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Case and Hirono spar on economy

By Derrick DePledge

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Former U.S. Rep. Ed Case said on Thursday that he would not approve of another federal stimulus package to help with economic recovery, but U.S. Rep. Mazie Hirono said the government still needs to invest in job creation to emerge from the worst economic crisis since the Depression.

The Democrats who want to replace retiring U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii, differed on their approaches to economic recovery during a televised forum on "Insights" on PBS Hawaii.

Asked by moderator Dan Boylan whether he would back President Barack Obama's jobs package, Case said the nation already had two federal stimulus initiatives in response to the recession and does not need a third. Hirono supports provisions of the president's jobs proposal.

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"Sometimes when I listen to Mazie I think that the government is going to do everything for us all of the time, that the job creation has to come from more federal spending," Case said. "Eventually, the private sector has to create and provide those jobs. We cannot go on spending the amount of money that we are spending in this country and expect that we're going to be able to handle our basic obligations from our federal government, much less the things that we want to do over and above that."

The former congressman said the nation is headed for a "train wreck" that could lead to the kind of economic collapse facing European nations.

"We're in a unique time in the history of our country — the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. You do not recover from that kind of cataclysmic economic downturn overnight," Hirono said. "And, you know what, the private sector — the private sector, the corporations — are holding on to billions of dollars that they're not investing. So I think we've already tried this trickle-down approach.

"And by the way, Europe? They're just cutting, cutting, cutting. And have they solved their problem, their economic woes? No."

Hirono said it was interesting that Case is so intent on balancing the federal budget when he supported extending portions of the President George W. Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy and the Iraq War, which added to the nation's debt.

Case — who voted against the second round of Bush-era tax cuts in 2003, and like Hirono, would now allow them to expire — said: "Sometimes when I listen to the debate that we have I think that Mazie's answer to every single challenge that we have is always to raise the taxes, always on the revenue side, always boost those up. That's not going to work."

Both Hirono and Case reiterated their support for a Honolulu rail transit system but agreed that federal funding for the project could be placed at risk if former Gov. Ben Cayetano, a rail opponent, is elected mayor.

Hirono said she would not have a litmus test for reviewing U.S. Supreme Court nominees, but indicated she would look for judges who would not overturn legal precedent on issues such as equal rights.

Case said he would look for judges who view the high court in proper balance with the executive and legislative branches. He said he would also prefer judges who reflect the judicial mainstream, not the extremes.

Hirono expressed concern about the use of unmanned U.S. drone strikes against terrorist targets that have also harmed civilians. Case said that unmanned drones have an appropriate role in military action with some constraints to protect civilians.

The winner of the primary will likely face former Gov. Linda Lingle, the leading Republican candidate for Senate, in the November general election.

The PBS Hawaii forum was the fourth of five joint appearances with the candidates before the Aug. 11 primary. The forum was the only encounter scheduled to air live on statewide television. A forum sponsored by the Oahu Democrats was postponed in late May and has yet to be rescheduled.

John Hart, a Hawaii Pacific University communication professor, said he would prefer to see more debates closer to the primary. He said he understands that the campaigns may have tactical reasons for limiting the number of debates or being selective about formats, but, as a former debate coach, he believes voters would benefit from additional debates.

"I haven't heard anything about any knockout punching," Hart said, "but that to me is all the more reason why we should have more of them."






