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Family disputes autopsy report on man who died after arrest

The conclusion that he did not suffer assault injuries is called into question

By Jennifer Sinco Kelleher

Associated Press

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LAST UPDATED: 10:17 a.m. HST, Jun 06, 2013


There were no assault injuries on a man whose family is claiming Honolulu police used excessive force in detaining him, the medical examiner’s office said Wednesday.

No “assaultive-type” injuries were found on Stephen Dinnan during the autopsy, a spokeswoman said. A cause of death is pending further testing and an investigation.

Dinnan, 35, was taken off life support Tuesday after he was pronounced brain dead. He had been hospitalized in critical condition after an altercation with police Monday in Waimanalo.

“He was pretty much beat up,” said his family’s attorney, William Harrison. “It would appear to me way too much force was used. He was not involved with any stolen vehicle.”

Police said in a statement that Dinnan fled when officers arrived at a Waimanalo home to locate a stolen vehicle and he fought off attempts to detain him. Dinnan became unresponsive shortly after he was brought under control, police said.

Harrison said Dinnan was outside carrying one of his children when officers arrived at the home he shared with others, and he put the child in his car.

“He wanted to get the child out of harm’s way,” Harrison said. “He was not trying to flee from the officers.”

Harrison said an officer choked Dinnan unconscious and Dinnan’s back, neck and arms were covered in bruises.

Police said there was an effort to resuscitate Dinnan, but Harrison disputed that, saying officers were incredulous when someone said Dinnan wasn’t breathing. Another officer arrived and called an ambulance, Harrison said.

Police said a 26-year veteran of the force has been placed on administrative leave and the department has opened an internal investigation. A police spokeswoman would not comment further.

The medical examiner’s finding is confusing, Harrison said.

“I don’t understand why they volunteered that information,” he said. “If they’re saying Stephen wasn’t assaulted, that runs afoul of the type of injuries and bruises he sustained.”

Harrison said claiming no assaultive-type injuries were found isn’t surprising from a Honolulu medical examiner’s office anticipating legal action.






