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Honolulu given go-ahead to begin heavy construction on rail

By Kevin Dayton

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LAST UPDATED: 03:32 p.m. HST, Feb 06, 2012


The federal government has granted a key approval that will allow the city to immediately begin up to $184.7 million in construction and other activities on the city's rail project, including erecting the first sections of raised guideway from East Kapolei to Pearl Highlands.

The approval announced by U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye today allows the city to move forward with construction before the federal government has actually committed to contributing its proposed $1.55 billion share of funding for the 20-mile rail project. The city hopes to obtain a final committment for federal assistance by October.

The federal approval for new construction work came in the form of a "letter of no prejudice" from the Federal Transit Administration that authorizes the city to proceed with building the rail system, but does not obligate the federal government to help pay for that construction.

"We have debated and discussed a rail transit plan for Oahu for decades, and I am very pleased that the administration is allowing the city to proceed with construction," Inouye said in his announcement. "Too many hard working families on the West side of the island spend too much of their time stuck in traffic.  This project offers an alternative to driving and helps lessen our dependence on imported fossil fuels."

Inouye also said construction of the rail line will create jobs.

The entire 20-mile rail line will extend from East Kapolei to Ala Moana Center, and will cost an estimated $5.27 billion. Most of that funding will come from a half-percent excise tax surcharge levies on Oahu residents and visitors.

 







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what wrote:
And so will begin the construction of the most expensive Monument to Concrete, Blight, Fiscal Irresponsibility, Waste, and Insane Spending ever witnessed in Hawaii.
on February 6,2012 | 01:02PM
Changalang wrote:
Told you guys. Don't be surprised if the FFA comes in by July. Go Ben Go !
on February 6,2012 | 03:32PM
Changalang wrote:
Repost: Changalang wrote: An additional half billion now to underwrite Rail (see above story); watch that property tax rate increase magically increase now to cover the Train wreck. They have already raised everything else within City jurisdiction. Remember when the mayor worked for the people who voted for them? The good ole days vs. the good ole boys. Letter of No Prejudice coming soon. on January 31,2012 | 04:36PM ............................................................................................................................................................Time to win the war. Form up on Ben and fight as if your futures depend on it; because it does !
on February 6,2012 | 04:05PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
The PEOPLE voted for rail.
on February 6,2012 | 04:48PM
Changalang wrote:
And I respect that and have consistently been telling the hardcore Rail people that Rail is inevitable and any elected Mayor will not be able to stop it. The PEOPLE also get a chance to vote for leadership in Honolulu Hale in August and November. Can you respect that?
on February 6,2012 | 05:00PM
hawaiikone wrote:
Funny thing is, I've lived here all my life, voted every election, and I never had a chance to vote for rail. So you are totally wrong with your comment.
on February 6,2012 | 05:46PM
palika wrote:
Rail has had more debates and "votes" than any other project, program or initiative that I can remember. The legislature had hearings on the surcharge, the city council had numerous hearings on the mode, route, even technology although they could not make a decision. And there were votes on rail for steel on steel and a transit authority at the ballot box. Conversely, we have never had the chance to vote for or against H-3, the Convention Center, SuperFerry, the DOE budget which is about $2bill per year, and many other expensive tax payer funded projects and programs. Come to think of it, when did we get a chance to vote on the $1Trillion mid-east wars?
on February 6,2012 | 06:01PM
hawaiikone wrote:
Good thing you put those quotation marks around "votes". I guess you agree with me that we've never had a chance to vote on whether to have a rail or not.
on February 6,2012 | 06:09PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
WHAT "VOTE:"? The only vote I got to make was the steel-on-steel one.
on February 6,2012 | 06:30PM
frontman wrote:
No.............they voted for iron or rubber wheels ...........
on February 6,2012 | 07:35PM
ammb3 wrote:
Go read the facts and interpret them correctly Mahea.
on February 6,2012 | 09:21PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
Yes! The PEOPLE voted for rail!
on February 6,2012 | 05:00PM
matsuyama wrote:
The people didn't know what they were voting for. They thought it would be like other cities where they only spend $1000 per family on a transit project, NOT $20000 plus.
on February 6,2012 | 05:27PM
hawaiikone wrote:
see above
on February 6,2012 | 05:46PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
No worries, construction of the rail project will not increase property taxes. It's being paid for by GET taxes and federal funds. Tourists are paying for 30% of the GET and 25% of the GET needed has already been collected. At this rate their will be a surplus by the time construction is pau in 2022.
on February 6,2012 | 05:07PM
Changalang wrote:
Personally, I accept Rail's inevitability and choose to dwell on the positives of this massive infrastructure project. I support the jobs for the Construction industry, albeit many of the high level tasks will be from an expert import workforce. However, I see my Oahu Ohana breaking under the strain of the OTHER City costs and sincerely feel that Honolulu Hale needs to have a leadership contingency that can see the suffering too. People who have known nothing but Hawaii deserve to raise their kids here with a realistic expectation of a sustainable quality of life. Honolulu Hale needs a fiscally responsible and focused Mayor to take care of the PEOPLE that don't know any better, but deserve better anyway. The truth is what it always is; and those who adapt best accept the truth and learn how to make it work for them. Rail's inevitability has always been the truth. Honolulu's next Mayor is yet to be determined.
