger seat haha
on November 7,2012 | 06:07AM
itoboy wrote:
Newsflash: The majority of voters want rail. Read the headlines The people have spoken. Either help paddle the canoe or get off the Island and don't let my paddle hit you on the way out.
on November 6,2012 | 09:28PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
The majority of voters in the US also voted for Bush a second time. We all know what happened and what kind of leadership he provided.
on November 6,2012 | 09:39PM
bobbob wrote:
caldwell is for the people. some of you shills seem to forget that cayetano is one of the original members of the old boy network and paid off by the unions. His bungling as governor is why we voted in a no name republican from maui.
on November 6,2012 | 10:13PM
jtamura69 wrote:
I bet you don't even know what the old boy network is, you only think you know. Caldwell is not the best choice, he's just the popular one.
on November 7,2012 | 12:16AM
drunkpile wrote:
That's funny that your only response is that the majority also voted for Bush. Sorry, but that's how democracy works - majority rules. If you don't like it, you should try to move to North Korea. That will be one less complainer on the island whining about how something will never work even though it has never been tried. Maybe you won't ride rail but many people like myself will use it. Amazing how some people are so arrogant as to believe that just because they won't personally use something, nobody else will.
on November 6,2012 | 11:19PM
NITRO08 wrote:
Give it up anti rail loss again!
on November 6,2012 | 10:31PM
kapolei wrote:
No we just feel V I C T O R Y ...
on November 6,2012 | 09:26PM
bobbob wrote:
great news. Wonder what happened to all of cayetano's paid shills?
on November 6,2012 | 09:29PM
dunderhead wrote:
Desperate? We want rail, we voted, we won, don't like it? Tough. Find more people to support your cause next time and get them to vote.
on November 6,2012 | 10:20PM
jtamura69 wrote:
Tell that to all the windward residents that have to pay for this mistake.
on November 7,2012 | 12:18AM
ammb3 wrote:
Hold your wallets Oahu, YOUR PROPERTY TAX, VEHICLE WEIGHT TAX, will go UP, UP, UP! Roads, sewers, public safety will go DOWN, DOWN, DOWN... Kirk Caldwell, PAY FOR PLAY - over $140,000 in contributions from RAIL CONTRACTORS.
on November 6,2012 | 11:59PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Ben Cayetano doesn't have to be Mayor to continue the fight to stop the ill-conceived railroad that we cannot afford and to lead the fight against corruption in public office,like the Caldwell/PRP PAC 'pay to play' scam. That MUST be stopped NOW. And Mayor-elect John White needs to be reigned in.
on November 7,2012 | 04:15AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
The election of Managing Director John White (Mayor-elect) and his puppet, Kirk Caldwell, should not have any bearing on the court cases that still can kill the ill-conceived, far too expensive and destructive Kapolei railroad to the shopping center. Ben fought a good fight and now the people must stand up to White/Caldwell and demand transparency, beginning with disclosure of who are the secret contributors who put up several million dollars to smear Ben and promote a railroad that we don't want, won't (be able to) use, can't afford,and that will destroy our beautiful Island home, our Honolulu.
on November 7,2012 | 04:47AM
OPGLAW wrote:
More rail, less cars !
on November 6,2012 | 06:24PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
BS. Rail WON'T make people stop feeling the need to drive. What person would want to stand the whole time on the rail anyway?
on November 6,2012 | 06:38PM
Jonas wrote:
Someone who can't afford to pay $5 for a gallon of gas? Someone who prefers a quicker route than the bus? Someone who doesn't want to get stuck in traffic when the next bridge gets hit or the next truck hits the zip lane?
on November 6,2012 | 07:02PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
You really think rail will solve problems if a large military truck were to hit a bridge and break it? Newsflash: it wouldn't and would be at risk itself of a truck hitting it and causing it to collapse. And don't mention money issues since we are paying for MOST of the rail. Under no circumstances will the rail alleviate traffic.
on November 6,2012 | 07:09PM
Jonas wrote:
@Ldub - the rail pillars are built to withstand such an impact. And no, I don't believe it will solve the traffic problem if an accident occurs - unless you're riding rail and breeze right past the accident.
on November 6,2012 | 09:15PM
Anonymous wrote:
What plausible reason would you say that it woudn't? NEWSFLASH - IT WOULD! The rail line would bypass the accident scene without skipping a beat. Now put your tail between your legs, turn around and simply carry on.
on November 6,2012 | 09:20PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on November 6,2012 | 09:38PM
bobbob wrote:
your sour grapes knows no bounds
on November 6,2012 | 10:14PM
bobbob wrote:
big difference between a pedestrian bridge not meant to hold load and a real overpass. What leaves scrape marks on a overpass will knock down a pedestrian bridge. Your arguments are tired and used up like your former boss.
