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Cayetano's support stretches across rail's path

By B.J. Reyes

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LAST UPDATED: 12:59 p.m. HST, Aug 14, 2012


Former Gov. Ben Cayetano won 33 of the 35 legislative House districts on Oahu on his way to becoming the top vote-getter in the mayoral primary election Saturday.

The remaining two districts were won by former city Managing Director Kirk Caldwell, who finished second, ahead of the incumbent, Peter Carlisle.

Although Cayetano had a strong showing across the island, it was not enough to give him more than 50 percent and an outright victory.

He and Caldwell advance to a runoff in the general election on Nov. 6.

Cayetano, the anti-rail candidate, led with 90,944 votes, or 44.7 percent. Caldwell was next with 59,955 for 29.5 percent. Carlisle finished with 51,087 votes, for 25.1 percent.

A fourth candidate, Khistina Caldwell DeJean, received 1,289 votes, less than 1 percent.

As the vote totals came in Saturday night, Cayetano said he had never experienced the level of enthusiasm from supporters as he had in this, his ninth campaign for office.

"I feel pretty good," Cayetano said Sunday at the state Demo­cratic Party's traditional post-primary Unity Breakfast. "I'm a Demo­crat but my race is nonpartisan, so I'm going to just run my race."

With Carlisle out, Caldwell is now the sole pro-rail voice and already has the backing of labor groups, including endorsements from 20 public and private unions. While his totals combined with Carlisle's would be enough to top Caye­tano, Caldwell said he understands it is not a foregone conclusion those voters will show up for him in the general election.

"I see myself as someone who needs to work tremendously hard," Caldwell said Sunday.

"I'm running against a man who was a two-time governor, two-time lieutenant governor, 38 years in elected office, a formidable candidate, can raise money like no one else, and I have to work real hard.

"I think if I do what I need to do, I'll be in the race on election day."

A breakdown of House districts shows Caldwell will have to work harder in areas farther from the proposed 20-mile, Kapolei-to-Ala Moana rail route.

Cayetano fared best in the places where the rail won't run, including Nuuanu, Punchbowl, Moiliili, Waikiki, McCully, Kaimuki, Diamond Head, Kahala, Aina Haina and Hawaii Kai.

The vote count was somewhat similar in the North Shore and Windward districts, with Caye­tano winning most of those convincingly, topping out at 54 percent in District 50 (Kailua-Kaneohe).

Even in Manoa, Caldwell's home district, Caye­tano took 44 percent, compared with Caldwell's 37 percent.

Yet Cayetano also did well in District 30 (Sand Island-Kalihi-Airport), which is due to have a rail segment, winning 62 percent of the vote.

Caldwell took two districts in Central Oahu — Districts 33 (Halawa-Aiea-Newtown) and 36 (Mililani-Mililani Mauka-Waipio Acres) — but even there he was only a few percentage points ahead of Caye­tano.

Caldwell finished with 37 percent in District 33, just 3 percentage points ahead of Caye­tano, and he took District 36 with 35 percent, just 1 percentage point over Caye­tano and 4 percentage points higher than Carlisle.

The former city managing director and acting mayor for four months in 2010 was more competitive in traditionally Demo­cratic areas of Central Oahu from Halawa, Pearl City and Mililani to Wai­pio, Wai­kele and Wai­pahu.

Carlisle was competitive with Caldwell in virtually all of the districts, topping him for second in at least six districts and losing by only a few percentage points in the rest.

The incumbent managed 30 percent in just four districts, three near the heart of the rail line: Districts 40 (Ewa Beach-Iroquois Point), 41 (Ewa Beach-West Loch Estates) and 42 (Kapolei-Maka­kilo).

While Caldwell said he plans to court Carlisle voters, Caye­tano said he hopes to attract 6 percent to 7 percent more new voters in the general election, when he expects more Republicans and independents to cast ballots than did in the primary.

Although the race is nonpartisan, Caye­tano and Caldwell are stalwart members of the Demo­cratic Party.

The party camaraderie was on display Sunday, as both attended the party's traditional post-primary Unity Breakfast.

As a show of unity, Caye­tano also sat at the same table as U.S. Sen. Daniel Ino­uye.

In the first debate of the mayoral campaign, Caye­tano had called Ino­uye "out of touch" on the issue of rail and how it would affect seniors and others struggling to make ends meet.

Inouye supports rail, but he did not endorse either candidate in the primary. He visited Caldwell's headquarters Saturday and said he looked forward to working with him.

At Sunday's breakfast, Ino­uye did not make a formal endorsement.

"Well, it's not decided yet, but whoever becomes mayor, I will do whatever I can to be of help," Ino­uye said. "But I can assure you that I'm for rail, and I've been for rail for the past 35 years."

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Correction: A previous version of this story listed an incorrect vote total for Kirk Caldwell.






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what wrote:
The disconnect between where rail serves and rail show that many voters have no clue how damaging rail will be to the City. It is clear that much voters have no idea how their government is selling out to rail interests and big business that are only interested in separating them from billions in taxpayer dollars. They care not enough to think twice that the TV commercials promoting rail were bought and paid for by those who want to take their money. They have no idea that rail will create fewer jobs than the amount of local jobs upgrading our highway infrastructure would create. They have no idea that, by supporting rail, they are supporting the coming of the biggest property tax hike in the history of Hawaii.
on August 13,2012 | 02:00AM
autumnrose wrote:
Carlisle didn't care when he conceded. In his speech at Caldwell campaign he said he would continue full speed to push rail through & Caldwell would take over in January.
on August 13,2012 | 04:40AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Carlisle said he would continue to waste as much public money as he possibly can on the unwanted rail project. WOW! What a public servant! Meanwhile, everyone should take note that Ben Cayetano carried all but two districts. Caldwell won those two districts;and Carlise didn't win in any. That tells us a lot. It is a good base for Ben to build on... most people on O`ahu DO NOT WANT Carlisle's folly.
on August 13,2012 | 06:16AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
It is not fair for people who are not directly served by the rail route to deprive the people who have to live far in affordable Kapolei, Waipahu and other west side communities. The rail helps average locals. Average people will ride the rail and will get jobs from the rail construction. Average locals will benefit the most from an improved economy. On the other hand, many people who think they are rich just because they live in the best areas do not like to pay extra taxes for government services they do not need and will not use such as rail. They have theirs and don’t care about others who are struggling to make it in our high cost of living state. Retirement advisors generally consider a net worth of $2 million excluding principal residence as being reasonably set financially. Lower and middle income average local people and most retired people are not in the same boat and should not fall for the “taxes are bad” argument. Taxes provide government services that average people need. The purpose of the general excise tax Is to fairly spread cost of public services over the entire population so that everyone pays their fair share according to their financial capability. The half percent general excise tax is paying our share of the rail. Even tourists are helping to pay GE tax. The federal government is subsidizing $1.55 billion of the cost. Therefore the cost to provide this needed transportation infrastructure is covered. Rail is a government provided service for the overall benefit of the greater Honolulu area. We regular locals should see that we are the ones who will need the rail for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. The time to build the rail is now and everyone should be supporting it.
on August 13,2012 | 06:54AM
realist3463 wrote:
"It is not fair for people who are not directly served by the rail route to deprive the people who have to live far in affordable Kapolei, Waipahu and other west side communities." but it is fair that our children and grand children will pay for it? You want it, you pay for it. "Regular, average" is your problem, why do you fear to work hard and succeed? Auwe.
on August 13,2012 | 07:27AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope... Rail is fully paid for when it is completed. This is a lie that it is not paid for.
on August 13,2012 | 08:04AM
realist3463 wrote:
Who will maintain it? Rider fees? Not!!
on August 13,2012 | 08:53AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Wrong, Wiliki, There is no way that you, wiliki, can predict the future. All costs and funding for rail are mere projections. As of now the GET county surcharge collection trend is down, from $49.80 million to the 2nd Quarter collection of only $46.99 million. Based on the downward trend of the GET county surcharge it is most likely that the city may have to dig into the city's $450 million line of credit which may not be enough to cover the GET county surcharge collection shortage.
on August 13,2012 | 11:15AM
aomohoa wrote:
Do you think we believe your lies just because you tell u s something. Your agenda is self serving! By the voting results you can see that most people on the Westside don't want YOUR rail.
on August 13,2012 | 11:52AM
MKN wrote:
@wiliki: You're counting your chickens before they have hatched. The last time I checked, the year wasn't 2022, its 2012. We have no idea exactly how much money will be spent on rail from now until the completion of the project. We also have no idea how much the federal government will give us in funding in each of the years (if any) between now and 2022. Also remember that we have to spend at least a Billion Dollars each (if not more) to fix the roads and Sewers between now and then. You guys talk like we have unlimited resources when we don't. Stop the lies!!! Rail needs to be stopped!!!
on August 13,2012 | 11:55AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
AMAZING! Wiliki...are you saying you have more data than an Oxford University? Really? A published report from Oxford shows that governments have repeatedly underestimated (my guess is lied) on how much rail projects will cost and overestimated what ridership will be. Bottomline: taxes get raised.
on August 13,2012 | 12:12PM
pakeheat wrote:
wiliki, can you guarantee this? If not, would you sell you're house and donate to pay up for rail? Can you break it down each year by year the amount guaranteed? BTW, you won't be saying this if the FEDS don't give us the $1.55 billion, so your are wild guessing, so who is lying? Look in the mirror.
on August 13,2012 | 12:26PM
AhiPoke wrote:
No rail system in the nation is self supported by riders. For that matter, no public bus system does either. The difference is that bus systems lose less. If you study the proposed rail system, it will not be quicker than buses nor will it provide more seats so what's the advantage? The construction unions are in support because of the short-term creation of jobs. The public unions are in support because, over the long-term, there will be a creation of do-nothing high pay and benefit jobs. The reality is that the public will end up paying way too much for way too little.
on August 13,2012 | 02:09PM
aomohoa wrote:
Wow, I can't believe how you can just out right lie! it's it worth the money you are getting to blog? It is worth it to sell your soul to the devil?
on August 21,2012 | 12:28PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Realist3463 .."It's not fair for people who do not live near the city landfill to enjoy the luxury of clean air, clean streets and multiple monster trash trucks rumbling through their neighborhood everyday. Why should my grandchildren suffer, while yours are in a safer environment"? Auwe, no more Aloha.
on August 13,2012 | 08:44AM
realist3463 wrote:
It is about choices, life long choices. My Aloha has nothing to do with your choices and I have my own monster truck issue as a result of my choice of where to live.
on August 13,2012 | 09:09AM
kahuku01 wrote:
There's a lot of things that are not fair in life and for you to bring up "it's not fair about living near the city landfill to enjoy the luxury of clean air" sounds like whining coming from a child. If there's not much you can say about the rail , don't go digging deep for an unrelated subject. Nanakuli, I don't believe that you would stoop that low! If you need more help for rail justification, contact Ukuleleblue or Kakoy. He's got a lot of recycled paste ups.
on August 13,2012 | 10:06AM
PCWarrior wrote:
NoLiveNanakuli talking about aloha. Oh, the irony.
on August 13,2012 | 10:35AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
If you have aloha then why are trying to dump your problem on someone else? What kind of aloha is that?

