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Rail pulls back into favor among voters

By Kevin Dayton / kdayton@staradvertiser.com

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LAST UPDATED: 12:19 p.m. HST, Oct 30, 2012

Public opinion on the city’s $5.26 billion rail project appears to be shifting again, and timing is everything.

With a critical mayoral election just ahead that will decide the fate of the rail project, voters apparently are now leaning slightly in favor of rail, according to the new Hawaii Poll.

The latest shift in public support for rail appears to have come almost entirely from Filipino-Americans and working-age voters, with both groups now showing significantly greater support for rail than they did in July.

Three months ago, only 44 percent of Oahu voters polled said work on the rail project should continue, and a bare majority of 50 percent said work should stop.

This month those numbers have flipped, with 50 percent now saying that work on rail should continue, and 45 percent saying it should not. Another 5 percent of those polled said they didn’t know or would not answer the question.

The rail question was asked of 552 likely Oahu voters in the upcoming general election. The poll was conducted Oct. 15-22 by Ward Research Inc. of Honolulu for the Star-Advertiser and Hawaii News Now, and has a margin of error of 4.2 percentage points.

About half of those polled were contacted via cellular telephones, and half by land line telephones.

The 20-mile rail line from East Kapolei to Ala Moana Center has been the focus of this year’s mayor’s race and the subject of heated debate and a flood of political advertising.

POLLS DO NOT FORECAST ELECTION’S WINNER

Every poll is a snapshot in time, taking the pulse of respondents on one particular day and projecting their responses onto a larger population with measurable certainty.

Election polls do not and cannot forecast who will win an election. They cannot foresee, for example, a change in momentum, a candidate’s slip of the tongue, a good or bad debate performance, an unexpected announcement or a game-changing ad between the time a poll is released and the election is held.

Polls give a good look at opinions on the day the questions were asked, but nothing beyond that.

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Star-Advertiser staff

Former Gov. Ben Caye­tano is running for mayor, and promises to stop the project if elected. His campaign has emphasized the drawbacks of the project, warning that it will be ugly, and that other city services and projects will suffer if the train system is built.

Former city Managing Director Kirk Caldwell supports rail, arguing it is needed to ease congestion on Oahu roads and give residents an alternative to driving.

The shift in support in favor of rail is most obvious in Oahu’s Filipino-American community. In July, only 37 percent of Filipino-American voters said they believed work on the rail project should continue, but this month that support has grown to 51 percent.

Voters between 35 and 54 years old also appear to be tilting in favor of the rail project. In July only 48 percent of those voters said work should continue, but that increased to 58 percent in October.

The poll also suggests support for rail has been building among people who said they consider themselves political independents or said they usually vote with Republicans.

Kalu Wolfe, 35, said his views on rail have evolved. Initially he opposed the project because he felt the Leeward residents who will ride the rail line ought to be the ones who pay for it.

But Wolfe said he reconsidered, in part because he recalled road projects, such as the Kalanianaole Highway widening, that were built with funding provided by other communities.

“I live on the Windward side and I don’t have a problem with paying for something for other people,” he said. “I realize we all live on an island and we’re a big family.”

Still, Wolfe, who is a firefighter, has doubts about the rail line. He said he wonders if large numbers of Oahu residents will be willing to drive to a rail station, get out of their cars and ride the train. He also wonders about the cost of operating and maintaining the system after it is built.

On balance, he decided to support the project.

“My general feeling about it from everything I’ve heard is there does need to be a solution, rail seems like a viable solution, but the way that they’re going about it, I don’t know how efficient it is,” he said.

Others, like Kailua resident Steve Jones, remain adamantly opposed.

“It is a gigantic waste of money for no reduction in traffic, and if that wasn’t bad enough it’s going to be a financial drain on the community forever because it will never be self-sufficient,” said Jones, 45. “It will never be able to generate enough money from the fares to pay for their yearly operations.”

“It’s just insane. It’s just politicians being politicians, and government employees trying to get money out of the public,” he said.

The Hawaii Poll confirms that whether voters support rail or oppose it, they expect to pay dearly for it.

A total of 87 percent of the voters strongly agreed or somewhat agreed with the statement: “The rail project will end up costing a lot more than is currently estimated.” That is slightly higher than the percentage that agreed with that statement in July.

As for the impact of the rail project on traffic congestion, 47 percent of the voters strongly agreed or somewhat agreed with the statement: “The rail system will result in a noticeable reduction in traffic.” About the same percentage disagreed with that statement.

City officials acknowledge Oahu’s traffic congestion will increase even with rail as the population grows, but say the congestion would be worse without rail.






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Soledad wrote:
Good to hear that people like Kalu Wolfe are beginning to understand that rail is an issue of transportation equity.
on October 28,2012 | 01:41AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I don't believe the STAR ADVERTISER!!!
on October 28,2012 | 02:26AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I'm not a Sheep so I don't believe this story!!!
on October 28,2012 | 02:28AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
We need rail and the special rail funding gives us the opportunity to get it. Rail is for world-class cities. Rail is a desirable infrastructure to improve our transportation for the future. The rail tax should not be used for anything else. Any type of modified bus plan is a waste of the special funding already set for rail. Sure we could use improvements to our bus system but these should be to improve the integration of buses into operation with rail. Rail will be the primary mover of the masses of passengers as buses circulating the neighborhoods feed into the rail trunk line. An all-bus system which uses roadways which are in competition with other vehicles will never be the standard in world-class urban areas. Right now we have the opportunity to build a modern high-speed high capacity rail line with the help of special funding. We get $1.5 billion from the FTA which discounts the cost. We also have the half percent general excise tax where non-residents such as tourists help us pay for rail. Rail is an opportunity for a better future for our children and grandchildren. Don’t listen to naysayers who are probably rich people accepting of the status quo because they already have the resources to live the way they want now. Rail is for the rest of us average locals who will benefit from better transportation and a better economy resulting from more jobs from rail construction and transit oriented development. We have rail funding and we should not waste the opportunity to build rail.
on October 28,2012 | 03:13AM
wiliki wrote:
Without rail our grandchildren have no future.
on October 28,2012 | 03:32AM
Truther wrote:
They'll have a future full of despair and debt.
on October 28,2012 | 03:38AM
what wrote:
Agreed. Most voters are ignorant as to the true cost of Honolulu rail, and have no idea that a vote for Kirk is a vote for doubling the property tax and a vote for higher rents. They believe the special interest TV ads hook line and sinker. It's sad, really.
on October 28,2012 | 04:41AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Scare tactics are all you have left.(and the ability to use HTML tags to make your comments bold and red). This election has taught people more about how rail is being paid for and that we can easily afford it, since the only tax we're paying (or going to pay) to build it we've already been paying for almost six years (1/1/2007). The federal government is paying for one-third of the cost. There will be no debt after the project is completely paid for in 2022. This is not HART talking; it's the independent analysts hired by the FTA. The project's finances are in great shape.
on October 28,2012 | 06:14AM
itoboy wrote:
Cayetano voters are ignorant as to the true cost of Cayetano's BRT/double-decker freeway plan and the long-term effects of short-sighted planning. They just want to kill something they don't understand. They don't even want to give it a try even though a lot of the money has been raised/committed. Just throw the money away. This is sad.
on October 28,2012 | 08:35AM
808chubs wrote:
My sentiments exactly, and my grandchildren won't even use the rail, they live on the opposite end.
on October 28,2012 | 09:10AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The republican sky is falling,truther.
on October 28,2012 | 10:19AM
what wrote:
Blues, you are repeating Kirk's lies. You only talk about the cost of BUILDING rail, but like Kirk, you say nothing about the cost of OPERATING rail. It will cost another 100 MILLION dollars per year, and that is not going to be significantly paid for by FEDERAL MONEY OR THE GET TAX. What it will be paid for is by A HIKE IN THE PROPERTY TAX, which will be passed to all home renters.
on October 28,2012 | 01:16PM
wiliki wrote:
This is what ukulele says: "We get $1.5 billion from the FTA which discounts the cost. We also have the half percent general excise tax where non-residents such as tourists help us pay for rail. Rail is an opportunity for a better future for our children and grandchildren."

