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Cayetano vs. Caldwell

The city’s rail project will ride on Round 2 of the political contest for the mayor’s office

By B.J. Reyes

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LAST UPDATED: 12:00 p.m. HST, Aug 12, 2012


Honolulu will have a new mayor in 2013. But whether it will be an anti-rail former governor or a former city managing director committed to seeing the $5.26 billion project through will be determined in November.

Former Gov. Ben Cayetano came away with the most votes in the primary election Saturday, but he fell short of the majority needed to win outright.

Second place went to former Managing Director Kirk Caldwell, who beat Mayor Peter Carlisle, ending his incumbency after just 20 months.

With all precincts reporting on Oahu, Cayetano received 44.8 percent of the vote. Caldwell was next with 29.5 percent and Carlisle third with 25.1 percent.

A fourth candidate, Khistina Caldwell DeJean, received less than 1 percent.

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Caldwell's strong showing and the likely joining of his and Carlisle's pro-rail backers has Cayetano running as an underdog, a position with which he is more familiar.

"Our voters are solid," Cayetano said when asked about the prospect of taking on the rail interests. "We're going to carry that into the general election."

He estimated he needs about 7 percent more in the general election.

"There are a lot of new voters coming out in the general," Cayetano said. "They tend to be Republican, independent, people who didn't have a real stake in voting in the primary.

"Kirk Caldwell's votes, all those union votes, have pretty much, I think, come out in the primary because of the (Ed) Case-(Mazie) Hirono race. So he has to get the majority of the new votes. We don't think he can do it."

Caldwell came from behind after running third in most polls at the start of the year, when he and Cayetano both announced their candidacies.

Caldwell said he has been speaking to working families at union halls and seeking their support. He now plans to court the support of Carlisle voters.

"I'm hopeful his supporters will consider my position on rail to be similar to the mayor's and they'll help me," Caldwell said, adding that he wants to grow hope in the community with rail a big part of it.

"We cannot build a 21st- century economy on 20th-century infrastructure," he said.

Carlisle conceded the election after the second printout showed him trailing Caldwell by about six points.

He wasn't without his characteristic humor when he told his supporters, "It's clear to me that we're not going to prevail tonight."

Before heading out to congratulate Caldwell, Carlisle said he plans on finishing the remainder of his term strong.

"What's next for me is to keep the city running in the exactly the same direction that it is, get the rail further along — it already can't be stopped — and then make absolutely certain that we get the Full Funding Grant Agreement to come now so that we can have that to enhance the rail project to the finish line," he said.

He also made a brief stop at Cayetano's headquarters to say hello and wish him well. Cayetano had supported Carlisle in the 2010 special election that Carlisle won over Caldwell and anti-rail candidate Panos Prevedouros.

Both Caye­tano and Caldwell would have to replenish their campaign treasuries to keep the campaigns going through the next 12 weeks.

As of the end of July, Caye­tano had the most cash on hand with $315,000. He has raised $950,500 overall.

Caldwell has raised $875,500 overall and had more than $133,300 in cash on hand at the end of July. Carlisle raised more than $739,300 overall and had $118,000 in cash to end July.

Caldwell pulled most of his support from unions, gaining as many as 20 endorsements from public employee unions and private sector unions, including two of the largest, the Hawaii Government Employees Association and the United Public Workers.

Stanley Aquino, Honolulu chapter chairman of the State of Hawaii Organization of Police Officers, said Caldwell showed he could be mayor when he was managing director and acting mayor for four months in 2010.

"He has the drive and passion to do the job," Aquino said.

Whoever wins in the end will also have to oversee a $5 billion federal consent decree to upgrade the city's aging waste-water collection and secondary treatment systems, crumbling roads and growing unfunded liabilities for retired worker benefits.

But the campaign to November is almost certain to become, like the primary, a referendum on rail.

Carlisle said he plans to continue moving forward on the project through the end of his administration in January.

"By the time we're in January, it is going to be long, it is going to be beautiful, and it is going to be the vision of tomorrow that Honolulu has needed for more than three decades," he said.

Caldwell now will have the full backing of labor unions as well as the support of U.S. Sen. Dan Inouye, who did not endorse any candidate in the primary, but is unabashedly pro-rail.

"I look forward to working with Kirk," Inouye said as he visited Caldwell headquarters Saturday night.

Cayetano will be ready.

For one thing, he said he was feeling fine after a brief health scare earlier in the week, when he was hospitalized with a bleeding ulcer. He was released Tuesday after spending two nights in the Queen's Medical Center to have the condition diagnosed and treated.

Cayetano came out of retirement in January to run for mayor, citing the rail as his signature issue and the lack of a credible candidate to take on the pro-rail interests.

Whether Cayetano can actually terminate the proj­ect has been debated through the course of the campaign. While Carlisle says the project is too far along, Caldwell says Caye­tano could kill it, and voters would come to regret the loss.

Cayetano prefers a less-expensive bus rapid transit project. But critics have assailed his plan for lacking specifics, particularly what lanes it would use and how it would affect traffic in more congested areas.

But Cayetano's biggest critic has been a pro-rail group that spent more than $1 million to try to discredit his candidacy.

The Pacific Resource Partnership, an advocacy group for contractors and unionized carpenters and construction workers, was behind a campaign called "Read Ben's Record," which raised the issue of more than $500,000 in illegal campaign donations made to Caye­tano during his last run for governor.

The state Campaign Spending Commission cleared Caye­tano of any wrongdoing, and Caye­tano accused PRP of orchestrating a smear campaign against him.

Asked if the negative campaigning against Cayetano would stop, Caldwell said he has no control over what others do, but he will continue to run a campaign on issues.

As he greeted Carlisle at his campaign headquarters, he thanked his rival for debating the issues and running a clean campaign.

Carlisle won the job in a special election two years ago and seemed a shoo-in for re-election only a year ago, with his approval rating at 64 percent in a May 2011 poll for the Star-Advertiser and Hawaii News Now. His approval rating was down to 55 percent by February.

As for his future, Carlisle said he does not necessarily plan to retire at the end of his term, and he will be checking into other employment options, which may even include another run as mayor.

"I'm not ready to roll over yet," he said. "I will not be running for any state office or any federal office, but I will certainly be running for mayor again."

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Star-Advertiser reporters Rosemarie Bernardo, Gary Kubota and Sarah Zoellick contributed to this report.






