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Mom: Girl who died after fight described 1 punch

By Gillian Flaccus

Associated Press

POSTED: 09:30 a.m. HST, Feb 27, 2012
LAST UPDATED: 10:22 a.m. HST, Feb 28, 2012

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LONG BEACH, Calif. >> Cecilia Villanueva sat helplessly in the backseat and watched her 10-year-old daughter turn blue as her husband raced them to the hospital in a panic.

Earlier, the fifth-grader, Joanna Ramos, had come home from school vomiting and complaining of a headache after a fight with another girl.

Before she passed out on the family couch, she told her mother an 11-year-old girl had punched her in the head.

"I could see her lips turning purple and I got so scared. I tried to do CPR," her mother said Tuesday, choking back tears. "I tried my best, but when we got to the hospital they said her heart was stopped. They tried, they tried so hard."

Joanna was pronounced dead on Friday night after undergoing emergency surgery for a blood clot on her brain, her 17-year-old sister, Vanessa Urbina, said.

The Los Angeles County coroner's office labeled the case a homicide and said Joanna died of blunt force trauma to the head. Police said they have made no arrests and were conducting an investigation that will be presented to prosecutors when it's completed.

The girl's family and friends are stunned and struggling to understand how a schoolyard fight over a boy could end in death for a bubbly girl who loved to dance and sing, religiously followed soap operas on TV, and had a penchant for curling her long, dark hair. Joanna would have turned 11 on March 12.

Villanueva said she is certain her daughter didn't tell her the whole story, and she is wary of believing the rumors that have been circulating among Joanna's classmates.

"I told the doctor what happened and he said, 'One punch is not enough, the way that she is right now,'" Villanueva said. "My daughter told me one punch, only, just one. And the doctor said, 'Hmmm, I don't think so. One wouldn't cause too much damage.'"

Police have said the fight in an alley after school on Friday lasted less than a minute, involved no weapons and no one fell to the ground.

Villanueva, 41, said that before Joanna lost consciousness, she told her mother the other girl was her "enemy" but offered no further explanation.

"I said, what happened, and she said, 'a girl punched my head,' and I said why, and she said, 'I don't know Mom. We are enemies,'" Villanueva recalled. "I asked her, you don't have any enemies. Why, Joanna? She told me, 'I don't want to talk, I'm tired and I want to go to sleep.'"

"After that she didn't say anything no more," the mother said.

While the circumstances of Joanna's death are tragic and extremely unusual, medical experts said a blow in just the right spot can often prove fatal.

"This is rare, in that I've never seen it in a female, certainly not in a female adolescent," said Dr. Keith Black, a neurosurgeon at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.

Black, who was not involved in Joanna's medical care, sees such injuries all the time among older patients, and said a blow to the head from one young girl to another could "absolutely" be sufficient to cause enough trauma to lead to death.

Punches to the head can often lead to delayed bleeding if a vein is torn, and that can lead to a clot when blood collects on the surface of the brain.

In a Tuesday column printed in The Press-Telegram of Long Beach, the trauma surgeon who treated Joanna in the emergency room said she suffered bleeding inside her skull and arrived at the hospital in grave condition. She went into cardiac arrest four times before she was finally pronounced dead, he said.

"Her eyes were 'fixed and dilated,' the worst sign possible. To a layperson, they look like the lifeless eyes of a little child's doll," Dr. Mauricio Heilbron Jr. of St. Mary's Medical Center wrote in the column.

The death has rattled the school community at Willard Elementary, located in a working-class neighborhood just a few miles from a more affluent area of homes that front a bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean.

School officials believe the fight occurred near the school in a 15-minute window between the time school let out and the start of Joanna's after-school program at 2:30 p.m., said Chris Eftychiou, a spokesman for the Long Beach Unified School District.

Joanna didn't have any visible injuries or show any signs of distress for about an hour, but she eventually told staff she felt unwell and was picked up by a relative, he said.

Symptoms — such as headache, nausea, lethargy — may not set in for hours and people can mistakenly think that they're fine, Black said.

Typically, he said, the hit to the head would have to be fairly significant to cause a blood clot and often involves the head hitting walls or the ground, but a punch is enough.

Fights involving young children, including girls, are increasing nationally, in part because of the wired world children now live in, said Travis Brown, a national expert on bullying and school violence.

Children used to have a disagreement at school and would have a night or a weekend to cool down, but social media and text messaging mean students can continue their dispute 24 hours a day.

"There was a time when a kid had a way to escape the things at school, but now there's no escape," Brown said. "That stuff just escalates to a point where it gets out of hand. This is an everyday occurrence."

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Associated Press writers Robert Jablon, Alicia Chang and Andrew Dalton in Los Angeles contributed to this report.