Because we pay fully up front our children and grandchildren are not saddled with the costs of building rail and will start reap the benefits the day it is in operation. Their future is assured.


on October 28,2012 | 03:53PM
polekasta wrote:
The future is going to be there for our grandchildren, rail or no rail. The question is will our grandchildren be able to afford the future. With rail, the city's transportation budget will nearly double in cost, which means the citizens of Oahu will end up paying more in their property taxes to support rail. Rail will either increase the value of properties along its route making houses even more expensive then it is now, or decrease it's value making people not want to live in the area. When you add in those new homes, there are added infrastructure that must be added in also. Added roads, sewer and water lines, all contribute to more cost for the city to find the funds for. Higher taxes is the only way the city will be able to increase it's revenue to be able to support the repair and maintenance of all this infrastructure. As it stands right now, the city can't even support the repair and maintenance of what is has now. Is that really the future you want for your grandchildren? I know it's not what I want for my children or grandchildren.
on October 28,2012 | 04:29AM
Truther wrote:
This rail project is a luxury we can't afford; vote Ben to stop it, there's 10,000,000,000 reasons to vote for Ben.
on October 28,2012 | 04:33AM
itoboy wrote:
The transportation budget will double with or without rail. Cayetano's plan is to stuff the roads with more buses, which cost $$$, and when traffic gets real bad, just build more roads and double-decker roads, which takes more $$$ to build and maintain. There is no getting around spending $$$. No one has a crystal ball, but we cannot keep going the way we have been going - more and more cars and buses on the roads. There needs to be an alternative to cars and roads.
on October 28,2012 | 08:13AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The greatest benefit for rail will be for the areas between Kalihi and Ala Moana. The ridership will be tremendous in that corridor. The city will benefit. This is NOT about only the Westside, it's about Honolulu and the city in general. The building of Kakaako,Kapalama and Pearl City will compliment the Hoopili and Koa Ridge developments. This is about the future.
on October 28,2012 | 10:25AM
aomohoa wrote:
Wiliki you are lying to the people. I hope they don't believe your cr^p!
on October 28,2012 | 09:15PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
According to the poll 88% people believe the rail will cost more than expected -- and the numbers are growing.
on October 28,2012 | 08:24AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
al kidder, gas will rise,so will your water bill, car insurance,taxes,electric in fact 88% say it!
on October 28,2012 | 11:29AM
wondermn1 wrote:
The RAILis a BOONDOGGLE started with LIES and money ifrom the ITALIANS that will build the RAIL CATTLE CARS. the main jobs from RAIL will be in Europe and the mainland US. Think about it . Remember the full page adds paid for with YOUR TAX MONEY BY MUFEE. Please this election is very important so VOTE for the person who will look out for Honolulu vote for Ben Cayetano Go Ben Go
on October 28,2012 | 08:28PM
luvshawaii wrote:
Baloney to uku and wiliki! I don't believe the SA garbage for a minute!
on October 28,2012 | 09:39AM
Ronin006 wrote:
With rail, our grandchildren will be taxed to death.
on October 28,2012 | 05:12PM
false wrote:
Light another one up for the blue man.
on October 28,2012 | 04:07AM
aomohoa wrote:
The SA is pro union and pro Caldwell, of course they are going to try to twist this tiny poll to mean something important. I voted for BEN and can't be tricked by this bull.
on October 28,2012 | 09:14AM
pridon wrote:
SA supports rail because of all the advertising bucks. Creates these pretend polls to try to trick voters. Rail loses money everywhere in US. Just a matter of how they do the cost accounting to hid the losses. Rail does nothing for anyone not working or going to school along the corridor. Worries about gas prices are way overdone unless Obama is reflected. Plans are to build plants to convert Nat Gas to gasoline at $2.00 a gallon using technology from the 1930s. Feasible because of the Nat Gas glut. Rail requires fossil fuel electricity. HE will do it by using ultra expensive altnative energy solutions which will cost you higher and higher electic bill. Ben is our last hope.
on October 28,2012 | 05:38PM
aomohoa wrote:
They think we are more like Lemmings that will follow them off the rail insanity cliff!
on October 28,2012 | 09:13PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
I don't believe YOU.
on October 28,2012 | 07:42AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
This rail was not designed to be a "public transportation system" - It is an airport to West Oahu land development scheme.-- This is all about bring Asian investors to Hawaii for the next "Asia Investor Bubble"- mostly China, and getting them to dump their money into West Oahu Condos, Golf Courses, Casinos. --The local residents will quickly stop using the rail once they realize it takes them twice as long to get someplace, and that the rail stations are incredibly badly designed for "public transit"--_______Rail is really all about Dan Inouye's dream, with his big insider friends who will profit---for a an express railway from HNL to West Oahu land development schemes.---The Hawaii Public will be paying INCREASING TAXES to help big insiders get rich.-----That's why they needed to control the main "newspaper" to control the lies and propapganda. This is why there is the Public Land Development Corp, etc--- this is all a MASSIVE THEFT for land and money from the people of Hawaii.
on October 28,2012 | 12:04PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Casinos???
on October 28,2012 | 03:32PM
jomama wrote:
Conspiracy theories abound. Bigfoot sighted in Haleiwa, too.
on October 28,2012 | 04:39PM
aomohoa wrote:
Obviously you have not searched the truth and have been sucked in by the deception and corruption. Don't be so gullible.
on October 28,2012 | 07:03PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Folks it's pretty simple. One side wants Honolulu to proceed into the future with a look at a planned growth for Our Children, and the other side wants more rubber on asphalt with gas burning pollutants. More buses on existing roads in the City will not help no one. Of course the auto sales,oil companies,taxis,bus transportation,limo services and their lawyers will feel the pinch, but they will survive. It's about the future.
on October 28,2012 | 11:27AM
aomohoa wrote:
That is your simple minded truth.
on October 28,2012 | 04:24PM
Truther wrote:

VOTE for BEN to stop the runaway train insanity and SAVE BILLIONS from being wasted on rail.

