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Pro-rail PAC, ad blitz target race's 'anti-rail messenger'

By B.J. Reyes

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LAST UPDATED: 07:38 p.m. HST, Jun 22, 2012


A new political action committee and ad blitz attacking former Gov. Ben Cayetano is not overly negative, an analyst says, but signifies that efforts touting the positive aspects of rail are not having the desired effect on his mayoral campaign centered on killing the project.

The new PAC, ReadBensRecord.com, was launched Tuesday by the Pacific Resource Partnership, an advocacy group for contractors and unionized carpenters and construction workers that has tried to make an issue of illegal campaign contributions made to Cayetano's campaign for governor.

Cayetano dismissed the PAC as a desperate move by an interest group worried about losing the $5.27 billion rail project.

"The way that you get at the anti-rail message is to get at the anti-rail messenger," said Neal Milner, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii. "You get at the anti-rail messenger by saying that he's like a lot of other politicians that you can't trust and that he's just one of those kinds of folks.

"I think what they've decided is you can't just deal with anti-rail by being pro-rail about ridership and all of those other things. It's important that you have to really decide that the candidate himself needs to be attacked."

Cayetano, the lone anti-rail candidate, has led in most polls in the race against incumbent Mayor Peter Carlisle and former city Managing Director Kirk Caldwell.

PRP's new website and ads urge voters to look at public documents detailing campaign contributions to Cayetano's last gubernatorial campaign in 1998 that were later found by the Campaign Spending Commission to have been donated under false names. In those situations, the commission goes after the donor and orders the campaign to forfeit the money to the state.

Officials have said Cayetano repaid about $8,000 but closed his gubernatorial campaign still owing about $530,000. Once the campaign is closed, the commission can no longer pursue the money because it is not considered a debt or a fine.

Cayetano did nothing illegal. But PRP says he exploited a loophole to avoid repaying the money.

John White, executive director of PRP, stood by the ads, saying everything posted online is a matter of public record.

"Gov. Cayetano is the front-runner for mayor," White said. "If he becomes mayor, he's going to have an ability to award many, many contracts. I think it's fair to look back at his record at an area that is questionable. This is certainly one of those areas."

Cayetano called PRP "amateurs," and accused White of dirty tactics and a smear campaign against him. Campaign donations typically are spent in good faith as the money comes in, he explained, and neither he nor his campaign knew that the donations were made illegally until months or sometimes years after the money had been used.

"PRP would like people to feel that we knew because they're so damn desperate," Cayetano said. "They're worried about losing this election. … There's no obligation — moral or otherwise — to pay something back that you did not know was illegal."

Milner said he did not expect the strategy to backfire and turn negative against PRP or either pro-rail candidate, but he also does not expect the website and ads alone to turn the tide against Cayetano.

"I think it might leak a few votes away from Cayetano," Milner said. "Or, as these ads often do, it could get people who were going to vote for Cayetano not to vote at all."

Carlisle said he did not know what effect the PRP-Cayetano fight was having on the race, but he backed PRP's questions about the campaign contributions.

"That's a fair inquiry when there is clear and unequivocal evidence that there had been illegal campaign contributions, which I don't think former Gov. Cayetano disputes … he just says he didn't know about it," said Carlisle, a former prosecutor. "According to the law, you have to then be able to back up what you knew or didn't know or should have known with a series of facts."

Caldwell did not return messages seeking comment.






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what wrote:
This Pro Rail PAC is the enemy of the taxpayers of Oahu. This PAC is only interested in preserving their gravy train of billions in taxpayer money that rail will bring them. They are so desperate, they are making a lame attempt to smear Cayetano with irrelevant attacks.
on June 20,2012 | 01:41AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
IN BEN WE TRUST!
on June 20,2012 | 01:57AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Some people are up early in the morning. I was replying to some comments on this story which was online yesterday. I would say this: if the rail really needs to be built then why would the advocates of rail just present their facts saying how great their project is, instead of attacking those that feel that rail is a good idea, except for the economic turmoil that building the rail would cause? I think expanding the bus system to include rail is a great idea however it is a big risk considering how much money we need to pour into it, and keep on pouring into it, some of it going to Italy, to have it built.
on June 20,2012 | 02:26AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Pro-rail folks are desperate and shooting blanks. That's because they have nothing concrete to stand on -- only lies and coloring books.
on June 20,2012 | 03:45AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
They could be touting the fact that the first of 700 concrete pillars reminds Carlisle of the Mona Lisa, so it could be a real tourist attraction -- more than just a modern day stone henge.
on June 20,2012 | 06:28AM
OldDiver wrote:
Hmmm, Ben Cayetano admits he played the pay for play extortion game to raise campaign cash.. But Ben also claims because he already spent the money he is in the clear. Hmmm..........
on June 20,2012 | 08:50PM
Kuniarr wrote:
OD, why do you makeup a story like that?
on June 20,2012 | 09:36PM
bender wrote:
And concrete pillars of course.
on June 20,2012 | 06:57AM
Imagen wrote:
And don't forget those very pretty pictures in their "marketing" brochures.
on June 20,2012 | 10:48AM
Wazdat wrote:
Like...The pro railer's are getting scared...LOVE IT
on June 20,2012 | 04:26AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
If I could like myself, I would. Neva mind, I like, lol.
on June 20,2012 | 06:18AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Scared? They've pulled out the big guns (supposedly Ron White...who's that) only to find that they're spitting bbs...auwe. No can. Go Ben Go
on June 20,2012 | 09:46AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Anti-railers have decided their best chance of killing rail is to elect Ben Cayetano mayor. That makes their candidate's history and reputation a reasonable subject of discussion...doesn't it?
on June 20,2012 | 04:46AM
luvshawaii wrote:
No. It sends the message that the people are tired of being robbed just so folks, such as yourself, can make a lot of money off of us hard working stiffs. Enough is enough! I'm voting for Ben because this is about our survival.
on June 20,2012 | 04:57AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Your us vs you BS is getting pretty tired. I'm just another taxpayer who happens to have a different opinion on rail...why can't you deal with that?
on June 20,2012 | 06:25AM
bender wrote:
It's not BS. And BTW, you never showed up in this forum until the Imua people got together. I suspect you are being paid by them. Your "concerned taxpayer" ploy is just a cover. We know your history.
on June 20,2012 | 06:59AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Cripes, Rollman, for someone who has made his (bad) reputation with attacks on political figures it is really hypocritical for you to espouse fairness. I can only assume it is the PRP weasels who found something for you to do.
on June 20,2012 | 09:55AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Carlisle claims that rail result in taking off 40,000 vehicle trips daily from the road. Yes, 40,000 seems like a big number but Carlisle did not tell you that the city itself predicts that by 2030 there will approximately 4 million vehicle trips on the road. 40,000 is just 1% of the total vehicle trips. Is it worth spending $5.27 billion to reduce vehicle trips by only 1%?" ....The big question is : ...."Today's traffic is congested. What are your (Carlisle & Caldwell) plans to remove the remaining 99 percent (vehicle trips), mainly at the bottlenecks at the H-1/H- merge, the Middle St. merge and the pm Halawa merge?" ( The BRT will eliminate the H-1 bottlenecks with 200 express buses using the express lanes. (Feds fund 80% for new bus purchases
on June 20,2012 | 09:59AM
Kuniarr wrote:
No, KR. You are by logic not just another taxpayer who happens t have a different opinion. You are by logic either one who does not live in this island or has something to gain financially for championing rail.
on June 20,2012 | 10:06AM
MKN wrote:
@Keith_Rollman: You mean a paid opinion on rail? LOL! Come on dude, we all know that you're being paid to blog your support for rail on these forums. Just like the folks over at PRP. We know the unions pay them to do their bidding just like the HART folks are paying you.
on June 20,2012 | 10:54AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope Cayetano is fair game for his lapse in judgement on not returning the $500,000.
on June 20,2012 | 11:19AM
jkjones wrote:
I FIND IT LAUGHABLE THAT A RAIL MERCENARY LIKE YOU WHO SERVED UNDER MUFI WOULD CALL OUT OTHERS AS BEING "PRETTY TIRED". LET'S BE BRUTALLY HONEST,"'ROLLMAN"--YOU ARE EMBARRASSING YOURSELF!
on June 20,2012 | 12:35PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Wiliki, don't give us your "Cayetano is fair game" because you and Keith_Rollman are hired guns for rail.
on June 20,2012 | 02:10PM
wiliki wrote:
LOLOLOLOL....
on June 20,2012 | 05:09PM
OB1NONO_ME wrote:
Go play with your atomic monkey you troll.
on June 20,2012 | 06:03PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Yes, Ben Cayetano will emerge as Mayor, the champion of the people in this multi-billion battle between The City (Carlisle, HART, et al) and we the people. Ben is our only hope at this point, now that we know where Peter and Kirk stand,and with whom they stand.
on June 20,2012 | 06:31AM
jkjones wrote:
WELL STATED MR HAUGEN.
on June 20,2012 | 12:37PM
allie wrote:
No politician out here is entirely clean
on June 20,2012 | 06:27AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
You're right on that one, allie. So as voters, we are left to choose between the lesser of two evils.
on June 20,2012 | 07:00AM
allie wrote:
agree totally
on June 20,2012 | 08:35AM
wiliki wrote:
I disagree.... On many issues like rail. There's a right and wrong. The voter needs to decide.
on June 20,2012 | 11:20AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Of course, wiliki, you always disagree on anything that has something to with anti-rail.
on June 20,2012 | 02:11PM
atilter wrote:
wiliki - i (for once) agree with your disagreement - actually your assessment - that the voters will MOST CERTAINLY DECIDE. i have a very strong incling as to what the outcome will be (and i think you do too.)
on June 20,2012 | 02:42PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Keith R... now tell readers that what you are accusing Ben of doing is NOT ILLEGAL. Unlike the pro-rail faction, which has been violating laws and may be held accountable (no wonder they are running scared), Ben knows what he is doing.
on June 20,2012 | 06:29AM
loquaciousone wrote:
You wouldn't be the Keith Rollman who works for the City as a Senior Advisor would you?
on June 20,2012 | 07:17AM
allie wrote:
yup...he has a financial interest in his postings
on June 20,2012 | 08:35AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Used to be. Got caught using City computers for personal political reasons. It was humiliating. Even got repudiated by his boss Mufi for that whole embarrassing Atomic Monkey thing. You can Google and read all about it.
on June 20,2012 | 09:56AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Now I remember.....I'm old so my memory works in slow motion....
on June 20,2012 | 10:09AM
allie wrote:
yikes!
on June 20,2012 | 10:26AM
beachbum11 wrote:
LLets have these people tell us the truth about Peter, and Kirk. What about their past? Be fair and put all three on the same scale, not just Ben. John White is a nobody.
on June 20,2012 | 07:19AM
jkjones wrote:
AGREE WITH BEACHBUM, SHOOTING AT THE MESSENGER MISSES THE ISSUE.
on June 20,2012 | 12:38PM
hybrid1 wrote:
“Before Ben got into this mayor’s race, Peter did not care about the rail. He let Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Interim Director Toru Hamayasu run the project. When Hamayasu authorized a $15 million change order, he never told the administration about it. We all learned about it when Kevin Dayton wrote the article about it in the Star Advertiser. And when the city managing director Doug Chin waved the 20 percent debt ceiling for rail, Carlisle never knew about it. So who is the enemy of misinformation?” ....Cayetano added that the rail project has already been sold to the public with the help of $5 million in taxpayer money, 10 public relations firms hired on the taxpayers dime and the editorial endorsement of the Honolulu Star Bulletin and The Honolulu Advertiser before they merged – and the Honolulu Star Advertiser now that they are one............. “If anyone is putting out misinformation, it is Peter," Cayetano said. “Give me a break.”
on June 20,2012 | 01:19PM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
Why would the pro railers attack Ben on something not related to rail? That is the issue isn't it? PRP is desperate. They see their cash cow slipping through their hands.
on June 20,2012 | 08:11AM
jkjones wrote:
CRY, RAIL CRY! GO BEN!
on June 20,2012 | 12:40PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Governor Ben: • Pushed through one of the biggest state personal income tax reductions in the nation at the time • Reduced the size and growth of state government to less than the inflation rate • Established the Hawai‘i Tourism Authority • Implemented civil service reform • Built a record number of public schools • Built a record number of homes for Native Hawaiian homesteaders • Developed the Hawai‘i Convention Center to boost tourism • Started the Hawai‘i State Art Museum • Began construction of the new John A. Burns School of Medicine and research center for the University of Hawai‘i • Kept his promise to make public education his highest priority by sparing schools from budget cuts at the expense of other state departments • Ordered the State Attorney General to investigate the Bishop Estate, an $11 billion trust fund set up for the benefit and education of Hawaiian children • When Hawaii’s economy rebounded in 1999, Ben promoted growth in new areas to further diversify the economy • Created the nation’s first state-funded after-school Plus (A )in 1989.
on June 20,2012 | 09:58AM
wiliki wrote:
Governor Ben owns the state $500,000. He's a deadbeat.
on June 20,2012 | 11:22AM
pakeheat wrote:
So why doesn't the State go after him to pay up, or be arrested?
on June 20,2012 | 12:35PM
Kuniarr wrote:
What are you talking about, wiliki? The state has already ruled that Governor Ben owes the State nothing.
on June 20,2012 | 06:55PM
Kuniarr wrote:
A politician who receives a donation of $10,000 on June 20, 2012 and spends $9,950 of that donation for print advertising when told by the CSC on July 21 that the politician has to escheat $10,000 - does not mean "to return or pay the CSC $10,000" but to "return or pay the CSC only whatever is left unspent and only whatever is left unspent of the $10,000. In which case only $50. That is what "to escheat $10,000" means. Not to return or pay back the entire $10,000.
on June 20,2012 | 10:02AM
aiea7 wrote:
Waipahu, as a governor, he should exibit higher moral standards than the normal citizen. knowing that he received illegal campaing contributions of over $500,000, he should have done the morally right thing and raise funds to pay of the debt. to hide behind the loop hole is a sign of moral degredation, showing no respect for the rule and laws. most upstanding and honorable leaders would have done the right thing. by steering state building contracts to his contractor friends, and they made illegal campaing contributions to him and using them for his campaign or whatever, he essentially stole from the state for his own personal purposes. is this kind of behavior that a governor should exhibit? no shame, no class.
on June 20,2012 | 02:28PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Escheat does not connote an illegal or immoral act. Character assassination based upon the word "escheat" is immoral, unethical and libelous.
on June 20,2012 | 06:48PM
jomama wrote:
Ben won't serve out his term and will put in whoever he wants. not democratic
on June 20,2012 | 07:22AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Gov. Benjamin Cayetano said the city's Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Board of Directors, who were appointed to oversee the construction and maintenance of the city's $5.3 billion planned 20-mile elevated steel on steel rail system, "had better get a lawyer if he is elected mayor" this fall, "because he will go after them for malfeasance."....................... HART's 10-member volunteer board is approving contract awards for more money than they've collected from city taxpayers, Cayetano said, and before they know whether the city will be issued a Full Funding Grant Agreement by the federal government for $1.55 billion
on June 20,2012 | 10:01AM
AirRescueFF wrote:
In line with that...