on November 6,2012 | 10:25PM
walaau808 wrote:
And someone who doesn't want to pay a few hundred dollars a month for downtown parking!
on November 6,2012 | 07:09PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
If you are a rail supporter, what makes you think that rail will take cars off of the road? Rail is useless
on November 6,2012 | 07:13PM
jomama wrote:
Sorry, you lose.
on November 6,2012 | 08:01PM
walaau808 wrote:
Eventually people will ride rail. It will mean a change of lifestyle, one that will benefit more in the long run. Useless is any other suggestions that will alleviate traffic. Any suggestion you have I'm sure is even more useless because all you do is criticize without any feasible and viable solution...
on November 6,2012 | 08:05PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
And you think rail is the appropriate solution? It ain't buddy. And jomama, EVERYBODY loses if we let the desperate dictate the needs of EVERYBODY. You think people will be willing to stand the whole time? You expect rail to be much faster than cars? You call me ignorant but you offer NOTHING substantial to suggest why rail benefits any of us. NOTHING. The fact that you believe we need something that WON'T, I repeat, WON'T, alleviate traffic and think that it'll solve the traffic problem is desperation. That's the only thing pro-railers offer to support their cause. Like I said, EVERYBODY loses if rail is in the cards.
on November 6,2012 | 08:14PM
Jonas wrote:
@Ldub - as I stated above, rail will take the riders' cars off the road. It won't solve congestion by itself. What do you propose instead of rail - or in addition to rail to solve congestion. It's easy to knock down ideas, but harder to come up with solutions. I'm sure any suggestion you offer here will have several critics - try post some, and we will see...
on November 6,2012 | 09:17PM
Anonymous wrote:
Loosah!
on November 6,2012 | 09:20PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Don't come crying to me when rail fails and becomes obsolete and unused.
on November 6,2012 | 09:38PM
itoboy wrote:
1 rail supporter = 1 rail rider = 1 less person driving. Still don't get it? It's a better option than Cayetano's flyover/double decker roads and stuff already crowded roads with buses.
on November 6,2012 | 09:33PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I guessed you MISSED the part where that rider could be somebody that's NEVER felt like driving, takes the bus, and now takes the rail. It ain't eliminating a lot of drivers buddy. But I won't stop you from pipe-dreaming.
on November 6,2012 | 09:43PM
aaronavilla wrote:
not to mention that many future riders of the rail are not yet drivers and have not yet established their commuting preferences. Kids who grow up with alternative transportation will consider it a viable means of getting around. This project is for the next generation more than it is for us.
on November 6,2012 | 11:29PM
bobbob wrote:
so are you
on November 6,2012 | 10:14PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Finally, peace.
on November 6,2012 | 11:10PM
8082062424 wrote:
aaronavilla you are so wrong the second a teenager get there licence is the the second they never ride a bus again. i know this for a fact.. today kids are spoilt. most have there first car by the time they grad.. . on the west side the kids all drive. think they can not afford the gas? just look at all the Hawaiian bracelets they have on there arms. folk on the west side are not going to give up there cars. most households have at least 3 cars. only folks on the west side who will ride rail are the one who ride the bus
on November 7,2012 | 11:56AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
The rail question is still in the courts,with or without Ben as Mayor. And Mayor-elect White knows that. Now he'll have to keep a pretty tight reign on Kirk Caldwell, a weak surrogate who may weaken as more facts are disclosed. Or who may not serve a full term when more details of his "pay to play" scam come to light.
on November 7,2012 | 04:34AM
jomama wrote:
Someone who prefers not to spend 3 hours a day in traffic. Lucky you no live ewa.
on November 6,2012 | 08:01PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
You think it'll change with rail? It won't. You'll remain as DESPERATE as you are when you realize rail won't take cars off of the road. What makes you think it will?
on November 6,2012 | 08:08PM
itoboy wrote:
We're not the desperate ones, it's you who lost.
on November 6,2012 | 09:34PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Right, Einstein.
on November 6,2012 | 09:42PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
We will all lose. Now that the elections are over NOW we will find out the real numbers of this rail. During Mufi's reign we saw the numbers ratchet up from $3B to $5.7B on a regular basis. I expect that ratcheting will start up again in a few months. And don't forget the big bill for the sewers and roads are coming.
on November 6,2012 | 09:50PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
The cost of rail will increase, increase, and increase. I hope you leeward residents like that.
on November 6,2012 | 09:56PM
Anonymous wrote:
I guess you haven't been to a major city that depends on a form of rail to transport working people to and from work. I must ask, do you even work for a living? Or do you collect EBT, live on a Section 8 voucher and stay home all day?
on November 6,2012 | 09:16PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Apples and oranges buddy. Honolulu ain't big enough to support rail.
