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Candidates trade barbs over future of rail system

By B.J. Reyes

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The three candidates vying for Honolulu mayor engaged in the first debate of the campaign season Wednesday night, touching on a variety of subjects but ultimately trying to score points against one another on the singularly contentious issue of rail transit.

Both Mayor Peter Carlisle and former city Managing Director Kirk Caldwell support completion of the $5.27 billion project, while former Gov. Ben Cayetano has vowed to kill it. Construction began last week.

Though mostly cordial, the forum before 150 people at the Plaza Club downtown had its moments of bite, largely because of Cayetano, the former two-term Democratic governor who leveled some of the night's harshest criticism at Caldwell, a fellow Democrat. Although the race is nonpartisan, Cayetano and Caldwell are likely to attract Democratic voters.

In a round of questions on what motivates each to run for office, Cayetano bristled at the suggestion by Caldwell that his private-sector experience might translate better to running the city.

"The trouble with you is, you have never made a hard decision in your life in government," Cayetano said.

Caldwell called the remark "insulting."

"None of us in this room may have been governor, like Ben, but I know that every single one of us in this room has made hard decisions in our life," Caldwell said. "It's insulting to think that because we weren't governor that we didn't make hard decisions."

Cayetano continued to bring the discussion back to rail and his notion that the city cannot afford the system when there are more pressing needs facing the city such as roads and sewers. He cited three studies suggesting the price tag is likely to be closer to $7 billion. Neither Carlisle nor Caldwell challenged him on the figure.

"We should tend to the things that are most important," Cayetano said.

He did not offer specifics on his plans for a bus rapid transit system, and was not challenged on it, saying only that an alternative analysis had previously shown a bus system would be more flexible and better suited for Honolulu than an "eyesore" rail line that would take money away from core services and drive visitors away.

Carlisle and Caldwell repeated their support of the project for its potential to create jobs, not only in the construction of the rail line but in development around rail stations that would shape the future of island growth.

Both said transit-oriented development would create affordable housing around more livable, walkable communities that would in turn lead to healthier citizens and a healthier environment through reduced automobile emissions.

Construction began on the first segment of the project last week. One of the last key hurdles is obtaining a Full Funding Grant Agreement for $1.55 billion from the Federal Transit Administration, which is expected to come this fall.

Carlisle seized on a comment from U.S. Sen. Dan Inouye last month, stating the only thing that would stop the rail project is "World War III." Caldwell, who once worked for Inouye, repeated his confidence in the senator's ability to bring home the federal funds.

Cayetano continuously raised the issue of funding and what would happen if the federal government and Inouye, the Senate Appropriations Committee chairman, are unable to come through. "Sen. Inouye has been listening to the government," Cayetano said. "He is at the 30,000-foot level dealing at the national and international level.

"He is out of touch, as far as I'm concerned. I respect Sen. Inouye, but we should not defer to him. … What are you guys, potted plants?"

Carlisle said he was following the law in regard to the 2008 City Charter amendment approved by voters calling for a steel-on-steel rail system.

"I follow the law," Carlisle said. "It passed. It's on the books. … In terms of federal funds, we know Sen. Inouye has virtually guaranteed it."

Carlisle disputed Cayetano's assertion that he would have to raise taxes. "We will do nothing to impair our bond rating and nothing to raise taxes," the mayor said. He said if the funding does not come, he still would be obligated to implement the law, but the system would look different.

Caldwell said if the federal money did not come, he would take the issue back to voters to let them decide.

Cayetano called that unrealistic, particularly if construction had begun and columns already were sticking 30 feet out of the ground. During time when candidates had a chance to expand on any question put forward, Cayetano badgered Caldwell to answer what he would do if the project ran out of money.

Caldwell said he felt he answered the question, saying he would take the issue to the people, adding that he was not going to be goaded into the answer Cayetano wanted.

"How are you going to take it back to the people," Cayetano said. "It's hanging in the air.

"I don't know if they like the answer but I think they can figure you out."

None committed to a site on where they felt would best suit the city's next solid waste landfill, although all agreed that more needed to be done to increase recycling and reduce the amount of waste diverted to the landfill.

Carlisle noted that the recent decision by an advisory panel naming Kahuku as the best site for a new landfill was only a recommendation. "It's simply a starting point for discussion," he said. "That's all it is."






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what wrote:
Quote: the price tag is likely to be closer to $7 billion. Neither Carlisle nor Caldwell challenged him on the figure.
HART, working on behalf of big-time contractors Parsons Brinkerhoff, Kiewit, Ansaldo, et. al., is already asking for another $450 million dollar credit line that they promise they won't use. Yeah right. The quote above is complicit acknowledgement that they contractors will take the money and stick Oahu taxpayers with the bill. Wake up Oahu! You're being ripped off. You're being sold a rail too big and too expensive for a small city like Honolulu, and you will pay dearly for it.
on May 3,2012 | 02:03AM
false wrote:
Right on, what. And there's further evidence that $7-billion is closer to the final price tag, including:

1. The Mayor's Office secretly removing the debt-ceiling guideline for the Rail project last October;

2. The Mayor/HART pushing forward a bill to float General Obligation Bonds to pay for Rail; and,

;

3. The Mayor/HART diverting about $300-million from TheBus and HandiVan to the Rail project.

RAIL COST TOO MUCH, DOES TOO LITTLE, AND BENEFITS TOO FEW


on May 3,2012 | 02:57AM
false wrote:
RAIL COST TOO MUCH: at $5.27 billion, that's over $5,500 per man, woman, & child on Oahu or $50,000 per foot of the 20-mile Rail route; at $7-billion, that's over $7,300 per man, woman & child, or $66,000 per foot;

DOES TOO LITTLE: even Wayne Yoshiyoka, of HART, admitted that Rail will not solve the traffic-congestion problem for West Oahu,and,

BENEFITS TOO FEW: at best, only 6% of commuters will be willing and able to use Rail if it was built. What about the other 94%?


on May 3,2012 | 03:11AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope these are lies. Rail is on a solid financial basis. Rail is projected to cost 40% of the total cost to residents of Oahu. It's not that expensive-- about $2.5 Billion, or $20 per person per month. Nobody even knows that they have been taxed on the rail for the past two years.
on May 3,2012 | 05:06AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
For an engineer, wiliki, you don't seem to think very logically. You must be among the wealthy who will get richer if the rail is built. Doesn't everyone realize that the minority who support the proposed train are all rich and the project is opposed by the common people, the maka`ainana of O`ahu. $66,000 per foot, the most expensive railroad in the history of mankind, for a small Island population such as we are? Duh
on May 3,2012 | 05:48AM
Jsato wrote:
Clearly the rail is ridiculously mismanaged and huge waste of $$. We need to remember who got this whole thing going: Mufi Hannemann. He did this much damage just as mayor. If he gets into Congress it will be 10 times worse! He is the one who negotiated these locked-in contracts, deceived the public and now is walking away laughing figuring he'll be on a high seat in Congress any day now. Don't forget, people of Hawaii, this is Mufi's legacy!
on May 3,2012 | 07:45AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Good point, Jsato. Mufi has been noticeably quiet on rail since the voters gave him the boot. But we cannot forget what he started and how he went about doing it hence the moniker "bully" stuck with him. We have an opportunity to get Mufi and Peter out of our hair. BTW, it'll be interesting where Kirk ends up in the election because it'll tell everyone how much power the unions still have in the state. Also, can anyone tell me why Nestor Garcia was not recalled for an obvious conflict of interest when took a $60K part time, assistant secretary position with a pro rail group? There's something really fishy going on with this one. No one on the city council took exception and certainly no one in our state legislator, yet it's a flagrant misuse of power.
on May 3,2012 | 08:08AM
OldDiver wrote:
We still waiting for Ben Cayetano to announce his alternative to rail? Is he ever going to come out with one? Ben?
on May 3,2012 | 08:24AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, OldDiver, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 08:52AM
Hodad wrote:
You are so wrong. The procurement process followed state law. There were only about 1,000 public meetings on rail. Did you bother to go. So how is that deceiving anyone? There is no other project that will boost the Oahu economy, which helps us all like rail (and I live in Kailua). Projects like this are what this generation should do for furture generations. It will revitalize places like Waipahu and Kalihi. I guess you don't care about those areas. Thankfully, Mufi did and does.
on May 3,2012 | 12:17PM
beachbum11 wrote:
Doe's OD have a plan for anything else but rail? HOPE HE CAN PAY HIS FAIR SHARE
on May 3,2012 | 01:11PM
wiliki wrote:
Nope Mufi's legacy of bringing rail is secure. Construction has started. But we also need to give credit to the long suffering people o f West and Central Oahu who have worked long and hard for this day.

None of us pro-rail folks are profiting from rail. But we will be using it.... That's what happens when you're on fixed income. You don't get to be chauffeured around.


