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Caldwell coasts to mayoral win

By B.J. Reyes

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Starting from a distant third place behind two well-known challengers at the start of the year, Kirk Caldwell completed his surge Tuesday by topping former Gov. Ben Cayetano in the race for Hono­lulu mayor and earning the right to continue overseeing the progress of the city's $5.26 billion rail transit project.

With all 156 precincts reporting, the former city managing director who has pledged to "do rail better" came away with 53.9 percent. Cayetano, who came out of retirement to give the anti-rail movement a legitimate contender, earned 46.1 percent of the vote.

"I want to let everyone know that we're going to work together to move this city and this county forward," Caldwell said in his victory speech to a boisterous crowd of more than 300 supporters packed into a ballroom next to Aloha Tower. "You have my total commitment — total commitment — to work hard every single day, 24/7 on all the issues."

It was Cayetano's first loss in his three decades in public office, and he blamed it on negative campaigning.

"I thought if the issues were discussed fairly, openly in a debate, that we would win this election," Cayetano said in his concession speech to a thinning crowd of about 400 gathered at Neal Blaisdell Center. "Never in my wildest dreams did I even contemplate that an organization like PRP (Pacific Resource Partnership), whose members are anonymous, would come out and spend $3 million to attack me."

Cayetano, who turns 73 next week, said he has no plans to seek elected office again.

"I am a two-term governor, retired, I've been through nine elections. I'm 8-1 now, that's not too bad, is it?" Cayetano joked. "This is my last election. I'm too damn old to run anymore, frankly."

Caldwell celebrated into the night and took time to meet briefly with Gov. Neil Abercrombie and U.S. Sen. Dan Inouye, who both stopped by his campaign rally.

Inouye said Caldwell will be a good mayor, but that he can't do it alone.

"Now it's time for all of us to roll up our sleeves, not just the winners but both (sides), and see if we can work together," Inouye said.

Caldwell said he, too, would like to reach out to rail opponents and address their concerns to improve the project.

"Even with my own family, they don't all agree on rail, but we don't break apart as a family," Caldwell said. "We agree to disagree, but we also listen, actively listen, and try to address some of the concerns that people who don't support the system have. And perhaps we can address those concerns and as a result build rail better, and maybe get them to support the project."

Caldwell said he defeated Cayetano because he stayed positive and focused on all the issues affecting the city and county.

"You never heard me once accusing anyone of causing a problem," he said. "What I did is I talked about solving problems about solutions, and I talked about all the issues, from sewage to water to garbage to road repaving. But I think these things made a difference in the end because people realized whoever is mayor, whether you build rail or kill it, all those other issues remain and those are the issues that a mayor deals with."

Caldwell will succeed Mayor Peter Carlisle, the popular former prosecutor who served just two years in office. Carlisle, who defeated Caldwell in a special election in 2010 to fill the second half of the term vacated by Mufi Hannemann, lost his bid for re-election in the August primary after finishing third behind Cayetano and Caldwell.

Cayetano was the top vote-getter in August with 44.7 percent, falling short of the 50 percent majority needed to win the office outright and forcing him into the November runoff. Caldwell finished second with 29.5 percent and Carlisle third with 25.1 percent.

But Caldwell, a tireless campaigner who began the year a distant third in the race, was backed by most of the state's largest labor unions and pro-rail groups, which poured more than $3 million into the race to take down Cayetano.

Cayetano, the former two-term Democratic governor, was backed by a coalition of rail opponents, many of whom had supported Republican candidates and causes in the past.

The race had been marked by big money going to both sides with the fate of the rail project at stake. Caldwell raised $1.6 million, a shade above Cayetano's $1.4 million.

Among the more visible outside spenders in the race was the Pacific Resource Partnership, a pro-rail group that spent $2.8 million for ads attacking Cayetano.

Cayetano has called the ads character assassination and part of a smear campaign to discredit his candidacy. The ads centered on illegal donations to Cayetano's last gubernatorial campaign and his pardons as governor, and included a mailer trying to link him to the state Republican Party.

Cayetano has sued PRP for defamation, alleging that some of its advertisements are false and defamatory.

PRP is a trade name for the Carpenters Market Recovery Fund, which is an alliance between the Hawaii Carpenters Union and contractors that use unionized workers. Its executive director, John White, has said the campaign is simply pointing out parts of Cayetano's record that have been documented publicly.

"This election will usher (in) a new era in Hawaii politics and basically, what it means is that if you've got money, if you've got influence, then you will be able to sway the way people vote," Cayetano said.

Opponents criticized Cayetano as a one-issue candidate, while the former governor said all other city issues — roads, sewers, bridges, parks — hinged on the money that would be saved by the city if the rail project was halted.

In four televised debates before the primary, the conversation repeatedly circled back to the necessity or lack of such for the rail project.

Carlisle said he felt the project was too far along to be stopped, while Caldwell conceded that he felt Cayetano would be successful in stopping the project.

Cayetano had been the favorite for most of the race, announcing his campaign in January and immediately surging to the lead.

A February Hawaii Poll conducted for the Star-Advertiser and Hawaii News Now showed Cayetano with 44 percent, Carlisle at 35 percent and Caldwell a distant third at 16 percent. Caldwell — backed by the support of unions including the Hawaii Government Employees Association and United Public Workers — chipped away at Carlisle, also a strong rail supporter, to ultimately overtake him in the primary.

Some of Carlisle's pro-rail support was expected to transfer to Caldwell, and a more recent Hawaii Poll indicated virtually all of it had. In the October Hawaii Poll, Caldwell led by 11 points — 53 percent to 42 percent —over Cayetano.

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Star-Advertiser reporters William Cole and Sarah Zoellick contributed to this report.






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Kuniarr wrote:
The thing most precious to commuters to commuters - Traffic Relief on H1 - is now gone with the loss of Cayetano. in this election

For one of what Cayetano's F.A.S.T. would have brought into Honolulu was the virtual elimination of the nightmare of Stop- And-Go traffic congestion like that on Oct. 31 or during morning and afternoon rush hour. For Cayerano's F.A.S,T, would have introduced into Honolulu the system that various State Department of Transportation used to prevent Stop-And-Go traffic congestion from happening on a State or Inter-State Highway.
on November 7,2012 | 12:44AM
what wrote:
I am not surprised Caldwell won. PRP spent $3 million dollars blasting the airwaves and stuffing every mailbox with thousands of negative ads. Unfortunately, much of the people of Hawaii are simple folk who only have advertising to inform them about candidates. Cayetano was simply out-gunned by big business special interests. PRP bought this election. The people of Hawaii have only themselves to blame for transforming Honolulu into a subsidiary of Parson Brinkherhoff, Kiewit, Ansaldo and company.
on November 7,2012 | 01:05AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
Another wooden stake into the HART of the Titanic rail fiasco from no where to no where and much more than a blight!
on November 7,2012 | 01:23AM
etalavera wrote:
Shh...the people have spoken
on November 7,2012 | 01:35AM
wiliki wrote:
Maybe Ben never heard them speak? He never mentions that in his analysis... Perhaps he'll run on the issue again in the next election for a Councilman?
on November 7,2012 | 02:21AM
wiliki wrote:
People complain about PACs. But unless we can deal effectively with campaign financing we'll continue to have dysfunctional government. A candidate like Ben needs to be accountable for the effects of his past actions-- even if not illegal.

We need publicly financed elections so that the truth can come out... negative ads are not bad if they tell the truth.