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HealthyandHappy wrote:
I wonder why Hirono is not in favor of the house bill to Audit the fed, maybe they are printing a extra money for her.
on June 15,2012 | 01:51AM
allie wrote:
Case is more articulate. I like mazie but I think Case may be more in touch with the poltiical center and where most are now. The key for him is to indicate how he will protect the social security lifeline/Medicare lifeline. Either of these good people are better than Lingle
on June 15,2012 | 06:24AM
wiliki wrote:
The difference here is that Case would support delaying SS for two more years. That would make it 69 probably for our children. 67 is bad enough. But 69 is a joke.
on June 15,2012 | 06:59AM
allie wrote:
the problem is that different occupations are different with respect to rational retirement times. Phyical labor means those in that profession need to retire earlier. Those with desk jobs can retire later. I think the solution is to means test and raise the $110,000 taxable level to $250,000 or so. SS is easy to fix.
on June 15,2012 | 07:42AM
AhiPoke wrote:
You, unfortunately, are like many citizens who believe the politicians who say that there's nothing wrong with SS and we'll all get what we "earned". The program is going broke, believe it. I don't know your financial status so I can't point at you but I can say that most/many of the SS recipients have taken out more than they've contributed. On top of that, people are living longer than when the program began. I personally will be eligible in less than a year but I would accept delaying my benefits if it would save the program for my children. The underlying problem is that every politicians (who I define as an office holder who's first priority is getting re-elected, not fixing problems) is scared to death about trying to fix the problem. Anyone who has tried to fix problems doesn't get re-elected and that's one of the major flaws in our political system. Term limits would help.
on June 15,2012 | 09:34AM
allie wrote:
Huh? I just said it needs to be fixed and gave solutions as to how to fix it.
on June 15,2012 | 11:45AM
wiliki wrote:
It's not broken. We have enough funds to cover SS and Medicare. Employment would have to be pretty low to NOT have sufficient funds. And unemployment seems to be coming down. In the future, if the Democrats can pass federal legislation, then the economy will be better with higher employment and wages, so that SS and Medicare will be even more well provided than today.
on June 15,2012 | 07:44PM
EightOEight wrote:
Reform is in order, but not as drastic as the Repubs want.
on June 16,2012 | 08:43AM
jkjones wrote:
agree with allie.... mazie is too robotic--you can read the daily democrat talking points and write her speech. Case is more solution oriented....and that often follows common sense rather than party values. I agree with Case--the private sector and not the government will recharge our slumping economy without raising taxes. I dont see how tax hikes, as mazie suggests, will get the ball rolling.
on June 15,2012 | 08:55AM
EightOEight wrote:
I missed the show, but if that's Case's position I won't be voting for him. The private sector businesses alone will not pull us out of this recession.
on June 15,2012 | 11:27AM
allie wrote:
yup...Case is simply a lightweight on economic issues. He is wrong on the stimulus. The Obama stimulus was way too small to do the job. We all know that now.
on June 15,2012 | 11:46AM
beachbum11 wrote:
lingle or case is better the Mazie the lazy and hazy
on June 15,2012 | 09:00AM
allie wrote:
Linglke is a disaster. Case. Mazie or me.
on June 15,2012 | 11:46AM
WesleySMori wrote:
Well ALLIE, Put YOUR HAT IN The RING!!! FOR YOU ARE YOUNG And HAVE The "GUMPTION" So Why NOT, "GIVE IT A SHOT??? "GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"!!!!!!!!!!
on June 16,2012 | 05:02PM
Changalang wrote:
Lingle and Mazie are proven losers when it comes to delivering for the people of Hawaii.
on June 15,2012 | 09:14PM
hybrid1 wrote:
FACT: The 1% Case Family has ALWAYS voted tax cuts for the rich and work to make the middle class poorer. FACT. Case woesn't want more jobs, he just wants the rich to get richer. He wants: Case said the nation already had two federal stimulus initiatives in response to the recession and he does not believe there needs to be a third. Hirono supports provisions of the president's jobs proposal (to create more jobs for the middle class which will create "product demand" to increase the economic recovery.) Ed is a republican through and through..
on June 15,2012 | 03:37PM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
Just because you put FACT in front of your opinions, doesn't make them so.
on June 15,2012 | 03:43PM
lee1957 wrote:
I wonder why Maize didn't vote for the President's budget?
on June 15,2012 | 04:32PM
EightOEight wrote:
Because a lot of Dems thought it was too conservative, too much compromise.
on June 16,2012 | 08:45AM
Changalang wrote:
FACT: Mazie had/has a residence in the mountain over Kahala in Waialae Ridgeline Estates that are million dollar homes. Mazie is the 1%. Ed is born and raised on the Big Island. That is why Mazie gives the news watchers of Hawaii the snob, and Ed is shaking anybody's hand wanting to hear their opinion as an equal. Mazie=Kahala Snob and Ed = Neighbor Island values. FACT.
on June 15,2012 | 04:38PM
wiliki wrote:
I wonder why Ed is assumed to be valued according to his and his wife's assets while Mazie is valued according to her and her husband's assets? Do we really know any of this?