""Gov. Cayetano is the front-runner for mayor," White said. "If he becomes mayor, he's going to have an ability to award many, many contracts. I think it's fair to look back at his record at an area that is questionable. This is certainly one of those areas."

What a hypocritical statement, given he's the head of the PRP.

http://www.prp-hawaii.com/About-PRP.aspx

http://www.prp-hawaii.com/John-White.aspx


on June 20,2012 | 03:49AM
koolau wrote:
G--o-l-l-e-e-e-y (as our friend Gomer would say), and White doesn't think contracts are going to be issued to "preferred" pro-rail companies IF one Carlise or Cadwell wins? AirRescueFF above, is being kind by stating White is being hypocrical. I think he's just being cautious so his comment doesn't get edited out.
on June 20,2012 | 04:44AM
beachbum11 wrote:
And what is John White's record? What is Peter's record? And what is Kirks record" Did't Kirk have problems when he was in the legislature? One side. GO BEN GO. Ben Would Go
on June 20,2012 | 07:23AM
hybrid1 wrote:
The real debate should be focused on : "When will Carlisle/Caldwell provide their plan for traffic relief for the bottlenecks at the H-1 merges??? What's their PLAN???? Nothing in their article on rail in the SA mentions traffic relief for the bottlenecks at the H-1 merges. !!. What's their plan???...............The media should notice that both Carlisle and Caldwell did not provide a traffic solution to this FACT: The city's Alternative Analysis, Table 3-12, shows that the traffic overload at the H-1/H-2 merge, the Middle St merge and the pm Halawa merge will increase by over 500% AFTER the $7 Billion (FTA estimate) rail cattle cars are operating...............Ben's BRT will eliminate the H-1 bottleneck merges for less than $100 million (Feds pay 80% for new buses)and will scrap the needless $7 Billion
on June 20,2012 | 10:03AM
autumnrose wrote:
Carlisle-Caldwell plan for solving traffic congestion: Now that city or state own all the land along the 20-mile rail line, under the Public Land Development Corporation, the state will form "public- private partnerships" to build mixed-use, high-density condos around the train stations. The plan of TOD is to make people "live-work-play" around the transit station. Not only will they not need cars, they won't even need the train. Role mode is Pflueger Honda building downtown: live upstairs, take elevator down to your job at the dealership. The Symphony condo tower in Kakaako is the same with an auto dealership downstairs. Ironic, huh? Question: If the state/city could not make people live-work-play in Kapolei and not commute, will TODs work out any better?
on June 20,2012 | 01:31PM
hawaiinui wrote:
Speaking of awarding contracts. One would have to consider the huge pay check being made to Carlson Communications which produces Pro-rail propaganda: Take a look at One could easily summize that Doug Carlson is making a pile of kala through HART (Carlson Communications - $351,538 over 24 months) and using that money to convince us taxpayers...HIS EMPLOYER (by the way) that we should have rail at all cost.
on June 20,2012 | 09:38AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Go to this site for Carlson slants: yes2rail.blogspot.com
on June 20,2012 | 09:59AM
autumnrose wrote:
Just one of MANY PR firms hired by HART. This is what he says about himself on Carlson Communications website: "Doug Carlson ... has been a member of the Honolulu rail transit project's Public Involvement Team since 2007 and writes the Yes2Rail blog from his Sacramento, CA base."
on June 20,2012 | 01:41PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Cayetano said that the rail project has already been sold to the public with the help of $5 million in taxpayer money, 10 public relations firms hired on the taxpayers dime and the editorial endorsement of the Honolulu Star Bulletin and The Honolulu Advertiser before they merged – and the Honolulu Star Advertiser now that they are one........................... “If anyone is putting out misinformation, it is Peter," Cayetano said. “Give me a break.”
on June 20,2012 | 01:23PM
PCWarrior wrote:
The city - Grabourmoneycuz and Little Bo Petey - both said they are into transparency with rail. Please tell us taxpayers exactly who is on the pr payroll and how much these pr BSers are getting paid with OUR MONEY!
on June 20,2012 | 01:26PM
jkjones wrote:
PRP HAS THIS FALSE NOTION THAT IF THEY DISCREDIT BEN, THEY WILL BE ABSOLVED OF THEIR SINS. VOTERS ARENT THAT STUPID AND I BELIEVE JOHN WHITE UNDERESTIMATES HONOLULU'S TAX PAYERS ABILITY TO SORT OUT THE TRUTH....
on June 20,2012 | 12:46PM
hybrid1 wrote:
1 First the train was going to take cars off the road. Everyone would ride the train, and it would be fast. Also, with less cars on the roads, traffic would flow faster.................... 2 Then it was discovered that the train would not be that fast. (Not that quiet either) And it seems that everyone who is pro rail wants the other guy to ride the train, so they can continue to drive........................ 3 Costs keep escalating, but we dare not talk about it - someone might use it as an excuse to delay or cancel the rail! Can't have that........................ 4 The pro rail people stopped talking about the benefits to traffic (the only reason to build the rail), and started talking about how many jobs it will bring!!! Hawaii needs these jobs. Are you against more jobs???................... 5 Turns out, most of the jobs are going to foreign companies and out of state workers... but a few will go to locals, so the unions signed on to support the train!!! whooppie!.................................. 6 HART (Honolulu Area Rapid Transit) has expensive, plush downtown offices, with top of the line anything, and lots of over-paid staff ("experts")................. 7 The state of Hawaii is now spending taxpayer money to advertise the benefits of rail... they are trying to influence your opinion with your money............................ 8 We don't dare ask where the money will come from when HART talks about starting construction. When someone does ask, the city and HART lock arms, and say "bonds". Ok, so how will we pay back the bonds? "we will deal with that later" "DON'T RUIN THE MOOD"
on June 20,2012 | 01:25PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Carlisle told the workers: “We need you not only to be the army that builds this project, we need you to be the army that sells this project to everybody you know."................. Carlisle added: "If we have that kind of army, that will defeat the enemy in a heartbeat.................” Was he calling Cayetano “the enemy” or were all rail opponents tagged with that label?.................. Carlisle is “prone to making stupid statements,” Cayetano said
on June 20,2012 | 01:21PM
ammb3 wrote:
The SA shouldve interveiwed someone from the Campaign Spending Commission to settle this nonsense once and for all. They ruled YEARS ago in FAVOR of Cayetano. If he did anything wrong, dont you think he wouldve been in jail by now? Wouldnt they have done something 14 years ago? PRP (Pro Rail Propoganda) is at it again, desperate acts from desperate people. How can John Whit sleep at night? His parents must be ashamed of his actions.
on June 20,2012 | 05:03AM
ammb3 wrote:
SA did interview an 'official'.
on June 20,2012 | 05:10AM
wiliki wrote:
It's pretty clear that he did something wrong. It's made worse by him closing the campaign fund.
on June 20,2012 | 11:25AM
hybrid1 wrote:
We, the taxpayers and residents of Oahu are being lied to. The current establishment wants the rail project for the money THEY can make off of kickbacks, contracts, and bribes. That is why they are smearing Ben Cayetano, and forecasting what a disaster it will be if he is elected, and cancels the rail project.................... - And yet, they sign contracts, obligating the city and taxpayers to huge penalties when cancelled........................... - They are proceeding w/o permits, so that they can be so far into construction, that we will just go along...
on June 20,2012 | 01:27PM
wiliki wrote:
No lie... It's all well documented.
on June 20,2012 | 05:06PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Of course to you, wiliki, nothing stinks in rail.
on June 20,2012 | 10:44PM
autumnrose wrote:
“Mayor’s backers get big rail jobs: Hannemann defends millions doled out so far to his campaign donors ” Star-Bulletin, Laurie Au, April 18, 2008, http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/04/18/news/story01.html “Nearly a third of the subcontractors have at some point contributed to Hannemann's campaign since 2000, campaign records show. … Five companies or individuals -- Dahl Consulting, Gary Omori LLC, former City Councilman John DeSoto, Lychee Productions and Pat Lee & Associates -- working on public involvement are getting paid $1.5 million of an $86 million contract.”
on June 20,2012 | 01:44PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Cayetano did not do something wrong and all this smear campaign is based on a false and wrong interpretation of the word "escheat" which is a legal term that does not have a technical English synomym. The closes interpretation of to "escheat" is to forfeit whatever it is that exist. Thus to "escheat" $500,000 does not mean "forfeit $500,000" but to "forfeit whatever is left of that $500,000"..
on June 20,2012 | 02:16PM
bstnwhaler wrote:
I agree with what. These gravy train crooks can attack Gov. Ben all they want and waste all of the ill gotten money from us because no matter how much they attack, I'm still voting for Ben. Go Ben Go!
on June 20,2012 | 05:57AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
They know that Cayetano did nothing illegal, but they have nothing positive to say about rail, so they are trying to smear the leader in the polls. When Cayetano becomes Mayor,PRP and others in the pro-rail PAC will lose billions of dollars in profits, so they don't care at all about us. It's all about money in their pockets. Meanwhile,they continue to run the misleading ads about Honolulu's raking in traffic tieups, saying ours is the worst when polls show we rank 50th among major US cities, and most of the cities with worse commute time than Honolulu have railroads.
on June 20,2012 | 06:26AM
allie wrote:
True but the rich developers and union supporters want to sink Ben through huge dollars. They know the rail, paid for by the tax payers, will bring them more riches.
on June 20,2012 | 06:26AM
atilter wrote:
this is the same money and type of campaign that WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AGAINST WALKER IN WISCONSIN. we all know how that turned out.
on June 20,2012 | 02:47PM
Highinthesierras wrote:
Ben is the only politician with b---s. UNIONS and their flunkies are behind the PAC. Note Feds, always not to be trusted, are backing out on commitment, and when KING George III loses Hawaii will need to become much more self sufficient .
on June 20,2012 | 06:44AM
kainalu wrote:
The conservative Supreme Court ruled that any amount of outside money can be poured into campaigns. It's been speculated that there will be more money by these outside influences to buy "air time" than there will actually be air-time available. Otherwise, a clear indication of who really is running this country hence, this world - MONEY! Money is going to buy this next election, because Americans generally, are too stupid to figure it out for themselves.
on June 20,2012 | 06:44AM
Charliegrunt wrote:
Well, "turn around is fair play"! As I've suggested in several previous comments, why haven't there been audits and subpoenas of the financial records of Mufi, Caldwell, Carlisle and all the other pro-rail politicians? As for the Pro-Rail Pac, it was found that Ben did nothing illegal. Now, one more time, what about Nestor Garcia being paid $60K a a year for doing nothing except voting for the rail? GO BEN GO! Mr. White, wake up! Why point fingers at nothing when it only makes us focus more on the lack of openness and honesty in your pro-rail tactics? It will take some of you politicians awhile to get the message, but your association with rail taints you with suspicion of waste, fraud and abuse.
on June 20,2012 | 07:22AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Nesor is a clown and got is palm greased again with a $30K consultant contract with insider Tom Enomoto (the RME for Ansaldo....Ansaldo the RAIL award winning company that didn't have a State Contrctor License to do business in Hawaii.
on June 20,2012 | 10:03AM
LanaAloha wrote:
Yes for example, does it seem a tad corrupt that Mufi pushed the rail through and then was tallying up campaign donations from rail contractors? I agree all the records should be public. They're going after Ben looks so desperate. Convince people with facts, not slander.
on June 20,2012 | 10:35AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Carlisle administration. Contrary to the propaganda (paid with public money) the Mayors' people and HART have been spreading, Honolulu voters have found out that: ...................... 1. Rail will not solve anyone's traffic-congestion problem......................... 2. Rail will not spur growth--except in the bank accounts of a chosen few (e.g. Parsons Brinckerhoff, Kiewit, Ansaldo, FHB, Nestor Garcia, etc.)............................ 3. Rail will not create many LOCAL jobs. Local union workers who are currently employed for the Rail project will not likely ever get a Rail job; they've hired all the local workers they will need. , and................................ Rail will hurt Honolulu's future. It's diverting much of the City's funds and credit needed for essential services and projects, including sewer, water-main, road-repair, TheBus & Handi-Van, trash-disposal, city-parks, homeless, and other such projects
on June 20,2012 | 01:30PM
postmanx wrote:
Didn't Mazi Horono have some sort of campaign finance scandal back when she was running for Governor except they, (the proverbial powers that be) laid it all on Harris? The Pro Rail PAC may want to be careful lest they dig too deep and hand over the senate seat to Lingle to easily.
on June 20,2012 | 07:54AM
wiliki wrote:
Pretty far fetched claim.... Unions contributed mainly to Hirono. She's not to well liked by business because she is a consumer advocate.
on June 20,2012 | 11:28AM
Changalang wrote:
Mazie owes money by the same standard the henchman here are trying to put it on Ben; exactly the same.
on June 20,2012 | 01:00PM
wiliki wrote:
That's a hard sell to me.
on June 20,2012 | 05:04PM
Changalang wrote:
" Congresswoman Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii Hirono’s gubernatorial campaign owed $164,265 to the Commission, she paid $95,073.58, and still has a balance of $69,191.42 "......................................What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
on June 20,2012 | 07:39PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Wiliki, why "hard sell to me"? Your basis for maligning the character of Cayetano is the very same thing that applies to Mazie.
on June 20,2012 | 10:00PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Kulaboy wrote: What is the thing I object to the most about this project?........... That reducing congestion is not one of it's objectives and that it does not reduce congestion?.............. That alternatives were ignored when the alternatives analysis was done (BRT on managed lanes, at grade rail)? .....................That it will destroy the view of Honolulu Harbor from downtown? .......................That it will force Honolulu to take money from TheBus and cut back bus routes other than those feeding the rail, and make low income people less mobile? ...................That our kids and grandkids will be burried in debt for the rest of their lives? ......................That local workers have been brainwashed into believing there will be a plethora of jobs they are qualified to do?............. That the city spent 5 million dollars brainwashing the public to sell us on it? ...........All of these are objectionable, but the number one issue is that this project is nothing but a corrupt money laundering scheme, designed to line the pockets of some individuals at the expense of the general public, with those individuals feeding the hungry appetite of the corrupt politicians who need their money to get re elected................... And the media who prey on the advertising dollars of those very individuals and politicians. Thank you Ben for stepping up to save Honolulu
on June 20,2012 | 01:32PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Really, wiliki, you see Cayetano escheating left-over so-called "illegal contributions" but you are blind when it comes to Hirono escheating left-over so-called "illegal contributions".
on June 20,2012 | 10:47PM
OB1NONO_ME wrote:
If you check John White's resume closely - you'll find he once worked for Mazie....
on June 20,2012 | 06:11PM
Changalang wrote:
Mazie still owes $69,191.42 via the same claim John White of PRP is making.
on June 20,2012 | 07:40PM
jkjones wrote:
THE PROFESSIONAL SHILLS KNOW THE DANCE--WHEN YOU CANT DEFEND THE SUBSTANCE OF YOUR PROGRAM, YOU TURN TO SMEAR AND FEAR TACTICS AGAINST YOUR OPPONENT TO OBSFICATE ISSUES. REALLY, HYPOCRITICAL LOGIC, SINCE THE RAIL PROJECT HAS BEEN LOADED WITH EVIDENCE OF CRONYISM, NON-TRANSPARENCY, LIES, SHADY DEALS AND ENOUGH GOVERNMENTAL INCOMPETENCE TO SINK A BATTLESHIP. IF THIS IS PRP'S BEST SHOT--IT IS A LAUGHER AND WILL BACKFIRE. TAX PAYERS ARE FED -UP WITH FRENZIED, MINDLESS SPENDING. BOTTOMLINE, VOTERS WILL BE CHECKING THEIR WALLETS ON ELECTION DAY AND PRP IS SPINNING ANOTHER CHECK WITH INSUFFICIENT FUNDS.
on June 20,2012 | 12:27PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Btw u can release ur cap key if your baby finger got jammed on it.
on June 20,2012 | 12:59PM
jusmetwocents wrote:
Go Rail Go... CayetaNO!
on June 20,2012 | 01:55PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
All the good Sheeple wll follow the Pacific Resources BS and vote the way they are told even if the jobs go to others. The PR arm of the carpenter's union will get paid with union dues so they don't really care about what happens to the rank & file.
on June 20,2012 | 02:42PM
mellowyellow11 wrote:
Carlisle is such a bogus, clueless, Aphrodite. Remember when Cayetano accused Carlisle's office of having alot of favoritism in the permitting department, as a lot of insiders and friends were getting their permit application pushed to the top of the stack while others waited for weeks. Well carlisle said during that debate: "If you make those accusations you better be able to back it up buddy." Just the day before i heard 2 people talking at burger king of getting their addition permit approved real quick and was able to start construction in a couple of days. i didnt know what that meant but after that debate i can say carlisle is either clueless or a liar. I think he's both.
on June 21,2012 | 09:06PM
Mach2 wrote:
yup time to kill that stupid rail project..... can't afford that eyesore
on June 20,2012 | 02:00AM
DPK wrote:
We have them on the run now.! They can't sell rail positively, so they resort to peripheral attacks as something to grasp on to. GO BEN GO!
on June 20,2012 | 02:29AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Ben's record is not a "peripheral" issue.
on June 20,2012 | 04:53AM
DPK wrote:
Rollman: perhaps in your eyes. I think it would be more beneficial to understand why Grabauskas, the man that's in charge of this ludicrous project that's already wasted 10% of initial funding, was mysterious let go from his last job.
on June 20,2012 | 06:18AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Electing a mayor should require a thorough examination of the record and performance of any politician running for that office. If you think we should just hold our noses and vote for Ben without asking any questions, you're dreaming.
on June 20,2012 | 06:27AM
bender wrote:
Then you agree that both Carlisle's and Caldwell's records are also fair game. Or is it only Cayetano's record that is open for discussion. You keep beating on Cayetano's history as Governor yet the Campaign Spending Commission didn't find anything wrong. Maybe you're beating a dead horse.
on June 20,2012 | 07:03AM
wiliki wrote:
Especially, Ben's record of the $500,000 bribes should bring to question his integrity as mayor where such behavior has a big effect on govt.
on June 20,2012 | 11:31AM
hybrid1 wrote:
The real debate should be focused on : "When will Carlisle/Caldwell provide their plan for traffic relief for the bottlenecks at the H-1 merges??? What's their PLAN???? Nothing in their article on rail in the SA mentions traffic relief for the bottlenecks at the H-1 merges. !!. What's their plan???...............The media should notice that both Carlisle and Caldwell did not provide a traffic solution to this FACT: The city's Alternative Analysis, Table 3-12, shows that the traffic overload at the H-1/H-2 merge, the Middle St merge and the pm Halawa merge will increase by over 500% AFTER the $7 Billion (FTA estimate) rail cattle cars are operating.....................Ben's BRT will eliminate the H-1 bottleneck merges for less than $100 million (Feds pay 80% for new buses)and will scrap the needless $7 Billion
on June 20,2012 | 01:35PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Wilik, it really is shameless of you to now accuse Cayetano of "bribery" in the amount of $500,000.
on June 20,2012 | 02:18PM
MKN wrote:
@wiliki: If you wanna talk about bribes, let's talk about how the rail project is one big bribe to the unions, HECO, PRP, BNP Paribas (which own's Ansaldo), and their subcontractors (which include the 19 Public Relations companies currently making money off of the rail advertising)! That's a $5.3 Billion bribe if you think about it. LOL!
on June 20,2012 | 02:53PM
wiliki wrote:
Yes bribery.... money that should be returned. That's what the campaign finance guys said.
on June 20,2012 | 05:01PM
pridon wrote:
MKN. Your BNP Paribas comment was interesting. Did nsoldo go under and BNP take it over due to debt. Don Horner, who is on the HART board worked for BNP Paribas when he was head of FHB. If in fact BNP does own or control Ansaldo, then perhaps it was an inside job getting him on the board, so as to protect the position on BNP by keeping the rail going. Conspiracy theory anyone?
on June 20,2012 | 10:53PM
MKN wrote:
@pridon: You're absolutely correct. BNP Paribas is one of the major creditors for Finmeccanica which owns Ansaldo. Since Ansaldo is in bad shape as a company, Finmeccanica is trying to sell off Ansaldo so that it can clean up its balance sheets. The only way to do that is to have Ansaldo look attractive to a potential buyer which in this case is to get the rail contract from Hawaii for $1.4 Billion which is exactly what happened. There's a lot of dirty stuff going on behind the scenes and if it came to the light of day, a lot of people would probably go to jail. Unfortunately the problem is systemic, so unfortunately they will probably get away with it.