on November 7,2012 | 02:31AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
It's difficult to explain how rail benefits our future. We need rail and the special rail funding gives us the opportunity to get it. Rail is for world-class cities. Rail is a desirable infrastructure to improve our transportation for the future. The rail tax should not be used for anything else. Any type of modified bus plan is a waste of the special funding already set for rail. Sure we could use improvements to our bus system but these should be to improve the integration of buses into operation with rail. Rail will be the primary mover of the masses of passengers as buses circulating the neighborhoods feed into the rail trunk line. An all-bus system which uses roadways which are in competition with other vehicles will never be the standard in world-class urban areas. Right now we have the opportunity to build a modern high-speed high capacity rail line with the help of special funding. We get $1.5 billion from the FTA which discounts the cost. We also have the half percent general excise tax where non-residents such as tourists help us pay for rail. Rail is an opportunity for a better future for our children and grandchildren. Don’t listen to naysayers who are probably rich people accepting of the status quo because they already have the resources to live the way they want now. Rail is for the rest of us average locals who will benefit from better transportation and a better economy resulting from more jobs from rail construction and transit oriented development. We have rail funding and we should not waste the opportunity to build rail. The good thing is that Caldwell got in and we can now do rail "the right way" to make everyone happy.
on November 7,2012 | 05:58AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
The point is that everything always seems expensive at the present. We need to build rail now for the future. We have the financing in place and we need to bite the bullet and build it now so we don't keep looking back in hindsight. Rail projects everywhere have been opposed when planned but rail systems in operation now are not regretted. We have to keep regretting that we did not build it decades ago. Build rail now and we will all be very happy when it is finally built.
on November 7,2012 | 06:10AM
OldDiver wrote:
Ben Cayetano's poll numbers didn't move an inch since February. While I was not happy with the some of the PRP ads, it doesn't appear it moved Cayetano's numbers one way or the other.
on November 7,2012 | 07:44AM
bender wrote:
Responding to ukuleleblue. We might need rail but we need parking at the rail stations, not TOD. That's the only way rail will succeed. You are dealing with our attachment to our cars and if you hope to get people out of those cars, you need to make it easy.
on November 7,2012 | 07:46AM
etalavera wrote:
The city does not need to build more garages. People can take the bus. If there is a significant need for parking garages, I'm sure some enterprising business person will invest money and build a parking lot next to the station. Unless by "making it easier" what bender means is he like someone pick him up at his house and drop him off at the rail station...
on November 7,2012 | 09:11AM
what wrote:
You say "people can take the bus". That is at the core of what's wrong with people like you. You are high and mighty and want to tell people what to do and how they should commute, and should pay too much taxes for the way you want them to commute.
on November 7,2012 | 11:32AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
Sadly, I voted for him when he ran for governor against Lingle because he was the lesser of two evils, but I never forgot how terrible his administration was, only second to Waihe'e, So glad he got bounced. Now diet....
on November 7,2012 | 12:49PM
wiliki wrote:
Without rail, our grandchildren have no future. We need to focus on the future and what it means with rail.
on November 7,2012 | 04:33PM
etalavera wrote:
I hope all of the anti-rail obstructionists (Cayetano, Berg, Panos, Slater & company) now shut up and get the hell out of the way
on November 7,2012 | 02:49AM
Kapcity wrote:
They will not...but atleast a lot of paid anti rail bloggers not here today...checks not coming maybe???
on November 7,2012 | 03:09AM
leoscott wrote:
Yes, stop standing in the way of progress!
on November 7,2012 | 05:49AM
piimahoe wrote:
we will see when the names associated with prp comes out in about a year then watch for the real movers and shakers in hawaii all big bussinesses
on November 7,2012 | 06:28AM
kiragirl wrote:
In the end, motorists will find out if they voted correctly. They will have to sit in traffic for 6-8 years and then when rail is built, they will find out that rail do not relieve traffic but gave them higher property taxes. Yep, too bad that Honolulu is a union State controlled by the unions and developers. So sad. Oh, forgot to mention pro-railers who are not too bright!
on November 7,2012 | 06:31AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Not at all the real fight has just begun and the courts will be busy and rail will die!
on November 7,2012 | 07:00AM
mito1 wrote:
eTALAVERA, now you come out and throw your puches! where were you from the beginning of the race? Because your candidate won, you are coming out open. Wow! Good luck and congratulations! GIVE RESPECT! We are proud to fight for what we believe in. You can't shut off people and ask to get out of the way. Give RESPECT!.
on November 7,2012 | 07:39AM
bender wrote:
Who are you to tell anyone to shut up. Last I heard we are a nation of free speech. That's what enabled PRP to sling all the mud.
on November 7,2012 | 07:47AM
OldDiver wrote:
I don't expect Cayetano's suit to go anywhere. Ben is the last person who wants to testify under oath about his involvement in the pay to play scandal.
on November 7,2012 | 07:48AM
nalogirl wrote:
It's people like you that make elections suck. You guys can't even be gracious winners. Whatever, and I expect more of the same attitude from the new Mayor, very discouraging.
on November 7,2012 | 08:32AM
etalavera wrote:
Oh please, Cayetano threatening to sue HART saying he'll prosecute them for malfeasance. That's your candidate and your person lost. Cayetano had a chance to convince people that his FAST plan was better than rail. He failed. If you no like that's too bad. No can everyone be winners. Cayetano tried to bully others, tried to spin his record as governor, and he failed. The voters have spoken. If this was Survivor, Ben would be off the island!
on November 7,2012 | 09:14AM
Allenk wrote:
Let's see if all the big PRP donors even ride the rail after its been built.
on November 7,2012 | 09:28AM
OldDiver wrote:
nalogirl apparently missed Ben concession speech.
on November 7,2012 | 12:44PM
kainalu wrote:
Ben has blamed everything but himself for this lost. He blames the Unions, he blames the negative ads, he blames the money. He doesn't give the voters any credit. Ben lost because of his position on the issues. Ben lost because he was a one-issue candidate. Rail didn't drive my vote.
on November 7,2012 | 06:11AM
Valleyisle57 wrote:
Kiragirl....stop blaming the Unions! I am a union memeber as well as many of us are. I was NEVER forced to vote for anyone I didnt want to vote for. I was very unimpressed with Duke Aionas remarks last night stating the exact same thing you are saying. I didnt vote for Caldwell but at least I wasnt forced to vote for him as you seem to think ALL union members are! Its time people realize that its not about Unions or special interest groups. Its about educating yourself as to the issues and voting accordingly....STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!
on November 7,2012 | 06:45AM
Dbung wrote:
I agree....I knew I didn't want him for mayor even before the PRP ads and didn't appreciate that he ran for office on a single platform.
on November 7,2012 | 06:50AM
bender wrote:
Wrong, Both cadidates were equally qualified to run the city. The only thing that separated them was their position on rail, and that hardly makes Cayetano a one issue candidate.
on November 7,2012 | 07:51AM
Opihipika wrote:
No, not that. He lost because everyone could see through his BS. People are not stupid! They know what kind of man he really is. I've never seen such a bad loser.
on November 7,2012 | 08:22AM
billso wrote:
Ben didn't offer a coherent plan for any major issue. That's why he lost.
on November 7,2012 | 08:25AM
etalavera wrote:
billso Exactly, people saw through Cayetano's shiibai with his awful FAST = SUCK plan. There's traffic? How about more buses? Maybe throw in some underpasses in major interstections and a BRT system rejected a couple of years ago. Maybe a new freeway on Nimitz? Thankfully, the people of Oahu have spoken! No more obstructionism and silly lawsuits from Cayetano, Slater, etc. Let's get this train moving!
on November 7,2012 | 09:27AM
Workingrl wrote:
Ben said "This is my last election. I'm too damn old to run anymore, frankly." He was already too old to run this time. He's done.
on November 7,2012 | 07:00AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Hey the people have spoken. It is going to be hilarious to watch the city try to put this rail project together. When they finish spending $10 billion in about six or seven years, and then no one rides this train to nowhere, I'll be falling down laughing. And yes, the traffic from the leeward side? Worse then ever my friends. Congrats to Smiling Kirk and the despicable John White. You wanted them, you got 'em.
on November 7,2012 | 11:56AM
NITRO08 wrote:
Give a rest rail is here to stay stop crying!
on November 7,2012 | 12:12PM
bubbaButt wrote:
Hell yeah!!!
on November 7,2012 | 04:35PM
jimbone wrote:
I second that......... Shhhh.
on November 7,2012 | 04:25AM
rsgea wrote:
It's the BEGINNING OF THE END!

The pro-rail faction may have won the election but the people lost!


on November 7,2012 | 06:20AM
kiragirl wrote:
Yep, they won the battle but will lose the war.
on November 7,2012 | 06:33AM
itoboy wrote:
Nope - I'll be smiling the whole way from Downtown to Kapolei. And good chances my employees will be smiling too because I'm adding a rail pass as part of our benefit package. For my company, no more monthly parking subsidies. For me, it will mean getting to and from the airport a breeze, no airport parking, no fighting traffic to/from the airport, no more cab fares or bugging people for rides, and no more anti-rail bull crap.
on November 7,2012 | 07:23AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Hawaii has lost
on November 7,2012 | 06:35AM
etalavera wrote:
rsgea, kiragirl, wonderman1, kunairr, kalaheo1, malamakaaina, wazdat, false = YOU LOST & YOUR CANDIDATE LOST. nuff already! drop the phony lawsuits and the obstructionism! the voters have spoken!
on November 7,2012 | 07:19AM
rsgea wrote:
etalavera, YOU LOST TOO.

IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE END!


on November 7,2012 | 07:28AM
etalavera wrote:
Nopes rsgea, you & the anti-railers lost. I want rail & I voted for Kirk Caldwell, mayor.
on November 7,2012 | 07:56AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
etalavera wrote: rsgea, kiragirl, wonderman1, kunairr, kalaheo1, malamakaaina, wazdat, false = YOU LOST & YOUR CANDIDATE LOST. nuff already! drop the phony lawsuits and the obstructionism! the voters have spoken!