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LMO wrote:
It's never the perps fault, according to their families. "He was a good boy. He'd never commit a crime>"They all ay that...yet, the crimes occurred and were witnessed. Sad ending here, but HPD is not to blame.
on June 6,2013 | 02:11AM
false wrote:
Police population include personalities that feed on power. Just be sure you are not their next victim of extreme force.
on June 6,2013 | 05:29AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Hope that one day you don't become a victim of extreme force by a crazy person and have to call 911 for police assistance, because evidently, you have a disregard for the police.
on June 6,2013 | 06:40AM
8082062424 wrote:
Here the thing police put on a uniform and a badge. That does not mean under all of that they are a good person who always do the right thing. http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2013/02/25/18403-database-a-compilation-of-honolulu-police-misconduct/
on June 6,2013 | 06:52AM
lookup wrote:
I know the Police Officer personally and he is not only an great asset to the HPD and a God fearing/respecting and loving person/\. The only way he would have hurt anyone is if he himself was threatened. Do not judge before the evidence is put forward. The lawyer is making statements not knowing the facts and is hoping for a fat payday that will never come.
on June 6,2013 | 07:47AM
scooters wrote:
I agree with lookup... amazing just how soon the 'Ambulance Chaser" showed up? Plus the media was basis on it's reporting as always when dealing with HPD..
on June 6,2013 | 07:58AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:02AM
1local wrote:
what kind of drugs were found on the deceased? What drugs were in his system. pictures of the drugs should be shown - poor example for his kids...
on June 6,2013 | 05:32PM
Pocho wrote:
I'd say Batu
on June 6,2013 | 08:06PM
MKN wrote:
@lookup: I saw some pictures on the news of the guy that died and he had massive bruises around his neck. From what the report said and what Teneri Maafala stated, it looks like the officer used a chokehold that has been banned by police departments in 22 states, but isn't banned here. More than likely that's what killed him. If he's such a god fearing and respecting person, why did he break the first commandment? LOL!
on June 6,2013 | 09:34AM
primo1 wrote:
The first commandment being "You shall have no other gods before me." So you think the police officer was praying to some other deity during the course of the arrest? LOL!
on June 6,2013 | 10:07AM
MKN wrote:
@primo1: My bad on that. I'm obviously not christian, so there ya go. It's the sixth commandment. LOL!
on June 6,2013 | 02:42PM
8082062424 wrote:
he still human and not perfect. the picture speak for themselves. along with the fact this police officer received no injury's.. i suppose being the good person he is strangling some one is ok in his book of morals along with no rendering aid.. it took a civilian to render aid then he called emt even though the other guy laying on the ground was purple and a bleeding from the ears and all bruised up
on June 6,2013 | 10:15AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Use some common sense when you evaluate police officers. Police officers are human beings like you and I but they are trained to handle dangerous situations that you and I aren't trained to do. Yes, there are a small percentage of officers that are corrupt or doesn't perform their duties within the scope of their job description. These are the very ones that will eventually be weeded out of the police force but you cannot put bad judgement on the rest of the police department that are serving and protecting the general public, because majority of the police officers are good and always do the right thing.
on June 6,2013 | 08:52AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
so are these the bad officers you're speaking of in this story?
on June 6,2013 | 09:44AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Com-on, use some common sense and reasonable comments. Do you think that I would support the bad officers? Get real!
on June 6,2013 | 05:56PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
To say that all wounds that the person died from, after "resisting" arrest, implies that all the wounds are normal wounds that normally pop-up when being questioned by Police. Pity.
on June 6,2013 | 01:29PM
Pocho wrote:
maybe we should have a law written, if any crimiinal tries to evade arrest, just let em go. Catch em later after they do you good
on June 6,2013 | 08:06PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
extreme force by crazy people get shot.
on June 6,2013 | 09:45AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
er i mean, put in a chokehold and killed.
on June 6,2013 | 09:51AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Especially when they are not physically fit and act up.
on June 6,2013 | 05:57PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
there you go with your crazy assumptions again. how do you know if this guy was not physically fit, or acting up? i'm not saying he was or wasn't, i'm just saying he's now dead, that much fact i do know.
on June 6,2013 | 06:08PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
"false wrote: Police population include personalities that feed on power. Just be sure you are not their next victim of extreme force." 3 cops jumped me once, and put me in a chokehold. even after i was saying "alright alright" the cop didn't release me till i was almost passed out. my throat hurt for 2 weeks after.
on June 6,2013 | 07:51AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
i forgot to mention i was carrying my one year old at the time and they still jumped me, and one officer pulled the baby from my struggling arms as i was on the ground. they blamed me for endangering the welfare of a minor, i have no sympathy for cops, if i have trouble i have smith and wesson handle it.
on June 6,2013 | 07:55AM
kahuku01 wrote:
You failed to mention why the police officers (3) jumped you. Did they jump you because they had nothing better to do? People like you that would like to take the law in your own hands with the Smith and Wesson will end up with the trouble maker.
on June 6,2013 | 09:03AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
i'm glad you asked, i did not have a weapon, i did not threaten anyone. they were in my hallway, i was in the bedroom. i stepped out, they asked to speak with me and i told them i want to call a lawyer, i moved past them towards the phone and they grabbed me. anymore questions?
on June 6,2013 | 09:40AM
speakingtruth wrote:
I am 61 years old. The only time an officer stopped me was when I was speeding. I was never stopped when I was in my hallway. You did know why they were there. Police officers do not just go to anyone's home to harass as if they got nothing else to do.
on June 6,2013 | 01:25PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
i've learned one thing though, the next time that happens we'll see who ends up in a chokehold.
on June 6,2013 | 09:42AM
allie wrote:
yikes!
on June 6,2013 | 12:11PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Word to the wise, you'll never end up with a choke hold and you'll never come out on top when the police are there for a reason to apprehend you. Suspects will never win and stop acting like the tough guy. Usually tough guys are humble.
on June 6,2013 | 04:25PM
waianae94 wrote:
If the non-policeman is being choked, the person choking him will end up 6 feet under. Machismo will only make your moke friends cheer you on, all the way up until your death.