on June 21,2012 | 10:29AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. No such "through examination of the record and performance" is being conducted by twisting a non-event into a smear campaign. Politicians receive all contributions in GOOD FAITH and have not the faintest idea if a donation is "illegal". After a donation have been mostly spent months later and declared "illegal", that part of the donation left unspent is escheat to the CSC not the original amount. GOOD FAITH does not morally nor legally obligate a politician to do what the smear campaigners are saying - pay the CSC the original amount declared as "illegal". GOOD FAITH in receiving and then spending donations that later turn out to be illegal does not morally nor legally obligate any one to "return" the entire amount donated. Only what is left. Even nothing if everything has been spent.
on June 20,2012 | 09:42AM
LanaAloha wrote:
Makes sense. Otherwise how could they even spend their campaign contributions? If they're going to go after anyone it should be the people who donate more than they are allowed to.
on June 20,2012 | 10:39AM
Imagen wrote:
Totally concur KR, so let us "require a thorough examination of the record and performance of any politician running for that office", which includes Kirk and Petey, and anyone else. Let's investigate the candidates! And after the wave of "bended truths" are discovered on virtually ALL of them, just what do you propose we do to rectify the problem? Fire them all? There will be no one left in office!!! NO ONE is "lily white". I am still voting for Ben because he is the ONLY one that will do what I want and not what the "chosen few" want. The operative word here is "I". The vote that comes from me is reserved or those that will take care of "I", and not them...
on June 20,2012 | 11:08AM
hybrid1 wrote:
“Before Ben got into this mayor’s race, Peter did not care about the rail. He let Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Interim Director Toru Hamayasu run the project. When Hamayasu authorized a $15 million change order, he never told the administration about it. We all learned about it when Kevin Dayton wrote the article about it in the Star Advertiser. And when the city managing director Doug Chin waved the 20 percent debt ceiling for rail, Carlisle never knew about it. So who is the enemy of misinformation?”
on June 20,2012 | 01:37PM
DPK wrote:
Rollman: no one one is denying the need to question any candidate. All should be thoroughly vetted. You are free to develop your own beliefs and can hold your nose if you like. Something tells me you wouldn't vote for any anti rail candidate, no matter how sparkling their resume. However, I would advise not holding your breath for rail.
on June 20,2012 | 11:50AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Governor Ben : • Pushed through one of the biggest state personal income tax reductions in the nation at the time • Reduced the size and growth of state government to less than the inflation rate • Established the Hawai‘i Tourism Authority • Implemented civil service reform • Built a record number of public schools • Built a record number of homes for Native Hawaiian homesteaders • Developed the Hawai‘i Convention Center to boost tourism • Started the Hawai‘i State Art Museum • Began construction of the new John A. Burns School of Medicine and research center for the University of Hawai‘i • Kept his promise to make public education his highest priority by sparing schools from budget cuts at the expense of other state departments • Ordered the State Attorney General to investigate the Bishop Estate, an $11 billion trust fund set up for the benefit and education of Hawaiian children • When Hawaii’s economy rebounded in 1999, Ben promoted growth in new areas to further diversify the economy • Created the nation’s first state-funded after-school Plus (A )in 1989.
on June 20,2012 | 01:34PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
They knew Grabauskas was let go from his MA job,and why. But, he was desperate to get a job and they knew that too. So they hired him as the "fall guy." Mark my word, after Ben kills the rail and saves us billions of dollars, the pro-rail folks will say "It's not our fault; Grabauskas is the culprit." He'll take his million dollars and run back to MA.
on June 20,2012 | 06:35AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Yep you're on the mark and he gathers his toys (and money) and finds somewhere else to "play".
on June 20,2012 | 10:05AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Ben's action were LEGAL and you will eventually have to admit that, after he is elected by a voting public that is more concerned about what your pro-rail group is trying to do to us.
on June 20,2012 | 06:33AM
localguy wrote:
More proof rail is in major trouble. First it was shoddy management. Next is was having HART go hat in hand to the city council to beg for millions of dollars. Now rail is trying a PAC to save their failing project. What other proof do we need rail and Hawaii do not mix? Remember, we were already told by HART taxpayers will have to subsidize rail at 60% or more for the life of rail. Why? You know the answer. Here is a thought for HART, check with how San Diego's rail system re-coupes more of its operational cost than any other city. How do they do it? Lean operational costs, unmanned stations, ticket machines, basically a very efficient operation. HART needs to contact San Diego if they every have any hope of salvaging their failing project. Will they do this to save taxpayer's money? Past history suggests no, they will continue to fail us. This is what they do.
on June 20,2012 | 02:44AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Meanwhile Hart sits in their very very very expensive air conditioned offices right in the heart of some of the most expensive real estate in Hawaii -- Downtown.
on June 20,2012 | 04:25AM
allie wrote:
yup
on June 20,2012 | 06:27AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
With a huge staff to help "manage" a railroad that does not exist. Are we dumb or what?
on June 20,2012 | 06:36AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Check this out and it'll make you sick (and tired) of the Rail status quo.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnRw6e1fLTI
on June 20,2012 | 10:12AM
Imagen wrote:
Dumb; not what...
on June 20,2012 | 11:10AM
hybrid1 wrote:
HART spends $25 million per year for rail which won't be available for 20 years.
on June 20,2012 | 01:39PM
pridon wrote:
They should work and live in Kapolei, the 2nd city. That way they can cvut down on traffic and rent would be cheaper.
on June 20,2012 | 10:55PM
autumnrose wrote:
"Rail rent exceeds $100,000 a month: The Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation employees work on the 17th and 23rd floors of the Alii Place Building. The offices are occupied by engineers, architects, financial analysts and more. Their main role is oversight over the nearly $5.5 billion rail project. More than $100,000 from that budget is going to rent each month. For the two floors the city is spending $1.3 million a year for rent, maintenance fees and utilities." July 11, 2011, Hawaii News Now, http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/15063723/rail-rent-exceeds-100000-a-month GUESS WHAT? candidate Caldwell's law office is on the 14th floor of the same building...
on June 20,2012 | 01:57PM
LittleEarl_01 wrote:
It's not about an alternative to driving. It's not about providing jobs for our construction trades. IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY! If this PAC is so interested in the welfare of our construction trades, why don't they scream and holler about all the infastructure projects that could be done, i.e., roads, sewer, water, schools, etc. No it's all about the money. The personal attacks against Cayetano show that they are running scared. After all, don't want to lose all that money and to hell with the taxpayers who will have to pay, and pay, and pay.
on June 20,2012 | 02:51AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
"IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY" Yes! It's public record. Cayetano received more than half a million dollars in illegal donations.After learning that they were illegal, he only paid back $8,000. But if he did nothing wrong, why did he start paying it back? Obviously, he knew he was supposed to do so but then discovered by declaring his campaign bankrupt he could get off scot-free. The important thing is that many of those making the illegal donations subsequently received state contracts. Sounds like a gigantic pay-to-lay racket to me.
on June 20,2012 | 05:28AM
DPK wrote:
I certainly believe in innocent till proven guilty. Sounds like the pro rail crowd is trying to shift focus off the lunacy of rail as they realize the public momentum against it.
on June 20,2012 | 06:22AM
Kuniarr wrote:
There is no wrong doing whatsoever whenever a politician "escheats" as legally and morally required by the Campaign Spending Commission so-called illegal contributions. A politician receiving for example a political donation of $10,000 on June 20, 2012, spends $9,900 on political print advertising but on July 20, 2012, is told by the Campaign Spending Commission that the $10,000 is a so-called "illegal contribution", and must "escheat" $10,000 to the CSC. -- dos not actually mean pay the CSC the amount of $10,000 but only whatever is left unspent and only whatever is left unspent of the $10,000. That is what is meant by to "escheat" $10,000.
on June 20,2012 | 09:57AM
wiliki wrote:
Ben's already been proven guilty. He's just gotten off with a legal technicality which he shamelessly used. As a lawyer he should know better.
on June 20,2012 | 11:33AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
That's pretty slanderous. What are you claiming that Ben "was found guilty of"?
on June 20,2012 | 11:44AM
wiliki wrote:
$500,000
on June 20,2012 | 04:59PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Not true, ludicrous and based upon ignorance of what the legal term "escheat" means. The word "escheat" does not in any manner connote a crime or any unethical or immoral act. For anyone to make the word "escheat" connote to an illegal or immoral act is not only false, ridiculous, ludicrous, and amazingly absurd.
on June 20,2012 | 06:40PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Man if they paying you for this stuff we taxpayers sure getting ripped off...
on June 20,2012 | 02:10PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. This smear against Cayetano is simply based upon ignorance of a legal term called "escheat". The word "escheat" does not in any manner connote a criminal or immoral act. To make it appear that Cayetano did something illegal or immoral when told to escheat so-called "illegal contributions" is ludicrous.
on June 20,2012 | 06:36PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney.
on June 20,2012 | 10:05PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
BB, you just don't get it. You're swallowing the line from PRP, a major player in the group that is screwing us. They won't tell you that Ben did nothing illegal. All the illegal acts regarding rail are correctly attributed to Hannemann, Carlisle, HART, et al.
on June 20,2012 | 06:38AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
KeithHaugen wrote: "BB, you just don't get it.You're swallowing the line from PRP..."

