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Debate over rail’s future flares after court ruling

By Gordon Y.K. Pang

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LAST UPDATED: 08:17 a.m. HST, Nov 03, 2012


Supporters and opponents of the city’s $5.26 billion rail project continue to disagree over the impact of a ruling by a federal court judge on Thursday that orders transit officials to do more work before proceeding.

Mayoral candidate Ben Caye­tano, who has vowed to kill the project if elected Tuesday, said visiting U.S. District Judge A. Wallace Tashima’s decision will lead to the city needing to redo its final environmental impact statement and record of decision before continuing with the rail project, something that would add a considerable amount of time, effort and money.

“It shows to the public that this project was rushed so badly that the city didn’t do the work it was supposed to do,” the former governor said at a news conference Friday.

He said the city’s claim that Tashima’s ruling was a victory for the project was “a little disingenuous.”

He added, “I see this as a victory for us.”

But outgoing Mayor Peter Carlisle and other rail advocates said Caye­tano is overstating the impact of Tashima’s ruling to try to score points with voters in the waning days of a close election fight with opponent Kirk Caldwell.

Cayetano “is trying to blow up the parts of the ruling that suit his purposes,” Carlisle said. “While the city did not win completely on all of the major points, the truth is that the issues that remain can and will be addressed in a responsible manner.”

The 45-page decision by Tashima sided with the city on all but three of 57 points of concern raised in the 2011 lawsuit against the city filed by Caye­tano and other rail opponents.

Supporters and opponents put the three remaining points under the magnifying glass Friday, Specifically, the judge said, the city “failed to complete reasonable efforts to identify” traditional cultural properties along the proposed 20-mile rail line and must do so now; must re-evaluate the possibility of putting a tunnel under Beretania Street as an alternative to a portion of the elevated rail line; and reconsider the impact the project will have on Kakaako’s Mother Waldron Park.

Supporters and opponents of rail differ vastly on the interpretation of the three points.

“It will set the project back … and it may kill the project,” Caye­tano said, noting that he expects Tashima to hear a motion Dec. 12 seeking a permanent injunction preventing the project from advancing — ever.

Carlisle and other city officials have wrongly portrayed the corrections being sought by Tashima as “a very simple task for them,” Caye­tano said. “We don’t think that’s the case.”

Cayetano said that even if a request for a permanent injunction is unsuccessful, the need for a supplemental EIS would likely delay a Federal Transit Administration decision to provide $1.55 billion for the project. Such a process could take months of study and public hearings.

“This project, for all the assurances given to the public, is really based financially on a house of cards,” Caye­tano said, adding that the details pointed out by Tashima are just the latest examples of project mismanagement.

But Daniel Grabauskas, executive director of the Hono­lulu Authority for Rapid Transit, said “nothing in the judge’s ruling requires a supplemental EIS.”

Some of the additional information being sought “we actually have; we just simply didn’t collect it and insert it into the EIS, so we just need to do that,” he said. “Nothing that we’ve seen here says that we can’t do this in a timely fashion.”

Grabauskas believes the work could be done within the nine to 12 months still needed to complete an archaeological survey for the entire rail line ordered by the Hawaii Supreme Court as a result of a separate lawsuit. All construction on the project was halted in August and cannot begin again until the survey is completed.

Carlisle said city officials have not yet spoken to FTA officials about how Tashima’s ruling will affect the timeline for its final decision on the $1.55 billion because the federal officials are busy dealing with the devastation caused by last week’s storm on the East Coast.

Caldwell, in a news release, said Caye­tano is distorting the impact of the judge’s order. “By his own words, this is clearly last-minute electioneering, and I think voters are smarter than that.”