on November 6,2012 | 09:37PM
bobbob wrote:
nor is it big enough to support your bag of wind
on November 6,2012 | 10:26PM
808BigE wrote:
Why don't you post your comment with your name? Ashamed of what you said? Trying to hide behind that anonymous like a true internet tough guy? But you know what...you do make sense...sort of I guess. Think of it this way, it might make your head hurt less. EVERY rail system NEEDS a major city to sustain it, otherwise it's a sunk cost. But not every city needs a rail system. Honolulu isn't enough to sustain this rail line. Everyone talks of making Kapolei the "second city", so why not offer incentive for businesses to relocate to that side of the island? Take a quarter of that 6 billion and turn it into incentive for relocation. In half the time with little to no effort we will have eased congestion, created jobs through new office construction, and managed city funds for once.
on November 6,2012 | 10:25PM
drunkpile wrote:
I notice Ldub didn't deny that he/she's never been to another major city to observe how efficiently rail works. There was also no denial from Ldub that he/she doesn't even work. Just as I suspected - complaints from a highly insulated deadbeat who has never seen the rest of the world.
on November 6,2012 | 11:30PM
kapolei wrote:
The ones that don't want to stand on the bus for 2x the time...guess you don'r know driving your BMW
on November 6,2012 | 09:27PM
itoboy wrote:
Ohhh, can't find a seat on the rail, huh? So people will take the rail. It will be so popular that you won't be able to find a seat. Next stop for rail: Waikiki and Waianae.
on November 6,2012 | 09:30PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Neither will 2/3 of the people riding. I guess you think flying cars will exist if you think its popularity will skyrocket.
on November 6,2012 | 09:42PM
NITRO08 wrote:
GROW UP!
on November 6,2012 | 10:32PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
I'm still driving my car.
on November 6,2012 | 10:08PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
So are lots of other people, maybe even rail voters.
on November 6,2012 | 10:33PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
for every bus that is added to the mix, between 25 and 125 cars are removed,lessening the traffic congestion. That's certainly a lot better than a railroad which even the promoters admit will not improve our traffic problem.
on November 7,2012 | 04:31AM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
And Jonas, the rail can only sit 64 out of over 200 people riding it. What kind of logic is that? How much more comfortable will that be in comparison to waiting in traffic (which the rail won't solve anyway)?
on November 6,2012 | 07:12PM
Jonas wrote:
@Ldub - I think you will need to pose your comfort question to the people that will ride it. I would suppose it will be a shorter ride, so some wouldn't mind standing as opposed to riding in traffic, especially when there's an accident. And riders won't be paying for gas or parking (if they are riding it to work downtown.) I think your error is only looking at it from a traffic standpoint. We know it won't solve all our traffic problems. But for those who take the bus, it may be a nice alternative. Also remember that some people are standing on the bus all the way in traffic, so rail would make that standing time shorter.
on November 6,2012 | 09:22PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
The rail obviously won't bus riders who don't live on the Leeward side or town. Yoshioka intends to screw those people and go ahead with rail. The needs of the MANY outweigh the needs of a FEW.
on November 6,2012 | 09:34PM
itoboy wrote:
No road rage; no having to fill-up gas every few days; I can check emails, listen to music, talk to my fellow Honolulu residents; less wear and tear on my car; and I don't have to worry about my employees driving drunk if they happen to go to pau hana. Can't find a seat? That means rail is successful and we can look into adding more routes and frequency.
on November 6,2012 | 09:39PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Let this continue for Cayetano. We don't need rail!
on November 6,2012 | 07:57PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I hope you blind rail supporters are happy.
on November 6,2012 | 08:00PM
bobbob wrote:
obviously cayetano paid shills on the east side aren't.
on November 6,2012 | 10:15PM
Grimbold wrote:
Caldwell won - A nightmare choice the taxpaying voters will live to regret ! Unions and Government workers and htose on the dole are able to get ahead and strangle the others.
on November 6,2012 | 08:07PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Too bad the voters let their desperation and hatred of Cayetano cloud common sense and logic.
on November 6,2012 | 08:15PM
itoboy wrote:
I like Cayetano. I campaigned and voted for him both times he ran for Gov. But I don't think he had a viable solution to our traffic problem on Oahu. Rail is not a panacea, but it was better than Cayetano's FAST plan.
on November 6,2012 | 09:41PM
bobbob wrote:
Cayetano's FAST plan was a complete sham. He was inventing federal credits out of thin air that he would qualify for, when he obviously wouldn't. His plan wasn't even off the ground yet. Also he thought he would divert the GET surcharge magically? Funy how he's a lawyer astute enough to sue the PAC slandering him, but a crooked enough politician to claim that he'd be able to divert the funds without issue.
on November 6,2012 | 10:29PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Pro-rail people, shame on you for letting your DESPERATION trump logic and common sense.