I believe BB is another of Doug Carlson's 'sock puppet' accounts. I think he WROTE the line we're expected to swallow.
on June 20,2012 | 08:07AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Can you believe they pay Carlson $300k to spout his brand of silliness? That's our tax money, kids. When I saw that listed on the HART site I urpled. No typo.
on June 20,2012 | 09:59AM
Imagen wrote:
What's a "urpled"?
on June 20,2012 | 11:12AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Like when you throw up in your mouth just a little bit. Urple.
on June 20,2012 | 11:46AM
bender wrote:
You're forgeting he was cleared of those charges. Both you and Rollman are beating a dead horse.
on June 20,2012 | 07:04AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Not true. Those donations were declared "illegal" only weeks or months after most of them have been spent. All politicians - including Mazie Hirono herself - are not morally nor legally obligated to return or pay the CSC the original amount declared as "illegal contribution". The politician is only morally and legally obligated to return or pay the CSC whatever amount is left of the "illegal contribution" and this is called to "escheat". To escheat means to return or pay the CSC only whatever is left unpsent and only whatever is left unspent of the contribution that the CSC has declared weeks, months, or years after the contribution was received.
on June 20,2012 | 09:48AM
LanaAloha wrote:
Seriously, though $500,000 is not much compared to $5 billion. Look at the money they've wasted on PR, delays, etc. ? At least the money that was given to him was used for the purpose it was intended for.
on June 20,2012 | 10:57AM
pakeheat wrote:
So he learned "after" they were illegal, but collected illegal donations, LOL.
on June 20,2012 | 12:45PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Who cares BlueBoy? It's about rail. Or do you not want to talk about the "benefits" of rail. No? I understand.
on June 20,2012 | 02:10PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. BluesBreaker, all politicians - including President Obama himself - receives any and all donations in GOOD FAITH and all such donations are considered LEGAL. The campaign contribution administrative rules uses the legal term ESCHEAT when asking a politician to "escheat" so-called "illegal donations". When any politician is asked for example to "escheat" $100,000 it is false and absolutely wrong to mean "return or forfeit $100,000" literally but to mean "return or forfeit whatever amount of the orginal $100,000 that still exists". A person, for example who says he discovered a cache of $100,000 on the road is weeks later told by the state to "escheat" the $100,000 to the state. Should weeks after the person discovered the $100,000 only $10 is left, that person is morally and legally only obligated to pay or return to the state $10 not the original $100,000.,
on June 20,2012 | 02:29PM
aiea7 wrote:
nope, cayatono knew that many contributions were illegal, but he ignored them. these contirbutions all came from his contractor friends who had state building contracts and made millions. so to say he did not know is a pure lie. his campaign committee should be monitoring the donations and send thank you letters. by doing so they could easily find out the bogus contributors. lies and more lies from a corrupt politician.
on June 20,2012 | 02:37PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Nothing new here from one who has the habit of character assassination all the time.
on June 20,2012 | 06:28PM
Kuniarr wrote:
BluessBreaker, "escheat" is a legal term that is not a common word that can be translated as "forfeit" or "return" or "pay" or "owe".
on June 20,2012 | 02:31PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Did Car Liar pay back the money for the free trip to China for his wife?
on June 20,2012 | 03:43AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Cadwell got a sweet deduction on his Manoa mansion for years. He only switched it back to normal property taxes because he ran for mayor. Carliar, Cadwell and Rollman got more skeletons in their closet then Ben will ever have.
on June 20,2012 | 07:09AM
Imagen wrote:
And he will switch back after his loss to Ben. Soooo smoke and mirrors.
on June 20,2012 | 11:14AM
Imagen wrote:
NOPE, and he aint gonna. He said so on the tele.
on June 20,2012 | 11:13AM
hanamauka wrote:
John White presented a certain image while he was campaigning for City Council. Now I see a different side of him. Who is the real John White? If anybody knows, please enlighten us. Thank you.
on June 20,2012 | 03:44AM
Wazdat wrote:
Real John white = DONKEY
on June 20,2012 | 04:27AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
An anonymous blogger calling someone names = zero effect.
on June 20,2012 | 04:54AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Keith_Rolly is a MUFI employee who either lost his red shirt or can't find it Go Ben Go has alot of effect Go Ben Go 75% or more in the primaries and save us months of campaigh lies and sign waver's Go Ben Go we got your back. its a witch hunt like with Tom Berg who is the best council member in Hawaii and we know it Go Tom Berg Go & Go Mayor Ben Go
on June 20,2012 | 05:09AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
It's not surprising that you think Berg is the "best council member." You'd try to elect a baboon if it was anti-rail.
on June 20,2012 | 06:29AM
bender wrote:
Obvously a baboon that was anti-rail is more informed than Caldwell or Carlisle. The baboon understands the will of the people, Carlisle is too arrogant to understand and Carlisle understands but being a lawyer he thinks he can talk his way in.
on June 20,2012 | 07:08AM
wiliki wrote:
A baboon would be a better mayor than Ben.
on June 20,2012 | 11:35AM
Kuniarr wrote:
What happened to your "rail is the future, etc." so now you are into baboons, wiliki?
on June 20,2012 | 10:09PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Only if it's smarter than a fifth grader.
on June 20,2012 | 09:03AM
hawaiinui wrote:
A baboon with a brain would seem far better than clowns, which by the way abound in the Council and think their acts of stupidity go unnoticed by the voters.
on June 20,2012 | 09:08AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I refuse to disparage a noble baboon by comparing the ape to Rollman. I have some class and self-respect, you see.
on June 20,2012 | 10:01AM
Imagen wrote:
Aaaahhhh, thank you Maneki_Neko for your tutelage.
on June 20,2012 | 11:17AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
PRP bullying Ben = zero effect. In fact it will work to energize Ben to the greatest heights yet. Take it from me, as Ben and I are fellow Farrington High School graduates, 16 years apart, and Ben and I have one other thing in common: we both have mean tempers, and we had to, to survive in The Streets of Kalihi.
on June 20,2012 | 06:40AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Hey anyone keeping score in this slugfest between White and the Gov? My money's on the short Filipino whos' forgetten more than White will ever know and more importantly is not a "flash in the pan".
on June 20,2012 | 10:17AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Hi Bob Wiesel!
on June 20,2012 | 10:00AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Read about Donkey John White: ....http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorialspremium/20120420_John_White.html?id=148199445
on June 20,2012 | 01:50PM
bender wrote:
Yeah, my choice was between John White and Ernie Martin.Not much to chose from but I went with Martin. I was suspicious of White but I didn't know why. Now I do. Now if we can only get rid of Martin in the next election. Even on non-rail issues he keeps missing the mark, such as he idea to auction off the Haleiwa park parcel.
on June 20,2012 | 07:06AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Who is John White? He's the guy with the brown lips.
on June 20,2012 | 10:13AM
kgolfinghawaii wrote:
I used to live in the SF bay area. BART covers 104 miles and there are 10 million people living within reach of the system and they only have 365,000 daily riders on average. And the system is still subsidized by the state and feds. And at least that train goes to places people work. So an island with 1 million people is building a multi-billion train system that goes nowhere and you pro rail people think it will be useful? In what world? It doesn't cover windward, hardly any leeward, north shore, south shore...nothing. How is a rail project that starts in Kapolei and ends at a mall going to help people get to work or ease traffic congestion?
on June 20,2012 | 03:44AM
koolau wrote:
Terrific example which every tax payer on this, and neighboring islands should read and take to heart. If not to heart, try their own pocket book!
on June 20,2012 | 04:47AM
wiliki wrote:
OTOH the Phoenix rail system is doing quite well. We forget that the reasons for rail vary. Honolulu has a unique geography that requires rail.
on June 20,2012 | 11:37AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Honolulu's unique geography requires rail? Pure rubbish my dear sir.
on June 20,2012 | 02:29PM
wiliki wrote:
Not rubbish.... just the facts.
on June 20,2012 | 04:58PM
hybrid1 wrote:
The Phoenix light rail cost $600 per man, woman and child and is a failure, draining the Phoenix citizen taxpayers. The honolulu heavy rail will be 10 times more costly ($6,000 per person and bankrupt honolulu.) What are you bragging about?
on June 20,2012 | 02:38PM
wiliki wrote:
Your figures are wrong.... try again.
on June 20,2012 | 04:58PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. Prove it, wiliki.
on June 20,2012 | 10:10PM
Kuniarr wrote:
A baboon, wiliki. What happened to your baboon?
on June 20,2012 | 10:10PM
thatsashame_0723 wrote:
Exactly, and don't forget the proposed high speed train from SF to LA that's short on funding or the light rail in Seattle that has very low ridership.
on June 20,2012 | 05:57AM
PMA wrote:
But, BART stations are up to 11 train cars long, not 2 as proposed by HART. This means the choo-choo here caries only a fifth of the BART capacity at 100 times the cost. Good planning...
on June 20,2012 | 06:37AM
hybrid1 wrote:
With 64 seats, the two-car trains supposedly have room for 254 standing passengers. But that’s at “crush capacity,” which is far more crowded than Americans are willing to accept. Assuming the city increases the seating to 76 seats, actual loads are likely to be limited to a total of about 150 to 200 people per train. At a maximum of 20 trains an hour in each direction, the line will be able to move about 3,000 to 4,000 people per hour inbound in the morning and a similar number outbound in the afternoon.............. By comparison, a single HIGHWAY LANE (e.g. zipper lane) can easily move 600 buses per hour, and at 40 seats per bus that represents 24,000 people (in 20,000 cars) per hour, none of them having to stand.
on June 20,2012 | 02:39PM
lastuhu wrote:
The Rail gets its revenue from different sources than The Bus or The Sewer or The Road. My left pocket instead of my right.
on June 20,2012 | 04:01AM
DPK wrote:
lastuhu: watch out for whatever else they might grab while in there.
on June 20,2012 | 06:25AM
Imagen wrote:
And watch out for that middle pocket... >.<
on June 20,2012 | 11:21AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha, good one lol !! By the way not supposed to get one space between The and Bus, i.e., TheBus. So might as well say TheSewer and TheRoad and please remind your friends and family to vote for TheBen.
on June 20,2012 | 06:25AM
lastuhu wrote:
Go Brudda Ben!
on June 20,2012 | 05:03PM
hawaiinui wrote:
Right now, both pockets are down to zero...now comes the punch to the cohones.....OUCH!
on June 20,2012 | 10:18AM
loquaciousone wrote:
If pro railers were on the Titanic, they would have thrown their women and children to the sharks so that they could get a seat on one of the lifeboats.
on June 20,2012 | 04:09AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
hysterical nonsense.
on June 20,2012 | 04:44AM
kekelaward wrote:
Not really nonsense. The pro-railers are throwing Oahu's kids and grandkids and future generations to circling financial predators.
on June 20,2012 | 07:20AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Good one.
on June 20,2012 | 07:30AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Actually they're throwing our kupunas to the floor on the cramped buses. It a zoo out there compliments of the HART "expert consultants", contractors and brown nosers.
on June 20,2012 | 10:20AM
kekelaward wrote:
And if Ansaldo built those lifeboats, most of those pro-railers would have to stand.
on June 20,2012 | 07:17AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Your on a roll.
on June 20,2012 | 07:30AM
pj737 wrote:
And if the city maintained those lifeboats, they would all sink as soon as they hit the water.
on June 20,2012 | 09:01AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Hahaha.....a laugh a minute.
on June 20,2012 | 10:20AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Well, yeah, but each boat would only have 32 seats. The rest would have to stand.
on June 20,2012 | 10:03AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
As they say it takes all kinds. I think I read ur personality. If u understand Texas Hold'em Poker u r the type that would go ALL IN on each hand, just praying that u would win. My personality is that I am assertive (a word that is preferable to aggressive) in that I usually wait until all the community cards are shown before I go for it, unless I have pocket AA or KK and even then I am careful because trips such as the lowly 2-2-2 would still defeat AA or KK.
on June 20,2012 | 01:19PM
hybrid1 wrote:
With 64 seats, the two-car trains supposedly have room for 254 standing passengers. But that’s at “crush capacity,” which is far more crowded than Americans are willing to accept. Assuming the city increases the seating to 76 seats, actual loads are likely to be limited to a total of about 150 to 200 people per train. At a maximum of 20 trains an hour in each direction, the line will be able to move about 3,000 to 4,000 people per hour . Stand beside a homeless, smelly person?
on June 20,2012 | 02:41PM
atilter wrote:
I am very willing - more than willing - to forgive any candidate for slight transgressions if he/she fits my personal view of being the best individual in the group of candidates who can do the best job for the majority of the population. I ascribe qualities to an individual according to what I have personally experienced from him/her - NOT ACCORDING TO ANYONE OR GROUP TELLS ME. It is my job as a critically thinking voter to SORT FACT FROM FICTION. I thank this PAC for its effort but I feel that the outcome has already been determined based upon the facts as I see them.
on June 20,2012 | 04:10AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Talk about sorting fact from fiction, PRP (under the guise of a new entity they call ImuaRail) is spreading misinformation about Honolulu's ranking among cities with traffic problems during commute time. They lie and say we're the worst, when a poll shows that Honolulu ranks 50th, not 1st. They LIE. Don't believe the commercials, even though it might be legal for them to lie to us about the facts.