Judge's decision in rail transit lawsuit






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MalamaKaAina wrote:
Another wooden stake into the HART of the Titanic rail fiasco from no where to no where and much more than a blight!
on November 3,2012 | 01:35AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
Goodbye Peter!
on November 3,2012 | 01:46AM
what wrote:
Honolulu Rail is a disaster. These problems were predictable and avoidable, yet city leaders like Kirk Caldwell, who has been part of rail from the beginning, continue on the path of giving BILLIONS OF WASTED OAHU TAXPAYER DOLLARS to rail special interests. This project is, per capita, per taxpayer, the most ridiculously expensive rail project in the world by a factor of several times!! It is time to pull the plug on the current fiasco and plan a better more SANE transit project. The people of Honolulu and Oahu deserve better.
on November 3,2012 | 01:49AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
There are a lot of average locals who are struggling to own a house on Oahu. The only areas they can afford are on the west side and they are working two to three jobs to pay the mortgage. Because the affordable housing is far from downtown, they also have to suffer long commutes in congested traffic which diminishes their quality of life. Rail will provide jobs for more locals to own homes and also make the commute easier. Rail will take some cars off the road and people can ride the train if they don’t want to drive. The cost of the rail project has been structured such that our community can afford it. The feds are subsidizing $1.5 billion. Rail and transit oriented development will boost our economy so more people will have work. Why do some people want to deprive locals of having a better life? We are afraid that rich people, especially foreigners will squeeze us out. When housing is unaffordable, only rich people can live here. Rail will help the local people stay here and have a better life in the best place in the world.
on November 3,2012 | 04:21AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
We need rail and the special rail funding gives us the opportunity to get it. Rail is for world-class cities. Rail is a desirable infrastructure to improve our transportation for the future. The rail tax should not be used for anything else. Any type of modified bus plan is a waste of the special funding already set for rail. Sure we could use improvements to our bus system but these should be to improve the integration of buses into operation with rail. Rail will be the primary mover of the masses of passengers as buses circulating the neighborhoods feed into the rail trunk line. An all-bus system which uses roadways which are in competition with other vehicles will never be the standard in world-class urban areas. Right now we have the opportunity to build a modern high-speed high capacity rail line with the help of special funding. We get $1.5 billion from the FTA which discounts the cost. We also have the half percent general excise tax where non-residents such as tourists help us pay for rail. Rail is an opportunity for a better future for our children and grandchildren. Don’t listen to naysayers who are probably rich people accepting of the status quo because they already have the resources to live the way they want now. Rail is for the rest of us average locals who will benefit from better transportation and a better economy resulting from more jobs from rail construction and transit oriented development. We have rail funding and we should not waste the opportunity to build rail.
on November 3,2012 | 04:22AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
another post of false facts by a PRP blogger - like I said you should be looking for a new job...Rails finished!
on November 3,2012 | 05:40AM
OldDiver wrote:
What can we properly conclude here. 1. The Judge ruled nearly every count had no merit. 2. The cultural site count is already being worked on and will be completed early next year. 3. The Beretania tunnel will be prohibitively expensive and dismissed as an option. 4. The park in question is little used and will accommodated for. This is a clear victory for the pro-rail side. Trying to spin it any other is the effort of a delusional campaign.
on November 3,2012 | 07:03AM
OldDiver wrote:
At one to two billion a mile it won't be difficult to show a tunnel under King or Beretania Streets makes no sense. People forget digging below the water table and accommodating for the streams which cross King and Beretania is not feasible. This count will be easily countered by the city and properly dismissed.
on November 3,2012 | 07:14AM
OldDiver wrote:
The park is question will be studied and accommodated for. This will end the frivolous suit from Ben Cayetano. Ben will be free to retire and stew in his frustrated anger.
on November 3,2012 | 07:19AM
what wrote:
ukuleleblue, you know nothing about "average Hawaii locals" on the Waianae coast. You insult them when you say they don't want to own cars and would rather spend their money riding rail. If you knew anything you would know that they want to own big shiny new SUVs and ride into town in style and comfort.
on November 3,2012 | 11:51AM
1local wrote:
Cayetano will 'take care' of PRP once he is elected.
on November 3,2012 | 06:02AM
OldDiver wrote:
Another part if the suit, the AIS is being worked on as we speak. It will be completed early next year and will be dismissed by the court at that time.
on November 3,2012 | 07:16AM
Malani wrote:
OD, remember this. The cost for this rail is already sky high and will get worse. Those involved in allowing the work to continue bit by bit, cockroaching laws to rush to get it done is bringing it upon themsleves to cost us tax payers to bleed. Besides all the reasons for not wanting rail the cost alone should give the people of Hawaii an eye opener and see what they will be paying for the rest of their lives. Nothing breaks the heart to pay for something one will not use or receive. Me, I'm optimistic to say,fight the good fight and the people will get their wish come true, NO RAIL.
on November 3,2012 | 11:35AM
Kuniarr wrote:
No, we do not need Rail. It is an alternative to Stop-And-Go traffic congestion which can actually be prevented from happening. In other words, No congestion, No Rail.
on November 3,2012 | 04:14PM
Malani wrote:
Ukuleleblue, your bubble is gonna burst. Rich is only temporary and even they one day will not have any money to buy or sell. So instead of trying to convince the people that those opposed to rail is trying to "deprive locals, or foreigners will squeeze us out, and only rich people can live here," tell the locals that the only reason this may happen is because this rail will cause these locals to continue to have their taxes deducted to pay for it. These taxes will surely take the food out of the mouths of the locals along with the roof over their heads.
on November 3,2012 | 07:42AM
wondermn1 wrote:
the average locals will not be helped by RAIL but instead will be TAXED TO DEATH. ukuboo is wrong, wrong ,wrong
on November 3,2012 | 07:46AM
DPK wrote:
Keep UKU away from sharp objects next Wednesday.
on November 3,2012 | 08:09AM
Shh wrote:
Protect the future of your kids and vote for BEN! He cares about Hawaii and would want what is best for you and your kids. He wants to destroy that ridiculous plan for rail and we appreciate him stopping this project for us!! GO BEN GO!!!
on November 5,2012 | 02:22PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Update your resume, Uke. You are about to lose your job at HART as it goes out of business.
on November 3,2012 | 08:18AM
niimi wrote:
How can they afford their house if property taxes got'ta rise because of the expensive rail o&M costs? Forget the Fed's $1.5 Billion; that is peanuts. The ongoing costs of maintaining the darn thing is what is going to dwarf construction. Get that through your thick heads out there.
on November 3,2012 | 08:47AM
Kuniarr wrote:
ukuleleblue has been baiting all of us with the same garbage word for word. (Oct. 18, 24, 25, Nov. 3)
on November 3,2012 | 10:57AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Honolulu did not, does not, will not need Rail as an alternative to Traffic.

We do not need Rail to avoid Sitting For Hours in Traffic. Or the H1 becoming a huge parking lot.

Traffic Relief on the H1 could have long been accomplished even before Rail was even contemplated.

For when the US stepped into the year 2001, the 21st Century, the State Department of Transportation of the US have began developing a system for Traffic Relief on State and Inter-State Highways.

Today, many State DOT has brought Traffic Relief on many highways such as on H-26 in Portland, Oregon; I-4 in Orlando, Florida; on I-285 in Atlanta, Georgia; on I-5 and I-405 in Portland, Oregon among others.

All that was needed to provide Traffic Relief on the H1 was bring over and apply what the State DOT of Florida, Oregon, Georgia, Washington, etc. to Honolulu on the H1.