$10,000,000,000.00 and Counting.


on October 28,2012 | 03:43AM
jomama wrote:
Too bad you don't get to bold face your ballot. But everybody gets the same say there, even if you think your comments deserve more weight here than anyone else's.
on October 28,2012 | 04:40PM
peanutgallery wrote:
This story is complete fabrication.
on October 28,2012 | 04:19AM
itoboy wrote:
Yep - rail will provide options so we don't just keep building roads, or double-decker roads. Don't be fooled by the comments that rail will never be "self-sufficient." It's not about whether rail can "break-even" through the fares it will collect. Do roads "break-even"? Where does the money to build and maintain roads come from? If you want a "self-sufficient" transportation system, then we should make all roads tollways because roads certainly do not generate any revenue and constantly "drain" resources.
on October 28,2012 | 08:00AM
pakeheat wrote:
itoboy, it looks like you haven't been keeping up, your totally false about double decking roads? Your comments come someone who is totally lost about the subject. Will you ride rail daily when you get ready to work after you graduate?
on October 28,2012 | 11:31AM
itoboy wrote:
Straight from Cayetano's FAST plan: "A 2-mile elevated reversible Nimitz Flyover for express travel from the airport viaduct to Iwilei and downtown Honolulu" Sounds like double decker to me. When I graduate? None of your business - no need get personal just cause your candidate is losing momentum. But actually, I do plan to use the rail - especially to go to the Airport and Aloha Stadium. And I plan to to add on a rail pass to the bus pass I provide as a benefit to the employees of my company.
on October 28,2012 | 10:54PM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
This rail was not designed to be a "public transportation system" - It is an airport to West Oahu land development scheme.-- This is all about bring Asian investors to Hawaii for the next "Asia Investor Bubble"- mostly China, and getting them to dump their money into West Oahu Condos, Golf Courses, Casinos. --The local residents will quickly stop using the rail once they realize it takes them twice as long to get someplace, and that the rail stations are incredibly badly designed for "public transit"--_______Rail is really all about Dan Inouye's dream, with his big insider friends who will profit---for a an express railway from HNL to West Oahu land development schemes.---The Hawaii Public will be paying INCREASING TAXES to help big insiders get rich.-----That's why they needed to control the main "newspaper" to control the lies and propapganda. This is why there is the Public Land Development Corp, etc--- this is all a MASSIVE THEFT for land and money from the people of Hawaii.
on October 28,2012 | 12:03PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Casinos???? Where???
on October 28,2012 | 03:32PM
jomama wrote:
What a dumb disclaimer by "Advertiser staff": "polls don't forecast winner." Of course they do, otherwise why run them. Do polls guarantee who will win? Everybody knows anything can happen. But in this case, looks like Ben loses, and all the nutsy anti-railers can go home now. Of course, Ward's record may not be the best, maybe that is what they are trying to disclaim. But with this margin, if this doesn't predict the election, Ward Research might as well close up shop.
on October 28,2012 | 04:37PM
rsgea wrote:
It looks like those of us who are against Rail need to increase our support of Ben Cayetano. I'm sending in another check for his campaign tomorrow.

STEP UP YOUR SUPPORT FOR BEN CAYETANO's CAMPAIGN

A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS NOW TO HELP BEN BECOME MAYOR WILL SAVE YOU MANY $THOUSANDS IN TAXES AND FEE INCREASES TO PAY FOR RAIL IN THE YEARS TO COME
on October 28,2012 | 02:09AM
Truther wrote:
I agree, a small donation now, will save each voter many thousands of $s.

VOTE for BEN to stop the runaway train insanity and SAVE BILLIONS from being wasted on rail.

$10,000,000,000.00 and Counting.


on October 28,2012 | 03:47AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
I'm in.
on October 28,2012 | 08:25AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
FAST is false.
on October 28,2012 | 10:26AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Cayetano's support is waning. The sun is setting on rail opponents and Cayetano supporters. You and the rest of the anti-rail bunch have been misinforming anyone who would listen about the project. Cayetano has been running anti-rail ads for months. Honolulu Weekly, numerous reporters on TV and print, and columnists have been highly biased against the rail project and for Cayetano. But thanks to Cayetano's FAST scheme people can now see that rail is vastly superior to the alternative.

As time has passed, more details about the project have been finalized and more contracts let. And guess what? The cost of the project has gone down, not up, in successive financial reports. It will cost less to build than people once thought. And it will cost much less to operate than an all-bus system. The more people know about the project and how it will operate, the more they like it.


on October 28,2012 | 06:05AM
cabot17 wrote:
Comparing The Rail to Cayetano's FAST was the real clincher for many people. They saw that Ben's plan was not adequate. Ben's weak plan changed many peoples' minds. The Rail is obviously the superior plan.
on October 28,2012 | 08:24AM
luvshawaii wrote:
Fool!
on October 28,2012 | 09:44AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
"Well if BRT don't work, we'll try something else"!
on October 28,2012 | 11:31AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
NanakuliBoss wrote: "Well if BRT don't work, we'll try something else"!

"That sure beats elevated rail at any cost and any route."
on October 28,2012 | 02:58PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Sure it does.
on October 28,2012 | 03:33PM
itoboy wrote:
Brilliant cabot17. I'm obviously pro-rail, but Cayetano could have come up with something better than "stuff more buses into the already-crowded roads; then build more roads and double-decker ones too; just follow the LA model." Keep the "country" like LA?
on October 28,2012 | 11:07AM
pakeheat wrote:
your comments are so false and nonsense, go back and research more about the subject itoboy. Will you ride rail daily?
on October 28,2012 | 11:33AM
jomama wrote:
Maybe Ben should have done more research before he floated the FAST scheme. Out of answers, out of time. See ya!
on October 28,2012 | 04:42PM
itoboy wrote:
Asked and answered - I'll take the rail and encourage everyone I know to take it - and I have absolutely no rail contracts. Cayetano thought up his FAST plan after a trip to LA - of all places to model. If you have some enlightening info. share them.
on October 28,2012 | 11:09PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Cost less? You got to be kidding right. There's no way it's gonna cost less than what they budgeted, more likely it will cost double like H-3 did, which up until rail was the largest construction project undertaken by government in Hawaii. I think most people realize that stopping rail now would cost us 1-2 billion without anything to show for it so like it or not, rail should go forward. Carlyle and Caldwell have issued so many contracts in hopes of putting this project beyond the point of no return, I think they've succeeded in that goal.
on October 28,2012 | 01:15PM
tiki886 wrote:
The questions are unintelligible to the kupuna who ride TheBus and there is no evidence that the proposed ridership will justify the Rails' existence by taking more cars off the road. This article is designed to obfuscate the issue and ignore the exorbitant costs!
on October 28,2012 | 02:22AM
localguy wrote:
What did you expect from a little 4th world rag, honest, fair, competent reporting? Not going to happen in the little 4th world of Hawaii Nei with only one paper. They work for who every gives them the most money.
on October 28,2012 | 02:54AM
wiliki wrote:
Remember they ask the same questions in the same way to over 500 residents. The answers have changed. So there must be a change in opinion.How else would you explain the different answers?
on October 28,2012 | 03:36AM
Truther wrote:
Phony poll and a phony story.
on October 28,2012 | 03:40AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Actual truth not good enough?
on October 28,2012 | 07:43AM
Anonymous wrote:
Truther probably lives in the East-Oahu (not including Waimanalo) distortion bubble. Their respective communities exist in a temporal flux where all they see is conspiracy and lies.
on October 28,2012 | 10:02AM
aomohoa wrote:
This is biased c*#p put out by a newspaper that is owned by the Unions, like Caldwell.
on October 28,2012 | 04:25PM
jomama wrote:
lol. If only. Shows you have no clue.
on October 28,2012 | 04:44PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
I am curious which neighborhood got the most calls. I could easily sway the results by where I place the calls. For instance a poll in Palolo Valley would predictably yield different results than a poll in Kalama Valley, yet both could be logged down as "East Honolulu" results. The most believable poll will be held on November 6th.
on October 28,2012 | 08:47AM
aomohoa wrote:
I didn't get a call. Did you? What cr*p!
on October 28,2012 | 09:17AM
pakeheat wrote:
I didn't also, but I won't be surprised if Caldwell wins, we anti-railers are up against a strong machine and greed will not let this rail gets stopped no matter what it takes.
on October 28,2012 | 11:40AM
wiliki wrote:
Odd just lost my comment. Just to summarize.... the pollers have controls on their poll and estimate the chance for spurious error in the numbers is a little higher by 4% or a little lower by 4%. There's a band of 8% around the polling numbers that's uncertain.