on February 6,2012 | 05:33PM
hoku_kai wrote:
Finally! Rail is moving forward. This is what the people of Honolulu voted for. And they're finally getting their wish.
on February 6,2012 | 04:33PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Without commitment by the FTA and with the primary coming up in August, Mayor Carlisle would not risk becoming dead meat in the Primary by starting construction without FTA commitment.
on February 6,2012 | 06:23PM
Changalang wrote:
Yes he would. He has to. He is single digit and Kirk is about 35 in real polling. He was to start heavy Construction if he wants to have a chance of buying more time past August and running against Ben in November. Ben is low 40's without even campaigning. Carlisle is dead meat if he does not get the Pro-Rail hui union network vote and big boy backers behind him. At least Peter finally put down the Heineken. The weaker Kirk gets, the stronger Ben gets.
on February 6,2012 | 07:21PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
This is great news. Rail is finally coming to Honolulu.
on February 6,2012 | 04:40PM
palika wrote:
Some of us have waited 40 years for rail, since Fasi first proposed it as the Honolulu Area Rapid Transit project, just about the same time BART was getting underway. And if we had started it back then, we would be arguing about the next extension: should it be Mililani or Hawaii Kai, or out to Waianae, not whether its a good idea or not.
on February 6,2012 | 06:04PM
ammb3 wrote:
Don't worry about the next extension. Honolulu and its' residents will be broke by then and many of the local people forced to move to the mainland because of the high taxes (water, sewer, property taxes, etc.). Rail is unaffordable and unpractical in Honolulu in any form!
on February 6,2012 | 09:28PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Not yet. Any attempt between now and August to start construction without FTA commitment would be deadly to the re-election of Mayor Carlisle.
on February 6,2012 | 06:25PM
pakeheat wrote:
Good news for you if you're planning on using it daily, however the problem is the majority of ones driving will not use it, I hope that is really good news for you, are you prepared to have you're property taxes go up and extending the .5% G.E.T. going beyond 2023?
on February 6,2012 | 08:05PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Should Mayor Carlisle start anything between now and August WITHOUT any commitment from the FTA, he is dead meat in the August primary.
on February 6,2012 | 06:21PM
frontman wrote:
Ben.........Save Hawaii Taxpayers NOW
on February 6,2012 | 07:34PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Green light, stop, go, stop, go, stop, go, red light. Green light, go, stop, go, stop, go, stop, go, stop, go, red light. Get used to it Leeward residents. HERE COME DA CONSTRUCTION for the next ten, maybe fifteen, years when the iwi, protests and lawsuits come?
on February 6,2012 | 07:56PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
The approval announced by U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye today allows the city to move forward with construction before the federal government has actually committed to contributing its proposed $1.55 billion share of funding for the 20-mile rail project. The federal approval does not obligate the federal government to help pay for that construction.

Remember when we were told that we would not proceed until we were sure the Feds would fund their portion? Now we charge ahead to create the momentum that nothing will stop rail, even if the Hawaii taxpayer gets jammed of an additional $1.55 billion. There really is just one answer left and that id to throw your full support behind Ben Cayetano for Mayor and get rid of those weasels who lied to us so badly.
on February 6,2012 | 01:07PM
droid wrote:
It may be too late to put the brakes on rail if Honolulu waits until Ben Cayetano can take the reins. It may be necessary to recall Mayor Carlisle now. I wonder if the Stop Rail Now gang can muster up a new petition? That is the only real question at this point.
on February 6,2012 | 04:54PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
The federal govt and our federal officials in Congress all fully support this much needed project.
on February 6,2012 | 04:56PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Wrong. The letter "authorizes the city to proceed with building the rail system, but does not obligate the federal government to help pay for that construction."
on February 6,2012 | 06:26PM
pakeheat wrote:
Funny how they are rushing to get started with construction of the pillars which they say will cost about 184.7 million even before FFA in Oct. I suspect they are worried after November a new president will take the oval office and possibly not getting the full 1.55 billion? As commented before by Mr. Tom Berg, we have all of our Representatives from Congress, Governor, Mayor, most of the City Council, and the majority in the Legislature all favored rail, and Unions have the ball in their hands. It will be always controlled this way and their is no more hope. WE had a chance to vote for Panos to kill rail once and for all, we get what we deserve.
on February 6,2012 | 08:22PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
The full funding grant agreement will be delivered before the election. The FTA has never given a project the green light and not come through with the federal funds . . . ever. Relax. It's a done deal.
on February 6,2012 | 05:11PM
FLIPTOP2 wrote:
Ya and I got 20 acres of swamp land in Florida to sell ya!!!!
on February 6,2012 | 06:13PM
ammb3 wrote:
Yes, reckless behavior by the current lawmakers.