on November 6,2012 | 08:10PM
Jonas wrote:
@Ldub, why do you keep repeating the work "desperation?" What are you referring to?
on November 6,2012 | 10:45PM
itoboy wrote:
Ldub is referring to his/her own desperation to stop rail, which I guess is really bad because he put it in all caps. It's only the courts now that can help @Ldub. Too bad fed court threw out 50 out of the 53 claims.
on November 7,2012 | 08:25AM
Mana07 wrote:
You liberal dems deserve everything you get. Ever want a European vacation? We've created our own Europe with our soon to be 25% unemployment and hyperinflation...you wanted it, you got it.
on November 6,2012 | 08:13PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
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on November 6,2012 | 08:30PM
Mana07 wrote:
Oh really. Hang on to your wallet...see the problem is that you people believe the garbage these dems spout. Hope you enjoy. You must be union...
on November 6,2012 | 08:36PM
Jonas wrote:
There are also other places to live - out of country, there are a lot of expats in Belize or Costa Rica. Perhaps you could avoid all the problems that the choices of the 47% will bring.
on November 6,2012 | 09:25PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Enjoy the overpopulatoin you crave, NanakuliBoss.
on November 6,2012 | 09:00PM
itoboy wrote:
So now you want to stop population growth? It's comments like this that contributed your candidate's loss. Keep going.
on November 6,2012 | 09:43PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I didn't say I was going to stop it or knew of a way to. NanakuliBoss seems to welcome it though. Maybe to keep overpopulation from happening we can send certain people away.
on November 6,2012 | 09:49PM
bobbob wrote:
foot in mouth. hand in arse
on November 6,2012 | 10:15PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
If the shoe fits.
on November 6,2012 | 10:46PM
itoboy wrote:
Keep it up with your SCARE tactics. As the results show, it doesn't work. You make the anti-rail lose so much credibility.
on November 6,2012 | 09:44PM
Mana07 wrote:
6 Billion!!!! Really? for what? 1.5% of drivers. You people are nuts!!!
on November 6,2012 | 08:14PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Too bad desperate pro-railers can't see that and are too ignorant to grasp common sense.
on November 6,2012 | 08:17PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
No not for drivers, for your future. We are going to grow, people want to live in Hawaii. Why you think 9 million dollar condo at the Ala Moana station can sell?
on November 6,2012 | 08:32PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Can you elaborate, NanakuliBoss?
on November 6,2012 | 08:37PM
Jonas wrote:
@Ldub - he's referring to the new condo's being built atop the Nordstrom building at Ala Mo. The penthouses will go for $9MM.
on November 6,2012 | 09:26PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Santa came early. Obama,Caldwell and Pine. Thanks Santa
on November 6,2012 | 11:12PM
bobbob wrote:
it's not that hard to figure out, especially if you keep up with current events and are not living back in 2000 in the glory days with your boss cayetano and the unions hand in hand.
on November 6,2012 | 10:16PM
808BigE wrote:
That absolutely makes no sense. what does a 9 mill condo have to do with rail?
on November 6,2012 | 09:20PM
Matthew wrote:
It has to do with development, ok? The people have spoken about rail, and those condos will surely be sold . . . Man, are you tea partyers that slow? You lost, now quit your whining and wise up!
on November 6,2012 | 09:42PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
I think Nana is saying he wants Hawaii to be filled with wealthy out of state residents and foreigners to move into Hawaii..."for our future."
on November 6,2012 | 09:58PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Exactly
on November 6,2012 | 10:05PM
hikine wrote:
Oahu's population is growing like it or not. Every year people complain of traffic but what are you going to do when the population doubles in 15-20 years and still have the same road capacity? Gas will also go up in the future and are you willing to burn it unnecessarily while stuck in traffic?
on November 6,2012 | 10:20PM
The_Wonderer wrote:
It is utterly disappointing to witness the ignorance and fatuity within the minds of so many people from Hawaii. To ignore an actual civil engineer who has a job to optimize traffic, Panos P., is amazingly foolish. The taxes for everyone in Hawaii will rise to pay the outrageous costs of the rail since the government will cover only a small amount of the total costs. Another problem is that this type of rail is not even a modern type of rail. There are magnetic, high-speed rails in other countries and here is Hawaii building a rail that goes back decades. If a rail will be built, which will unfortunately ruin Hawaii's natural beauty, at least build one that is up to date, not centuries old. It'll be funny when people who support the rail will be crying and whining when the taxes are raised. It'll be awesome when they're crying and whining!!!
on November 6,2012 | 08:42PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Ignorance is the correct word. The silver lining is that Caldwell will be out of office before rail possibly finishes. One can only hope his replacement eliminates the project.
on November 6,2012 | 08:53PM
itoboy wrote:
Oh yeah, just tear everything down and throw all that money down the toilet without giving it a try. No credibility. Keep posting and digging yourself into a hole.