on May 3,2012 | 01:41PM
HawaiiNoKaOi wrote:
Sorry wiliki.......you're not all there! Go get em Ben.........you're the fighter we've been waiting for! Aloha!
on May 3,2012 | 09:41AM
mudsprkt1 wrote:
Yes, there is an alternative to rail for benny. Add more buses to our roadways that are already screwed. So instead of sitting in traffic for 1-1/2hr. from the Westside, it will be 3 hours. yea righton. You know what, we already have enough POTTED PLANTS as you put it....
on May 3,2012 | 12:21PM
Mana wrote:
Yep, Ben's the same fighter who promised us an education system "second to none" when he was Governor. What makes you think he's going to succeed as Mayor....being good at telling people what they want to hear?
on May 3,2012 | 12:50PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Ben: • Pushed through one of the biggest state personal income tax reductions in the nation at the time • Reduced the size and growth of state government to less than the inflation rate • Established the Hawai‘i Tourism Authority • Implemented civil service reform • Built a record number of public schools • Built a record number of homes for Native Hawaiian homesteaders • Developed the Hawai‘i Convention Center to boost tourism • Started the Hawai‘i State Art Museum • Began construction of the new John A. Burns School of Medicine and research center for the University of Hawai‘i • Kept his promise to make public education his highest priority by sparing schools from budget cuts at the expense of other state departments • Ordered the State Attorney General to investigate the Bishop Estate, an $11 billion trust fund set up for the benefit and education of Hawaiian children • When Hawaii’s economy rebounded in 1999, Ben promoted growth in new areas to further diversify the economy • Created the nation’s first state-funded after-school Plus (A )in 1989.
on May 3,2012 | 01:45PM
Mana wrote:
@hybrid1: When NCLB (no child left behind) went into effect (coincidentally, at the end of Cayetano's term), Hawaii was at the bottom of all states in "making adequate yearly progress." http://www.educationbug.org/a/public-school-ratings.html. Second to none? Hardly.
on May 3,2012 | 02:41PM
aiea7 wrote:
mana - ye, ben is all waha - our public education system is not even second, more like last place. he likes to make false promises (which is really lying). all he care about is himself and his unloyal friends, he could care less about the people, that is why he plans to kill rail and leave the west siders stuck in traffic forever, as he will not provide an alternative. people this bird is not sincere, he does not like us "common" people, only caters to the "elite" people.
on May 3,2012 | 08:07PM
beachbum11 wrote:
Right on Mr. Haugen. The other guy only thinks pro rail can't stop and think any other way.
on May 3,2012 | 01:08PM
tiki886 wrote:
Wiliki: "Nobody even knows that they have been taxed on the rail for the past two years." Let me bend over some more. Ouch!
on May 3,2012 | 06:09AM
wondermn1 wrote:
I know that we have been taxed and so does every business on this Island, when they have to send out the GE tax check on or before the 20th of each month. For me it was as much as $1000.00 extra per month for the 1/2 % even though I was breaking even or even losing money the TAX had to be paid. It used to be prior to RAIL that we had till month end to pay then they shortened it to the 20th, 1/3 less time to pay. RAIL SUCKS THE MONEY OUT OF THE TAXPAYERS POCKETS. You can bet it will get worse and cost each TAX PAYER more.
on May 3,2012 | 06:51AM
palani wrote:
tiki886, I think the acceptable euphemism for your "bend over" comment is "Move Oahu Forward", seemingly appropriated from MSNBC's "Lean Forward" or the new Obama campaign slogan "Forward". ("Forward" also was the name of Germany's Social Democratic Party's propagandizing newspaper of the 1930's.)
on May 3,2012 | 07:10AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Germany, kidding right?
on May 3,2012 | 07:36AM
OldDiver wrote:
The anti-rail folks are stuck in silly land.
on May 3,2012 | 08:25AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, OldDiver and NanakuliBoss, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 08:53AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Paid bloggers like OldDiver and NanakuliBoss look silly when they are asked anything about rail financing. Both do not have the faintest idea what the 3rd source of financing that Hart is seeking to get $244 million for building rail.
on May 3,2012 | 05:07PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Wiliki knows nothing about the very basic facts of the GET and rail. It is ludicrous for wiliki to be engaged in discussions concerning rail when he simply knows nothing about the GET with his "rail for the past two years".
on May 3,2012 | 07:31AM
MKN wrote:
You can't really blame Wiliki for making all of the comments that he makes. He's a paid blogger who conveniently calls any arguments contrary to his own lies. He's a joke!!!
on May 3,2012 | 08:27AM
allie wrote:
solid basis? lol. wiliki-Campbell Estate employee we suppose
on May 3,2012 | 07:25AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Have to agree with MKN. Brother wiliki you got to come with stronger facts than "the opposition tells lies." Dude earn your paid time on these blogs.
on May 3,2012 | 08:34AM
jusjoking wrote:
no such thing anymore. campbell company now, and wiliki doesn't sound intelligent enough, sounding like an old broken record, to work for the new corporation. they got their land rezoned and sold years ago. the land not rezoned was sold as is to people that understand zoning rules are nothing more than suggested best use. rules that can be changed anytime with political influence and eough money.
on May 3,2012 | 10:20AM
Kuniarr wrote:
More Krugman BS from wiliki. Your "Rail is projected to cost 40% of the total cost to residents of Oahu" is but coming from a figment of your imagination. So too is your $2.5 billion and $20 per person per month. Wiliki, your complete ignorance on the facts that HART has been preaching and on the facts about the GET is exemplified by your saying "Nobody even knows that they have been taxed on the rail for the past two years". Ask yourself, wiliki "Why is wiliki wrong in saying "Nobody even knows that they have been taxed on the rail for the past two years"? You see, wiliki, you keep involving yourself in the discussion about rail but you do not even know the very basic information concerning rail.
on May 3,2012 | 07:27AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Cayetano was a troll looking mumbler. Did anybody understand him? Speak up Ben.
on May 3,2012 | 07:38AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Understood him loud and clear, Union Boss. And, it's obvious Caldwell and Peter have to go.
on May 3,2012 | 08:09AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, NanakuliBoss. What are the three (3) sources of funding for rail? Yes, GET and FTA's $1.55 billion. But that's only two. What's the 3rd source?
on May 3,2012 | 08:24AM
OldDiver wrote:
Did Ben have anything else to add to the debate but personal insults?
on May 3,2012 | 08:27AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Ben kicked some okole. Sorry but can anyone respect Petey when he says he's "Pete Carlise" and then gives you the shaka like he's a 12-year-old kid? Not sure if he has the maturity for the job. His argument for rail: "look, it's up, it's already started. Can't stop it now." Oh we going stop it baby.
on May 3,2012 | 08:37AM
jkjones wrote:
yeah understand loud and clear,,Cayetano said nanikuliboss is a potted plant.
on May 3,2012 | 11:48AM
allie wrote:
Nanakuli Boss can be mean but I like him. Hope I am not the only one though :)
on May 3,2012 | 04:23PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Really, and you are not a troll not being able to know what government agench where HART seeks to get $244 million to finance rail from, NanakuliBoss?
on May 3,2012 | 05:09PM
aiea7 wrote:
waipahu - calling the kettle black? you like to blog but you are hardly a sophisticated blogger on rail, all you post are biased, false, irrelevant and nonsensical comments.
on May 3,2012 | 07:45AM
allie wrote:
We are not getting the federal Money. Mitt Romnety will ends it and Tea Party folks dislike Hawaii. Even if we got the money it does not begin to pay for rail. Rail is done
on May 3,2012 | 08:22AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, aiea7 and NanakuliBoss. There are two sources of funding for Rail - GET and the $1.55 billion from the FTA. What is the 3rd source of funding for Rail?
on May 3,2012 | 08:12AM
pakeheat wrote:
WoW! Can't wait for their answers Kuniarr, LOL.
on May 3,2012 | 08:19AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Those guys are just paid bloggers which is why they know little if nothing about rail financing.
on May 3,2012 | 05:02PM
Ronin006 wrote:
wiliki, you most likely are one of the bloggers hired by HART to respond to every negative comment about rail. No one could have the knowledge you calim to possess about rail without the Q&A Play Book provided you by HART. I think you are GoRailGo reincarnated.
on May 3,2012 | 12:56PM
allie wrote:
true
on May 3,2012 | 06:44AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Go Mayor Ben Go, Honolulu needs you as our Mayor to stop the Boondoggle RAIL MONEY GRAB and to begin to fix our infrastructure properly.Lets alol vote for Ben in the primary and save months of BS
on May 3,2012 | 06:46AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
I still predict it will be more than $10 billion, based on knowledge of past projects in our town, with cost overruns, etc., and you are right .. it costs too much, does too little, and benefits too few. I'm reminded of Mufi's logic "do we need it? Can we maintain it? Can we afford it?" or something like that. Based on that, he would probably kill the rail if he were still Mayor. And when all the facts are made known to Mayor Carlisle, I think he will reverse his opinion and tear down that wall.
on May 3,2012 | 05:45AM
allie wrote:
agreed
on May 3,2012 | 07:24AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
I predict it will actually go below budget once the lawsuit is dismissed and the anti sentiments fall by the tracksides.
on May 3,2012 | 07:40AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, NanakuliBoss, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source,NanakuliBoss?
on May 3,2012 | 08:14AM
OldDiver wrote:
Tourist.
on May 3,2012 | 08:29AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Tourist, OD? Tourist? Wrong, OD. That's the GET that the tourist pay. So what's the 3rd source, OldDiver?
on May 3,2012 | 09:00AM
pakeheat wrote:
Where is aiea7 answer seeing that OD was wrong? LOL.
on May 3,2012 | 09:10AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Third funding? How's about the money rail would generate from commerce, livable housing, a new vibrant Honolulu especially along the route. Waipahu, u think small time. All you of is your mislay property tax. I bet you have all your money in stocked in bonds. No growth minds, like Cayetano.
on May 3,2012 | 09:47AM
Kuniarr wrote:
More BS. I asked you a simple question, NanakuliBoss And you give me an answer based on your opinion. You see, NanakuliBoss, all you people who are proponents of rail should know what that third source of funding to build rail is coming from.
on May 3,2012 | 01:03PM
allie wrote:
But the hideousness of the rail will ruin the appetite of those wanting to move to the west Side!
on May 3,2012 | 04:24PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The Federal Transportation Agency does not get funding from GET. Your rambling questions needs clarification.
on May 3,2012 | 02:33PM
Kuniarr wrote:
OKAY. HART is seeking a 3rd source to get rail funding for $244 million. Do you know what that 3rd source is which is a government agency that HART is knocking on its doors to get the $244 million? That not clear enough for you, NanakuliBoss? So, what is that thired source to get $244 million, NanakuliBoss?
on May 3,2012 | 05:13PM
ammb3 wrote:
I wouln't bet $1 on your prediction.
on May 3,2012 | 08:17AM
ammb3 wrote:
Removing lead paint from City Hall was predicted to cost $100,000. They just awarded the contract for $250,000. See the pattern on projects NanakuliBoss???
on May 3,2012 | 08:27AM
MKN wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: It might have had a chance to do that had they not spent millions on advertising, coloring books, and wrote the contract in such a way that it allows the contractors to charge the city more money for any delays or change orders. I predict that it will go over budget by at least 20% and that's being conservative. I also predict that most of the federal funding will fall through the floor if the Republicans make any gains during the fall elections and/or if they keep control of the US House of Representatives. The only money we may see IF it passes is the $250 million that the FTA requested this year. Oh and btw, NanakuliBoss is another paid blogger as well. Just like Wiliki. LOL!!!
on May 3,2012 | 08:38AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Please. Someone pay me for my opinion! I'm waiting for an "envelope", or back room deal.
on May 3,2012 | 10:19AM
MKN wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: No need to be shy that you're on HART's payroll. LOL!!!
on May 3,2012 | 11:09AM
ammb3 wrote:
okay. here is your 1 cent envelope. Can I have some change back?
on May 3,2012 | 11:57AM
PCWarrior wrote:
If your opinion was worth something I'd send the cash. But you just silly. You think taxpayers are stupid.
on May 3,2012 | 12:07PM
Imagen wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: Your check is on the "train"...coming to you.
on May 3,2012 | 12:25PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Pcfollower,is my opinion means nothing then the anti rants after my opinion was priceless.
on May 3,2012 | 01:55PM
allie wrote:
I will not.
on May 3,2012 | 04:23PM
OldDiver wrote:
Keith...........You and Ben can make predictions all day. I would like to know how you and Ben came up with those numbers. Specifics please.........
on May 3,2012 | 08:31AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, OldDiver, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:01AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for rail" (not "funding for the FTA")
on May 3,2012 | 06:47PM
loquaciousone wrote:
David Shapiro where are you?
on May 3,2012 | 07:15AM
allie wrote:
well said
on May 3,2012 | 07:26AM
soshaljustic wrote:
The most ignorant part? Education is bereft and remiss in the process. While vocalized far and wide from the top on down the ladder, it is the one and only component that has been missed. When a myriad of major industries could have intersected in this very juncture, we see once again the plan mini-mainland mentality at play! WHY? The major players are so smart they are stupid, at this point in time. Off island, they have forgotten what it is to be home. Major players that are home, have forgotten what it is to be the citizen taxpayer! The citizen taxpayer that still believes, has no real conception of the total costs involved, both real property and hidden lifestyle costs within the next 20 years and beyond, for their families. They cannot even imagine themselves 10yrs from now, when rail will be running, what impact it will have on their lives. WHO will drive them, their parents, their grandparents around? How will they be able to take off from work, afford to do so, with social service funding being dropped from budgets now? Where are those laws that will cover these situations? Who will pay for these eventualities? The hidden costs are many besides the increases in fees to pay for that portion the Feds do not cover in costs for a costly choo choo screaming in the night!
on May 3,2012 | 05:56PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
More lies. Irt what...all of the budget for Rail is on track. That means the collected GET is rising and the federal portion is on the way. No need for doomsday lies. Right now GET along with the rise in tourist and spending is actually outpacing the predictions of money in the HART coffers. Yes the Hawaii economy is booming.
on June 11,2012 | 07:09PM
DPK wrote:
Potted plants or Cayetano? The choice is clear. Elect someone who sees reality or candidates that swallow air when asked the hard questions. Mr. Cayetano must be the next mayor!
on May 3,2012 | 02:54AM
allie wrote:
Ben dismantled the two haoles. He made them look weak, confused, dishhonest. Which is what they are. Ben cleans house in this election.
on May 3,2012 | 06:45AM
sluggah wrote:
Racist!
on May 3,2012 | 07:20AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Allie does that all the time. She's nuts, but harmless, or senile.
on May 3,2012 | 07:42AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, NanakuliBoss, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:03AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Waipahu,how about tj maxx? Man what a crowd today! Why would anybody shop and spend money when this GET taxes are looming over our heads. Oh, gloom, were doomed.
on May 3,2012 | 09:51AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
What part of Allie's comment is "racist"?? Trying to play the race card right off the bat, huh?
on May 3,2012 | 08:11AM
allie wrote:
True..I was just identifying the two opponents. It is in no way racist to note that they are haoles. I am Mandan myself
on May 3,2012 | 08:14AM
false wrote:
Allie, FYI, it is politically and culturaly to use those words. That word is used mostly in rage and is inappropriate in this setting.
on May 3,2012 | 09:33AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Were you enraged,Allie?
on May 3,2012 | 10:00AM
allie wrote:
I thought it meant foreigner or white? No, I was not angry. I was just IDing them
on May 3,2012 | 04:12PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Allie. Your mad man dan? Oh,,so you sell cars? Oh, I see the connection now. Big Car Group.
on May 3,2012 | 10:22AM
aiea7 wrote:
nanakuli - no she/he is an american indian, watch out, she might tomohawk your head.
on May 3,2012 | 08:21PM
pakeheat wrote:
I think he learned it from Mufi? LOL.
on May 3,2012 | 08:21AM
OldDiver wrote:
allie....some of us judge candidates by their platforms not there empty promises or their ability to throw insults.
on May 3,2012 | 08:33AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, OldDiver, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:04AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
If your asking a question, then end it with a? mark. Also the FTA is funded by Washington D.C. Your were speaking about the Federal Transportation Agency, right?
on May 3,2012 | 02:30PM
Kuniarr wrote:
My mistake. it should read "funding for Rail" not "funding for the FTA". So, with that clarified, tell us NanakuliBoss: "What is the 3rd source of funding for $244 million that HART is seeking from"? More hint: What government agency is that?
on May 3,2012 | 05:18PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Ok,mistake excepted.
on May 3,2012 | 08:00PM
Kuniarr wrote:
It is amazing how you,NanakuliBoss, aiea7, wiliki, Keith_Rollman, OldDiver and the new ones who are prolific in defending rail are mere pretenders for not a single one of you know the answer to this one simple question: What is the 3rd source that HART is seeking to get $244 million in additional funding for rail? I will be asking this same question again and again and see if any of you pretenders to be pro-rail I say pretenders because all of you get paid to be bloggers for rail in his forum begin to study this thing that you pretenders are championing. Particularly this foul mouthed aiea7.
on May 3,2012 | 10:15PM
aiea7 wrote:
wapahu - you so dumb, you cannot even ask the question correctly. what are 3 sources of funding for the FTA? the FTA is funded by the federal government, more specifically the Dept, of Trans. GET does not fund the FTA. totally ridiculous. you are really a joke.
on May 3,2012 | 08:24PM
false wrote:
IRT: "Caldwell said if the federal money did not come, he would take the issue back to voters to let them decide., why wait?