And in this election year of 2012, F.A.S.T. is bringing over to Honolulu just what we all need - Traffic Relief on H1 by adopting what the State DOTs have been using to bring Traffic Relief on State and Inter-State highways.
on November 3,2012 | 11:31AM
rsgea wrote:
No waiting required. RAIL IS A DISASTER ALREADY HAPPENING
on November 3,2012 | 07:05AM
Malani wrote:
Don't forget we give the credit to those who worded the deceiving words that got the people to vote what they never expected. We need to keep a list of them to make sure we don't vote them back in. They sit in silence and think we the public forgot about them. Its those closet types that we need to be aware of.
on November 3,2012 | 07:34AM
wondermn1 wrote:
STOP THE RAIL IN ITS TRACKS, the waste of our TAX MONEY to create a welfare program for a certain number of contractors is a horrible idea. those who are unable to compete on other jobs for whatever reason are looking at WASTING over 5-10 Billion dollars on a BOONDOGGLE RAIL system that was shoved down our throats and sold to Honolulu with lies, lies and more lies. It does not take a rocket scientist to see the route is wrong and the number of people who this RAIL will help is a very small group who use the BUS at this time. Vote Ben for our future. Go Ben Go
on November 3,2012 | 07:44AM
Malani wrote:
Yes what, the problems could have been avoidable. But they elected to hire a contractor who seem not to know what he is doing. What is happening now alot of moneywasted for delays and we will be paying for it even when there is no rail. So everyone who changed their mind and do not want rail this coming Tuesday vote NO and NO. Oh yeah, a Contractor who knows what he is doing does not say we might go underground or find some other way.
on November 3,2012 | 11:46AM
Shh wrote:
I agree! VOTE FOR BEN!! We don't want to see the biggest mistake Hawaii has ever made to be completed. This rail project needs to stop once and for all!
on November 5,2012 | 02:20PM
what wrote:
Honolulu Rail is a disaster. These problems were predictable and avoidable, yet city leaders like Kirk Caldwell, who has been part of rail from the beginning, continue on the path of giving BILLIONS OF WASTED OAHU TAXPAYER DOLLARS to rail special interests. This project is, per capita, per taxpayer, the most ridiculously expensive rail project in the world by a factor of several times!! It is time to pull the plug on the current fiasco and plan a better more SANE transit project. The people of Honolulu and Oahu deserve better.
on November 3,2012 | 01:46AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
"These problems" are frivolous lawsuits brought by opponents that have wasted millions of tax dollars. The rail project will deliver a wide array of benefits to the people of this island, including relief from traffic congestion, a quick, affordable and safe way to travel and a land use plan that preserves rural areas and green space. The money spent will boost economy for everyone, including thousands of workers and the merchants who supply them and the project with everything from concrete to plate lunches.
on November 3,2012 | 05:52AM
OldDiver wrote:
Ben Cayetano's campaign was based on the frivolous. Best he retire an angry old man.
on November 3,2012 | 07:11AM
wondermn1 wrote:
OldDribble speaks again with lies and insults and he wonders why we call him OldDribble
on November 3,2012 | 08:07AM
OldDiver wrote:
Is wondermn1 being a pot?
on November 3,2012 | 08:44AM
wondermn1 wrote:
People, we are getting down to the deadline we need to OPEN our eyes and see throught smoke and whisles and wonder why would the contractors throw so much money at trying to stop the people who are trying to stop the RAIL. Are they worried about us, THE TAX PAYER, or are they worried that they may have to actually work on a project that would help the island like perhaps our sewar system,bridges or roads or maybe our education system? we still have un-airconditioned public schools on the ewa plains, (Barbers Point elementary)How about helping small business with the high electric/water bills or maybe even create a real second city and university in Kapolei rather than a bedroom community. Hoopili and Koa Ridge are both to large and in the wrong place for this islands future. THINK AND VOTE BERG & BEN
on November 3,2012 | 08:05AM
DPK wrote:
BB: so you say rail will an affordable way to travel. How much will a ticket cost? Pro railers never address this basic question.
on November 3,2012 | 08:12AM
Pocho wrote:
They no kea what the ticket costs. Taxpayers will take care of the subsidizing the cost to run DaRail. IMO, it'll never be self suffiecient
on November 3,2012 | 11:48AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. FYI, BluesBreaker, Honolulu did not nor does not need Rail as an alternative to traffic congestion.

Nor does Rail have the capability to bring Traffic Relief on the H1.

Traffic congestion on the H1 occurs
(1) when one or two lanes on the H1 is closed because of an accident or when emergency work is being don on the H1 or when vehicles exiting the H1 get clogged on one lane because the exit ramp is clogged with vehicles
(2) when lots of vehicles merge into the h1 from another source such as from ramps or from another highway (such as H2 or Moanalua)

What all rail bloggers are not aware of is that all these 2 situations that causes Traffic Congestion which is impossible to prevent from happening with Rail - is possible with the system used by the State DOT of many in the US to bring traffic relief on State or Inter-State Highways such as H-26, I-4, I-5, I-405, I-285, etc.

What Mufi Hannemann and the City Council were not aware of was that THERE WAS NO NEED NOR NEVER A NEED FOR RAIL as an alternative to traffic congestion. BECAUSE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ITSELF COULD BE PREVENTED FROM HAPPENING with the system developed by the DOT of many states of the US.
on November 3,2012 | 11:52AM
kainalu wrote:
More like a rubber stake. LOL. The only thing that's going to come of all of this is an increase in the price tag of the project, aka, the tax-payers pay more.
on November 3,2012 | 08:52AM
niimi wrote:
Cancel SA subscription by calling 538-6397. This is how you show your disapproval of the biased news reporting.
on November 3,2012 | 09:00AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
Another wooden stake into the HART of the Titanic rail fiasco from no where to no where and much more than a blight!
on November 3,2012 | 01:37AM
iansuen wrote:
You said the exact same thing twice in this article. What the heck is wrong with you?? Is someone missing their medication today??
on November 3,2012 | 04:48AM
Wazdat wrote:
What a JOKE this city is. We CAN'T afford rail. WAKE UP and fix the dam ROADS.
on November 3,2012 | 01:40AM
RichardCory wrote:
We don't have too many dams in Hawaii. No need to spend that much money fixing any of their roads.
on November 3,2012 | 06:09AM
Wazdat wrote:
Yes Peter the voters are smarter than that. That is why you LOST and that is why Kirk will LOSE.

GO BEN GO


on November 3,2012 | 01:41AM
BRUDDAHS wrote:
Did you see the tv commercial Of Peter Carlisle endorsing Curt Caldwell for mayor? This spot should be paid for by the Cayatano campaign and run over and over again. Peter should ride off into the sunset and never come back. What a loser.
on November 3,2012 | 07:07AM
FrankGenadio wrote:
So Mr. Grabauskas does not think that a supplemental EIS that includes an examination of a tunnel under Beretania or King is needed. What if the judge says otherwise in December? More than three years ago I suggested a re-alignment of the elevated guideway to a route mauka of downtown Honolulu. That would have addressed two major concerns, view planes along the waterfront and avoidance of many of the human remains in the downtown and Kaka'ako areas. I was, of course, ignored, first by (then) Mayor Hannemann, then by Mayor Carlisle, and more recently by candidate Caldwell. If Mr. Caldwell wins the election but the judge still orders a re-evaluation in December, I will be advocating for the EIS to (finally) address something that was ignored in the current document: The Notice of Intent for the Honolulu project EIS—published in the Federal Register years ago—stated that “The draft EIS would consider five distinct transit technologies: Light rail transit, rapid rail transit, rubber-tired guided vehicles, a magnetic levitation system, and a monorail system.” Perhaps rail can still be done right.
on November 3,2012 | 02:44AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
After long discussion it was determined by the experts that an elevated rail is the best configuration for Honolulu. The elevated rail has its own grade-separated right-of-way and can operate at much higher speeds without being impeded from other vehicles and other hazards at ground level. The trains can carry many more passengers than the articulated BRT buses. The high platform trains have doors that do not require steps and can load and unload faster. Elevated rail is obviously better for speed and safety. A bonus is that the riders would be provided with a nice ocean or mountain view from up high. Unfortunately we do not have extra land to dedicate an exclusive area for a light rail line such as in Boston, San Francisco or San Jose where light rail operates on a reservation in the middle of wide streets or other separate right of way. A light-rail (streetcar) system is an at-grade rail which would operate at slower speeds since it would encounter cross traffic at intersections. The rail alignment would also have to be fenced in for safety from people trying to cross the tracks between stops. Limited access to cross the light rail route would cause inconvenience to pedestrians and surface vehicles. At grade construction also requires more surface digging than elevated structures and can encounter more possible burial sites. At this point to continue the discussion on the type of rail only serves to delay and possibly kill the project. We need the rail and should keep building the Kapolei to Ala Moana route as planned without further delays which only add to the cost. An at grade rail extension on Kalanianaole Highway down the middle to Hawaii Kai might be nice for the future however.
on November 3,2012 | 04:26AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
more lies and distortions brought to you by our ususal paid blogger for PRP! RAIL IS FINISHED
on November 3,2012 | 05:40AM
false wrote:
They wouldn't waste money on the blue man. Always the usual blah, blah, blah.
on November 3,2012 | 06:01AM
wondermn1 wrote:
How can the MONSTER CHOO CHOO RUN FAST UKEULELEBOO, IT HAS TO STOP EVERY MILE OF SO? In order to stop it must slow down gradually or throw the pasengers to the FRONT of the CHOO CHOO and then when it takes off it must also do this gradually or it will throw the passengers to the BACK of the CHOO CHOO. Every time I look at the design and the route is gets me angry that the developers and the powers that be designed this thing for one purpose and one purpose only TO RIPP OFF HAWAII TAX PAYERS .
on November 3,2012 | 07:55AM
inverse wrote:
uku LIAR. A light rail system can be elevated. FACT is a HEAVY rail steel on steel wheel system like the Ansa ldo train is completely inappropriate for Oahu. Maintenance of a such a system in a tropical climate, salt air environment will be a maintenance nightmare but will make big $$$$ in maintenance for Asal do, all at Hawaii taxpayers expense. The Aloha stadium 'steel on steel' corrosion nightmare will pale in comparison to the train trying to be built by Cald well and company.
on November 3,2012 | 08:37AM
niimi wrote:
San Jose stopped doing any more steal on steal rail, instead going with BRT only thereafter. This has been going on since 2008 with tremendous success. Much cheaper to implement. BRT is much quieter. BRT is less expensive to maintain.
on November 3,2012 | 08:49AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Honolulu did not nor does not need Rail as an alternative to traffic congestion.