My father and grandfather would have LOVED to be living where you do compared to where they lived in the early 1900's. Instead of whining and complaining they made sure all of us got the best education and taught us to shut up and just put our noses to the grindstone. Today, well, let's say we live in a much better neighborhood, own businesses and real estate. If you don't want your grandchildren suffer I would say teach them to take responsibility for their lives and not have a victim mentality.


on August 13,2012 | 12:27PM
aomohoa wrote:
You have some nerve acting like you really care Nana! You only care that you are being paid!
on August 21,2012 | 12:31PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
You don't have a clue whether a natural disaster, war or terrorist attack will break out in the next five years (or before the November election for that matter) that will slow down tourism for an extended period. Just where will that operational shortfall come from then?

You just want your incredibly thin piece of pie no matter what it does to the state future. Such a hand-to-mouth thinker.


on August 13,2012 | 12:16PM
pakeheat wrote:
another thing that hasn't been mentioned, is the economy. We had a downturn or recession on the economy at almost an average of every10 years. Wiliki is always making up false information.
on August 13,2012 | 12:30PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
cayetaNO was smart to sit on Inouyes right side at the Unity breakfast. I still know Dan had a mean left hook.
on August 13,2012 | 05:34PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Then tell your "friend" who bought the golf course home that he may be in big trouble because a natural disaster maybe wipe him out!
on August 13,2012 | 06:12PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Al kieda, your father and grandfather taught you not to whine and complain and also to shut up? Then why are you whining everyday about rail. Your grandfather taught you to be respectful of the U.S. Government system but you complain everyday about rail? What a hypocrite.
on August 13,2012 | 07:23PM
kainalu wrote:
A sad statement to make, but the statistics support it - people vote ethnicity. Regardless of Cayetano's policies, he will dominate the Filipino vote.
on August 13,2012 | 08:22AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Yeah,see he got all the Filipino in waialae-Kahala.
on August 13,2012 | 08:46AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
@kainalu -- I think boss got you there brah. I think you statement is missing a sentence or two.
on August 13,2012 | 12:39PM
aomohoa wrote:
So now Nana you are showing your aloha spirit. Is this a new approach to get people to believe your lies. You are a joke!
on August 21,2012 | 12:33PM
saveparadise wrote:
Kainalu, your statement is sad and a poor conclusion. I voted for Ben simply because he is the best candidate with consideration for the people of our island.
on August 13,2012 | 09:42AM
allie wrote:
me too!
on August 13,2012 | 12:34PM
ngoohana wrote:
me too!
on August 13,2012 | 12:49PM
allie wrote:
I am Mandan and he has my vote!
on August 13,2012 | 12:33PM
aomohoa wrote:
What does being Mandan have to do with who you vote for?
on August 13,2012 | 04:50PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Doofus.
on August 13,2012 | 10:05PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
If you're suggesting that the Filipinos are smarter that those who support rail, I think you are right. They think before they vote and they don't want to saddle their grandkids with additional higher taxes to pay for the O&M of a railroad that serves only 5-6 percent of the population but is paid for by everyone.
on August 13,2012 | 03:49PM
aomohoa wrote:
I'm not Filipino, I just have common sense:)
on August 13,2012 | 04:51PM
oxtail01 wrote:
You won't pay for the bus either then! Not very smart are you - so can't be a filipino either - hmmm.... let me guess, could it be "D....b" plus "H...."?
on August 13,2012 | 05:58PM
oxtail01 wrote:
No, the traitor will dominate Republican "white" votes and nothing else.
on August 13,2012 | 06:00PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Your racism is getting old real fast.
on August 13,2012 | 11:09PM
lastcrusader wrote:
Then just let the people directly served pay!
on August 13,2012 | 09:01AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Uku: Your paste ups are full of smoke. Previously you talked about the rich and having millions in the bank, than the middle class locals, and now the average locals and by the way what is an average local? Make up your mind otherwise I have to remind you to tale your meds. You're losing it and your thoughts are just boring and repeated over and over again.
on August 13,2012 | 10:35AM
allie wrote:
Uku is a paid blogger hon. He is happy to have a job for 3 more months!
on August 13,2012 | 12:34PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
So. Uku still has the right to comment. Doofus.
on August 13,2012 | 10:06PM
Kahaluuman wrote:
blah, blah, blah....does anyone read what ukulele writes anymore?
on August 13,2012 | 11:16AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Who?
on August 13,2012 | 12:40PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
You might want to change the flavor or your comments to be more exciting and perhaps someday you'll be able to hook many religious followers of rail.
on August 13,2012 | 01:37PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Talk about living far in Kapolei, Waipahu and other west side communities compared to Kahuku or Laie is no comparison. If there is affordable homes in Kapolei or Waipahu I sure would like to know about it. Uku doesn't know the island and is talking bubbles about how far the places he has mentioned. He needs to read a book about Oahu before he puts his mouth in gear.
on August 13,2012 | 03:26PM
Denominator wrote:
I suppose only unemployed people should vote for unemployment benefits. Only sick people should vote on health insurance. Only those who pay taxes should vote on taxes?
on August 13,2012 | 03:42PM
aomohoa wrote:
Let's see, it too many years to try to beautify Waipahu. The median was planted so nicely. Now they are preparing to have a noisy ugly rail run right through the town. Won't that look nice. NOT! Tell me if I'm wrong.
on August 21,2012 | 12:27PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Don't know much math do you?
on August 13,2012 | 10:43AM
lajekal wrote:
how may district did the pro-rail carry?..the 55% majority
on August 13,2012 | 06:43PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Whose bias color graph of Oahu is that? It's deceiving. If you had blue for rail, and red for no, then 44% of Oahu would be red and 55% blue. Rail rules.
on August 13,2012 | 07:17PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
This is yet another red flag for Carlisle and shows again his total disdain for what the people of Oahu want or do not want in the case of rail. The man is a snake oil salesman. Good with the mouth, bad with the intentions.
on August 13,2012 | 06:56AM
NITRO08 wrote:
A idiot 55% said yes to rail 45% said no. How can you say most of the people can you count!
on August 13,2012 | 07:33AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Nitro08, where did you get your information from? There was NEVER a vote taken on whether we wanted rail or not. NEVER. Now, go to the corner and put your dunce cap on.
on August 13,2012 | 01:36PM
oxtail01 wrote:
I wonder what the vote was couple of years ago!
on August 13,2012 | 04:38PM
wiliki wrote:
The majority of people want rail. Ben got only 40% of the vote.
on August 13,2012 | 08:05AM
kahuku01 wrote:
You should be happy and so what if Ben got 40% of the vote...it's not over till it's over..No big deal!
on August 13,2012 | 10:12AM
aomohoa wrote:
You can't even get your % correct. Plus he won 33 out of 35 districts. you don't care about the people you care about your own agenda.
on August 13,2012 | 11:56AM
MKN wrote:
@wiliki: Stop lying! Ben got 44.7% of the vote. Not 40%. Also, Republicans tend to not vote as much in the primary along with some other folks that may have been working that day and couldn't make it to the polls. Ultimately, we will have to see what happens in November. I will say that not every voter that voted for Carlisle will vote for Caldwell. They apparently didn't like him for some reason. Maybe its because he was Mufi's lapdog for 2 years and was heavily involved in the pay to play schemes going on with this rail project. LOL!!!
on August 13,2012 | 11:59AM
pakeheat wrote:
sorry MKN, I didn't see you're post below pointing out the same wiliki's b.s.
on August 13,2012 | 12:35PM
pakeheat wrote:
correction 44.7% not 40%, see how you like to b.s a lot?
on August 13,2012 | 12:32PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
I voted for Caldwell so that it would be a Carlisle v. Cayetano final. Yeah...I learned from the Olympics. Farewell, my dear elections.
on August 13,2012 | 12:42PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Carlisle is just pursuing his beliefs and his constituents beliefs. You call him a salesman of snake oil, I call him a man of integrity. He stated his goals, he is pursuing it. This man represented the future of Rail. Those who voted for him want Rail. Do you think his voters would swing to old man cayetaNO. Fat Greek Chance.
on August 13,2012 | 08:54AM
false wrote:
If I recall yesterday's results, Carlisle came in dead last place.
on August 13,2012 | 10:22AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Carlisle didn't win a single district. Anywhere. So many thousands agree with NoLiveNanakuli don't they?
on August 13,2012 | 10:37AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
To the voters of NO, Carlisle got 25% for Rail. That and Caldwell 29% puts Rail at 54% in November.
on August 13,2012 | 04:22PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Kuli,is it not that Rail got 55.2%? not 54% as Cayetano got only 44.8% not 46%.
on August 14,2012 | 05:54PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Never talked about what place he came in. I'm talking about his 25% going to Caldwell.
on August 13,2012 | 07:29PM
allie wrote:
ineffective mayor
on August 13,2012 | 12:35PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Ben - ineffective Gov. but of course you don't care about that!
on August 13,2012 | 04:20PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
If I recall correctly NB, your man came in dead last. Looks like he represented the minority of those who want rail.
on August 13,2012 | 01:38PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Read my endorsement last month. nANAKULIBOSS endorses Kirk CALDWELL.
on August 13,2012 | 07:30PM
oxtail01 wrote:
MAJORITY wants the rail - count the votes!
on August 13,2012 | 10:43AM
aomohoa wrote:
Wrong wrong wrong. Most importantly the people that it is suppose to help don't want it. We on the west side don't want the rail.
on August 13,2012 | 11:58AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Wrong,wrong hoa, district 1.. Rail,Pine,Santiago,Kahele...9,500. No rail Berg...4,300... We want rail that's why Berg will be gone.
on August 13,2012 | 04:25PM
luvshawaii wrote:
Pine is useless!
on August 13,2012 | 06:08PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Berg is a useless nut.
on August 13,2012 | 07:31PM
oxtail01 wrote:
What does that make Berg? I'll answer that for you - WORTHLESS!
on August 14,2012 | 12:07AM
oxtail01 wrote:
YOU'RE IN THE MINORITY - you don't speak for the "people".
on August 13,2012 | 04:56PM
MKN wrote:
@oxtail01: Not everyone who's going to vote voted in the primary election. There will be more voters come November and more than likely they will be Cayetano supporters since all of the unions seemed to have gotten the vote out. Ultimately we'll see what happens. I just hope Ben wins and kills the rail project so he can put you professional bloggers out of business once and for all!!! LOL!!!
on August 13,2012 | 12:02PM
oxtail01 wrote:
I'm a retired guy, typical anti-rail mentality who thinks any pro-rail is pros, HELLO, you can't discount ALL the voters (more than you clowns) who voted PRO-RAIL. You're right about one thing - voting in general will be heavier BUT it'll favor Caldwell because traitor Cayetano got all the Republican and cry-baby (what is it about you folks - all take after Berg?) anti-rail votes in the primary. There's far less upside to him than Caldwell. By the time the grass roots efforts of Democrats are in full force by the general election, the MAJORITY of new votes will go Caldwell's way.
on August 13,2012 | 04:19PM
luvshawaii wrote:
You lolo!
on August 13,2012 | 06:08PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
oxtail, do your homework. Where did you get your information from? There was NEVER, EVER a vote taken on whether we want rail.
on August 13,2012 | 01:40PM
oxtail01 wrote:
YES THERE WAS! Where you been?
on August 13,2012 | 03:49PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
are you really that lolo?
on August 13,2012 | 08:42PM
luvshawaii wrote:
I see it your way too. I want to save Oahu from all of this but feel so unempowered to convince others of this huge blunder.
on August 13,2012 | 05:53AM