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what wrote:
Honolulu and Oahu voters have no idea what they are doing. By voting Caldwell in, they are voting for the biggest tax hike in the history of Honolulu. Rail will cost hundreds of millions of dollars to maintain and operate after it's built, and the only way to get that money is to raise property taxes. It will not be paid for by $2-$5 passenger fares, not even close. When rail goes in to operate, expect your rent or property tax to go up $50-$100 per month.
on August 12,2012 | 01:47AM
ammb3 wrote:
Kirk will say anything, and do anything to get a vote. He cannot be trusted! Remember, he was Managing Director under MUFI HANNEMANN. Kirk's main job was to focus on RAIL. Public manipulation, information suppression, lies... all part of Kirk's style. Please O'ahu, do NOT elect Kirk. He is only serving a select few and truly doesn't have the best interest of the residents of O'ahu in mind. If rail is built, debt, higher taxes (property tax, car registration tax, etc.) is in your family's future. Rail will not reduce traffic congestion!
on August 12,2012 | 03:05AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Oh no now we have 3 more months of BS and we could of had Ben to start with. Are those thart voted for Caldwell sure they want the higher tax RAIL is sure to bring? Ben had a clear majority but when you fight the Unions powers that be it becomes clear that the people need to RALLY even more to get their voices heard. Go Ben Go will be the montra for November.Go Ben Go
on August 12,2012 | 03:18AM
what wrote:
Caldwell's backers wasted over 1 Million dollars on TV ads to complain about 500,000 in Cayetano campaign contributions. That 1 million came from the pockets of union workers. How much more of union worker's money will they waste in the coming months? Caldwell is bought and paid for by unions and big business. Cayetano came out of a comfortable retirement to stop the out-of-control rail costs that will sink the City of Honolulu. Honolulu can't fix its potholes or fix its sewers, and yet we can afford the world's most expensive per capita rail? Think again.
on August 12,2012 | 03:48AM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
Technically, the "backers" were supporting Caldwell AND Carlisle. PRP left a color flyer yesterday that aked for a vote for either of them.
on August 12,2012 | 04:57AM
OldDiver wrote:
Typical StarAdvertiser article. It spends about two thirds to three quarters of the space quoting or talking about Ben. Let's even things out out and give both candidates a fair shake.
on August 12,2012 | 07:37AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
CALDWELL: manipulation, information suppression, liar for HANNEMAN---- Part of the RAIL MAFIA
on August 12,2012 | 10:38AM
OldDiver wrote:
When you have time check into who received millions in State contracts putting up government buildings in Kapolei. Cayetano's boys made out like bandits in his pay for play scheme.
on August 12,2012 | 11:12AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
I hope everyone who votes reads the Honolulu Weekly page one story about how the Carlise-Caldwell machine is destroying TheBus. ("TheBus DERAILED" August 8-14 issue.) A little truth about how John White/PRP/Carlisle et al are destroying our great bus service to try wins support for rail.
on August 12,2012 | 01:29PM
Lindall wrote:
I don't think so. Ben is the biggest shibai in town. Go Caldwell!!!!!!
on August 12,2012 | 09:27PM
lajekal wrote:
It was expected that Cayetano would have the most votes since the pro-rail vote was divided between Caldwell and Carlisle. We were wondering how much below the 50% 1 level.Now Caldwell need Carlisle support..
on August 12,2012 | 05:49PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
The ads complaining about Cayetano were from PRP (i.e., the Carpenters Union). They endorsed Carlisle, not Caldwell. Caldwell didn't run any anit-Ben TV ads.
on August 12,2012 | 06:08AM
wiliki wrote:
Yes the ads did NOT endorse any specific candidate. They just supported rail.
on August 12,2012 | 07:00AM
inverse wrote:
It is Carlisle, Caldwell, Yoshioka and other rail special interest who threw W Oahu residents under the bus by eliminating or greatly reducing City Express! Buses like the Ewa Beach to Waikiki route to divert more money to the rail project and FORCE future W Oahu commuters into a bus/train/bus commuting pattern that would easily DOUBLE their commute travel times.
on August 12,2012 | 07:27AM
OldDiver wrote:
Don't forget that Ben "Tea Party" Cayetano was supported by the special interest groups who back the Tea Party. The oil companies, the automobile manfacturers and the Highway Alliance. These are the guys who want us to forever drive cars on more freeways and keep us in the 20th century.
on August 12,2012 | 07:41AM
Poidogs wrote:
@ inverse: Aww, boo hoo, you mean you have to transfer now? OH THE TRAGEDY! I think getting to Waikiki is quicker now with the transfer at stop #131 EB or #45 WB and take the 2. The 2 uses King and Beretania streets, which is a much faster, less congested route than using Ala Moana Blvd. Of course I only know this because I actually ride the bus. Can you say the same, inverse?
on August 12,2012 | 08:23AM
PCWarrior wrote:
The ads didn't for one minute speak about the merits of rail. All they did was trump up a more than a decade old charge that the campaign spending commission chairman said were the most dishonest ads he's ever seen. He also said Ben was the most honest politician he knows. Now, Smiling Kirk, on the other hand. He paid high taxes for his house. As managing director, he reclassified his house historic and paid very little tax. When he ran for mayor, he went back to paying high taxes - he said cause he was now running for mayor. Brother, either the house is historic, or it ain't. But Kirk will do or say anything to get elected. He was Mufi's main boy. Do you really want Mufi's boys back in at city hall?
on August 12,2012 | 11:57AM
wiliki wrote:
There you go... so we hear it from a commuter who takes rail. Some of the changes actually improved service.
on August 12,2012 | 01:28PM
allie wrote:
SA got ignored by the voters..their power is zero
on August 12,2012 | 08:31AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
CALDWELL: Frontman for the RAIL MAFIA
on August 12,2012 | 10:40AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Yes, the SA went for Mufi for governor. Then they went for Mufi for Congress. Nevah work. They've gone against Ben. It'll take WWIII for Ben not to win the general. Let's make a deal. If Ben wins mayor, the SA quits making endorsements and tries to follow the journalistic rules of fairness. If nobody listens to the SA anyway, why go thru the pangs of endorsing candidates?
on August 12,2012 | 12:00PM
lajekal wrote:
The pro rail is the majorityat 56%..SA represented the voters
on August 12,2012 | 05:51PM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
Manipulation, information suppression, liar for HANNEMAN---- CALDWELL: Frontman for the RAIL MAFIA
on August 12,2012 | 10:39AM
OldDiver wrote:
Cayetano.....Mafia style pay for play money raising scheme.
on August 12,2012 | 11:14AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Blue posters are not being honest with us. The PRP ads all said they were not endorsing any candidate. Naturally, even those not known for any political sagacity could see what John White, PRP, HART, Carlise and Caldwell were doing. They were fighting Ben Cayetano because he was representing the majority of the people on O`ahu.
on August 12,2012 | 01:01PM
goinglobal wrote:
then why did he not get 50% of the vote? because rail won in yet another election.....
on August 12,2012 | 01:12PM
peaceonearth wrote:
I agree with going global. 45% is NOT the majority of people on O'ahu.
on August 12,2012 | 04:21PM
inverse wrote:
I disagree. On paper the money from PHP to attack Cayetano was coming from union dues however guarantee off the books taxpayer rail money was being channeled through 'pass throughs' from people and companies hired under the rail project.
on August 12,2012 | 07:19AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
Public TAX PAYER money being used by HART "Public Outreach" to Campaign aganist Cayetano.
on August 12,2012 | 10:41AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
IF the rail were built I wonder if there would be any money for a new stadium? Just wondering.
on August 12,2012 | 08:36AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Rail is financed by the city and a new stadium would be financed by the state. Different funding.
on August 12,2012 | 09:54AM
lajekal wrote:
Why would we need a stadium?.. add anothe 1/2% GET for the infrastructure
on August 12,2012 | 05:55PM
goinglobal wrote:
Really seems to me that the pro rail votes were over 50% while ben only got 45.....hate to bother you with facts
on August 12,2012 | 01:09PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
45% is not, and never will be, a clear majority; it is a plurality and it doesn't win in this type of race. You were predicting 70%. Didn't happen. You were also "sure" of "50% 1". Also didn't happen. Those two scenarios would have been clear majorities. Didn't happen.
on August 12,2012 | 06:11AM
wiliki wrote:
Indeed the majority of voters now live on the West side. Why would we want to cut our own throats just to satisfy special interests that opposed rail?
on August 12,2012 | 07:01AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
True wili the West side also voted 9,400 for Rail with Pine,Kahele and Santiago while Berg NO got 4,200. That tells you he does NOT listen to his constituents! He should thank Kahele and Santiago for splitting votes! His statement today" I will fight Rail to the End". Goodbye Tom.
on August 12,2012 | 08:24AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
Berg is the only one who actually ATTENDS community meetings - PINE never attends local meetings--- just is in it for developer $$$ and will run for Lt. Gov. with Aiona in two years---- City Council is just a steeping stone for PINE---- She is clueless other than what her Pro-Railer controllers tell her to say.......
on August 12,2012 | 10:45AM
OldDiver wrote:
Berg is the only one who yells and threatens people at community meetings.
on August 12,2012 | 11:15AM
pakeheat wrote:
I thought you said Tom will be gone after the primary?
on August 12,2012 | 11:58AM
wiliki wrote:
I think that I got Santiago confused with Delacruz... Am really surprized that Pine got so many votes. Anyway I suspect that Mel Kahele will endorse Pine and his supporters will vote for Pine. Berg doesn't have a chance.
on August 12,2012 | 01:25PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Keone mikaele,aka ,Tom burg.
on August 12,2012 | 07:19PM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
CALDWELL a Frontman for the RAIL MAFIA. Public TAX PAYER money being used by HART "Public Outreach" to Campaign aganist Cayetano.
on August 12,2012 | 10:42AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Hey berg.
on August 12,2012 | 07:19PM
lajekal wrote:
Saw Berg atrocious character at the APEC incident..a loose cannon and helped the pro rail cause.
on August 12,2012 | 05:59PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Combined votes for No. 2 and No. 3 were greater than the winner, No. 1. We recognize that. PRP, John White, HART, et al, kept the people's candidate from a clean win in the primary. Watch now as that desperate group will rally and all work together trying to defeat Ben and the people.
on August 12,2012 | 01:04PM
goinglobal wrote:
bottom line rail got more than 50% your guy did not.....
on August 12,2012 | 01:15PM
pakeheat wrote:
My only wish is that you gloat on rail win so much, why didn't you get 90% goinglobal? You got major endorsements from unions, you got PRP, you got Move Oahu Forward, You got Sen. Inouye, and you got with the (combined) votes of Caldwell and Carlisle, you should have made 90%? 90,000 people against rail isn't a small number?
on August 12,2012 | 03:57PM
Malani wrote:
They can try all they want to defeat Ben. But the the power of our fingers will stuck their feet in their mouths come voting time.
on August 12,2012 | 03:34PM
lajekal wrote:
Why didn't Ben get over 50%? Because pro rail support is over 50% the Majority!
on August 12,2012 | 06:02PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Those who want Caldwell are all very wealthy and have no grandchildren.
on August 12,2012 | 12:59PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
That is ridiculous, even for an anti-rail zealot.
on August 12,2012 | 02:18PM
aomohoa wrote:
I'm anti rail, but KeithHaugen did go a bit far.
on August 12,2012 | 05:20PM
lajekal wrote:
The Unions who represent the blue collared workers..now will support Caldwell
on August 12,2012 | 06:02PM
allie wrote:
well said
on August 12,2012 | 08:29AM
allie wrote:
yup
on August 12,2012 | 09:43AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
His plan is to extend the railroad to Hawai`i Kai at an additional cost to be determined after the first segment from Kapolei to the shopping center is built. That sounds very foolish, when there are better, less expensive, less intrusive solutions. Kirk clearly is not thinking about the people.
on August 12,2012 | 12:58PM
aomohoa wrote:
There is no route that would work to Hawaii Kai. That is an insane idea. I guess they want to work on making the east side ugly and noisy after they finish with the Westside rail destruction.
on August 12,2012 | 05:23PM
lajekal wrote:
Eastside already got their Kal Hwy widening...good thing the westside didm't make it an issue!
on August 12,2012 | 06:09PM
Soledad wrote:
I think Oahu's voters know exactly what they are doing. If this is a referendum on rail, then clearly there is more support for rail than you think. The votes for Caldwell and Carlisle combined total 54.6% versus Cayetano at 44.8. They got the message that we need rail, we can afford rail and it will benefit everyone.