Nor does Rail have the capability to bring Traffic Relief on the H1.

Traffic congestion on the H1 occurs
(1) when one or two lanes on the H1 is closed because of an accident or when emergency work is being don on the H1 or when vehicles exiting the H1 get clogged on one lane because the exit ramp is clogged with vehicles
(2) when lots of vehicles merge into the h1 from another source such as from ramps or from another highway (such as H2 or Moanalua)

What all rail bloggers are not aware of is that all these 2 situations that causes Traffic Congestion which is impossible to prevent from happening with Rail - is possible with the system used by the State DOT of many in the US to bring traffic relief on State or Inter-State Highways such as H-26, I-4, I-5, I-405, I-285, etc.

What Mufi Hannemann and the City Council were not aware of was that THERE WAS NO NEED NOR NEVER A NEED FOR RAIL as an alternative to traffic congestion. BECAUSE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ITSELF COULD BE PREVENTED FROM HAPPENING with the system developed by the DOT of many states of the US.
on November 3,2012 | 11:58AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Long before Rail was even contemplated for Honolulu by so-called "experts", Traffic Relief on State and Inter-State highways was already a fact of life. For State DOTs found a way to prevent the stop-and-go Traffic Congestion from happening

That is why there never was a need for Rail, nor do we need Rail now.

F.A.S.T. intendes to adopt what State DOTs of the US have been using to prevent stop-and-go Traffic Congestion from happening.

We do not need Rail. Never did. Rail is just a waste of taxpayer monies. It is much easier and far better to prevent stop-and-go Traffic congestion from ever happening using what State DOT have been doing to bring Traffic Relief on State and Inter-State Highways. We need more intelligence, particularly 21st Century intelligence, in addressing our Transportation problems. Not with antiquated and out-moded thinking such as Rail.
on November 3,2012 | 12:12PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
An supplemental EIS is only required if the tunnel is actually going to be built. All HART and City have to do is show their analysis of why the tunnel was rejected. Since the King St. tunnel was rejected for excessive cost and other reasons, it stands to reason that rejecting the more costly Beretania St. tunnel will be relatively easy on the basis of cost, not to mention a host of other impacts, from iwi kupuna to extensive condemnation of land for stations and other infrastructure.
on November 3,2012 | 05:57AM
OldDiver wrote:
At one to two billion a mile it won't be difficult to show a tunnel under King or Beretania Streets makes no sense. People forget digging below the water table and accommodating for the streams which cross King and Beretania is not feasible.
on November 3,2012 | 07:08AM
ammb3 wrote:
The entire rail project is classified as, "excessive cost"!
on November 3,2012 | 11:27AM
Kuniarr wrote:
We need 21st century intelligence to solve our transportation problems. Not with antiquated and out-moded intelligence. Such as the kind that justifies Rail in Honolulu in this the 21st Century.

While other States have been preventing the occurrence of stop-and-go Traffic Congestion on State and Inter-State highways with 21st century technology, what we have here in Honolulu is Rail which is only an alternative to traffic congestion and is incapable of preventing Stop-And-Go Traffic Nightmare of a Congestion from ever happening.
on November 3,2012 | 12:18PM
inverse wrote:
No Genadio, rail will NEVER be done right with the the likes of Mu fi, cald well, grabber, hor ner, oki naga, etc. it is and was all about grabbing $$$$$$$ at taxpayer expense and they will NEVER up itali an company's Ans aldo HEAVY rail system. t This was also about property owners like Fi rt Haw n bank to use land for not only the elecated rail itself but development of super skyscrapers in Kakaako and the mega urban sprawl development if ho opili. Maybe in a decade or two when possibly HON EST politicians are put in office can such a project for Oahu ever be revisted again.
on November 3,2012 | 08:28AM
FrankGenadio wrote:
Let me add something that was overlooked and (basically) started off the city's campaign of disinformation aimed at obtaining only a steel wheels on steel rails (SWSR) system. The following is taken verbatim from my specific comments on the draft EIS: The City’s standard response in letters to those who commented on technology during the scoping process states the following: “Vehicle and system technologies will not be selected prior to the draft Environmental Impact Statement. Comments about issues related to vehicle and system technologies will be considered when specifications are developed.” Each of these letters was signed by Melvin N. Kaku, Director (at that time) of the Department of Transportation Services. In effect, the City has contradicted its own statements made in 2006 by eliminating non-SWSR system technologies long before publication of the draft EIS. If this does not violate the letter of FTA guidelines, it certainly violates the spirit. Basically, the City deferred any discussion relative to technology through 2007 as being too early for analysis. It then quickly convened an uncalled for (so-called) expert panel, which selected SWSR as the technology in a week that included only two public meetings, and then treated SWSR as the only technology to be considered—even though it never received more than four positive (of nine possible) votes in any meeting of the Honolulu City Council. The whole process has been tainted by maneuvering and insincerity by the City administration—and must be re-accomplished.
on November 3,2012 | 02:47AM
Venus1 wrote:
The Mainland is calling!!!
on November 3,2012 | 03:41AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
In the U.S. all systems are steel wheels on steel rails, Other technologies, like mag-lev, would not be funded by the FTA because they do not have a long track record of dependable service, like steel wheels on steel rails. The cost of building an experimental system would be high as would the risk of unforeseen future costs because it did not work as anticipated and required expensive repairs and maintenance.
on November 3,2012 | 06:11AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Nobody uses elevated heavy rail. Nobody. I asked you name one other place proposing this outdated, noisy and intrusive technology and you failed to find even one city that wants it.
on November 3,2012 | 07:45AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Yes, steel wheels on steel rails. Except that Rail is extremely far more expensive than BRT. Moreover, we, in Honolulu never needed nor do not need Rail as an alternative to traffic congestion because the boneheads of the city do not realize that in this the 21st century the nightmare of Stop-and-Go Traffic congestion which we all recently experienced could easily have been or today prevented from happening