rgy888 wrote:
And how do you fix the problem of traffic, sitting over an hour EVERYDAY after work trying to get home. Longer if there's a traffic accident. In all majior citys there's more than one public transportation services. Both rail and the bus system are needed. The traffic is only getting worse, I use to leave for work at 6:00am, now I need to leave at 5:15am to avoid sitting in traffic. In the afternoon, there's no choice except to sit in traffic for over an hour.
on August 13,2012 | 06:12AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Add buses. For every bus that is added, between 25 and 125 cars are removed from the roads. Problem solved. Caldwell doesn't want to end the traffic problem, just as he didn't want to fix roads and sewers. He wants to run a train to Hawai`i Kai.
on August 13,2012 | 06:18AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Honolulu is needs rail. TheBus has been great in the past providing award winning service and speedy one-seat commutes. Unfortunately express buses or bus rapid transit (BRT) cannot continue to be the answer. Times have changed as a result of skyrocketing population growth, traffic congestion and fuel prices in the past ten years. Operating an all bus system was acceptable in the past when individual express buses from distant neighborhoods could be run all the way to downtown at a frequent basis. However, this becomes a very cost-inefficient system requiring more fuel and more drivers. The express buses then have to eventually end up in traffic congestion with other vehicles. That is why just adding more buses into clogged roads is not a solution. Now we need to revamp the bus system and incorporate a more efficient multi-modal transportation system that utilizes a fast high capacity rail system as in most major cities all over the world. More neighborhood buses can be added to circulate much more frequently and feed to the high speed high capacity rail trunk line on its own right of way which will require transfers but will result in an improved elapsed time origin to destination for any rider. Instead of cutbacks, smaller buses serving more lighter routes can be added and fed to the rail also. Fewer buses clogged in traffic paralleling the rail trunk line will free up more buses to serve more neighborhoods networked to the rail will provide better overall service. We need the planned Kapolei to Ala Moana rail line to be built now and will probably need extensions to Waikiki and UH-Manoa soon after. And the longer we delay, the more it will cost. Rail is the proven solution all over the world and it will work here. Don’t get fooled by the naysayers.
on August 13,2012 | 06:56AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Nothing but biased nonsense.
on August 13,2012 | 11:18AM
Kuniarr wrote:
For Rail is just sheer waste of billions and billions simply because traffic congestion relief on the H1 can be accomplished by adopting and applying on the H1 the technology used in other states and countries to relieve traffic congestion.
on August 14,2012 | 10:20PM
aomohoa wrote:
All you've got is the same old c**p .
on August 13,2012 | 11:58AM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Ukuleleblue - You might want to change the flavor or your comments to be more exciting and perhaps someday you'll be able to hook many more religious followers for rail. Cut and paste with the same theme just won't do it.
on August 13,2012 | 02:03PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Ignore all the "blue" posters, they are or represent Carlisle, White, Carlson, Rollman, Grabauskas, PRP and HART. They are being handsomely paid to fight for rail and against the people. Ignore them and their repetitious posts.
on August 13,2012 | 03:16PM
NITRO08 wrote:
ADDING BUSES WOULD MAKE IT WORST! CAUSE THEY SLOW DOWN TRAFIC THE STUDY WAS ALREADY MADE!
on August 13,2012 | 07:35AM
wiliki wrote:
And adding buses would be more expensive than BRT and that's hundreds of millions MORE than rail to operate and maintain. Buses and the BRT are NON-starters.
on August 13,2012 | 08:07AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. Wiliki, with rail, not only does the city need to subsidize rail but also additional bus fleet to service the 21 rail stations. Wiliki, why do you always forget that the 21 rail stations would need the services of many buses to shuttle riders to and from the bus transit centers to each of the 21 rail stations?
on August 13,2012 | 11:22AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
HART will disclose all this AFTER the election as well as the real cost of the rail.
on August 13,2012 | 12:44PM
oxtail01 wrote:
You need smaller number of buses and less expensive ones to direct people to the rail stations. Buses can make more frequent but shorter runs because the routes and within a short radius. Add the park and ride option and you also include drivers who'll park their cars at rail station and choose to ride rail into urban centers. They'll find it's much more cost effective that way than driving into town and paying for gas and parking and lost time. I suggest you actually ride one somewhere!
on August 13,2012 | 05:51PM
MKN wrote:
@wiliki: But the BRT is much cheaper than rail. It costs 1/5th of the amount that we are currently spending on the rail system. I also question why they had to make it 40 feet high in all of the areas that rail will pass through. It really makes no sense for them to have bulit it that high in some areas like Ewa and Waipahu except to waste money and to maximize the profits for the rail companies. Either way, rail need to be stopped!!! Vote for Ben in November!!!
on August 13,2012 | 12:05PM
pakeheat wrote:
where do they slow down the traffic NITRO08?
on August 13,2012 | 01:37PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
take your pick, traffic from nanakuli to waikiki, now 7 days a week
on August 13,2012 | 08:47PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Only because this island lacks technology proficiency. For whereas other states and countries have been relieving traffic congestion using technology that makes the highway "smart", we here in this island are unaware of technological advances in this 21st century that we chose Rail as an alternative to traffic congestion instead of actually fixing traffic congestion itself as other states have been doing since 2004. The latest to adopt this technology to fight congestion is Portland, Oregon { Source: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/transportation/article/381331?archive=yes&print=1}.
on August 14,2012 | 10:28PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
NITRO08 - any directive proofs to be shared with the blogers regarding your comments "...ADDING BUSES WOULD MAKE IT WORST! CAUSE THEY SLOW DOWN TRAFIC THE STUDY WAS ALREADY MADE!..."
on August 13,2012 | 02:28PM
Kuniarr wrote:
"Students struggling with science proficiency" says in the Aug. 3 issue of the StarAdvertiser [http://www.staradvertiser.com/newspremium/20120803__Students_struggling_with_science _proficiency.html?id=164858586 ] Yes, proficiency in science and technology is lacking in children as well as adults in Hawaii. While many states in the US and other countries have been using Technology to relieve traffic congestion since 2004, Hawaii is still stuck in the 20th century. And the best that Oahu can do is Rail which does not actually relieve traffic congestion. Imagine, just imagine going thru the Middle Street Merge on a Monday morning breezing thru at 45 mph. Not the usual stop and go of 0-10 mph but 35-45 mph. This technology makes the highway smart by making drivers slow down from 60-55-45 or even 40 mph long before hitting the location of a bottleneck such as the Middle Street Merge or at a place where 2 lanes of the H1 have been closed because of an accident.
on August 14,2012 | 06:08PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
No. Adding buses takes cars off the roads and the end result is fewer vehicles on the roads and less traffic. The City will not release the facts about how buses reduce the numbers and solve our traffic problems. They have the figures, but since it disproves their rail theories, they will not release them. And for the $7.7 million cost of ONE 36-seat rail car, we could put 30 new buses on line, taking thousands of cars off the roads, right now, at a savings of billions of dollars.
on August 13,2012 | 03:53PM
Kuniarr wrote:
KH, buses, like trains, do not take "cars off the road". While other states and other countries have been relieving traffic congestion thru technology since 2004, the most that this island could do is Rail and BRT. Does nobody even care that instead of traffic running stop and go at 10 mph at the Middle Street Merge, the use of technnology would make traffic move at this bottleneck at 40-45 mph. And at any bottleneck on the H1. Without traffic congestion on the H1, rail would become sheer waste of billions and billions of county and federal monies. Why we are stuck with an old technology as Rail which does not relieve traffic congestion instead of actually getting rid of traffic congestion with modern technology is ironic and a tragedy.
on August 14,2012 | 06:19PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Sorry. I did not mean "rid" but relieve traffic congestion.
on August 14,2012 | 06:21PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Rail is just a sheer waste of billions and billions because traffic congestion relief on the H1 can actually be accomplished simply by adopting and applying on the H1 the technology used by other states of the Us and other countries to relieve traffic congestion.
on August 14,2012 | 10:22PM
rgy888 wrote:
How is that going to solve the problem? the buses will still be in traffic. I used to catch the bus and it takes well over an hour to get home. Not to mention when there's a accident, it takes two hours or more. Ilke I said, the bus will is good but, we need more than the bus.
on August 13,2012 | 12:38PM
pakeheat wrote:
Who is said anything about solving the problem rgy888? Rail is only an alternative.
on August 13,2012 | 01:38PM
oxtail01 wrote:
A good one at that!
on August 13,2012 | 06:08PM
Kuniarr wrote:
KH, buses like trains does not remove cars from the road. The solution is simple. Adopt and apply on the H1 a technology that relieves traffic congestion by making the highway smart. The latest to do this is Portland, Oregon { Source: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/transportation/article/381331?archive=yes&print=1}
on August 14,2012 | 10:18PM
Iiotoko wrote:
Unfortunately, while Honolulu barely makes the Top 50 Largest Cities in the U. S. by population list, it simultaneously is in the Top 5 Most Expensive Cities list. Cities such as New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles have much, much more resources available to them than Honolulu ever will to support a rail system. You're comparing apples to oranges when you equate Honolulu to those major cities and must realize that their pockets are a whole lot deeper, i.e., Honolulu can't afford a rail project with this kind of price tag. The traffic problem definitely needs to be resolved, but the rail isn't the right answer.
on August 13,2012 | 06:56AM
hukihei wrote:
Spot on.
on August 13,2012 | 07:38AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope rail is paid for when it is completed. We started paying for it over two years ago. It's expensive to build but cheap to maintain and operate. And it's the only system that works for our island geography.
on August 13,2012 | 08:09AM
stingray65 wrote:
Check the island Geography again. How about North Shore, Windward, and Central? Are they part of the island Geography? Are those folks will benefit the rail system? Your great Grand children will be suffering for the increase of taxes..I know I paid more than enough in the State of Hawaii.
on August 13,2012 | 10:15AM
oxtail01 wrote:
I live in Mililani - I will certainly benefit from rail, especially since I'm retired. Now, don't ask me to explain it to you since anti-rail people seem to be immune to logic!
on August 13,2012 | 05:41PM
Kuniarr wrote:
oxtail01: people who preach rail lack awareness of 21st technology, common sense and immune to logic. For while many states and countries used technology to relieve traffic congestion, here in this island we have people who instead of fixing traffic congestion using technology opted instead for an alternative to traffic congestion - rail - at billions and billions in cost. For your information, here are two links as examples of a city (Portland, Oregon) and a state (Florida) that has adopted a technology that relieves traffic congestion (1) http://www.fhwa. dot.gov/publications/publicroads/11septoct/03.cfm (2) http://www. katu.com/news/Variable-speed-limit-signs-are-coming-to-Portland-136326623.html
on August 15,2012 | 12:01AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. Wiliki, why do you keep preaching your very own version of rail data?
on August 13,2012 | 11:25AM
drt wrote:
@Oxtail, Please tell me how rail would benefit people working on Pearl Harbor, HIckam and on Ford Island since there's a lot of people on the west-side that work on those bases. They catch a bus or drive their cars to go to a rail station; pay for parking at a rail station ride the rail, then catch another bus to get in either bases. But lets not forget if you work on Ford Island your screwed anyway because they don't allow city buses to go on Ford Island. All in all how much more are you paying for a rail pass, bus pass and possible parking fees, and how much longer are you waiting? I bet it'll be longer going the rail route then driving your vehicle or catching the bus. I love the idea of public transportation but this rail project was not planned properly from the beginning and unfortunately we the tax payers will pay for it dearly.
on August 13,2012 | 07:25PM
aomohoa wrote:
You are the worst liar ever. Besides what about maintaining it. What about in 20 years when it starts to fall apart.
on August 13,2012 | 11:59AM
allie wrote:
agreed..and it will cost way more than 5 billion and everyone knows that
on August 13,2012 | 12:35PM
oxtail01 wrote:
You do maintenance so things don't fall apart - that's why it's called maintenance. If you have a home, you will know about such things. By the way, buses also require maintenance, LOTS OF IT!
on August 13,2012 | 05:38PM
MKN wrote:
@wiliki: So $300 Million is cheap to maintain? Wow, sorry eh mister moneybags!!! Are you a part of the 1% that is making a profit from the rail project? If $300 Million is cheap to you, I must be right!!! LOL!!!
on August 13,2012 | 12:07PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
@wiliki. Aw come on. Have you used a bathroom at a city park lately? Talk about cheap to maintain and operate...and it's still horrible.
on August 13,2012 | 12:45PM
oxtail01 wrote:
It is NOT cheap to maintain and operate - there's vendalism daily. Homeless use it as their home bathrooms. Surprised such "intelligent" wealthy gentleman like you can't figure that out. Ohhh...wait a minute - you're anti-rail - sorry!
on August 13,2012 | 05:36PM
Imagen wrote:
Oahu does need traffic alternatives and hopefully solutions, but not THIS ONE! Not this rail project. You cannot build credibility on anything that started with lies and deception. The worse part of this, is the CONTINUING lies and deception for which this poop is built on. where is that "esp" button when you need one...
on August 13,2012 | 11:34AM
Kuniarr wrote:
The truth of the matter is that talk should have been on traffic congestion relief instead of Rail as an alternative to traffic congestion. For while we in this island were bent on "an alternative to traffic congestion" with an over expensive rail, other states and other countries were already relieving traffic congestion without new construction with technology that makes the highway "smart". The latest to fight traffic congestion with technology is Portland, Oregon {http://www.portlandoregon.gov/transportation/article/381331?archive=yes&print=1}
on August 14,2012 | 10:37PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Haven't been reading about fiscal problems in California, have you? We have a HUGE resource - it's called tourist dollars and a higly affluent population in good union jobs and mainland and foreign transplants with money coming out of their behinds.
on August 13,2012 | 05:45PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
puni, honolulu is much larger and more densely populated than cities in oregon that have rail.
on August 13,2012 | 08:50PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Actually, rail is just a sheer waste of billions and billions simply because other states and other countries have found a way to relieve traffic congestion without new construction with technology that makes the highway "smart". Adopting that technology and applying it on the H1 would relieve traffic congestion anywhere on the H1 where a bottleneck occurs - be it at the Middle Street Merge or when an accident on the H1 closes two lanes.
on August 14,2012 | 10:32PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
It's all about getting the most bang for YOUR buck. Would you pay $65,000 for a used Toyota Corolla? That's what rail is. An overpriced, old technology project. I've always said that rail (heavy or light) could be a good thing for Oahu but I will not cave in to a project with so many question marks and few answers.
on August 13,2012 | 06:59AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
No sense giving you the answer. Almost all antis on these blogs only care about paying taxes. Their like tea party, they expect the world in services but yet don't want to pay for it and don't leave a tip. Very pake.
on August 13,2012 | 07:45PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
if it looks like manju.....
on August 13,2012 | 08:54PM
soundofreason wrote:
Rail doesn't address your problem. 15 minutes to get to a bus PLUS 15 bus ride TO the rail PLUS 20 minutes for 20 stops PLUS twenty minutes travel time PLUS 15 minutes bus ride TO your neighborhood. EIGHTY FIVE minutes so far and NONE of these calculations account for ANY bus WAIT times...so PLUS that in there. So, you're up to 1 1/2 hours MINIMUM and you've paid WHAT for these bus/rail tickets?? Nobody knows!!! Stick with your car.
on August 13,2012 | 07:25AM
oxtail01 wrote:
up to 2 hours in the car - $8 or more in gas money each way - paring in town will be $10 an hour or more OR $300 to $500 a month if you lucky enough to afford the monthly parking. I know what the bus schedule is - it takes me 5 minutes to walk to the nearest bus stop and maybe 5 minutes wait time max - during rush hours it take me less time to get into town than most drivers. Boy, what I hear from you is NONSENSE, not reason!
on August 13,2012 | 04:10PM
soundofreason wrote:
You make a good point. We don't need rail - you've got it handled with the bus.
on August 13,2012 | 06:59PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
He does sounder, so get rid of your car.
on August 13,2012 | 07:47PM
oxtail01 wrote:
ahh... but rail would make it faster yet - get it? It's called extrapolating from a given set of data - like know what MAJORITY is but of course you anti-rail folks have no idea what that is!
on August 13,2012 | 11:15PM
stingray65 wrote:
Traffic is not the problem. Increase the Bus inventory, and those who wanted to buy cars or vehicles, they have to prove to have a garage to park. It is the State law that you are not suppose to park on the side of the street overnight. The bus is very good on shedule, all they need to do fix the road in crease buses.
on August 13,2012 | 10:05AM
Kuniarr wrote:
rgy888, 21st Century technology is already bringing relief to traffic congestion in many states in the US, with Portland, Oregon being the latest to adopt this technology that relieves traffic congestion by making the highway "smart". In other countries such on the Autobahn (the over 7,000 mile long highway) in Germany, technology has brought traffic congestion relief.
on August 13,2012 | 10:23PM
Kuniarr wrote:
"How do you fix the problem of traffic, sitting over an hour EVERYDAY after work trying to get home"? EASY. Adopt a technology used in other states and countries that relieves traffic congestion and apply that technology on the H1. So, at any bottleneck such as the Middle Street Merge or when two lanes of the H1 are closed because of an accident, traffic breezes thru at 40-45 mph instead of stop and go at 10 mph. It is a fact that traffic congestion relief without new construction is already a reality with technology that makes the highway "smart". The latest to adopt this technology that relieves traffic congestion by making the highway "smart" is Portland, Oregon [source: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/transportation/article/381331?archive=yes&print=1 ]
on August 14,2012 | 10:13PM
allie wrote:
Ben is a statesmen who tells the truth. Carlisle was a joke but Caldwell will be more cyncial and sell the city out
on August 13,2012 | 06:28AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
allie, Carlisle is STILL a joke. With his time left in office, he has come out to say he will push hard for the building of rail knowing full well that Oahu voters are against this project. If Ben get elected and kills rails, all the monies to undo this project will fall squarely on the shoulders of Mufi and Peter. But they don't care.
on August 13,2012 | 07:01AM
wiliki wrote:
He knows that people support rail. The majority of the people on the island will be helped directly with rail service. The rest of the people will benefit from the investment into Honolulu in areas near rail. We expect over a billion dollars in investment when rail is built. Rail will be good for everyone in Honolulu.
on August 13,2012 | 08:13AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Rail is bad for everyone because of increased property tax and increase cost to ride the bus and rail.
on August 13,2012 | 11:29AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Bunch of baloney , kuni, bs 44% said Bad ,, while 55% said GOod Rail.
on August 13,2012 | 07:51PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Kuli, rail is bad for the people of Oahu because it leads to increased property tax and increased bus/rail ticket or monthly pass cost. In 2025, after all State projects have been completed, watch how riders commuting from Kapolei, Makakilo and Waipahu begin taking the Bus Express during morning and afternoon rush hour. In FY2025, the Nimitz Flyover [ HOV lanes on the Nimitz Flyover between the Ke‘ehi Interchange and Pacific Street (two lanes, reversible, operating inbound in the AM and outbound in the PM)] makes the Bus Express reach downtown even much faster. Then in FY2025 there's the H-1 HOV lanes between the Waiawā Interchange and the Makakilo Interchange (one lane in each direction). And with the PM zipper lane in FY2022 (on H-1 between the Ke‘ehi Interchange and the Kunia Interchange) commuting by express bus to Waipahu, Makakilo and Kapolei would be much faster than by train.
on August 13,2012 | 10:09PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Kuli, so you'll know and be more informed about the details of Rail, the State projects I mentioned above that are projected to be completed in 2022 and 2025 are found in: FINAL FINANCIAL PLAN for FULL FUNDING AGREEMENT. To see what I am talking about do this: (1) go to this link >>> http: //www. honolulutransit. org/document-library/finances.aspx (2) Download the Final Financial Plan which is a PDF document (3) Then go to Page 2-9
on August 13,2012 | 10:15PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Wiliki, how is the 20 mile stretch from the west side to Ala Moana going to help the MAJORITY of the people on Oahu? If people supported rail as you noted, why did Cayetano come in first? You sound like someone on the take on this rail project.
on August 13,2012 | 01:44PM
allie wrote:
True..but Mufi hopes you will forget his leis that got the public to accept the bad project.
on August 13,2012 | 12:36PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Allie: Perhaps you mean "LIES" instead of leis? Doofus. Remember, bob and weave and keep your mitts in front of your mug. LOL!
on August 13,2012 | 10:08PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Oahu voters should have gotten the 50 and 1 easily for Ben if they opposed Rail! Then why,pbraddah, did that not happen? If fact 55% vote for Yes.
on August 13,2012 | 07:49PM
DPK wrote:
NB: remember, the 55% was of the Democratic vote. Itdid not include Republican and independent voters. Ben will win in November.
on August 13,2012 | 09:59PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
The mayor's race was non-partisan and anybody, regardless of which party primary they voted in, could vote for mayor.
on August 13,2012 | 11:13PM
Kuniarr wrote:
No matter. Sooner or later, the technology used in other states and other countries to relieve traffic congestion will reach Oahu and be applied on the H1. The lack of science proficiency in this island among adults is evident because whereas other states and other countries have been using technology to relieve traffic congestion we in this island could only think of an "alternative to traffic congestion" with Rail. Instead of fixing traffic congestion with technology we chose an "alternative to traffic congestion" - Rail.
on August 14,2012 | 10:43PM
NITRO08 wrote:
WRONG HE IS A POLITICIAN AND HE ALSO HAS HIS SPECIAL GROUP OF PEOPLE HE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF SO STOP WITH THE BULL!
on August 13,2012 | 07:44AM
MKN wrote:
@NITRO08: They are all politicians!!! Caldwell was Mufi's lackey while the rail project was being put through the city council, so you know he's in bed with the unions. Why do you think they overwhelmingly support him? Because they're gonna get paid big time if they get him into elected office. So really Caldwell and Carlisle are the crooks taking care of their own people!!!
on August 13,2012 | 12:12PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Nitro, they're all politicians. You're almost as funny as ukuleleblue. ;-)
on August 13,2012 | 01:45PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
tell me where i can buy what you.'re burning, his legacy is far from telling the truth, look at the convention center fiasco.....take about lose money......