You're right, my candidate did lose, and I'm sad about that. Regardless the lawsuits regarding the shortcuts the City took on rail aren't phony, and that's why the Hawaii Supreme Court has all those bulldozer and cement mixers sitting idle.
on November 7,2012 | 08:06AM
mcc wrote:
Not to worry. Rail is going to lose in court. Mufi and Caldwell rushed foward to try to not stop it. Rail equals Super Ferry. Bye, bye. Donate to Honolulutraffic. com
on November 7,2012 | 08:10AM
etalavera wrote:
mcc Cayetano lost! enough lawsuits already! respect the will of the voters! you guys say the 0.5% GET tax is too much, but then like ask for donation? It's not even tax deductible!
on November 7,2012 | 08:44AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Your pronouncements and predictions BEFORE the election turned out to be completely untrue, so excuse me if I don't give anything you say AFTER the election any credibility. You lost. Suck it up.
on November 7,2012 | 06:20PM
2_centz wrote:
I hope kirk, stop smoking or drinking and open his eyes and mind about this rail stuff. Kirk better take a real good look at rail. in the next 4 years we can vote for someone else too. then kirk going be like Mufi.
on November 7,2012 | 07:40AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The people voted!
on November 7,2012 | 11:37AM
piimahoe wrote:
no bjg bussiness has
on November 7,2012 | 06:26AM
wondermn1 wrote:
America and Hawaii loses! Who is going to want to be in business? It looks like the Stock Market was not happy with the results either as the Dow is down 300. Millions lost and in Hawaii Billions to be wasted. Great time to be on Welfare because there is no pride left.
on November 7,2012 | 06:34AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
Like I said earlier, move to China, loser. Wall Street is crying because their Carte Blanche card from Mitt Romney was declined.
on November 7,2012 | 12:57PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
And the stock market will bounce back in a couple days. Will you come in here and admit you were wrong again?
on November 7,2012 | 06:21PM
chief wrote:
EXACTLY!! Nobody's vote was bought, Cayetano lacked integrity.
on November 7,2012 | 06:38AM
mito1 wrote:
The people have spoken? Or the people were paid?. It makes a lot of difference for fighting with a good reaon rather than fighting because you were paid. . We lost but we can walk with our heads up. We are proud of Ben Cayetano for being a strong leader and a good man. I just hope that Mayor elect Kirk Caldwell will fulfill his promises to the people. I contratulate everyone win or lost. Everybody worked hard for this campaign but the negative campaign contributed a big impact to this election and it will be remembered. The shooting of Cayetano's Banner and, The burning of Cayetano's Banner willalways be remembered by many. Above all, my husband and I are proud Filipino. Proud Citizen ! CONGRATULATIONS GOVERNOR BEN CAYETANO. CONGRATULATIONS MRS.VICKY CAYETANO. GOV BEN, YOU ARE A TRUE LEADER WITH A GOOD HEART. WE LOVE YOU. GOD BLESS US ALL....... WE LOVE YOU, TAKE CARE
on November 7,2012 | 07:26AM
kispest wrote:
It is amazing, that when Ben cayaetano was running for Governor on the democratic ticket, all the Big Boy were endorsing him. As far as Mayor (non partisan office) all whwre agianst him starting with Inouye. Shows the corruptness of the Dems.
on November 7,2012 | 07:54AM
walaau808 wrote:
What it shows is that Ben speaks from both sides of his mouth. He makes promises that he has no intention to keep. He proved as governor that it wasn't about what was best for the people - it was only about what is best for Ben. The election results actually show what people think of Ben.
on November 7,2012 | 11:45AM
etalavera wrote:
Oh please you're saying 54% of the pro-rail people got paid to vote for Caldwell? Please, just man up and say what everyone else already knows: Cayetano was a one trick pony = kill rail and everything will be okay. Then he presented his "alternative" FAST = SUCK plan and voters realized how awful it was going to be.
on November 7,2012 | 09:29AM
itoboy wrote:
mito1: Many Filipinos like me supported Ben 110% when he ran for Gov. two times. I was very active in both his campaigns and so proud of him, and I still am. But this time, I and many Filipinos could not support him even if we wanted because he did not have a good plan for us. I am not a union member, and I did not get paid by rail or by any candidate. I have my own business that has nothing to do with construction or rail. I was so disappointed Cayetano decided to run without a plan. His only plan was to kill rail. It was only after the primary he announced his FAST plan, which was not well-thought out. It was really sad, even though I voted for Kirk, to see Cayetano's perfect election record ruined. These anti-rail people who post here don't even care about Ben. They just used him to try to carry out their anti-rail agenda.
on November 7,2012 | 11:59AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
He shouldn't have run.
on November 7,2012 | 01:04PM
aaronavilla wrote:
what, we got paid to vote for Caldwell? where's my check??? I voted for him for free...
on November 7,2012 | 05:03PM
Workingrl wrote:
Wheres the stake ?? Rail won this election with a good margin.
on November 7,2012 | 07:30AM
control wrote:
The Silent Majority, the 99%, the REAL 'we the people', have spoken loud and clear via the only poll that counts. Lingle, Berg, Djou, Hemmings, CayetaNO, Mittens, all got their okoles kicked. LOL
on November 7,2012 | 04:21AM
TMJ wrote:
No, the union bosses have spoken. We sure do have some obedient union members in Hawaii nei; they do as they're told.
on November 7,2012 | 05:42AM
Allenk wrote:
Like sheep obediently following the money.
on November 7,2012 | 05:48AM
kispest wrote:
Well said!
on November 7,2012 | 07:55AM
itoboy wrote:
I don't need anyone's money - not rail's, not anti-rail's, not nobody. I don't have government contracts, and I'm not in the construction business. But I believe rail is a better option than FAST.
on November 7,2012 | 12:01PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
Keep on believing, that's what you deserve.
on November 7,2012 | 01:08PM
etalavera wrote:
Lol 53% of voters are union members? Wow must've missed that one
on November 7,2012 | 05:48AM
pakeheat wrote:
How many union endorsements did Caldwell received? Would you know how many of the 53% are not union members?
on November 7,2012 | 06:38AM
itoboy wrote:
There you are pakeheat! Wondering what happened to you after your anti-rail agenda got trounced. Why does it matter if they are union members? Whether you are a janitor or a CEO, you have one vote. I'm not a union member, and I'm part of the 53% so you can cross me off your list. I also know at least 100 other people who voted for Kirk who are not union members. The point is that a majority voted for Kirk who has pledged his support for rail, so either help paddle the canoe or go live somewhere else.
on November 7,2012 | 08:11AM
Poidogs wrote:
^^ Not a union member.
on November 7,2012 | 09:49AM
kiragirl wrote:
Chop suey union members and idiots!
on November 7,2012 | 06:42AM
8082062424 wrote:
No itoboy we will just get out of the canoe and sit back and watch it sink
on November 7,2012 | 08:50AM
etalavera wrote:
8082062424 it'll sink like how you said Cayetano would win? Like dat? LMFAO
on November 7,2012 | 09:30AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
And you are even worse, ugly.
on November 7,2012 | 01:10PM
Dbung wrote:
Wow...the unions backed Cayetano when he was running for governor and he and his supporters loved the unions. Now they are backing someone else and they hate them.
on November 7,2012 | 06:59AM
mcc wrote:
And the jobs go to out of state people. Union workers lost. Too much blind faith.
on November 7,2012 | 08:12AM
walaau808 wrote:
Another stupid comment. When the rail starts up again, please go look and see who is doing the building ok?
on November 7,2012 | 11:50AM
walaau808 wrote:
Are you guys that ignorant? So what if the union told people who the union supported. We vote via secret ballot, and we vote based on our own conscience. To imply otherwise is simply ludicrous!
on November 7,2012 | 11:48AM
IEBuzzin wrote:
I hear the violin quartet playing really sad music. So very sad....
on November 7,2012 | 01:06PM
jomama wrote:
Amen to that.
on November 7,2012 | 06:32AM
wondermn1 wrote:
So now who is going to support YOU. As small business will retire and live only to pay the TAX INCREASES. Oahu has lost.
on November 7,2012 | 06:38AM
itoboy wrote:
Wrong Wondermn1 - We are already paying with the 1/2 percent GET and guess what? My small business is thriving and will continue to thrive, especially now that I'm going to make monthly rail passes an employee benefit, which will end the downtown parking subsidies I currently provide. For me, I'll be able to get to and from the airport in a breeze - no more fighting traffic worried that I'll miss my flight or be late for a meeting; no more airport parking; and no more cab rides and getting people to give me rides.
on November 7,2012 | 07:30AM
8082062424 wrote:
That the thing if you work in down town or Waikiki rail might work because they all pay for parking. the rest of us do not pay for parking and will not give up our cars. so i hope there enough of you to pay for rail. chances are most of rail riders will be those who ride the bus
on November 7,2012 | 08:53AM
itoboy wrote:
Keep posting 8082062424: "will just get out of the canoe and sit back and watch it sink" Your attitude is what turned former staunch supporters of Cayetano like me away to support Kirk. You don't care about anyone except yourselves. No rail? OK, fine. But where's the solution? You come up with this ridiculous idea of putting more buses on the already crowded roads and to build a double-decker flyover Nimitz. With what money? No one knows. Now that you didn't get your way, you don't want to be part of the solution - you just want to sink the rail without any consideration of the consequences of sinking it. Keep posting and opening your mouth - it will drive people to build rail faster.
on November 7,2012 | 12:08PM
pakeheat wrote:
IRT itoboy, you say we got trounced? Isn't the results almost the same as in 2008? Slight majority I would say, trouncing would be like Hirono beating Lingle, isn't?
on November 7,2012 | 11:44AM
etalavera wrote:
You guys lost. AGAIN. Steel-on-steel, HART, & Caldwell. Nuff already!
on November 7,2012 | 01:50PM
8082062424 wrote:
Just stating a fact. folks are not going to give up there cars. most parents pick kids up after school and make a run to the store. rail will not do it. for those who work down town and Waikiki yes all the rest nope. it is what it is. if folks do not ride it in high numbers it will fail.. And no i will not give up my car i pay car insurance and car payments. Not to have to catch a bus to ride rail then get off and get on another bus. then have to buy a rail pass. that insane. you want to ride it more power to you. it is what it is
on November 7,2012 | 12:25PM
BH1 wrote:
I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture. The point IS to get all those leeward residents that you spoke of who work in town and Waikiki OFF THE ROAD during peak hours. A majority of those people that clog Ft Weaver and H-1 east into town, do the same exact routine everyday. They wake up, sit in traffic, go to work, leave work, sit in traffic, pick up kids and go home. Well it's a lot easier to ride rail direct to and from work. Then get your car and go pick up your kids in your own community. The benefit for everyone else is that it frees up/alleviates the congestion made with all of those leeward residents on the road.
on November 7,2012 | 02:51PM
bubbaButt wrote:
I got it... you like sitting in traffic 1 to 1 and a half hours a day, one way.
on November 7,2012 | 04:44PM
false wrote:
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on November 7,2012 | 01:51PM
8082062424 wrote:
Any one with kids will make there life easy as they can. Not to mention quite o lot of kids on that side attend private schools in town.. these same parents also drops off there kids at school. It is not way easer to use rail for them far from it. sounds like you like them all to use rail to make your life and drive easyer
on November 7,2012 | 03:20PM
IEBuzzin wrote:
BOOM!
on November 7,2012 | 01:04PM
boshio wrote:
Congratulaions Mayor Caldwell. We are all ready to move forward with your leadership.
on November 7,2012 | 05:57AM
Grimbold wrote:
...boshio, leadership to empty our pockets that is..
on November 7,2012 | 04:49PM
jomama wrote:
Ward Research = vindicated? Remember when all you anti-rail trolls were claiming conspiracy last week? Guess you were wrong. What else were you wrong about?
on November 7,2012 | 06:39AM
kaip2 wrote:
Your reference to Hawaii voters as “simple folks” shows your shallowness. Hawaii voters carefully study their choices and even though this election year was pilau with much negative ads coming from all directions (PRP, Defend Ben, Saveourhonolulu.com, etc.), we are able to see through that and make very well-educated and good voting decisions.
on November 7,2012 | 08:51AM
what wrote:
I have spoken to many people about the candidates, and make it a point to ask what they think and what their friends think. I stand by what I said, the vast majority of people have no idea what's going on. They let the TV commercials and PRP ads shape their opinion of the candidates. It's very sad, but the word "sheep" is an apt description of many voters.
on November 7,2012 | 10:27AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
And those baaaaa behind cayetaNO weren't sheepskin?
on November 7,2012 | 11:44AM
walaau808 wrote:
I suppose you think of everything all by yourself, right? Other peoples opinions don't mean a thing to you? Your opinion comes from somewhere, and it most certainly is the stuff you bother to read or see. You have also been influenced by t.v., radio, print ads, etc. as coming up with an unbiased or un-slanted opinion is impossible. You'll believe what you want to believe. Sheep describes you as well...
on November 7,2012 | 11:53AM
what wrote:
Did you read what I said? I said I ask people what their opinions are, so how can you say it doesn't mean anything to me? I'm sorry, people don't understand the math and number involved with city finances, you certainly don't seem to care.
on November 7,2012 | 12:16PM
kaip2 wrote:
So let me make sure I understand this. Because I'm a Hawaii "Simple Folk" I voted for Ben Cayetano because I was influenced by the Defend Ben and Saveourhonolulu.com TV, radio and print ads. Your condescending view of the Hawaii voters is very disturbing. Sorry but not everyone can be part of the master race.
on November 7,2012 | 01:29PM
what wrote:
Master race? Uh, ok.
on November 7,2012 | 04:55PM
aaronavilla wrote:
I find that hard to believe. a lot of people based their opinion on the mayoral race on either 1) their stance on rail or 2) their feelings about Cayetano's time as governer. Smear campaigns work when used against something unknown. Cayetano is well-known in town, and his reputation precedes him. His attitude during the campaign only reinforced that perception. However, just like the Republican party, if the anti-rail contingent continues to blindly hold onto what they think is true in spite of the fact that they lost (again), they'll just continue to be on the losing end of the fight for elections to come. That's fine with me. Keep doing what you are doing - it isn't working but that's okay!
on November 7,2012 | 05:12PM
false wrote:
Can't wait for 4 years to pass and crack up laughing at this Rail of a Disaster. Going to laugh everyday and dollars go up and the burden of 20 miles to nowhere continues. Every penny is going to be smile of "I win". Just watch the dollar costs bury all of you Pro Railers. Your vote got swindled and you didn't even notice. It's like story of catching wild pigs. Put the food out in the same place everyday. The pigs eat and don't notice that everyday a fence goes up. 3 days and 3 connected rails, the 4th day the pigs come and the 4th rail goes up and there are pigs all fenced in and mad as hell. So fun.
on November 7,2012 | 09:58AM
etalavera wrote:
Did you hear the story of the former governor who ran for mayor and lost? Should go borrow the book from the library, I heard it is pretty good LMFAO
on November 7,2012 | 01:46PM
bubbaButt wrote:
Let us plan a date 4 years from now so you can spout your garbage. Where will you be on November 7, 2016?
on November 7,2012 | 04:47PM
bobbob wrote:
FAST is a sham. He cannot reallocate the GET surcharge money. FAST doesn't qualify for any sort of federal grants. FAST isn't even off the ground. The only purpose behind it is to shut down the rail project and ensure the money already spent on the rail was wasted. Voters realized this, and voted accordingly. For the record, I voted for Cayetano in the primary, and against him on Tuesday.
on November 7,2012 | 02:41AM
etalavera wrote:
FAST should be placed in the same hole as Cayetano, Panos & Berg's political careers.
on November 7,2012 | 02:53AM
goodday wrote:
there's a pretty good express bus from kunia to downtown. you should try it
on November 7,2012 | 05:49AM
itoboy wrote:
I've tried the one from Kapolei. Bus is pretty good, except when the bus sits behind all the other cars at the H-1/H-2 merge. It used to be better when the Zipper lane was limited to 3 or more passengers. Going back in the afternoon is the pits. I'm looking forward to the rail.
on November 7,2012 | 07:33AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Cayetano's mistake was not making the election issue - Rail vs. Traffic Relief (plus BRT) instead of Rail vs. BRT.