Regarding location, I'm sure that responders are still from the same locations that have been polled before.


on October 28,2012 | 03:46PM
aomohoa wrote:
SA has been bought. What happened to real objective news. SA sucks!
on October 28,2012 | 09:16AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Yes anti's. SA is a rag. Inouye is a out of touch. So is Ariyoshi, the polls are a lie, pro rail letters are liars, voters are ignorant, what else do you guys have?
on October 28,2012 | 10:29AM
aomohoa wrote:
The poll is only small sample, a few people, certainly not a significant number. and doesn't prove anything except the that SA is biased and have been bought like you.NB you are in so deep, I hope it's worth it.
on October 28,2012 | 09:25PM
itoboy wrote:
And building and maintaining a "flyover" Nimitz is cheap?
on October 28,2012 | 11:09AM
pakeheat wrote:
cheaper than 5 billion and still growing? What do you think the maintenance and operational cost would be for rail itoboy?
on October 28,2012 | 04:26PM
aomohoa wrote:
If the rail is built they will take a lane away from Nimitz. What will that do for traffic?
on October 28,2012 | 09:27PM
awahana wrote:
Two separate stories in the SA for the same poll, by the same Ward Research, in the same day? Hmm.
on October 28,2012 | 02:34AM
localguy wrote:
How do you think the SA pays their cub reporters? Have to suck up to somebody.
on October 28,2012 | 02:53AM
Truther wrote:
Kevin Dayton is anti-Ben and anti-Berg because BIG RAIL $s keep this worthless newspaper in the black.
on October 28,2012 | 03:54AM
aomohoa wrote:
SA should be ashamed! I surely hope they are reading these comments. What sell outs.
on October 28,2012 | 09:18AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Are you kidding? The SA keeps this forum so we stay indoors next to our computers and don't so something dangerous like actually get out in the community, get involved with politics, or attend neighborhood/city council/legislative meetings. We're "contained" if we are at our keyboards. Power to the United Socialist State of Hawaii.
on October 28,2012 | 10:32AM
jomama wrote:
Well, I'd agree that fresh air might help you, al quada.
on October 28,2012 | 04:47PM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
This rail was not designed to be a "public transportation system" - It is an airport to West Oahu land development scheme.-- This is all about bring Asian investors to Hawaii for the next "Asia Investor Bubble"- mostly China, and getting them to dump their money into West Oahu Condos, Golf Courses, Casinos. --The local residents will quickly stop using the rail once they realize it takes them twice as long to get someplace, and that the rail stations are incredibly badly designed for "public transit"--_______Rail is really all about Dan Inouye's dream, with his big insider friends who will profit---for a an express railway from HNL to West Oahu land development schemes.---The Hawaii Public will be paying INCREASING TAXES to help big insiders get rich.-----That's why they needed to control the main "newspaper" to control the lies and propapganda. This is why there is the Public Land Development Corp, etc--- this is all a MASSIVE THEFT for land and money from the people of Hawaii.
on October 28,2012 | 12:04PM
localguy wrote:
Once again we look like the little 4th world we are, Hawaii Poll information not provided for review. As in who did you call in what areas of the island, did you keep track of ethnic groups to ensure matching island percentages, how many men and women were called, what time did you call, how did you call cell or land line, exactly how was the question worded. Yes, typical 4th world politics in the Nei. This is what we do, fail. No wonder the tourist come here, they think we are just like South Park. Yes we are.
on October 28,2012 | 02:43AM
wiliki wrote:
If you disagree, then you run your own poll. Why should any company give out their valuable procedures so anyone else could contract to do the same thing? Perhaps the SA even contracted it out and has no information to give?
on October 28,2012 | 03:40AM
Truther wrote:
My poll results: 57% will vote Ben and 43% will for Caldwell. Ben wins, the people win, Oahu wins and rail loses.
on October 28,2012 | 03:58AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
As usual you prefer a made-up "alternative reality."
on October 28,2012 | 07:44AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
My polls, Pine ...91%.....Berg ....2%. Undecided....ones, go check YouTube, Apec,secret service,Berg.
on October 28,2012 | 10:31AM
NITRO08 wrote:
HELLO WAKE UP STOP CRYING IT'S OVER RAIL WINS BEN BACK TO RETIREMENT HONOLULU DON'T NEED YOU!
on October 28,2012 | 01:06PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Would you like to buy a couple of periods, or a comma or two?
on October 28,2012 | 03:06PM
wiliki wrote:
The SA spent a lot of staff, money and time to run this poll. Guessing doesn't count as a "poll".
on October 28,2012 | 03:27PM
aomohoa wrote:
All part of the corruption. Don't except the lies people. It's all paid for with millions of dirty money. If the rail was a good idea would all this negative propaganda be necessary. NO. The paid loggers are trying to slip this slimy c*#p down our throats.
on October 28,2012 | 04:29PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
wiliki wrote: "Why should any company give out their valuable procedures so anyone else could contract to do the same thing?"