If we wait until after the FTA money does not come, that would require a special election to take the issue back to voters, costing $millions, and require much extra time & effort for everyone. Why not just put 2 questions on the November ballot and save the money, time, and effort?

(1) Should Honolulu continue building Rail?, and,

(2) If you answered "YES" to question (1), should Honolulu continue building Rail even if the $1.55-billion FTA money does not come in?


on May 3,2012 | 03:24AM
wiliki wrote:
Why wait? Because it's not likely to happen. Caldwell says that in the hypothetical event that federal funding does not come in, he would take it back to the voters as to whether to continue. Why even bother to respond to a question that will unlikely be even asked?
on May 3,2012 | 05:09AM
wondermn1 wrote:
wiliki, It looks like you are used to federal TAX freebies. We the working people understand thaty federal money is still our TAX PAYERS MONIESand we don't want it wasted on people like you.
on May 3,2012 | 06:54AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, wiliki. What are the 3 sources of funding for Rail? Yes, GET and FTA. But what is the 3rd source wiliki?
on May 3,2012 | 08:15AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Caldwell will never let the public vote because he knows the surveys and polls held while he was in office show support for the rail in single digits.
on May 3,2012 | 05:49AM
allie wrote:
spot-on. If we held a vote today, knowing the real costs that Mufi lied about and hid, the population would vote rail down.
on May 3,2012 | 07:23AM
allie wrote:
caldwell knows the public does not want rail. But he does not represent the public at all
on May 3,2012 | 07:24AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
There was a crowd of people stopping in Kapolei to watch the construction. The Giant Drill, was awesome!
on May 3,2012 | 07:44AM
allie wrote:
It was like a spear in the heart of Honolulu
on May 3,2012 | 08:15AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
No Allie, it was in Kapolei.
on May 3,2012 | 10:32AM
Imagen wrote:
It's an analogy NanakuliBoss; something that you wouldn't understand. It doesn't take rocket science to realize that this project HAD its merits, but that was thrown out the window with the deceipt and playing with words and filtered mirrors, on those that we shall not say... Remember another thing NanakuliBoss, wiliki, OD, etc., there are the pro railers; the antis; and now a third group - FKA pro rail, but not now. It is this last group of voters that you all should really be concerned with. The ones that actually did listen to the rhetoric and now have egg splashed all over their faces in embarrassment! To think that a very viable alterntive is now a controversial issue dividing this island into factions. How sad! And to benefit a few? Seriously...
on May 3,2012 | 12:34PM
aiea7 wrote:
imagen - it is not an analogy, but a metaphor. guess you just like waipahu, don't understand english.
on May 3,2012 | 08:27PM
allie wrote:
Honolulu inclkudes Kapolei. City and County of Honolulu is the island.
on May 3,2012 | 04:13PM
aiea7 wrote:
allie, you suffer from the same disease as waipahu, cannot understand english. honolulu does not include kapolei, they are both seperate cities; the city and county of honolulu encompasses the island of oahu.
on May 3,2012 | 08:30PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, NanakuliBoss, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 08:25AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for rail" (not "funding for the FTA).
on May 3,2012 | 05:19PM
pakeheat wrote:
What, maybe 10? 4 from HART and 6 from Honolulu City Councilmembers?
on May 3,2012 | 08:25AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
6 is the majority! As Ikaika said, "we need 2/3 council vote".
on May 3,2012 | 10:23AM
ammb3 wrote:
Doesn't mean they are all supporting the project.
on May 3,2012 | 08:29AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Dude get off your phallic fantasies. This is a family blog.
on May 3,2012 | 08:41AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Ah,you mentioned it pcfollower.
on May 3,2012 | 10:25AM
OldDiver wrote:
false.............are you unaware that federal money has already been approved for the project?
on May 3,2012 | 08:34AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey,OldDiver, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:04AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for rail" (not "funding for the FTA")
on May 3,2012 | 05:20PM
ejkorvette wrote:
Nice Picture of "THE THREE STOOGES" !!! Laughing all the Way to the Bank. How about a Working Class Man or Woman Mayor and/or Govenor? Protest Oahu Residents, PROTEST, PROTEST and Don't Stop Protesting Until We Have Honesty, Frugal/Sensible Spending, and People Representation. OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE!!!
on May 3,2012 | 03:25AM
allie wrote:
Ben is working class. He came out of the streets of Kalihihi. He earned our respect and devotion. He represents the working class and the middle class and unlike the others, is no stooge for the rich developers on the West side.
on May 3,2012 | 07:23AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Bs.Allie. Ben never go pass Kahala mall. He's the riches of the three,and he's been retired for 10 plus years! Those contracts during his term were rewarding. It's the gift that keeps on giving! When is he going to pay off his fine for campaign violations! Us state taxpayers could the extra 500k plus. State auditor Higa should investigate!
on May 3,2012 | 10:29AM
Kuniarr wrote:
NanakuliBoss, you keep defending and promoting rail but do you know what the 3 source of funding for rail? GET is one. FTA for $1.55 billion is two. But what is the third source which is a government agency that HART hopes to get $244 million from?
on May 3,2012 | 05:27PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Exceptional ridership that will overflow the farebox.
on May 3,2012 | 08:02PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Ridership? Wrong, NanakuliBoss. See, you really have no idea what I am talking about, do you, NanakuliBoss. Here, let me make it simpler: What is the government agency or third source of rail funding that HART is seeking to obtain additional funding in the amount of $244 million for rail?
on May 3,2012 | 10:28PM
false wrote:
Sorry, he deserves nothing. He has not earned my respect. Just because he came from "Kalihihi" doesn't make him special. Lots of people from Kalihi command more respect.
on May 3,2012 | 10:36AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Check the polls partner. Ben has the respect of the voters.
on May 3,2012 | 12:11PM
false wrote:
Not this voter! I will vote but I won't vote for any of these Bozos.
on May 3,2012 | 12:23PM
Mana wrote:
Working class? Do you know who he married? I'd say he's pretty well off. Open your mind. When it costs $6 million to repave a 1/4 mile stretch of Moanalua Road, doesn't it make you wonder why?
on May 3,2012 | 12:55PM
aiea7 wrote:
that is right allie, but now he believes that since he was gov, he is "elite" class, so he has abandoned his filipino and leeward support by killing rail - the only viable alternative to their traffic problems. to make things worse, he has no plan to to replace rail. he simply believes that they don't deserve anything.
on May 3,2012 | 03:23PM
Kuniarr wrote:
More BS from aiea7. We already have a "viable alternative to their traffic problems" today in the Bus on the Zipper and soon on the Contra-flow. There is no need for rail. Rail is a waste of city and taxpayer funds that could be better used to repair and improve our deteriorating infrastructure. BTW, you keep defending and promoting rail but do you know what the 3 source of funding for rail? GET is one. FTA for $1.55 billion is two. But what is the third source which is a government agency that HART hopes to get $244 million from?
on May 3,2012 | 05:26PM
aiea7 wrote:
but he is a stooge for the antis, looney libertarian slater and his gang. just because he was gov., he thinks he is a "big man" but he is still a midget running in circles, mumbling to himself.
on May 3,2012 | 08:33PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, aiea7. You are back. You are the blogger for rail. You pretend you know much about rail except when I ask you a simple question you try to avoid me and talk to a "waipahu". Tell us or your favorite target "waipahu", aiea7: What is the 3rd source that HART is seeking to get additional funding of $244 million for rail?
on May 3,2012 | 10:24PM
Smiley7 wrote:
Ben has my vote, if you have doubts about him, read his book plus talk to people who know and worked with him. We will rue the day if rail is not stopped as the stations become a haven for the self imposed homeless, addicts and criminals just dying to ply their trade. Who will provide enforcement? HPD? There aren't enough officers as is to enforce the current laws on the books. $7 billion is the final price tag, try doubling that plus add a few hundred million. Dem's are never satisfied whenever money is involved or have we forgotten that? Auwe!
on May 3,2012 | 04:52AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Scare tactics. Homeless, ohhhh, addicts, noooo, criminals, oommmgggg, rapist, al Qaeda, aliens, all hanging out at the station, trying to get free wifi from Starbucks! Take your cameras, because unlike Universal studios, picture taking is free.
on May 3,2012 | 07:47AM
Kuniarr wrote:
What are the 3 sources of funding for rail, NanakuliBoss?
on May 3,2012 | 08:17AM
pakeheat wrote:
"Density without mobility is death," he told us. That's what the H-1 is. People are dying out there". Scare tactics NanakuliBoss, here what Grabauskas said on Civil Beat?
on May 3,2012 | 08:33AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Nana nana you losing it - face it dude the people will speak and rail will fail. But you'll still get your PR payment from HART.
on May 3,2012 | 07:19PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Last checked, there still drill and constructing!
on May 3,2012 | 08:04PM
wiliki wrote:
Sounds like it was a great debate. Cayetano still having no alternative plan, and not admitting to the financial soundness of the plan.
on May 3,2012 | 05:02AM
etalavera wrote:
No plan Ben Cayetano. Mid-April he said he'd release his transit plan. It's May already! Before you anti's say he has a plan, please provide the link to Ben's campaign website.
on May 3,2012 | 05:20AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