on February 6,2012 | 09:29PM
hon2255 wrote:
This is the worst project planning in the history of our state for such a major project which will put us in debt forever, with upkeep and maintainence, not to mention it's heavy rail ,with HEAVY NOISE taking up all the beauty or what's left of it in Honolulu. The lawsuit hopefully will prevail to stop this stupid, unaffordable mode of transportation, going no where. We need to concentrate on our sewers ,water lines, roads,Mr Carlisle and Governor .
on February 6,2012 | 01:10PM
what wrote:
Inouye says rail will decrease our dependence on oil. Does he think this train runs on fairy dust? It burns oil just like cars (electricity is made from oil). And studies have shown that transit trains use just as much oil as cars when you consider that during off peak hours the train will be mostly empty.
on February 6,2012 | 01:13PM
hoku_kai wrote:
I'm thankful that the mayor, the city council, the governor, the state legislator, and the enitre Congressional fully support the project. And the people voted for it after hundreds of public hearings.
on February 6,2012 | 04:46PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
What a wonderful day - the future of Honolulu is bright.
on February 6,2012 | 04:54PM
hawaiikone wrote:
obviously you're someone on entitlements without any financial liability for this rail joke.
on February 6,2012 | 05:41PM
FLIPTOP2 wrote:
Ain't gonna do us who live in Mililani any good until 2020 at earliest!!!!!!
on February 6,2012 | 06:14PM
pakeheat wrote:
So do you suspect it will better after 2020?
on February 6,2012 | 08:23PM
mcc wrote:
What's the rush for?
on February 6,2012 | 01:12PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Election year. Carlisle needs votes from construction workers. He wants to buy them with our money.
on February 6,2012 | 02:09PM
Changalang wrote:
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding ! We have a winner !
on February 6,2012 | 03:33PM
kainalu wrote:
Rush? I've been waiting 40-years for a rail.
on February 6,2012 | 04:00PM
hoku_kai wrote:
My family. Our entire community has been waiting since the 70's. Go Rail Go!
on February 6,2012 | 04:34PM
frings wrote:
Hoku...I lived in Hawaii Kai in the late 60s and 70s and supported the late great Frank Fasi's attempt to bring a apid transit system to the east side. The naysayers blocked him then as they continue to do today. I'd like to think that Mayor Fasi, the visionary that he was, is looking down and smilig on Hawaii today.
on February 6,2012 | 05:59PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
Rush? It's been 40 years. Jump on board.
on February 6,2012 | 04:41PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Read it carefully, everyone. The federal government has given the OK for the city to proceed with building the rail system, but does not obligate the federal government to help pay for that construction. The caution flag is being waved. It is telling the city it is OK to proceed with construction and that the taxpayers of Honolulu may be on the hook to pay the entire cost of the project. It will be interesting to see how the mayor and HART officials spin this one. Incidentally, the city has never needed federal approval to build the rail system. The only reason fed approval has been sought is to hopefully get the feds to share in the cost. My guess is the city now will proceed full speed ahead and will say "sorry people" when fed money does not materialize. Then they will say: "We have already spent and committed too much money to stop now," and then our property taxes will skyrocket out of sight to pay for the disaster. If we have ever needed Ben, it is now.
on February 6,2012 | 01:22PM
cojef wrote:
You are very astute read that phrase that state the letter in No way obligates the government to help pay fot rail project. Key phrase that the City should be leery about. From the comments spouting from Uncle Dan, he is in favor of the Rail. The rail will not alleviate the traffic problem. Politicians have way of saying the wrong thing as if it's a fact. Confusing, well that's double talk.
on February 6,2012 | 02:10PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
Thank you Senator Inouye for your courage and leadership.
on February 6,2012 | 04:50PM
hybrid1 wrote:
If Slater's lawsuit/injunction does not stop the construction, it will be necessary to convert the completed elevated guideway to a "two-lane reversible bypass" for HOV3/carpools/Express buses which will eliminate the H-1 merge bottleneck at the Kunia eastbound merge. A new Kam highway reversible bypass will then be built to eliminate the next bottleneck at the H-1/H-2 merge.
on February 6,2012 | 02:50PM
Bean808 wrote:
Hey I caught that one too. I guess someone thought that out of excitement we'd miss that one. They are going to have to get petty creative for Oahu residents to pick up the tab. Property tax up 1000% plus, no sewers, no need to fix roads, no parks, etc. This is a laugh.
on February 6,2012 | 03:40PM
hanoz808 wrote:
wow! so what happens if the monies dont come in??
on February 6,2012 | 02:04PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Simple answer. Property taxes double or triple and the GET surcharge increases one or two percent and the surcharge gets extended indefinitely. There are no other ways.
on February 6,2012 | 02:12PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
No evidence or truth to what you are saying. Everyone fully supports this project: city council, state legislature, Congressional delegation, the mayor, the governor, and the FTA.
on February 6,2012 | 04:53PM
hawaiikone wrote:
everyone except the taxpayers
on February 6,2012 | 05:42PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Yes, but WHO do you think will pay for the yearly Rail subsidy, HART and Rail Security? Not the city council. Not the state legislature. Not the Congressional delegation. Not the mayor. Not the governor Not the FTA. It is as sure as the sun rises in the East that there will be overruns. WHO will pay for the overruns? Not the FTA. Not the governor. Not the Congressional delegation. Not the state legislature. Not the city council. But us property owners and renters.