The Civil Beat does exactly that. They release their exact scripts and precise methodology. It lets you know they are being honest and unbiased, and allows others to critique their methods. Anybody who stole "their valuable procedures" would be stealing the instructions on how to do an unbiased poll.
on October 28,2012 | 03:03PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Rail has been thought out over four decades. We now have a viable configuration that the public voted for, the City Council approved and the Federal Transit Administration concurred with. We cannot let the project fail on technicalities. We have to look at the big picture that rail transit is beneficial for our community in providing a better transportation alternative to being stuck in congested traffic and providing a boost to our economy with more development and jobs. Mr. Grabauskas is being very transparent in telling us what rail construction activities are being done. He was brought is to give us expertise so we can build the best world class rail system that we can get and accomplish it efficiently and cost-effectively. We are only hindering his progress with all these delays. We cannot let a strong vocal opposition minority keep bringing up new issues to detract from the rail project. If we stop rail now and accept the status quo, we are not losing only the cost of the several rail columns built. We are wasting all the time and efforts of many people over four decades and we are jeopardizing the future of our children and grandchildren. We need to build the rail system as we have come this far. Instead of opposition, let us all unite and get rail built “the right way” if people think this is not the case. Rail will get built because the majority still wants it. We can do it the right way if everybody is positive. The results now show that more and more people are realizing that rail is the right thing to do.
on October 28,2012 | 03:20AM
Truther wrote:
I'll translate what uke blue is cut and pasting:

Rail is a con job, but as long as I keep getting paid by the word to blog for PRP then I support the con job.


on October 28,2012 | 03:38AM
soundofreason wrote:
Con job AND shell game and we were ALL the marks who were played.

To refresh your memory, the question put to voters in 2008: “Shall the powers, duties and functions of the city, through its director of transportation services, include establishment of a steel wheel on steel rail transit system?”

Notice what the question wasn’t. To his credit, then-city councilmember Gary Okino wanted the ballot measure to be a more direct, yes-or-no, should we build a rail system question. Instead, what voters got was a lawyerly pretzel of prose in which the only operable verb was “include.” Read it again. The ballot question didn’t ask if rail should be established. At face value, the question, and its majority approval, did nothing but confirm that city transportation projects are a function of city government.

At best, putting such a question on the ballot was a waste of time. Of course, the city has the “power” to build rail. So what? The relevant question—should it build the current proposed project?—was not plainly asked.

Worse, it was a sham. As Honolulu Star-Bulletin reporter Laurie Au noted in 2008, even a “no” vote on that ballot measure, “would have [had] no legal power in stopping the city from continuing to build a mass transit system.”

Something to keep in mind when the city tells you rail was all your idea. reprinted from the HonoluluMagazine written by A. Kam Napier