Cayetano's F.A.S.T. was going to bring to Honolulu what various State DOTs in the US have been doing that prevents Stop-And- Go traffic congestion from happening on State and Inter-State highways.

For everyone wants Traffic Relief on H1. Everyone.

For most would want to be rid of suffering the nightmare of Stop-and-Go traffic when an accident occurs on the H1 such as that horrible accident on October 31? .

So too would most want to be rid of sitting for hours in traffic during morning and afternoon rush hour.
on November 7,2012 | 09:39AM
etalavera wrote:
He did make it a referendum on Rail vs FAST. Too bad voters realized FAST = SUCK. That's why Ben Cayetano lost.
on November 7,2012 | 01:48PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Rail voters may have won but in actuality they all lost.

For in winning, those who voted for Caldwell will continue to have nightmares of Stop-And-Go Traffic on the H1which Rail can never prevent - during morning and afternoon rush hours and whenever an accident such as that which occurred on Oct. 31 happens.

For BRT was not the most important aspect of Cayetano's F.A.S.T.

The most important aspect of F.A.S.T. was Traffic Management which would have rid everyone the nightmare experience of Stop-and-Go traffic on the H1. With F.A.S.T., nobody would ever experience sitting for hours in traffic nor H1 becoming a huge parking lot which rail can never prevent except by F.A.S.T.

Yes, those who voted for Caldwell won but they actually lost with Rail instead of winning with F.A.S.T.
on November 7,2012 | 09:48PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
So nice. Santa came early, Obama,Caldwell,Hirono,Hanabusa and Pine. The opponents, left with the Thanksgiving turkeys.
on November 7,2012 | 11:50AM
twitter6 wrote:
Ben is a grouch even on a good day. The man cannot be articulate.
on November 7,2012 | 12:57PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Rail voters may have won but in actuality they all lost.

For in winning, those who voted for Caldwell will continue to have nightmares of Stop-And-Go Traffic on the H1which Rail can never prevent - during morning and afternoon rush hours and whenever an accident such as that which occurred on Oct. 31 happens.

For BRT was not the most important aspect of Cayetano's F.A.S.T.

The most important aspect of F.A.S.T. was Traffic Management which would have rid everyone the nightmare experience of Stop-and-Go traffic on the H1. With F.A.S.T., nobody would ever experience sitting for hours in traffic nor H1 becoming a huge parking lot which rail can never prevent except by F.A.S.T.

Yes, those who voted for Caldwell won but they actually lost with Rail instead of winning with F.A.S.T.
on November 7,2012 | 09:50PM
Wazdat wrote:
wow, Hawaii is screwed.
on November 7,2012 | 01:05AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
All Hawaii taxpayers are Screwed!
on November 7,2012 | 01:24AM
etalavera wrote:
You = 50% 1! LMFAO
on November 7,2012 | 01:40AM
wiliki wrote:
Rail is solidly finance and it's paid for.
on November 7,2012 | 02:22AM
Grimbold wrote:
wiliki, by solid debt.
on November 7,2012 | 04:11AM
etalavera wrote:
Grimbold, the voters have spoken! Shh...
on November 7,2012 | 04:14AM
false wrote:
A whole bunch of us tried to tell the rest of yoiu blind fools that this Rail thing is going to be your biggest nightmare. Now we are going watch you suffer the consequences. Nah, nah,...... nah, nah, .......nnnnnnah. Can't wait to tell you "Told you so." Caldwell is going to be a disaster. 54% of you should foot the bill.
on November 7,2012 | 04:28AM
etalavera wrote:
false, if Cayetano was so good, and his FAST plan so great and effective, and the anti-rail sentiment so strong, then Cayetano & Berg would have won. But that's not the case, now is it?. The voters have spoken! Shh...
on November 7,2012 | 04:42AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
I'll just bide my time and see how things are 4 years from now. Only time will tell.
on November 7,2012 | 05:24AM
Allenk wrote:
We'll just sit back and watch the $$ start to add up as the project progresses.
on November 7,2012 | 05:50AM
Shh wrote:
I agree with you False. Let them find out for themselves that we tried to warn them. This is going to be fun to watch a lot of the Pro-Rail people regret they let this happen. I just wish that the Pro-Rail people would be the ones to pay for Rail and not everyone. Those of us that did not want rail will now be forced once again to pay for this mistake. Sad day for Hawaii.
on November 7,2012 | 07:01AM
hon2255 wrote:
Eta. Then u ride it you pay for it all. With the rest of Hart supporters. Lot of the voters are just nieve and believe all the flyers sent in the mail and tv ads
on November 7,2012 | 07:14AM
etalavera wrote:
hon2255, well you had your chance to kill rail with Ben. Your candidate lost. So you can refuse to ride the rail, but whether you like it or not you'll pay for it. I don't have kids and the dismal public school system is hardly something I want to pay for, however if you don't like it move!
on November 7,2012 | 08:01AM
etalavera wrote:
false is this like your prediction of "rail will fail and cayetano will prevail." That kind of prediction? sheesh
on November 7,2012 | 08:48AM
Grimbold wrote:
etalavera we have to accept the voters. Doesn't mean they are right and does not mean they understand the fiscal consequences. Since 45% pay no taxes , those, and only a small fraction of the others were needed to win.
on November 7,2012 | 04:52PM
Kuniarr wrote:
F.A.S.T was the best thing that could have happened to all Honolulu because F.A.S.T. was going to virtually eliminate Stop-And-Go traffic congestion that bedevils everyone during early and morning rush hours and whenever an accident such as that on October 31 happens.