on February 6,2012 | 05:48PM
pakeheat wrote:
You are exactly right, every time I bring up the same question, no answers because they know what's going to happen but won't admit it.
on February 6,2012 | 08:31PM
Bean808 wrote:
Ask Dan.
on February 6,2012 | 03:41PM
Changalang wrote:
B0HIC0 ! Bend Over Here It Comes Oahu.
on February 6,2012 | 04:24PM
Haumeakai wrote:
Taxes go up or the project is abandoned and we are left for with a major eye-sore. Would my bank let me make a downpayment on a house if I interviewed for a job but wasn't sure I would actually get the job? Of course not. But we're going ahead with a $5 billion project...it's insane.
on February 6,2012 | 04:52PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
The project is pay as you go. 25% of GET funds already collected. It's going to put thousands of local people to work and get our economy humming! This project is the best thing that's happened to Oahu since statehood, whether you look at it from a transportation, planning or economic point of view.
on February 6,2012 | 05:28PM
pakeheat wrote:
Nope, you are definitely guessing it's the best thing that's happened to Oahu since statehood. Show us the financial plan when there is cost over-runs, delays, operational/maintenance cost as long as it's still running? Thousands of local people to work, we shall see, and our economy humming, for how long? So what you're saying it's a jobs project and never was an alternative to congestion, are you trying to deceive the public?
on February 6,2012 | 08:40PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
The money will come. $120 million has already come in and a big chunk will come in the 3rd quarter this year. The Feds have never given a rail project the green light and failed to come through with the funding.
on February 6,2012 | 05:14PM
hawaiikone wrote:
you just don't get it. we have far more important things to pay for, which we can't even afford.
on February 6,2012 | 05:44PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Do your homework BluesBreaker. Most of the $120 million has come from earmarks stuck in legislation by our congressional delegation and not from the FTA funds for rail projects.
on February 6,2012 | 09:31PM
butinski wrote:
Daniel, I hate to say it but it's time for you to retire. Your legacy will not be of the many benefits you brought to Hawaii but will forever be of your steadfast support for this unwanted rail system. Whether Ben can undo the damage if elected remains to be seen but clearly, your usefulness to Hawaii is sadly over.
on February 6,2012 | 02:10PM
Anonymous wrote:
Ditto: You will no longer be around when the future generations are going to pay for this rail that will need continuous tax funding for a small portion of the population. Why are you not looking at restructuring of our highway systems from the middle street area to the University of Hawaii. People from the east will benefit too from this reconstruction. The on and off ramps in those area causes the bottlenecks and lead to us using more fuel. Widening the highway after the Pearl City off ramp to the H1/H2 area will allow the afternoon traffic to flow a lot better. Again leading to saving fuel. Continuation of the viaduct from middle street to Atkinson Avenue with minimal on and off ramps will again save fuel. Oil alternatives will one day be more significant however taxes will always be there and get only higher in percentage wise meaning people will have less to spend.
on February 6,2012 | 03:56PM
mainland_refugee wrote:
Better to put some of that money into the bus system as well.
on February 6,2012 | 04:03PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
We do not need more roads. We do not need more gas guzzling buses. We need rail. Now.
on February 6,2012 | 05:03PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
Thank you Senators Inouye and Akaka for leading the way.
on February 6,2012 | 05:02PM
FLIPTOP2 wrote:
....down the river without a paddle."
on February 6,2012 | 06:17PM
Wazdat wrote:
Dan is a SENILE old man who needs to RETIRE...
on February 6,2012 | 09:06PM
Vivgie wrote:
Thanx, Danno! A lot of States would kill to get money like this for their people. One of the perks of being Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.
on February 6,2012 | 02:13PM
inverse wrote:
Do you read the article? It stated the Feds have NOT committed an monies to the Oahu rail project, other than what has already been authorized, which is like 30-40 million. The EARLIEST chance Hawaii could possibly be funded would be in 2013, just AFTER the upcoming presidential election. If Romney becomes the next president there is ZERO chance any REAL money will be used to fund the Oahu rail and even if Obama manages to get re-elected, the House and even the Senate, WITH Inouye, will be able to get enough congressmen to approve such a spending project when the US deficit is now around $15 TRILLION. Inouye will be as successful in getting a majority to vote for approval for such WASTEFUL spending as he was trying to get the Akaka bill passed. In the end HAWAII taxpayers will be on the hook for almost all of the $7 BILLION this rail will cost. Cayetano will become the next mayor, however by then the HART will probably have wasted about 1/2 BILLION dollars on this train to nowhere before it can be stopped for good. Hawaii taxpayers will be taking a loss on this project, no matter what and that is HART/Carlisle/Parsons/Toru's plan to spend all of the money they have in their control before they lose it permanently. SAD...given SUPPOSEDLY these people were elected, appointed and/or hired to look out for the people's best interest.
on February 6,2012 | 02:48PM
Changalang wrote:
The FFA will expire by 31 DEC 2012. On the very slim chance Mitt pulls it off, he will not be inaugurated until JAN 2013 and will have much greater priorities than sticking a thumb in Sen. Inouye's eye fresh out of the gate. It is a done deal. The FFA will be delivered by October at the latest. People should focus on saving the City now.