on November 6,2012 | 09:47PM
Jonas wrote:
@Wonderer, LOL- in the meantime, we can listen to your crying and whining posts. Sort of kidding. We can still implement some of the strategies of Panos even if rail is built. Second, Panos is a great theorist who has never proven himself. Aside from that though - modern rail will cost significantly more. Would you be willing to foot the bill for that?
on November 6,2012 | 09:30PM
The_Wonderer wrote:
Interesting how my talk of reality to you is considered crying and whining. That definitely proves my point that fatuity is thick within your sluggish mind, as well as the many others in the state. Would I be willing to foot the bill? No. I'm sure that implication was quite conspicuous in my comment. But if you're willing to put the state in debt already, it shouldn't be a big deal to you.
on November 7,2012 | 03:48AM
Jonas wrote:
@Wonderer - so how are you NOT going to foot the bill? You living in another state? By the way, I don't think you should espouse yourself as a superior intellect - you may not know who is posting. You criticize and demean those who don't think like you? No wonder the country is divided!
on November 8,2012 | 04:22PM
itoboy wrote:
Although I'm pro-rail, this is probably the most well-thought anti-rail comment on here thus far.
on November 6,2012 | 09:46PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
I totally agree with you. People want to believe that rail will be a cure-all, but they will cry in the end when they see how much it costs.
on November 6,2012 | 10:12PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I know rail proponents will deny this, but you hit the nail on the head, dedicatedteacher7
on November 6,2012 | 10:47PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
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on November 6,2012 | 08:50PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Guess your next present is overpopulation, NanakuliBoss.
on November 6,2012 | 09:15PM
itoboy wrote:
And your gift is rail.
on November 6,2012 | 09:48PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
It's nobody's gift. Don't come crying to me when it fails.
on November 6,2012 | 09:51PM
itoboy wrote:
I know it won't fail. You the one crying right now.
on November 6,2012 | 10:08PM
bobbob wrote:
even if it fails, why would anyone cry to you? you're a nobody shill
on November 6,2012 | 10:17PM
Anonymous wrote:
It will NEVER fail, you're a failure!
on November 7,2012 | 05:07AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
And along with overpopulation is the depletion of our fresh water.
on November 6,2012 | 10:00PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Voters like Eric Cassera are ignorant and let desperation cloud logic. Rail will not alleviate traffic and that's a fact.
on November 6,2012 | 09:18PM
kapolei wrote:
Let's enjoy tyhe sweet taste of victory...but let's not keep all of the dessert...we need to save some of the whip cream and give some to Ben to go with his sour grapes...no matter hpw the spinsters want to spin it...you L O S T ....mahalo Sen Inouye, Mahalo Gov Ariyoshi, mahalo to all of the greoups...let the lawyers keep on suing...tbut the people for the upteenth time has spoken...lets just move forward and get some EQUITY for the people on the West - you enjoy your H3, you enjoy your Kalanianaole widening ...we finally get something on our side !!! Yipeee !
on November 6,2012 | 09:24PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Yeah, and along with the Kalanianaole widening guess what we got immediately -- more development and thus more traffic. IF and I mean IF the rail improves traffic (hahahahaha!) guess what will happen next? More development and more traffic. Now you'll be paying way more taxes, have more cars and choke more houses and housing. Yay, you win.
on November 6,2012 | 10:09PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
Yes, please ride rail so we can have no traffic congestion. Until then, please suffer while the price tag rises and the traffic is worse while it is being built. When traffic doesn't lessen, don't cry.
on November 6,2012 | 10:15PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Exactly
on November 6,2012 | 10:42PM
polekasta wrote:
Yes, and don't forget to thank PRP for their $3 million dollar donation to Caldwell, in the form of commercials, mailers, and canvassers to spread LIES about Cayetano. Remember John White's comment, We will do what ever it takes to make sure Cayetano is not elected.
on November 7,2012 | 12:25AM
st1d wrote:
such a bitter concession speech from a man that is even smaller now than when he started the mayor's race.

i expect that when he wakes up in the morning and considers the consequences of a civil lawsuit that will allow questions into pay for play policies that were in place within his administration he will prudently drop his lawsuit. any light shed upon the two clowns he put in place as his airport security chiefs would be embarrassing enough.

honolulu lost nothing and gained everything last night.