on October 28,2012 | 07:42AM
itoboy wrote:
Come on - give us voters a little more credit. We knew exactly what we were voting for - go rail go! Why would you give someone the authority to build the rail if you don't want them to build it??? As for Laurie Au, my response is, then why did people vote in favor? They could have voted no or left it blank, but instead a majority voted yes.
on October 28,2012 | 08:20AM
pakeheat wrote:
Do you know what the result was in 2008? If you claim that rail is so great then why wasn't it more than 80% in favor for rail, yes, you can say that the majority did favor rail but the recent primary results showed otherwise. A blank vote would result in a "yes" vote if you didn't know that either.
on October 28,2012 | 11:54AM
wiliki wrote:
The newsmedia was all over this. If you still didn't know which way to vote, then you read no newspaper or weekly, saw no TV news, or heard no radio news. Itoboy is right.
on October 28,2012 | 03:32PM
soundofreason wrote:
Agreed. THAT much opposition was political suicide from the start.
on October 28,2012 | 06:16PM
itoboy wrote:
Hello? There's a Hawaii Supreme Court decision that says a blank votes count as a "no" vote. Duhh?? I think you are full of it calling my comments false and nonsense. It is you that needs to do research. BTW, mahalo for admitting "you can say that the majority did favor rail." Last time I checked, "majority" does not mean greater than 80%. I would respond to your comments about the primary election, but it's no use with you. Finally, I'm not saying rail is "so great." I said rail is a viable alternative. Go back and read before you make a fool of yourself.
on October 28,2012 | 11:16PM
soundofreason wrote:
Then you "voted" for a 3 billion dollar rail. Where is THAT?
on October 28,2012 | 06:15PM
aomohoa wrote:
Then why, if you weren't sure and didn't vote,did it count as a YES. YOU ID%#T! It was rigged!
on October 28,2012 | 09:30PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
@soundofreason Nice job of reporting!
on October 28,2012 | 08:28AM
soundofreason wrote:
Thanks
on October 28,2012 | 06:16PM
nitpikker wrote:
the "right" way is to build rail first THEN have new development come into the area. NOT build new housing first!
on October 28,2012 | 07:28AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
The "best" way to get more housing for Oahu would be for the developers to do whatever they want to do out of greed and then have them fail miserably when the rail fails miserably, go bankrupt, have the housing go into foreclosure, and we get housing cheap. Gotta keep thinking positive! =-)
on October 28,2012 | 08:51AM
wiliki wrote:
That would lead to urban sprawl. Rail is the way to go according to our 30 year planning. But more so because of all the studies and ridership projections that predict that rail fulfills our need to reduce future traffic congestion.
on October 28,2012 | 03:37PM
wiliki wrote:
Without good transportation, our economy will limp along.
on October 28,2012 | 03:30AM
Truther wrote:
The train is not good transportation; it's a money pit with wheels.
on October 28,2012 | 03:51AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
STEEL wheels that is...
on October 28,2012 | 08:29AM
aomohoa wrote:
Ugly noisy steel wheels!
on October 28,2012 | 04:30PM
itoboy wrote:
And Cayetano's plan is good transportation? "Stuff the already crowded roads with more buses, (with what money, I don't know), and when it gets really bad, build more roads including double-deckers" Oh, and roads and double-decker freeways are not money pits?
on October 28,2012 | 08:31AM
pakeheat wrote:
Nice try itoboy, I bet you haven't even studied or looked at Cayetano's plan, right?
on October 28,2012 | 11:55AM
wiliki wrote:
Ben's plan has so many obvious flaws and is so half-baked with very little studies done. What more can be said or done to read about it.
on October 28,2012 | 03:25PM
false wrote:
SA had mufi ahead in the polls. I'm sure the end results will be the same. GO BEN!
on October 28,2012 | 04:06AM
itoboy wrote:
Actually, SA had mufi clearly losing momentum towards the election. Mufi had a big lead towards the beginning of the election, then Tulsi caught up, and then Tulsi ran away with the election. Here, it was Cayetano with a big lead. Nobody even knew of Kirk or knew much about him. Caldwho? Kirk was in 3rd place. You cannot deny the momentum that Kirk has built up to a week before the election. I guess anything can happen within a week, but many like me and maybe some of the people who were part of this poll have already mailed their ballots.
on October 28,2012 | 08:26AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Everybody knows Kirk. He is Mufi Mini-Me. The Muff-Puppet. Mufi-Lite. We all know that and if we all elect him anyway well, we get what we deserve. But it is not because of some magical momentum.
on October 28,2012 | 08:36AM
pakeheat wrote:
No itoboy you got it backwards, it was Tulsi who? not Caldwell who? Boy are you confused about this subject. Here is one for you itoboy, supposed you lived in Waianae, I guess you don't mind driving off the H1 head into Kapolei and find a parking space, then catch the train at the first station, then endure 20 stops till you reach town, then hop on the bus again to get close to you're work destination, try to do this twice a day and five times a week, boy you will love this train ride, and then don't forget to drop in you're $10 bucks for each ride, LOL.
on October 28,2012 | 11:59AM
itoboy wrote:
Pakeheat - Caldwell was in last place and look where he is now. It's the momentum - something your candidate does not have, and neither did Mufi at this point before the election. And yes, if I lived in Waianae, I would rather drive to Kapolei and hop on the rail where I can sleep, read, etc. than wake up at 4 a.m. endure a 2 hour drive to the middle street merge so I can take this "flyover" and then pay to park downtown. Do you know how much gas cost RT to Waianae? What about wear and tear on your car? What about the cost to park downtown? What about when there's an accident on the freeway? And You think I'm confused? I won't stoop to your level to describe you.
on October 28,2012 | 11:25PM
false wrote:
Can you sleep standing up? Seating for 97, capacity of about 300. You could sleep. There would be fewer than 97 riding with you. GO BEN!
on October 29,2012 | 05:06AM
itoboy wrote:
So now you complaining about the seating? By complaining that there will be no seating, you are admitting people will take the rail. I'm sure the rail won't be perfect and can't please anyone, but it's an option people will take. Pakeheat said to pretend I live in Waianae and board the rail in Kapolei, so I would get a seat because I'd be at the beginning of the line.
on October 29,2012 | 08:37AM
Truther wrote:
Rail polling results: 62% for BRT, 18% for Rail, 8% for tricycles, 6% for walking, 6% for horse and buggy.
on October 28,2012 | 04:37AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
I hear some of those buggies will be equipped with bayonets.
on October 28,2012 | 08:30AM
polekasta wrote:
Take out the "somewhat agree and somewhat disagree" and you can see that the title to this story is wrong.
on October 28,2012 | 04:40AM
akuman808 wrote:
Okay SA, your survey of Filipino Americans who as a majorty depend on the Bus now favors rail??? Really... I have a bridge to nowhere in Nanakuli that I could sell you..
on October 28,2012 | 05:31AM
itoboy wrote:
Been to Manila lately?
on October 28,2012 | 11:19AM
pakeheat wrote:
What has Manila got to do it with it itoboy, you lost me?
on October 28,2012 | 12:00PM
itoboy wrote:
Since akuman808 mentioned Filipinos not favoring rail, I thought I'd mention Manila has a new rail transit system that is now very popular and has spawned plans for more routes. You do know Manila is the capital of the Philippines, right? Nobody ever thought public transportation would work in Manila, until they tried. Pakeheat - you been busting my chops - it seems like you need to get educated. If you want more info. on this topic., Dr. Raymond Liongson at UH can fill you in. Oh, I forgot, unlike me you are the master at doing research.
on October 28,2012 | 11:31PM
bigbud808 wrote:
Why don't they ever ask straight to the point "Are you FOR or AGAINST rail ?" ...l believe it is too overpriced and was set up with greed in mind. After all we've learned.... How the contract was given to the higher bidder and Also how shabbily it was pushed through with contracts signed before the PUBLIC could vote. and ALSO the way they say the money is from the federal government. WE are the government..... Because of this l stand against the rail. GO BEN!!!!!
on October 28,2012 | 05:50AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Have you EVER heard a Democratic answer a Yes or No question with a Yes or No? Dat's why.
on October 28,2012 | 08:31AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Al's a republican. Check one for Ben.
on October 28,2012 | 10:33AM
loquaciousone wrote:
The 7 billion dollar rail project is not about alleviating traffic -- it's all about GREED!
on October 28,2012 | 06:17AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
loq,check two.
on October 28,2012 | 10:33AM
itoboy wrote:
And proposing a plan to stuff more buses into the middle street merge at rush hour and creating double-decker roads and fly-overs is all about being a single-issue candidate who has no clue how to run the City. I actually liked Cayetano as Gov., but I don't think he has the passion to be fixing potholes, updating sewer lines, and replacing water mains - no matter what he says - otherwise he would have put a little more thought into his transit plan, which is woefully lacking.
on October 28,2012 | 11:24AM
pakeheat wrote:
thanks for you're OPINION itoboy, not a fact.
on October 28,2012 | 12:02PM
itoboy wrote:
Never said it was a fact. Isn't this the purpose - to share opinions? [I do know I donated to, campaigned, and voted for Cayetano in his two runs for Gov., but I'm not voting for him this time. And my business has NO government contracts.] Now that's a FACT (the bracketed material).
on October 28,2012 | 11:36PM
Kalli wrote:
This from the same paper that predicted Mufi would beat Tulsi by double digits. Also, in reading the questions and the answers I don't see how they add up to support for rail.In the end, filipinos will always vote for Ben.
on October 28,2012 | 06:19AM
dlg808 wrote:
BS story. Stick the rail where the sun don"t shine. Vote for Ben and end this rail madness !!!!
on October 28,2012 | 06:42AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
When you finally lose (again) will you have the dignity to just disappear?
on October 28,2012 | 07:45AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
If Caldwell wins, can the anti's protest and just leave Honolulu, so they don't have to pay for it? That's a win-win.
on October 28,2012 | 11:34AM
aomohoa wrote:
When Caldwell loses you'll be out of a job!
on October 28,2012 | 07:16PM
nitpikker wrote:
yes we need rail BUT!! if housing developers are using rail as an excuse to build more houses west of the H1/H2 merge then I have to ask; which do you think will be built first; the rail system or houses? the rail may take many years, maybe a decade before being put to use. how fast do you think the first houses will be built? and now we will suffer thru even worse traffic than ever before!! if we can have rail operational before any new housing then it makes sense. to have developers start up now makes no sense at all!
on October 28,2012 | 07:22AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
that is nitpicking.
on October 28,2012 | 11:34AM
Shh wrote:
Come on ...you know they always wanted more houses built out on the west for their second city plans and so they can force the Rail to be built to handle the mess of a traffic they will cause. It was bad thinking from the beginning. The taxpayers will be the ones that loses the most from all of this. GREED! It's ugly and they plan to make Hawaii ugly too!
on October 29,2012 | 11:26AM
DABLACK wrote:
Who are the pros that speak the truth ?? Will they have the "naau" to surface should the train fail ?? This island's people must think about trying to make this place like the BIG cities of the mainland. We do not have the numbers of habitants yet. Do we keep the "country" country ?? Who's going to pay for all this greed ?? We are taxed to the ying-yang now, What more can we pay ??
on October 28,2012 | 07:25AM
itoboy wrote:
Yeah keep the "country" country by voting for Cayetano's plan to stuff the already crowded roads with more buses and then building more roads and double-decker freeways.
on October 28,2012 | 08:38AM
pakeheat wrote:
What is Koa Ridge and Ho'opili itoboy? Urban sprawl, so is this what T.O.D. is suppose to do? Caldwell favors big development, and not keep the country country as you say.
on October 28,2012 | 12:04PM
itoboy wrote:
All I'm saying is building flyovers, adding lanes, and clogging the roads with more buses based on what Cayetano saw in LA is not keeping "country" country. I'll let you answer your own questions because I apparently don't have the answers you want.
on October 28,2012 | 11:41PM
itoboy wrote:
Go Rail Go! What alternative do we have in terms of transportation and alleviating traffic? We need options. Cayetano's BRT and double-decker roads will not work and will perpetuate this culture where we remain reliant on cars and gasoline. Cayetano's band-aid solution is not cheap either. Does he have federal funding to pay for his plan? Rail proponents have a sound plan with a mix of federal funding as well as local support in the form of a 1/2 of 1 percent increase that has already raised a ton of money. The idea that rail will bankrupt the City and quadruple property taxes are simply scare tactics. Every major City, even those with similar population bases like Portland, OR, have successfully integrated rail in their transportation systems. Even the SF Bay Area and Seattle are starting to incorporate rail. Furthermore, don't compare the total population, compare the population density of the area that rail serves. It's like forcing water through a tiny straw. We have a very densely populated area running the length of H-1 corridor. The best alternative option we have at this time is rail. Adding buses to the existing infrastructure will simply add to congestion. Finally, don't ask "will I ride the rail," ask how will people get around 20-30 years from now. If there is to be any growth on Oahu, we need an option. Too bad a lot of those people who oppose rail are those who bought into this piece of paradise and want to keep everything the same (i.e., no growth, which means no future for our keiki here - so they go to the mainland). Go Rail Go!
on October 28,2012 | 07:32AM
pakeheat wrote:
are you related to ukuleleblue, same nonsense and comparing apples and oranges, keep drinking that kool-aid itoboy.
on October 28,2012 | 12:05PM
itoboy wrote:
Is this the best you can do? Insults? No wonder your candidate is falling behind.
on October 28,2012 | 11:37PM
Venus1 wrote:
Great article!!!!
on October 28,2012 | 03:35PM
Eagle156 wrote:
The Iwi will kill the project. If the Kawaiahao church project has been shut down for three years because of just one burial site the hundreds more in the path of rail will thankfully save Honolulu from proceeding with this fiasco.
on October 28,2012 | 07:36AM
kailuabred wrote:
Facinating how rail opponents slam the SA when the numbers turn agains them, but not previously when the poll numbers for them. All credibility is lost when that happens. I'm anti-rail, but the slams against the SA are disappointing. Quit complaining and start acting.
on October 28,2012 | 07:49AM
TK451 wrote:
If rail does not move forward it's time for the next landfill and power plant to be on the Windward side. And we can pay for FAST by reducing the maintenance of or number of lanes on Kalanianaole Hwy.
on October 28,2012 | 08:08AM
niimi wrote:
I know many people who are planning to stop subscribing to the Honolulu Advertiser.
on October 28,2012 | 08:15AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
The SA suggests this is just a topical article on an important issue. But we all know it is the SA doing its best to influence results right before the election. All part of the full court press that has had every member of The Machine - past and present - come out and write op/eds and stump for the Crazy Train
on October 28,2012 | 08:33AM
aomohoa wrote:
552 polled, that doesn't mean anything. SA twists statics as usual.
on October 28,2012 | 09:12AM
Shh wrote:
exactly. We know that the poll was bias and not true.
on October 29,2012 | 11:20AM
808chubs wrote:
Bull kaka poll.
on October 28,2012 | 09:14AM
aomohoa wrote:
I'm glad my comment on Kevin Dayton went for approve. I want him to know my opinion.
on October 28,2012 | 09:25AM
luvshawaii wrote:
What a bunch of propaganda malarkey! I don't believe the good people of Oahu, those who are actually from here and have a vested love for Hawaii, would ever agree to such a monstrosity. More BS from those who love only money and lust for power.
on October 28,2012 | 09:38AM
cslater wrote:
A majority of those polled, 87/10, agree that, “the rail project will end up costing a lot more than is currently estimated. A majority, 50/47, disagree that the “jobs created will boost the economy so much that the cost of the project will be worth it.” A majority, 48/47 disagree with the statement that, “the rail system will result in a noticeable reduction in traffic.” A majority, 50/45, agree that, “something needs to be done about traffic, but an enhanced bus system is a better choice than rail.” A majority agree, 50/45, that, “work should proceed on O‘ahu’s rail system.” Huh?
on October 28,2012 | 10:26AM
Keone_Mikaele wrote:
This rail was not designed to be a "public transportation system" - It is an airport to West Oahu land development scheme.-- This is all about bring Asian investors to Hawaii for the next "Asia Investor Bubble"- mostly China, and getting them to dump their money into West Oahu Condos, Golf Courses, Casinos. --The local residents will quickly stop using the rail once they realize it takes them twice as long to get someplace, and that the rail stations are incredibly badly designed for "public transit"--_______Rail is really all about Dan Inouye's dream, with his big insider friends who will profit---for a an express railway from HNL to West Oahu land development schemes.---The Hawaii Public will be paying INCREASING TAXES to help big insiders get rich.-----That's why they needed to control the main "newspaper" to control the lies and propapganda. This is why there is the Public Land Development Corp, etc--- this is all a MASSIVE THEFT for land and money from the people of Hawaii.
on October 28,2012 | 12:05PM
niimi wrote:
The same newspaper that said Mufi would win big--twice now. And look what happened. Mufi lost twice, big both times.
on October 28,2012 | 11:30AM
Kaleo744 wrote:
Well here we go again, what the SA got together with JW and planned all this fake trump false statements, yea all of a "SUDDEN" this tell mes youre all running worried and scared so this is last minute desperation tactics.... DAYTON AND BJ come on you guys be real... because these stories aren't.
on October 28,2012 | 12:27PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Its an expected statistics favoring Kirk due to Carlisle supporters favoring rails; otherwise, as the SA says, the survey results today is no way an absolute predictor of the real general election results.
on October 28,2012 | 12:38PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
The Filipinos are giving a head fake.....pretend pro-rail and then...kaboom....vote Ben. Sly, these guys.
on October 28,2012 | 01:26PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Ben knows the race will be very close, so 552 sampled voters do not give a good picture. The general election will determine the true voters preference choice for mayor.
on October 28,2012 | 02:57PM
ChaelSonnen wrote:
I guess people are starting to see through Ben's scare tactics. He never intended to build his FAST plan. Just get elected, kill rail then forget about it. He knows there were too many hurdles with his unfunding project which is why his costs estimates are so muddled and unclear.
on October 28,2012 | 01:02PM
Venus1 wrote:
Right on!!!
on October 28,2012 | 03:32PM
itoboy wrote:
I wouldn't even call what Cayetano proposed a plan. It had very little thought and analysis - he seriously thinks people are going to buy into it. Is it a coincidence the anti-rail people here haven't said much about FAST?. Had he thought about it earlier (like a year ago) and proposed a viable solution instead of focusing only on killing rail, I would actually consider supporting him.
on October 28,2012 | 11:48PM
NITRO08 wrote:
CAN'T WAIT FOR NOV 6 NO MORE ANTI RAIL IDIOTS, BEN BACK TO RETIREMENT KIRK IS THE MAYOR!!!! ALL OF YOU IDIOTS STOP CRYING AND ENJOY THE RAIL!
on October 28,2012 | 01:10PM
aomohoa wrote:
NITRO you're about to explode as usual. Go take your meds. poor sicko!
on October 28,2012 | 07:18PM
Johnmakiki wrote:
I wonder how many of the rail's opponents have ever gone to a city where rail exists and works, like San Francisco or Vancouver? Rail decreases traffic, speeds commute times, creates new hubs for apartment buildings, stores and in effect, new cities along the route. If people genuinely wish to save the aina and farmland for future generations some kind of rail is inevitable. If just one city councilwoman had supported it in 1992 we would have rail right now, and for a lot less money.
on October 28,2012 | 02:20PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
"If just one city councilwoman had supported it in 1992 we would have rail right now, and for a lot less money."