I guess no plan sounds better than the proposed railroad. Personally, I wish the City would have considered the better, less-expensive alternatives. We could already see improvement in our traffic.
on May 3,2012 | 05:51AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
There you have it, folks. No plan is the plan.
on May 3,2012 | 06:43AM
allie wrote:
Ben is right: rebuild our infratstructure first, themn build a modern rail system oin the ground with the right route and new technology.
on May 3,2012 | 07:22AM
aiea7 wrote:
ben won't be around to see this new rail being built. it will take at least another 15 years before any new building can take place as it will take at least 5 years to fix our other infrastructure problems. by then it would cost $20 billion, how would you antis like that? guess many of the antis who are old will unlikely be around by then, so they don't care. but then, your grandchildren will have to pay even more than if rail was built now. stop this stupid deception.
on May 3,2012 | 07:50AM
allie wrote:
We don't want rail at any price. We want slower growth
on May 3,2012 | 08:16AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, aiea7. What are the 3 sources of funding for rail? Yes, aiea7. Three (3). Not two (2) but three(3). Yes, aiea7. GET and the $155 billio from the FTA. But that's only two. What's the 3rd source, aiea7. Yes, aiea7 There's a 3rd source. What is it?
on May 3,2012 | 08:19AM
MKN wrote:
@aiea7: So you admit that our grandchildren will be paying a lot for this boondoggle of a rail system to begin with? LOL!
on May 3,2012 | 08:44AM
etalavera wrote:
allie: You said Ben will rebuild our infrastructure then build an at-grade rail system. Then you say "we don't want rail at any price, we want slower growth." Which one is it? Furthermore, how do you plan on slowing growth? You do realize that the low supply of housing contributes to high housing prices right? But of course you said you dorm, so you wouldn't know about housing prices. Maybe while at UH you should try taking an economics course. High demand & low supply = high prices. If people want affordable housing, then you need to increase supply.
on May 3,2012 | 09:43AM
MKN wrote:
@etalavera: Actually the root problem of traffic is overpopulation, so what really needs to happen is Honolulu needs to stop building new homes and just fix up the ones that we have now. Good luck getting that to happen though.
on May 3,2012 | 10:19AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Aiea7, why is it you do not even know what the third source of funding to build rail is? Here's a hint. The total amount that HART expects to get from this 3rd source of funding is $244 million. Now where will this $244 million come from, aiea7?
on May 3,2012 | 01:37PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, Keith_Rollman, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 08:28AM
aiea7 wrote:
waipahu, if you don't know, then look it up for yourself. do you think i am going to tell you? what is the purp;ose of asking the question over and over again.? are you delusional? one thing for sure, you are redundant in more ways than one.
on May 3,2012 | 10:14AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over thinking you're going to get a different result.
on May 3,2012 | 10:33AM
Kuniarr wrote:
You see, Keith_Rolllman, you guys advocate rail yet do not know basic information concerning rail funding. You apparently know that funds for rail will come from GET collections and FTA funding. Yet you do not have any idea at all where a $244 million source of funding to build rail would be coming from. LOL.
on May 3,2012 | 01:47PM
Kuniarr wrote:
aiea7, the person who is delusional is replying to my comment talking to a "waipahu". So where is that $244 million source of funding coming from, aiea7?
on May 3,2012 | 01:42PM
pakeheat wrote:
Better than a terrible, lousy, and irresponsible rail plan KR.
on May 3,2012 | 08:34AM
PCWarrior wrote:
A hairy woman is better than no woman. No, she isn't.
on May 3,2012 | 08:44AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Keith Haugen, your pretty honest and I respect your thoughts, but I know you live in town. Twice this week I had the luxury of driving on the H1, eastbound at 0830 hrs. The westbound lanes from the merge H1/H2 to the stadium was a parking lot. 5 miles long. Why? The zipper takes two opposite lanes. Always has. Most people don't talk about this. People going west, to leeward or north shore are stuck. Commerce at this time sucks. BEN what is your plan? Don't take anymore lanes for zippers,bus,tolls expressway. Why quote from the UH traffic think tanks ( Panos)? Would you go to UH medical school for a bypass?
on May 3,2012 | 08:00AM
allie wrote:
move to town then. I live in a dorm and walk or bikeride everywhere
on May 3,2012 | 08:17AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The taxpayers are getting rip if Allie lives in our dorm. She can even write or spell! Out of stater, using our tax dollars. Move back to man dan land.
on May 3,2012 | 10:38AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Getting away from the debate and moving to personal insults Nanakuli? Yup if you can't attack their message, then kill the messenger right? Label and outcast them right? Sad.
on May 3,2012 | 12:16PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, NanakuliBoss, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 08:27AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Somebody,knock that parrot off waipahu's head.
on May 3,2012 | 10:39AM
pakeheat wrote:
And so the story is rail going West bound and ends in Kapolei will resolve the congestion? So you had the luxury of driving eastbound on H1, did it take you two or three hours and if more buses were used on the zipper lanes there will be less traffic?
on May 3,2012 | 08:42AM
MKN wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: You realize that the zipper is not going away and that the State is planning on expanding it to both sides of the freeway? If its really as bad as you say it is, they should build a 1-2 lane flyover to replace the zipper lane. No one is talking about that. Not even the State Government which actually has jurisdiction over H-1/H-2, so really your assertion that Ben or the other two clowns running for Mayor have any say on this is a gross misrepresentation.
on May 3,2012 | 09:00AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mkn,where are these bus plans that Ben talks about? Will they be on C&C surface streets? Omg. More traffic. How much will it cost for 2 lanes,including shoulder, for 20 miles? Including purchase of Real Estate? Oh, floating it in air? Ahhh. I didn't think of that. Bens plan is NO. He has NO plans for the future of Honolulu.
on May 3,2012 | 10:46AM
MKN wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: Changing the subject because you can't win the current argument? Wow!!! That's funny! LOL! As for your 2 lanes including shoulder statement, they would build a replacement of it (known as a reversible flyover) over the existing H-1 and Moanalua Freeways. As a state project, there would be no need to purchase real estate since the route would be over the existing freeway. Also, since it would be an enhancement to the current Interstate Highway, there's a good chance that the Federal Government would cover 90% of the cost and it would come in at around $1-2 Billion total. Not the $5.3 Billion that it is costing Hawaii's taxpayers now.
on May 3,2012 | 12:08PM
Kuniarr wrote:
More BS. Our infrastructure is deteriorating and falling apart and you guys want to waste over $5 billion to build rail and use up precious city money for repairing and improving our infrastructure to yearly fund HART, rail police and rail subsidy? I say waste because we already have the bus on the Zipper and soon the Contra-Flow as an alternative to traffic congestion and do not need waste billions on another "alternative to traffic congestion".
on May 3,2012 | 02:41PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Just more BS. Nothing more than another fictional tale. Traffic is always light westbound.
on May 3,2012 | 02:33PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Plan goal number one: "When you are in a hole, stop digging."
on May 3,2012 | 08:43AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mkn, you and anti railer, suggest that the Feds will not come thru with the $$$, even if Dan backs it. Then you say that a two lane "flyover" would cost 1-2 billion and the Feds would pay 80%.......really? Wow.
on May 3,2012 | 02:06PM
MKN wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: They are two different sets of funding. The Republicans in control of the US House of Representatives are more likely to support a new highway vs a rail system. The reason is because it would be utilized by the military in times of war to transport equipment between the various military bases on island. A rail system, however, provides no such benefit. That's why its easier for the Feds to fund a new highway than a rail system. Besides, building a new highway or upgrading an existing one is a heck of a lot cheaper than building the rail system from scratch.
on May 3,2012 | 03:35PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Yeah right, using the H3 logic, pearl to Kmcas. No way that's going to happen. This is just bs to stall progress. The plan of NO.
on May 3,2012 | 08:08PM
aiea7 wrote:
mkn - for your info, all the freeways linking the various military bases have been built. H1, H2 and H3. so you comments are not true. do you believe the feds would say okay to build multiple freeways to link the military bases? another crazy anti thinking. pure nonsence.
on May 3,2012 | 08:45PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, etalavera, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:06AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for rail"(not "funding for the FTA")
on May 3,2012 | 06:51PM
bender wrote:
Why were Carlisle and Caldwell silent on Ben's suggestion that rail would cost $7 billion? That was the most important point raised in the entire debate. With $1.5 billion hanging in limbo with the feds and another $1.7 billion possible over run funding questions do need to be answered. We cannot take the risk based on a guarantee, even from Dan Inouye.
on May 3,2012 | 05:46AM
Haumeakai wrote:
They were silent because they could deny it without lying.
on May 3,2012 | 06:35AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
They were silent because they weren't going to be baited in discussing hypothetical numbers Ben pulled out of the air.
on May 3,2012 | 06:44AM
false wrote:
Mr. Rollman, it's YOU who's pulling things "out of the air".