How? Adopt what the State DOTs of the US have been using to prevent from occurring Stop-And-Go Traffic Congestion.
on November 3,2012 | 12:23PM
honokai wrote:
This all goes back to the bully and his disrespect for the public will --->. Hannemann, speaking at a campaign event yesterday, said he is not opposed to a ballot initiative but opposes the language of an ordinance that would remove rail as a mass transit option. The Stop Rail Now measure states: "Honolulu mass transit shall not include trains or rail." ( Hon Adv 7/17/08) Hannemann said ... he would have to review the language of the amendment before deciding to veto the measure or allow it to go to the voters. Ladies and Gentlemen .... Please don't forget this. Never forget this. Contempt for the public is unacceptable. Please vote.
on November 3,2012 | 03:52AM
honokai wrote:
Hannemann opposed any language that would allow the people to decide whether there would be rail or not. This is the same Hannemann that took $500 per plate at a fundraiser while announcing victory for his project. This contempt for the people of Hawaii must never be forgotten. Please vote!
on November 3,2012 | 03:59AM
pyon wrote:
Cayetano wants to kill rail because it's his belief, and principle, i.e., he feels that way so there's no alternative.... He had 8 years as Governor to do something about traffic and transit and it's now time to let someone else deal with it. That said,rail will be tough because there is too much of a divide in the community. The project needs more support and credibility from experts OUTSIDE of Hawaii....people who really know about building a rail system. It also needs strong leadership and project management for success.... I hope Kirk will be the leader to pull this together or be the Mayor who brings in the right people to get the job done right.
on November 3,2012 | 04:13AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Rail has been thought out over four decades. We now have a viable configuration that the public voted for, the City Council approved and the Federal Transit Administration concurred with. We cannot let the project fail on technicalities. We have to look at the big picture that rail transit is beneficial for our community in providing a better transportation alternative to being stuck in congested traffic and providing a boost to our economy with more development and jobs. Mr. Grabauskas is being very transparent in telling us what rail construction activities are being done. He was brought is to give us expertise so we can build the best world class rail system that we can get and accomplish it efficiently and cost-effectively. We are only hindering his progress with all these delays. We cannot let a strong vocal opposition minority keep bringing up new issues to detract from the rail project. If we stop rail now and accept the status quo, we are not losing only the cost of the several rail columns built. We are wasting all the time and efforts of many people over four decades and we are jeopardizing the future of our children and grandchildren. We need to build the rail system as we have come this far. Instead of opposition, let us all unite and get rail built “the right way” if people think this is not the case. Rail will get built because the majority still wants it. We can do it the right way if everybody is positive.
on November 3,2012 | 04:30AM
mijlive wrote:
this is the same garbage you posted yesterday-be gone already
on November 3,2012 | 05:24AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Thank you - these PRP bloggers are just uncredible...actually this does show they know their time is up!
on November 3,2012 | 06:28AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Good points, UB. Please continue to make them on a regular basis.
on November 3,2012 | 06:13AM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Yep, ukuleleblue will continue to be a empty coconut that makes a lot of noise via the wordy, repetitious comments everyday.
on November 3,2012 | 12:41PM
Kuniarr wrote:
UB is out of touch. We are in the 21st century. And the matter of preventing Stop-And-Go traffic congestion from ever happening on the H1 can easily be accomplished in this the 21st century. And that being so, Rail loses the rationale for its existence - traffic congestion.
on November 3,2012 | 04:19PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Rail was thought of wrong because the stop-and-go traffic congestion it used to justify its existence can actually be prevented from happening - therefore there was no need for rail.
on November 3,2012 | 04:05PM
niimi wrote:
Devil is in the dtails, uku. Grabaskis et al didn't cross their Ts. Now the project is stalled and the new Mayor will be installed soon to shut it down.
on November 3,2012 | 11:42PM
niimi wrote:
pyon, rain on the island is a county matter.
on November 3,2012 | 08:49AM
ammb3 wrote:
Garbage in, garbage out.
on November 3,2012 | 11:27AM
Kuniarr wrote:
pyon it is only in this 21st century that the many State Department of Transportation of the US have discovered a method that would prevent the Stop-and-Go traffic from happening on State and Inter-State Highways such as H-26, I-4, I-5, I-285, etc.

Cayetano's F.A.S.T. intends to prevent from happening on the H-1 the kind of stop-and-go traffic nightmare that took place on Halloween (Oct. 31) or during morning or afternoon rush hours by adopting the method used by State DOTs in accomplishing Traffic Relief on State and Inter-State highways.