on August 13,2012 | 08:59PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
More lies from what!! The threat of property tax going up specifically because of Rail is pure bunk snoot. You want sewers,beautiful streets,city services, that all cost money. That causes your property taxes to rise. The economy goes up, your property value goes up! Simple math...don't blame Rail.
on August 13,2012 | 08:37AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Kuli, what is this garbage that the "threat of property tax going up specifically because of rail is pure bunk snoot"? Kuli, please go download and see page A-3 in the following link to know exactly what the O&M of rail is: http://www. honolulutransit.org/document-library/finances.aspx
on August 13,2012 | 11:50AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Notice that the transportation O&M jumps from $244 million in 2015 before rail to $322 million when rail is in full operation?
on August 13,2012 | 12:01PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Also, notice the cost of the rail went from $3.1 billion to 5.26 billion in a heartbeat? I don't believe that $5B price tag for a second.
on August 13,2012 | 12:49PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Go back into your cave - obviously you don't keep up with the times! I think only YOU don't know it's $5 bil. and been that for a while. If you're going to offer your comments - at least be intelligent about it!
on August 13,2012 | 04:05PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Do me a favor, kuni....you download it and paste it to your post.thanks.
on August 13,2012 | 05:23PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Kuli, do yourself a favor. Be more informed about the details of Rail. The O&M of Rail, TheBus and TheHandi-Van is found on page A-3 of the Final Financial Plan. To see for yourself what I am talking about, do the following (1) go to this link >>> http://www. honolulutransit. org/document-library/finances.aspx (2) Download the Final Financial Plan which is a PDF document (3) Then go to page A-3.<<<<
on August 13,2012 | 09:35PM
kahuku01 wrote:
NanakuliBoss: Would you not want an updated sewer system, smooth streets, efficient city services, operational city park facilities or are you contented to live the way it is in Nanakuli? It does take money to have the things we need but when the nice to have rail sucks up majority of the money to build and maintain, the future doesn't look promising for the children and grandchildren especially for those that will never use the rail. I believe that majority of the population of Oahu would not complain about the 1/2 % surcharge if the city used it and showed improvements on roads, improved services, well kept city park facilities, sewer update without increasing the property tax. When everybody benefits it becomes fair sharing.
on August 13,2012 | 04:04PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Kahuku01, I lived in Kahuku longer then I lived In Nanakuli. Yeah, I want the city to address the big problems like relocating the city dump to Kahuku upland. I think that would be great. That way you all deal with the trash trucks clogging your streets. Then we talk real trash.
on August 13,2012 | 04:33PM
kahuku01 wrote:
If you're complaining about not breathing clear air in Nanakuli because of the thrash dump then I believe it's your choice to continue living there and stop complaining. Thanks for hoping that the city will relocate the city dump to Kahuku and that really shows your true colors of how much of an Aloha spirit you have. Not! Nothing to get excited about because I'm sure the fed government will shut them down because of that area being an Army training area.
on August 13,2012 | 05:34PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Seems to me more voters have a clue versus the minority anti-rail people who seems to be the REAL NO CLUE faction!
on August 13,2012 | 10:42AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
I can't help but imagine what comes out of the "mouth" of an oxtail...
on August 13,2012 | 12:50PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Better than what comes out of someone who calls himself al_......What, you think you're funny playing on words of a terrorist group that is responsible for killing thousands of people? Is that how you get your kicks? A jouvenile, crash mentality like you is beneath all our dignity, regardless of whether one is for or against rail. Go slink into a dark cave and stay there!
on August 13,2012 | 04:02PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Gee OX, if we were the minority, wouldn't Cayetano have come in last? DUH!
on August 13,2012 | 01:46PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Not necessarily - again what is it about you anti-rail folks who just can't figure out simple math? Look man, all 3 mayoral candidates didn't have a majority - GET IT?
on August 13,2012 | 03:52PM
pakeheat wrote:
Let me refresh you're memory in 2008 where rail won a majority 53% to $8% to approve steel on steel as proponents claim, now with Ben Cayetano receiving 44.7%, higher numbers than the other two candidates, now it's not a majority, make up you're mind ox?
on August 13,2012 | 04:17PM
oxtail01 wrote:
By ANY calculation, 44% is NOT a majority. I actually learned that in school - maybe you should try it!
on August 13,2012 | 06:04PM
DPK wrote:
ox: remember that this was a Democratic primary. Ben will get the Republican and independent votes in November. Then rail will be dead.
on August 13,2012 | 10:04PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
No, DPK, it wasn't. It was a non-partisan race that everyone who voted could vote in.
on August 13,2012 | 11:15PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Hey DPK , for your info mayoral primaries was NOT a Democrate primary. Why you think all the Republicans voted for him?
on August 13,2012 | 11:25PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
the dijou syndrome, works for special elections, not the general though.
on August 13,2012 | 09:06PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Cayetano won every district and by more than 30,000 votes. Even if the SA puts up another fake slanted poll (they said Mufi was leading by 10 percent while Civil Beat had Mufi down 20 percent) saying Carlisle is winning, coming from behind to take out 30,000 voters is going to be next to impossible to accomplish. Rail is dead, hon.
on August 13,2012 | 02:03PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Let me see, he WON by more than 30K ? FACT CHECK - he got more than 30k over the second place guy - HE DIDN"T WIN! He get to go to the next round where he'll get his short A... kicked!
on August 13,2012 | 04:26PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Oh,bachi Rail is not dead. Today I saw a new column go up. In fact I taught I seen Peter operating the Cat.
on August 13,2012 | 04:35PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Ben Cayetano won 33-2 districts over Kirk Caldwell and John White. Ben Cayetan won 35-0 districts over Peter Carlisle and John White. That's a fact.
on August 13,2012 | 03:45PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
He had more votes in those districts, but is not mayor. That's the most important fact. Keep spinning and you might get dizzy.
on August 13,2012 | 04:08PM
frontman wrote:
Stop Rail NOW........Vote for BEN.
on August 13,2012 | 03:45PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
You did vote for Ben and zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Feb.44%...................Aug.12..44%????? Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
on August 13,2012 | 04:37PM
Truther wrote:
Ben doesn't answer to anyone but the people; an honest man to the core!
on August 13,2012 | 02:23AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
That's one of the biggest differences between Ben and Kirk. Ben is a man of the people, a champion of the common man, the maka`ainana. I doubt Kirk could even pronounce the word.
on August 13,2012 | 06:19AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Then you have never met him if you are criticizing his Hawaiian language ability.
on August 13,2012 | 06:28AM
allie wrote:
Exactly! We trsut Ben. Carlisle was a wimpy, whiner and inept man. Caldwell is far more sly though.
on August 13,2012 | 06:28AM
jomama wrote:
you don't know which side of your a** you are talking out of. Try to sound intelligent Allie.
on August 13,2012 | 10:41PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Doesn't matter - both ends are full of s......t!
on August 13,2012 | 11:19PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
I bet Kirk could pronounce Hawaiian words better then NO. In fact with his history at governor, NO denounced many Hawaiian programs.
on August 13,2012 | 08:59AM
MKN wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: Where's your evidence? I don't recall him denouncing any Hawaiian Programs. Stop lying about Ben's record like PRP is doing!!!
on August 13,2012 | 12:14PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Ben NO shot the Hawaiian Claims act down. He stalled construction for DHHL in Kapolei. As a result Lingle took over and got the job done.
on August 13,2012 | 04:39PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Can you cite a newspaper clipping with quote of Cayetano "denouncing" Hawaiian programs? I have a feeling that Cayetano was denouncing *spending* on Hawaiian programs because he was dealing with a massive debt left to him by the free spending Gov. Waihee.
on August 13,2012 | 12:53PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
I heard Kirk talking about Hanalulu. Nuff said.
on August 13,2012 | 03:17PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Mr. Caldwell and Mr. Cayetano were both born and raised here and both have accents. Were you born here?
on August 13,2012 | 04:09PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Open your ears, white man!
on August 13,2012 | 04:30PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
You can disagree with someoneand and even call them out without bringing a completely irrelevant factor like race into it.
on August 13,2012 | 07:31PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Your comment is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a LONG TIME! To imply that Kirk, who probably been living in hawaii far longer than you don't know how to pronounce "Honolulu" is the most assinine thing I've efer read. If there ever was a definition of "d....b H....e" you gotta be it! Not only can't you guys figure out simple math, you can't even hear!
on August 13,2012 | 05:01PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
so sad, now we have to gong you, no aloha
on August 13,2012 | 09:16PM
oxtail01 wrote:
I think there were more "common" man who voted against him than for? Just what the heck does "common" man mean anyway?
on August 13,2012 | 04:29PM
oxtail01 wrote:
He sure 'aint answering to the majority pro-rail voters! So what people is he answering to?
on August 13,2012 | 04:28PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
he was the lesser of two evils vs lingle, as lt, govenor he helped the more useless waihe'e spend every single dollar they could get their hands on....he's as honest as mansho just bit smarter....
on August 13,2012 | 09:13PM
publicuser wrote:
If ever there was a time to keep Hawaii beautiful, it is now. Get your family and friends to vote for Cayetano. Imua rail??? She would most likely be standing if she was on the rail and why do we need rail if everyone was sitting on that bus she was on...
on August 13,2012 | 04:22AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
No way. Grabbie said he is adding 10 more seats.
on August 13,2012 | 12:54PM
PCWarrior wrote:
10 more seats for just a few million more.
on August 13,2012 | 02:04PM
whs1966 wrote:
"Cayetano fared best in the places where the rail won't run, including Nuuanu, Punchbowl, Moiliili, Waikiki, McCully, Kaimuki, Diamond Head, Kahala, Aina Haina and Hawaii Kai." That's in line with the "I got mine" mentality, which is a corrollary of the "Not in my back yard" (NIMBY) mentality.
on August 13,2012 | 04:52AM
luvshawaii wrote:
Read the graphic again. Mr. Cayetano fared well in all sectors.
on August 13,2012 | 05:58AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Cayetano carried all but two districts.... your spin is way off base.
on August 13,2012 | 06:20AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Speaking of "spin", Mr. Cayetano "carried," but didn't get the 50% plus 1 needed to actually win. Let's see if he can do it in the general.
on August 13,2012 | 06:30AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Bring it on, baby!
on August 13,2012 | 07:02AM
palani wrote:
Yes, but for Caldwell to win, he will need to capture 80% of the votes cast for Carlisle. If 20% goes to Ben, he will win. This doesn't even include the number of independents and Republicans who sat out this mostly Democrat primary, the majority of whom will probably vote for Cayetano.
on August 13,2012 | 07:12AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Republicans sat out the primary when this was the best chance in years for them to do away with rail? C'mon...