on August 12,2012 | 01:39PM
Malani wrote:
Soledad, By themselves they came no where near a single 44.8. It took the two of them to total 54.6. A combined score did not put them in the front line.
on August 12,2012 | 03:32PM
shoogz wrote:
Soledad, this is only the primary, it will be a different story come the general election when more people will come out and vote. You are delusional if you think that percentage will hold up in the general election.
on August 12,2012 | 04:04PM
lajekal wrote:
Dan Inouye and the unions will now support Caldwell..this primary also was a wake up call for the pro-rail voters
on August 12,2012 | 06:10PM
pakeheat wrote:
we can afford rail and it will benefit everyone.- Soledad Can you give the numbers to prove you're statement?
on August 12,2012 | 03:59PM
aomohoa wrote:
If you think we can afford rail, why don't you and the other pro rail people pay for it. The Anti rail people promise not to ride it.
on August 12,2012 | 05:25PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Sole Ben won by more than 30,000 votes. Go to Aloha Stadium when get 30,000 people. That's a lot of people.
on August 12,2012 | 04:49PM
lajekal wrote:
There's more voters on the pro-rail side that couldn't fit in the Aloha Stadium.
on August 12,2012 | 06:12PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Rail will help average local residents so that they can live further where housing is at a more affordable cost. We need to make the commute for average local middle class people in Kapolei and leeward communities easier to help their quality of life. Otherwise they will have to move away to the mainland. Give state income tax credits to lower income people to offset the rail tax if necessary. The cost structure for rail is very fair with a large $1.55 billion federal subsidy to boost our economy with more jobs for locals. Don’t worry about property taxes. Property tax rates here are very low compared to the mainland such as Boston or New York. Also, renters should not worry about raised rents which is beyond their control. Landlords will charge what the market will bear and collect more profits rather than pass tax savings to renter. The important thing is for average locals to have jobs to pay for rent or mortgage. Let’s keep the rail on track so our children and grandchildren can stay here.
on August 12,2012 | 03:36AM
what wrote:
1.55 billion is only 25% of the total cost of rail, not counting cost overruns. Compare that to H3, which was 90% paid by fed including cost overruns and only 1/6 the cost of rail. Property taxes get passed on to the renter by the landlord. Honolulu residents do not want to pay higher property taxes. there will be no federal help to pay for the hundreds of millions per year to maintain and operate the rail after it's built. Money is better spent on fixing our potholes, building new highways which has far greater benefit to the community, and fixing our sewers and finding a new dump. Vote Ben for a better Oahu.
on August 12,2012 | 04:00AM
Highinthesierras wrote:
Ben, a one word answer.
on August 12,2012 | 06:09AM
OldDiver wrote:
And Ben governs with the same word. He is the candidate of "NO".
on August 12,2012 | 07:44AM
false wrote:
You obviously can afford to double your property tax to pay for this. Get some smarts and figure out what we all will be burdened with for this insanity. Ben is the way out of debt.
on August 12,2012 | 08:49AM
OldDiver wrote:
You obviously are ignorant that it is BRT which bankrupt the city.
on August 12,2012 | 08:52AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
False your numbers 44% smart and 55% dumb? Lol. I like when they interviewed the Fat Greek before the first printout! Panos predicted Ben 55%.....lol. Talk of bachi.
on August 12,2012 | 10:32AM
OldDiver wrote:
Panos used his engineering background to predict the election. Panos uses that same engineering background to make statements about transportation issues. That pretty much explains his statements.
on August 12,2012 | 10:40AM
goinglobal wrote:
Ben took illegal campaign contributions that were matched with tax payer monies. Ben also vetoed pay for play. He now has the gall to say he is doing this to end pay for play HA HA HA what a joke... Oh yea lets not forget about the teachers strike he forced..... Bottom line Rail got more than 50% of the vote Ben did not go back to retirement .....
on August 12,2012 | 01:18PM
pakeheat wrote:
Prove illegal campaign contributions goinglobal? File charges, walk the talk.
on August 12,2012 | 04:01PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Actually, $1.55 billion is one-third of the cost. The remaining two-thrids is from GET and tourists pay 30% of that. Say, that comes to a little less than $2 billion. And when it's finished it will only be half as expensive as the bus to operate and maintain. If property taxes have to be raised, they will be raised less because of rail. It's the bus and handi-van driving up the cost of public transportation the most. And their 0&M cost increases at a faster rate than rail.
on August 12,2012 | 06:15AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
So you want to make tourist feel that their vacation dollars will go further in Mexico and Jamaica. Great job PRP.
on August 12,2012 | 06:38AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
They've been paying it since January 1, 2007 and tourist numbers are better than ever this year. So much for your theory of the rail GET surcharge affecting the elasticity of demand. Apparently, demand for Hawaii vacations is a lot less price sensitive than you imagine. Good job, HTA and HVCB!
on August 12,2012 | 07:01AM
wiliki wrote:
Rail will cost hundreds of millions less than BRT to manage and operate. Support rail... it's a no-brainer.
on August 12,2012 | 07:04AM
lastcrusader wrote:
Yup it's a no brainer...use your brains people of Hawaii and vote for Ben Cayetano.
on August 12,2012 | 07:47AM
false wrote:
You are the no brainer.
on August 12,2012 | 08:50AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
Speaking of NO BRAINS- ---that's why PINE is Pro-Rail-----Doesn't attend any local community meetings---- just looking for Pro-Rail $$$$ now ---- then running for Lt. Gov in two years.
on August 12,2012 | 10:48AM
wiliki wrote:
Isn't Delecruz the Democratic candidate? Pick him over Republican Pine any day....
on August 12,2012 | 01:18PM
aomohoa wrote:
Making up stories again? You need to get back on your medication.
on August 12,2012 | 05:27PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Tourists come to Hawaii because it the most desirable vacation in the most beautiful place. Tourists do not look at taxes to base their travel destination on. Hawaii is one of the most expensive vacations as far as hotels, car rentals, etc. Tourists come here because they want to come here and can afford it. We get the high end tourist that will spend a lot and will pay the general excise tax. That is our system and it works.
on August 12,2012 | 09:32AM
pakeheat wrote:
And if there is another terrorist attack, do you agree the tourist numbers will be the same?
on August 12,2012 | 12:00PM
aomohoa wrote:
The tourists are really going to enjoy looking at the ugly rail too. LOL! They come here because it is beautiful. Is the rail beautiful. H**L NO!
on August 12,2012 | 05:29PM
MakaniKai wrote:
Very good point al_kiqaeda IF I lived on the mainland and wanted visit an island I would go to Jamaica. The birthplace of Reggae and Usain Bolt. Much better deal than Oahu the SOCAL of 21.3069° N, 157.8583° W. Aloha.
on August 12,2012 | 03:00PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
as if, honolulu and waikiki runs circles around that pilau 3rd world tourist trap
on August 12,2012 | 06:39PM
allie wrote:
no hon..the real cost will be much higher as we all know.
on August 12,2012 | 08:32AM
aomohoa wrote:
Allie you never realize how annoying it is when you call people hon. it is very condescending! Maybe that's OK in North Dakota but not here.
on August 12,2012 | 05:31PM
allie wrote:
yup
on August 12,2012 | 08:32AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
More HART and PRP money - ripped off from TAX-PAYERS and Carpenter Union Dues - which they have NO CHOICE-- used for the RAIL MAFIA -----to LIE and DECEIVE.
on August 12,2012 | 10:50AM
goinglobal wrote:
Please tell me you dont think Ben hasn't ripped of tax payer monies??? 500,000 illegal campaign donations that were then matched with taxpayer funds to a cool million dollars he should never have received. Then he gave no bid contracts to all his illegal campaign contributors in kapolei... He did all this by vetoing the pay for play bill. Sorry to bother you with facts...
on August 12,2012 | 01:22PM
pakeheat wrote:
FACTS? PROVE IT goinglobal?
on August 12,2012 | 04:02PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Renters pay what the market will bear whether it includes increased property taxes or not.
on August 12,2012 | 09:21AM
ResponsibleCitizen wrote:
You bit the bait hook line and sinker. Who is going to pay for this? Yeah you might get a job, for now, bit what are you going to do when the money runs out?? The price tag is too high and the benefits are to little to justify the huge amounts of tax dollars that need to be spent to make the project work. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see this. You must be one of those Pacific Resource Partnership hacks trying to continue the brainwashing campaign.
on August 12,2012 | 04:12AM
wiliki wrote:
There'll be well over a billion dollars in additional investment in areas near train stations when rail is built. It'll be well worth the amount that Honolulu-ites will pay in additional GET. We don't even feel the GET incremental cost now.
on August 12,2012 | 07:06AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Price tag too high? Rail will cost much less than the bus to operate and maintain. By 2025, the cost of TheBus will be triple that of rail. Rail costs 43 cents per passenger mile. TheBus costs 80 cents PPM. Transit oriented development (TOD) will continue for decades and decades after the rail system starts operating in about three years. We can't afford not to build rail!
on August 12,2012 | 07:07AM
OldDiver wrote:
The real budget buster is the cost to operate and maintain TheBus. Want to bankrupt the city? Kill rail.
on August 12,2012 | 07:46AM
false wrote:
RAIL is the budget buster. We can't afford something that serves so few and costs so much. Rethink the solutions to traffic.
on August 12,2012 | 08:51AM
OldDiver wrote:
The majority of growth will be on the Westside. Time to educate yourself on rail and not rely on the phony claims from Ben "Tea Party" Cayetano.
on August 12,2012 | 09:10AM
goinglobal wrote:
So how many people are served with the H3? Mayor wright housing?
on August 12,2012 | 01:24PM
MakaniKai wrote:
Okay riddle me this- you point out it cost too much to operate The Bus and will bankrupt the city. Does that mean local workers currently employed by the C/C will begin losing their jobs to fund employment for construction and future operation of the rail? Aloha.
on August 12,2012 | 03:18PM
aomohoa wrote:
I don't know why OD likes to call Ben The Tea Party Cayetano. The Tea Party is just sick of politics a s usual. Is that a bad thing?
on August 12,2012 | 05:33PM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
HART and PRP money - ripped off from TAX-PAYERS and Carpenter Union Dues - which they have NO CHOICE-- used for the RAIL MAFIA -----to LIE and DECEIVE.
on August 12,2012 | 10:51AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Wrong, blue. For the cost of one $7.7 million 36-seat rail car, we could add 30 state-of-the-art new buses,taking thousands of cars off the roads and solving the traffic problem that used to be the City's reason for building the railroad. You either ignore the facts, or choose not to understand them.
on August 12,2012 | 01:07PM
false wrote:
It's clear from the election numbers that a lot of people need to go back to Kindergarten and 1st grade to learn how to add. Number sense to the millions benches at 4th grade. Billions is beyond the grade levels. These voters have no concept of a Billion and its liabilities. Beyond their understanding.
on August 12,2012 | 04:33PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Oh please Uku, your paste ups are full of smoke screen. Rail has nothing to do to help people live further where housing will be affordable. And what is your price range for affordable housing and if you know where they're located make it known to the average local residents so they will be able to live further and purchase their affordable house. And who's we that need to make commute easier to help their quality of life? Rail is out of the equation when you specifically speak of how the quality of life may improve and help all the local people. Lower the cost of food, clothing, utilities, fuel, GET and property taxes, real estate, medical insurance plans, upgrade public school facilities, improve the condition of the highways, roads and streets. It's sad that you only focus on the rail and rail will never be the determining factor on whether people will continue to live here or relocate. You should get out of your rail box and enlighten your perspective of how people of the whole island are enjoying their quality of life whether they're rich, middle class, poor, homeless, military, tourist or locals. Presently, the majority of the population of Oahu, have more important issues to overcome than the rail especially when the rail system is still an uncertainty.
on August 12,2012 | 05:22AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope the way to improve our economy is to re-elect Obama and Democrats to Congress. Why fall to Ryan's voodoo Republican economics....

