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Hanabusa, Djou talk about parties' differences

In the last debate before the election, the House candidates talk about values

By Derrick DePledge

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LAST UPDATED: 01:36 a.m. HST, Oct 26, 2012


U.S. Rep. Colleen Hana­busa said Thursday that success in Congress depends on how well you get along with your colleagues, but reflecting your political party's values is also important. Former U.S. Rep. Charles Djou said he would work closer to the political center than the extremes.

Hanabusa, a Democrat, and Djou, a Republican, appeared in a one-hour debate for urban Hono­lulu's 1st Congressional District on PBS Hawaii, their last before the election next month.

The forum, moderated by Leslie Wilcox, president and chief executive officer at PBS Hawaii, dwelled mainly on the candidates' political philosophies and how they would fit within a partisan 435-member House now controlled by Republicans.

"Philosophically, there is a difference between being a Demo­crat and a Republican," Hana­busa said. "And we see it very clearly now. That's the difference. It's the core values of what makes a Demo­crat and, I believe, the core values of what makes a Republican. We are parties. We are political parties for a specific purpose."

Djou blamed both political parties for the gridlock in Congress.

"The American people and the people of Hawaii are looking at Congress today and saying, ‘You guys aren't getting anything done,'" he said. "This is a corrosive, poisonous atmosphere over in Washington, D.C. And I think a large part of it is because of a lack of bipartisanship, a failure in the center, and for both parties — Republicans and Demo­crats — (that) have become captured by the hyper-partisan extremes.

"And everything is seen from a hyper-partisan vantage point here."

Djou said that Native Hawaiian federal recognition has not passed in Congress because there was no Republican in the state's congressional delegation to explain to Republican opponents why the issue is important to Hawaii. But Hana­busa said that U.S. Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, a senior lawmaker who supports Native Hawaiian recognition, has said that other Republicans do not "understand the indigenous peoples' rights." She said she doubts Djou alone would be able to advance the bill in the House.

Both Hanabusa and Djou said the federal government should reimburse Hawaii and other states and territories for the cost of providing medical care, education and other services to Pacific migrants. Hawaii has estimated that the Compact of Free Association between the United States and Micronesia, the Marshall Islands and Palau costs the state more than $100 million a year.

The U.S., which engaged in Cold War-era nuclear testing in the Pacific, agreed to provide economic assistance to Pacific islanders and allow migration in return for continued military access to the region.

"We need to get reimbursement for the states," Hana­busa said.

Djou suggested that the U.S. should also consider making foreign aid payments to Micronesia rather than waiting until the burden of migration reaches the United States.

"Over the long term, what I would like to see the United States do is revise and amend this Compact of Free Association," he said. "We should still assist the people in the Republic of Micronesia, but the better way to do it is instead of asking the taxpayers of Hawaii to provide the social services for Micronesian citizens, let's have the United States government make a foreign aid payment to the government of Micronesia, and let the government of Micronesia take care of their own citizens.

"That's the right way to do it."