on June 20,2012 | 06:41AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
I have driven in Rush Hour traffic in Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose, Orlando, Miami (FL), Tampa Bay and Chicago. Hawaii is peanuts compared to those metropolitan areas. I have even seen cars going here and there in Nagoya and Osaka. Either Mufi wanted Honolulu to prematurely become the Los Angeles of the Hawaiian Islands, or Mufi wanted to provide jobs for people that look like him, or he was beholden to PRP, or all of the above. I think it was all of the above and now that there is a challenge to HisRail, which would not have happened if Mufi did not put the cart before the horse and run for governor two years ago, PRP is in panic mode now. So the person to blame is Mufi not Ben and look at Mufi now, in a half-hearted race for the second Congressional Seat !!!
on June 20,2012 | 01:30PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Mrfi will lose to Tulsi.
on June 20,2012 | 02:43PM
kiragirl wrote:
PRP = No Class and No Shame
on June 20,2012 | 04:13AM
loquaciousone wrote:
TRUE!
on June 20,2012 | 04:23AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
BINGO!
on June 20,2012 | 04:23AM
allie wrote:
true
on June 20,2012 | 06:29AM
atilter wrote:
how would one pronounce the acronym PRP? could it appropriately sound like - "PeRP"? i leave the "closure" to the readers' minds.
on June 20,2012 | 08:41AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Word! Or maybe excel.
on June 20,2012 | 10:03AM
Wazdat wrote:
Oh poor pro rail babys are geting scared...I love it...Go ben go..
on June 20,2012 | 04:25AM
Anonymous wrote:
john white = D O N K E Y
on June 20,2012 | 04:28AM
allie wrote:
a well paid donkey!
on June 20,2012 | 06:28AM
hawaiinui wrote:
And the rest of the guys (that he supposedly represents) and sit on the bench get sqwat.
on June 20,2012 | 10:23AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Ben calls it "dirty tactics and a smear campaign" when you remind people of his documented record. Some people can't handle the truth.
on June 20,2012 | 04:43AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Go Ben Go
on June 20,2012 | 05:02AM
DPK wrote:
This is a pro rail diversionary discussion to mitigate their loss of support in public opinion. I believe in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. If there is wrongdoing, where is the litigation?
on June 20,2012 | 06:33AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
And those who lie about it refuse to admit that Ben DID NOTHING illegal. Unlike you and others who are now generating the lies and helping to spread them as part of the smear. Have you no honor or decency? Don't you care about our Island and our grandkids?.
on June 20,2012 | 06:43AM
atilter wrote:
a self-evident simple answer - has been displayed in all his posts - need not be written.
on June 20,2012 | 08:48AM
bender wrote:
Don't you mean "allegations"? They were unproven. You're beating a dead horse.
on June 20,2012 | 07:11AM
Changalang wrote:
The Campaign Spending Commission had the last word on this, as well as Lingle's AG who passed decision on the slanderous illegality claims of these libelous statements. Lingle's AG issued judgement that all the candidates on the list did nothing illegal during Lingle's tenure. That being said, I think you guys should push this issue out there and carpet bomb the airwaves with it. Perfect pivot point for Ben, which he needs. Thanks, Keith. Perhaps history will repeat in 2012 what Neil performed in 2010.
on June 20,2012 | 07:49AM
Changalang wrote:
“We were advised by the attorney general in 2006 that we could not go after the escheats to the state after these candidates close their campaigns, because these are not fines,” Kam said. “Keep in mind, the contributors have already been fined, that is where the penalty comes in." (hawaiireporter, 24APR2012).
on June 20,2012 | 09:21PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
You guys don't seem too concerned with Mazie Hirono having the same record. Why is that?
on June 20,2012 | 08:10AM
atilter wrote:
because she is not vocalizing any "rail' views like the PeRP's obvious target.
on June 20,2012 | 08:52AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
We can't find her.
on June 20,2012 | 10:05AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Did you look behind Dan?
on June 20,2012 | 10:12AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Simple...Mazie who?
on June 20,2012 | 10:24AM
pridon wrote:
You know Lazie Mazie. Spent years in congress, never to be heard from. Now she wants to be a do nothing Senator to match her House efforts.
on June 20,2012 | 11:06PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Rollman talking about a documented record. That is indeed rich. Wiesel never learns.
on June 20,2012 | 10:04AM
Smiley7 wrote:
The commercials are nauseating and the channels can be switched fast enough. PAC and the DP is the same just different clothes. We have been fooled long enough and now the public has a slim chance to right a wrong. Auwe!
on June 20,2012 | 04:52AM
Imagen wrote:
That's right Smiley7; SLIM chance, AND only IF we ALL get out and vote these turds out of their chairs. Please!!!
on June 20,2012 | 11:29AM
akuman808 wrote:
The PRP and their supporters stand to reap millions via the rail project. They have legalized scamming taxpayers through countless loopholes and political manuevers like the recent passing of the phantom credit line with no way of paying it back, have the audacity to smear the former governor while doing the very thing we detest, pilau politics.
on June 20,2012 | 05:30AM
yhls wrote:
Hey PRP, just in case you're wondering. Your anti-Cayetano campaign is backfiring. I'm sure you read these comments daily. You're going to lose the mayoral election. Cayetano is going to win. The people of Oahu, who's true wishes are never considered with huge projects like these, are going to vote for Cayetano. Simple. We do not want your rail project. Period. Thank God we have an anti-rail mayoral candidate. For once, we can actually vote on a major issue and have our voices heard. No amount of propoganda you can spew will change that.
on June 20,2012 | 05:46AM
allie wrote:
Ben was a very good governor in some very difficult economic years. People here tell me the economy was worse in the mid 1990's than it was in the 2007-2010 recession. Ben handled it much better than the horrid Lingle. He was tough but fair.
on June 20,2012 | 06:30AM
aiea7 wrote:
are you kidding me? you need to check you facts. lingle was not much better ben, but ben was horrible, he was only concerned with steering state building contracts to his contractor friends so the can contribute to his campaign. this process is essentially stealing from the state to use for personal purposes. do you think this is honorable?
on June 20,2012 | 07:49AM
allie wrote:
they all do that
on June 20,2012 | 08:37AM
atilter wrote:
almost all politicians will eventually begin to do this - even if they do not at the outset. that's why i would never use that word to describe any politician. it's all a matter of degree and stealth.
on June 20,2012 | 08:58AM
Imagen wrote:
@aiea7: Can you say HART? Can you say Nestor Garcia? Can you say Toru? Wayne? Horner? Hidano? JOHN WHITE? Rn Taketa, Vince Nihipali, Sr, and the list goes on and on and on and on and...well I'm sure even you will get this picture. But then again, maybe not. Sad >.<
on June 20,2012 | 11:45AM
aiea7 wrote:
do you have any proof that those you have named were involved in something what cayatono did? if so, why don;t you dislcose it? in cayatono's case, it was disclosed by the campaign spending commission and ressurected by malia zimmerman on her Hawaii reporter. so funny and ironic, an anti smearing another anti. LOL
on June 20,2012 | 02:41PM
Kuniarr wrote:
What did cayetano do, aiea7? No, aiea7. Wrong, like your ignorance about the GET all this baloney of yours against Cayetano is just base upon your ignorance of the word "escheat".
on June 20,2012 | 06:59PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney.
on June 20,2012 | 06:56PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Governor Ben : • Pushed through one of the biggest state personal income tax reductions in the nation at the time • Reduced the size and growth of state government to less than the inflation rate • Established the Hawai‘i Tourism Authority • Implemented civil service reform • Built a record number of public schools • Built a record number of homes for Native Hawaiian homesteaders • Developed the Hawai‘i Convention Center to boost tourism • Started the Hawai‘i State Art Museum • Began construction of the new John A. Burns School of Medicine and research center for the University of Hawai‘i • Kept his promise to make public education his highest priority by sparing schools from budget cuts at the expense of other state departments • Ordered the State Attorney General to investigate the Bishop Estate, an $11 billion trust fund set up for the benefit and education of Hawaiian children • When Hawaii’s economy rebounded in 1999, Ben promoted growth in new areas to further diversify the economy • Created the nation’s first state-funded after-school Plus (A )in 1989.
on June 20,2012 | 02:45PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Cayetano's numbers now equal more than the temporary mayor and the former acting mayor combined. But he needs more support... He needs to win by 50 percent plus one vote. If not, PRP will say he is forcing a second costly election. And they will spend big bucks to try make that an election issue.
on June 20,2012 | 06:47AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Here it is from the source itself, today's USA Today Front Page article: "State and local governments are keeping the tightest lid on spending in three decades, even though tax revenue is rising again and powerful interest groups are asking for more money".Looks like Honolulu is the lone exception, with this new PAC.
on June 20,2012 | 06:14AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
PRP is shameless. They don't care about us at all. It's all about making more money.
on June 20,2012 | 06:45AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Hi Keith, Well if we went to McDonald's and decided that we did not want to have our lunch there, this is a free country, and that we are free to go to Zippy's if we wanted. There were times that I went to a McDonald's like 7 times a week and I alternated between my two nearest McDonald's because if I went there daily they might say "so u do not have anywhere else to go?". LOL. Well anyway, I digress. The tactics of the PRP is akin to Microsoft saying DO NOT BUY THE IPAD AND BUY ONLY OUR NEW TABLETS. That is akin to strong arm tactics that only a socialistic government attempts to get away with, and PRP more or less have succeeded with our Government Unions lol !! Sincerely Yours, Me
on June 20,2012 | 12:54PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
The first paragraph says it all. PRP, Carlisle, Caldwell, and the unions are in desperation mode hence the negative ads. Intelligent people will see thru this guise. We're on to you guys and this solidifies our support of Ben Cayetano. BTW, PRP is just a "hatchet man".
on June 20,2012 | 06:47AM
bender wrote:
Don't the pro rail organizations understand that people have already made up their minds on this issue, and that includes both the pro and opposition camps. The only way anyone will be swayed to change their mind is if new information comes out, such as has happened recently. I'm referring to the negative news about the city already dipping into the contingency fund and this morning news that the US House of Rep. is already getting out the budget axe on this project. That scares people. On the flip side, there's nothing to convince an anti rail person to change their position. I'm sure this PAC will run a smear campaign on Cayetano, that's what PACs do. But it won't work in Honolulu because we have a history of championing the underdog. All of the pro rail organizations and now this PAC are simply wasting their money.
on June 20,2012 | 06:56AM
Imagen wrote:
Let them waste their money as they are wasting ours.
on June 20,2012 | 11:47AM
PCWarrior wrote:
For nearly a decade, I worked alongside local union brothers for a local developer. Carpenters, plumbers, electricians, operating engineers, concrete workers and painters. They were all good and decent hard working men and women who loved their families. They just want work, whether it's on a rail project or elsewhere. I cannot think of any of those people who would support this ultra low life rank amateur John White and the pure BS he's pulling on Cayetano. Have to go back 14 years to find something on Ben? This is the best you got? White won't tout the benefits of rail. He just wants to punk Cayetano. Pathetic. And we all know who the punk is.
on June 20,2012 | 07:01AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
If John White was concerned about the viability of the rail, then he needed to throw his hat into the ring and make it s foursome for this Mayor's race. It is too late though as the filing deadline has come and gone.
on June 20,2012 | 07:24AM
Changalang wrote:
He already lost against Ernie Martin for the City Council race last time around.
on June 20,2012 | 07:41AM
pakeheat wrote:
Good thing, he would have been a combination of Rod Tam and Nestor Garcia, LOL.
on June 20,2012 | 12:50PM
bumba wrote:
Ben is beloved by the people because he cares. John White, most of us despise you for your greed. Mayor Carlisle, you're going to lose this election not because of the rail, but because you haven't done a thing since you were elected. Mr. Caldwell, you're not a bad guy and probably would have been a good mayor, but you're just caught on the wrong side of this mess.
on June 20,2012 | 07:02AM
PMA wrote:
The way that you get at the anti-rail message is to get at the anti-rail messenger," said Neal Milner, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii. So much for the political science department at UH, I count 100 to one that PRP's smmmeeeaaarrr has backfired.
on June 20,2012 | 07:03AM
Changalang wrote:
The negatives are working. Ben is down 10 points; 5 from the 50 percentile. Now, if he can produce a positive ad that shows that he is coming out of retirement to save Hawaii and trail statements from the State AG and Honolulu spending commission with a theme of " They will do anything to spend Oahu's money for themselves"; Ben may still be able to hit 50%. Just $0.02.
on June 20,2012 | 07:56AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
You are very perceptive, my friend. PRP and the others know if you throw a metric cr@p ton of money at advertising you will convince some people who don't have the time or inclination to study the topic. That's the plan - take from the many and give to the few - a reverse Robin Hood trick.