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/ryan-in-two-numbers/


on August 12,2012 | 07:09AM
aomohoa wrote:
Let's keep making the USA a welfare country. Everyone wants the government to take care of them. People need to take responsibility for them selves and take better care of themselves.
on August 12,2012 | 05:36PM
allie wrote:
Uku is back and will continue to blog for cash. He is glad that the runoff will go on as it extends his PRP contarct!
on August 12,2012 | 08:32AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
City Council is just a steeping stone for PINE---- She is clueless other than what her Pro-Railer controllers tell her to say.......PINE is only in it for $$$--- never attends local community meetings.
on August 12,2012 | 10:47AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Bergggggggg! Stop, she sure pretty.
on August 12,2012 | 07:22PM
3012708737 wrote:
Looking forward to the train.
on August 12,2012 | 10:50AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Another "blue" spin. Ignore it.
on August 12,2012 | 01:05PM
soshaljustic wrote:
It will be at least $3-$5 HandiVan fares placing the burden of the costs of rail on kapuna and disabled communities which cannot afford them on limited budgets. THAT has been the experience of communities Nationwide with a rail system. HONO what you do to hurt not PONO! HONO n PONO a puppet or a master planner the big difference in the general, this split vote is shibai!
on August 12,2012 | 03:50AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Sorry, but your numbers are completely wrong. Please see Chapter 3 of the June 2012 Financial Plan for the rail transit project. Rail costs increase less than the bus or Hand-van. And according to the advocates for the elderly and poor, rail will expand their mobility along the H-1 corridor.
on August 12,2012 | 06:20AM
wiliki wrote:
Time to get my senior bus pass and throw away my car when rail is here.
on August 12,2012 | 07:11AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
What a total bunch of BS--- Sounds like the usual PRP BIG LIE for Brainless Voters
on August 12,2012 | 10:53AM
wiliki wrote:
I googled the plan. No beeg ting. Here's a link to the Financial Plan. Go to sheet 52 for a good graph of the O&M Costs which shows the small share of rail increasing only slightly from 2020 to 2030 while the more labor and fuel intensive Handivan and TheBus have large increases in the 2020 and 2030 period.