on February 6,2012 | 03:46PM
jkjones wrote:
how many puffs did it take to get that thought out?
on February 6,2012 | 06:06PM
Changalang wrote:
No puffs. It is 100% fact. Check Obama vs. Mitt polls out today, and then check the details of the FFA regarding the Honolulu Rail Project. Then, hold your breath until you pass out. Maybe you won't wake up stupid. There is always a chance, but I won't hold my breath. :)
on February 6,2012 | 07:05PM
inverse wrote:
Inouye does NOT have the power he used to have, EVEN among Democrats. Regardless of Inouye, military spending will always be a priority, thanks to China and North Korea and Hawaii's proximity to being pretty much the "buffer zone" between these countries and the US Mainland. Nuclear subs homeported in Hawaii is much closer to the Chinese/Asian coast than the US West coast and most missiles that are launched from China or North Korea aimed at the mainland US will have to fly over Hawaii first. Anti-missile missiles or even future laser weapons mounted on airplanes is best stationed in Hawaii where to intercept such missiles. Inouye lost his incredible influence congress years ago and he is no longer feared by Republicans OR Democrats. His title of pork king has caught up with him and the majority of Americans see the Oahu rail project for what it is: Nothing more than a money grab by special interest at taxpayers expense. Chris Christie was hailed as one of the few elected government officials who actually has a spine and actually looking out for his constituents by rejecting millions in Federal money for a rail tunnel to nowhere that would have bankrupted his state. The Oahu rail project is a sham and everyone not feeding at the rail trough knows this to be true. The Oahu rail will FAIL and the ONLY unknown quantity is what will be the LOSS to Hawaii and federal taxpayers before it is shut down permanently.
on February 6,2012 | 06:45PM
Changalang wrote:
You are misinformed. Every Senator's pork goes through Inouye's committee or it does not get funded. D.C. is all about pay to play, and Uncle Dan is Yoda of Appropriations. It is an election year, and everybody smells bacon. Get real. Chris Christie has a pork problem of his own around his waistline and is a legend in your own mind; surely a political nothing on the national stage. Hawaii is not Jersey. Christie is there because Corzine jacked up the property tax beyond bearable before he raided MF Global. Check their property tax rates. That's us in five short years.
on February 6,2012 | 08:46PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Yea,now Christie is praising Jersey Shores ,j- wow,the situation,and the other stars for bringing success to New Jersey.
on February 6,2012 | 09:14PM
MakaniKai wrote:
My heart is breaking as this blight of 19th – 20th century transportation jobs payoff for the elected and connected is continually shoved in our face. I voted for none of the thieves currently in office! As mentioned in a previous post – our property taxes will go up, make no mistake. There is so much work available to upgrade our current infrastructure that OBTW was never designed to accommodate the amount of vehicles that travel these roads daily. Oahu is a Hawaiian island not Chicago, New York, Singapore, Tokyo, San Francisco, etc. You want to ride a train go the Pearl Ridge, garens not one elected official will be riding. GO BEN GO. Aloha
on February 6,2012 | 02:25PM
hoku_kai wrote:
H1 is the most congested highway in the entire country. Of course, everyone from the West side will want to ride it.
on February 6,2012 | 04:37PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
We'll ride it. My family. My friends. We will all ride rail.
on February 6,2012 | 04:57PM
pakeheat wrote:
You don't have too many friends, I guess, LOL.
on February 6,2012 | 08:46PM
inverse wrote:
The is nothing but a B S statement. Researchers studied the speed at certain choke points along H1 and then compared that speed to other highways in the nation. HOWEVER what they did NOT compare is that the length of section in which people travel at a slowed velocity is much SHORTER than compared to other commutes taken Oahu's mainland counterparts. It is ONLY 20 miles from Kapolei to downtown Honolulu, which is the length of the proposed rail while commute lengths for people living in LA, San Francisco, Seattle, etc. is MUCH longer. From morning traffic commute times on days private and UH is out from Kapolei to Honolulu is about 50 minutes. Worse case scenario, barring an accident on the major H1 corrider is maybe 70 minutes. If you have ever commuted in rush hour traffic in LA from North to South (I-5) or vice versa where your travel distance is easily double the Kapolei to Honolulu commute, the OVERALL drive time for these mainland cities are easily DOUBLE what Oahu commuters face. And since as I mentioned the unique situation of Oahu is the school commuting crowd which creates the worst traffic and travel times, which using the rail is USELESS for these commuters, in the end, rail will NOT in any way shape or from, improve traffic time or flow for Oahu. If you are school commuter from the West side you will NOT use the rail and instead use an express BUS like the Country! route.
on February 6,2012 | 06:58PM
pakeheat wrote:
You make sense inverse, proponents can't see through that.
on February 6,2012 | 08:46PM
pakeheat wrote:
Everyone? B.S. You aren't telling the truth
on February 6,2012 | 08:44PM
Wazdat wrote:
NOT TRUE have you ever been on the 405 in LA ???????