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MalamaKaAina wrote:
Anybody but Hanabusa!
on October 26,2012 | 01:35AM
iansuen wrote:
Didn't you say the exact same thing yesterday? Why do you always do this?
on October 26,2012 | 03:55AM
Giligan wrote:
Anybody but Hanabusa!
on October 26,2012 | 05:55AM
iansuen wrote:
Hilarious. I encourage you to keep it up. It's great humor to start the day.
on October 26,2012 | 06:46AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Anybody but Hanabusa!
on October 26,2012 | 08:22AM
wiliki wrote:
Djou is not an effective debater. Hanabusa won.
on October 26,2012 | 04:38PM
HD36 wrote:
They all lie.
on October 26,2012 | 05:46PM
HD36 wrote:
They all lie!
on October 26,2012 | 05:46PM
wondermn1 wrote:
Totally agree, Djou is the way to Go for Honolulu's future
on October 26,2012 | 10:14AM
HD36 wrote:
Politiicians just want to get elected.
on October 26,2012 | 05:45PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Nobody can beat MK to the punch line. He gets up so early he wakes up the roosters to remind them to crow.
on October 26,2012 | 06:54AM
soundofreason wrote:
Because he feels the SAME way......everyday......."always".
on October 26,2012 | 07:20AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
ANYBODY BUT HANABUSA!!!
on October 26,2012 | 05:19PM
allie wrote:
true
on October 26,2012 | 12:37PM
HD36 wrote:
False, thy're all full of sh..
on October 26,2012 | 05:46PM
Admirable wrote:
Colleen Hanabusa is a smart and effective legislator! She represents the people of Hawaii with skill, experience and dedication. Djou doesn't have a clue. When he was in office he ignored constituents and was ignorant of many of the issues that are important to the people of Hawaii. He followed Tea Party dogma and doctrine. He was not a moderate but a hard line obstructionist Tea Party republican.
on October 27,2012 | 01:49PM
CloudForest wrote:
The one party democratic absolute rule of Hawaii has come full cycle and is now so corrupt as to be beyond description. It is time for a change, in fact time for many many changes, so Vote Djou !!! Now is the time to start up the path to redemption and to get rid of the endemic and stale party that is enslaving us with endless regulations, taxes and graft - VOTE REPUBLICAN !!!!
on October 26,2012 | 03:11AM
allie wrote:
Hanabooboo is really weak as a candidate and she has problems with integrity. Djou is the much better candidate
on October 26,2012 | 06:24AM
MakaniKai wrote:
Hanabooboo - now that is funny!
on October 26,2012 | 07:47AM
localguy wrote:
Then you will love Hana ba booza. Yes, part of the partisan problem of congress, everything is gridlock except motions to increase the pay and benefits of congress and the senate. I would set an 8 year term limit for all who work for the government in the senate or congress. Serve a maximum combination of 8 years and out you go. Just like changing a full diaper when it smells, get a fresh start.
on October 26,2012 | 10:07AM
fka wrote:
I disagree,Hanabusa is a strong candidate that has fought hard for the middle class. If you belong in the middle class,and I believe most of you are,it will only be wise to vote for the democractic candidate.Hanabusa is a member of the Arms Service and Natural Resouces Committee. That says something for a House of Representative newcomer.VOTE HANABUSA!
on October 26,2012 | 11:12AM
false wrote:
I won't do you right off, but for example?
on October 26,2012 | 11:49AM
wiliki wrote:
She's sensitive to the needs of our servicemen. Ever notice how tough she can be with Djou who's an officer.
on October 26,2012 | 04:40PM
RetiredUSMC wrote:
I always wondered way so many posts were Pro-Republican. Then it hit me, all the Democrats were at work! Did not have time to sit around and post the Party line!
on October 26,2012 | 03:35AM
Kawipoo wrote:
No the democrats were out getting food stamps and freebees!
on October 26,2012 | 04:13AM
aomohoa wrote:
I think that's pretty funny Kawipoo, even if it's no too nice:)
on October 26,2012 | 09:39AM
Mana07 wrote:
All of the Dems at work?...I'm sorry to see that a fellow military retiree has fallen victim to the liberal brainwashing. God be with you brother.
on October 26,2012 | 05:02AM
Pacej001 wrote:
You might want to check Hanabusa's position on military benefits. I did and, for currently serving military, it ain't pretty. She's in favor of the benefit cuts currently being considered by the Obama administration. No military person, active or retired should vote for her.
on October 26,2012 | 08:33AM
localguy wrote:
Hanababooza wants to cut on everyone else but give herself and other bureaucrats more pay and bennies for all the hard work they do. Hello, you wanted the job now get to work and quit whining. Better yet, find a new job as you are not qualified for this one.
on October 26,2012 | 10:09AM
wiliki wrote:
The Republicans want to take away benefits and entitlements of retirees-- military and nonmilitary. Democrats want to protect them. But cuts to the military are Bi-partisan. Republicans will have to prove their unwillingness to cut military spending before the sequestration cuts take place next year.
on October 26,2012 | 04:46PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Is Wiliki German for "always wrong". Cuts to military benefits are coming from within the Obama administration and they are supported by Hanabusa. How do I know? I called her office, spoke to a staffer, and got a written copy of her position. It was typical mealymouthed politicize, but clearly in favor of cuts to the troops benefits.
on October 26,2012 | 05:08PM
walaau808 wrote:
Hahahahaha, classic!
on October 26,2012 | 09:03AM
loquaciousone wrote:
I will never forget that Colleen Hanabusa pushed for the 36 PERCENT PAYRAISE for legislators while the rest of the State was struggling to pay bills and other State employees were furloughed and/or took a pay cut. Shame on you Hanabata. Your selfishness shows your true character.
on October 26,2012 | 03:50AM
MakaniKai wrote:
Loquaciousone nor will I. How do some voters let this slide? Thirty-six percent is very significant and riddle me this – don’t the taxpayers fund the Ledge’s salary? IMHO they accomplish very little while in session therefore the pay raise was not warranted. Hanabooboo is arrogant and represents the unions not the general population. Aloha
on October 26,2012 | 07:57AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Go Djou Go
on October 26,2012 | 10:16AM
nonpolitic wrote:
If you all check your facts on this matter, the legislature doesn't establish when or how much they make. An independent salary commission does that for all state elected officials, judges, and state department heads. In comparison, Djou's salary as a councilmember in 2005 was higher than what the speaker of the house and the president of the senate made in 2010. Furthermore, Djou even voted against pay raises for himself (at least 4 while he was at the council), but had no problem taking any of them each time their salary went up. Talk about a hypocrite.
on October 26,2012 | 11:08AM
wiliki wrote:
We forget that Democratic state officials have volunteered not to take pay increases until the pay raise bill came up for a vote. However, we also forget that the coucil position is a year round position while legislators are only paid for the legislative session. I don't even know if they get paid for special sessions and hearings like this recent one on UH governance.
on October 26,2012 | 04:54PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
The legislature could have rejected those pay increases but didn't, even though the recession was hurting everyone else. Hanabusa was the leader of the senate at the time.
on October 27,2012 | 12:55PM
allie wrote:
yikes!
on October 26,2012 | 12:39PM
Mana07 wrote:
The voice of Hanabusa is like finger nails on a chalk board
on October 26,2012 | 05:01AM
allie wrote:
I watched the debates. She is more fluid than Mazie but frankly shockingly unprepared for any job of responsibility
on October 26,2012 | 06:25AM
wiliki wrote:
She's a tough debater and was holding back with Djou. I think that most men (and women too) wouldn't want to see a man out debated by a woman, and would declare her to be too unfeminine to hold office. Hirono has also been walking that fine line with all the lies that Lingle is telling. It's hard to call Lingle on them, and not make it seem she's also responding to the personal bashing that Lingle gives when telling the lie.
on October 26,2012 | 05:00PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
How do you watch Hawaii debates from the mainland? Why do you even care?
on October 27,2012 | 12:57PM
loquaciousone wrote:
When I lived in district 1 hanabusa, who lived in district 2, decided to run in district 1. I could not vote in district 2 because I lived in district 1 but hanabusa could run in district 1 when she lived in district 2. Got it? Then she promised to move to district 1 if she won. She won and she moved. If she loses in district 1will she move back to district 2?
on October 26,2012 | 06:58AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Both of her homes are in District 1, so why would she move?
on October 26,2012 | 08:07AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Waianae is not district 1.
on October 26,2012 | 08:25AM
nonpolitic wrote:
I heard that because of reapportionment, where she used to live is in district 1.
on October 26,2012 | 11:10AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Man where did time go? Looks like she didn't have to move after all. She could have stayed put in Waianae and took the rail to work.
on October 26,2012 | 11:53AM
wiliki wrote:
No she lived in Ko Olina with her boyfriend. Ko Olina or Kapolei is now District 1. There's a case in court on the redistricting so it could change for one of her homes.