http://www.honolulutransit.org/media/112797/20120628v1-hrtp-ffga-financial-plan-final.pdf


on August 12,2012 | 01:15PM
kahuku01 wrote:
By the time the rail gets here your senior bus pass will be obsolete and will require to catch the Handi-Van since you won't own a car anymore.
on August 12,2012 | 02:41PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
thank mansho for that, lose money....
on August 12,2012 | 06:45PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Certainly you don't believe any part of that erroneous financial plan. None of the numbers in that plan have been substantiated and most have been proved to be wild guesses.
on August 12,2012 | 01:09PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Now, you say the voters don't know what they're doing. They know exactly what they are doing. They voted for rail 55% to 45%. Ben spent most of this effort and money in the past month, pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into TV, radio, signs and online ads on this site. And he's stuck where he was when the Star-Advertiser polled a month ago. All of that didn't move the needle at all. Look's like your buddy, Tom Berg is going down, too, and will be replaced by pro-rail Kym Pine on the Council. Joey Manahan, who's also pro-rail, is taking Romy's seat. Nice!
on August 12,2012 | 06:05AM
wiliki wrote:
Voters on the West Side will come out to vote this year in November because it's a presidential election. And the Republicans need to be avoided. They want to kill social security and medicare in the plans of radical economist Paul Ryan who's running for the Republican Vice-Presidency.
on August 12,2012 | 07:16AM
allie wrote:
agree..lingle wants to hurt hawaii
on August 12,2012 | 08:34AM
aomohoa wrote:
That's a stupid statement Allie.
on August 12,2012 | 08:52AM
allie wrote:
it is true
on August 12,2012 | 09:44AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
remember superferry....
on August 12,2012 | 07:00PM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
HART and PRP money - ripped off from TAX-PAYERS-------- Carpenter Union Dues - which they have NO CHOICE-- used for the RAIL MAFIA -----to LIE and DECEIVE.
on August 12,2012 | 10:53AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope.... HART and PRP = TRUTH
on August 12,2012 | 01:01PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Doc# 2012-08-14...First Circuit Court...Writ For Restraining Order of Protection. We the City Council of Honolulu, place an order of Restraint on Thomas B.S.Berg. Effective immediately...
on August 12,2012 | 07:25PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Most of the folks on the "West Side" oppose rail because it will not meet their needs and will cost more than they can afford. My friends in Wai`anae and Nanakuli say they will have to drive to Kapolei, park, take a shuttle bus to a train station, the expensive ride to town, then walk, take a cab or bus to work or school. And most know they cannot afford the high cost of constructing the Mona Lisa monument or the operation and maintenance of the most expensive (per mile) railroad in the world.
on August 12,2012 | 01:12PM
igrinds wrote:
Voters on the west side are pro-rail because they think that everyone else will ride rail. There's this mysterious group of people out there that will leave there cars in mass and ride a train to town. Self interest is involved as a majority of pro-railers think that rail will afford them an easier commute in their vehicles. The pollsters have understood this for a long time. Look at all the big cities that have rail. It's only worked when driving into a city is cost prohibitive. Here in Honolulu we just build a brand new parking structure for city employees right next to the main police station. If the city were serious about rail it would not be building more parking structures to make it easier for government workers to drive to work.
on August 12,2012 | 02:21PM
Wazdat wrote:
its is mostly union workers or family who vote for kirk. they DONT care about the state they just want a gravy train.
on August 12,2012 | 07:12AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Attacking union workers? Their families? Wazdat you donkey.
on August 12,2012 | 08:27AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
nails....
on August 12,2012 | 07:02PM
cabot17 wrote:
For decades, people on the Windward side and East Honolulu have blocked any new residential development in their areas. This has pushed all new residential development to the Ewa Plain. As a result, the people of West Oahu now control the political future of this island, because they have the most votes. Now Caldwell will crush Cayetano in the general election because he will get all of Carlisle's pro-rail votes. The people of the Windward side and East Honolulu can live in their nice uncrowded neighborhoods, but they have lost the power to control Oahu politics forever. This is democracy in action. The majority rules!
on August 12,2012 | 08:32AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Yes, people who live in the best areas are happy with the status quo and don't care to help the people struggling on the west side right now. They don't realize that the majority of them have children and grandchildren who will not be able to afford to live where they are. When they start being more forward-thinking, they will support rail for a better future for everybody.
on August 12,2012 | 09:45AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
You don't seem to know any people on the West Side. Some have been misled, but many know better.
on August 12,2012 | 01:13PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Uku: "Forward thinking?" What makes you think that the people on the west side are struggling right now. Many people throughout the Island are struggling whether they're from the east, south, north or west. All it takes is some common sense not to support the rail and forward-thinking is your type of thinking. Duh!
on August 12,2012 | 02:56PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
absolutely hated that morning commute from wai'anae valley to halawa heights and kalihi kai, pray no accidents or flat tires, not that socal traffic is any better.....
on August 12,2012 | 07:09PM
islandsun wrote:
No, westsiders have been controled by mainland developers and their bought off politicians. That hasnt happened anywhere else on the island because the community fights back to protect their aina.
on August 12,2012 | 11:18PM
joewilly wrote:
Carlisle says Ben cannot stop rail, while Caldwell says he can. Two idiots. Like blind leading the blind. Both of these clowns need to go. At least Ben knows exactly what to do when he get in. I, and many other people are appalled at Caldwell showing up with his scantily clad teenage daughter at his public outings. Shame on you. Put some clothes on girl.
on August 12,2012 | 10:31AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Last night, the lame duck Carlisle said he will do everything he can to spend as much of the rail money as he can, to make sure that if Ben kills the rail, the people will lose hundreds of millions or dollars. He has a one-track mind and it has nothing to do with what is best for the people who will be forced to pay for his mistakes. He is willing to take the blame so that Caldwell won't have to accept any responsibility for wasting the money or screwing the taxapers and voters.
on August 12,2012 | 01:15PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
Although Ben didn't get a majority of votes, there are a lot of people that are against rail. That should tell Carlisle that this project is foolish. Instead, he just wants to jam ahead and spend as much as possible before the new mayor takes office. It's like sour grapes...very immature of him.
on August 12,2012 | 05:17PM
goinglobal wrote:
Funny according to you these two idiots got more pro rail votes than ben so who exactly is the fool
on August 12,2012 | 01:28PM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
RAIL MAFIA - PRP spent more than $1 million to try to discredit his candidacy. ------
on August 12,2012 | 10:36AM
aomohoa wrote:
I guess we will have 3 more months of wasted money for mud slinging ads against BEN. Money that could be put to better use.
on August 12,2012 | 11:35AM
goinglobal wrote:
Yes thay could spend some of it on Tom berg too since he sets such a good example for everyone....
on August 12,2012 | 01:29PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
yup, like against lingle and djou.....
on August 12,2012 | 07:13PM
niimi wrote:
Every city in America that put in a mass transit rail system saw their property taxes skyrocket. In each instance that property tax hike was held back until well into the construction of the system.
on August 12,2012 | 12:53PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The solution is to kill rail and to elect Cayetano under whose administration traffic congestion relief would finally come to Oahu.
on August 12,2012 | 04:22PM
false wrote:
Thank you for validating the obvious. Where do these voters think the money is going to come from? Even with stopping rail, at 1% penalty of the original contracts is hefty bite for seniors. Do we really want double our property tax for the welfare of the few in Kapolei? You're talking about the whole island financing the West side construction and rail.
on August 12,2012 | 04:38PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
50 percent of the rail line runs from the stadium to Ala Moana. That's not west side. Honolulu is the beneficiary of the Rail. Don't said Kapolei, it's not even in the heart of Kapolei.
on August 12,2012 | 07:31PM
islandsun wrote:
Rial is for Hoopili and the rest of the new developments going online. Rail is for the mainland developers and contractors with the construction unions and politicians getting their cut.
on August 12,2012 | 11:21PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
It is important now that even those who support building the most-expensive (per mile) railroad in the world, get the facts before the next election. And I don't mean the misinformation being provided by the John White, PRP, HART, Carlisle, Caldwell group. Their ads are just to promote rail and smear the people's choice, Ben Cayetano. Ask the difficult questions and hold them responsible. Don't be misled again. Your grandchildren, who will pay dearly if the proposed railroad is built, will always wonder why you let this happen.
on August 12,2012 | 12:56PM
goinglobal wrote:
please stop whinning you lost the election twice now 2008 people voted for rail... 2012 pro rail vote 55% Ben vote 45%. Tom Berg on his way out too. Stop the lies and please stop the whinning you lost....
on August 12,2012 | 01:30PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
thank you, they make it sound like they can change the law with ben in office, good luck
on August 12,2012 | 07:16PM
drt wrote:
Keith, that's the scary part about this whole rail situation that pro railers don't seem to understand. Property tax will rise and the majority of this island will not use rail it'll be too inconvenient. Pro railers see rail just like a race horse wearing blinders; one view and nothing else.
on August 12,2012 | 01:31PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The solution is to tell the people that under a Cayetano administration traffic, congestion relief would finally come to Oahu and there is no more need for rail.
on August 12,2012 | 04:23PM
false wrote:
Either that or they don't own property so have no liability or are they on the take?
on August 12,2012 | 04:39PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Drt, pro railers see the future. Anti railers seemed to be the over 55 yrs. Gang that see their taxes going up. I know taxes will go up! That's the norm. Most anti have the luxury of getting a break on taxes because of senior citizens rights. Both income and property taxes. The pro voters will pay more taxes, but that's ok! Why, their children will benefit. You guys have the blinders on.
on August 12,2012 | 07:36PM
frontman wrote:
Our ork is not over.we need 7% of the supporters that voted for the other two guys. There is more than 20% of them that don't want the taxes of rail, so Ben is in great shape. The name calling of the pro-rail group is not going to work. Vote BEN, Vote NO RAIL.
on August 12,2012 | 01:18PM
false wrote:
Then we need to promote what the tax liability is going to be to meet the needs of this construction.
on August 12,2012 | 04:41PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
7% of ,what was that?? Carliars voters? The she eps that voted for Carliar, the cheat! Oh, ok...
on August 12,2012 | 07:38PM
wondermn1 wrote:
Caldwell is MUFI the second OH MY GOD !!!!! Vote Ben ios November Go Ben Go
on August 12,2012 | 03:19AM
OldDiver wrote:
And Ben is, the second coming of Ben. "Oh My God".
on August 12,2012 | 07:48AM
allie wrote:
we are all voting ben!
on August 12,2012 | 08:34AM
OldDiver wrote:
Ben has the backing of the Tea Party. Chose your sides carefully.
on August 12,2012 | 08:53AM
goinglobal wrote:
funny I count the votes as 55% rail Ben 45% ha ha ha
on August 12,2012 | 01:31PM
false wrote:
Laugh it up. We'll be laughing when you have to pay up. The old people have homes that are paid for. You young ones have a mortgage and get ready for a huge tax bill especially in those high market areas around Rail. Looking forward to your laughing!
on August 12,2012 | 04:43PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
...and it's going to be years of worse traffic congestion as they try to force-build rail. Imagine how construction will tie up traffic for a decade. I'm looking forward to laughing as people grumble about that.
on August 12,2012 | 05:22PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
So you one old people,false. Tax breaks on property and income tax,eh. Own your house? So why you worry. Let the young family bury themselves in taxes. You not going live long. Enjoy...
on August 12,2012 | 07:40PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
doubt it, most of my ohana didn't vote for ben....
on August 12,2012 | 07:18PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Rail is still alive and well! Rail will provide a transportation alternative to those who cannot drive or do not wish to have the frustration of driving in clogged traffic. For people who do drive, traffic will be better with rail than without it. We need the large rail project to create jobs and help our stagnating economy. The people that will work on the rail project are our own families, relatives, friends and neighbors. As our economy recovers with billions of dollars in economic activity as a result of the rail construction, this will stimulate other commercial and residential development around the transit stations. We are still in a shaky economy and we should take advantage of every opportunity to create jobs. More jobs translates to more earnings and more consumer spending. Our state can only prosper with economic activity. The half-percent general excise tax collected to build the rail is relatively painless to pay as people generally do not make their expenditure decision on the basis of one-half percent of the cost. Does a half a cent deter you from buying a McDonalds one dollar double cheeseburger? Does one half percent tax stop you from buying your new car? If it does, you cannot afford the car without the tax. We can afford the rail because the cost is spread out fairly such that everyone no matter what their financial situation pays tax only to the extent that they are able to spend. Tourists and other non-residents also pay general excise tax to help us pay for rail. The federal government is also subsidizing $1.55 billion and if we don’t build this project, the money will go to other states. Rail will keep our economy prospering and provide a needed transportation infrastructure that will benefit our children and grandchildren. Money spent on rail is not wasted money. The money goes to hard working average middle class locals who need jobs. Building the rail will improve our quality of life in the best place to live in the world. We need the rail and we need to keep building it.