It is unfortunate that Cayetano made the mistake of not telling the public that F.A.S.T was virtually making it impossible for Stop-And-Go traffic congestion to ever occur again on the H1.
on November 7,2012 | 01:45PM
etalavera wrote:
Could have, would have, should have...
on November 7,2012 | 01:52PM
false wrote:
And your good looking, young, and smart! Right!
on November 7,2012 | 05:24AM
etalavera wrote:
You gotta win to talk trash! Otherwise it's just sad
on November 7,2012 | 05:29AM
false wrote:
We will all be sad one day.
on November 7,2012 | 06:30AM
itoboy wrote:
Sour grapes. Help paddle the canoe or get off. The verdict is in. Live with it.
on November 7,2012 | 07:34AM
false wrote:
Never happen!
on November 7,2012 | 01:27PM
wiliki wrote:
Some people just need to see for themselves. They'll never learn any other way....
on November 7,2012 | 04:29PM
bubbaButt wrote:
Grapes? Nah, how 'bout them apples!!!
on November 7,2012 | 04:51PM
Rapanui00 wrote:
on the back of taxpayers but the fight has just really begun and rail will never be built so dream on!
on November 7,2012 | 07:01AM
hon2255 wrote:
Rail is not paid for. It doesn't even reach the most important destination -UH Manoa. Ansaldo was the wrong company,old technology ,poor track record , this rail will have maintenance cost that will skyrocket. Way way more than a bus system.
on November 7,2012 | 07:11AM
Kuniarr wrote:
wiliki To you, yes. But the reality is No, rail is not "solidly financed nor is it paid for".
on November 7,2012 | 01:40PM
wiliki wrote:
The Feds seem to think so...
on November 7,2012 | 04:30PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. The Feds did not think so based on the Porter Report.
on November 7,2012 | 09:52PM
Grimbold wrote:
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on November 7,2012 | 04:11AM
etalavera wrote:
No the minority is the anti-railers duhh
on November 7,2012 | 04:18AM
pakeheat wrote:
Would you say 46.1% a minority?
on November 7,2012 | 11:47AM
etalavera wrote:
Com
on November 7,2012 | 01:48PM
etalavera wrote:
Compared to 54% who voted for Caldwell, yes 46% is the minority. Unless your math skills are failing you...
on November 7,2012 | 01:53PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Face the facts. Cayetano lost by more than 30,000 votes. Kirk Caldwell and the rail project supporters totally dominated those who spread lies and fear about the project. Tom Berg lost badly, too. Rail will prevail!
on November 7,2012 | 05:43AM
etalavera wrote:
Amen BluesBreaker. Sadly the anti-rail people will probably say this wasn't a vote on rail, like they say the steel-on-steel & HART votes weren't for rail. Cayetano & his pals need to drop the obstructionism and the phony lawsuits and get out of the way of the will of the people.
on November 7,2012 | 05:56AM
Poidogs wrote:
The anti-railers live in a dillusion bubble! Seriously, there must be ergot in the bread in Kailua and Hawaii Kai.
on November 7,2012 | 07:02AM
piimahoe wrote:
Nah only oahu due to the rail being underfunded I already pay high taxes due to the city not allowing their departments to be like the water supply because then they can keep siphoning monies from the city operating budget without accontability
on November 7,2012 | 06:32AM
Workingrl wrote:
Where are the usual early morning trolls???
on November 7,2012 | 01:16AM
bobbob wrote:
Dont worry, the paid shills will probably be out in force later today, earning their last paychecks.
on November 7,2012 | 02:48AM
Kapcity wrote:
What happen to all the paid anti rail bloggers...Bounce Checks???
on November 7,2012 | 03:05AM
etalavera wrote:
Collecting unemployment
on November 7,2012 | 03:08AM
control wrote:
licking their wounds, gearing up for more lawsuits
on November 7,2012 | 04:20AM
etalavera wrote:
That's all they can do! Just sue & draw the process out and waste taxpayer money, and rack up billable hours for their lawyer friends. Look at the H-3! Did they stop the inevitable? No. Just delay and delay and delay.
on November 7,2012 | 04:48AM
hon2255 wrote:
You're very ignorant educate yourself on the project, the design and look of the project. It doesn't fit our Honolulu essence Just a concrete monstrosity we don't need. We needed a system better designed to fit our city and its needs. A. momorail system following H1 out if kapolei would have been better suited not heavy rail!
on November 7,2012 | 07:22AM
etalavera wrote:
The voters have decided! Shh...Ben had a chance to pitch his half-baked alternative FAST = SUCK, more buses more freeways etc. and the voters saw through it! They saw thru Berg pitching mag-lev, then pitched Berg right outta office. Nuff already! Rail is the solution 40 years in the making. No more every 5 years trying to reconsider monorail, at grade, elevated, BRT, rickshaws etc. The voters voted on the candidate, the system, so enough with the obstructionism and either help or get out of the way.
on November 7,2012 | 07:47AM
8082062424 wrote:
37 years total delays can serve a porpose
on November 7,2012 | 09:07AM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
We'll see who has the last laugh.
on November 7,2012 | 05:42AM
etalavera wrote:
Cayetano & Berg laughing...NOT!
on November 7,2012 | 05:50AM
kiragirl wrote:
Did anyone tell you that you stink? If no, I'm telling you. Can smell you thru the Internet!
on November 7,2012 | 08:03AM
etalavera wrote:
Watch out, might bust a Ben Cayetano and sue you! LOL
on November 7,2012 | 08:13AM
itoboy wrote:
Smells like roses to me.
on November 7,2012 | 12:10PM
itoboy wrote:
Weeping.
on November 7,2012 | 07:36AM
etalavera wrote:
3 votes on rail, and pro-rail 3 vs. anti-rail 0. Cayetano it was a good try & good effort, but enjoy your retirement & morning coffees at McDonalds. The people have spoken! AGAIN!
on November 7,2012 | 01:38AM
etalavera wrote:
"Mess with the bull, you get the horns." -Dan Inouye
on November 7,2012 | 04:21AM
piimahoe wrote:
yeah just can't wait till he croaks then lets see who foots the pork which is coming from king dan
on November 7,2012 | 06:35AM
etalavera wrote:
If we don't get the "pork" someone else will get it. Just like before when we were supposed to get rail money, did the money just not get spent? Nopes, went to Atlanta and they said thanks. Might as well fight for every dollar we can get to benefit the residents of our state and island. If we don't get "pork," someone else will.
on November 7,2012 | 08:26AM
what wrote:
So sad that this type of wrong thinking is so popular. 1.5 billion is nothing when you have to spend 4 billion of your own money to get it, and a few more billion in cost overruns, and a hundred million a year from the city budget to pay the electric and maintenance bills. People are so foolish with money, it boggles the mind.
on November 7,2012 | 10:32AM
Shh wrote:
You guys seem to be talking a lot of trash and yet you guys still can't start building the rail again right now. I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch. Maybe you should shut it until the project gets the okay to start again.
on November 7,2012 | 07:06AM
itoboy wrote:
It's just a matter of time. Only 3 counts out of 53 remain; and it's just a matter of doing studies. No problem. Oh look, Santa has brought us a chicken farm!
on November 7,2012 | 07:39AM
8082062424 wrote:
every time they find a native Hawaiian burial site it will be delayed and they are in grave yard central .
on November 7,2012 | 09:22AM
itoboy wrote:
Fine. We'll keep doing what we have to do. I have confidence Kirk will build it the right way. H-3 was built despite all the burial sites. Rail will be the same - at least we can start moving now - one step at a time is just fine. Funny you anti-rail people get such a high destroying something but still remain unable to propose a viable alternative in which people will believe. Pathetic.
on November 7,2012 | 12:15PM
8082062424 wrote:
i do not have the answer but i know rail not it. And sorry i feel Kirk and Ben both would have been weak mayors we would have done better with peter. This city has way bigger problem then just rail. Keep in mind with out uncle Dan H3 still might not be finished. Orders for the freeway were granted in 1960, followed by planning stages. Construction, amid enormous community protest, was begun in the late 1980s, although the road did not open until December 12, 1997. Environmental complaints and legal challenges halted construction at many points. Construction resumed during the late 1980s due to an unprecedented move by U.S. Senator Daniel Inouye, who in 1986 had the freeway exempted from most environmental laws[2] as a rider on a Department of Defense budget bill.[3, I doubt Uncle Dan can pull a move like that now.We have state and federal laws that protect Native Hawaiian burial grounds
on November 7,2012 | 12:33PM
Shh wrote:
Well let's sure hope so because we have that clown as our Mayor now so let's get it right!
on November 7,2012 | 02:18PM
hon2255 wrote:
Eta baby get off the blog already. Shhhhh
on November 7,2012 | 07:23AM
etalavera wrote:
Sad because anti-rail jesus Ben Cayetano got whooped? lmfao
on November 7,2012 | 08:04AM
sleepy wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
on November 7,2012 | 01:44AM
wiliki wrote:
Is this another vote for rail or what? Ben didn't mention his wish to kill rail in his analysis... yet for those who voted for Caldwell, rail is a major factor... Sour grapes?
on November 7,2012 | 02:19AM
etalavera wrote:
Wasn't it Ben who said this election was a referendum on rail? Well the voters have spoken.
on November 7,2012 | 02:51AM
boshio wrote:
Great win for Honolulu. Move forward.
on November 7,2012 | 06:53AM
Workingrl wrote:
Amen. Let's get on with the rail project already.
on November 7,2012 | 07:02AM
romei wrote:
move forward indeed, enough delaying, enough frivolous and costly law suits. move forward already ! progress is envitable. major metropolis cities have major means of transportation - whether it be via subway, train, monorail , etc. its no wonder that Honolulu ranks the worst in traffic congestion. it's seems like the dinosaur ages here, with JUST the bus as means of transportation. that is pitiful. ask anyway who waited for 3 1/2 hours in traffic during this past Halloween or any daily commute time, its quite arduous! all the whining and complaining of costs and what this will cost in the future is futile, because only assumptions are being made. Change is scary for people... why not try something that may offer a solution.
on November 7,2012 | 09:55AM
Dbung wrote:
Yes he did. I said he ran to give the people(?) a voice or whatever.
on November 7,2012 | 07:09AM
couz808 wrote:
Watch, kirk will be the next frank fasi and make rail just as successful as how fasi was for the bus.
on November 7,2012 | 02:20AM
wiliki wrote:
We shouldn't forget that rail is also a legacy of Mufi Hannemann.
on November 7,2012 | 02:32AM
looking4u wrote:
It was Frank Fasi's legacy frist.
on November 7,2012 | 03:58AM
etalavera wrote:
Frank is looking down from heaven screaming "It should've been done already!"
on November 7,2012 | 04:17AM
what wrote:
Please don't speak for Fasi. Fasi could add and do simple math, unlike our current city leaders. When Fasi started TheBus, he did it in a way that didn't wreck the city finances. He was a smart man. He would not support a 5-7 billion dollar rail, he would support a 1 blllion dollar rail.
on November 7,2012 | 10:39AM
etalavera wrote:
Back when we had the original proposal for rail it was around 1 billion in year of expenditure dollars. Factoring in inflation, the cost of living etc, the costs are the same. Gas was only 2.00 couple of years ago.