on November 6,2012 | 09:24PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
EVERYBODY loses with rail. The needs of the MANY outweigh the NEEDS of a few.
on November 6,2012 | 09:35PM
itoboy wrote:
No, you and your anti-rail people are the only losers. The electorate has been voting for rail for so many elections. Rail should have been built decades ago, but people like you can't handle change. You want this place stuck in time. You and your candidate have not articulated a viable option.
on November 6,2012 | 10:11PM
bobbob wrote:
actually you lose because your boss will stop paying your paycheck to shill on forums.
on November 6,2012 | 10:17PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
When traffic doesn't lessen, don't come crying to me.
on November 6,2012 | 10:42PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I am hoping none of the riders of TheBus voted for Caldwell and thought rail would be better than taking TheBus. If you did, don't let it surprise you to see the quality of TheBus diminish, with routes and stops disappearing along the way. And don't let it surprise you if Wayne Yoshioka holds onto his undeserved title of transportation chief (or if somebody as incompetent and ignorant as Wayne replaces him).
on November 6,2012 | 09:30PM
kapolei wrote:
Anyone have some tissues for LDub20 ?
on November 6,2012 | 09:33PM
bobbob wrote:
or maybe some used recycled toilet paper?
on November 6,2012 | 10:18PM
Santa wrote:
it will be finished in 2019 according to Peter Carlisle ... Rail that is ...
on November 6,2012 | 09:40PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I wouldn't trust his political decisions and predictions. He kept Yoshioka after all.
on November 6,2012 | 09:46PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
I am not a fan of Yoshioka, but don't call him incompetent or ignorant. The guy is very intelligent and very good at what he does -- which is towing the company line.
on November 6,2012 | 10:19PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Good at screwing friends and family members of mine who are bus riders? I am sticking with the fact that he's incompetent.
on November 6,2012 | 10:41PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Forgive the last comment but I just don't trust Yoshioka.
on November 6,2012 | 10:48PM
Anonymous wrote:
Hey, now there's a job for you.... you've displayed your incompetence and ignorance!
on November 7,2012 | 05:10AM
Santa wrote:
Yah! Higher property taxes for everyone!
on November 6,2012 | 09:37PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I hope kapolei loves that. All this for something that benefits the few.
on November 6,2012 | 09:40PM
kapolei wrote:
you may want to turn to the news...Ben L O S T !!! You can stop campaigning...the voting has closed so you can try to convince yourself as much as possible...noy going to change the election results ...cry all you want... you lost...sticks and stones can't tamper the fact that rail will roll on...maybe you can rekindle your argument again in 4 years...but by then it'll be tool late...well too late already...the people have spoken,..and you lost !!! Yipeee !
on November 6,2012 | 09:53PM
Santa wrote:
lets estimate how much it will increase from 2012 to 2019 (when rail is finished)
on November 6,2012 | 09:43PM
kapolei wrote:
Yeah...glad you read Gov Ariyoshi's message of sharing to pay for the overall good and EQUITY for the people on the west side...as I had to pay for the widening of Kalanianaole and don't use it...had to pay for H3 and rarely use it...glad you're willing to have everyone sharing in this cost (incl a significant amt from Fed gov whoch wee would have lost if Ben had his way)...so thanks...guess I'll also not be angy for my tax dollares being spent on food stamps (which I don't use), welfare (which I'm not on) and other programs that benefit the good of society and not my own selfish needs...glad you feel that way as well !!!
on November 6,2012 | 09:47PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
If you had ANY common sense, you'd know that the H3 was inevitable even though most Central Oahu and Leeward residents don't use it and didn't need it when it was under construction. Ever heard of getting Kaneohe Marines to the airport in case of an emergency? H3 exists for the same reason H2 and H1 and exist. They connect military bases to the airport. Rail does NONE of that. I would say the needs of people serving our country outweigh the needs of desperate individuals who cry about traffic, come up with a pipe dream, and neglect it when they realize it won't do much to alleviate traffic.
on November 6,2012 | 09:54PM
kapolei wrote:
Well I have a master's degree from one of the top business schools in the country...I'm postive I have more common sense and knowledge tyhan you...but (like the Wizard of Oz may say I have 1 more thing you don't have)..I have a victory !!! Love to talk some more but I need to get a good night's sleep...good news like a victory always makes me get a good rest...hopefully someone has gotten you some tissues. Try to have a good nights sleep...don't worry there will be another battle you may want to pick up tomorrow...you may want to put your energies to the homeless problem...that may be easier for you to win...or at least take your mind off this loss...you seem a bit bitter.
on November 6,2012 | 10:04PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
You must be an Iolani graduate to have that attitude. "Look I'm better than you because I support the majority's opinion" or "I'm better than you because I'm a graduate of top business school." Learn some humility and don't make yourself look like an Iolani graduate.
on November 6,2012 | 10:10PM
bobbob wrote:
actually you seem to be the one with the elitist attitude.
on November 6,2012 | 10:34PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
You'd say that about kapolei if he were an anti-rail advocate.
on November 6,2012 | 10:43PM
Wazdat wrote:
Agree. And that is the PROBLEM. Most of the voters who voted for Kirk have NO COMMON SENSE.