on August 12,2012 | 03:34AM
soshaljustic wrote:
Hono local like eat bettah 2 than mac and don's all da time! like some dim sum plates 2 uku but no can and nevah will with steel track on my land rais'n proppateetaxsezs__rail dah reezon. No mattah___ nevah take enuf uddah peeples land in eminent domain. Tired of da "I takem-no givem" opala talk already. When ppl gonna learn?
on August 12,2012 | 04:02AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
The people apparently understand quite well what's in their best interest and showed it by giving the pro-rail candidates 55% of the vote. Rail will prevent sprawl and preserve more ag land and rural areas. That's why the Oahu Chapter of the Sierra Club endorsed it.
on August 12,2012 | 06:23AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
How do you boil a frog alive? You heat the water slowly so it doesn't notice.
on August 12,2012 | 07:15AM
wiliki wrote:
The Sierra Club fully realizes that we need to build more houses on the windward side and East Side to balance out the traffic from the West Side IF rail is not built.
on August 12,2012 | 07:20AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
Caldwell was Hannemann's LAP DOG-----Hannemann was Inouye's PRO RAIL THUG.
on August 12,2012 | 10:55AM
aomohoa wrote:
I love the way you twist the % and facts. Three more months of lies from you and your gang.
on August 12,2012 | 11:37AM
wiliki wrote:
If we don't get rail now, then we'll have to wait until there is urban sprawl and total gridlock all over the island when there'll be stronger public support for rail.
on August 12,2012 | 12:59PM
aomohoa wrote:
I hope I'm dead by then. I don't want to live in the ugly place the rail would create.
on August 12,2012 | 02:05PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
I hope so too...
on August 12,2012 | 07:41PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Ben easily won the election, but the two losers combined votes kept the public from having a new mayor until after the general election.
on August 12,2012 | 01:17PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
You still can't add. Anti railers never had and never will have a majority. You keep yapping about the majority being against rail, but can NEVER deliver at the ballot box. When Cayetano still has his 44% in November and gets beat will you still refuse to accept the fact that you are just plain wrong?
on August 12,2012 | 02:13PM
kahuku01 wrote:
KR: The total count or percentage for this election are not an indication that all the people voted for or against rail. People voted for the candidate and for personal preference not because Cayetano's platform was to stop rail. Many voters throughout the island voted for Carlisle or Caldwell for personal reasons not because of the rail. For some of you, the rail have become an obsession. There's more important subjects that are higher in priority than the long range rail project. We have to face the problems of the present and not one that is ten years away.
on August 12,2012 | 03:26PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
I don't disagree with your point that there are a lot of important issue besides rail. However, it wasn't the pro-rail candidates or supporters who couched this election as a referendum on rail, it was Cayetano and the anti-rail faction that did that.
on August 12,2012 | 06:19PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
BS
on August 14,2012 | 11:50AM
ammb3 wrote:
Dan grabauskas, you're up early...
on August 12,2012 | 04:27AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Your paste up is melting away because it's like nailing jell-o to the wall! And life goes on and Uku "When you're in it up to your ears...it pays to keep your mouth shut."
on August 12,2012 | 05:33AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Uku: We've heard all that bull before and anything you say is just full of smoke screen. Your story telling is the thing of the past. You're trying too hard to push rail and it's not working because many of your featured paste-ups are reruns!
on August 12,2012 | 03:05PM
ResponsibleCitizen wrote:
The numbers are proof positive. Nothing but the same old same old in the results so far. Cayetano should have won outright with his opposition to rail, but the powers that be will outspend his camp and continue to brainwash the sheep that graze on this island. Keep on grazing sheep, keep on grazing. Just don't cry when the grass runs out...
on August 12,2012 | 04:06AM
wiliki wrote:
Keep dreaming... When more voters come to the general election, Ben will be losing at an even higher percentage. Ben wants to back a loser like an expensive BRT system whose operating and maintenance costs will be hundreds of millions more than rail. And BRT wont fix our future traffic congestion problems.
on August 12,2012 | 07:24AM
ResponsibleCitizen wrote:
I beg to differ. I think more voters equal more of a landslide AGAINST rail.
on August 12,2012 | 08:07AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Ben could take the wind out of the sail of all rail ads that have been successful citing traffic congestion by making traffic congestion relief and not BRT as his campaign platform on transportation. That should kill rail once and for all for without traffic congestion rail can not justify its existence.
on August 12,2012 | 11:10PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Republican citizens like to use the sheep theory.
on August 12,2012 | 08:29AM
OldDiver wrote:
Heh, funny hearing that sheep theory coming from viewers of Republican TV (Fox News).
on August 12,2012 | 08:56AM
allie wrote:
yup
on August 12,2012 | 08:34AM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
In an interview with Linda Lingle last night, she said that she believed that we can't afford rail and the type of rail that was selected is unimaginably huge (will ruin Hawaii). Even Duke Aiona is against it. Interesting.
on August 12,2012 | 05:02AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
LIngle demonstrated her shocking lack of knowledge about the project last night. Mazie will be able to point out that Lingle cost Honolulu tax payers millions by authorizing a bogus study to delay the EIS--a study, by the way, that has already been proven wrong. Then she refused to sign the EIS, delaying the project and forcing the City to pay almost $200 million in change orders because of the delays she caused. The tiny Republican Party on Oahu is against rail (except, apparently, Kym Pine). So what?
on August 12,2012 | 06:30AM
Wazdat wrote:
no linda has a great shot at wining and sendinf mazie packing her bags. WHAT HAS MAZIE DONE ?????
on August 12,2012 | 07:16AM
ResponsibleCitizen wrote:
Anything Obama wants
on August 12,2012 | 08:03AM
allie wrote:
mazie gets my vote and full support!
on August 12,2012 | 08:35AM
OldDiver wrote:
I can tell you what Lingle has done. Left a $1.2 billion budget deficit for Abercrombie. Lost $1 billion in taxpayer money on wall street.
on August 12,2012 | 08:58AM
cabot17 wrote:
Mazie will crush Lingle in the general election. No doubt about it.
on August 12,2012 | 11:27AM
wiliki wrote:
Republicans were trying to make rail a wedge issue. They just didn't realize that they were on the wrong side of the wedge. People want and need rail.
on August 12,2012 | 07:26AM
ResponsibleCitizen wrote:
Nope. Uncle Benny almost took the 50 1. He'll pull it off in November. Hawaii is waking up and starting to think, in spite of the brainwashing.
on August 12,2012 | 08:06AM
wiliki wrote:
Almost?... He was off by 6 points. No way.
on August 12,2012 | 12:51PM
goinglobal wrote:
how did you get that I count the vote as 55% pro rail and 45% ben seems to me he loses in november.
on August 12,2012 | 01:35PM
shoogz wrote:
sorry, your reasoning is simple minded, the election process is more complicated than that.
on August 12,2012 | 04:13PM
aomohoa wrote:
Excuse me, the the pro rail side were the ones slinging all the mud.
on August 12,2012 | 08:59AM
wiliki wrote:
Not mud but depicting the truth. It takes a while before it sinks in with the public. It'll start with a strong endorsement of Caldwell by Carlisle.
on August 12,2012 | 12:53PM
aomohoa wrote:
What took a while was finding out about all of the corruption surround the rail. All the lies and not even half truths.
on August 12,2012 | 02:08PM
hawn wrote:
How quick people forget, remember the year 2002, Lingle vs Hirono, who won that one!
on August 12,2012 | 09:20AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
It was cayetaNO that cost Hirono the governorship. He was a terrible governor. All the dems ran from their party.
on August 12,2012 | 10:36AM
wiliki wrote:
That's true... IIRC some teachers voter for Lingle because of Ben.
on August 12,2012 | 12:54PM
aomohoa wrote:
No Lingle is right . I feel sorry for the people , IF the rails continues. The ones that won't be able to enjoy their view or peace any quiet any longer.
on August 12,2012 | 11:40AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
remember superferry.....
on August 12,2012 | 07:24PM
aomohoa wrote:
Yeah. I want it back. Please!
on August 12,2012 | 07:38PM
akuman808 wrote:
Caldwell failed the smell test, again. Kirk true leadership is stepping forward and denouncing PRP outright. If it smells like dirty politics, looks like dirty politics then it is dirty. Both you and Carl-liar now claim to have run clean campaigns because you allowed this super pac to do your dirty work. Well it didn't work and you enter the general damaged goods. Union support abounding for you is the "pay to play" at it's finest. Go Ben!
on August 12,2012 | 05:35AM
kalihiboy2 wrote:
Trust me I live in DC it"s cost more to upkeep and run it waste of tax payers money and the people that can afford it have better jobs Think About It!
on August 12,2012 | 06:28AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
For some reason, I don't trust you, probably because your data is wrong. Rail systems across country cost less to operate and maintain than buses. The maintenance cost is much lower, but in the case of automated systems, like Vancouver, B.C. and Honolulu, there are no drivers. Drivers on bus and light rail systems are the biggest part of most transportation system budgets. For example, OTS has about 1,800 employees, most of them drivers for TheBus and TheHandi-van. Rail transit will have about 300--big difference.
on August 12,2012 | 07:13AM
OldDiver wrote:
Kalihiboy2 trusts Ben Cayetano who trusts Con-Man Cliff Slater.
on August 12,2012 | 08:59AM
aomohoa wrote:
You are so wrong. BlueBreakers. The infrastructure of this country is falling apart. That certainly included the bridges and the rails. No money for fixing it.
on August 12,2012 | 11:42AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
blues (Caldwell) and the other three pro-rail posters don't care about the infrastructure or the people.
on August 12,2012 | 01:21PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
metro rail systems in the US all lose money. Why build a loser. Add buses and that will take cars off the roads,NOW. There is a solution but Caldwell and Carlisle couldn't figure out how to make money for themselves by solving our traffic p roblems with TheBus.
on August 12,2012 | 01:20PM
matsudo wrote:
If people will be willing to pay $800,000 for a home in Hawaii (that is what the paper said Hawaii is looking forward to), then I am sure the people can afford to pay for rail. If you think $800,000 for a home in Hawaii is ridiculous, then you better start concentrating on something else besides rail. Ben lives in Waialae Iki side and Lingle lives in Hawaii Kai. What makes you think they understand the traffic on the west side? Ben used to live in Mililani, but I guess the traffic was way too much for him to handle. I'd vote the for the person who is against any development like Ho'opili and Koa Ridge because stuff like that is only going to make traffic more unbearable. Instead of homes, let's build more businesses in West Oahu. Let's bring the Permit office back to West Oahu and close the town branch. Let's make the people in East Honolulu drive to the West side for their state and city jobs! Then let's talk about mass transit!
on August 12,2012 | 06:28AM
Wazdat wrote:
What, if you chose to live on the westside you should know the traffic is bad. STOP COMPLANING
on August 12,2012 | 07:17AM
Poidogs wrote:
Ah yes, because a house in Waialae Iki is totally within the budget of most middle-class home buyers. Give me a break, Wazdat. Some people can't afford to by a home closer to town.
on August 12,2012 | 09:05AM
matsudo wrote:
And some can't even afford to rent, especially in town. Let's just get all the homeless people to live on the streets in Waialae Iki and Hawaii Kai . . . maybe even on the beaches in Kailua!
on August 12,2012 | 10:16AM
matsudo wrote:
I am not complaining. In fact, I prefer to live on the West side away from the East side and town. The government talks big about making a second city, but they are slow to move their offices this way. Perhaps it is because most of them live in town? I suppose your backyard, Wazdat is in Kahala??
on August 12,2012 | 10:13AM
Wazdat wrote:
no, I live in mililani, but I get sick of people thinking they are owed something like a train since traffic is bad. Live with the CHOICES you make and stop thinking everyone OWES you something.
on August 12,2012 | 10:50AM
matsudo wrote:
Watch your lip Wazdat and stop jumping to conclusions. I do NOT think anyone owes me anything! I work for what I get. I hope you are welcoming Koa Ridge.
on August 12,2012 | 01:22PM
goinglobal wrote:
Well that explains it your H2 merge onto the wrong side of H1 is half the problem. You want to kill rail fine then close the H2...
on August 12,2012 | 01:38PM
aomohoa wrote:
Let's get our 2nd city going in the right direction. That is what Lingle talked about last night. Keep our Westside people on the westside.
on August 12,2012 | 11:44AM
Poidogs wrote:
Sounds like Lingle wants to keep the "Riff-raff" out of Hawaii Kai. LOL
on August 12,2012 | 01:33PM
aomohoa wrote:
Poidogs you are an a**. How dare you insult people. I live on the Westside. You don't even know what you are talking about. My home is beautiful and I live in a wonderful planned community. I don't have a shack next door. I moved where things were affordable and beautiful.
on August 12,2012 | 02:13PM
false wrote:
Well, said. West side has some awesome properties. Let's keep that a secret along with the beaches and the surf. West side proud.
on August 12,2012 | 05:20PM
matsudo wrote:
Peter Carlisle should go back to being a prosecuting attorney. That fits him best.