on June 6,2013 | 10:22PM
Pocho wrote:
Lesson learned here, Respect HPD, no run, no hide. Do what they tell you to do
on June 6,2013 | 08:04PM
waianae94 wrote:
I'll take my chances with police brutality any day over a meth head.
on June 6,2013 | 10:19PM
joewilly wrote:
What happen to the officers stun gun? Why not use that and then handcuff the dude!! 26 years on the force and this is going to sum up his career? Even if the man was running there is no reason to beat him to death.
on June 6,2013 | 06:22AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Do all officers have taser guns?
on June 6,2013 | 07:14AM
8082062424 wrote:
the sure do
on June 6,2013 | 07:31AM
pakeheat wrote:
100% safe?
on June 6,2013 | 07:42AM
Hanalei13 wrote:
No they don't. They have to be certified to carry one. Many officers are either going through certification or aren't chosen to carry one, thus, not all officers carry a taser.
on June 6,2013 | 08:12AM
HAJAA1 wrote:
You're obviously a family member based on your postings. Maybe instead of wasting your time on forums, you could help teach their kids not to be like their father. Do something productive.
on June 6,2013 | 08:58AM
busterb wrote:
Teach the kids to at least marry the mother.
on June 6,2013 | 10:45AM
daniwitz13 wrote:
Did the Officer have common sense? Did he use it? Is the Man dead? will he be in trouble? Can he lose his Job? Can he be charged for manslaughter? Go back to first question. Pity.
on June 6,2013 | 01:24PM
scooters wrote:
SO you were there and saw the SUSPECT being beaten to death? Did you come forward and report this and make a sworn statement? I think not..
on June 6,2013 | 08:00AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:03AM
walaau808 wrote:
your cut and paste skills are exemplary!!!!!
on June 6,2013 | 10:20AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
mahalo, takes practice, here's one more: http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:27AM
MKN wrote:
@joewilly: They actually put the guy in a chokehold and that's what killed him. Pictures of the bruises on TV last night indicate that is exactly what happened. There was massive amounts of bruising just below the guy's neck.
on June 6,2013 | 09:37AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:03AM
walaau808 wrote:
you should change your name to cutandpastecaptain...
on June 6,2013 | 10:20AM
primo1 wrote:
LOL!
on June 6,2013 | 10:23AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
the joke's on him, it's known as COPY and paste, heeheehaahaahoohoo!
on June 6,2013 | 10:36AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
it's easier than typing new words. http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:28AM
inverse wrote:
Agree 100 percent. Why don't HPD officers use the taser FIRST and if that does not work then use choke holds, baton or whatever.
on June 6,2013 | 02:29PM
96706 wrote:
I agree LMO. I really really agree with you. HPD is NOT to blame.
on June 6,2013 | 10:43AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
until it happens to you...
on June 6,2013 | 12:27PM
Pocho wrote:
we listen to cops. Buck them and you are asking for it. Respect the Law
on June 6,2013 | 07:39PM
waianae94 wrote:
I'm not dumb enough to do drugs and resist arrest, so it's not going to happen to me.
on June 6,2013 | 10:23PM
DAGR81 wrote:
Don't blame the family...blame their attorney harrison (motivated by a big contingency fee) for chasing them down and encouraging them to sue the government.
on June 6,2013 | 12:55PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
LMO-I believe you'd be write based on most of the scenarios I have heard about. Funny tho, that the story says he had bruises and then unconcious, yet the autopsy report says anything but.....very strange.
on June 6,2013 | 06:19PM
DocDen wrote:
Whatever, there's a stolen vehicle. The man was a parent with a child. He secures his child or he's reportedly fleeing. What kind of fight could it have been anyway? He was outnumbered and outgunned. He ends up brain dead in the course and it's called necessary force? What kind of training is that?
on June 6,2013 | 03:21AM
Grimbold wrote:
The women knew nothing? She should be detained . Just another criminal nest.
on June 6,2013 | 05:30AM
scooters wrote:
Innocent people don't run from the cops..period..only the crumbs do..period
on June 6,2013 | 08:01AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
so guilty people get the death penalty? accidental death by cop, case dismissed!
on June 6,2013 | 09:52AM
walaau808 wrote:
Don't run, don't put up a fight...DON'T DIE!
on June 6,2013 | 10:21AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:28AM
Pocho wrote:
Respect the law. Don't run, Don't resist. PERIOD
on June 6,2013 | 07:40PM
MoiliiliBoy wrote:
Excited Delerium - Google it and wait until the toxicology tests are revealed. This occurs across the US, and has already happened in Hawaii. Nothing new, only to the ignorant ones. I'm not saying this is the case, but just wait and see. You must be rich since 3 cops jumped you in your own home. Call attorney HARRISION to handle your case (took less than 24 hours for them to retain a lawyer, that was quick). The way you spoke about it, they had to be wrong. How they came inside your home without being invited? You must've been totally cooperative for them to jump you, your kid must have had numerous broken bones as a result of you falling on him and them "pulling him away from you." Shame on them. Cha-ching, let the cash register ring!!
on June 6,2013 | 08:49PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:03AM
DocDen wrote:
His 26 years isn't carte blanche to act irresponsibly. The cop should be arrested and detained.
on June 6,2013 | 01:18PM
Grimbold wrote:
He deserved it.Period.
on June 6,2013 | 05:27AM
joewilly wrote:
You wouldn't be saying that if it was your son. Reserve your insensitive comments untill you know the whole story.
on June 6,2013 | 06:26AM
Larry01 wrote:
Based on WHAT!? We do not know all the facts here, but your statement is pure foolishness.
on June 6,2013 | 11:59AM
SandBar wrote:
“He wanted to get the child out of harm’s way,”...did he expect trouble?
on June 6,2013 | 05:44AM
primo1 wrote:
That was a quote from the lawyer who didn't witness anything. He's projecting "innocence" which is his job.
on June 6,2013 | 08:54AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
you don't have to witness anything to make a quote, you just have to learn how to read witnesses statements in the police report.
on June 6,2013 | 10:42AM
aomohoa wrote:
The cops aren't going to hurt a child. Maybe he was expecting a stand off.
on June 6,2013 | 04:36PM
lokela wrote:
He probably had those scratches and other injuries before all this went down. Probably stole a car and in the process fell down after ditching the car.
on June 6,2013 | 06:18AM
8082062424 wrote:
Then after he fell down he strangled him self. sure
on June 6,2013 | 06:50AM
soundofreason wrote:
It's going around.
on June 6,2013 | 07:14AM
scooters wrote:
Strangled? You saw this happen? You were there? you reported this?
on June 6,2013 | 08:02AM
MKN wrote:
@scooters: The police union head Teneri Maafala was on TV last night and he stated that the officer put the person that died in a chokehold. Apparently, this particular chokehold has been banned in 22 states, but not in Hawaii. That's probably what killed the guy.
on June 6,2013 | 09:39AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:04AM
8082062424 wrote:
The doctors that treated him stated it along that he was beaten and came in bleeding from the ears. it was on khon early report