on November 7,2012 | 01:20AM
Santa wrote:
See you must be happy to payer higher taxes too!
on November 6,2012 | 10:21PM
ChaelSonnen wrote:
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on November 6,2012 | 09:54PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I'm selfish? The people who want an instant end to traffic are selfish and desperate. You really think rail will instantly alleviate traffic AND continue to do that once it grows old? If you are one that's willing to give up the comfort of your control (which a car gives you), you support rail. I doubt many will. I doubt you pro-railers honestly intend to do what you say you'll do once rail is finished. I ain't predicting the future, just believing that it's absurd that people that CAN afford gas today would be willing to give up the comfort of their control. None of the reasons for rail swayed me and boggles my mind that it swayed the majority. Then again, the majority must be desperate and ignorant to believe that this can solve a lot of problems in spite of COSTS, NOISE pollution, being an eyesore and stain on the island's beauty, and benefiting the FEW. Your only reasoning for pro-rail was jobs (which'll go to mainlanders anyway) and DESPERATION.
on November 6,2012 | 10:02PM
ChaelSonnen wrote:
U mad? LOL
on November 6,2012 | 10:03PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Not as mad as you. You gotta be to think of me as selfish.
on November 6,2012 | 10:10PM
ChaelSonnen wrote:
You replied on every comment here! It's so adorable!! LOL
on November 6,2012 | 10:19PM
itoboy wrote:
And what was FAST's reasoning? To be more like LA? And if you "ain't predicting the future," then why do you insist on shooting down rail before it's even built.
on November 6,2012 | 10:15PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I must not think the way you do. I guess most pro-railers would rather do without the control that driving a car gives them. The need to shoot down rail outweighs the need to go forward with it.
on November 6,2012 | 10:20PM
Jonas wrote:
@Ldub - seriously, you seem to be repeating two lines here. about traffic and the control of driving a car. we have discussed traffic already, and you do realize that people who take the bus everyday also are giving up the wondrous feeling of control they get with a car, right?
on November 6,2012 | 10:53PM
ChaelSonnen wrote:
LOL where is "Malama ka Aina" tonight? Probably on suicide watch...or probably still at Ben's defeat party.
on November 6,2012 | 10:00PM
itoboy wrote:
Crying, moaning, and being sour grapes along with Pakeheat. . . . Ldub should join them.
on November 6,2012 | 10:18PM
bobbob wrote:
filling out unemployment forms. shilling aint worthwhile if you aren't getting paid
on November 6,2012 | 10:23PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Another wooden stake in the Ben...sorry, I couldn't help myself.
on November 6,2012 | 10:29PM
Poidogs wrote:
LOL!!! I was thinking the same thing. Also missing our other favorites: Maneki Neko, Old Diver, and Hybrid 1! They might all be ramming stakes into their HARTs.
on November 6,2012 | 10:30PM
hikine wrote:
I was in Japan and their rail system rocks! Rail is one good way of alleviating traffic to and from Kapolei. Hopefully we can do it cheaper and better now that Caldwell won. The rail management team jumped the gun and overspent on useless studies while ignoring the Hawaii Burial Council. Cayetano's plan was to add more buses and overhead freeways and byways while maintaining the same road capacity on the street level, it's like an hour glass where there's going to be a bottleneck when these planned roadways merge.
on November 6,2012 | 10:04PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Japan ain't Hawaii bro. This could be apples and oranges.
on November 6,2012 | 10:08PM
ChaelSonnen wrote:
I can't believe you replied on every single person's comment. Seriously. You need to do something else because this is bad for your health, buddy. Skimming a few of your comments, you get soooo angry. No one is even going to read your reply at this point LOL. You know why? You lost. If you don't like it move.
on November 6,2012 | 10:17PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Is your name Rex Kamakana?
on November 6,2012 | 10:26PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Is your name Rex Kamakana?
on November 6,2012 | 10:30PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
Those who want rail should pay for it..this means the people who will ride it pays what it really costs. There are too many that do not support rail.
on November 6,2012 | 10:04PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
We need more people to think like you.
on November 6,2012 | 10:08PM
itoboy wrote:
And those who don't want rail should pay for all of our roads. What a deal!
on November 6,2012 | 10:17PM
Jonas wrote:
LOL
on November 6,2012 | 10:55PM
lajekal wrote:
it didn't show in the voting? this is the second election that rail won by the majority...
on November 6,2012 | 10:19PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Bush also won two elections (if you count the first a win). Did that prove that winning by the majority gives us the best results?
on November 6,2012 | 10:30PM
bobbob wrote:
that would be like saying those who want to send their kids to public school or use any public resources should pay for it directly. I know I don't use most of the crap that my tax dollars pay for. Somewhat disappointed that a dedicated teacher would take such a dedicated narrow viewpoint.