Without Traffic Congestion, we don't need to spend billions to build rail and millions to pay for HART, rail security, rail operations and maintenance not to mention the billions needed to replace Rail assets.
on November 3,2012 | 08:58PM
niimi wrote:
pyon, Ben is walking in on Tuesday. Deal with it.
on November 3,2012 | 11:42PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Rail is going to be the primary driver of our economy in creating new jobs for our average locals. Our future has to be with rail which will move the most people most efficiently as our population increases. We wasted a lot of time delaying our rail. Now it would be extremely foolish to stop the rail after all the effort to get it built after all these years. We have all the financing in place and structured such that we practically don't realize that the cost is being paid down. How many people notice the extra half percent tax when they buy anything? This portion of the general excise tax is designated for the rail and cannot be used for anything else. This is but a small price to pay as our share of the cost for a transportation infrastructure we need to better our future. Tourists and other non-permanent residents also pay general excise tax helping us pay for the rail. The big prize is the huge $1.55 billion that the federal government will kick in for the rail project which in effect discounts the cost to build. This is money that will be infused into our economy that we never had and with the multiplier effect will boost our gross state product substantially. We will see a much more vibrant economy with more development and more jobs so locals won’t have to move away. The rail will provide a great transportation alternative to getting stuck in clogged traffic anywhere within the narrow congested corridor between Kapolei and the downtown area. Killing the rail project at this point is absolute foolishness as we will lose a multitude of benefits. The federal funding will be lost and the money will go to other states. The collected rail general excise taxes may not be allowed for any other purpose. The rail construction and transit oriented development will provide billions of dollars in economic activity and with the multiplier effect our economy will prosper greatly. The smart thing for us to do is to build our needed rail system and enjoy riding a fast sleek new train with beautiful ocean and mountain views. Rail is the greenest mode of transportation which will help preserve our environment and our natural resources. We will have a world class transportation system while living in the best place in the world. When the rail is built, people will come and ride. The rail will primarily benefit the average middle class local who will ride but everyone will benefit from the improved economy.
on November 3,2012 | 04:17AM
Mythman wrote:
This is one fatal flaw in the above argument on behalf of rail being constructed and operated by local government: "How many people notice the extra half percent tax when they buy anything". Based on this lack of awareness, government believes it can fund anything it wants to fund for contracting to union insiders as a make work strategy. Once the public wakes up to this and adds up the cost overall of many such "unnoticed" taxes, the public will stop paying for these kinds of insider make work projects. The attitude of Mufi, power rules over all, will have no support because this little trick will become harder to pull off. This is the secret to the public defeating government and it's a counter strategy to the manipulation.
on November 3,2012 | 04:41AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
The public is not going to "wake up." Voters were fully aware of the half percent surcharge when it passed both the state legislature and the city council. A small, temporary increase in sales tax or GET is an excellent way to fund projects and programs that benefit the majority of the population, which rail does.
on November 3,2012 | 06:15AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Except there was no need for the 1/2% GET nor the need to spend over $5 billion for Rail as an alternative to stop-and-go traffic congestion. For stop-and-go traffic congestion was at the turn of the 21st century preventable, hence no need for Rail.
on November 3,2012 | 04:08PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
The tax won't be temporary, rail will cost much more than they are willing to admit to the public. The tax will be extended or made permanent to fund operation and maintenance as well as pay for cost overruns which are all but certain to occur. More than half their contingency fund is gone already and they haven't even built 5% of the project yet. At that rate, you can expect it to be 10-15 billion before the special interests groups get thru with the taxpayers of oahu. Rail could actually be a good thing for honolulu if done right by honest public officials instead of the crooks who are on the HART board.
on November 3,2012 | 09:20PM
DPK wrote:
uk: blah blah blah blah No new thoughts or writings.
on November 3,2012 | 08:17AM
inverse wrote:
LIAR
on November 3,2012 | 08:41AM
Kuniarr wrote:
That's baloney, UB. Rail is to be constructed in phases with less than 300 workers in each phase, meaning that the entire rail project woule only involve a total of less than 300 workers.
on November 3,2012 | 04:21PM
Kuniarr wrote:
And most important of all, we do not need Rail anymore because the Stop-And-Go Traffic that Rail was to be built to avoid can today be prevented from ever happening.