on February 6,2012 | 09:07PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Choo,choo,choo....Go Rail Go........choo,choo,choo...........Go Rail Go.......Toot! Toot!
on February 6,2012 | 02:27PM
pakeheat wrote:
I didn't know you love playing with toy trains, LOL. Grow-up!
on February 6,2012 | 08:47PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
hotpake, toot,toot!!
on February 6,2012 | 09:19PM
islandsun wrote:
Hey westsiders, here comes the cones and delays. All for nothing when Ben gets in!
on February 6,2012 | 03:02PM
timtower wrote:
I love reading the comments
on February 6,2012 | 03:06PM
Changalang wrote:
Pray for Federal funding so the pain of Oahu is lessened by $1.55 billion less. This is only the beginning of indentured servitude for the people of Oahu. As stated, Rail is inevitable. We can still save the City, though. Caldwell and Carlisle; two faces of the same Coin that at one time belonged to the Oahu taxpayer. The double "C" is fiscal Cancer to the people of this city. Ben is the Cure. Go Ben Go !
on February 6,2012 | 03:42PM
Changalang wrote:
Pray for Federal funding so the pain of Oahu is lessened by $1.55 billion less. This is only the beginning of indentured servitude for the people of Oahu. As stated, Rail is inevitable. We can still save the City, though. Caldwell and Carlisle; two faces of the same Coin that at one time belonged to the Oahu taxpayer. The double "C" is fiscal Cancer to the people of this city. Ben is the Cure. Go Ben Go !
on February 6,2012 | 03:39PM
Changalang wrote:
Pray for Federal funding so the pain of Oahu is lessened by $1.55 billion less. This is only the beginning of indentured servitude for the people of Oahu. As stated, Rail is inevitable. We can still save the City, though. Caldwell and Carlisle; two faces of the same Coin that at one time belonged to the Oahu taxpayer. The double "C" is fiscal Cancer to the people of this city. Ben is the Cure. Go Ben Go !
on February 6,2012 | 03:42PM
MightyMakiki wrote:
Yes! Imua!!!
on February 6,2012 | 03:48PM
Mahea_Honolulu wrote:
Rail will move us forward!!
on February 6,2012 | 04:59PM
hawaiikone wrote:
well, it will get us moving, to our second and third job, which we'll need to pay all the increased taxes that are coming.
on February 6,2012 | 05:50PM
pakeheat wrote:
more moving away from this bunch of clowns running this State, and possibly more homelessness?
on February 6,2012 | 08:49PM
mainland_refugee wrote:
And it starts from going NOwhere to Nowhere... stupid as stupid can be. Most of the folks I know that live out there on the west side of the Island have told me that they have NO intention to ride the (stupid) train. If the ones who need to ride the train are not going to, then WHO will???
on February 6,2012 | 04:02PM
hoku_kai wrote:
EVERYONE who sits in the traffic now will want to ride it.
on February 6,2012 | 04:38PM
pakeheat wrote:
hoku_kai you are a liar, prove it? Votes cast in 2008 favored rail 53% to 47% plus minus, so I guess the 47% will want to ride it?
on February 6,2012 | 08:51PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
I will! From West Oahu Campus, Leeward Community College, on to Honolulu Community College. This rail will go to 3 out of 4 UH campus, and along the most populace corridor of Oahu. To a major airport, through the heart of Kalihi, China town ,the financial district,historic district and government hub! Mainland refugee, will it block the view in your condo? Get over it. The local families need this. Kids from Kalihi through Honolulu will be attending West Oahu, and yes this rail goes both ways!
on February 6,2012 | 05:00PM
pakeheat wrote:
Yes you will NanakuliBoss, but majority won't. BTW, since you support it, I hope you ride on holidays, weekends, and nights too?
on February 6,2012 | 08:54PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mr.Lum,pip down.
on February 6,2012 | 09:20PM
drgrfs1 wrote:
Just remember people, the traffic will only continue to get worse as the inevitable population will continue to grow. The rail system will help decrease the traffic as those who say they will not ride sit in traffic for greater periods will change there minds. There is no quality of life behind the wheel of a car but with your family at home.
on February 6,2012 | 05:23PM
Changalang wrote:
Especially with one lane on each side of H1 West closed for at least a decade for Rail construction.
on February 6,2012 | 08:39PM
hybrid1 wrote:
? H-1 West distance separated from rail route.
on February 7,2012 | 08:00AM
hawaiikone wrote:
the homeless
on February 6,2012 | 05:47PM
Pukele wrote:
This is just too risky. We should wait until the FTA signs a Full Funding Grant Agreement and the lawsuit in Federal Court is decided. This wait will be approximately 9 months. If HART spends these risky dollars and the FTA can only come up with 75% of what we think we need, who pays? If HART spends these risky dollars and the lawsuit in Federal Court decides for the plaintiffs, all the dollars are lost. If HART spends these risky dollars and then the cost for Segments #1 and #2 comes in over budget, who pays? There is a very high-risk decision.
on February 6,2012 | 04:07PM
pakeheat wrote:
NO, they plan that way. Get it going full force, then it will be hard to stop. Unions and mostly greed behind the charade.