Go back and read the article again. It says: "He [Cayetano] cited three studies suggesting the price tag is likely to be closer to $7 billion. Neither Carlisle nor Caldwell challenged him on the figure."


on May 3,2012 | 06:56AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Studies??? From who? Clfif, Panos....Wendell Cox????The Reason Foundation???? Anybody can quote from a bogus "study." I'm surprised he could only find three! They've been cranking out the same garbage for twenty years.
on May 3,2012 | 07:08AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, Keith_Rollman. What are the three (3) sources of funding for rail? Yes, KR, GET and FTA's $1.55 billion. But that's only two. What's the 3rd source, KR?
on May 3,2012 | 08:21AM
ammb3 wrote:
STUDIES from the Federal Transportaion Administration (FTA) and the Lingle Admin.
on May 3,2012 | 08:33AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope a hatchet job for lame duck Lingle to kill rail for Oahu. We should remember than and the rest of her lame legacy for her term as the worst governor of Hawaiii.
on May 3,2012 | 01:36PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Really, KR, inventing things and then commenting on the things you invented is just a lot of BS. You've been cranking out a lot of garbage since you stepped into this forum, did you not, KR?
on May 3,2012 | 02:46PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, Keith_Rollman. What are the three (3) sources of funding for rail? Yes, KR, GET and FTA's $1.55 billion. But that's only two. What's the 3rd source, KR?
on May 3,2012 | 08:20AM
ammb3 wrote:
It's a proven FACT that FTA projects go 40% over budget. This is from the FTA's own numbers and facts!
on May 3,2012 | 08:35AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Haumeakai, Its hard to lie in public, much easier in backroom deals where cash is passed in little brown envelopes
on May 3,2012 | 07:08AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Haven't seen a brown envelope in decades. Only IRS use to use it. Nowadays, everybody efiles.
on May 3,2012 | 08:05AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, NanakuliBoss, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 08:28AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for rail" (not 'funding for the FTA").
on May 3,2012 | 05:31PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Hey,kuniarr, what are the three (3) stages of dementia? Yes. (1) repeating yourself (2) repeating yourself when no one responds to your, (3) answering yourself.
on May 3,2012 | 08:12PM
allie wrote:
true..their guilty silence spoke volumes
on May 3,2012 | 08:18AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Kind of like when they ask Ben for his plan.
on May 3,2012 | 10:36AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Pro railers, or paid bloggers: here's a hint. Nobody gives a rip where Ben's plan is. First thing we gotta do is get rid of this absolutely insane ridiculously expensive choo choo to nowhere. Stop the bleeding. Then focus on rehabbing the patient. But stop the bleeding first.
on May 3,2012 | 12:20PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Kind of when I asked you what the 3rd source of funding for Rail.
on May 3,2012 | 05:32PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Ben" did not offer specifics on his plans for a bus rapid transit system, and was not challenged on it, saying only that an alternative analysis (by Parsons Brinkerhoff in 2002) had previously shown a bus system would be more flexible and better suited for Honolulu than an "eyesore" rail line that would take money away from core services and drive visitors away." Parsons stated BRT is cheaper and carries more pax to more places than rail.
on May 3,2012 | 06:44AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Nothing but BS. So, what is the plan, wiliki? If you are so ignorant even about the GET (remember? You keep preaching "Nobody even knows that they have been taxed on the rail for the past two years."?) why do you involve yourself in discussions about the Rail?
on May 3,2012 | 07:39AM
aiea7 wrote:
waiphau - the reason the GET in the 1st quarter of 2012 was lower than dec. 2011 is easily explainable. you are not smart enough to figure it out by yourself. the reason for the lower GET is because of economic cycles. after the holiday season, people spend less, so the 1st quarter of the calendar year will likely show a lower GET collection. this is fact, any one with some intelligence can figure it out for themselves. but not your, you see something and shoot off your mouth without thinking. just like the rest of the antis.
on May 3,2012 | 07:56AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Your right aiea. Waipahu doesn't have stocks either.
on May 3,2012 | 08:06AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Who's waipahu and why do you call them waipahu?
on May 3,2012 | 08:47AM
wiliki wrote:
Waipahu=Kunia.... He just can figure out where he lives.
on May 3,2012 | 01:30PM
pakeheat wrote:
No you guys don't know how to read, Kuniarr=Kuniarr, go back to school.
on May 3,2012 | 06:48PM
Kuniarr wrote:
These guys are delusional. Every single one of them - wiliki, aiea7, or NanakuliBoss, etc. - have empty heads when it comes to basic information concerning funding of rail. None of these guys even know that HART is seeking $244 million additional funding from a 3rd source. And none of these guys even know where that $244 million would be coming from.
on May 3,2012 | 02:53PM
pakeheat wrote:
Funny how someone can figure out economic cycles, does that mean there always a chance of another recession again which takes place almost every ten years or we are going to have an economic boom forever? Guess we don't need more clowns like the rest of you pro-phony's.
on May 3,2012 | 08:47AM
Kuniarr wrote:
aiea7 just twist facts to suit his personal opinion and bias.
on May 3,2012 | 02:55PM
PCWarrior wrote:
So Randy Roth, UH law professor shoots off his mouth without thinking? Walter Heen, retired judge, shoots off his mouth without thinking? Please.
on May 3,2012 | 12:22PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, aiea7. What are the three (3) sources of funding for rail? Yes, KR, GET and FTA's $1.55 billion. But that's only two. What's the 3rd source, KR?
on May 3,2012 | 08:22AM
MKN wrote:
@Kuniarr: Wiliki, Aiea7, and NanakuliBoss are paid bloggers hired by the HART board to preach a pro-rail argument. They really can't help it. They're getting paid!!! I wonder what the going rate is for paid bloggers? LOL!!!
on May 3,2012 | 09:06AM
aiea7 wrote:
mkn - i am not a paid blogger. i am independent, no ties to rail, the administration, contractors, etc. I will not depend of the rail for transportation, and none of my family members are in any way connected to rail. i am an independent thinker, after reviewing the alternatives to help the west side with their traffic woes, i concluded, without influence that rail was the long-term solution. i pay get taxes, income taxes, property taxes, etc. i feel that it is the right thing to do for the west siders who have sacrificed their health by enduring years of pollution from H-Power, HECo's electric generation plant and the landfill. the rail is a way to pay back them for these years of sacrifice. it is the right thing to do, it is pono and i am willing to pay taxes to provide them with rail. but you antis are a bunch of leeches and selfish individuals. for you, that is okay if the west siders are stuck in traffic and suffer illnesses due to the pollution. this is arrogance, that is why i have no respect for you antis, all you want is to take but not to give. i wish bachi to all of you antis.
on May 3,2012 | 10:24AM
MKN wrote:
Oh boo hoo that you pay GET taxes, income taxes, property taxes, etc. Join the club! No one feels sorry for you. How is rail pono when they are planning to put more power generation plants in the west side just so that there's enough electrical capacity to power the rail system, thus raising everyone's electricity rates? How is it pono to put a giant eye sore on the southern coast of Oahu that the huge majority of the island's citizens won't use? Buddy you don't seem to know the meaning of the word pono. No one held a gun to your head and told you to live on the west side. That was your choice. If you don't like it, move elsewhere! If you can't afford it, well too bad. How can anyone respect your opinion if you support building a rail system that you have no plans on using? If you really want to see who's being arrogant, go look in the mirror in your bathroom. Also remember that to wish bachi on someone is bachi. You don't seem to know the meaning of that word either. LOL!!!
on May 3,2012 | 11:25AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope the majority supports rail because it is the only solution to our future traffic congestion problems. Critics are lying and thereby abusing the system for their own benefit. No one that I know of is paid to blog in support of rail. That's another lie of rail critics.
on May 3,2012 | 01:27PM
MKN wrote:
@Wiliki: Spoken like a true paid blogger! LOL!!! Even the rail's own supporters admit that it won't solve our future traffic congestion problems and that was stated by the city's own engineers and yet you argue otherwise. How sad.
on May 3,2012 | 02:29PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Wiliki is another paid blogger. He knows nothing except to cheer about rail. Take this favorite expression of wiliki: "Nobody even knows that they have been taxed on the rail for the past two years". Looks like wiliki knows his GET, doesn't it? Except that when he says "for the past two years". it shows that williki really knows little about the GET for if wiliki knows more about the GET he would not even think of saying "the past two years".
on May 3,2012 | 03:20PM
pakeheat wrote:
Solution wiliki, there you go again? Rail is an alternative, please get that through your thick skull.
on May 3,2012 | 04:59PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Intellectually sir, you are a lightweight. Paid or not. But I certainly do not wish you bachi. You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided. I wish you happiness and good health.
on May 3,2012 | 12:24PM
Imagen wrote:
@aiea7; you should never bachi someone else - what goes around, comes around. As I had stated earlier above, the "rail" may have been a viable alternative to ones commute from the Kapolei, however, even you can understand the frustration from the people of Oahu to be subjected to incorrect statements and mistruths. The appearance that someone told a lie and then over time had to keep lying to try and keep his first lie in place. The idea of rail is a good one, but not at the manner it has progressed and will continue if nothing is done about it. I do not necessarily agree with everything Ben has done in the past, nor have I always appreciated his antics, however, if he will end this monster project, then he has my one vote...
on May 3,2012 | 12:56PM
Kuniarr wrote:
More self-promoting BS. Of course you are a paid blogger. You protest too much. It is all BS with this delusional "reviewing the alternatives" to help the west side with "traffic woes". Rail does not relieve the west side of "traffic woes". Furthermore, those commuting from the west side already have an alternative to traffic congestion during the morning rush hour - the Zipper. And soon the afternoon rush hour - the Contra-Flow. This "willing to pay taxes to provide them with rail" is proof positive that you are indeed a paid blogger.
on May 3,2012 | 03:03PM
Kuniarr wrote:
What are the 3 sources of funding for Rail, wiliki?
on May 3,2012 | 08:16AM
aiea7 wrote:
waipahu - is the third one part of something on our backside?
on May 3,2012 | 10:26AM
allie wrote:
Ben has it right: repair infrastructure first, phase it in over 25 years then build a rail with modern technology and a betetr route.
on May 3,2012 | 08:21AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, wiliki, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:05AM
wiliki wrote:
You forget tourists? They're paying a third of the GET tax.
on May 3,2012 | 01:28PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Wrong. The GET is but one of the three sources of funding, wiliki. Let me give you a hint, wiliki. HART is seeking $244 million additional funding from a source other than the FTA. Or better yet, ask whoever is paying you to give you the answer. BTW, why do you keep using the words "past two years" whenever you give your favorite expression "Nobody even knows that they have been taxed on the rail for the past two years"? Do you know that you are just exposing your ignorance about the GET whenever you say "past two years", wiliki?
on May 3,2012 | 03:25PM
Kuniarr wrote:
You forget that the GET is one source and the FTA is another. So what is the 3rd source,wiliki?
on May 3,2012 | 05:35PM
Kalli wrote:
Cayetano has really shaken up the status quo. Look at the organizations spending money with ads and campaign contributions. A group of 30 high level business leaders starring HECO CEO Constance Lau is out supporting rail. What are they all afraid of? The people. The people will decide whether they want the huge expense of rail and that it will not reduce traffic congestion. Why are all these people so scared?
on May 3,2012 | 05:04AM
false wrote:
IRT: Q/ Why are all these people so scared?"