We will see in November if they take the opportunity for the last time it will be available to stop this train.


on August 13,2012 | 07:35AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
20% of the liar Car ,going to cayetaNO? The snake oil salesman votes going to NO? The man the antis condemn on these blogs? The man that said,Rail,Rail,Rail and his voters said Rail,Rail,Rail would vote for cayetaNONONO? HaHaHa,,,
on August 13,2012 | 09:05AM
shoogz wrote:
Republicans were not allowed to cross party lines in the primary. Filipinos have a history of not voting in the primary and rather vote in the general election instead. Plus, the low voter turnout in the primary favors Cayetano as the union backed Caldwell/Carlisle camp has pretty much shown it's cards. That spells trouble for Caldwell. With Cayetano's nonpartisan stance he will be able to draw votes from both Republican and Democrats which give him the edge in the general election.
on August 13,2012 | 07:27AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Republicans didn't have to cross party lines to vote for Mr. Cayetano. That was very clear in all the press and on the ballot itself. And they won't have to in the General Election either.
on August 13,2012 | 07:35AM
shoogz wrote:
In the Primary you either vote all Republican, all Democrat or all Independent. The choice is yours, but you cannot vote for a Republican candidate and a Democrat candidate on the same ballot.
on August 13,2012 | 07:51AM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Oahu Mayor race was NON-partisan!!!!
on August 13,2012 | 08:27AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mayoral is Non partisan,shoogz,duhhh!
on August 13,2012 | 09:06AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder if you even saw a ballot or actually voted. The race was non-partisan and ANYONE who showed up to vote, whether in the Democratic OR Republican party could vote for Mayor.
on August 13,2012 | 01:04PM
shoogz wrote:
LOL...I acknowledge that I was incorrect. Mayors race was Non-partisan.
on August 13,2012 | 02:17PM
MKN wrote:
@DowntownGreen: While that's true, there weren't too many Republicans to vote for in most of the races for the primary, so its not surprising that many of them didn't show up. Now they will show up when it comes to the presidential race because the want Obama out of office. That's why Republicans will show up in greater numbers in November.
on August 13,2012 | 12:17PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
I'm wondering how anyone even KNOWS whether they showed up to vote or not. Their absolute BEST chance so far to stop rail and they stayed home? People will get dizzy if they spin that one long enough. And for YEARS Repulicans have used the "just wait until the next election" argument... and it's pretty much has the same result every time; they lose.
on August 13,2012 | 01:07PM
Changalang wrote:
High State wide Republican turnout is apparent in the variance of polling analysis to the trained eye. CD2 and Neighbor Islands did a little Operation Chaos that Rush Limbaugh himself tried to organize nationwide in 2008.
on August 13,2012 | 09:59PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Cayetano won handily in the Primary and win again in the General. The people don't want rail and they do want a leader who will kill rail, fix sewers, fix roads, stand up for the people not a handful of special interest groups like John White and PRP.
on August 13,2012 | 03:23PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
like you speak for the Filipinos, get real,
on August 13,2012 | 09:21PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Spin it anyway you want. But the SA headline for Tulsi said "Gabbard defeats Hanneman in all voting districts except one." In all fairness, the story about the Mayor's race should have been similarly headlined: "Cayetano defeated Caldwell in all voting districts but two, and Carlisle in every voting district." That would be apples and apples, not apples and oranges.
on August 13,2012 | 03:21PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Ms. Gabbard actually WON her primary and knocked out all of her opponents. She had a MAJORITY, not just a plurality.
on August 13,2012 | 07:33PM
Changalang wrote:
Republican crossovers, all according to their plan.
on August 13,2012 | 10:00PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Kh big difference in your apples. Ben and Kirk will do it again in Nov. Tulsi and Mufi is pau.
on August 13,2012 | 08:00PM
allie wrote:
untrue..Ben did well in many places the rail goes including waiaphu.
on August 13,2012 | 06:29AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
That tells you a lot about the lies being spread about what folks in the "west" side want. Talk to them. They don't want their grandkids saddled with higher taxes just so a handful of folks in Kapolei can have a train ride. It's that simple.
on August 13,2012 | 03:24PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
@whs1966 ...I got mine because I paid my dues, studied hard, and got a good job/stared a successful business. Are you, on the other hand, asking that things be done for you...just because "it's just not fair"? Grow a pair.
on August 13,2012 | 12:57PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Staring at a successful business doesn't count, FAILURE!
on August 13,2012 | 04:33PM
oxtail01 wrote:
What did you get? Empty wealth to go with your empty soul?
on August 13,2012 | 05:31PM
Changalang wrote:
Be careful Ben; sleeping with the enemy has never fared well for any Hawaii Democrat. The Hawaii GOP will be destroyed in the General. I hope your candidacy does not swirl away with them when voters push the lever. It is too important. Remember your roots and THEIR history. Re-read your own book.
on August 13,2012 | 05:14AM
allie wrote:
Democrats and Independents (like me) are supporting Ben
on August 13,2012 | 06:30AM
Changalang wrote:
Democrats like you could not have gotten your favorite candidates elected in the Primary in the stunning turnout without Republican crossover in the Primary, just like in 2010 against Mufi. You are nothing but a naive victim of Lingle manipulation. No offense. Ends justifying the means logic always comes with unintended consequences. Ben is smart enough to remember, and keep things appropriately balanced. Just remember that in the Senate race, Mazie needs thinking Democrats and Independents to vote for in spite of her obvious shortcomings. Best not to poke the bear. Someday you may make it to breakfast; until then, best you honor the imperative of unity and realize exactly who you speak for. Ben needs 10 points from us to win because he maxed out short by sleeping with the enemy and it only took a day for the word to spread. The Establishment votes with a vengeance in the General; ALWAYS. Any more talk of buddying up with Lingle from Ben at this point forward will only get Caldwell elected. Be warned. Ben can easily be starved out of this race from the money guys who run this state. The trailer trash Republicans gave him their last pennies. That being said WE fully support Tulsi in her endeavors as the fresh face in D.C. and defer to the Emperor to bring the best out of Mazie for the future via his offered Senate apprenticeship in the Winter of his career. With, or against. The choose has always been that simple.
on August 13,2012 | 07:28AM
sunnyhi wrote:
Chang, your wisdom is insightful and true. But, be nice to Allie, she's still learning.
on August 13,2012 | 09:43AM
Changalang wrote:
Okay.
on August 13,2012 | 07:57PM
WesleySMori wrote:
Well CHANGALANG, Not To WORRY!! ALLIE, (TO COIN A PHRASE) SEEMS LIKE,"One TOUGH COOKIE"!!!! "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!!!!!!
on August 14,2012 | 01:56PM
MKN wrote:
@Changalang: Did you see the picture of Tulsi's opponent in the general election? OMG!!! He was posing with a cigar in his mouth along with a giant gold chain. Hilarious!!! Supposedly the guy lives out of his car somewhere or something. LOL!!!
on August 13,2012 | 12:21PM
allie wrote:
Yikes..yes, he looked like one of my Pizza customers on Kuhio at 2:20 am! Same cigar and gold chain and arrogant, vacant look! "Hey girl..you look like my type but you ain't from around here are ya? Your body is my type..long, tall, thin and sassy!" Yikes!
on August 13,2012 | 12:40PM
Changalang wrote:
LOL. The results are going to be more embarrassing than the Republican's physical appearance. The seasoned team behind Tulsi from McCoy's boys will insure her a long and illustrious career. As long as she keeps in touch with Akaka's network grassroot links, she will serve us the District well.
on August 13,2012 | 07:56PM
allie wrote:
I do NOT support Lingle in anyway! I support Ben and mazie and Tulsi. I am an independent from North Dakota!
on August 13,2012 | 12:39PM
Changalang wrote:
Hawaii GOP crossed over and voted for Tulsi to kill off Mufi and voted for Mazie because they did not want it to be a battle of moderates and used their leverage to take out the real threat. The Hawaii GOP vote load is figured into all the candidates you support; therefore you need to know who stood next to your candidates that decided outcomes in the Primary. Welcome to the real world. If Ben wants to win, then he needs to reach out to Democrats that did not vote for him in the Primary. As predicted, he did not crack 50 percent. The Court case will not go in his favor. The FFGA will come in before the General. He spent a lot of his money already. PRP is going to the 3 million mark. The vote will happen when people have been in school time traffic. Elections are about numbers. That is why I personally brought 10 votes down to help Ben on the Primary election day. Hawaii GOP already failed for Ben. They are poison. The votes he needs are with people like me; and as of today WE are reminded why we hate the GOP snakes that Ben is standing with. He needs to distance himself from Lingle's henchmen to avoid retaliation in the General. The math is already against him. Fair warning. I was right about Ben not being able to pull off his only chance at victory, and am right now.
on August 13,2012 | 05:44PM
jomama wrote:
bizarre group to support.
on August 13,2012 | 10:44PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Only thing independent about you is the the disconnect between your head and the body.
on August 13,2012 | 08:48AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Just seeing NO at the Democrat breakfast seemed way out of place. It was like that seeing a furloughed felon cousin showing up at the luau.
on August 13,2012 | 09:09AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Yeah and remembering the times you two spent as cell mates, eh NoLiveNanakuli?
on August 13,2012 | 10:43AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Pcworrier, were you my cousins girlfriend?
on August 13,2012 | 04:44PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
And not seeing Mufi at the Unity breakfast was on par.
on August 13,2012 | 01:00PM
Changalang wrote:
Mufi stood with Dan when few would with the hairdresser incident. When Mufi did not push Rail as part of his new and improved "campaign of humility", Inouye stood next to Tulsi on stage at the Democratic Convention. In doing so, he publicly shunned Mufi in his ruthless style. When Kirk read the second print out, Dan stood with him at his HQ. He is the dominant force in election outcomes in Hawaii, and those who do not obey get left on the side as road kill. Ben will be next unless he finds a 10 point bump in Democrats for November. The Machine is still in control and voter apathy is why.
on August 13,2012 | 05:52PM
yhls wrote:
Many people who didn't vote this time will vote in the general election for Cayetano.
on August 13,2012 | 05:53AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Now that it is narrowed to two candidates, the choice is easier for most voters,and Cayetano will be so far ahead in the next poll that Caldwell will probably accept defeat.
on August 13,2012 | 06:21AM
allie wrote:
John White of PRP was very ungracious Saturday night and threatened to pour on the money and vicious personal attacks. "Anything to destroy Ben is fair," he said. Caldwell is an inside operator so, like Lingle, beware what and who is behind their curtain of power
on August 13,2012 | 06:37AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Haugen, you did say 70% for NO in the primary,right?
on August 13,2012 | 09:11AM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Cayetano is not out of the woods yet. Carlisle Caldwell's total votes exceeded Cayetano. If Carlisle's supporters chooses to support Caldwell then Cayetano will be in trouble. However this is a big IF. So let's prepare for more mud slinging from the PRP, unions, and the pro-rail supporters coming down the pipe. Uncle Cayetano should be able to handle this via his campaign rebuttal. How exciting politics can be.
on August 13,2012 | 12:59PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
I agree but let's not forget that in the general election, you don't have to vote party so it remains to be seen how Republicans will vote on the mayor's race.
on August 13,2012 | 02:41PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh,public braddah,,huhhhhhh??? Okay, all you senior citizens that voted cayetaNO. Listen up!!! One moa time, no matter what your party, republican,democrat,independent, green,,,,you can vote for your choice for mayor! Okay,,.get together with schooz above, okay. But no ask for Berg on your ballot if you no live district 1, okay...
on August 13,2012 | 04:54PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Yup, as Uncle Cayetano says, mayoral election is a non-party election and there are Republicans and Independent voters out there waiting for the general election; his looking forward in capturing these votes.
on August 13,2012 | 04:59PM
Changalang wrote:
He already did.
on August 13,2012 | 05:57PM
Changalang wrote:
No, it has been seen and recorded. Every Republican whether they pulled a "D" ballot for Tulsi, or an "R" ballot all got to vote for Ben on the back side of their ballot. The Democrats coming in force in the General will decide the outcome of all races in Hawaii. The sooner Ben pivots, the better his final numbers will be in November.
on August 13,2012 | 05:57PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
You kidding right. I thought all the cayetaNOs voter came out for the 50 1?? All you antis had them lined up, shuttle them in? What happen?
on August 13,2012 | 04:47PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Not enough of 'em!
on August 13,2012 | 05:03PM