on February 6,2012 | 08:55PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Ben will veto plan to issue bonds for rail construction as GET intake will not keep pace with construction cost. Ben's veto and his order to stop city employees from helping HART and anything rail-related will effectively kill rail in its tracks. Vote Ben C!
on February 7,2012 | 08:04AM
kennysmith wrote:
if they are going to do this, they just do a real good job in puting it in.
on February 6,2012 | 04:41PM
soundofreason wrote:
UNbelIEVable!!!
on February 6,2012 | 05:38PM
soundofreason wrote:
INJUNCTION!!!!.....NOW!!!
on February 6,2012 | 05:40PM
Changalang wrote:
"The Prime Directive dictates that there can be no interference with the internal development of alien civilizations." (Wikipedia) Judge Wally must be a Star Trek fan. His record on the bench has always been guided by exhaustive examination of the record. His historical record in Hawaii as pinch hitters for the recused has been of sprinkled with the Prime Directive. There is a very strong chance that the FFA will make to Calrisle's desk before the City's attorneys get the documents requested to Judge Wally's desk. Think before August.
on February 6,2012 | 06:05PM
hawaiikone wrote:
This is so unbelievable. To actually see rail continue to move forward with such overwhelming objections from the taxpayers. What is happening? How can this be, that we're allowing this to be forced on us. Cries for a clear, final, unclouded vote go ignored. The dwindling number of supporters continue to preach their nonsense, and this ridiculous venture in political power moves ahead. Even many of my union friends have realized taking this quick fix for jobs is going to saddle them with more and larger problems down the road, and have joined those in opposition. Is it too late, or can we still halt this thing.
on February 6,2012 | 06:05PM
palika wrote:
Rail will be controversial until it is built and people start using the train. Just remember that H-1 was controversial, too. When it was first proposed in the sixties, opponents called it the "great big gash through paradise" and said it would make Hawaii too much like LA. They said it would cost too much, and be a blight on our island. But where would we be without the highway system today?
on February 6,2012 | 06:11PM
Changalang wrote:
The people in the West will have to sit in way worse traffic for a decade with closed lanes for Rail construction. By year two, the natives will be very restless. Just another prediction. :)
on February 6,2012 | 06:19PM
Kuniarr wrote:
"....but does not obligate the federal government to help pay for that construction." says it all. It means NOTHING actually. Remember. If Mayor Carlisle wants to build rail he does not need the permission of the FTA at all - as long as the FTA is not going to help pay for it. So what exactly does the FTA letter mean? NOTHING.
on February 6,2012 | 06:16PM
Changalang wrote:
It means HART met the onus of fiscal certainty and assurances required by the FTA to obtain the FFA. it means the opposite of nothing. It means the Feds just greenlighted starting heavy construction because they do not see any reason why coming Federal funds will be hindered. Carlisle has no choice but to run the actuality of Rail and the $1.55 billion against Cayetano and mostly Kirk. Caldwell's campaign is based on how he would do Rail better. Peter is destroying that narrative by actually delivering the "dream" ahead of schedule. It is mostly because internal polling confirms that the PBN poll had votes over-estimated for Peter. Oahu will not vote against $1.55 billion dollars; ever. On the bright side, the cannibalism of the two Pro Rail candidate has begun. As good as the PBN poll was for Kirk, the Letter of No Prejudice is equally bad. This is going to be fun to watch.
on February 6,2012 | 06:54PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Indeed the letter means NOTHING simply because of the at this time the FTA finds no reason not to authorize construction. But the words NO PREJUDICE means that the FTA can withdraw authorization should it deem proper at a later date. If the words were WITH PREJUDICE, the authorization is can not be revoked.
on February 6,2012 | 07:21PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Indeed the letter means NOTHING simply because at this time the FTA finds no reason not to authorize construction. But the words NO PREJUDICE means that the FTA can withdraw authorization should it deem proper at a later date. If the words were WITH PREJUDICE, the authorization can not be revoked.
on February 6,2012 | 07:23PM
Changalang wrote:
You like to spin things, but you are not good at it. The time for false hope is over. When the FFA comes in and the pylons are 2 miles down the road, you will be saying that the lawsuit will prevail. Time to get real. your spin cannot get any traction on the slippery slope of reality. Research the process, look who is pushing this, and re-assess. Uncle Dan is number 3 in D.C. The people who have been kissing his bvtt for decades know this is his swan song election and he has been trying to get funds for forty long years. Rail is inevitable and heavy construction is firing up. Focus your obstinate tendencies in a positive direction and help get Ben elected.
on February 6,2012 | 08:32PM
Kuniarr wrote:
A lawsuit that is dismissed WITHOUT PREJUDICE the case is finished. But the words WITHOUT PREJUDICE means that the defendant can still be sued again. That is what the words NO PREJUDICE means. The case is over but the defendant can be sued again. WITH PREJUDICE means that the case is over, finished. The defendant can not be sued again.
on February 6,2012 | 09:02PM
Kuniarr wrote:
A letter of NO PREJUDICE simply means just NO PREJUDICE - there is NO FINALITY to whatever is contained in the letter. Compared to a letter of WITH PREJUDICE where there is FINALITY in whatever is contained in the letter.