Can Rail prevent the monster traffic backup that occurred on Oct. 31st? Of course not. But under F.A.S.T. stop-and-go traffic congestion occurring because of the closing of lanes on the H1 from an accident can be prevented from ever happening.
on November 3,2012 | 09:04PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
You push rail so hard it's not difficult to tell you have a financial interest in keeping it going. Tourism and military spending are what drives Hawaii's economy now, not rail development. If Oahu's population continues to grow as expected, there's no doubt Honolulu will need some form of mass transit system like rail. Everyone knows it's crowded now and only projected to get worse in the future, that said, these HART crooks have turned half the people against the rail project by way of obvious corruption. conflicts of interest and insider dealing. There's been so many examples of mismanagement on the rail project and outright decit, it's really almost unbelievable that they can get away with such actions. Taxpayers don't like getting ripped off, even if it is for something we need.
on November 3,2012 | 09:10PM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Honolulu needs rail combined with buses. TheBus has been great in the past providing award winning service and speedy one-seat commutes. Unfortunately express buses or bus rapid transit (BRT) cannot continue to be the answer. Times have changed as a result of skyrocketing population growth, traffic congestion and fuel prices in the past ten years. Operating an all bus system was acceptable in the past when individual express buses from distant neighborhoods could be run all the way to downtown at a frequent basis. However, this becomes a very cost-inefficient system requiring more fuel and more drivers. The express buses then have to eventually end up in traffic congestion with other vehicles. That is why just adding more buses into clogged roads is not a solution. Now we need to revamp the bus system and incorporate a more efficient multi-modal transportation system that utilizes a fast high capacity rail system as in most major cities all over the world. More neighborhood buses can be added to circulate much more frequently and feed to the high speed high capacity rail trunk line on its own right of way which will require transfers but will result in an improved elapsed time origin to destination for any rider. Instead of cutbacks, smaller buses serving more lighter routes can be added and fed to the rail also. Fewer buses clogged in traffic paralleling the rail trunk line will free up more buses to serve more neighborhoods networked to the rail will provide better overall service. We need the planned Kapolei to Ala Moana rail line to be built now and will probably need extensions to Waikiki and UH-Manoa soon after. And the longer we delay, the more it will cost. Rail is the proven solution all over the world and it will work here. Don’t get fooled by the naysayers.
on November 3,2012 | 04:18AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Three words PRP VOTE FOR BEN!
on November 3,2012 | 05:41AM
false wrote:
Don't "get fooled" by a blue fool.
on November 3,2012 | 06:05AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Does it? why dont you ask the residents of San Juan Puerto Rico and how about BART in the Bay area that has to be subsidized at a huge sum of money a year. Rail wont work on a population the size of Oahu let alone using 19th century steel on steel technology. Rail is dead in the Islands and will go along the same route as the "Stupid Ferry". Game is up and UB you need to be looking for another blogging job for some other corrupt special interest group!
on November 3,2012 | 06:31AM
niimi wrote:
Hawaii needs BRT not steal on steal and steal some more rail.
on November 3,2012 | 08:50AM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Wordy, repetitious rhetoric, from Ukuleleblue empty coconut head that makes a lots of noise continues.
on November 3,2012 | 11:01AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Honolulu does not need Rail simply because the Stop-And-Go traffic Rail intended to avoid can actually be prevented from happening.
on November 3,2012 | 04:10PM
Mythman wrote:
This is one fatal flaw in the above argument on behalf of rail being constructed and operated by local government: "How many people notice the extra half percent tax when they buy anything". Based on this lack of awareness, government believes it can fund anything it wants to fund for contracting to union insiders as a make work strategy. Once the public wakes up to this and adds up the cost overall of many such "unnoticed" taxes, the public will stop paying for these kinds of insider make work projects. The attitude of Mufi, power rules over all, will have no support because this little trick will become harder to pull off. This is the secret to the public defeating government and it's a counter strategy to the manipulation.
on November 3,2012 | 04:41AM
Giligan wrote:
I would have hoped that rail would die on its unmerits, not bones and whales. It will not work, just look at Station 1, it is the middle of North South Road, and does not even start in Kapolei City! Most of us live in valleys and near the mountain, we need to take a bus to catch the rail. The desitnation is Ala Moana Shopping Center, only good during Christmas. Go Ben Go! Run over the unions.
on November 3,2012 | 06:44AM
Pocho wrote:
either catching the bus or having to use a car to get to the train platform. Maybe it's a good walk or cabbies will get more fares too.
on November 3,2012 | 07:29AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Only fools would design a system with no parking ( duh)_ R U going to walk in the heat of the Ewa plains in August or take one or 2 busses to get to a RAIL station and then stand up and get jerked back and forth as it starts and stops. Ladies it may be hard to stop someone from banging into you if the CHOO CHOO IS TAKING OFF OR STARTING UP. Don't you think the city is trying to RAILROAD us?
on November 3,2012 | 08:13AM
Pocho wrote:
If they only did what was supposed to be done in the 1st place. You can take it anyway you want, incompetency of officials or it was a RailRoaded job by Mufi and now Carlisle on his way out.
on November 3,2012 | 07:27AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Can we please settle this? Mr. Grabauskas' lease on his house expires at the end of the year and he needs to know if he will be moving.
on November 3,2012 | 07:48AM
Mythman wrote:
You mean Don Horner didn't give Grab a free house?
on November 3,2012 | 03:53PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Free checking. Which is more than most of us get from FHB.
on November 3,2012 | 04:57PM
Malani wrote:
I never cared for Peter Carlisle. His attitude is a turn off. When he speaks I don't hear what he is saying. All I hear is his tone of voice. Even as a prosecuter he carried that tone. After the lastest Court hearing he still comes on with an attitude problem. Only two people I never cared for as Mayor, Carlisle and Harris.
on November 3,2012 | 07:28AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Did you notice? Back in August HART said it would finish the archaeological survey by February or so but the article today says there were "nine to 12 months still needed". Now, layer on this new requirement and it is clear rail is pushed back significantly - beyond the deadlines for the elusive $1.55 billion from Uncle Sam.

There is a reason that Mr. Carlisle's name is preceded with the word "outgoing". It's not because he is friendly. It is because the voters know he would have pushed through on rail even without the Federal contribution, loading more expense on the Hawaii resident. Caldwell is of the same opinion - push through even if it costs everyone on the island a lot more money.

We all hope Ben wins and can end this nightmare. But even if not, the fight against rail must continue or we will be fleeced like sheep.


on November 3,2012 | 07:43AM
Malani wrote:
Listen up folks. The City hired this expert Contractor who supposly knew what to do. But out of his mouth he said they would work in segments a little bit at a time to find where the bones are. If it were not for the law suit brought by two people to put a stop to it we the public would have never know that the rail work was being cockroached by deceifulness to get it finished. Look what this incomplete planning did to us tax payers, costing us more and more everyday. Every planner for this rail project is to be blamed for trying to deceive us the people of Honolulu. Did we all hear from the beginning that the Contractor wanted to dig a tunnel under Beretanina Street for this rail? When they finish one step then they figure out what the next step will be. And when all said and done we are left to pay the bill for it while this Contractor will not pay a cent in tax deduction. After all he is not a resident of Hawaii so he can take our money and run back to his home.
on November 3,2012 | 08:01AM
Ronin006 wrote:
Carlisle said. “While the city did not win completely on all of the major points, the truth is that the issues that remain can and will be addressed in a responsible manner.” The truth of the matter is that the city should have addressed the issues before starting the project.
on November 3,2012 | 08:16AM
niimi wrote:
And since the chitty shot themselves in the foot with arrogant pushing forward they are getting punished for it now, will delay their construction just long enough for Ben to get in and stop funding for the rail project. Then the repeal process can start to erase the rail laws from the books. One to repeal is the steel on steel rail. The other is to dissolve HART.
on November 3,2012 | 08:52AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Where's Mufi?

Come on out Mufi....Kirk was your boy, your managing director....what?....nobody like be associated with you anymore? Too radioactive?

With Kirk, you get Mufi Light, even though he stay hiding right now. If you are undecided, think about having Mufi Light and do what your gut tells you.


on November 3,2012 | 09:48AM
Wazdat wrote:
hahahaha...Mofee is long gone...
on November 3,2012 | 01:34PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
That's what they say about vampires.
on November 3,2012 | 03:05PM
Mythman wrote:
Well said, i suggest we organize another citizens initiative: namely no more "unnoticeable" slight increases in sales taxes of the fraction kind to pay for make work stuff. Only public projects that pay for them selves or which the federal government funds in full.
on November 3,2012 | 03:50PM
niimi wrote:
Here is what matters. First, Bruddah Ben going win. Second, Peter is out. Third, Captain Kirk loses. Fourth, the long arduous process to repeal steal on steal rail laws from the City and County Charter (laws) begins when Ben takes office.
on November 3,2012 | 08:46AM
false wrote:
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on November 3,2012 | 09:49AM
Mythman wrote:
Now that is a scary thought!
on November 3,2012 | 03:47PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
"Caldwell, in a news release, said Caye­tano is distorting the impact of the judge’s order. “By his own words, this is clearly last-minute electioneering...."

I don't know why the SA would choose to end this article with ANOTHER unsubstantiated claim from a City issued press release.

Peter Carlisle is in the unique position of ignoring this election and focusing on the needs of the City, politics be damned. Instead, he has chosen to try to remain a "player" to the detriment of everyone.
on November 3,2012 | 08:53AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
"Caldwell, in a news release, said Caye­tano is distorting the impact of the judge’s order. “By his own words, this is clearly last-minute electioneering...."