Was never a problem. A Congresswoman does not have to live in the district that she represents. Redistricting can't deprive residents of a district of representation. If that were not the case, every ten years would see the whole scale shift of Congressional representation depending on which Political Party was in power.


on October 26,2012 | 05:06PM
hikine wrote:
"Philosophically, there is a difference between being a Demo­crat and a Republican," Hana­busa said. "And we see it very clearly now. That's the difference. It's the core values of what makes a Demo­crat and, I believe, the core values of what makes a Republican. We are parties. We are political parties for a specific purpose." This is the most meaningless statement I've read so far, it's like doublespeak. Since Hanabusa went into office I hardly heard a peep out from her but when Djou was elected he was more active in his dealings with Washington. I believe Hanabusa is a lame duck candidate that just follows what her Democratic party wants her to do and does't speak her mind.
on October 26,2012 | 05:38AM
Giligan wrote:
Hanabusa is the classic Democrat who will only vote Democratic, which means she will never get anything done. Especially if we want/need to stop the overspending and overtaxing of the middle class.
on October 26,2012 | 05:59AM
wiliki wrote:
The reason for voting for Hanabusa is that Djou actually believes all those Republican talking points. He's a dangerous person to be elected to Congress. Do we want to lose Medicare and Social Security?
on October 26,2012 | 05:10PM
fka wrote:
BINGO! You hit it on the nose. This what many citizens are blind to....the republicans want to get rid of these two entitlements. If the republicans takes over the senate and house they will seek to have the Medicare to be a voucher system and privatize social security.
on October 26,2012 | 06:59PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Well.... keep running a trillion dollar deficit every year and we will lose medicare and SS for sure. Changes are needed to keep the system solvent, I would prefer those changes occur now instead of continuing to kick the can down the road like they've done for a decade now. The Generation that is now seeking those benefits is the same generation that bankrupted our government with excessive spending, including stealing the SS trust fund. If there's to be any suffering as a result of reduction of benefits.... they should be the first to experience it.
on October 27,2012 | 01:05PM
allie wrote:
true..I heard her on TV and she spoke and could not stop talking. But she said nothing. Just gobbledeygook. Embarrassing. Djou was just too politie. He listened to her and let her talk nonsense.
on October 26,2012 | 12:40PM
honupono wrote:
And Republicans get their news from fox which only shows bias towards the republican party. Never mind objectivity. Also, people lie Rush, Coulter and Trump makes me wonder about that party's integrity since they embrace those pundits hateful view points. It's the bully pulpit.
on October 26,2012 | 06:35AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
For the most part FOX is just as much extreme right wing trash as MSNBC is extreme left wing. One has to read and watch a lot of news so you can gleen the truth out of the bunk out there. Only Joe Moore tries to keep the Bob Sevey flag (neutrality) up high.
on October 26,2012 | 08:37AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope just watch PBS Hawaii or listen to HPR.
on October 26,2012 | 05:12PM
Bdpapa wrote:
Hanabusa is a strong determined person who is usd to getting her way. In the proper setting and with a little humility, she has the potential for good things. Fjou has the honesty and integrity. If I asked each of them the same question knowing the answer and them not knowing I know. Djou would answer honestly, even if it hurt him. I am not convinced Hanabusa would do the same.
on October 26,2012 | 07:15AM
Bdpapa wrote:
Sorry for the typo. Not Fjou but Djou. Better get some coffee. :)
on October 26,2012 | 07:17AM
loquaciousone wrote:
No more decafe for you.
on October 26,2012 | 07:21AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Bdpapa needs to understand that beer is an excellent breakfast beverage.
on October 26,2012 | 09:11AM
loquaciousone wrote:
One or two is okay but after ten the typos really go haywire.
on October 26,2012 | 10:22AM
wiliki wrote:
Both are lawyers.... I don't trust either. But at least I know that Hanabusa doesn't believe in those talking points that Djou believes are true.
on October 26,2012 | 05:15PM
Bdpapa wrote:
I read that somewhere!
on October 26,2012 | 12:15PM
loquaciousone wrote:
On the internet?
on October 26,2012 | 01:16PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
If so, it's guaranteed to be correct.
on October 26,2012 | 03:12PM
Descartes22 wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on October 26,2012 | 07:26AM
lee1957 wrote:
It's the other guy's fault, not mine! That's always a persuasive arguement
on October 26,2012 | 08:12AM
Descartes22 wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on October 26,2012 | 09:31AM
wiliki wrote:
Congress is divided and Republicans are terrorized by Tea Party members. We wont have any progress until the Tea Partiers are voted out, or more Democrats are voted in.
on October 26,2012 | 05:18PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Lame. There have been many Republican house legislative initiatives,including a budget resolution, something the Senate democrats haven't bothered with in four years.
on October 26,2012 | 05:10PM
mudslider wrote:
DEMOCRAT MOTTO: "Better to keep quiet and be thought a FOOL, than open your mouth and remove ALL doubt!". Case in point, DEBATES!!
on October 26,2012 | 07:28AM
ejkorvette wrote:
The Hawaiian Kings and Queens of past would be Ashamed of their Beloved Island. They are equally Abhorred at the "HUMAN TRASH" that is Poisoning their island, the Political candidates are Sub-Humans and should be taken to the Pali Lookout and reminded how Royalty tended their business. Hawaii can use lots of that Now.
on October 26,2012 | 07:48AM
lee1957 wrote:
Time to adjust the meds don't you think?
on October 26,2012 | 08:13AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Hey, lighten up. ej almost got through that post without his caplock key.
on October 26,2012 | 08:40AM
aomohoa wrote:
EJ just forgot his meds this morning. In a couple of hours the caps will be back:)
on October 26,2012 | 09:45AM
loquaciousone wrote:
You go first.
on October 26,2012 | 09:02AM
HD36 wrote:
No matter who gets elected, it's a 100% mathematical certainty the dollar will collapse.
on October 26,2012 | 07:50AM
kailuabred wrote:
What a ridiculous statement.
on October 26,2012 | 09:20AM
wiliki wrote:
True... we've had over 4 years of waiting for it to collapse. But inflation has never reared it's ugly head. A similar recession is Japan which has had zero inflation for about 12 years. Right wingers believe in fantasies to justify their politics.