Mazie has been a dedicated public servant most of her life. Definitely not the way to get into the 1%....


on June 15,2012 | 07:33PM
Changalang wrote:
Wonder all you want. Facts remain. Mazie is Kahala estate snobbery and Ed is Neighbor Island common sense. Best not to mention Mazie's spouse because that may lead to a closer look at how campaign finances circulated through a coincidental law firm. Got to love the Aloha Spirit and keeping it in the family.
on June 15,2012 | 08:45PM
EightOEight wrote:
It does seem that you have a chip on your shoulder because of her husband.
on June 16,2012 | 08:47AM
Changalang wrote:
The new Civilbeat poll is out and they are in a dead heat 46-46. Mazie does not want a real televised debate on any local news channel because she knows many people would draw the same conclusion of skill levels. Case is better for Hawaii and more skilled to take Hawaii Forward in the next chapter. Mazie is the worst part of remnants of the spend until there is no more money legacy of U.S. politics. You don't use a monkey wrench to fix a problem that needs a scalpel. Monkey Wrench Mazie would just cut herself if she even tried to hold a precision instrument that Hawaii needs in Congress today. THAT is why she will not face Ed for the Hawaii televised public on ANY news network.
on June 15,2012 | 04:35PM
EightOEight wrote:
Case, maybe, if you're more right than left.
on June 16,2012 | 08:50AM
Wazdat wrote:
Mr Case has my vote. Hirano has done NOTHING in all her years in office, sorry but the truth hurts.
on June 15,2012 | 01:56AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Case voted for the Trillion dollar Bush tax cut and for another trillion dollar Iraq War. Case also voted to make the middle class poorer by eliminating jobs in the U.S and exporting the jobs overseas to make the rich corporations richer. case should be banned from the Democratic party.
on June 15,2012 | 03:41PM
LittleEarl_01 wrote:
My question for Mazie is: After the economic meltdown and corporations were given $750 BILLION, that's with a "B". of taxpayer money, why, oh why, within a few months had they paid back a large portion of the loan, suddenly became profitable and gave their CEO's and execituives huge raises and bonuses? Sounds liike they weren't in the financial bind that our government led the taxpayers to believe.
on June 15,2012 | 02:14AM
HealthyandHappy wrote:
Your line of reasoning is above her pay grade.
on June 15,2012 | 03:03AM
wiliki wrote:
Her answer is in the debate. She wants regulations to work. Greed drives the market to create bubbles through fraud and is bad for our economy. Greenspan agrees with this. He says he was too overconfident on the effects of the economy.
on June 15,2012 | 07:02AM
Highinthesierras wrote:
Maize, Mazie give me your answer do. What, Mazie has no answers? Oh, Mazie didn't understand the question.
on June 15,2012 | 06:04AM
wiliki wrote:
Looks like the Maui debate and last nites debate is not on the internet. But you can check out the HPR debate... http://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/content/hpr-hosts-senate-primary-debate-between-hirono-and-case-audio
on June 15,2012 | 07:04AM
wiliki wrote:
Looks like the PBS Hawaii Video clip of the debate is no online... http://www.pbshawaii.org/ourproductions/insight.php
on June 15,2012 | 07:22PM
allie wrote:
Alas, the stimulus was far tpoo samll as most economists now know. We were in far worse shape than we thought in Buish's last year.
on June 15,2012 | 07:43AM
WesleySMori wrote:
Amen ALLIE!! "AMEN"!!!!!!!!!! "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on June 15,2012 | 11:09AM
allie wrote:
:)
on June 15,2012 | 11:47AM
Hank13 wrote:
Case is being too financially responsible with our tax money. Someone in politics who cares about the voters and their money? How can he possibly expect to get elected that way? Too bad he's pro-rail.
on June 15,2012 | 04:35AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope... Mazie has the right response. European austerity shows that it doesn't work. Just makes the problem worse. Americans should learn that lesson.
on June 15,2012 | 07:06AM
EightOEight wrote:
Agree, wiliki.
on June 15,2012 | 11:29AM
allie wrote:
true
on June 15,2012 | 11:48AM
hawaiikone wrote:
Brilliant. Because socialist Europeans reject attempts to reign in their ridiculous financial situation, you think that's proof we aren't smart enough here to realize there's really no alternative except to tighten our belts. Let's see how Spain makes out over the next several years.
on June 15,2012 | 03:12PM
Changalang wrote:
The Fed is lending through the discount window through the IMF and through Euro-Sovereign bond buying to prop up Spain; which is too big to bail, money laundering 101. That's right the U.S. taxpayer's buying power is being diluted to save the Old World while Americans have a worst GDP/debt ratio. The collective wealth of the average American was been taken back to the levels of 1990, as released from the Fed. That means your average American just lost 22 years of personal economic prosperity. Redistribution of the wealth is working out very well for the New World Order; don't you think?
on June 15,2012 | 05:54PM
Changalang wrote:
Addendum: " WASHINGTON — The recent economic crisis left the median American family in 2010 with no more wealth than in the early 1990s, erasing almost two decades of accumulated prosperity, the Federal Reserve said Monday. A hypothetical family richer than half the nation’s families and poorer than the other half had a net worth of $77,300 in 2010, compared with $126,400 in 2007, the Fed said. The crash of housing prices directly accounted for three-quarters of the loss. Families’ income also continued to decline, a trend that predated the crisis but accelerated over the same period. Median family income fell to $45,800 in 2010 from $49,600 in 2007. All figures were adjusted for inflation. The new data comes from the Fed’s much-anticipated release on Monday of its Survey of Consumer Finances, a report issued every three years that is one of the broadest and deepest sources of information about the financial health of American families. " (11JUN2012, New York Times)....................Being fiscally akamai is good for Democrats, Hawaii, and America; ask Ariyoshi; not Hirono.
on June 15,2012 | 06:57PM
wiliki wrote:
There's no proof that austerity works.... It's not common sense. It's Republican philosophy. OTOH there is abundant proof in recent events that Keynes is right and always has been.
on June 15,2012 | 07:18PM
Changalang wrote:
Spending money that is leveraged only causes Western civilization to crumble. Can you honestly say that OUR FED can print enough money to save Europe's decades of debt? Governor Ariyoshi was the most fiscally prudent Governor Hawaii ever had. Hawaii residents benefited from his wisdom of fiscal prudence. Now if you want to argue that Mazie's do nothing record and policies were better for Hawaii than the Great George Ariyoshi's; then knock yourself out. Regarding Keynes; we are witnessing the global price, or Keynesian endpoint from excessive pump priming of the economy. Free spending is like crack for politicians. They can't stop until they spend everybody's money on nothing; crackhead. Pop a chunk of reality in your pipe, light it up, and inhale deeply. Sober minds only spend what they can afford to. Ask Ariyoshi.
on June 15,2012 | 07:40PM
Changalang wrote:
P.S. The New York Times Piece that you mistake for austerity is actually the factual report straight from The Fed. It is a matter of fact; not austerity. It is a matter of people spending more money than they have to buy things they can't afford causing a trigger of defaults that closed global insurance carriers like AIG and Lehman Brothers. The Housing Depression is the result of good money being forced by gov't to be spent on bad risk. Austerity is the result of bad gov't, spreading the risk pool is exactly the path that led to millions of sub-prime house borrowers bringing down the global banking insurance sector. Now, you want our Fed to spread U.S. taxpayer risk to invest in a mountain of debt for other continents. Sorry, time for the sober to take away the keys of those who can't handle themselves. Give us the keys to your Mercedes Mazie; we will call you a cab. Democrats don't let fellow Democrats drive drunk. :)
on June 15,2012 | 07:48PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Unfortunately Case is little different from a republican. Doesn't learn from history but desires to make the same mistake over and over again. The republicans crashed the economy and plunged this country into the worst recession since the great depression. What got us out of the great depression? Government spending, aka WWII. So why doesn't Case acknowledge this? I also didn't like his attack on Mazie as being a left, what ever that means.
on June 15,2012 | 07:21AM
pcman wrote:
The Dems owned the House and Senate in the last two years of Bush's term. That's where the breakdown occurred, specifically when the House gave too much housing loans through federal housing programs, Freddy Mac, Fannie Mae, FHA, etc. The drepression started with the fall of the housing market.
on June 15,2012 | 02:59PM
Changalang wrote:
They also held the House and Senate for the First two years of President Obama's term as well; which is why Barney Frank (Chair of House Finance Services Committee), Mazie's good buddy, got to retire recently without being appropriately investigated by the appropriate Congressional Committee. Funny, Senator Dodd Chair of the Senate Banking Committee retired after him and Barney passed a banking Bill that insures people with no credit get loans at the stable credit bearing consumer's expense. Both retired and would not allow investigations of the Housing Depression trigger mechanisms in the sub-prime mortgage market that caused the global CDO, ergo CDS, market to implode.