Changalang wrote:
Ben will get a decent percentage of the Carlisle vote. Exact numbers will be more apparent in the 2nd week of October.
on August 13,2012 | 10:02PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Nothing is for certain but according to the voting numbers and percentages by district, Cayetano did well except losing by a mere total votes of 172 votes in two districts. The votes are an indication that people want a change. Carliisle and Caldwell had their chance at city hall but never took care of the issues that were important to the average local population. Rail was always high on their priority list and it incorporated a mandated 1/2% increase GET specifically for the rail, continuously terrible road surface conditions, poorly maintained city park structural facilities, increased DMV registration at a time when people are struggling because of the bad economy, the anticipated property tax increase and the services that became slow and discontinued, all these things added up and affected the quality of life for many and now want a change and results. Sure, rail is a huge issue because of the amount it will cost but not everyone on Oahu will ever use it. It has been identified that Honolulu has one the worst freeway traffic congestion problem in the nation and because the freeways are under the jurisdiction of the state, the state DOT should be the very one trying to eliminate this problem and come up with a solution. Why should the city be involved with traffic congestion on the state controlled freeways and take on a huge and costly project that right now is in a mode of uncertainty. Huge mistake by the elected and appointed officials of the city of Honolulu. It's not too late to put the burden on the state department to figure out a way to ease the freeway traffic congestion and it shouldn't be the responsibility of the newly elected mayor of Honolulu.
on August 13,2012 | 06:41AM
NITRO08 wrote:
CHANGE WHAT CHANGE WE ALREADY HAD BEN AS GOVERNOR, HE'S NOT NEW HE'S THE ONE THAT GAVE OUT CONTRACTS WITH OUT BIDS AND HE STILL HAS THE SAME PEOPLE AROUND HIM!
on August 13,2012 | 07:42AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Many who voted for Caldwell or Carlisle don't give a hoot about rail. They just hate cayetaNO and all his crooked dealings when he was governors! His raiding of the Hurricane Fund, Retirement Fund of the kupunas, the bash on teachers, the cuts on workers! People just don't like him. He's right, "Its not all about Rail". It's about a bad history.
on August 13,2012 | 09:15AM
MKN wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: Well what about Caldwell's crooked dealings? He was a part of the Mufi administration, so he knows what's happening in terms of all the pay to play going on now. Why do you think he wants to be Mayor so bad? Its because he wants to get paid!!! Stop the corruption and vote for Ben!!! Rail is a giant waste of money for a small amount of traffic mitigation!!!
on August 13,2012 | 12:29PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mkn,,,Ben NO is the daddy of pay to play. Bob Watada said this. What corrupted politicians u talking about?
on August 13,2012 | 04:57PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
It is not fair for people who are not directly served by the rail route to deprive the people who have to live far in affordable Kapolei, Waipahu and other west side communities. The rail helps average locals. Average people will ride the rail and will get jobs from the rail construction. Average locals will benefit the most from an improved economy. On the other hand, many people who think they are rich just because they live in the best areas do not like to pay extra taxes for government services they do not need and will not use such as rail. They have theirs and don’t care about others who are struggling to make it in our high cost of living state. Retirement advisors generally consider a net worth of $2 million excluding principal residence as being reasonably set financially. Lower and middle income average local people and most retired people are not in the same boat and should not fall for the “taxes are bad” argument. Taxes provide government services that average people need. The purpose of the general excise tax Is to fairly spread cost of public services over the entire population so that everyone pays their fair share according to their financial capability. The half percent general excise tax is paying our share of the rail. Even tourists are helping to pay GE tax. The federal government is subsidizing $1.55 billion of the cost. Therefore the cost to provide this needed transportation infrastructure is covered. Rail is a government provided service for the overall benefit of the greater Honolulu area. We regular locals should see that we are the ones who will need the rail for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. The time to build the rail is now and everyone should be supporting it.
on August 13,2012 | 06:51AM
realist3463 wrote:
"It is not fair for people who are not directly served by the rail route to deprive the people who have to live far in affordable Kapolei, Waipahu and other west side communities." but it is fair that our children and grand children will pay for it? You want it, you pay for it. "Regular, average" is your problem, why do you fear to work hard and succeed? Auwe.
on August 13,2012 | 07:27AM
Bean808 wrote:
Give me a break, you guys don't really care about the people. Its all about big business, unions, developers, landowners, who are going to make big and I mean big buck out of the rail. Those being told that jobs will be plentiful are being fooled. Electing Caldwell will serve as him being the puppet with many pulling his strings as they are doing now.
on August 13,2012 | 09:54AM
oxtail01 wrote:
Puppet? Republicans got a perfect one in Ben - HEY, he actually looks, walks, and talks like one. Put him and Panos together on a stage and we'll really have a funny act!
on August 13,2012 | 05:05PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Uku says "It is not fair for people who are not directly served by the rail route to deprive the people who have to live far in affordable Kapolei, Waipahu and other west side communities..." Taxes paid for by the general public, should be spent to benefit all, like education, social services, etc... not for the few. In terms of rail construction jobs, clearly these jobs will only be for the union members and the peons of the PRP. None union members, good luck in getting a job with the rail construction.
on August 13,2012 | 01:52PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Here are some thoughts. 1) Even tho he's out of the race, Carlisle will continue to push the building of the rail as hard as he can even knowing that people are against it. We did right by not voting this clown back into office. 2) It will be interesting to see how Caldwell reacts to the PRP (John White) ads. If he does nothing, the assumption is that he agrees with the White lies but if he asks PRP to stop running the negative ads, it may be seen as a positive in his campaign. My guess is he will do nothing as the unions are his biggest backers. 3) The race to replace Akaka is sadly a loser for voters. Both candidates have not come out to say what they've done for Hawaii. Both have strong national backing. Hirono is seen as an Inouye puppet and Lingle is more involved in national politics than helping Hawaii.
on August 13,2012 | 06:54AM
chief wrote:
Cayetano is a stateman, trustworthy, cares for the common people - WHAT A JOKE! He stated he doesn't like people that make money off the backs of others, HELLO look at who owns United Laundry, the median income there is barely over the MINIMUM WAGE!
on August 13,2012 | 07:04AM
NITRO08 wrote:
WRONG HE IS A POLITICIAN AND HE ALSO HAS HIS SPECIAL GROUP OF PEOPLE HE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF SO STOP WITH THE BULL!
on August 13,2012 | 07:37AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
They're ALL politicians. ;-)
on August 13,2012 | 02:43PM
MKN wrote:
@chief: Actually most of the workers there get paid more than minimum wage. If they were making only minimum wage, the people that have worked there for years and years would have found employement elsewhere by now.
on August 13,2012 | 12:31PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Any proof MKN. You the human resource boss?
on August 13,2012 | 05:03PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Not if some illegals and "cash" work goes on!
on August 13,2012 | 05:07PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Tell him to open the books on that business his wife owns - "dirty laundry" will have a whole new meaning!
on August 13,2012 | 05:07PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Hahaha...I like oxtail, with Chinese parsley.
on August 13,2012 | 05:27PM
soundofreason wrote:
""I'm running against a man who was a two-time governor, two-time lieutenant governor, 38 years in elected office, a formidable candidate, can raise money like no one else, and I have to work real hard.">>> OR...OR... you could just go shopping and simplify your life. Just a thought.
on August 13,2012 | 07:14AM
ready2go wrote:
Congratulations to Ben for doing so well across the entire Island. I was surprised to see so much support for him.
on August 13,2012 | 07:16AM
McCully wrote:
If I'm an unemployed carpenter and heard John White comments on how her will pour more money (another 1 million) into derailing Cayetano, I would be pissed. How about giving some of our dues back to the unemployed, not into campaign spending. It's time to derail John White and PRP.
on August 13,2012 | 07:37AM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Well said, McCully. I wonder how many union members feel that way but are afraid to speak up?
on August 13,2012 | 08:30AM
oxtail01 wrote:
Have you seen the pay and benefits that construction union members enjoy? Have you any idea of the GREAT pensions and post retirement benfits they enjoy? It sure didn't happen because of traitors like Ben! Any union member worth their salt better think long and hard if they're voting against their brothers and sisters. and PLEASE, don't conjecture I'm a union member, I'm NOT, NEVER BEEN. I'm a retired professional but my parents toiled in blue collar jobs and but at least had some protection through their union membership. We grew up depending on public transportation and grateful for the Democrats who improved the bus system to be among the best in the nation (Fasi did wonders - crook maybe, great politician though). Fasi pushed for rail years ago and all of us would be enjoying it except for a narrow minded councilwoman (much like senile Ann). Don't wonder about how many union members are afraid to speak up - obviously not many because the pro-rail votes were a big majority. When the union members show up in greater numbers for the general election - you can kiss the fat, short, traitor - GOOD BYE!
on August 13,2012 | 05:20PM
saveparadise wrote:
Just knowing that PRP and their cohorts are willing to spend $2,000,000.00 on negative campaigning has to make everyone wonderhow much profits they stand to make. Exactly what are the tax payers getting for their money on this train ride that will bleed us for years to come. Everyone must realize the cost of living in an advanced and developed world goes up accordingly. Will you survive the next economic crash if you are already struggling to make ends meet and have no savings?
on August 13,2012 | 10:00AM
MKN wrote:
@saveparadise: They stand to make a ton of money because of something called prevailing wages. A prevailing wage is an agreement between the unions and the city or state that says the unions will agree not to strike in exchange for signficantly higher wages for its workers. So as an example, if a laborer was making $15 an hour, under a prevailing wage agreement, that same person would get paid $30-45 an hour or two to three times the normal wages. As you know, unions take out a percentage of the employee's paychecks as union dues, so with prevailing wages, they stand to make a killing in terms of revenue. That's why they can pay PRP to run negative attack ads in the Millions of dollars. That's one of the reasons why Rail costs $5.3 Billion instead of significantly less than that. This type of corruption needs to be stopped!!! Vote Ben for Mayor!!!
on August 13,2012 | 12:36PM
oxtail01 wrote:
When economy goes bad - more people depend on public transportation - that ever enter your mind?
on August 13,2012 | 11:36PM
inverse wrote:
On paper, PRP money is coming from union dues however guarantee "off the books", that money has or will be replinished by rail money from taxpayers through untraceable "donations" from companies with major rail contracts and easily paid for with the numerous change orders arleady approved by HART and Yoshioka.
on August 13,2012 | 11:34AM
jomama wrote:
This is a stupid article. Caldwell and Carlisle split the pro-rail vote. Anti-rail ddn't win a single district. great reporting as usual SA.
on August 13,2012 | 07:53AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
You never was a union worker,Mccully. You stated that before.
on August 13,2012 | 09:18AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
He said "If." Read it again NB.
on August 13,2012 | 01:17PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Oh, "if" ? Okay the he has every right act like he was actually a union carpenter. Like"if" I was cayetaNO, I would conceit to Caldwell, and also escheat.
on August 13,2012 | 05:07PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
I've been a member of several unions, am a retired life member of one, and most of my fellow union members vote their conscience and most oppose the ill-coneived Kapolei railroad, the one we can't afford, won't use.
on August 13,2012 | 03:28PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Hooray, I voted with my conscience, I'm with you.
on August 13,2012 | 04:41PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Actually, Mr. Cayetano (decidedly anti-rail) DID win some districts with more than 50% of the vote.
on August 13,2012 | 01:12PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
He won every district but two over Caldwell. He won every district over Carlisle.
on August 13,2012 | 03:29PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Yes, Mr. Cayetano won a plurality, but a plurality could not win this election unless a candidate received 50% plus 1of the votes...and no one did. The only candidate that wins the Mayoral election will be the candidate who has more votes in November.