Most of the rest of the world would rather have Obama win. That should tell you who they think can better run this country's economy. Too bad, the Chinese aren't allowed to contribute to Obama's campaign.


on October 26,2012 | 05:24PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I keep picturing Colleen phoning Mike White at PRP and saying, "How about me....where's my slam ads on that Djou guy? I can be pro-rail and anti-Cayetano....where's my union pony????"
on October 26,2012 | 09:09AM
localguy wrote:
Priceless. Yes, I'm sure she is upset PRP is not helping her out. Then again if they did Ben would just add her to the lawsuit. YESSSS!!!!!
on October 26,2012 | 10:11AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope Hanabusa is tough enough to win on her own.... Republicans and Democrats like Case should beware that she is tough tough tough. That's why she was the Senate President of the State Legislature. Hirono was a leader there before she ran for lieutenant governor.

She was a leader in the Women's Caucus and even fought against the Kamehameha Schools when they were corrupting the state legislature to get their sweet heart deals. Senate President Peters was also a Kamehameha Schools Trustee and earning a humongous salary with the Schools to represent them in the legislature.


on October 26,2012 | 05:31PM
scooters wrote:
Japanese word for ugly is: BUSU kind-da like Hana BUSU...along with her counter-part Demo..Mazie..both could stop trucks in their tracks..
on October 26,2012 | 10:09AM
MakaniKai wrote:
見苦しい unsightly, ugly, disagreeable, unattractive, unpleasant, repulsive I agree with scooters! Aaaaaloha.
on October 26,2012 | 10:20AM
false wrote:
false3. Try Hana kuso. As kids, what you try to pick out of your nose. Agree that she was hiding somewhere when good looks were being passed out.
on October 26,2012 | 11:12AM
loquaciousone wrote:
hana kuso is the dried stuff....hana bata is more fluid and not allowed on airplanes according to the TSA.
on October 26,2012 | 11:55AM
nonpolitic wrote:
Very classy. I guess you vote based only on looks.
on October 26,2012 | 11:13AM
false wrote:
false3. Ordinarily no, but she has no good traits to balance the playing field.
on October 26,2012 | 11:29AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
That's why he voted Palin. And will vote Pine.
on October 26,2012 | 11:45AM
aomohoa wrote:
Haven't heard anything from you in a while NanakuliBoss. Where ya been?
on October 26,2012 | 12:00PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Kansas to visit Dorothy and Toto on the yellow brick road.
on October 26,2012 | 12:27PM
allie wrote:
The boss often makes sense to me
on October 26,2012 | 12:42PM
aomohoa wrote:
You are kidding I assume?
on October 26,2012 | 12:53PM
wiliki wrote:
Nope... she's right. He's a pretty clear thinker and he says things the way he believes.
on October 26,2012 | 05:35PM
wiliki wrote:
Check out the url of the latest debate if you don't believe the lies that are being thrown your way in this forum.... http://www.pbshawaii.org/ourproductions/insight.php
on October 26,2012 | 05:38PM
MakaniKai wrote:
NOPE. Voted for pleeny “fuglies”. Just don’t like her pilau way of doing business. Aloha
on October 26,2012 | 01:43PM
nonpolitic wrote:
Again, a very classy comment. Not at all misogynistic. So what's all this "pilau way of doing business" anyway?
on October 26,2012 | 04:45PM
AndrewWalden wrote:
www.TheRealHanabusa.com
on October 26,2012 | 12:45PM
nonpolitic wrote:
TheRealAndrewWalden http://www.ilind.net/2008/06/29/sundayhawaii-link-in-false-obama-rumor-campaign-last-gasp-on-campaign-finance-no-cell-phones-in-seattle-and-sundays-dogs/
on October 26,2012 | 04:59PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
ANYBODY BUT HANABUSA!!!!
on October 26,2012 | 05:21PM
HD36 wrote:
One of the best jobs in the USA is a politician. The goons just want to get elected. We can't throw them in jail if they lie. We should though.
on October 26,2012 | 05:45PM
Rivergrouch wrote:
ANYBODY BUT HANALOOZA!!!!!!!!!!..........WWW.THE REAL HANABUSA.COM..........ANYBODY BUT HANALOOZA!!!!!!!
on October 26,2012 | 06:16PM
CloudForest wrote:
Take a good look around you, see the corruption and endless delays - that is what democrats can do for you! Vote Djou.
on October 27,2012 | 09:48AM
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