on June 15,2012 | 06:53PM
loquaciousone wrote:
I would compare this with the Pacquiao Mayweather fight -- all talk and no action.
on June 15,2012 | 04:56AM
Kalli wrote:
Mazie is an empty suit.
on June 15,2012 | 05:30AM
Grimbold wrote:
You want BIG SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT? Then reelect Mazie!
on June 15,2012 | 05:44AM
allie wrote:
Lingle could not care less about hawaii. He goal is to serve the rich on the east Coastr and weaken America by keeping it at war for israel at any cost. She plans to buy your vote with massive outside money. Check to see who is behind her millionhs of dollars.. You will be shocked.
on June 15,2012 | 06:26AM
beachbum11 wrote:
And who is behind Mazie? Barrack? Neil. Ect?
on June 15,2012 | 09:07AM
soundofreason wrote:
That would fall in line with the fact that the only job increases have BEEN govt jobs. Not the private sector.
on June 15,2012 | 06:47AM
EightOEight wrote:
You, Grimbold and Beachbum need to read: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/01/493849/obama-bush-jobs-record/ Info is based on Bureau of Labor Statistics. You should've been complaining before Obama was elected. Public sector jobs were also higher under Reagan and GB1 also.
on June 15,2012 | 10:17AM
beachbum11 wrote:
You are so right. I guess the other here can't see the forest from the tree's. Closed minds thats why this country is in the condition it is. One way think left demos.
on June 15,2012 | 09:06AM
soundofreason wrote:
""And by the way, Europe? They're just cutting, cutting, cutting. And have they solved their problem, their economic woes? No.">>> And THAT is because of all of their FAILED spending spending spendng. Paint the WHOLE picture.
on June 15,2012 | 06:45AM
Highinthesierras wrote:
A moment please, in fact they have failed to cut, that's why Greece is looking for a third bailout. As Al Gore would say, "An Inconvenient Truth."
on June 15,2012 | 07:01AM
EightOEight wrote:
Tell that to the people in Greece who have been rioting off and on and protesting since 2010 because of the austerity measures that have been made in an attempt to reduce the country's deficit; just cuts. One of Greece's leading bailout critics, Antonis Samaris, is now in favor of it...austerity measures alone do NOT work.
on June 15,2012 | 12:56PM
wiliki wrote:
Cutting does not solve their woes.... Cutting is the opposite of spending. You can't do both at once. Make up your mind.
on June 15,2012 | 07:08AM
allie wrote:
true and all in Europe are now realizing that
on June 15,2012 | 11:49AM
hawaiikone wrote:
How many bailouts will it take before there's no one left to provide them? You and your friend wiliki can't see beyond tomorrow.
on June 15,2012 | 03:17PM
wiliki wrote:
Govt spending stops when the recovery is self-sustaining. Basic Keynesian Economics.
on June 15,2012 | 07:16PM
Changalang wrote:
Or, when they default on their debts. Basic Keynesian economic miserable failure; aka the Grecian formula. If you keep rubbing enough in, nobody will notice how old you are until you are already dead.
on June 15,2012 | 09:12PM
EightOEight wrote:
Wrong. Greece only did deep cuts, hence the riots...that is supply-side economics, not Keynseian. Same thing with Spain...just this morning, rioting getting worse.
on June 16,2012 | 08:40AM
EightOEight wrote:
Correct...as in the Bush cuts, which were meant to be TEMPORARY.
on June 16,2012 | 08:41AM
wiliki wrote:
I think that the SA reporter has it wrong about the tax cuts. He's misquoting Hirono. Hirono said that she would let them expire on the top 1%. She was opposed to tax cuts when they were made in good times because they added to the National Debt. It doesn't mean that she is opposed to them in bad times.
on June 15,2012 | 06:57AM
Highinthesierras wrote:
Any idea what that means to the deficit? Thought not - squat!
on June 15,2012 | 07:03AM
wiliki wrote:
Haven't you heard what Rick Santorum said? "Deficits don't count" Santorum....
on June 15,2012 | 07:11PM
Changalang wrote:
Santorum lost because he was an !d!ot, but Americans who are Republican and Democrat know that abusing our money hurts everybody with more pain going to the people with the less money. "A rising tide lifs all boats" (JFK; Democrat and Great President)
on June 15,2012 | 07:53PM
lee1957 wrote:
Wonder when she is going to introduce legislation to the same effect. The tax cuts are set to expire for everyone, that would be the top 100%.
on June 15,2012 | 04:39PM
wiliki wrote:
It's already on the table. All the Democrats need is a majority in the House. No Republican wants to stand up for the US economy. They'd rather win the Presidential electionl.