A plurality win sounds great, but it got Mr. Cayetano and Mr. Caldwell to the General Election, not the Mayor's office. So spin if you like, but right now, the slate is clean and the campaign starts again.


on August 13,2012 | 04:17PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Then why isn't cayetaNO the mayor?
on August 13,2012 | 05:09PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Keith, Cayetano is in for a big disappointment come November 6 if he does not go back to this original platform which included Traffic Congestion Relief. This time, Cayetano needs to be more knowlegeable on Technology and make Traffic Congestion Relief thru technology to combat the highly successful use of Traffic Congestion in all of rail print and TV ads. Cayetano needs to recognize the fact that Traffic Congestion is the key to the success of rail propaganda - in 2008, 2010 and in 2012 (garnering 55.2% of the vote). For without Traffic Congestion to lean on, rail propaganda is collapses.
on August 13,2012 | 09:49PM
oxtail01 wrote:
What do you expect from a right wing paper!
on August 13,2012 | 05:22PM
wiliki wrote:
Those areas are heavily Republican as well. It seems the Republicans are voting for the weaker Democratic candidate-- Case and Thielan. Looks it's the same with Ben. 44% may be the highest that he'll get. Democrats will be able to get more out to vote for Caldwell and Obama.
on August 13,2012 | 07:59AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
And it would take two republican, union haters, to speak up for union members?? Lol..
on August 13,2012 | 09:19AM
akuman808 wrote:
Cayetano's 90,000 plus votes sends a clear and distinct message to the unons, your power hold on government has awaken the sleeping giant, the independents and no-union voting block tired of letting you set the agenda. Returnig power back to the people is the Cayetano /Gabbard revolution that also helped Tulsi win significantly in the primaries. Lingle's dog whistle statements supporting Ben's anti-rail position will mean Republcans are encouraged to vote for Ben in the general.
on August 13,2012 | 08:25AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Cayetano/Gabbard revolution?? That's a first...does Tulsi approve of this? She did vote ye on all the Rail issues in the council. More blog lies from the anti....would a young upcoming politician want to be associated with an Old school, pay to play, over the hill, health ridden politician? NO.
on August 13,2012 | 09:24AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Which politician are you talking about?
on August 13,2012 | 01:20PM
Changalang wrote:
The Republican crossovers were so filled with blind hate secondary to Mufi Derangement Syndrome, that they cannot possibly acknowledge that. Tulsi is smarter than I gave her credit for. She chose wisely considering her station and desired career destination.
on August 13,2012 | 08:25PM
oahuresident wrote:
Ben and Vicky need to move out of their Waialae Iki home just outside of town and move to Makakilo or Ewa Beach and experience the traffic until election day.
on August 13,2012 | 08:39AM
nalogirl wrote:
The people that bought out there knew that there would be traffic. They wanted large homes instead of a condo in town. It was a traade off, and how about the second city that was promised?
on August 13,2012 | 11:19AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
My friend bought a five bedroom on the golf course instead of a luxury two bedroom in town. His choice. But, guess what? He voted for Ben. The rail was never about traffic reduction. It's about building more development which will mean more traffic.
on August 13,2012 | 01:22PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Carlisle says the rail is all about development along the proposed rail line. Caldwell is sure why the rail is being built, but thinks it should run to Hawai`i Kai.
on August 13,2012 | 03:31PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Wow al, and you talk of the common family? Golf course,5 bedroom or 2 bedroom luxury condo! You or your friend will not use rail. You too rich.
on August 13,2012 | 05:15PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Did we expect anything else from your "friend"? People who buy homes fronting the golf course are NOT the ones who's likely to be pro-rail. By your mention of "luxury" and "golf course", it's a dead giveaway you have no empathy for the people who will depend on rail. You wanna walk around your house with belted shorts and loafers and dream of being a rich white man, that's fine. Just don't expect any resonance with normal folks!
on August 13,2012 | 05:27PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
No nalogirl, they wanted a home for their children. Little children in condos? Comon .no pets? The homes are not large. Of course it's bigger then condos in Honolulu that's because the cost of living in Honolulu and property is more expensive. Be logical.
on August 13,2012 | 05:13PM
MKN wrote:
Actually they used to live in Pearl City many years ago, so they know how bad traffic is.
on August 13,2012 | 12:59PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
You mean Ben s first wife yeah.? Vicky actually got Ben in his last term.
on August 13,2012 | 05:18PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
And you would then admit that the proposed railroad won't help the Makakilo and Ewa Beach traffic problems?????
on August 13,2012 | 03:30PM
oxtail01 wrote:
NO WAY they're going to do that - they're too comfortable rubbing elbows with their white Republican friends.
on August 13,2012 | 03:57PM
DPK wrote:
ox: you've mentioned "white" several times. Are you racist?
on August 13,2012 | 10:22PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Starting to sound like it, isn't it?
on August 13,2012 | 11:21PM
oxtail01 wrote:
No, just factual - Republican - mainly whites - wanna dispute that fact?
on August 13,2012 | 11:42PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Totally BS comparison - you had 2 Democrats against an annointed Republican candidate and that's how it should be viewed - any wonder Cayetano took East and Kailua? The fact is that in the general election it will be strickly one Democrat against one Republican (yes,yes Ben proclaims himself a Democrat). I like the REAL Democrat's chances!
on August 13,2012 | 08:44AM
frontman wrote:
That would be BEN.......................
on August 13,2012 | 09:03AM
frontman wrote:
Vote for Ben and SAVE Hawaii taxpayers from unending taxation for something that changes traffic only 1%. VOTE BEN>>>>>>>>>>>>STOP RAIL NOW
on August 13,2012 | 09:02AM
Gary_S wrote:
The Stop Rail crowd is like NIMBY crowd; they don't want to pay for things that will not benefit themselves. That is wrong and it will hurt themselves in the end. If a district needs improvements to their sewer or water lines or their roads, will only those living in that district pay for it? Government is required to have everyone contribute to pay for the infrastructure that benefits only a few. If the Stop Rail mentality is used every time a project is proposed, nothing will be done. If there is a waterline break occurs on your street, you expect it to be repaired...the cost paid by everyone and not just by those living on the street.
on August 13,2012 | 09:48AM
MKN wrote:
@Gary_S: Why should we spend $5.3 Billion on a rail system that will provide about the same traffic relief as a $1 Billion BRT system? It makes absolutely no sense! Plus the route that they chose won't have enough ridership for it to be sustainable. Tourists won't use it because it doesn't go into Waikiki. People that currently drive in their cars won't use it because they love their cars and wouldn't want to wait for buses and rail in order to get to the same destination. The only people that will consistently use rail are the folks riding buses now that have no car available and the system at that time will give them no choice but to ride rail since their old route will no longer be available.
on August 13,2012 | 01:08PM
roadsterred wrote:
You are wrong, wrong, wrong! It has nothing to do with NIMBY. It's about economics i.e. cost versus benefits. Will the $5.7 billion dollars of construction cost result in $5.7 billion dollars or more of benefits? If constructed, the rail will be a black hole, forever sucking up property tax dollars to the detriment of other city and county provided services.
on August 13,2012 | 05:11PM
saveparadise wrote:
Congratulations Ben! Please focus on sustaining the true beauty of Hawaii which is the natural beauty that nature has provided and of course the people here. We need to help the unfortunate and restore financial stability for many. The money for the train can be diverted to assist those that need it the most. If we continue to give in to developer money and provide them more profits then we are widening the financial gaps that create poverty and the homeless. Modernization is great only for those that can afford it.
on August 13,2012 | 10:28AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
wow, what plantation did you come from?
on August 13,2012 | 09:34PM
oxtail01 wrote:
Uncle Ben's Cabin
on August 13,2012 | 11:52PM
copius231 wrote:
Restore our infrastructure first, which is basic and should be automatic, "then" consider such a large scale project. It seems as though we've been going backwards for years neglecting the basics yet placing such a significant emphasis on projects such as the SuperFerry, Rail, etc. Finally, I say finally, someone being Cayetano, steps up to do the right thing. Basics like synchronizing the traffic lights, for example, repairing the sewer system, water system and maintaining our raods would be a good start which is part of Cayetano's agenda. You would think this would be "common-sense" but in this case, common sense has been uncommon. There just seems like there are so many more current alternatives that should be evaluated and exhausted before committing to a project like rail. While I can understand subjective perspectives of those who would directly benefit from rail that would "stimulate the local economy," in the end the entire picture has to "make sense;" subjectivity aside.
on August 13,2012 | 10:52AM
jkjones wrote:
one more election until the rail coffin is nailed shut. The mayoral election 2012 is a referendum on rail. Make no mistake. Hopefully, after BEN wins, even those who are out of touch like Sen Dan Inouye--will get it!
on August 13,2012 | 11:12AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Inouye commented. "I am for rail and I have been for rail since trains were first invented during my second term."
on August 13,2012 | 11:20AM
false wrote:
Good one. I thought he was 88. Maybe if you reach 100, you start all over with 1 again.
on August 13,2012 | 11:56AM
loquaciousone wrote:
He probably was on the one Butch Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid robbed just before going to Bolivia.
on August 13,2012 | 01:33PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
he has done more than any of you ever will even if you live to be 1000, hawaii wouldn't be on the map if not for people like inouye.....you should move to bolivia and stay there, lolo
on August 13,2012 | 09:39PM