A/ Because they are petrified by the trend of public opinion that turned away from Rail. Go to Civil Beat which reports that in their latest poll (mid-April), 55% of Honolulu is against Rail. Only about 34% still support it. This is about the same as the previoius poll taken by Civil Beat earlier this year.


on May 3,2012 | 06:27AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Kalli, FOLLOW THE MONEY AS IT GOES FROM THE TAXPAYERS POCKETS TO WHOM?
on May 3,2012 | 07:10AM
akulepapiomoi wrote:
Ben, give it up already. You've already disappointed hundreds of thousands of people. Many of us are still bitter with you. You never had a plan for Hawaii - only your personal agenda was shown. Ride away into your sunset.
on May 3,2012 | 05:28AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Ben: • Pushed through one of the biggest state personal income tax reductions in the nation at the time • Reduced the size and growth of state government to less than the inflation rate • Established the Hawai‘i Tourism Authority • Implemented civil service reform • Built a record number of public schools • Built a record number of homes for Native Hawaiian homesteaders • Developed the Hawai‘i Convention Center to boost tourism • Started the Hawai‘i State Art Museum • Began construction of the new John A. Burns School of Medicine and research center for the University of Hawai‘i • Kept his promise to make public education his highest priority by sparing schools from budget cuts at the expense of other state departments • Ordered the State Attorney General to investigate the Bishop Estate, an $11 billion trust fund set up for the benefit and education of Hawaiian children • When Hawaii’s economy rebounded in 1999, Ben promoted growth in new areas to further diversify the economy • Created the nation’s first state-funded after-school Plus (A )in 1989.
on May 3,2012 | 06:46AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Hybrid the Hawaii convention center has always lost money. Lingle built the most homes for DHHL. The income tax deduction is very suggestive. Did not do nothing for education except ok it.
on May 3,2012 | 08:11AM
ammb3 wrote:
Rail will ALWAYS lose money too, but it will be more of a money pit than the Convention Center
on May 3,2012 | 08:38AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
So you agree Ben actually created the first money pit!
on May 3,2012 | 08:16PM
ammb3 wrote:
It is a conduit to bring more visitors to our beautiful islands...one that will stay beautiful w/o RAIL!!
on May 3,2012 | 11:07PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, NanakuliBoss, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:07AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for rail" (not "funding for the FTA").
on May 3,2012 | 06:55PM
pakeheat wrote:
akulepapiomoe, you went fishing too many times, I think the sun burnt your brain.
on May 3,2012 | 05:03PM
Changalang wrote:
Civil Beat has likely voters 55% against and only 37% for as of 22APR2012. This was a Chamber of Commerce sponsored event and Ben did score points. He was asked basically how long he will stay on the job if he wins. His answer did hit home in that audience. Business people imagining a fiscally sound City gives them one less thing to worry about. I felt it. Ben's response was a good answer and changed the feel in the room away from Carlisle. His attack on Kirk was effective. You could feel the room want to laugh, because everyone there knows Kirk is just a delivery boy for the Machine, so nothing originates from him. He just moves an agenda forward, very effectively. Ben's performance for that venue was a winner. Many in that room went home knowing that the Mayor Primary has a strong chance of mimicking the latest polls on Rail. Ben being painted as a one issue candidate actually helps him now. Strong work Ben!
on May 3,2012 | 05:33AM
allie wrote:
Ben made the otger two dolts look bad. Not just bad. Everyone was so embarrassed by the two fools trying to oppose a real leader
on May 3,2012 | 06:49AM
MKN wrote:
Everyone forgets that Caldwell was Mufi's puppet candidate when Mufi ran for Governor two years ago. Now about Carlisle. When he ran for Mayor, he stated that he would take a good look at the rail system if he were elected. Once he was elected, he almost immediately said that we're doing this ASAP. It makes me think that there's some sort of financial incentive for the Mayor to support the rail system. It wouldn't surprise me that somewhere down the line, Carlisle or Caldwell ends up on the board along with Mufi when they retire assuming that rail isn't killed in the next year or two. Sadly its all about the Benjamins!
on May 3,2012 | 09:15AM
allie wrote:
well sais
on May 3,2012 | 04:16PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Allie,really you are a student? In a UH dorm? No spellcheck?
on May 3,2012 | 08:19PM
Changalang wrote:
Actually, it is all about one Benjamin. One last victory to save Oahu from its prior elected officials.
on May 3,2012 | 07:35PM
Changalang wrote:
I was concerned Ben would blow it; but he pwned the Machine guys, trying to be as objective as possible. That room was filled with people that know better than most that the bond rating of the City is being frontloaded to get the FTA on board for an early FFGA decision. Long term, these guys know Honolulu is a fiscal timebomb and have already made contingency plans to account for the coming increase in cost of living. Talked to some on the side, and every one of them went away re-thinking that Ben is a verified threat to the outcome of Rail. These are the kind of people that want to make sure they are on the right side of outcomes. Ben drove some heavy business guys back on the fence with his performance, in my humble opinion. A grassroots fire for Ben's candidacy can get the momentum rolling again. The most important outcome of this debate was that business leaders walked away knowing Ben is committed to the contest.
on May 3,2012 | 03:36PM
allie wrote:
very true. People are siding with Ben. I admire his grit and courage.
on May 3,2012 | 04:17PM
bender wrote:
Caldwell's toughest decision was whether or not to apply for the historic homes proprty tax emption on his million dollar estate. Yes, Kirk that was a tough one.
on May 3,2012 | 05:39AM
ejkorvette wrote:
Reading these Pro-Ben, Pro-Rail comments, only Shows an Educated person just how "BACKWARDS" the State of Hawaii really is. In Fact ,it always has been the last State to everything. Firstly, Intelligence, Technology, you name it. Hawaii is a State for Hire, anything that sells, Hawaii will buy it and the Residents pay for it. When the State Finally and Eventually "Goes Under", Hawaii Locals will continue to look around at each other and say: "Wow" Spooky Yeah! The State of Hawaii is a True JOKE.
on May 3,2012 | 05:47AM
lastuhu wrote:
"You start in Kapolei, in three years you're in in Waipahu". One of the greatest lines ever. Go Brudda Ben!
on May 3,2012 | 05:48AM
allie wrote:
Ben is da man
on May 3,2012 | 06:47AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Ben kicked okole. Why does it feel like he's the only one trying to bring the truth to the public. Couldn't believe Mufi. Pete has never had credibility. And Caldwell...what does Caldwell do again?
on May 3,2012 | 08:50AM
allie wrote:
true!
on May 3,2012 | 04:17PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Ben said Rail is an eyesore. Yet his backer,like JN auto group, wants to build a monster condo/luxury car showroom on Kapiolani Blvd. Not only this, but they want to circumvent the law concerning view plains. More blight for $$$.
on May 3,2012 | 08:18AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, NanakuliBoss, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:08AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for rail" (not "funding for the FTA")
on May 3,2012 | 05:36PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Ben said this. Ben said that. Geez you guys get paid to promote rail. So work for your pay.
on May 3,2012 | 06:58PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
He didn't say Rail was an eyesore?
on May 3,2012 | 08:21PM
uth50 wrote:
the rail is not about the rich or the poor. its about adapting to changes that is occuring right now in hawaii. as long we have allow the big corporations into hawaii, the changes they bring will change what hawaii is. traffic is a big stressor that will affect many people and its implications on people's health. we must learn to roll with evolutionary changes or we will be roll over by its effects. we must learn to adapt or we will be wipe out by our own stupidity.
on May 3,2012 | 06:19AM
ammb3 wrote:
Everybody, we've got a paid PR person for rail 'selling" us rail in a subtle way...nice try. We're not buying.
on May 3,2012 | 08:42AM
pakeheat wrote:
So like the one guy who jumps over the cliff and says there's gold down there, many will follow? We surely can adapt in many ways but not this rail, you suppose everyone will adapt the same way of thinking?
on May 3,2012 | 08:51AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, uth50, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:08AM
LittleEarl_01 wrote:
Well Mufi had his "BuildRailNow" and Carlisle has his "wiliki." Regardless, it ain't no done deal.
on May 3,2012 | 06:34AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Go Mayor Ben Go just Go Go Go and we will vote for you in the primaries. Lets hope that CARLIER takes MUFI and CALDWELL with him on his next vacation rather than his wife.
on May 3,2012 | 06:59AM
wiliki wrote:
Together Carlisle and Caldwell have more polling for them than Cayetano. Seems pretty ominous to me....
on May 3,2012 | 01:23PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Delusional.
on May 3,2012 | 05:37PM
Changalang wrote:
Neither can get greater than 50% in August, though. Ben can. :)
on May 3,2012 | 07:31PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mufi has been gone for years. Geez..
on May 3,2012 | 08:23PM
geniusboy wrote:
PLEASE! We know what the game is. Get construction going, so when we run out of money, the taxpayer's will have a gun pointed straight at their heads and will have no choice but to complete this monster.
on May 3,2012 | 06:40AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Speaking of "potted plants," and being "out of touch," Ben's been retired for ten years sitting atop Hawaii Loa Ridge watching his grass grow.
on May 3,2012 | 06:40AM
allie wrote:
He is far more intelligent than the two haoles. I admire Ben for coming out of comfortable retirement to clean our house
on May 3,2012 | 06:46AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
This isn't plantation days, Allie. In fact, Ben's the Republican candidate. When it comes to "cleaning our house," don't forget Ben still owes $500,000 from the last time his house got cleaned.
on May 3,2012 | 07:02AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Ben kept his promise to make public education his highest priority by sparing schools from budget cuts at the expense of other state departments. He sought reform through the collective bargaining process, and in 1997 negotiated a contract that increased teacher salaries in exchange for adding seven days to the school calendar. Teacher salaries rose from $25,000 in 1997 to $34,300 in 2002 – a 37 percent increase. The contracts also rewarded teachers for professional development rather than seniority alone, and provided merit pay for university faculty.
on May 3,2012 | 07:33AM
aiea7 wrote:
did raising the pay for teachers raise the performance of the students? hell no, he simply was buying votes, that crook.
on May 3,2012 | 08:00AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, aiea7, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 08:29AM
allie wrote:
good points
on May 3,2012 | 08:18AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, Keith_Rollman, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:10AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for the rail project" (not "funding for the FTA").
on May 3,2012 | 07:00PM
jomama wrote:
you are racist.
on May 3,2012 | 07:03AM
allie wrote:
Not at all. Just saying Ben is more authenticially from Hawaii. He is smarter, more honest and has a real track record of good government. The others are hangers on.
on May 3,2012 | 07:20AM
pakeheat wrote:
LIke Caldwell, who has a tax break on his home in Manoa which is under historic preservation? He has not complied to the rules? Carlisle trying another job as a stand-up comedian? He is not even funny, LOL.
on May 3,2012 | 08:55AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
...If you consider "pay to play" good government.
on May 3,2012 | 10:40AM
Imagen wrote:
Pot calling the kettle black KR?