on June 15,2012 | 07:12PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The problem with our leaders is that they all do not see that the US economy has an enormous trade deficit that is bleeding the economy dry. Then there is the matter of this thing called "Stimulus" that is not working. Why? It worked during the time of Roosevelt. But why is it not working today?The reason can be seen by anyone who walks into a retail or hardware store. Most of the items sold in our retail stores were formerly Made In USA. But not anymore. Most are made in China or other countries. What has got to do with the success of the Stimulus? During Roosevelt's time, factories shut down. When money began to flow into the economy these factories began to produce the consumer goods that people could now afford to buy. New shoes. New clothes. New radios. New ironing board. And when factories began producing the consumer goods Americans used, our economy revived. Today, when the Stimulus package placed money into the people's pocket. The consumer goods that they all buy do not result in an increase in production in the US but in China and other countries that export these consumer goods to the US.
on June 15,2012 | 09:06PM
McCully wrote:
Case was right about Mazie being so far to the left. She was confused and insist on spending and adding more money to the debt. What part doesn't she understand, the country is broke, and Congress needs to STOP spending and bite the bullet. It hurts but al least the country will head into the right direction.
on June 15,2012 | 07:08AM
EightOEight wrote:
Historically, a combination of government jobs programs (stimulus), discretionary spending cuts AND revenue (taxes) pulled the country out of recessions...Keynesian economic principles. This pattern held true under the terms of Reagan and both Bushes although conservatives don't like to acknowledge it. Supply-side (trickle down) economics that conservatives like doesn't help the middle class, the largest consumers (70%) of goods and services. The money tends to stay at the top and the purchasing power of the middle class has eroded because of it. If the middle class doesn't consume, businesses can't grow and provide jobs.
on June 15,2012 | 10:42AM
allie wrote:
yup
on June 15,2012 | 11:49AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Let's take an example of a factory producing shoes during the Great Depression. When most people were jobless, the demand for shoes fell such that soon the factory producing shoes had to close because without sales there was no income to pay the workers. Now comes Roosevelt with what we call today Stimulus Spending. Construction jobs were aplenty. And soon there was a demand for shoes. The factory producing shoes restarted. This scene about shoes was repeated with clothes, and other consumer goods. US factories began producing consumer goods. And the economy took off. Now go to the present and compare. There are is no factory in the US that produces shoes. Nor shirts, Almost all the things one sees in the retail stores are produced abroad. Stimulus spending only leads to increased production in China and other countries but not in the US because we do not produce consumer goods anymore. Most of the money that workers get from Stimulus spending are spent on consumer goods that are not made in USA. And that is the big difference between between today and 80 years ago.
on June 15,2012 | 11:18PM
allie wrote:
Case is spouting republic faled rhetoric
on June 15,2012 | 11:49AM
WesleySMori wrote:
Well ALLIE, "YOU THINK SO"????? Have You BEEN Reading "PLATO'S REPUBLIC" RECENTLY???? :-) "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!!!!!
on June 16,2012 | 04:39PM
ehrhornp wrote:
I wonder if Case would have supported WWII? At the time the country had a deficit which WWII blew out of the water. But WWII was the thing that got the country out of the great depression. It would appear that Case probably would have voted no. Shame Ed refuses to learn from history. Keynesian economics works while Voodoo economics do not.
on June 15,2012 | 07:16AM
9ronboz wrote:
Mazie needs a long vacation
on June 15,2012 | 07:25AM
allie wrote:
I like her. She would be fine as would Case. Lingle's dishonesty and who she represents terrifies me
on June 15,2012 | 07:45AM
pcman wrote:
We actually would be better off if we had one Dem and one Rep in both the House and the Senate. We would have a better shot at convincing the Pres or House and Senate whether Dem or Rep. Don't you think?
on June 15,2012 | 03:12PM
pcman wrote:
She has had a vacation for the last 8 years. Why hasn't she worked on getting Hawaii a fair reimbursement for over $100Million of state spending for educating children of military and other Federal personnel. Currently gets 20 percent of what it costs to educate each child. I'd rather give Case a chance to obtain the federal impact funds for educating federal and military employees.