I, too, hope Ben has the resources to fight back and not be overwhelmed by the huge special interest funding of the pro-rail PACs.

We anti-railers are just a group of grass roots guys who want what is best for Hawaii. We don't have the uku dollars that the millionaire CEO and unions have but we have Heart (the real stuff, not HART) and we have faith and we have a Capital One credit card........wait, sorry.....I got into my battle speech and was channeling Baldwin.

Point is, this is a test between special interests PACs and CEOs and fat cats against the little guys who speak truth to power.


on June 20,2012 | 10:21AM
Changalang wrote:
The truth is on our side. We just need to spread it and bring votes in August.
on June 20,2012 | 01:03PM
atilter wrote:
is the phrase "political science" an o-x-y-m-o-r-o-n?
on June 20,2012 | 09:14AM
allie wrote:
giggle...
on June 20,2012 | 10:28AM
loquaciousone wrote:
No one expects a lily white clean politician. That's too much to ask for. It all boils down to the least of three evils. We have a Mayor who is inept, absent, and untruthful. We had a Candidate in Caldwell is so busy straddling the fence that he will get nothing done while in office. Then we have Ben Cayetano who is the only candidate that's in touch with reality. Voters in Hawai are not dumb. PRP obviously thinks we are and wants to smear Ben with these slimy ads thinking it will help defeat him. Just like one poster said, "NO CLASS -- NO SHAME".
on June 20,2012 | 07:06AM
aiea7 wrote:
loco one - i expect the politician that i supprt to be clean - maybe you don't have an scruples, but many of us do. cayatono has shown that he is not a moral person, but corrupt morally and if you support such a person, then you are a untrustworthy person too. you antis are only supporting cayatono because he wants to kill rail, otherwise, you antis don't care for him. to show that you antis care for him, why don't you contribute to his campaign so that he can morally pay the state the over $500,000 in illegal contributions, so at least you can say, he righted a wrong and you helped. but this would not happen because you antis are selfish.
on June 20,2012 | 07:44AM
loquaciousone wrote:
I guess you don't vote then.
on June 20,2012 | 09:04AM
loquaciousone wrote:
By the way who are you going to vote for in the Mayoral race since you expound your virtuous scruples? Carlisle who has yet to pay back the money for his wife's free trip to China or Caldwell who declared his multimillion dollar home a historical home so he could save thousands in property tax?
on June 20,2012 | 09:07AM
aiea7 wrote:
those items you mentioned pale in contrast to what cayatono did. In fact, in peter's case the city ethics person was so stoopid to rule as he did. the foreign government requested his wife's attendance and paid for it. so, none of the city's resourses were used for her trip. in the case of Kirk, the law allows such exemptions and kirk followed of the requirements of the law. there a a lot more "rich" people who took advantage of the exemption, does that make them crooks like cayatono? silly.
on June 20,2012 | 02:45PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The legal term "escheat" is beyond the capability of a moroon to understand. Only maroons who do not understand that the word "escheat" does not connote anything illegal or immoral continue character assassination based on ludicrous and false interpretation of "escheat".
on June 20,2012 | 07:06PM
Imagen wrote:
Yep that's right aiea7, go ahead and preach your surmon...you're only backing some of the most unscrupulous individuals ever to hit the Islands, let alone Oahu. And PLEASE do not call me selfish. You pro-railers are the ultimate webster definition of selfish. You want 94 % of the people on Oahu to fund "an alternative to traffic and TOD's" for 6% of the populace? Not to mention, your administration repeatedly lies and spills vomit on us EVERY DAY!, only to spend what little I have left to fund your train from nowhere to where now? AMC? It may not even reach the mall...
on June 20,2012 | 12:01PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Only a moroon thinks that the word "escheat" connotes "pay the state". LOL.
on June 20,2012 | 07:09PM
aiea7 wrote:
waipahu - what is a moroon, is that someone like you? in your case, if we subtract an "o" from the last two "o"s , it aptly describes you.
on June 20,2012 | 08:32PM
hybrid1 wrote:
The real debate should be focused on : "When will Carlisle/Caldwell provide their plan for traffic relief for the bottlenecks at the H-1 merges??? What's their PLAN???? Nothing in their article on rail in the SA mentions traffic relief for the bottlenecks at the H-1 merges. !!. What's their plan???...............The media should notice that both Carlisle and Caldwell did not provide a traffic solution to this FACT: The city's Alternative Analysis, Table 3-12, shows that the traffic overload at the H-1/H-2 merge, the Middle St merge and the pm Halawa merge will increase by over 500% AFTER the $7 Billion (FTA estimate) rail cattle cars are operating...Ben's BRT will eliminate the H-1 bottleneck merges for less than $100 million (Feds pay 80% for new buses)and will scrap the needless $7 Billion
on June 20,2012 | 02:48PM
connie wrote:
I was originally pro-rail, but after not being able to understand how much the rail is going to cost, whether we have the money or not, and how many jobs the rail will generate, I've become anti-rail. Instead of bashing Gov. Cayetano's record, somebody, anybody on the pro-rail side please tell me, that the rail will cost "x" amount of dollars, that the money to pay for the rail is in the bank (and earning interest, I might add), and there are 5,000 people actually working on building the rail (right now, it seems there are 5,000 people at work making pro-rail commercials). I am now supporting Gov. Cayetano's campaign for Mayor. Go, Ben Go.
on June 20,2012 | 07:17AM
Imagen wrote:
Unfortuately "connie" they cannot. They are unable to divulge any CREDIBLE information for they have none. All they have are mistruths and fabricated numbers, "plans" all of which are HolyBakery's baked apple pies in the skies. And boy were those some great pies...
on June 20,2012 | 12:05PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
As they say, a picture tells a thousand words. Thank you Jamm Aquino for your pic today, which shows Ben in most focus, Peter a little fuzzy and Kirk the most out of focus. Ben is looking confidently ahead, Peter is looking at his shoes and Kirk appears to be looking ahead, except we cannot see the white of his eyes. I read Dave Shapiro's column which gives me practice to think like Dave. By the way Dave I wrote this first so if I see a similar passage in your column this week, I get the brass ring.
on June 20,2012 | 07:19AM
McCully wrote:
I just love what Pro Rail Pac is doing to Cayetano. The more they attack, the more voters will jump on his side. Voters, you have to understand that this PAC is funded by the unions and probably endorsed by one of the candidates. The rail fund just lost $150 million from the feds, this is just the beginning on the rail to nowhere.
on June 20,2012 | 07:21AM
chief wrote:
What kind of position is "there is no moral obligation to pay it back because you didn't know it was illegal!" Now we know where his ethical standards and morality are.
on June 20,2012 | 07:22AM
atilter wrote:
if you say so, kemosabe.
on June 20,2012 | 09:18AM
Imagen wrote:
Well, "chief": Simple question; "Define "olbigation" to do act on something for which you had no prior knowledge of, or simply put, knew nothing about?" Now, just read the question as written and do NOT read INTO the question. Very common mistake, but you are forgiven.
on June 20,2012 | 12:13PM
hybrid1 wrote:
“Before Ben got into this mayor’s race, Peter did not care about the rail. He let Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Interim Director Toru Hamayasu run the project. When Hamayasu authorized a $15 million change order, he never told the administration about it. We all learned about it when Kevin Dayton wrote the article about it in the Star Advertiser. And when the city managing director Doug Chin waved the 20 percent debt ceiling for rail, Carlisle never knew about it. So who is the enemy of misinformation?”
on June 20,2012 | 02:53PM
ready2go wrote:
It's so sad when the public opinion is so against a government project as this fixed rail project and our so-called "Leaders" at the City Council level, the State Legislature and Congressional do absolutely nothing! You taxpayers and voters should call your respective representatives and let them know your opinions and that they should be getting involved with this issue, or resign from their positions.
on June 20,2012 | 07:34AM
aiea7 wrote:
cayatono - ""there' s no obligation, moral or otherwise, to pay something back that you did not know was illegal." he is a lawyer and for him to make such a ludicrous statement is appalling. Under the law, there is no excuse that you did not know the law and be exonerated. the fact he used the work "illegal", shows that he knew what he did was illegal. a governor must be held to higher standards of integrity. he steered many state contracts to his friends and encouraged them to make illegal contributions and when exposed by the commission, he used a loophole to avoid paying the over $500,000 to the state. this is shameful behavior of a governor. to show that he has integrity, he should have escheat the illegal contributions to the state, this would have been morally right. also, his prior experience of "pay for play", will carryover should he become mayor, again, he will steer city contracts to his friends and the cycle begins all over again. cannot have someone as mayor who is morally corrupt.
on June 20,2012 | 07:38AM
Changalang wrote:
You guys need to really pump this up and spend more advertising dollars to make this point; because there isn't any traction, like Mufi's 2010 mailer.
on June 20,2012 | 07:52AM
Kuniarr wrote:
All donations that all politicians receive - including Obama himself - are considerred LEGAL. To argue otherwise is ludicrous. All this baloney concerning so-called "illegal contributions" is based on ignorance of what "escheat" mean. For example, to "escheat" $100,000" for example does not mean "return or pay the CSC $100,000" but to "return or pay" only whatever is left unspent and only whatever is left unspent of the $100,000. For example a donation of $100,000 is received on June 20, 2012 which is reported to the CSC. Meanwhile $99,950 of that $100,000 is spent on political print and TV advertising. On July 30 the CSC tells the politician that the $100,000 received on June 20, 2012 is a so-called "illegal contribution" and the politician must "escheat" $100,000. What "escheat $100,000" simply means that the politician is to pay or return whatever is left and only whatever is left unspent of the $100,000. In this case, the politician is legally and morally obligated to return only $50 which is the amount unspent of the $100,000.
on June 20,2012 | 10:29AM
aiea7 wrote:
waipahu - why do they have campaign contribution laws, etc.? you cannot say that all contributions received by a campaign are presumed legal. the law requires, campaigns to self regulate to comply with the laws. when campaigns such as cayatono's fail to follow the laws, it can be concluded that they did it intentionally. to allow over $500,000 of such donations to accumulate is really criminal. this shows a complete law of respect for the law. since it was cayatono's campaign, he must take responsibility for it; he cannot claim that he was not aware because the laws require self regulation. cayatono is lying when he stated that he did not know about it.
on June 20,2012 | 08:37PM
hybrid1 wrote:
We, the taxpayers and residents of Oahu are being lied to. The current establishment wants the rail project for the money THEY can make off of kickbacks, contracts, and bribes. That is why they are smearing Ben Cayetano, and forecasting what a disaster it will be if he is elected, and cancels the rail project. - And yet, they sign contracts, obligating the city and taxpayers to huge penalties when cancelled... - They are proceeding w/o permits, so that they can be so far into construction, that we will just go along... - They are ignoring multiple lawsuits, and an environmental impact study... - Honolulu's sewers are the worst in the nation. Many parks in Honolulu don't have bathrooms, because we can't afford to maintain them. Our roads need repaving.
on June 20,2012 | 02:55PM
Kuniarr wrote:
aiea7, why do you even talk in your blog concerning anything about campaign spending administrative rules that you know nothing about? That you do not have any idea at all much more know what "escheat" means makes you unqualified to even engage in any discussion about "campaign spending administrative rules". Remember how you embarrassed yourself regarding the GET? As long as you do not have even the faintest idea at what "escheat" means you are only embarrassing yourself with your worthless and meaningless ideas of your very own about administrative rules of campaign spending.
on June 20,2012 | 10:30PM
SandBar wrote:
The culture of Hawaii's Democratic party is: if your campaign can't stand on issues alone, start a smear campaign on your opponent. I've never had any respect for Hawaii's Democratic party ever since the Cec Heftel smear. Haven't voted for a Democrat since and never will again.
on June 20,2012 | 07:55AM
Changalang wrote:
The politics of the Hawaii GOP; lie to protect your own and maybe we can fool enough young ignorants to join our loyal opposition Party of insignificance.
on June 20,2012 | 08:44AM
SandBar wrote:
I rest my case...
on June 20,2012 | 08:50AM
MKN wrote:
Both parties suck in my opinion. That's why I never affiliated myself with any political parties and just voted for the best candidate. In this case, I would have to give the thumbs up to Ben. He's the most fiscally conservative out of the three. That's what this state needs right now.
on June 20,2012 | 11:15AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Agreed MKN.
on June 20,2012 | 02:40PM
Changalang wrote:
How about the fact that wannabe Governor Lingle misused $1.09 Billion of State taxpayer monies to invest in Auction Rate Securities which team Lingle lost and Hawaii has not gotten back from Citi banksters yet and won't be made whole until 2015, if Citi doesn't renege on the settlement? Ignorance enables small minds to ignore facts of inconvenience; hence the demonstrated failure of the Hawaii GOP. Blaming the Furlough Fridays and budget cuts on "The Great Recession" to provide political cover for losing 20% of the State's operating capital is a crime against ALL the people; like Rail fiscal shenanigans. I rest my case.
on June 20,2012 | 11:28AM
Changalang wrote:
' The probing prompted Rep. Gene Ward, R-17th (Kalama Valley, Queen's Gate, Hawaii Kai) to criticize Kim, D-14th (Hālawa, Moanalua, Kamehameha Heights), about the nature of her questioning. Ward said Kawamura and Kami had been trying to manage the state's money prudently when they got caught in the auction-rate market failure, along with many investors worldwide. "You're playing the blame game," said Ward. "It's an information hearing, not a 'gotcha' hearing." Kim responded that she was trying to find out how the state got into the situation and whether laws were adhered to." "If we had followed investment policies perhaps we wouldn't have as much tied up." (30DEC2009; Honolulu Advertiser)
on June 20,2012 | 11:39AM
WesleySMori wrote:
Amen CHANGALANG!! "AMEN"!!! "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!
on June 20,2012 | 06:17PM
WesleySMori wrote:
Well SANDBAR, I VOTE For WHOEVER I THINK Has The BEST To OFFER The STATE Of "HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!! YOUR "STANCE" On VOTING IS A BIT "STODGY"!!!!! The Republicans, Democrats, Independents ETC, Have Offered "APPEALING" Candidates In The Past And Present.!!! It Seems YOU'RE STUCK WAY BACK When CEC HEFTEL Was Running For Office.!!! I LEAVE A QUOTE By "RENEE DESCARTES" "AN Optimist May See A Light Where There Is None, But Why Must The Pessimist Always Run To Blow It Out?"!!! "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!
on June 20,2012 | 06:13PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
"That's a fair inquiry when there is clear and unequivocal evidence that there had been illegal campaign contributions, which I don't think former Gov. Cayetano disputes … he just says he didn't know about it," said Carlisle, a former prosecutor. "According to the law, you have to then be able to back up what you knew or didn't know or should have known with a series of facts."