on November 6,2012 | 10:20PM
bobbob wrote:
caldwell is for the people. some of you shills seem to forget that cayetano is one of the original members of the old boy network and paid off by the unions. His bungling as governor is why we voted in a no name republican from maui.
on November 6,2012 | 10:13PM
Santa wrote:
did you check Caldwell's donors?
on November 6,2012 | 10:20PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
It's over, Santa. Go home to your elves.
on November 6,2012 | 10:31PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
IIRC, Cayetano beat Lingle and served out his two years.
on November 6,2012 | 10:21PM
Kapaho wrote:
As usual, Cayetano was a sore loser. Wasn't Oahu in favor of the rail during a past election? I don't live on Oahu but rail would be a better alternative then trying to improve the bus system. If Rene Mansho didn't vote against the rail the first time, Oahu would be already be using a rail system.
on November 6,2012 | 10:19PM
sanababeets wrote:
Thank you. And it wouldve been federally funded. When rail is finally done and in use people will look back and say, how did we ever survive WITHOUT it. Just like with every other gadget, system, app, smartphone, gps, etc. that we have now. Everyone complaining will be dead by the time its built so JUST DO IT ALREADY!
on November 7,2012 | 07:17AM
bobbob wrote:
surprised such a dedicated teacher would take such a narrow viewpoint. I dont have kids that utilize the public school system, nor do I use most of the services that the city provides. Why should I pay for it? That's essentially your POV.
on November 6,2012 | 10:21PM
Jonas wrote:
@bobbob - excellent point.
on November 6,2012 | 10:56PM
Kapaho wrote:
If not rail, what then? Improve the bus system? That will still cause traffic congestion.
on November 6,2012 | 10:35PM
NITRO08 wrote:
ANOTHER NAIL IN THE ANTI RAIL IDIOTS AND SORE LOSER CASE! ALL I SAW TONIGHT WAS A SORE LOSER CRYING INSTEAD OF LOSING WITH DIGNITY!
on November 6,2012 | 10:37PM
drunkpile wrote:
Yes, that was a disgraceful display. But it was entertaining to watch him make an arse of himself.
on November 6,2012 | 11:44PM
niimi wrote:
Choooooo Chooooo! Woohoo!
on November 6,2012 | 10:43PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Finally.
on November 6,2012 | 11:10PM
kalanik001 wrote:
Yippee, Caldwell won. Now lets see if the "3 million dollar man" can deliver. I doubt it, but we must give him a chance to back up his claims or be exposed as a farce. As for rail, it wont alleviate traffic/congestion. The city acknowledges this fact. We have exceeded the capacity of what our roads were engineered for. The only way to remedy this is to expand our current infrastructure. Extending the airport viaduct to downtown for example. Think traffic is horrendous now, wait until rail construction hits farrington hwy, kam hwy in pc/aiea, dillingham blvd. Minimum two to three lanes lost on these major arteries through honolulu. Rail columns are 8-10 ft wide, add in the median, end result even less room on already overcrowd ed roadways.
on November 6,2012 | 11:38PM
chariie1 wrote:
Haha too funny traffic still will get worst pot holes will be everywhere environment and parks will be junk and the unions will push for more politicians to drink the Kool aide. Now its time to scrutinize the whole process and start to really look at what they want to do and give em hell every step of the way because rail is far from over and if there is more dissent no matter city council will have more money issues then they will know how to handle. Caldwell is a Yes man and yes man will only last for so long.
on November 7,2012 | 12:25AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Interesting. Altho not a done deal yet, rail looks like it's going to move forward. And the other building blocks of Koa Ridge and Hoopili are going to fall in place and add to traffic and loss of prime ag land. The population boom on Oahu will have negative consequences in the future and no one sees beyond their noses.
on November 7,2012 | 06:04AM
kaleboy wrote:
Remember all who want rail, if it doesnt work out, dont blame anyone but yourselves. How are we going to pay for it's up keep and rising cost? Please don't tell me govt will raise taxes. We are already one of the highest taxed state.
on November 7,2012 | 08:50AM
concerned1 wrote:
I cannot believe Caldwell won. He is a lackluster leader, a Democratic puppet. How can we afford rail at multi billions when we can't even afford to pay for TheBus at a few millions-remember cut in routes to save money? Was that All part ofa pro-rail agenda? We'll, majority voted, now we all must pay and pay we will. You think the GET or the federal funding will suffice? First thing to hit as always, property taxes, vehicle weight tax and an increase in GET. God bless our beautiful overpopulated island.
on November 7,2012 | 03:05PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Caldwell winning means Yoshioka will keep his job--which is the worst thing that could possibly happen. If bus riders voted for him, don't come crying when he keeps intending to do nothing to improve the bus system. His whole agenda is to screw TheBus system so he can sway bus riders to support rail.
on November 7,2012 | 03:23PM
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