on June 15,2012 | 03:08PM
enoughisenough wrote:
Nice summary of the key points of the debate. What a shame it is that there won't be more of these face-to-face sessions between now and the primary election. I understand the tactical wisdom from Mazie's standpoint, but it dishonors the democratic process, in my opinion.
on June 15,2012 | 07:44AM
towngirl wrote:
agree. Mazie is doing a dis-service to her constituents by limiting her access to the public. But, after listening to the debate on HPR and watching PBS last night - I guess I can see "the tactical wisdom".
on June 15,2012 | 10:33AM
hawaiikone wrote:
amen
on June 15,2012 | 03:25PM
loquaciousone wrote:
YleI(Y(Ye&&^#$@GAEA!!!EEF
on June 15,2012 | 07:45AM
ready2go wrote:
Time for a change. The old are just hanging around for retirement and old memories. Time for a change!
on June 15,2012 | 07:55AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Mazie said she is in favor of rail but then missed the rail funding vote in the House - because it conflicted with her campaign schedule. That pretty tells me what I need to know about Mazie's commitment to her constituency versus her career.
on June 15,2012 | 08:13AM
HEARTOHEART wrote:
I believe that the fact and the reality of homosexuality and heterosexuality and of opposite and same-gender unions should be taught in our public schools without a value judgement system also being offered. Ed Case I KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE ... IN THE LIGHT OF THE BIG NEWS THAT MILITARY CAN NOW EVEN CELEBRATE THAT THEY ARE GAYS AND LESBIANS THERE WAS ONLY A FEW POLITICIAN IN HAWAII THAT WHAY AHEAD OF THEIR TIME ...AND ED CASE WAS ONE OF THEM ....HE SAID WAY BACK THEN I oppose a constitutional amendment against gay marriage. Ed Case I support allowing homosexuals to serve openly in our military and eliminating the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy. Ed Case THAT WAS IN A TIME THAT POLITICAL BIGOT LIKE MIKE GABBARD (MEMBER OF THE SINISTER HARE KRISHNA SUB CULT OF CHRIS BUTLER ) WAS SENDING HATE MESSAGES TOWARD THE GAY AND LESBIAN COMMUNITY OF HAWAII VIA RADIO AND TV PROGRAMS SPONSORS AT THE TIME BY THE DOWN TO EARTH HELTH FOOD STORE IT WAS NOT A POPULAR SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION ...BUT ED CASE SPOKE OUT ...HE WAS A PIONER SEEKING TO REMOVE BARRIERS FOR GAYS IN THE MILITARY ... AS FAR AS CASE AND HIRONO OPINION ON WARS .......WAR IS ALWAYS A VERY SAD ALTERNATIVE TO PEACE TALKS BUT IF THE USA MUST GO TO WAR .........YOU DO NOT GO TO WAR TIMIDLY..... YOU HAVE TO GO TO WAR WITH ALL THAT YOU GOT ....DRONE AND ALL AND FINISH ...DEFEAT THE ENNEMIE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ... THE USA ECONOMY IS A FREAKING MESS I AM 62 YEARS OLD AND BEEN READING FOR EVER "WE GOT THE ECONOMIC SOLUTIONS " FROM THE DEMOCRATS (CLINTON DID PRETTY GOOD ) BUSH PUT THE USA DEEP INTO THE HOLE AND POOR OBAMA WAS LEFT WITH A FREAKING MESS ......... I HOPE HE WIN AGAIN .............THAT MITT ROMNEY IS A SCARY MORMON AND WE KNOW HOW MORMONS HAVE TREATED HOMOSEXUALS IN THE PAST .....AND DID NOT ALLOW BLACKS TO THEIR PREISTHOOD TILL 1978 ......FOR THEY WHERE ACCORDING TO THEIR TEACHINGS DECENDANTS OF CAIN. AFTER READING EXTENSIVELY ON HIRONO ........IN THIS CASE .......ED CASE IS THE BEST CHOICE
on June 15,2012 | 08:21AM
allie wrote:
yikes!
on June 15,2012 | 11:50AM
hawaiikone wrote:
First time I've ever agreed with you.
on June 15,2012 | 03:30PM
dkk wrote:
Case the best Dem out there, no contest. Only thing he needs to join us in the GOP! He's more of a true blue conservative than most of our wishy washy, multi cultual, equality for all closet humanitarian candidates. Case knows the importance of tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and corporate America. We wealthy are suffering too, Ed knows. Attacking centrist Mazie as a radical leftist extremist for taking the occasional compassionate stance was a master Rovian strategy if I ever saw one. You need to leave the simpering equality loving, minority favoring, peaceniks in your party and join Michelle, Coulter and the rest of real men in the GOP!!
on June 15,2012 | 08:42AM
Descartes22 wrote:
As a result of our geographic location, Hawaii will vote last in the 2012 elections. The balance of power in the Senate will likely be at stake. This is why the fat cat, self-interested benefactors of the Republican party are funneling money to the middle of the Pacific. Lingle will not be bipartisan. Lingle is bi-Lingle - she talks out of two sides of her mouth when she makes claims of bipartisanship. The parties vote in lockstep. For the good of the country, we cannot have a Republican Senate where the reactionary nutcases from the South and Midwest get their way. It was not so long ago that along with Bush the Younger they drove the country into the ground. Too bad for this country's collective gnat-like attention span. So.... whoever of the two less than stellar candidates the Democrats place in the ring, the Dems and independent voters better not let a split decision occur and Lingle stand with her hand raised.