on May 3,2012 | 02:49PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Former Gov. Benjamin Cayetano said the city's Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Board of Directors, who were appointed to oversee the construction and maintenance of the city's $5.3 billion planned 20-mile elevated steel on steel rail system, "had better get a lawyer if he is elected mayor" this fall, "because he will go after them for malfeasance."........................... HART's 10-member volunteer board is approving contract awards for more money than they've collected from city taxpayers, Cayetano said, and before they know whether the city will be issued a Full Funding Grant Agreement by the federal government for $1.55 billion.
on May 3,2012 | 07:22AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, Keith_Rollman, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 09:10AM
Changalang wrote:
Incorrect; Waialae Iki Ridge.
on May 3,2012 | 03:23PM
CouchPotato wrote:
What are they smoking .... "both said transit-oriented development would create affordable housing around more livable, walkable communities that would in turn lead to healthier citizens and a healthier environment through reduced automobile emissions." A bunch of bull, sounds like certain people will get richer, and we all will be forced to live around the rail line in condos like New York. And what's this ... "I follow the law," Carlisle said. "It passed. It's on the books. … Do they mean the 3 Billion Steel on Steel rail that everyone voted upon before the EIS was fully released. If 1 out of 20 voters voted the other way it would not have passed. It would not pass today.
on May 3,2012 | 07:07AM
Manoa_Fisherman wrote:
Cayetano is full of Shibai! He is only in the race to line the pockets of his pal, Mitsunaga. After getting elected, Cayetano will change his position on rail or mass transit to go a head with construction, but only when his buddies are given control of the project and can milk it for what they can get. Anyone want to take that bet?
on May 3,2012 | 07:12AM
McCully wrote:
One question for puppet Caldwell. While managing director, you changed your status on your proerty tax to historic. If you can do this as managing director, I hate to see what you can do for yourself as mayor.
on May 3,2012 | 07:20AM
wondermn1 wrote:
McCully, I did not know that he did that as Managing director for the city! Now that really makes me mad as I pay over $6,000.00 per year in property tax and would love to pay $300.00. I feel as thought the truth will prevail and the RAIL will FAIL as quoted from some intelligent posters here. GO BEN GO
on May 3,2012 | 07:33AM
pakeheat wrote:
Darn it, you guys beat me to it, LOL. See my post above?
on May 3,2012 | 08:57AM
enoughisenough wrote:
Cayetano won. Hands down. Caldwell was a laughing stock, and he's not even the worse of the three. Cream rises to the top. The rest sunk real fast.
on May 3,2012 | 07:25AM
aiea7 wrote:
it was hard to understand what he was saying, he was mumbling all the time. was it a mumbling contest, it yes, he won hands down.
on May 3,2012 | 08:03AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hey, aiea7, what are the three (3) sources of funding for the FTA? Yes, (1) GET (2) FTA's $1.55 billion.But what is the 3rd source
on May 3,2012 | 08:30AM
Kuniarr wrote:
I mean "funding for Rail" (not "funding for the FTA")
on May 3,2012 | 05:39PM
wondermn1 wrote:
THE RAIL IS A MONEY PIT AND IF BUILT WILL BE A LOUD SCREACHING GIANT CEMENT STATIONED ELEVATED STEEL ON STEEL HEAVY VIBRATING MONSTER. The thing will stop 21 times in 20 miles and start 3 miles from Kapolei and end in a shopping center designed for the Asian tourists not the locals. Then the powers that be decide to build it backwards and start from almost Kapolei into Waipahu. This project will be the laughing stock of the nation if built. The way the city works it will probably take 30 years to complete and cost 20 Billion not 5
on May 3,2012 | 05:56PM
ammb3 wrote:
Shallow
on May 3,2012 | 08:44AM
Bully wrote:
Once again we have to choose one of the three stooges.
on May 3,2012 | 07:27AM
wondermn1 wrote:
wiliki, aiea7,OldDiver?
on May 3,2012 | 05:58PM
false wrote:
Same old rhetoric from all three. Nice picture though. Look like three old friends in a friendly conversation.
on May 3,2012 | 07:28AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
You got to admit though, we were all surprised Peter was in town.
on May 3,2012 | 09:15AM
false wrote:
Yeah, he must of just got off the plane!
on May 3,2012 | 09:36AM
ready2go wrote:
Are there plans to extend this Ala Moana Shopping Center fixed rail feeder line into Waikiki and to the UIH Manoa? Why should it only service this shopping center?
on May 3,2012 | 07:28AM
CouchPotato wrote:
Because it will double the cost to $10 Billion! For $5 Billion we get a rail line that barely reaches Kapolei, does not service Ewa Beach, hugs the lower end of Waipahu, does not service Waikele and Gentry, skips Salt Lake, connects to the airport but does not go into Waikiki, and is distant from all of the private schools and the University of Hawaii which all of which are known to generate a lot of traffic without doing a traffic study.
on May 3,2012 | 07:52AM
pakeheat wrote:
Good assessment CoachPotato, that is why it won't work, any smart individual can see that, LOL.
on May 3,2012 | 08:59AM
ammb3 wrote:
Have you SEEN how ugly rail would be going up University Ave? It has to be over 100 ft tall!!
on May 3,2012 | 08:45AM
pakeheat wrote:
See if they get to AMC and then what lies ahead?
on May 3,2012 | 10:34AM
RonM wrote:
Ben Cayatano's plan is clear. He wants to save the tax payers from this Rail fiasco and direct some of the savings toward improving the infrastructure that needs to be up-dated. Money will be spent, and jobs will be created. The only difference is that Ben's plan will benefit all of the people not just the insiders who profit from rail and the less than 6% who would use the rail system.
on May 3,2012 | 07:48AM
Manoa_Fisherman wrote:
Cayetano only wants to give the mass transit money to his buddies like Mitsunaga. If you trust him, just remember what a "great" job he did as Governor!
on May 3,2012 | 08:28AM
aiea7 wrote:
did raising the teachers salary raise the level of performance of the students. hell no, he was merely buying votes for the next election.
on May 3,2012 | 08:00AM
Imagen wrote:
Next aiea7 - move on...
on May 3,2012 | 02:52PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Caldwell and Carlisle are making a big deal out of federal funding but that accounts for 1.5 billion dollars or a current 5.2 billion dollar and counting cost. Even if we do get federal funding, who do you think is going to foot the majority of the cost. It's you and I. Even with federal funding, the cost is ridiculous.
on May 3,2012 | 08:01AM
tutunona wrote:
Nobody has said anything about the families that will be displaced from their homes
on May 3,2012 | 08:07AM
allie wrote:
true and wait until OHA begins suing the state for billions over bones in the rail area. This will drive up costs far beyond the antiicpoated 12 billion dolalrs to build.
on May 3,2012 | 08:20AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Couldn't have said it better. Your figures are indeed "antiicpoated ."
on May 3,2012 | 10:44AM
Imagen wrote:
^________^
on May 3,2012 | 02:54PM
Kuniarr wrote:
One thing I notice about proponents of rail in this forum is that not a single one of them can come up with numbers not one - be it wiliki, aiea7, NanakuliBoss, etc. Here's a simple question: What is a source of funding for Rail other than from the GET and the $1.55 billion from the FTA?
on May 3,2012 | 08:09AM
pakeheat wrote:
Let me refresh this page and see if they answered your question?
on May 3,2012 | 09:00AM
MKN wrote:
@Kuniarr: The three paid bloggers won't say it. They would get fired from their job as professional bloggers. I believe the "third" source of funding is the $450 Million line of credit that will be paid back with revenue bonds floated by the city which essentially gives them a blank check to further fund the rail system when it goes over budget.
on May 3,2012 | 09:30AM
PMA wrote:
No, it's going to be a rise in property taxes.
on May 3,2012 | 10:33AM
MKN wrote:
@PMA: That would be the fourth source of funding once the city is under the threat of bankruptcy after borrowing too much money to be able to pay back. LOL!!!
on May 3,2012 | 11:35AM
wiliki wrote:
Critics of rail are in their own Disney Land Fastasy World.... where made up numbers are facts. The Honolulu rail is on solid financial basis.
on May 3,2012 | 01:22PM
squidman22 wrote:
These aren't the droids you are looking for. See, I can do it too!
on May 3,2012 | 01:54PM
MKN wrote:
@Wiliki: Last time I checked, Disneyland was an actual place. LOL! Get off the drugs Wiliki and realize that the rail plan is not on sound financial footing. If they were, the FTA wouldn't have asked for alternate sources of funding in case the funding from the Federal Government falls through. Nothing is certain until you have all the money in your hands. Last time I checked, we didn't even get the first $250 Million that was "promised" to us. Solid financial basis my foot!
on May 3,2012 | 02:41PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Really, wiliki, proponents of rail are the ones actually in their own Disney Land Fantasy World. Like saying "Honolulu rail is on solid financial basis" which is a statement that can only come from one in his own Disney Land Fantasy World because the FTA itself has cast doubt on the financial soundness of the Honolulu rail project and has withheld releasing the $1.55 billion that the FTA committed to rail.
on May 3,2012 | 03:33PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Yes Carliar saying property taxes won't be raised to help pay for rail. Bull hockey. I think his nose got a little bigger.
on May 3,2012 | 12:42PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Neither is it from property taxes. The third source is $244 million from a government agency.
on May 3,2012 | 01:31PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Except that these people who are proponents of rail are supposed to be the one who should know the name of this government agency from where HART is seeking $244 million in funding for rail. But not a single one of them knows nothing about it.
on May 3,2012 | 05:42PM
aiea7 wrote:
waipahu, is that government agency the one you voted for in the nov. 2008 election when everyone else voted for rail? you never stated what agency it was as i asked you several times. how can any one else know when you don;t even know? LOL
on May 3,2012 | 09:07PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Yes the $450 million line of credit is a source. But that is not the 3rd source. The third source is in the amount of $244 million coming from ????
on May 3,2012 | 01:29PM
pj737 wrote:
One thing I've noticed about the proponents of rail is that they are clearly the minority... and dwindling.
on May 3,2012 | 12:42PM
ammb3 wrote:
"Caldwell said he felt he answered the question, saying he would take the issue to the people..." So weak Caldwell would take it back to the people while the columns and tracks sit and rust while years go by????? I think Cayetano made his point, Caldwell never made a tough decision in his life.
on May 3,2012 | 08:21AM
atilter wrote:
Cayetano – “…likely to be closer to $7 billion. Neither Carlisle nor Caldwell challenged him on the figure.” Caldwell and Carlyle’s combined silence is a very resounding and disturbing ratification of the notion that the presently touted budget of approx. $5B may be seriously underestimated!! Both Carlisle and Caldwell - “…its (the rail’s) potential to create jobs … in development around rail stations…” and “…transit-oriented development would create affordable housing…” which calls to mind two questions. First, what is the exact geographical path this right-of-way will take? Second, what are the exact locations for each of the column placements? Answering these questions will give a much clearer picture of the number, types, and quality of these “developments” and “affordable housing” being suggested.
on May 3,2012 | 08:52AM
Imagen wrote:
"EXACT" is not a word found in the vocabulary of the HART and rail plans. That word does not appear anywhere - ANYWHERE!!!
on May 3,2012 | 02:56PM
BRUDDAHS wrote:
Peter Carlisle looks like a angry man everytime I hear him say something. What is he mad about?
on May 3,2012 | 09:06AM
pakeheat wrote:
That is why he tries to act like a comedian so we can forget what he just said, LOL. Smart and sly prosecutor as always.
on May 3,2012 | 09:15AM
Imagen wrote:
That he is not off-island
on May 3,2012 | 02:56PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Larry Moe and Curly. Go Ben! Stop Rail!
on May 3,2012 | 09:09AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Carlisle and Caldwell repeated their support of the project for its potential to create jobs, not only in the construction of the rail line but in development around rail stations...