I don't know why the SA would choose to end this article with ANOTHER unsubstantiated claim from a City issued press release.

Peter Carlisle is in the unique position of ignoring this election and focusing on the needs of the City, keeping politics out it. Instead, he has chosen to try to remain a "player" to the detriment of everyone.
on November 3,2012 | 08:54AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
You would think Pete Carlisle would understand what "get out of town" means when told that by voters. Pete, if we don't want you as a Mayor, we don't want your political opinions either. Be gracious, fade away. Perhaps a last overseas trip would be nice. Take the wife.
on November 3,2012 | 09:45AM
worldtraveler wrote:
Ben's campaign is gaining big momentum from the federal ruling against rail, and more people are becoming aware of Caldwell's pay to play connections, with huge contributions from the rail contractors, thanks to in-depth Star-Ad reporting. To see how Cayetano's campaign excitement is peaking now, look at this video of yesterday's sign-waving downtown http://youtu.be/_zkxGLBwIm4
on November 3,2012 | 09:23AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Honolulu did not, does not, will not need Rail as an alternative to Traffic.

We do not need Rail to avoid Sitting For Hours in Traffic. Or the H1 becoming a huge parking lot.

Traffic Relief on the H1 could have long been accomplished even before Rail was even contemplated.

For when the US stepped into the year 2001, the 21st Century, the State Department of Transportation of the US have began developing a system for Traffic Relief on State and Inter-State Highways.

Today, many State DOT has brought Traffic Relief on many highways such as on H-26 in Portland, Oregon; I-4 in Orlando, Florida; on I-285 in Atlanta, Georgia; on I-5 and I-405 in Portland, Oregon among others.

All that was needed to provide Traffic Relief on the H1 was bring over and apply what the State DOT of Florida, Oregon, Georgia, Washington, etc. to Honolulu on the H1.

And in this election year of 2012, F.A.S.T. is bringing over to Honolulu just what we all need - Traffic Relief on H1 by adopting what the State DOTs have been using to bring Traffic Relief on State and Inter-State highways.


on November 3,2012 | 11:24AM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Caldwell says ".... Caye­tano is distorting the impact of the judge’s order ... this is clearly last-minute electioneering, and I think voters are smarter than that.” Okay, sounds good: voters who are smart should NOT VOTE for a political candidate Caldwell who is controlled by the rail contractors who supports the ill fated, poor project planned, rail system. In particular, John White and his PRP who is madly in love with the billion dollar rail project money that is readily easy to pick as a low hanging taxpayers money fruit, if Caldwell gets elected.
on November 3,2012 | 11:43AM
Mythman wrote:
One of the dirty little secrets about the collusion between government and unions locally funded by you and me through taxes is that the Free Enterprise System is probably dead except for being on this kind of life support. The new capitalist system is what we are seeing with this rail boondoogle and with Obamacare, where you MUST buy insurance from a health care conglomerate existing solely due to the government. In other words, there is no more market cash, only taxes to keep jobs coming to unions used to magnificent benefits and full employment for themselves and their families. This is why the sums to upkeep the system if it is built can not come from operating revenues - there never will be enough of these. Federal tax dollars are going to fund the federal governments own cadre, not Hawaii's. What a nightmare. I'm moving to Australia.
on November 3,2012 | 11:47AM
enoughisenough wrote:
Carlisle's chest thumping says all. If he had the facts on his side, he would stress them. If he had the law on his side, he would stress it. Because he has neither, he raises the volume and says nothing except that he's right about everything. Pathetic. Time for a long rest to recalibrate his moral compass.
on November 3,2012 | 11:50AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Carlisle is a ignorant person who is soon to be put to pasture...VOTE FOR BEN AND SAVE OAHU!
on November 3,2012 | 12:24PM
Wazdat wrote:
AGREE... Peter = D O N K E E Y
on November 3,2012 | 01:31PM
honokai wrote:
The working people will certainly not be damaged by Ben Cayetano. Well, the jury is out on the other guys. They could certainly cause great damage to our children's future. They don't own us. Please vote.
on November 3,2012 | 02:46PM
FrankGenadio wrote:
I contradicted comments by "ukuleleblue" and "OldDiver" on the Letters site and stated that they had lost credibility. Now I find "BluesBreaker" joining that duo by claiming (erroneously) that an urban maglev is experimental and would not be funded by the FTA. That organization does not make decisions on the type of (rail) technology selected by a municipality and the maglev is NOT experimental. The system in Nagoya has now been in revenue operations for seven and a half years and the Chinese and Koreans are developing systems in Beijing and Incheon that will be operational years before our guideway even reaches Pearl Highlands. Despite the signed contracts for a steel wheels system, I think that its backers are starting to genuinely fear any chance of the city actually conducting a new and open (to all rail technologies) competition that might "upset their apple carts."
on November 3,2012 | 03:11PM
DAGR81 wrote:
In 2010 carlisle convinced us that he would be the next great mayor of Honolulu. He turned out to be an incomptent fraud. Go away already, peter...and reminince about your two years of stardom.
on November 3,2012 | 05:08PM
atilter wrote:
on your election ballot, VOTE NO - to REJECT the two proposed city charter amendments...they are nothing more than ploys to be able to redirect city general budget moneys as they see fit to provide additional sources of funds for the choo-choo under the guise of fulfilling "legal obligations" OR CONTRACTS, WHICH INCLUDE RAIL CONTRACTS!!!!... they already see the hand-writing on the wall that CONTINGENCY FUNDS WILL DRY UP DUE TO THE RECENT COURT DECISIONS...this is a very subversive attempt to get favorable amendments in place regarding the setting up of additional funding sources for a project that will very likely RUN OUT OF MONEY...UNDER-HANDED SLEIGHT-OF-HAND with vague terminology and mis-direction!!!!...very much like the way we got into this present mess...
on November 3,2012 | 07:33PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Next tuesday should be interesting indeed, no matter what happens about half the population will be pissed. HART board has done quite a job of public relatons for this project, if turning half the people against the project was their goal I say they've suceeded temendously, if not they're all idiots.
on November 3,2012 | 09:26PM
Maipono wrote:
Yes we are smarter than that Mr. Caldwell, we will be voting for experience and honesty, Governor Ben Cayetano, the next mayor of Honolulu. Go Ben Go!
on November 3,2012 | 09:54PM
HawaiiNoKaOi wrote:
Glad to see that writiers Gordon Pang and Kevin Dayton are trying to stay neutral on both mayoral candidates while their employer (SA) is on the record for endorsing their favorite.
on November 3,2012 | 11:05PM
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