on August 12,2012 | 06:32AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Yes there was Petey Piper yesterday continuing to lie thru his teeth to the end.Threatened to keep spending as much as he could on rail till the day he's out. Discarding the will of the people. No one can stop rail. It's here and no one can stop it. PRP begs to differ Mr. Mayor with well over a million reasons.. And Pete threatened to run for mayor again. Pete: listen son, you will never be mayor of Honolulu, or even Hawaii Kai, again.
on August 12,2012 | 12:09PM
Loki wrote:
Yawn....same people different day. Our politicians remain the same year in, year out.
on August 12,2012 | 06:56AM
wiliki wrote:
Ben's opponents received about 55% of the vote. This is a vote against rail.
on August 12,2012 | 06:56AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Wiliki, I'd say the 55% who didn't vote for Ben were a vote FOR rail. Remember, the Star-Advertiser poll by Ward Reserach a month ago. Ben had 44%. Last night he got, 44%. Hmmmm, it looks like all that money he spent on ads and chili rice propaganda rallies did not move the needle one iota.
on August 12,2012 | 07:17AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Ben didn't have the money that his opponets -- Carlisle, Caldwell, White, PRP, HART, Grabauskas -- could spend on the Smear Cayetano campaign. But now, as people learn more facts, they will ignore the smear and vote for Ben.
on August 12,2012 | 01:25PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Let me help you out here wiliki...This is a vote *for* rail.
on August 12,2012 | 07:22AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Indeed you are correct, wiliki. The rail ads using traffic congestion to justify rail has been very successful. The antidote to a rail ad campaign using traffic congestion as its theme is a traffic congestion relief campaign which would justify killing rail
on August 12,2012 | 08:10AM
wiliki wrote:
Hey... don't make so much of a typo... I mean that this is a vote FOR rail....
on August 12,2012 | 12:49PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Engineer, you know that is not true. Polls show that a majority oppose the sillyl rail and will vote for Ben to stop it. Carlisle voters will be split ... those who are very wealthy and want to force poor people to ride a train will support Caldwell. Those who care about the people and who don't want to saddle their grandkids with the O&M costs forever, will vote for Ben.
on August 12,2012 | 01:23PM
ResponsibleCitizen wrote:
IF ANYONE THINKS VOTING DOESN'T MATTER, THEY ARE WRONG. THE IMPORTANCE OF PARTICIPATING IN AN ELECTION HAS BEEN DOWN PLAYED AND BRAINWASHED INTO THE MINDS OF THE YOUTH AS A WASTE OF TIME. This is YOUR government, they work for YOU, and if you don't like what is going on, then it is YOUR responsibility to FIRE their azz and put someone else in the office that will work for YOU and not for their own self interests. Remember, YOU ARE GOVERNMENT, they are not your rulers, they are your employees, if your employees F-up then fire em and get someone better.
on August 12,2012 | 07:09AM
pakeheat wrote:
HEADLINES SHOULD BE CORRECTED- "CAYETANO vs CALDWELL-CARLISLE.
on August 12,2012 | 07:16AM
Kuniarr wrote:
The rail ad campaign using traffic congestion as its theme has been successful in 2008 and in 2012. For the November 6 election, the antidote to the Traffic Congestion theme used successfully in the rail ads.. a Traffic Congestion Relief without new construction theme in anti-rail ads can be the antidote and swing over rail voters to anti-rail.
on August 12,2012 | 07:38AM
Kuniarr wrote:
It is important to remember that rail proponents have nothing to justify rail except Traffic Congestion. A Traffic Congestion Relief without new construction campaign should be the antidote. By making the public know that traffic congestion relief done in other states and other countries can be accompliished on the H1 without new construction would make sense of killing rail.
on August 12,2012 | 07:46AM
lastcrusader wrote:
Carliar is arrogant...says that nothing can stop rail. It is the same old machine ramming it down our throats just like they ram it down the throats of the political wh%##s who service them.
on August 12,2012 | 07:59AM
goinglobal wrote:
Funny it was on the ballot in 2008 and voted for by the people. In 2012 the people voted again yesterday 55% pro rail and Ben only got 45%
on August 12,2012 | 01:40PM
aomohoa wrote:
The vote "for rail" was deceptive and the blank votes counted as yes. How does that prove anything. That was just a sneaky way of slipping it by and starting the payouts.
on August 12,2012 | 02:15PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
There still is a LOT of people voting against rail. It should be more like 80% that is required to push a project of this magnitude along....more like consensus.
on August 12,2012 | 05:29PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Here is a sample of information on Traffic Congestion Relief information campaignhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzXP-6wagzI
on August 12,2012 | 08:04AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
4 more months of kuni bs.....brt,vsl,ECG,Portland,Seattle,at grade,bla,bla,...
on August 12,2012 | 08:34AM
OldDiver wrote:
And Kuniarr doesn't even live on Oahu. Hehe.
on August 12,2012 | 09:00AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Of course you, OldDiver are a non-resident rail blogger. It is apparent whenever the discussion is about the Zipper.
on August 12,2012 | 01:54PM
goinglobal wrote:
all of his bs did not get ben any votes and will not get ben any votes in the future
on August 12,2012 | 01:41PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The events will teach us in its hour. November 6, 2012
on August 12,2012 | 01:56PM
Kuniarr wrote:
4 more months of kuli as heckler in this forum and trash and nothing more but trash in all his blog.
on August 12,2012 | 01:53PM
Mahina808 wrote:
I am a union member, but can sure tell you that all these unions do is take fees from us and never help like they should. No, I did not vote Caldwell like all the Unions endorsed. I am anti-rail and feel that it will not help ease the congestion on our roads. People are so influenced by the fact that the rail will reduce traffic so there will be less cars on the roads. What makes them think so? When was the last time they rode a bus? Park and ride was not successful and yet rail offers a similar concept, but wasting our money to build something above ground. This rail project is truly a bunch of BS. Uncle Ben knows best and will clean Oahu up after the mess that Lingle and Carlie put us in!
on August 12,2012 | 08:00AM
lastcrusader wrote:
I hope that there are more independent union voters like Mahina808!
on August 12,2012 | 08:08AM
shoogz wrote:
Yup...Mahina808 you are right.
on August 12,2012 | 08:50AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mahina needs to remember uncle Ben raiding the ERS funds. If she is a government union, then he raided your funds! More then you would ever pay for rail. Over $350 million 12 years ago is lost dividends BIG time! That equates to over a Billion dollars in today's standards. Wow, slamming the kupunas.
on August 12,2012 | 08:38AM
OldDiver wrote:
You forgot to mention, to balance the budget Ben also raided the hurricane fund.
on August 12,2012 | 09:01AM
aomohoa wrote:
Gov. Neil Abercrombie today authorized a $42 million raid from Hawaii's Hurricane Relief Trust Fund. Remember this OD. You only remember what you want and twist the truth!
on August 12,2012 | 11:52AM
aomohoa wrote:
No comment OD??
on August 12,2012 | 07:43PM
lastcrusader wrote:
Slamming it down our throats before all has been accounted for is not fiscal responsibility...it is arrogance that they build pillars and then tell you that no matter what it is going to happen.
on August 12,2012 | 09:23AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Unions are not bad as they represent workers who are our own family, relatives, friends and neighbors to survive in our high cost of living state. Rail will provide new jobs for average locals in both the public and private sector. Average locals who already live here need jobs so they don't get squeezed out by rich foreigners bidding up the cost of real estate. Support rail if you want your children or grandchildren to be able to stay here.
on August 12,2012 | 09:57AM
matsudo wrote:
Hawaii has always been a strong union state, and you are right that the unions nowadays only think abou themselves. It is time we bust all the unions and get rid of them all. Government employees especially should not have a union. It is more than rail or no rail that we need in Hawaii. We need to minimize how many vehicles each household can own, and we all need to start sharing vehicles per household or use public transportation and our own two feet--walk or bike! We have beautiful weather here, yet we use our cars to go three short blocks to drop our kids off at school or go to Longs or the grocery store down the street. Point blank--we are spoiled with our vehicles. When the UH system starts up next week, see how bad the traffic gets and then you'll also have time to look around and see how many single-car drivers we have on our roadways--way too many for a beautiful state. We need to limit at the most TWO cars per household and jack up the registration fee 100 times for each car. Then we need to enforce the rules and impound the cars that do not have current registration, insurance, and/or safety checks. We will see the difference on the streets then.
on August 12,2012 | 10:29AM
pakeheat wrote:
matsudo, excellent points and too bad rail won't make a huge difference.
on August 12,2012 | 04:10PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Trying to change everybody's behavior to carpool, bike or walk and regulating the usage of every car according to people abiding by rules and laws is easier said than done. The easier solution is to provide rail as a superior alternative that people can choose at their will. Smart people will see the benefit and ride the rail.
on August 13,2012 | 01:42AM
aomohoa wrote:
Mahina808 thank you using your head and not be swayed by what you are told to think by the union leaders. I belonged to a union for 30 years. I hated it. The loser employees were never fired and when they were always upping our dues.
on August 12,2012 | 11:49AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Traffic congestion relief on the H1 without new construction is long overdue. Other states and other countries have accomplished traffic congestion relief using modern technology that makes the highway "smart". Smart in a way that the when it is detected that congestion is forming on the highway drivers a mile or more before the forming congestion would be told to slow down by gradually reducing the speed limit on electronic signs. So that vehicles going thru a bottleneck can go thru quickly. (source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzXP-6wagzI)
on August 12,2012 | 08:02AM
allie wrote:
the solution lies in electric busses hon
on August 12,2012 | 08:35AM
aomohoa wrote:
Quit saying hon. It's annoying!
on August 12,2012 | 11:54AM
Aquarius1 wrote:
and ....."Yup". Allie has a limited vocabulary. Go read a dictionary!
on August 12,2012 | 12:55PM
WesleySMori wrote:
"YUP", "HON"!!! "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!!
on August 12,2012 | 04:55PM
aomohoa wrote:
LOlL! I love it WesleySMori
on August 12,2012 | 07:44PM
Kuniarr wrote:
allie, what makes you think that the kind of vehicle such as an electric bus on the H1 addresses traffic congestion caused by a bottleneck - such as the Middle Street merge or whenever one or two lanes of the H1 is closed to traffic?
on August 12,2012 | 04:02PM
Smiley7 wrote:
Blank and over ballots? Auwe!
on August 12,2012 | 08:07AM
islandsun wrote:
Cayetano needs to do better with female voters and his own countrymen. He needs to get more filipinos to register and eventually vote for him. These two areas will get him a "W" in November but the rail criminals will shoot for those groups also.
on August 12,2012 | 08:31AM
shoogz wrote:
You are right, they are already targeting the filipinos by saying the Manila train works...so it should work here. Too funny...
on August 12,2012 | 08:54AM
OldDiver wrote:
According to the Civil Beat analysis of the poll numbers, Ben's only chance in November is a poor voter turnout. expect more negative ads from Ben.
on August 12,2012 | 09:04AM
aomohoa wrote:
I expect more lies about BEN.
on August 12,2012 | 11:55AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Ben's chance in November lies in combating rail propaganda based on traffic congestion with traffic congestion relief propaganda. A short video clip of how traffic congestion relief is accomplished in other states such as for example on the I-270 should remove the rug from the traffic congestion rail propaganda.
on August 12,2012 | 04:06PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Rail propaganda has been very successful using traffic congestion to justify rail. Without traffic congestion to stand on, rail propaganda collapses and with it rail and Caldwell.
on August 12,2012 | 04:08PM
islandsun wrote:
Anyone but the low informed will know that the scrapmetal is for developers so they can carve up the aina. This rail was NEVER about traffic. The westside developers will add so many more cars to the roads current residents will need rail to get out of their driveways.
on August 12,2012 | 08:00PM
lastcrusader wrote:
yes...these thugs, unions, pacific resource, big businness, uncle dan may literally shoot them.
on August 12,2012 | 09:25AM
soundofreason wrote:
You ever invite somebody out to eat, offer to pick up the tab, and then THAT person asks the waiter to bring over the dessert cart? How many of these pro-railers actually pay Hawaii State Income Tax? or do they just show up and order dessert at everybody else's expense?
on August 12,2012 | 08:34AM
shoogz wrote:
I shall feed thyself before all others.....
on August 12,2012 | 08:57AM
false wrote:
The war is on. This is going to get dirty and ugly. We have seen the edge of it already. 45% have already declared this RAIL is a fiasco. The Bus System was already efficient and just needed to be expanded. Dedicated transit lanes would have solved the problem. Why is this logic so inconceivable? The monoliths of this RAIL system are going to ruin the Hawaii that we keep trying to hang on to. Going forward and sustaining the cultural sanctity is essential to our definition and market value. Idiots are throwing the remote and sacred views under the bridge. Plan on us not giving up for RAIL. Don't need to double our property taxes in a lifetime. The rest of you who think this is a FREE RIDE without broad tax liability are unconscious or ?
on August 12,2012 | 08:34AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Most other man-made structures such as massive freeway viaducts and high rises are not very attractive either. The sleek elevated train ride will give a pleasurable ocean and mountain view and the best view will be of the sorry cars stuck in choked traffic as you whiz to town.
on August 12,2012 | 10:36AM
soundofreason wrote:
Cayetano Camp: I'm a supporter, but I'm also a realist - and I'm concerned that the impact of this rail monster is NOT reaching voters in a way they can touch and feel ......until it will be too late. If the Carlisle crowd shifts to Caldwell - we're looking at a 54% problem later. Hawaii's voters are the same voters who have been bamboozled into making Hawaii the THIRD MOST indebted state in the nation. The everyday financial impact is NOT being conveyed. Convincing statistics - yes but what it MEANS to everyone - EVERY day is NOT being conveyed. How will it FINANCIALLY effect EACH of us...EVERY day. Additional outcries for internal auditing throughout the city needs to be responded to as well. A comittment from the Feds to fix our EXISTING bottlenecks at EIGHTY percent funding would go very far in addressing the BASE CAUSE for those who want a solution to our very real traffic problem. Rail was the only thing offered - so it appeals to many. They took it as it sounds better than nothing. FIX THE CAUSE!!! Don't llet Hawaii voters vote themselves into being the SECOND most indebted state next. Apparently they've been great so far on asking for stuff they can't pay for. Explaing what "paying" for it actually means and maybe their voting "habits" will change.
on August 12,2012 | 08:56AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
The problem here is that a lot of residents here do not know what true intolerable gridlocked traffic is on a daily basis is. We think it is not that bad or it’s only once in a while that traffic is real bad. We think that traffic is only real bad when something unusual happens like when the truck hit the Aiea overpass. Think of that kind of traffic on a daily basis. Other cities have that kind of choked traffic every day such as Los Angeles I-405, San Francisco leading to the Golden Gate Bridge or New York City in and out of Westchester County. Before the Big Dig was completed, Boston had horrendous traffic, although it is still bad. This kind of traffic for us is just around the corner to inform those who are in denial. We have been having some relief with students out for the summer. When the 57,000 students return to school, we are again going to have to endure the horrendous gridlock on the H-1 freeway. Bus Rapid Transit stealing lanes of the freeway and major thoroughfares will only make car drivers angry. That is why we need the rail on its own elevated right of way to be an alternative transportation solution as well as providing relief to road traffic. We absolutely need to do rail now for a better future.
on August 12,2012 | 10:01AM
soundofreason wrote:
"The problem here is that a lot of residents here do not know what true intolerable gridlocked traffic is on a daily basis is. We think it is not that bad or it’s only once in a while that traffic is real bad. We think that traffic is only real bad when something unusual happens like when the truck hit the Aiea overpass. Think of that kind of traffic on a daily basis. ">>>So, think of something fictitious to justify rail? Fix the current FLOW bottlenecks and "traffic" will be FINE!
on August 12,2012 | 10:53AM
aomohoa wrote:
I so agree soundofreason!
on August 12,2012 | 11:56AM
Kokoy wrote:
The problem here is that a lot of residents here know what true intolerable gridlocked traffic is on a daily basis is. We think traffic is real bad. We think that traffic is real bad and when something unusual happens like when the truck hit the Aiea overpass. Even with the rail we will have that kind of traffic on a daily basis. Other cities have that kind of choked traffic every day such as Los Angeles I-405, San Francisco leading to the Golden Gate Bridge or New York City in and out of Westchester County. Before the Big Dig was completed, Boston had horrendous traffic, although it is still bad. This kind of traffic for us is just around the corner to inform those who are in denial. We have been having some relief with students out for the summer. When the 57,000 students return to school, we are again going to have to endure the horrendous gridlock on the H-1 freeway. Bus Rapid Transit using lanes of the freeway and major thoroughfares will alleviate the traffic. That is why we do not need the rail on its own elevated right of way to be as an alternative transportation solution as well it will not be providing relief to road traffic. We absolutely need to cancel rail now for a better future.
on August 12,2012 | 01:39PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Uku: You're trying too hard! This same boring paste-up was in yesterdays paper. You must be desperate when you have to start recycling your paste-ups.
on August 12,2012 | 03:48PM
aomohoa wrote:
I guess there will just be more ugly pillars to tear down when Ben is elected. I can only hope people come to there senses. Where do they think the money will come from. THEIR TAXES! The monstrosity would have to be maintained. IF the rail is ever completed I will be unhappy when my taxes go up. I am just really happy that it will never go any where near my nice peaceful neighborhood in Ewa Beach. I won't have to hear or see it. OUR beautiful Island would become like NYC. I'm a country girl. I hate noise and I love nature.
on August 12,2012 | 08:57AM
GorillaSmith wrote:
Great result. 55 % of the electorate are clearly pro-rail - something we already knew. Let's unite behind Caldwell and wish Ben a happy retirement.
on August 12,2012 | 08:58AM
lastcrusader wrote:
Funny 25% of the vote went to the most arrogant of rail supporters and he finished 3rd.
on August 12,2012 | 09:27AM
Wazdat wrote:
oh great so 55% of the population is not that bright.
on August 12,2012 | 10:52AM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
Now you can see why teachers have it so hard today. People don't comprehend well and don't do their homework.
on August 12,2012 | 05:34PM
lastcrusader wrote:
right..they think they know how to do simple math
on August 12,2012 | 07:00PM
lastcrusader wrote:
55% of last nights vote is not 55% of the population and only 42% of registered voters came out!
on August 12,2012 | 06:59PM
hawn wrote:
The next two months will reveal that rail is a big money making project for the rich and powerful in Hawaii as Ben states. Pro rail thought they had it in the bag for the primary with all the smear on Cayetano.
on August 12,2012 | 09:06AM
mililanihi wrote:
PRP will target anyone in position who has the power to stop rail. Would PRP target Kirk if he was anti and Ben Pro? The new ad would be “read Kirk's record.com” All about the money and nothing else. It's a sad day in Hawaii politics. We have Ben who is pulling out all the stops in this election to bring it back home to the people where it rightfully should be. The people of Hawaii can stop or proceed with rail if they choose do so come November. Your choice will be one that may affect you and or your family for the rest of your life. I'm totally for any type of alternative transportation be it rail or BRT as long as it's justified. But in the case of this rail project, it's obvious that common sense is being ignored.
on August 12,2012 | 10:20AM
BRUDDAHS wrote:
Honolulu will have a new mayor in 2013. HALLALUJAH. How can one man serving only 2 yeras in office, put hawaii's residents in debt for many, the rest of their lives. Something is defintly wrong with our political system.
on August 12,2012 | 11:05AM
SOLID3 wrote:
The state Campaign Spending Commission cleared Caye­tano of any wrongdoing, and Caye­tano accused PRP of orchestrating a smear campaign against him. These are the kind of political BS that others will do to control power over the people of this city. That is why The Great Frank Fasi had to battle so many because he was always a fighter for the people. Ben Cayetano is taking the same fight for all of us, the People. Vote for Ben and get all your family and friends to do the same. Shaka!
on August 12,2012 | 11:07AM
JFMJEM wrote:
I understand about the rail how it is a tax hike but what else is Cayatano planning? Is he just a one trick pony? How about the roads, sidewalks, city programs, police department, fire department, and everything else going on in this city? All he talks about is rail, rail, rail. Make me questions if he is the right person to be our Mayor.
on August 12,2012 | 11:36AM
shoogz wrote:
Cayetano already stated that fiximg the city's infrastructure is one of his priorities. Ben is a fair man and will do what is best for the people and not special interest groups.
on August 12,2012 | 12:09PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Ukuleleblue: Very sly to be using two different username. Ukuleleblue and Kakoy. Trying to hide behind Kakoy! Both names using the same blog in this forum. Time to take your meds.
on August 12,2012 | 04:15PM
ready2go wrote:
Congratulations Ben! We're depending on your leadership!
on August 12,2012 | 11:41AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Man the most disgusting thing from last night was the lightweight reporting of Gina Lollabridgida on KHON interviewing John White. She had a chance to confront him on so many bogus charges but she just rubbed his but with olive oil. Left it to Joe Moore to bring in some sanity back in the studio.
on August 12,2012 | 12:11PM
pakeheat wrote:
Yes, didn't know the reasons of bringing him on television, just more of the slime ball tactics, and it's sad.
on August 12,2012 | 04:12PM
niimi wrote:
From 0% to 44% support in just 7 months. That's the kind of momentum that Tulsi Gabbard brought. Ben is going to garner even more support in the next two months. Imua, Ben!
on August 12,2012 | 12:52PM
niimi wrote:
It is probably good that there is a General Election run-off. This can waste more union dollars before rail is killed.
on August 12,2012 | 12:54PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Get ready for the real mudslinging to begin. Hang on folks, we're in for a ride until November.
on August 12,2012 | 12:57PM
honokai wrote:
a lot of people have different opinions on things
on August 12,2012 | 01:20PM
Kokoy wrote:
Rail will not help average local residents so that live further where housing is at a more affordable cost. We need to make the commute for average local middle class people in Kapolei and leeward communities easier to help their quality of life. Otherwise they will have to move away to the mainland. Give state income tax credits to lower income people to offset the rail tax if necessary. The cost structure for rail is very large, a $1.55 billion federal subsidy to boost our economy with more jobs for locals is a pipe dream. Worry about property taxes. Renters should worry about raised rents which is beyond their control. Landlords will charge what the market will bear and collect more profits rather than pass tax savings to renter. The important thing is for average locals to have jobs to pay for rent or mortgage. Let’s keep the rail off track so our children and grandchildren can stay here.
on August 12,2012 | 01:36PM
aomohoa wrote:
Good, well be better off with out you on the road.
on August 12,2012 | 02:02PM
igrinds wrote:
Once I found out about Caldwell taking the tax break for historic homes, one in which he helped create, I wrote him off. It's seems like a small thing but it's an example of what's wrong with this city/state. To many people playing the system to get ahead. He's also prostituting himself out to the unions and what many union members don't understand is that they too have to pay property taxes, sewer fees, taxes of every kind hidden or called by different names. Once rail is built the city will have to use revenue from different sources to run the thing. Same as TheBus. Homeowners will be held hostage as they will be the first to be punished. Next will be drivers and owners of cars. Just look at those two things today. Homeowners are getting slammed buy sewer fees and car owners via registration and fuel taxes. When this thing is build the maintenance will be huge. And, no one has talked about the energy needed to run the thing. It will not be run on wind, let's get that straight.
on August 12,2012 | 02:13PM
igrinds wrote:
Everyone knows that every summer when U.H. is out of session driving to town is way more pleasant. I think over the next ten years we should move all undergraduates out to the west side. This would be the smart thing to do but as you know things aren't that easy to implement in this town.
on August 12,2012 | 02:23PM
PCWarrior wrote:
You could move UH to West Oahu and also build an on-campus stadium there. And it would be a heck of a lot cheaper than rai.
on August 12,2012 | 04:59PM
WaialaeGuy wrote:
Well, you Cayetano voters have come up short on your "sure" victory. It's going to take three more months of campaigning to put your man in office. Three more months of slinging mud in both directions.
on August 12,2012 | 03:19PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Traffic Congestion Relief on the H1 is what the Cayetano camp needs to use in combating the highly successful rail propaganda of traffic congestion to justify rail in 2008, 2010 and 2012 primary. A campaign video clip similar to the short video clip from a You Tube on how traffic congestion is to relieved on I-270 should once and for all destroy this myth that rail propaganda has woven for four years on traffic congestion justifying rail.
on August 12,2012 | 04:15PM
Kuniarr wrote:
A short video clip as that shown on the You Tube on how I-270 traffic congestion is relieved counters rail propaganda justifying rail with traffic congestion. For a campaign that tells the people that traffic congestion on the H1 can be relieved under Cayetano appropriately counters rail propaganda using traffic congestion to justify rail.
on August 12,2012 | 04:19PM
false wrote:
"We cannot build a 21st- century economy on 20th-century infrastructure," he said. So fix the roads and sewers and water and bus. That's the infrastructure to keep Hawaii.... Hawai`i. Some people just don't get what it is that we sell as Hawai`i. It's getting to be another California. Go to Maui and put up Rail. It will be a nice addition.
on August 12,2012 | 04:19PM
Papakolea wrote:
I wish the Star Advertiser would do a story on exactly what it would take to stop rail. The voters approved it 2 years ago. Can the mayor really stop it by an executive order? The hike in the GET was approved by the legislature. Can the mayor really just unilaterally decide to redirect the money to sewers and roads? People are acting like Ben can stop rail if he gets elected but can he really?
on August 12,2012 | 04:47PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
I wish they would do a story about how much the fare gates and rail fares would be. All that is HIDDEN for a reason.
on August 12,2012 | 05:37PM
shoogz wrote:
Federal Funding of rail project REQUIRES the signature of the chief executive officer (Mayor) of Honolulu. If Cayetano wins this election and is in office when approval for federal funding comes before him, he will not sign it. No funding. No rail.
on August 12,2012 | 06:41PM
lastcrusader wrote:
Carliar said last night "It does not matter who gets in as Mayor the rail will proceed" Today he said "Vote for Caldwell because he is the only choice that will insure that rail proceeds" ???
on August 12,2012 | 06:52PM
lahawaiian wrote:
I voted for Carlisle because he seemed like a no nonsense honsest independent guy. Even though i am pro-rail, my vote in November will be for Cayetano. After all the negative ads by the unions has turned me completely off to anyone they support. GO CAYATANO!
on August 12,2012 | 07:43PM
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