on June 6,2013 | 10:20AM
kahuku01 wrote:
The family's attorney, Bill Harrison said, "it would appear to me way too much force was used" but not to the point of saying, too much force was used, only because he wasn't there to have witness the apprehension by HPD, and only repeating was reported to him by family members. An attorney representing the victim will always make statements that will "appear" to make the victim the good guy, that's his job! He doesn't understand, "if their saying Stephen wasn't assaulted, that runs afoul of the type of injuries and bruises he sustained." Well Harrison, if the victim doesn't obey the commands of the law enforcement officers and continues to resist from being apprehended, wouldn't there be forced used by HPD to apprehend the suspect and cause some minor bruises or scratches? Resisting apprehension or arrest by suspects that are high on drugs or have a mind that they can beat the law, will always end up losing their lives or end up facing the consequences.
on June 6,2013 | 06:36AM
8082062424 wrote:
So your saying the police are above the law? sorry they are not
on June 6,2013 | 06:48AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Where did I state that the police are above the law? They are trained to do a their job and must use their training to the best of their ability when a suspect resist being apprehended, Suspect resisting apprehension will face the consequences. How hard is it to obey the commands from the police officers especially when you have committed a crime.
on June 6,2013 | 07:21AM
8082062424 wrote:
it there job to do the job not take some one life. now if the officer life was in danger then that would be another story. If this officer felt his life was in danger he would have pulled his gun like we have seen in recent months.Or he could have used the stun gun. over use of power in a problem with our police. http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2013/02/25/18403-database-a-compilation-of-honolulu-police-misconduct/
on June 6,2013 | 07:36AM
pakeheat wrote:
So what you are saying it was "INTENTIONAL"?
on June 6,2013 | 07:45AM
kahuku01 wrote:
It's all speculation, he doesn't really know what took place, he's just being opinionated. Notice the word he used, "IF."
on June 6,2013 | 08:35AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
you don't know what happened either.
on June 6,2013 | 09:47AM
kahuku01 wrote:
You still haven't pointed out that I've said that the police is above the law? Please don't take words out of context because you make yourself sound disorientated and unable to comprehend.
on June 6,2013 | 09:13AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
you can engage me if you want. the fact is a citizen is dead. for what? for suspicion of car theft?
on June 6,2013 | 09:48AM
pakeheat wrote:
It is a tragic incident on both sides, nobody wants a person to be ended up this way, however, each person handles a situation differently. If approached by officers, I would kindly answer all the questions with a yes or no sir, and if they have enough evidence to arrest me, all I had to do was ask if I could put my child down or in the car, and wait for a reply. Then follow exact instructions to be handcuffed and be led away and ask the officers if they can inform my wife that I'm going to get arrested so please have someone come and pick up the kid. Remain calm and cool, and nobody is going to get hurt, simple.
on June 6,2013 | 10:44AM
kahuku01 wrote:
You don't know what happened either do you?
on June 6,2013 | 04:31PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
i do know what happened cuz unlike you, i have a tv set.
on June 6,2013 | 06:10PM
Pocho wrote:
lol
on June 6,2013 | 07:42PM
primo1 wrote:
IRT kahuku01: It's futile to engage 8082062424 regarding this incident and expect any type of response other than the repetitive "Police are not above the law...police abuse their power...blah, blah..." Still typing out the same comments as yesterday, still responding as if he witnessed the entire incident and knows exactly what happened.
on June 6,2013 | 08:51AM
8082062424 wrote:
http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2013/02/25/18403-database-a-compilation-of-honolulu-police-misconduct/ try do some reading to see how big of a problem it is
on June 6,2013 | 10:26AM
primo1 wrote:
Try sticking to the issue at hand. Unless you can prove unequivocally that this particular incident was a case of police brutality, you're just generalizing.
on June 6,2013 | 10:37AM
8082062424 wrote:
far from it if you take the time to read it a very common problem in our police force
on June 6,2013 | 11:26AM
8082062424 wrote:
so in your thinking any one who does not obey the commands on a police officer should be treated like this. it ok for a police officer to do this because some one broke a law or did not follow a command ?. last i check there job was to enforce the law. Not take matters into there own hands
on June 6,2013 | 10:25AM
kahuku01 wrote:
IRT8082062424: Put yourself in the police officer's position when a person does not obey your command when the suspect has committed a crime and requires to be apprehended. Resisting and not obeying the officers command would have the officer take control of the situation and get the suspect handcuffed before escalating the situation wouldn't you agree? As for you, you wouldn't take matters in your own hands but wait for further instructions from your superior, that's what I understand it to be from your comment. That's why you're not a law enforcement officer. You wouldn't be able to react. Talk is big, but reacting to the situation is another thing that trained officers are able to do.
on June 6,2013 | 06:25PM
Workingrl wrote:
good points
on June 6,2013 | 07:41AM
MKN wrote:
@kahuku01: If you saw pictures of the bruises on the news last night, they definitely weren't minor. LOL!
on June 6,2013 | 09:44AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
he doesn't own a tv set.
on June 6,2013 | 10:43AM
kahuku01 wrote:
Really! I got one on my tuna boat.
on June 6,2013 | 04:34PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
then turn it on instead of the stag films
on June 6,2013 | 06:11PM
livinginhawaii wrote:
I'm thinking this family is going to be hard pressed to obtain favorable witness testimony from the guy whose car was stolen. The owner of the car is going to be appreciative to the cops for assisting in retrieving it. I probably would be as well.
on June 6,2013 | 06:52AM
8082062424 wrote:
the car was back at his home when the police got there. Let hope all will be honest. This person is the only person who render aid to the victim . the police just stood there
on June 6,2013 | 07:38AM
pakeheat wrote:
I guess you should be called to testify under oath?
on June 6,2013 | 07:46AM
walaau808 wrote:
You are sooooo wrong. I know the owner of the TRUCK which was stolen. The truck was being stripped at the residence in Waimanalo and not at the victim's home as you incorrectly state. They found the truck using the cell phone's tracking device (the phone was in the truck when it was stolen). Although second hand information (from the truck owner), it's better than your widespread and biased assumptions...
on June 6,2013 | 10:27AM
8082062424 wrote:
take it up with khon it was a story they posted
on June 6,2013 | 11:28AM
aomohoa wrote:
And you think the news always gets it right? They constantly spread mis information.
on June 6,2013 | 01:29PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Don't be so gullible and believe everything you see and read by the media, especially if you did not witness the incident.