on February 6,2012 | 09:31PM
Eagle156 wrote:
If commuters wont use the express lane, the bus or the former boat they certainly wont choose to stand for forty five minutes in a third world rail car. Didn't anyone tell Dan Inouye that it has nothing to do with traffic relief.
on February 6,2012 | 06:24PM
Changalang wrote:
Rail is about moving money; not people. In all fairness, Uncle Dan did his job for Hawaii by moving the money here. We are fortunate to have him giving to us rather than some other Senator taking from us.
on February 6,2012 | 06:57PM
smith2650 wrote:
Yea, Inouye does not like the XCEL pipeline jobs paid for by the Canadian company but he really likes train jobs paid for by Hawaii (Oahu) taxpayers. What a guy!! Thanks for spending our futures.
on February 6,2012 | 06:36PM
localguy wrote:
Before HART and other bureaucrats break their arms patting themselves on the back, remember Boston's money pit "Big Dig" project also had federal approval before it went billions of dollars over budget. People died due to shoddy work by the contractor. Think long and hard before you start talking about this being a fully approved federal project. Truth is federal approval does not mean the project will be built on time and on budget. History has shown these projects are filled with wasteful change orders, shoddy contractor work, on and on and on. Nothing but a money pit for taxpayer's hard earned money. Hawaii's choo choo will be no different.
on February 6,2012 | 06:55PM
Changalang wrote:
Rail will never make it West of the current rust bucket stadium in reality because of the cost over runs you mentioned and bones will be a great excuse to modify after the Fed funds are long spent. They will build a new stadium in 10 years on the Rail line at West Oahu and use the Aloha Stadium lot as a huge bus hub/park and ride. The land is federally leased and has restrictions as to its uses. The New Stadium will be the next public works project to be built via GET special surcharge funding. Watch it happen.
on February 6,2012 | 07:30PM
Kapcity wrote:
GO RAIL GO!!!! YEAH IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
on February 6,2012 | 07:25PM
pakeheat wrote:
Yep Kapcity or is it kapoleitalkstory in disguise? Time to go pay more on taxes, are YOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU READY?
on February 6,2012 | 09:00PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Bs, ph, the property taxes will not go up. It's written in the funding for Rail Funding. Only the get taxes will be used.same as sewers cannot be update using rail money. Get your facts straight. By the way, where were you earlier? Got on Kate as indicated by your lame posts.
on February 6,2012 | 09:33PM
nippy68 wrote:
we'll see how many people rides the rail. for all those who voted for rail, i hope all of you use it to your own advantage and see if all will pay for the fee. cant imagine how much it will cost.
on February 6,2012 | 07:57PM
Changalang wrote:
It will be subsidized as a City transportation project out of the general fund. We all will pay. When this monster gets plugged into the grid, our electric bills will double via supply and demand.
on February 6,2012 | 08:35PM
ejkorvette wrote:
Vote, No Vote, Complain on a Blog, Comment about it on the SA, What most residents in Hawaii fail to realize and judging by the comments here, the Elected Crooked Politicians in the City of Honolulu will do whatever is best to keep the State Competitive, Attractive to Tourists, and Profitable from within its own system at any and all costs to the residents/taxpayers. This rail project is just that A Project. As Oahu is currently designed, all roads of commerce lead into the Bishop Street area for business's and Waikiki area for Tourism. I would comment further but it would require an Editorial, and I've other important matters to complete. I will say in closing, The average resident and taxpayer in Honolulu will be "Taxed" to the "Max" over the next 20yrs, and they will accept it, continue to live on island, vote for the same or similar Corrupt Politicians, and live the standard life of Ignorance is Bliss. Unemployment, Crime, Pathetic Services Rendered ie. Utilities, Medical, Safety, Employment, Transportation, etc will continue to be provided at the Third World level, and the residents will laugh, eat Rice, McDonalds, Moosobie, Plate Lunch and enjoy the over hyped 4th of July fireworks and Hawaii 5-O. Generations will continue to be Born, Bred, and Live this same way. Have been for many many years already.
on February 6,2012 | 08:46PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
,ejkorvette,you are a mainlander. It's musubi. Go back and take care of your important matters. Because,we no care.
on February 6,2012 | 09:30PM
Wazdat wrote:
Wow glad I'm MOVING off this rock. Traffic will be a NIGHTMARE.....Hawaii is run by DONKEYS
on February 6,2012 | 08:55PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Bye,take kuniarr,pakeheat,local guy,ronin,hybrid,soundofreason,Inverse,inbred, and all the coo coos with you. Maui don't have rail.
on February 6,2012 | 09:27PM
niimi wrote:
Go, Ben, Go! mabuhay!
on February 6,2012 | 10:06PM
tiki886 wrote:
Da commie Btards are winning! :(
on February 6,2012 | 10:14PM
rar855 wrote:
I hope they start construction ASAP. Rail is long overdue and should have been built 30 years ago or more. Honolulu is strangling on traffic congestion. Rail won't fix all traffic problems, but it's an important part of the solution. Let's get started now.
on February 6,2012 | 10:20PM
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