on June 15,2012 | 08:50AM
allie wrote:
Case is a lightweight in eevry reaspect but i take him over the dishonest and dangerous lingle
on June 15,2012 | 11:51AM
WesleySMori wrote:
Well ALLIE, Can YOU "EXPOUND" Your Saying, "Case is A lightweight in every respect"???? "GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"!!!!!
on June 15,2012 | 04:18PM
pcman wrote:
I usually vote Dem. I think it's time to change to bipartisan politics in Hawaii, huh? Maybe they could fix some of the problems that have been the cause of extreme liberalism, such as crime, transportation, education, prisons, cost of living, cost of housing, etc. If we don't change the leadership, nothing will improve but get worse.
on June 15,2012 | 03:23PM
WesleySMori wrote:
Well DESCARTES22, "COGITO ERGO SUM" Which I BELIEVE MEANS, "I THINK THEREFORE I AM" AND "DUBITO, ERGO COGITO, ERGO SUM" Which I ALSO BELIEVE Means, "I DOUBT, THEREFORE I THINK, THEREFORE I AM"!!! Another Of "RENE DESCARTES" saying/quotes "To Know what People Really Think, Pay Attention To What They DO, RATHER Than What They SAY"!!! I HOPE The The VOTERS DO ALL THREE!!!"GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!!!
on June 16,2012 | 05:42PM
scooters wrote:
Case will work with he other party, while Hirono can only follow the orders given by Danny boy...
on June 15,2012 | 09:07AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
There seemed to be some actual meat in this debate. Wouldn't it have been nice if Mazie had agreed to a debate in a forum easily accessible to most residents instead of thee peek-a-boo debates? I really cannot forgive her for this tactic - denying her constituents a fair hearing between her and Case solely because of political tactics. We know Mazie has been hiding and dodging. When she finally is in a debate - even an obscure forum with limited access - real issues and differences of opinion come out which we should hear first hand. But Mazie won't let that happen which is to the detriment of the voters. I don't want that attitude in Congress.
on June 15,2012 | 10:01AM
Changalang wrote:
It is the only way the Mazie Machine can win; now comes Internet race baiting, truly despicable.
on June 15,2012 | 07:29PM
WesleySMori wrote:
AGREED CHANGALANG!!! The Internet Race Baiting is "TRUELY DESPICABLE"!!!! BUT I DO NOT THINK "MAZIE WOULD CONDONE IT"!!! "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!!
on June 16,2012 | 04:51PM
dkk wrote:
Real Americans vote for Case. Can you look at yourself in the mirror every Dec 7 if you vote Hirono??
on June 15,2012 | 03:31PM
WesleySMori wrote:
WOW DKK!!!!! "A BIT RACIST Talk HERE"!!! "PLEASE LEAVE THE 'RACE' CARD", Where IT BELONGS, "IN THE GARBAGE CAN"!!!!! Addendum: Are You A Closet HIRONO SUPPORTER??? "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!!!!
on June 15,2012 | 04:35PM
dkk wrote:
Case knows, they only good for one thing, he'll marry them, just knows to keep them in their place. China taking over the world! And he's got the right idea on women's rights-mazie would have the gals getting aheadache worrying their little heads about things best left to the menfolk. And bomb those foreigners who disagree with the American way, leave the concerns about due process of law to those simpering peace loving dems. God Bless Case and the Drone Program and the American race.
on June 15,2012 | 05:17PM
dkk wrote:
Dems have some nerve always accusing us of racism. We have Michelle malkin for chrissakes! She's a love you long time type isn't she? We need Ed to join us real men in the GOP where he belongs. Us good old boys are right behind you Ed!!
on June 15,2012 | 05:32PM
Changalang wrote:
Mazie's supporters will do anything to keep the Machine in power. We are ashamed for you. You are not fooling anybody here with your BS.
on June 15,2012 | 07:27PM
Changalang wrote:
WTFRU talking about? Ed's wife and kids are Japanese. If you want to vote for a white man, then consider the Republican option in this Senate race.
on June 15,2012 | 07:24PM
EightOEight wrote:
Dkk, lower your dosages, please.
on June 16,2012 | 09:06AM
sunnyhi wrote:
Blue dog vs yellow dog??? Woof! Woof!
on June 15,2012 | 08:50PM
EightOEight wrote:
Go see Oz, you need a brain. Your racist quip is not funny.
on June 16,2012 | 09:08AM
WesleySMori wrote:
"YUP"!!!!! "GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"!!!!!!!
on June 16,2012 | 04:44PM
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