Oh dear. It sounds like Peter Carlisle is as terrible a lawyer as he is a Mayor.

If pretty sure that you don't have to prove yourself innocent, the prosecution has to prove you guilty. More to the point, receiving these contributions was never illegal. Ben was never charged BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.

If Mayor Carlisle thinks Ben Cayetano broke the law, then as a concerned citizen, he should have alerted authorities. Otherwise, he should keep his nonsensical legal opinions to himself.
on June 20,2012 | 07:58AM
postmanx wrote:
Ben's not the only one{ Former Democrat Gubernatorial candidate Mazie Hirono’s campaign committee may never pay over $98,000 in unpaid assessments for illegal campaign contributions says the Executive Director of the State Campaign Spending Commission, Barbara Wong. According to Wong, Hirono, a former lieutenant governor who ran for governor in 2002 and is now campaigning for Congress, closed out her gubernatorial campaign committee in May 2006 without paying assessments for $98,367.84. The assessments were levied after the Campaign Spending Commission investigators uncovered thousands of dollars in illegal campaign contributions, contributed to Hirono as a part of Hawaii's extensive "Pay to Play" scandal.
on June 20,2012 | 08:03AM
LanaUlulani wrote:


,b> In other words those who want the rail to be built are spending MILLIONS of dollars in their ad campaign and it is NOT working so now they are resorting to ad hominem attacks against Ben Cayetano and going for PERSONAL ATTACKS.

Kudos to Mr. Cayetano and people like how who are standing up to the Democrat Regime in Hawai'i who WANT the rail to be built at all costs so they can make money off the backs of hard-working local people.

The TRUTH is the rail will CRUSH our kupunas' bones and CRUSH our keiki and mo'opuna into more dream-killing debt and further enslave them to the Federal Reserve and Goldman Sachs.

Vote for Ben Cayetano ! Your keiki and mo'opunas' lives and standard of living depends on it !!!


on June 20,2012 | 08:07AM
WizardOfMoa wrote:
Amen! Amen! LanaUlulani! Right on the kinipopo ! Those pro rail cry babies are bringing up the past in their desperation to construct a project that is doom if Mr. Cayetano is elected.
on June 20,2012 | 08:30AM
allie wrote:
lana is akamai
on June 20,2012 | 08:37AM
Changalang wrote:
They are spending Oahu's own money to lie to Oahu; and it is working.
on June 20,2012 | 08:45AM
sailfish1 wrote:
Remember, all these pro-rail people have no intention of riding the rail. They only want to make money from the project. ELECT BEN CAYETANO!
on June 20,2012 | 08:14AM
keawe wrote:
...the Rail commercials that are always running on T.V. is an irritant. Is this where the money for Rail is going? What a waste.
on June 20,2012 | 08:20AM
allie wrote:
true
on June 20,2012 | 08:38AM
loquaciousone wrote:
true
on June 20,2012 | 09:08AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
true
on June 20,2012 | 02:48PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
true
on June 20,2012 | 03:13PM
nalogirl wrote:
I think PRP is actually helping Cayetano, he doesn't have to spend money for 20 PR companies, he gets press responding to their ridiculous claims. Voters know that all the pro-railers are running scared!
on June 20,2012 | 09:27AM
loquaciousone wrote:
It's EEEnsteens theory of creativity. For each and every slimy pro rail action there is a thousand anti-rail backlashes.
on June 20,2012 | 10:16AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! Me n u train for the Sheraton Waikiki !!!
on June 20,2012 | 02:48PM
kainalu wrote:
Cayetano is a one-issue candidate ... that doesn't have a plan for that single-issue. Meanwhile, he has aligned himself with the likes of Cliff Slater, who has an extended history of rebuffing ANY mass-transit system, to include Jeremy Harris' proposed BRT system - the one Cayetano now advocates for. Snakes eating snakes? You bet.
on June 20,2012 | 09:29AM
hawaiinui wrote:
Right now that ONE issue is all that matters to us. Ben comes with a legion of expertise and his campaign will prevail. The "snakes eating snakes" will happen oon enough when the prorailers start cannibalizing each other before it's too late to change tracks.
on June 20,2012 | 10:44AM
SandBar wrote:
As I understand, rail is not a solution. So does that mean the other candidates also does not have a solution?
on June 20,2012 | 11:19AM
kainalu wrote:
That's the way YOU may understand it. Otherwise, we tax-payers have poured MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO MULTIPLE STUDIES regarding mass-transit - DECADES WORTH OF STUDIES!!! After the smoked clear, it was RAIL that won out over all other options. I didn't select rail - WE DID when our leaders procured all those studies. Meanwhile, as recently reported in the National news - Hawaii has THE WORST TRAFFIC IN THE NATION - period - end of story.
on June 20,2012 | 11:56AM
pakeheat wrote:
Hawaii has THE WORST TRAFFIC IN THE NATION - period - end of story- kainalu. No it's not! Can't remember another article stating the number of total hours in traffic but when it was divided by 365 days per year, it was very minimal, so go ahead and spill nonsense like all the pro-rail ads, that me laugh, its so amateurish.
on June 20,2012 | 12:58PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Hawaii does not have the worst traffic in the nation. Please compare the Interstate 405 in California to our H-1. We like to wave whenever a driver gives us a chance to make a left turn in front of us. u try to wave to a driver on the mainland and u see what u get in return and u will appreciate Hawaii Nei. If u no like it, move to LA, SF, NY, etc. The entire nation is open to u.
on June 20,2012 | 02:21PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The truth is that Carlisle and Caldwell are both one-issue rail and only rail candidate compared to Cayetano who is for traffic relief, improved bus service, and take care of our infrastructure problems instead of spending it all on rail.
on June 21,2012 | 12:04AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
As you all know, I try to always avoid scurrilous ad hominem attacks, preferring to stick strictly to the facts. But in this case I have to agree with the many smart posters here who say that the PRP nas no class, and no shame.

I think that stratgey will back fire. Hawaii people know that PRP is a special interest group and a lobbying organization that wants to take from the many and give to the few. That's not how we like it here.

We like fairness, not a bunch of high paid people in plush offices posting here under assumed names.

We don't like fake students and fake Aunties and fake newsmen spewing "Imua Rail" all over our dinner hour.

We don't like millionaire CEOs talking about how great riding the rails will be - we know you guys get limos.

We don't like [politicians saying they will tax us more if the Feds don't pony up their contribution.

We don't like seeing all the devlopers getting rich from building on the rail line and adding more cars to the commute.

Hawaii people are quiet (like me) but smart too and we see what PRP is trying to do here.


on June 20,2012 | 10:13AM
mililanihi wrote:
I totally agree. It appears to be a desperation move and really puts them in a bad light. Wasn't the issue here rail? Why not bring out these so called issues back then? Was the law broken-no. Popularity of rail is sinking and sinking fast as people are catching on to actual benefits and costs associatied with this train wreck. So iirrelevant when billions are involved in this fiasco. Special intrests are just wanting to have their share. This is they way buisness is done and will always be done. Just don't be in the position to be the fall guy. What a nighmare this has become.
on June 20,2012 | 10:50AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Good job
on June 20,2012 | 02:15PM
aiea7 wrote:
maneki - but you antis like leader like cayatono who intentionally broke campaing contribution laws and did not correct it, dengrated a senator, call his fellow candiates names, threatend to sue HART and all those city employees involved in the rail project. In other word, you antis like a morally corrupt politician who is willing to satisfy your selfish thinking. you will use him and then throw him under the bus when he satisfies your selfish needs.
on June 20,2012 | 08:43PM
Kuniarr wrote:
See, aiea7, now that all you guys have found yourselves on the losing end of public opinion you go after Ben with black propaganda.
on June 21,2012 | 12:01AM
false wrote:
People have already made up their minds on rail. No amount of negative PR will change that.
on June 20,2012 | 10:56AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Hmmm r u for TheTrain, against or on the fence ?
on June 20,2012 | 02:14PM
jankenpo wrote:
If PAC is that afraid of Cayetano then he must be the right man for the job. I hate negative politics. Ben now has my vote.
on June 20,2012 | 11:02AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Aha !!!! See we have a convert !!!
on June 20,2012 | 02:13PM
wiliki wrote:
Not desperate..... Cayetano had a serous lapse in judgement in not repaying the money.
on June 20,2012 | 11:16AM
DPK wrote:
Whatever the allegations are concerning Mr. Cayetano, where is the actual litigation? If he has broken the law, why hasn't there been any prosecution? Rumors have no value.
on June 20,2012 | 11:42AM
wiliki wrote:
No rumor... just a fact.
on June 20,2012 | 04:55PM
aiea7 wrote:
wiliki - not a lapse in memory - but an outright crook, willing to steal from the state for his personal reasons. you have to look at all what he did, that is where the real crime was committed. he knows this but refuses to acknowledge it. the antis claim peter, kirt, HART, etc. are corrupt but don't have one evidence of proof, but cayatono, there is much proof that he did hanky panky and these antis ignore that.
on June 20,2012 | 12:10PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Please get on KGMB and say that during the 6:00 PM news.
on June 20,2012 | 02:12PM
wiliki wrote:
Probabl