on November 7,2012 | 11:02AM
what wrote:
You are proving my point that you don't know math. $1 billion dollars back when rail was first proposed, adjusted for inflation, would be $1.5 billion dollars today. You illustrate my point perfectly, city leaders have no idea the numbers they are throwing around. Gas prices were more than $2 a couple years ago, and gas prices do not follow inflation.
on November 7,2012 | 11:54AM
wiliki wrote:
Frank failed to build rail. It's NOT his legacy. Bus is more like it.
on November 7,2012 | 04:20PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
Voting for Caldwell is like voting for Mufi. I particularly didn't like seeing his daughter up on stage ---not mayoral daughter material.
on November 7,2012 | 05:43AM
Poidogs wrote:
LOL…can you please stop teaching. You're doing the students and parents of Hawaiʻi a DISSERVICE.
on November 7,2012 | 07:05AM
etalavera wrote:
That's da kine teachers tax payers are paying for the youth of Hawaii. Awful...
on November 7,2012 | 09:32AM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
Excuse me, but his daughter's behavior reflects the new out-of-touch mayor with his family values. This is the kind of leadership and role model we will be paying for.
on November 7,2012 | 05:27PM
itoboy wrote:
Is this the best you can do? Attack Kirk's daughter? This is why your candidate lost - no credibility whatsoever. Go apply for a teaching job overseas because I would not want you teaching my kids.
on November 7,2012 | 07:41AM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
So it's okay that his daughter attacked Cayetano? Some kind of apology given by the new mayor...don't want him leading our City.
on November 7,2012 | 05:28PM
Shh wrote:
Well I sure hope so because in the end when us taxpayers will have to pay for it...I sure hope the rail will be something that everyone is happy with and not regret.
on November 7,2012 | 07:08AM
Grimbold wrote:
The people will regret to elct Caldwell in time to come. Doubling of property taxes and riding on dirt roads will be the future.
on November 7,2012 | 02:38AM
etalavera wrote:
Heard the world is gonna end in 2012 according to the Mayan calendar too! Lol
on November 7,2012 | 02:51AM
itoboy wrote:
Ha ha ha! Good one. We should lock up all the anti-rail people with the doomsday people and put them on a deserted island.
on November 7,2012 | 07:43AM
etalavera wrote:
Then nothing will get done. Everyone just like lay out the options, complain, sue each other, but nothing will get completed.
on November 7,2012 | 08:15AM
kailuabred wrote:
Hmmm. I wonder what issue the anti-rail loser trolls will pick up on now that they have been rabbit punched? LOL
on November 7,2012 | 02:43AM
etalavera wrote:
They'll say this wasn't a vote for rail lol
on November 7,2012 | 02:56AM
kahuku01 wrote:
etalavera: You're right and the truth of the matter is that this mayor's race wasn't about rail because as Carlisle said, "he felt the project was too far along to be stopped." People haven't forgotten Cayetano's second term as governor when he left office as being labeled as "The Lame Duck." It wasn't a surprise that the election resulted with Caldwell winning by a big margin even if Hawaii is a democratic state. People remembers and the same happened to Lingle. They burnt their bridges and it's difficult to go back and mend it when they wanted to cross it again.
on November 7,2012 | 04:43AM
etalavera wrote:
Amen Kahuku01. I felt like people forgot about Cayetano & Lingle and how they were trying to repaint their stripes, spin their records, attempt to rewrite their history as prior elected leaders. Thankfully the voters never forget!
on November 7,2012 | 04:50AM
Shh wrote:
It just seemed convenient that 19 voting locations that were dominantly Cayetano's voters did not have enough ballots for them to vote. It's sad that elections have resorted to looking so fixed and ugly. There should have been no excuses for there to be no ballots and feel sorry for all the voters that did not have the opportunity to vote because they did not want to wait. Not fair at all.
on November 7,2012 | 07:29AM
Poidogs wrote:
You honestly think 20,000 people got left out? Furthermore, If they were serious enough about voting, they would have stuck around or gone earlier. Itʻs not like there wasnʻt holiday for the sole purpose of voting.
on November 7,2012 | 03:24PM
Kapcity wrote:
BYE CAYETANO....
on November 7,2012 | 03:03AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
The work for Caldwell has not even begun. He still has to make good on his promises to fix the infrastructure of this island; sewers, water, and roads. This, in addition to rail. It will be interesting to see how he does it with 'x' amount of dollars to spend. Also, his promise to restore bus routes will also be needed to be restored. I'm disappointed especially since the unions and PRP conducted a reprehensible, negative campaign. While I wish Caldwell the best to fix our infrastructure, I hope people do not forget his hatchet man, John White.
on November 7,2012 | 03:19AM
Grimbold wrote:
Caldwell fix the roads and infrastructure ? You are dreaming.
on November 7,2012 | 04:07AM
etalavera wrote:
Cayetano & FAST? The dream is over lol
on November 7,2012 | 04:15AM
Poidogs wrote:
Dream? You mean nightmare! Glad I finally woke up and rail is the reality!
on November 7,2012 | 07:07AM
Shh wrote:
Yes, I hope he keeps his word to the people because they have been through enough. I'm looking forward to what changes he will have for Hawaii.
on November 7,2012 | 07:31AM
false wrote:
SAVE YOUR MONEY! Tax and fee increases will be part of our future. Rail funding will haunt us for generations.
on November 7,2012 | 03:55AM
etalavera wrote:
The voters have spoken! Shh...
on November 7,2012 | 04:03AM
false wrote:
Yeah, and all their kids are going to foot this bill. Congratulations keiki, you just got stuck with it.
on November 7,2012 | 04:31AM
etalavera wrote:
Please, if people believed Cayetano's arguments (the same ones CivilBeat's fact checks ripped apart) he would've gotten elected. So shh...enuff already! Pau!
on November 7,2012 | 04:53AM
false wrote:
We'll see how quiet you are in the years to come when you register your car at twice the crazy amount it's already at. That won't be the only fee/tax you're going to pay for this expensive eye sore. Congratulations Caldwell, now go pay all those who played with you. Show me your glass house.
on November 7,2012 | 05:22AM
etalavera wrote:
Do you need tissue for those tears?
on November 7,2012 | 05:25AM
false wrote:
I need towels for all of us.
on November 7,2012 | 06:32AM
Dbung wrote:
Really? it will go up whether we have rail or not. That's the trend.
on November 7,2012 | 07:10AM
false wrote:
Obviously it will go up. The AMOUNT everything will go up is the issue. It will be like water rates. They say to cover expenses. Guess what? It's really to force people to conserve more to enable the 11,000 homes to have water on the plains. There is only so much water on this island and increasing rates 75% and more is the only way they can squeeze more "blood from this turnip".Rail will require a huge financial commitment from the taxpayers as we will all find out in the years to come. Caldwell saying he'll do it right doesn't mean anything coming from someone who may not have been mayor when the archaeological studies were modified, but he knew what was going on. Circumvent the law until you get caught. There's plenty money out there. Politicians, you gotta love them.
on November 7,2012 | 06:54PM
itoboy wrote:
False: Get real. Who would have paid for Cayetano's double-decker Nimitz highway half-baked project? Cayetano didn't even have a plan. Finding alternative ways of transportation is the future. Whether it be rail, FAST, or something else, somebody has to pay. So stop making these false statements. It's guys like you that have no credibility and no ability to think beyond today that ultimately sunk Cayetano, who I really liked and campaigned for during both of his runs for Gov. It's really too bad he got associated with people like you.
on November 7,2012 | 08:01AM
what wrote:
Do you know how to add and compare numbers? A project like double decking Nimitz is cheap and will do more to relieve traffic congestion.
on November 7,2012 | 10:45AM
itoboy wrote:
what - do you know how to think and use your head? Nimitz double decker is cheap? OK, show me the 1.5 Billion for double decking Nimitz? At least with Rail, some of the maintenance will be offset by the fares people will pay to ride it. Are people willing to pay tolls to drive on the double decker? And don't forget, the Middle Street merge is just one problem. What about H-1/H-2 merge?
on November 7,2012 | 12:21PM
what wrote:
Last time I checked a billion is a lot less than 5-7 billion. And Nimitz will be used by a huge majority of the population (over 70%?), whereas rail, 5-7%. A concrete highway has negligible maintenance costs, compared to the absolutely huge costs of operating a rail. You mention the H-2 merge, I give you the the project of extending H-3 across Ford Island to Kapolei. These solutions are cheaper and have hugely greater benefit to our community than rail. Rail should be downsized to at least half its size.
on November 7,2012 | 12:58PM
itoboy wrote:
Extend H-3 across Ford Island? What???? Concrete highway has negligible costs? So easy, yeah? Just snap your fingers, extend H-3 over Ford Island, build Nimitz double decker, and fix all the potholes because it's negligible costs . . . . With what funding? Do you think everybody will agree with you? Nobody is going to file a lawsuit or complain about visual blight. You have absolutely no sense of reality. I don't know what to say, except WHAT????
on November 7,2012 | 01:22PM
etalavera wrote:
what still thinks FAST still get chance. If SUCK oops I mean FAST was so effective and better Cayetano would have won right? Oh wait Cayetano didn't win?! LMFAO
on November 7,2012 | 01:58PM
what wrote:
Yes, double decking and building bridges have all been proposed as viable solutions to traffic. You are the one disconnected from reality if you think a monstrous 20 mile elevated rail is less blight than a double decked highway and a bridge across Ford Island.
on November 7,2012 | 04:53PM
bobbob wrote:
What: What??? Whos to say that you cannot build rail and "double deck nimitz" if it really is viable. you act as if the two are mutually exclusive.
on November 7,2012 | 10:25PM
control wrote:
The Silent Majority, the 99%, the REAL 'we the people', have spoken loud and clear via the only poll that counts. Lingle, Berg, Djou, Hemmings, CayetaNO, Mittens, all got their okoles kicked. LOL
on November 7,2012 | 04:19AM
etalavera wrote:
Preach Control Preach!
on November 7,2012 | 04:21AM
false wrote:
Our President won. That's the best win of the night. Maybe now Congress will let him make a difference. Tammy Duckworth did well in Illinois too. See how it works. Go to where the action is and grow up, then come home and help us rise.
on November 7,2012 | 04:33AM
itoboy wrote:
There is rail where the action is.
on November 7,2012 | 07:48AM
kainalu wrote:
Exactly. Give us voters some credit instead of suggesting we're ignorant because we didn't vote for you.
on November 7,2012 | 07:46AM
control wrote:
Did anyone else catch the SA's significant gaff? After the first results were out, they had CayetaNO in the lead.
on November 7,2012 | 04:24AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Is it too much to hope that the pro and anti rail paid bloggers in this forum will now give it a rest? Or will there still be enough spinning to make us all dizzy?