on June 6,2013 | 06:29PM
Pocho wrote:
Amen! Thanks for the low down walaau808
on June 6,2013 | 07:45PM
PTF wrote:
Now it makes sense as to why they fled when the cops arrived.
on June 6,2013 | 12:10PM
Pocho wrote:
the victim couldn't run away with his kid in his arms like the other 2 that got away. They got to find a better job in Waimanalo
on June 6,2013 | 07:46PM
Kaneohe5 wrote:
If you innocent why resist? Waste time except we all think we badasses thats why. Plus one 26 yr old cop got to be fat from all the malasadas too. Maybe the guy fell down laughing and hit his head
on June 6,2013 | 06:53AM
bigislandkurt wrote:
No assault injuries? Hmmmm. What were all those bruises they showed on the news? And the blood coming out of his nose and ears that his wife witnessed? hmmmm. Maybe he just fell. I got no beef with cops. But hard to look at this case and not see that the victim obviously got his arse kicked.
on June 6,2013 | 06:56AM
walaau808 wrote:
If I was the officer and a suspect was resisting, don't believe for a second that there wouldn't be bruises. How in the world is an officer supposed to do his job? I'm sure the officer has some injuries too. I hear tazer etc. but really - how much time does one have in a situation like this. Adrenaline full on pumping (both officer and suspect) and machismo dictates that we scrap!
on June 6,2013 | 10:30AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
it was 3 against one, you don't need a chokehold for that, they could easily restrain his arms and legs and pick him up prone.
on June 6,2013 | 10:39AM
lookup wrote:
where did u get 3 against 1? as far as I understand it so far, the 1 officer and the owner of the truck were the 1st to arrive and that is when the stuggle happened. when the 2nd officer arrived is when the ambulance was called, if I am reading what was reported correctly. could it be that the bruises occured when the officer was trying to arrest and handcuff stephen and a stuggle lead to a hold on the neck to take controll of the situation. the truth will all be revealed soon enough!
on June 6,2013 | 11:31AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
you're right, the report was officers but not how many, more than one for sure as the term "officers" implies.
on June 6,2013 | 12:13PM
Pocho wrote:
still not 3, hahahahahahaha
on June 6,2013 | 07:47PM
walaau808 wrote:
Is 3 against 1 really an advantage? I think it makes it harder for the police. Easily restrain him? Sure buddy...
on June 6,2013 | 11:38AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
you don't think so? you've never been detained by cops who are trained and have experience restraining people.
on June 6,2013 | 12:14PM
walaau808 wrote:
I have been detained before where multiple policeman where around. The difference is I showed them respect, didn't run, didn't mouth off, didn't fight.
on June 6,2013 | 03:01PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
you're rite, he deserved to die, tell that to his g/f's face.
on June 6,2013 | 03:08PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
how much time? all the time in the world if it's a theft case.
on June 6,2013 | 10:45AM
walaau808 wrote:
The million dollar question then is: why run if you not guilty? I'm talking about the time one has in a combative situation?
on June 6,2013 | 11:38AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
he probably was guilty of something since he ran, but you make it seem ok for him to die since he did run.
on June 6,2013 | 12:15PM
walaau808 wrote:
I'm not saying it's okay that a man died. I'm saying that none of us was there and there are many things we don't know. We are all making assumptions about who did what to whom. The bottom line to me is why run? What cop wouldn't chase you if you were running? Cops aren't perfect people. I would be pissed if I had to chase somebody and by the time I caught them (if I caught them) I wouldn't be in the best mood, especially if the suspect started taking a swing at me. Let me ask you this: if you were in a fight with somebody and gave them a few cracks, would you know which one of those cracks could be fatal? Be less quick to judge...
on June 6,2013 | 03:04PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
if the cop choked him out of anger, then he should be charged with manslaughter, and get anger management. i don't fight anybody, that's how i ended up in a choke hold in the first place. if i wanted to fight people and choke them to death, i would try to become a cop.
on June 6,2013 | 06:15PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Great judgement!
on June 6,2013 | 06:42PM
kahuku01 wrote:
Who knows what caused his death until the autopsy is completed. Maybe he already had a history of a medical problem and from resisting, it escalated the problem to cause his death. Anything could have been the cause but if only he abided by the officers command and not acted macho, he would be alive today.
on June 6,2013 | 06:40PM
Pocho wrote:
next time no run away. Respect the Law and listen to the man
on June 6,2013 | 07:48PM
Pocho wrote:
no one says the victim deserved to die. You said it.
on June 6,2013 | 07:48PM
bigislandkurt wrote:
Is the family able to ask for an independent autopsy?
on June 6,2013 | 06:57AM
McCully wrote:
Can you believe attorney Harrison on the scene sunday yapping about excessive force before the medical examiner report. He didn't do the autopsy yet he knows everything. Then when the report comes out he claims the medical examiner rigged the report in favor of the police. Get a grip Harrison, business must be slow for you and you make your legal field like a bunch of sharks waiting to sue.
on June 6,2013 | 07:11AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:05AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Last night's news said he didn't have a police record. Then again, why would he run when told to stop. Also, the medical examiner's report indicates he didn't die of assaultive injuries. Question is how did he die?
on June 6,2013 | 07:15AM
lookup wrote:
He ran because he was guilty of drug posession for sure due to evidence and possibly car theft. How he died will show up in the completed autopsy...drug use and the stuggle could have caused such an adrenalin rush that his heart/lungsm, etc could not cope and caused a failure to function properly.
on June 6,2013 | 11:37AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
look up "chokehold", it doesn't take much to kill someone, which is why mma fighters tap out.
on June 6,2013 | 12:16PM
8082062424 wrote:
i know this officer is a friend but the fact remains Doctors at castle hospital stated he was strangled and it what caused him to be brain dead. and the bruises on his body shows how far this officer went.
on June 6,2013 | 02:07PM
Pocho wrote:
although no more next time for the victim, he should have respected the Law and stood down.
on June 6,2013 | 07:50PM
KalikoBoy wrote:
IWhen the news showed the story it looked indeed that Dinnan had assault injuries. He was full of bruises and cuts and he looked all "buss up". What is this a cover up!
on June 6,2013 | 07:20AM
pakeheat wrote:
Are you a medical doctor?
on June 6,2013 | 07:50AM
primo1 wrote:
Some people commenting here are apparently: A) Police officers or members of law enforcement since they seem to know standard procedure for apprehending a suspect resisting arrest. B) Forensic doctors since they seem to know exactly what caused the bruises and abrasions on Dinnan's body (and also what caused his death). C) Eyewitnesses who saw the entire incident unfold and know exactly what happened going back to the car theft. D) Psychic or clairvoyant since they did not witness any of the events reported but still seem to know exactly what happened. Or E) All of the above.