That is the point - rail was sold to the public as a traffic relief program. Since then it has been re-packaged as a jobs program (only 500 so far and 100 of those are at HART), a development program, a low cost housing program, and a social engineering program to reallocate residents along the rail route.

Problem is, the rail does not represent a traffic solution and now we are told "there are no solutions." Well, that is unacceptable for a $6 billion project - $5,500 for every should on Oahu - and undefined hundreds of millions a year in future operating costs. All so a small percent of folks get an "option" to travel.

Ben, I wish you much luck. Carlisle is a goner but he unions have clearly aligned with their boy Caldwell so the competition is tough.But rational people, in and out of unions, realize that this rail is a bad deal for Hawaii and you are the answer to the question of how to put a stake through the HART of heart. Or maybe that last phrase was backwards....hehehe.


on May 3,2012 | 09:10AM
saveparadise wrote:
Go Ben! Go Ben! We need you now!
on May 3,2012 | 10:06AM
AgnesComedy wrote:
QUOTES: "Development" also known as "Urban Sprawl" is promised for delivery to my neighborhood (Aiea) by Mayor Carlisle with his "Future Island Growth" plan. I just want to say, 'NO THANK YOU'. This "Future Island Growth" plan will only bring blight, screeching noise, devastating loss of property values, crowding, loss of natural beauty and ocean views. Why would any citizen in his/her right mind welcome that? Irresponsible rail costs are not just fiscal. An additional cost for us will be to lose our suburban neighborhood and our precious way of life. I wonder if Kailua, Aina Hina or Haleiwa would be willing to make that kind of sacrifice with elevated rail structures and rail depot construction in their front yard - for the purpose of "Future Island Growth"?
on May 3,2012 | 10:12AM
LanaUlulani wrote:


Ben Cayetano is right. The rail will CRUSH our kupunas' bones AND CRUSH our children and grandchildren with further debt and further enslave them to the Federal Reserve and Goldman Sachs.

STOP THE RAIL FROM CRUSHING OUR KUPUNA, KEIKI, AND MO'OPUNA !!!!


on May 3,2012 | 10:31AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Lanaulu, go to the corner of Queen street and Punchbowl St. There's a mini heiau marker there. It's in the Kawaihao graveyard. 300 plus iwi's, in there because more roads were needed in Kakaako. Go, go look.
on May 3,2012 | 02:39PM
allie wrote:
hugs her lana!
on May 3,2012 | 04:19PM
PMA wrote:
Not Surprisingly, at 10:35 this morning, my blog count on this topic is in the vicinity or 100 against to 1 for. Hey Pete, oops! GBC sells moving boxes cheap.
on May 3,2012 | 10:42AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
That's because most of the people are commuting and working, while the retired antis are sitting and lounging around. Old people get grouchy in the later years. Look at Ben last night.
on May 3,2012 | 02:42PM