Silly question, huh?


on November 7,2012 | 04:50AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
I'm going to give it a rest. By the way, you are one of my favorite commenters.
on November 7,2012 | 05:15AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Ditto Kalaheo1, but I'm staying away from the issue too. I had a very hard time making up my mind until I actually voted, but now that the people spoke, it's time for everyone to suck it up and move forward.
on November 7,2012 | 10:10AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
I agree. While I still think rail project is the dumbest thing I have ever seen, this time, the people of Oahu got a real vote on whether they wanted it or not... and they apparently do want it.

I hope it works out, and hope they don't go nuts with the power of PLDC, and hope they can get more responsible with they way they pass out contracts and money, but I'm not particularly optimistic.

Anyway, I always appreciate your thoughtful comments. I'll be reading, even if I won't be writing nearly as much.
on November 7,2012 | 11:48AM
itoboy wrote:
At least you recognize and have the honesty to admit that a majority of the voters want the rail project. We won't always agree, but at least your post makes sense. No comment on PLDC, though.
on November 7,2012 | 01:24PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Easy for you guys who do not pay property taxes in Oahu to say "suck it up and move forward".
on November 7,2012 | 09:54PM
Giligan wrote:
You can call me sour grapes, but in 2019 when we find out how many people will actually ride the rail, and we are paying through our nose, I will again make a call to dock union members pay.
on November 7,2012 | 05:09AM
etalavera wrote:
Giligan/sour grapes the voters have spoken! Shh...
on November 7,2012 | 05:11AM
Shh wrote:
Wow that is a good idea! Their checks should be docked.
on November 7,2012 | 07:32AM
itoboy wrote:
To Giligan: You are SOUR GRAPES. Get over it.
on November 7,2012 | 07:49AM
myviewofthings wrote:
LMFAO!!!!!!!! WOW where are all those anti rail trolls this morning? Ouch this loss must hurt. and you all were sooo sure your leader Ben Cayabunghole was gonna win. bu hu hu.......
on November 7,2012 | 05:18AM
etalavera wrote:
Caldwell should've brought lube lol
on November 7,2012 | 05:22AM
hon2255 wrote:
Eta better get use fo raised property taxes , vehicle taxes. For this and that to pay for the existence of this rail as the ridership and fare cost will not pay for this Blunder. Take some accounting courses.
on November 7,2012 | 07:29AM
etalavera wrote:
You can talk when an anti-rail candidate has been elected mayor. Panos = No. Cayetno = No. Berg = No.
on November 7,2012 | 08:06AM
itoboy wrote:
Sam Aiona = No.
on November 7,2012 | 12:22PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Stay classy pro-railers.
on November 7,2012 | 08:07AM
Poidogs wrote:
"Donʻt be shady, be a lady" :)
on November 7,2012 | 03:29PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Thank you Ben for being the sole voice among the candidates for fiscal responsibility. You went up against some powerful people and some (P)retty (R)otten (P)eople. This time around bad triumphed over good. PRP, Nestor Garcia, and the unions won. I wish the best for Kirk Caldwell as he has to live up to his promises of going forward with rail as well as addressing our debilitating infrastructure problems. He's also made a promise to restore bus routes. I have a feeling Oahu taxpayers are in for several increases. The people have spoken. Let's see how things are 4 years down the line.
on November 7,2012 | 05:23AM
piimahoe wrote:
I promise you this and promise you that but ultimately he caldwell does not have the final say it still has to pass through the city council then he will come back to the public and say well I tried but they shot me down now drop your pants and get ready for unprecedented tax increases to help make the rail solvent. remember math is still math and I did not see one example of it coming out on the plus side just promises and predictions of what may be the future out look on tax monies coming in
on November 7,2012 | 06:45AM
itoboy wrote:
Notice the pro-rail people picked up a vote with Kymberly Pine. Rail supporter Carol Fukunaga also won. Big win for RAIL! Both the mayor and council are now pro-rail. The 1/2 percent GET and the Federal Funding will pay for rail.
on November 7,2012 | 07:53AM
etalavera wrote:
Did any anti-rail candidate win re-election?
on November 7,2012 | 09:03AM
itoboy wrote:
Not that I know of. Maybe should tell pakeheat, false, what, shh, and dedicatedteacher to run 4 years from now.
on November 7,2012 | 12:25PM
Bdpapa wrote:
Time to move on, the people of Honolulu have made their decision.
on November 7,2012 | 05:33AM
jomama wrote:
I agree. Move on, or move.
on November 7,2012 | 06:36AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
are you kidding PRP has made the decision - the battle has only really just begun. The courts will ultimately stop the rail!
on November 7,2012 | 07:03AM
etalavera wrote:
Like the H3, the only thing courts will affect is the total cost. That's the only thing anti-railers can do, which is sue and whine but can't get their candidate elected and can't provide solutions. Rail is going to be built. Stop the obstructionism and either help out or get out of the way!
on November 7,2012 | 07:50AM
Bdpapa wrote:
Every time something don't go someone's way the forst thing they say is "sue. This elction was a defacto election on rail or no rail. Someone was gonna win and someone was gonna lose. The majority chose rail. Get over it!
on November 7,2012 | 08:51AM
etalavera wrote:
That's exactly why we're in the position we're in now. No like rail? Sue. Atlanta says thank you for the federal money. What about BRT? Okay yeah we like try BRT! Sue. Lawyers say thank you to Cliff Slater and laugh all the way to the bank. Now what about rail? Sue... 'Nuff already!
on November 7,2012 | 09:20AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Eh, Election Pau! Okay Kirk won, its up to the electorate to make sure he does what he said he would do. Ben - gave it his best shot, hard to win as a one issue candidate, especially when PRP is perpetually pounding you. PRP - the king maker. I support rail, but the fact that a special interest group could pour in so much money into a race makes me fear for our democracy. Its not supposed to be like this, and its not just PRP, its other special interest groups both in and outside of Hawaii like the US Chamber, that worry me. Rail - the big winner. Berg went down (more than likely because of his antics than anything else), and Fukunaga won. The City Council is now solidly pro-rail. Office of Elections - LOSER. Running out of ballots! Are you kidding me? You guys made us look like some third world country trying to run their first election. Hey at least the election on the Big Island went off okay. Hawaii GOP - where the heck do you guys go from here? Lingle couldn't even get past the 40% mark. Djou lost ot Hanabusa (again) and you guys couldn't even field a credible candidate to run against Gabbard. Then you lose more seats in the State House and once again Sam Sloan is a caucus of one in the State Senate. Who you going to run against Abercrombie in two years? Duke Aiona? How many more times is Djou going to run against Hanabusa? Man you guys keep talking about a more balanced political system, but your bench is empty and you have no one to blame but yourselves for the poor candidate recruitment over the years.
on November 7,2012 | 05:36AM
goodday wrote:
i don't think PRP did a good job of making ben look bad. I think his fast plan really hurt him.
on November 7,2012 | 05:55AM
etalavera wrote:
Once Ben was pressed for details, it all fell apart. Voters saw that FAST = SUCK, and he couldn't convice Carlisle supporters to join him. And all PRP did was remind voters about Ben's history, and they didn't allow Ben to try and spin his record and repaint his stripes.
on November 7,2012 | 06:02AM
Poidogs wrote:
Yup, with FAST we were F*#%ED! LOL
on November 7,2012 | 03:34PM
leoscott wrote:
The PEOPLE have spoken once again they want the rail to proceed so I hope the anti-rail people will finally give it a rest!
on November 7,2012 | 05:48AM
etalavera wrote:
Amen! Drop the obstructionism & the phony lawsuits! Give the voters what they want!
on November 7,2012 | 05:51AM
UhhDuhh wrote:
Another steak in the heart of my stomach as I enjoy my victory breakfast. Signed, Kirk Caldwell.
on November 7,2012 | 06:06AM
JWesley wrote:
No honorable man would feel good about this kind of victory.
on November 7,2012 | 08:32AM
UhhDuhh wrote:
There is no honor in politics. This a just cynical reference to Malama Ka Aina's daily rant.
on November 7,2012 | 08:52AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
So is Mufi going to be Kirk's city managing director??
on November 7,2012 | 06:10AM
Hodad wrote:
No, but there was a good chance Ed Case would have been Cayetano's MD.
on November 7,2012 | 01:34PM
kainalu wrote:
Respect the people's choice, Ben. How dare you insinuate the voters are ignorant simply because they didn't vote for you. You lost because you were a one-issue candidate, and there's more to being Mayor than stopping progress. You lost because you are Ben, Cayetano!
on November 7,2012 | 06:13AM
leoscott wrote:
Exactly, please don't blame anyone for your lost. Take respondibility for your own actions.
on November 7,2012 | 06:31AM
romei wrote:
AGREED!!!!!
on November 7,2012 | 07:20AM
islandsun wrote:
Developers and union bosses have won for now. And sellout locals and low educated westsiders have helped to ruin the aina for good.
on November 7,2012 | 06:14AM
piimahoe wrote:
amen brother amen oh look theres the goose but where are the golden eggs man balut again
on November 7,2012 | 06:48AM
bluemoki wrote:
There were approx. 289,000 votes cast in a city of over 900,000. WTH? Surely there are more registered voters than that in this city. Where were they?
on November 7,2012 | 06:33AM
MakaniKai wrote:
Today is the day to return to the Monarchy! When will we get the Kanaka to represent the Nei? And not……………..well you know. The people cheering are the consumers (I like get freebies) and not the providers. Seriously the Monarchy tops what we currently have, unbelievable! Trask sisters where are you? And no, the people have not spoken, the uneducated have. Aloha.
on November 7,2012 | 06:36AM
piimahoe wrote:
no just you from hiding behind this electronic mail
on November 7,2012 | 06:39AM
McCully wrote:
In four years, I hope the same people who supported Caldwell will say the positive words today when their wallets look like a donut.
on November 7,2012 | 06:47AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
no kidding but the good news rail will never be built - the courts will stop it permanently!
on November 7,2012 | 07:04AM
etalavera wrote:
Did the courts stop H3? No. All it did was delay it & raise costs. Hypothetically speaking, if rail was cancelled, would FAST replace it? No. Even if FAST was implemented, would it have funding after paying off the cost of contractor lawsuits? No. So back to square one: choke traffic with no solution.
on November 7,2012 | 01:35PM
Shh wrote:
Me too! I think we should save all of these comments so we can reveal it 4 years from now.
on November 7,2012 | 07:35AM
romei wrote:
81 and two terms- yup go back to RETIREMENT and enjoy the remainder of your golden years.. IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE, IT'S TIME FOR PROGRESS - OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE SPOKE - ....
on November 7,2012 | 06:56AM
hnlsbbs wrote:
The DEMISE of our city has begun! Chapter 7, Chapter 11, Chapter 13 -what BANKRUPTY CHAPTER will the City of Honolulu file when the reality of not being able to afford the rail comes to fruition? Kirk does not care - he will be out of office by then!
on November 7,2012 | 07:03AM
Shh wrote:
Yup the blame will fall on whoever ends up as Mayor at that time.
on November 7,2012 | 07:39AM
itoboy wrote:
You forgot the world is ending December 11, 2012 . . . . Is this the best you got? Maybe you should move elsewhere if you think the demise of our city has begun. Get real.
on November 7,2012 | 07:56AM
f206 wrote:
Ok, here's the deal If you think the state is in such a bad way and your taxes are going to go up in the future and you don't like it. Move to another state. If you don't like Obama getting re-elected and America's heading for disaster, move to another country. That's your right!!
on November 7,2012 | 07:04AM
oxtail01 wrote:
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on November 7,2012 | 07:20AM
gsc wrote:
oxtail01, Ai Kae !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on November 7,2012 | 08:41AM
kgolfinghawaii wrote:
He's a traitor to his constituents? Really? So you think being in the other party is traitorous?
on November 7,2012 | 11:52AM
itoboy wrote:
Nope. You anti-rail people are running out of cards to play. Your lawsuits just mean a little more delays, but it will be built. Of the 53 counts in the federal lawsuit, only 3 survive. The 3 that survive simply call for more studies, which is no problem.
on November 7,2012 | 07:26AM
Shh wrote:
The whole point is that there should not have been even 1 count before they even started the project. They already screwed up right at the beginning and I'm afraid to find out how many more mistakes and rules they are going to break by the time the project is complete. How badly is Hawaii going to have to pay for the mistakes the city is going to make?
on November 7,2012 | 07:45AM
etalavera wrote:
The problems are manini. Small kine. All the lawsuits are going to do is drive up costs. The people have spoken! Cayetano should just drop the lawsuit, end the obstructionism, and retire! Rail is going to be built whether you like it or not! All the lawsuits are doing is haggling over the price & delivery date.
on November 7,2012 | 08:09AM
Shh wrote:
Glad you feel the problems are manini because it costs us an arm and leg everyday the project is delayed and the way things are going the 3 manini problems sure looks bigger than you describe. We all are in a tight spot now with the project dangling the way it is. The mistake just gets bigger and bigger! I know I will not be able to afford Rail when it is done.
on November 7,2012 | 10:08AM
etalavera wrote:
How many projects of this magnitude have been completed without at least one lawsuit? Are you telling me Ben's FAST plan would have had federal funding, on budget tapping no contingency fund, no delays, no lawsuits, no iwi? If that was the case, Ben Cayetano would have been elected
on November 7,2012 | 10:24AM
Shh wrote:
That's what I'm saying! I'm sure Ben would have been smart enough to follow the rules and make sure he checked that there were no iwi's first before starting the project. If you ask me, I would have felt sorry if Ben did win because he would have to try to clean up that big mess. I guess it is better that Caldwell won. Let him figure out how to fix this mess. I'm hoping he can do this in a timely manner and able to build a rail system that everyone is happy with.
on November 7,2012 | 11:25AM
etalavera wrote:
If he's digging underpasses at key intersections, how would he avoid iwi? Can't reroute the existing road. Anyways besides the point as Cayetano LOST!
on November 7,2012 | 01:31PM
Shh wrote:
Next time the city should not start a project without checking to make sure they are following the rules and checking to make sure that the route has no iwi and receive the go ahead to start. Ben does not need to worry if there are iwis on his route now, Caldwell needs to worry because the city wanted to jump the gun and start without doing it first. So we can't help it that they are being sued for not following rules. The taxpayers would appreciate it if they could complete the job by following rules and without having us pay for their mistakes. Thank you!
on November 7,2012 | 02:16PM
itoboy wrote:
Manini or not - anti-railers would sue no matter what to stop the project. It's your only option now - sue, sue, sue. And you wonder why there are cost overruns. Why can't you just accept defeat and be part of the solution rather than creating problems.
on November 7,2012 | 12:30PM
Shh wrote:
I think you got it wrong. You obviously don't know what you are talking about because I may have not been down for the ideas they had in place for rail but I am not the person suing and hope there is a better solution for what they have in mind for rail because it really is not going to help with the traffic like you pro-railers are hoping it will do. I'm afraid that it is going to be a big mistake and big disappointment to the pro-railers. We anti-railers know this and are hoping that since Caldwell has won that he will see this as well and come up with a plan that will really works instead of just trying to build rail just to receive the money and give it to mainland contractors and others that he may have deals with. The city should already have the plans right?! You guys started the project so finish it up!
on November 7,2012 | 02:04PM
itoboy wrote:
No problem. We will finish it - just wish others can just accept the decision of the electorate and stop with the lawsuits so we can finish it sooner with less cost overruns.
on November 7,2012 | 03:47PM
BTO wrote:
Who is in for rail --please vote: Dan Inouye - yes, Former Gov Ariyoshi - Yes, Former Mayor - Mufi Hanneman - Yes, Former Mayor Marine - Frank Fasi - Yes, Gov Abercrombie - Well, okay... I guess I have to play along, Former Gov Waihee - Yes, Ann Kobayashi - Yes, Kirk Caldwell - Yes, Tulsi Gabbard ??, Mazie Hirono & Coleen Hanabusa - If Dan says yes, that is our answer, All city council members who are democrats - I guess so, we have to play or risk political suicide, Construction industry - yes, Unions - yes, Barak Obama -yes, yes, yes but has to run near Punahou School, how much do you need, I'll get it, Linda Lingle - Yes, Sen Dan Akaka - Yes, Bishop Estate - yes, all aboard, project bonds for sale for issue in December, maturing in 2016!!
on November 7,2012 | 10:23AM
Anonymous wrote:
Ben said "This is my last election. I'm too damn old to run anymore, frankly." He was already too old to run for this one. Seems like all the pro railers held together. No CayetaNO
on November 7,2012 | 07:29AM
2_centz wrote:
From the primary election, peter c's voters voted for Kirk. in the next 15 years. the generation will change some and we will know then if they've made the right decision on voting for Kirk. Only the contractors and the workers benefit from rail by jobs created. I hope the upkeep will not kill the people of Honolulu with higher taxes. Now we have to wait to see if Inouye comes through with his federal money coming into Honolulu for rail. May God Bless Us and Honolulu we going need it.
on November 7,2012 | 07:38AM
E_Ogawa wrote:
For all of the people who wrote, with whom I disagreed, that this would be a referendum on rail, well, you got your wish. And lost.
on November 7,2012 | 07:38AM
kiragirl wrote:
It is not so much about who won but how the game was played. If you feel that PRP played fairly and honestly, then you are one of the voters who are easily persuaded.
on November 7,2012 | 08:13AM
E_Ogawa wrote:
Then you must have been one of those that agreed that this was a referendum vote on rail, and I have always disagreed with that comment. I was not pursuaded in any way by PRP, because I knew they were dirty to begin with. Do you even understand what my original comment mean?
on November 7,2012 | 09:01AM
etalavera wrote:
Nope of course she didn't! Silly anti-railers. I'm old enough to remember Ben Cayetano as governor, so I didn't need PRP to tell me about his record. I was like you, and PRP didn't swing my vote at all. Compare rail with FAST, Caldwell & Cayetano, and voted. Contrary to popular belief, money can't buy elections!
on November 7,2012 | 10:29AM
etalavera wrote:
Kiragirl you want some cheese with that whine?
on November 7,2012 | 02:01PM
ready2go wrote:
Great run Ben! You have the courage of a Man! Hope we can attract young leaders like you in the future to run for public office.
on November 7,2012 | 07:38AM
romei wrote:
"young" ???
on November 7,2012 | 07:46AM
Bdpapa wrote:
More like dedicated. Didn't vote for Ben, but I do admire his tenacity and willingness to fight for a cause he believes in.
on November 7,2012 | 08:53AM
itoboy wrote:
Same here - didn't vote for the guy - but I respect the guts he had. It forced me to re-examine my position on rail, which made me learn more about rail and the transportation issue. Sorry to tarnish his perfect election record.
on November 7,2012 | 12:34PM
itoboy wrote:
I actually thought he was a great governor. I just wish he had come up with a better plan early on instead of running on a kill rail platform without any alternative.
on November 7,2012 | 12:32PM
bender wrote:
When Inouye says "work together" what he really means is "do it my way or take the highway".
on November 7,2012 | 07:42AM
oxtail01 wrote:
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on November 7,2012 | 12:33PM
etalavera wrote:
Ben: "I think Inouye is out of touch. Should have coffee with the people in McDonalds." Inouye: "Enjoy your coffee along with your retirement. I'm still getting stuff done, you know, since I'm US Senator and all."
on November 7,2012 | 01:19PM
itoboy wrote:
Ha ha ha! Good one. Anti-rail people have always relied on their doomsday predictions - it's all they have.
on November 7,2012 | 07:44AM
kiragirl wrote:
Pro-railers had 'for the future' instead of giving facts about how rail will benefit us!
on November 7,2012 | 08:15AM
etalavera wrote:
They gave you the facts. If you no like believe, then fine. You sided with Ben, you bought his stats, calling the HART people liars. Then your anti-rail messiah presented his alternative and it fell flat on its face because people saw it as a sham. Then election time came and he lost. 'Nuff already.
on November 7,2012 | 09:23AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I wouldn't equate Ben's defeat with a guarantee rail will now go forward smoothly. Aside from the current court issues (which I don't think will stop rail) there is the thorny issue of what happens if the Federal money doesn't come through which is a possibility given national budget issues and potential riffs coming from the iwi kupna problems and cost control matters too. Electing Kirk means getting a pro-rail guy to push the project but the obstacles that exist will not magically disappear. And, of course, we anti-rail will never give up either :)
on November 7,2012 | 10:58AM
Allenk wrote:
Ben's FAST plan may not have had all of the answers, but at least it was not pushed through by short sighted planning and negligence on the part of how to handle burial site excavations. PRP's involvement only makes the whole election look even more underhanded.
on November 7,2012 | 11:19AM
bender wrote:
If Caldwell is to work 24/7 serving the city I suggest a good starting point would be to recover the $300 million fpr sewer repairs that was raided.. Those repairs need to be done sooner rather than later. Oh, I forgot, HART is already spedning it.
on November 7,2012 | 07:54AM
Hodad wrote:
The only person who reaided sewer funds was Jeremy Harris. I guess the facts don't matter. There is NO connection between sewer revenues and expenditures and rail. NONE.
on November 7,2012 | 01:37PM
haleiwalad1 wrote:
Hey, where's all the 'In Ben I trust' guys now. Like I've said time and time, again. One-issue polititians either need to hush-up or start addressing the 'big picture'. Life in Hawaii is certainly more complicated than Ben would have you believe.
on November 7,2012 | 07:54AM
gsc wrote:
haleiwalad1, Ai Kae !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on November 7,2012 | 08:39AM
etalavera wrote:
Maybe they're with Ben, enjoying retirement at McDonalds drinking coffee together?
on November 7,2012 | 09:08AM
mcc wrote:
PRP bought the vote and wasted money against Cayetano. The rail is going away the same way the Super Ferry went. Rush, rush, rush. Not following the law. Wast of taxpayers money.
on November 7,2012 | 08:05AM
Eagle156 wrote:
We will all be watching closely Caldwell's promise to "build rail better". Anything more than window dressing will require revising the existing EIS causing more costly delays that will empty the contingency fund and plunge our city into bankruptcy.
on November 7,2012 | 08:13AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I'll be curious to see exactly what Kirk's "rail done right" entails. The name suggest that so far rail has not been done right. I'd agree with that. I guess there will be a knock on the door at Honolulu Hale and when Kirk answers, a guy will say, "Hi Kirk, I'm from the PRP and here's the bill for our services. This is how rail will be done."
on November 7,2012 | 10:47AM
etalavera wrote:
Hi I'm Ben Cayetano. Rail sucks. Vote for me. My solution? Umm...well...here's umm...oh I got it, it's called FAST. See? Much better than rail. WHAT A JOKE. Now that he loses & his half-recycled plan is permanently retired, he still wants to keep up his lawsuit? Sounds like the kid on the basketball court who lost and cries to his mommy.
on November 7,2012 | 01:16PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Shhh...adults are talking... ssh..
on November 7,2012 | 05:58PM
nalogirl wrote:
Big money won this election Hawaii. After voting for 30 years, I'm done, I will not be voting again. My voting placevoting machine was broken. i had to put my ballot in an unsecured box with no explaination, this has never happened before, I would usually have to wait until it was fixed. also, not having nough ballots in the areas that were pro-Cayetano seems fishy to me. Weel PRP, your tactics worked, i hope Caldweel realizes that almost half of the population does not want rail. I hope Caldwell will not dismiss everyone that is opposed like Carlise has done. Anyway, good luck Hawaii, we are going to need it.
on November 7,2012 | 08:29AM