Can you imagine what a rail system built in 1992 would look like today the way Honolulu ignores its roads, parks, sewers, and water? We'd be lucky if we could use the tracks to dry fish.
on October 28,2012 | 03:14PM
Venus1 wrote:
Ann the 'confused councilwoman started this!!! She should not be re elected!!!!
on October 28,2012 | 03:32PM
pakeheat wrote:
Johnmakiki, you mentioned other cities, please tell us the similarity, not why it works or exists?
on October 28,2012 | 04:29PM
aomohoa wrote:
In San Francisco it is starting to fall apart and there is no money to fix it. Same with Washington DC. I have been to many many cities with rail. It is noisy and dirty! It's fairly efficient in Japan there are millions and millions of people. It's like getting on a cattle car though. Oh the only time it runs off schedule is when some jumps. They were are voted some of the most unhappy people in the world.
on October 28,2012 | 07:23PM
itoboy wrote:
I don't think any of those places have any regrets about building rail. In some of those places, society would crumble without the rail system. Also, it's not about comparing the total population; compare the population density of the area served by rail. Our H-1 corridor is quite densely populated - that's why we're up to 5-6 lanes each direction at some points. It's like forcing water through a straw. It's all about how much water you can force through the straw over a given time period, not necessarily the total volume of water.
on October 29,2012 | 12:00AM
itoboy wrote:
Let's just say I've lived in other place besides Honolulu - for anonymity purposes I won't tell you exactly where. From a small neighbor island town to one of the country's largest metropolis as well as a city in between with about 1.3 Million people (just a few hundred thousand more than Oahu but a lot less in density), rail has been an integral part of the transportation system (except for that small neighbor island town. This is part of the reason I believe although rail is not a panacea, it is a viable option for Honolulu.
on October 28,2012 | 11:55PM
Venus1 wrote:
Great news to hear that the Filipino community is not blindly following Ben!!!! Ben has nothing to offer. He may mean well but he is lost along with his lost friend Councilwoman Ann!! Kirk is a true leader!!!
on October 28,2012 | 03:28PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Even if Ben is not elected, rail will die. Thing is, Ben has the alternative. With Kirk, when rail is kaput, there is no Plan B.
on October 28,2012 | 04:06PM
Shh wrote:
Yeah but the people will have to pay for all the wasted money they put out for the big mistake of Rail.
on October 29,2012 | 11:16AM
aomohoa wrote:
Let see: What do the pro rail people have to gain? MONEY MONEY MONEY! What do the anti rail people have to gain? If the rail is stopped all we get is being able to keep out beautiful Island. . Think about it!
on October 28,2012 | 04:56PM
ricky wrote:
If the rail is a way we can get back some federal dollars (our taxes) then let's get some of our federal tax back in our back yard When was the last time got some dollars back
on October 28,2012 | 03:40PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Every single day, ricky, every single day.
on October 28,2012 | 04:07PM
Shh wrote:
Who cares about getting the federal money. You want to see that ugly monstrous of a loud machine on your island? It will look ridiculous and even more ridiculous when no one is riding it. The people will be the ones that pay in the end.
on October 29,2012 | 11:19AM
Paulh808 wrote:
Baloney, thinking people do not believe this fabrication. Nice try SA, but no cigar!
on October 28,2012 | 04:18PM
aomohoa wrote:
When you break down this poll, it's like saying today it's a lot cooler than last month when it's changed by a degree or two. It's meaningless and also flawed. As I said SA is very biased. We don't get objective truth out of them. They are owned by the Union just like Caldwell!
on October 28,2012 | 04:23PM
aomohoa wrote:
Let see: What do the pro rail people have to gain? MONEY MONEY MONEY! What do the anti rail people have to gain? If the rail is stopped all we get is being able to keep out beautiful Island. . Think about it!
on October 28,2012 | 04:55PM
Ronin006 wrote:
The story's title reads "Rail pulls back into favor among voters," but the statistics show otherwise. Who is the SA trying to fool by its lousy reporting?
on October 28,2012 | 05:17PM
aomohoa wrote:
SA was bought out and Caldwell is corrupt!
on October 28,2012 | 09:34PM
wobegone wrote:
I remember a councilman who had my respect and wonder what his position on the rail is? Does Al Morgado believe the rail will benefit our Island? Al, is this the best mass transit option for our community? Who am I to believe??
on October 28,2012 | 06:41PM
MariaBetty wrote:
If it was such a great idea, why was it not a public / private partnership? Till this day no transparency on cost to ride, operation and maintenance, down town segment and how much taxes we are expected to pay for something we will wait 20 years in traffic for. People ought to read the fleecing of this project instead of watching TV.
on October 28,2012 | 07:43PM
aomohoa wrote:
We can only hope people open that eyes and do there own research MariaBetty:)
on October 28,2012 | 09:36PM
BrianandKayeWalsh wrote:
Your graphic is very deceptive. The NO bars are ALL lower than the YES bars, even though the highest NO bar is 53%, while the highest YES bar is only 50%. In fact, your 44% YES bar is taller than your 50% NO bar. What is up with that?
on October 28,2012 | 10:43PM
svache wrote:
Exactly.. I never seen such biased reporting before in my life. I don't care whether someone is in favor or against rail, showing pictures like this to influence the public is just not right.
on October 29,2012 | 09:25AM
BTO wrote:
Here is a link to a solution to our problems. Let's put several hundred thousand bicycles and mopeds on Oahu roads. It will be cleaner , low cost, beautiful and everyone will get closer. http://ecologicalurbanliving.blogspot.com/2010/11/china-lost-kingdom-of-bicycles.html
on October 28,2012 | 10:48PM
itoboy wrote:
At least rail has some money raised and committed. Rail can also generate rev through fares - not saying it's going to generate a profit, but at least there is some possibility of offset. Where's the money for the flyover? What about the cancellation penalties?
on October 28,2012 | 11:05PM
Shh wrote:
We all know that this is a scheme by SA in hopes to sway the votes over to Caldwell. I wouldn't believe these made up results because we all know that majority of the people of Hawaii do not want to see Rail built. Not only that. Every time Pro Rail people even the SA are desperate, they will write an article that is false on the weekend because they know that majority of the Anti-rail people will not be reading the article. So my guess is that the voting and results was done over the weekend so that when the Pro Rail people came back to read the paper on Monday, they would be upset and think that they were really behind in the Mayor's race. Come on! We know this whole poll was fixed!
on October 29,2012 | 11:12AM
JanetMason wrote:
What's up with that bar graph - it's terrible! You should have grouped pro, con and undecided by month, or you should have used a line graph to show the trend for each option. It's also innacurate. If the poll showed 50% saying "don't proceed on rail" in July 2012 and 43% saying proceed in July 2012, the bar for "don't proceed" should have been taller than that for "proceed."
on October 29,2012 | 09:56PM
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