on June 6,2013 | 09:22AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
does one need to be a doctor to say someone is dead with bruises?
on June 6,2013 | 09:49AM
primo1 wrote:
No - you just stated the obvious.
on June 6,2013 | 09:59AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:29AM
primo1 wrote:
I guess all we need to know is in that one news clip then. Case closed!
on June 6,2013 | 10:39AM
walaau808 wrote:
That's all captain COPY and paste has...
on June 6,2013 | 11:39AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
before you close the case, here's one from khon: http://www.khon2.com/2013/06/05/medical-examiner-no-assaultive-type-injuries-on-man-involved-in-police-scuffle/
on June 6,2013 | 12:17PM
Workingrl wrote:
"Harrison said an officer choked Dinnan unconscious and Dinnan’s back, neck and arms were covered in bruises." How does the lawyer know that? Was he there? And then there is the medical examiner report saying no assault injuries. I tend to believe the ME vs sleazy lawyer who tries to spin the story. If the guy was such an upstanding family man, why did he try to flee?
on June 6,2013 | 07:40AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Lawyers will say anything for a few pieces of silver. He sees deep pockets in the city and want his share of the pie.
on June 6,2013 | 07:44AM
PTF wrote:
Just like Michael Green with the Elderts/Deddy case.
on June 6,2013 | 08:30AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
yes, killer cops and the greedy attorneys who defend them, they should have their own tv show.
on June 6,2013 | 12:38PM
primo1 wrote:
He's not in it for the silver - he wants to go GREEN.
on June 6,2013 | 09:24AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
how do you know it's not pro bono? it's unlikely but the story doesn't say. don't assume anything, like you assume the cops are always right, even if someone dies like in this case.
on June 6,2013 | 12:25PM
inverse wrote:
Lets be honest about this how many lawyers take these type of cases because of the "goodness of their heart" or just want to make a killing on a big payout? Maybe in an parallel universe but in the world we live they are doing to make money peure and simple. For your statement to be true you would also have to say people going into politics to help their fellow citizens and NOT to line their pocketbooks with a big salary for a part-time job, generous retirement, jobs for their spouses such as a high paying university public relations position OR making sure their son gets into the State university Law school or numerous other side benefits too numerous to list.
on June 6,2013 | 02:43PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
you missed the point, which is don't assume anything. just because it's not stated doesn't make it so, there's many reasons why people do things, money being the primary but you don't know this attorney's motive, maybe he's a friend of the family and is doing it pro bono. 2nd, stick to the issue, don't talk politics if it's not in the article.
on June 6,2013 | 03:11PM
Pocho wrote:
read what you typed. Don't assume anything! hahahahahaha
on June 6,2013 | 07:51PM
MKN wrote:
@Workingrl: They showed pictures of the victim on the news last night. He had a neck immobilizing brace and lots of bruises on his arms and chest. Also, Teneri Maafala went on the news and stated that one of the methods that HPD uses to apprehend suspects is to put them in a chokehold. That particular chokehold is banned in 22 states, but not here in Hawaii.
on June 6,2013 | 09:49AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
how does he know he was unconscious and covered in bruises? maybe he has a t.v. set? http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:01AM
Pocho wrote:
lol, you killing me. hahahahahahahahaha
on June 6,2013 | 07:52PM
waianae94 wrote:
You are either a relative of the deceased or had a few visits to OCCC.
on June 6,2013 | 11:46PM
Manoa2 wrote:
Did you see the pictures? They were on the news and he had injuries all over and looked like a guy beaten up. Police officers need to make decisions under tough circumstances. They are not looking to kill anyone or hurt anyone. This was simply an accident-- officer just went a little too far. Since it is an accident, the officer should not be responsible, but the City should pay the deceased compensation.
on June 6,2013 | 01:43PM
MKN wrote:
@Manoa2: For normal citizens, going a little too far usually results in a manslaughter conviction. This cop if it is discovered that he used excessive force should be tried as such and he should lose his job permanently. Either way, the city is going to have to pay for this.
on June 6,2013 | 02:58PM
scooters wrote:
Amazing just how soon the 'Ambulance Chaser" showed up?
on June 6,2013 | 08:06AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:05AM
loquaciousone wrote:
If you read HB 775 that was signed by the Governor, over $25 million in taxpayer dollars are being paid out to claims against the State and another $3 million against the State DOT. Easy meat these government lawyers.
on June 6,2013 | 09:10AM
entrkn wrote:
... but he did steal and was in possession of the car and other property that belonged to the car owner and he did resist arrest.
on June 6,2013 | 09:26AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
yup, he derserved it for sure: http://www.kitv.com/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8906042/20444792/-/m202w3z/-/index.html
on June 6,2013 | 10:29AM
bmatsuda wrote:
but death sholdnt have been the penalty.
on June 6,2013 | 11:13AM
Pocho wrote:
the victim should have bowed down to the Law. He would still be alive today. Whats so hard listening to the cop and not resist the arrest? this is not the Chicken or the Egg question
on June 6,2013 | 07:54PM
aomohoa wrote:
There are good cops and bad cops but all ambulance chancing lawyers are slim!
on June 6,2013 | 09:41AM
PTF wrote:
Not all ambulance chasing lawyers. are slim. Some are fat.
on June 6,2013 | 09:45AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
ha, you made me laugh.
on June 6,2013 | 12:37PM
aomohoa wrote:
Ha Ha. So I can't spell. Slime. Happy. It's still true. LOL
on June 6,2013 | 01:31PM
PTF wrote:
Now it makes sense.
on June 6,2013 | 01:38PM
aomohoa wrote:
:)
on June 6,2013 | 02:37PM
loquaciousone wrote:
I remember back when, when one lawyer's license plate read "SUE UM". God did and that ambulance chaser is no longer with us.
on June 6,2013 | 10:36AM
pakeheat wrote:
You mean Mr. David Shutter?
on June 6,2013 | 04:04PM
Rickyboy wrote:
Posturing by both sides for the media. Medical examiners office premature conclusions appears to show bias. SHOPO chief glowing review of officer involved drawing a line in the sand. Hope for a thorough investigation unbiased and let the truth be known. Sympathy to ALL involved.
on June 6,2013 | 10:43AM
bmatsuda wrote:
This man was not shot, he didnt get tazed then the volts happend to kill him he was put in a choke hold by human hands went unconscious and died. You controll your body the cop knew he was squizing to put him out common man how can this not be murder?
on June 6,2013 | 10:45AM
Pocho wrote:
who knows?
on June 6,2013 | 07:54PM
ryan02 wrote:
First, this entire article is repeating what a LAWYER said happened -- a lawyer who wasn't even there. Shame on the SA for shoddy "reporting." Second, if he was so concerned about the safety of his kids, why did he fight with the police instead of cooperate? And third, even assuming he died from fighting with the police, at what point are the police supposed to stop fighting with a suspect just so the suspect doesn't get hurt? What happens if the suspect "fights until the end" -- are police supposed to just give up at some point because the guy is willing to fight to the death? The other articles said he went unresponsive AFTER the police were able to subdue him. So he was fighting right up until the police finally subdued him. Were the police supposed to just give up? How is continuing to struggle with a suspect WHO IS HIMSELF CONTINUING TO FIGHT excessive force?
on June 6,2013 | 10:55AM
bmatsuda wrote:
but death common man
on June 6,2013 | 11:26AM
walaau808 wrote:
the suspect had a choice...
on June 6,2013 | 11:41AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
it should happen to you or a family member, then let's see where your argument goes.
on June 6,2013 | 12:21PM
aomohoa wrote:
I have to agree with walaai808. If your family member is not a criminal there won't be a problem. If my family member was a criminal I would want the to turn their life around and turn themselves in. Do you think it is better to protect a criminal even in your own family? It's not. However I don't believe in excessive force. Why don't we all just wait until all the real facts come out in court.
on June 6,2013 | 01:35PM
walaau808 wrote:
I will say the same thing. We all have to make choices, and then we have to live with the consequences. Would the guy be alive if he hadn't run and resist? He chose to run and resist. The unfortunate consequence was death. Did the deceased think he was going to die? No. Did the arresting officer think the suspect was going to die? I can't believe he did. Again, choices and consequences. Does the officer regret his choice in the way this incident transpired? I'm sure he does.
on June 6,2013 | 03:10PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
that's a lot of assumptions, in an ideal world you'd be right, but it isn't a perfect world. chokeholds should be outlawed, the guy was maybe a thief and drug user at best, he didn't deserve to die by cop.
on June 6,2013 | 06:19PM
Pocho wrote:
he should not have resisted HPD. Too bad he didn't know how to listen to the Authourity
on June 6,2013 | 07:57PM
Pocho wrote:
if a family member resisted the cop, then so be it. It's his fault going 6' under. But I will sue HPD for some money.
on June 6,2013 | 07:56PM
Pocho wrote:
Lesson to be learned here by all. Obey the Law and Respect it
on June 6,2013 | 07:55PM
primo1 wrote:
I'm glad there are others who actually PAY ATTENTION to the news instead of generalizing, hypothesizing, and fantasizing.
on June 6,2013 | 11:30AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
and i'm glad there are some that research other news sources besides reading forum junk.
on June 6,2013 | 12:33PM
primo1 wrote:
Excellent research you provided (two links). Really shed some light on the whole situation. Get back to us when you find something that actually vindicates or implicates one of the involved parties.
on June 6,2013 | 01:02PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
it's two more than you.
on June 6,2013 | 06:20PM
Pocho wrote:
hahahahahahahahaha, you ain't no aku boat captain
on June 6,2013 | 07:58PM
lookup wrote:
ryan02 I am so glad you too see the greater picture!
on June 6,2013 | 11:55AM
saveparadise wrote:
Shame on the ambulance chaser lawyer who is convincing the family to cash in on Hawaii's taxpayers. Defiant criminals nor their families should be awarded any money for breaking the law and then defying capture. Insanity continues.....
on June 6,2013 | 11:05AM
lookup wrote:
you hit the nail right on the head!!! they are trying to ruin the life and career of one of Hawaii' Finest so that the lawyer can fill his pockets and the criminal lifestyle will prevail leaving the taxpayers of Hawaii to foot the bill. Pray everybody for the TRUTH to be revealed and No compromise!
on June 6,2013 | 11:46AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
das rite! kill da criminals! shoot da bad guys! COPS WITH KILLER CHOKEHOLDS OF DA WHIRLD UNITE!
on June 6,2013 | 12:34PM
8082062424 wrote:
So for you it ok for a cop to take some one life. no harm done/ This officer record should be open so we can see how many times he been written up. Hawaii finest give me a break he made wrong choices that cost a life he should no be on the force. you have cops arrest people every day and they manage not to kill them. and the victim was not a big person. this officer lost it and took things beyond what was called for and you want to make him a hero. give me a break
on June 6,2013 | 02:16PM
walaau808 wrote:
I finally agree with one thing you said: wrong choices that cost a life! It's very possible that the officer made a bad choice in the way the situation was handled. On the other side of that coin, the choice the suspect made to resist and run unfortunately resulted in his death. Bottom line: choose wisely, but be prepared to live with even the must unintended consequences.
on June 6,2013 | 03:16PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
life has a habit of making you eat your own words.
on June 6,2013 | 06:21PM
walaau808 wrote:
I'm not perfect. I live with the consequences of my choices everyday. Some are good, some aren't.
on June 6,2013 | 09:01PM
IMVHOAgain wrote:
You also have cops that get killed by drugies and derelicts all the time too. I'm sure the officer wasn't thinking, "gee, I hope this arrest gets physical so I can practice my MMA chokehold." Get real. The result was unfortunate but I don't blame the cop. 26 years on the force, that's a long time. I wonder if some of the smack talkers on this forum have even had a job for 26 weeks? Have even been alive as many years as this cop has been on the force?
on June 7,2013 | 09:31AM
csdhawaii wrote:
Well, of course there are two sides to every story and usually the truth is somewhere in between. All I can say is, I saw the interview of the girlfriend, who the news anchors described as "sobbing," but her interview reminded me a lot of Jodi Arias' testimony - zero tears. Yeah, scrunched up face and trying to sound very sobby, but not a single shred of moisture in the eyes.
on June 6,2013 | 11:11AM
ryan02 wrote:
May she would rather have the money Harrison will get her, than to have her boyfriend alive. She's the real winner here.
on June 6,2013 | 11:22AM
csdhawaii wrote:
Well, I think it's very likely she realizes what she could gain if their side of the story is believed so she'll do her part to promote it.
on June 6,2013 | 11:26AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
yes yes, show me da money! her b/f was a drug dealing, car stealing loser, she can do better with money in her pruse! the cops should get a reward!
on June 6,2013 | 12:36PM
kahuku01 wrote:
No. If she's the girlfriend, she wouldn't get anything because the next of kin (family) would be entitled to the law suit.
on June 6,2013 | 07:00PM
csdhawaii wrote:
They had two children together. The money would go into trust for the two kids, which she would probably manage as their mother.
on June 7,2013 | 12:38AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
rite on, everybody's in it for da money! who cares about this lowlife who died? he deserved everything that was coming to him, that's what you get if you run from honolulu's finest!
on June 6,2013 | 12:35PM
Pocho wrote:
I won't disagree with you on that point. Lesson learned here is to obey HPD, don't resist
on June 6,2013 | 08:00PM
IMVHOAgain wrote:
You definitely have your own issues, that is clear.
on June 7,2013 | 09:35AM
lynnh wrote:
Actually, they were not married. She is entitled to nothing. The kids are though, and they are the real losers here.
on June 6,2013 | 01:32PM
csdhawaii wrote:
She is their mother and might become the executor of their trust.
on June 7,2013 | 12:38AM
8082062424 wrote:
come on nothing will bring him back he is dead. she should go after the city then maybe things like this will not happen. cops bad behaviour is protected the public can not see it the union make sure of that
on June 6,2013 | 02:19PM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
das rite, kill em, kill em all! hahaha!
on June 6,2013 | 12:36PM
DocDen wrote:
Some cocky cops realize they are not held accountable. It's a problem for the good citizens.
on June 6,2013 | 01:23PM
DocDen wrote:
A man is dead. Being a cop with 26 years doesn't give anyone carte blanche to act out irresponsibly. The cop should be arrested and detained already.
on June 6,2013 | 12:59PM
Pocho wrote:
procedures, he ain't the one who tried to resist arrest.
on June 6,2013 | 08:01PM
lynnh wrote:
The facts of the matter are: He was alive and healthy before the police arrived, he was unarmed, and now he is dead. People don't just drop dead from being arrested. Something went terribly wrong or someone on the police force lost control of himself. I do not condone theft. I have been ripped off so many time over the year and I have no sympathy for them at all. But, there is something fishy going on here. Sounds like a specialist in Washington coverups is on the lose in Hawaii.
on June 6,2013 | 01:30PM
inverse wrote:
There are two sides to every story. FACT is Dinnan is a thief with drug paraphernalia and had strong motivation to evade escape and resist arrest from HPD. In that case there are too many videos show on TV where perps struggle with law enforcment and manage to take the officers weapon and use against him/her. In that case I have no problem with police using required force to immobilize the assailant and NEVER have situation where a perp kills an officer trying to enforce the law. The Deedy case is different as he was NOT law enforcment and he was NOT brought to Hawaii for law enforcement and drinking on his off-time. Maybe in the situation the officer was grappling with the perp and did not have time to utilize the taser and in that case I want the officers to testify under oath they felt they had to no choice to use a grappling move to neutralize Dinnan, Also if the officer testifies that he felt Dinaan was attempting to reach for the officers sidearm in the struggle, if I was a juror, I would take the side of the officer.
on June 6,2013 | 02:54PM
IMVHOAgain wrote:
It is not a known fact that he was healthy. Maybe he had a heart condition. Maybe too much drugs in his system.
on June 7,2013 | 09:40AM
jessapo wrote:
I pray for the children and family. May God keep them in his care.
on June 6,2013 | 02:28PM
DCAAA wrote:
I hope the family will in time find it in their hearts to forgive. Otherwise, it will always be a burden to their lives and make it harder to carry on.... Feel really bad for the little ones, the will never know their "daddy". I pray they will find comfort and peace...
on June 6,2013 | 02:46PM
Pocho wrote:
too bad pops was into drugs. Maybe if he didn't do drugs he wouldn't have some on him and he wouldn't have tried to run away. Lesson here, Say NO to Drugs
on June 6,2013 | 08:02PM
sak wrote:
Let's wait for the completed autopsy reports, there might have been ICE in his system. When police officers confront these crazy whacked out ICE HEADS, they can be all pumped up on the drug that gives them super strength. As far as running from the police when ordered to stop, he'll never do that again.
on June 6,2013 | 03:16PM
rhs763 wrote:
From the lawyer's BS-he wasn't present at the altercation, this sounds like a money-grab for the lawyer and his clients.
on June 6,2013 | 03:24PM
Adam1105 wrote:
"it's never the perps fault" was the phrase used to make fun of the family of young Mr. Dinnan. Whether he was an actual "perp" or not, it CAN'T BE Mr. Dinnan's own fault (that he died) because he was surrounded by police pummeling him it seems. What the HECK do you think happened, did Mr. Dinnan strike his own head against some policeman's muscled fist time after time after time?
on June 6,2013 | 04:35PM
lookup wrote:
You do not have the correct information so why make a comment about something you do not know about. There was only 1 officer who was there with the owner of the stolen truck. The next officer to arrive was the person who called the ambulance. Everyone needs to CHILL and wait for the results of the full autopsy. The truth will come out for sure and the owner of the stolen truck will be the star witness.
on June 6,2013 | 06:12PM
Mypualani wrote:
Mean da dope
on June 6,2013 | 06:16PM
Kapaho wrote:
How would the police know that he was running to put his kid in a car? Police have to make split second decisions or risk the chance of getting hurt/killed. They put their lives on the line everyday. Sure, some are arrogrant and think they are god but most are doing their job to preserve and protect. Sorry for the family.
on June 6,2013 | 07:09PM
Pocho wrote:
maybe he put his son in the car, then HPD and citizen tried to apprechend him so he wouldn't drive away.
on June 6,2013 | 08:04PM
MoiliiliBoy wrote:
Incident occurred on Monday and bruises showed up some time after that. Some people jump to conclusions that the incident LEAD TO THE BRUISING. Plenty people get bruising, from sports, grappling/MMA, or just "being a guy". If the evidence is so blatant, the truth will come out, but don't subscribe to the "A must have lead to B" theory, especially when the toxicology tests have yet to be revealed.
on June 6,2013 | 08:42PM
EvilGenius wrote:
I wish I could give the family a little magic box that had the ability to turn back time just once so they they could go back and try to make a different decision that would result in a different outcome. This incident is unfortunate but the realization that must be faced when a suspected criminal crosses paths with a police officer. I believe if this man had complied fully to the officers commands we would not even be discussing this issue regardless of the actions that followed. But because of non-compliance, this man decided to risk it all to challenge authority. Whatever may have happened after that was likely the result of escalation of force on the officers part as a result of the suspects actions. I'm so sorry for the family, the poor children, but I am not the sympathetic ear for the deceased on cases like these. Don't dwell on this. Educate from it. Aloha.
on June 6,2013 | 09:52PM
BRock wrote:
Police are allowed to use reasonable force, and sometimes people die. Let the investigation determine whether the force used was reasonable or not. Nothing in this story is conclusive yet. The medical examiner did make a strong statement about the injuries though and at least at this time I think the weight is on the side of the officer.
on June 6,2013 | 09:58PM
waianae94 wrote:
Should excessive forced be used to the point that meth heads automatically get killed? Of course not. But do you read in the paper about how innocent, non-druggies get killed by cops? Nope. It's always a meth-head or repeat criminals that get killed "accidentally." Keep your nose clean and you will never have to worry about it happening to you.
on June 6,2013 | 10:27PM
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