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soundofreason wrote:
""They were fighting over a boy," said Stephanie Guadalupe, a friend of Joanna. "I told the teacher and she said she would talk to all the girls on Monday.">> See? That's where procrastinating can actually make some of your duties disappear by themselves. Guess that's one less "to-do" thing on that teachers list. Sad when this could have been avoided.
on February 26,2012 | 10:24AM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
So quick to blame the teacher. What if the girl had told the teacher when they were already gone? What kind of girls were fighting? Trouble makers? We don't know enough. But I guess some of you out there will jump at any, and I mean any chance to blame teachers.
on February 26,2012 | 10:43AM
soundofreason wrote:
While others are quick to make excuses.
on February 26,2012 | 11:09AM
charja wrote:
The fight was on a Friday, after school, students are gone for the weekend, the next opportunity for the teacher to see them will be Monday. Teachers and students do not attend school on the weekends, that's why the teacher said "she would talk to all the girls on Monday." Actually all the students should be talked to, not just the girls. And it's not the teachers responsibility to ensure students do not fight. The students themselves are responsible along with parents, siblings, friends, and society as a whole. No one person except for the person(s) involved are to blame, even if they are only 11-years old.
on February 27,2012 | 06:41AM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
Hey, both girls chose to have it out. They both went to an alley to fight. No excuses.
on February 27,2012 | 10:11AM
jimmyhouse67 wrote:
Because the teacher talking "after" the fight would have maid the head injury go away and she would have lived.. You're not too bright. Bendejo
on February 27,2012 | 01:46PM
guest1 wrote:
It's so irritating to see "soundofreason" blaming the teacher! The fight was after school! The kids were all released already, the next opportunity for the teacher to meet with the girls was the following school day. Technically, once the school bell rings the teacher is "no longer held responsible" for this child. The after school program (which she was to be attending) would have been held accountable for her whereabouts if it was during that time, but the article said it was the window of time between the two locations. If you are going to place blame, why not blame the parents before you would the teacher? The parents should be teaching their children not to fight, especially over boys! You would hope parents would know if your 5th grader was "boy-crazy" or had "enemies" at school. Or blame the children themselves, at 11 years old they should know right from wrong. No one should blame teachers for their child's behavior.
on February 28,2012 | 05:02PM
Changalang wrote:
I remember when 11 year old girls would just send nasty notes over boys. Maybe Spike will show cell phone footage of this event in Prime time. It could become a big hit series. They could call it "Children in the Octagon" or "Kill or Be Killed; It's Never Too Early".
on February 27,2012 | 05:16AM
allie wrote:
schools everywhere are becomign more dangerous as society unravels.
on February 27,2012 | 09:54AM
jimmyhouse67 wrote:
Notice no one else sides with you and you won't comment again because you did so without addressing the entire facts of the case.
on February 27,2012 | 04:42PM
Changalang wrote:
Glorification of MMA by the media is changing our culture.
on February 26,2012 | 11:33AM
CartwrightPark wrote:
Dont blame this on MMA.
on February 26,2012 | 12:42PM
HD36 wrote:
Only if their were superman punches thrown, roundouse head kicks, triangle chokes, kimuras, and ground and pound tactics used.
on February 26,2012 | 05:23PM
Changalang wrote:
Whynot? MMA romanticizes violence and the skill at being proficient in severely harming opponents with little or no spiritual training attached. Kids imitate what they observe of as being of value. MMA has taken western culture back a couple hundred years. Practitioners should realize that a record or witness of such training, even in a garage, makes the practitioner a deadly weapon. Using skills in a confrontation on the street carries a serious extra implication; particularly in this day and age where HPD catches, records personal information, and releases pending further charges. Boxers have to register their hands as deadly weapons in some States, what about the MMA proponents. The media glorification of MMA negates everything good about learning self defense from the traditional perspective.
on February 27,2012 | 05:11AM
HD36 wrote:
These girls probably never seen an MMA fight. To the novice fan, or someone like John McCain who tried to outlaw the sport, it may seem barbaric. To those of us who have studied the traditional arts of Jiu Jitsu, Mui Thai, boxing, wrestling, Karate, Judo, and others, we appreciate the finely tuned athlete who can incorporate the disciplines in a game plan to defeat his or her opponent. The strategy involved, along with God given talent that some fighters posses, is the reason MMA is the fastest growing sport in the world. The opposite is actually true, when kids who get into alot of fights start practicing MMA, they don't get into street fights as Chris Leben said from training kids at his Pucks Alley School of MMA. In fact their is no evidence that the rise in MMA has increased the amount of street fighting among kids. Even if it did, better to have them throwing punches than shooting guns. Even in a peaceful safe environment like Japan, the Saitama Super Arena was packed to watch UFC 143. If you don't like it, turn the channel.
on February 27,2012 | 04:29PM
soshaljustic wrote:
What? Surgery for What? To many unanswered questions. Kids fight, stitches maybe. Surgery for? Dead due to surgical complications, maybe...but why the surgery in the first place? A broken nose I could see, and a surgical correction possible, but necessary right away? Any internal bleeding? Too many unanswered questions!! Probably a death due to complications of the surgery rather than the fight itself, however the fight was the instigating need for the surgery, although all too strange...
on February 26,2012 | 04:33PM
Recce wrote:
What article did you read? I don't see ANY mention of surgery in the article.
on February 27,2012 | 04:59AM
acuradriver02 wrote:
6th paragraph: "she went into surgery for the blood clot"
on February 27,2012 | 08:38AM
ronaldviernes wrote:
Really?! The poor child wouldn't have needed surgery in the first place if this fight didn't happen. Do not even try to blame her death on anything other than the fight.
on February 27,2012 | 09:22AM
Compassionate_Cat wrote:
The only blame is lack of character in bringing up these young girls. All they are doing is acting out on hormones and since they have no character development they are being the barbaric selves people become with absolutely no guidance. If anyone is to blame besides the girls themselves, it's the parents. They did a terrible job leaving the raising of their child up to schools, TV and friends. We really need to confront the problem of over worked parents. You can't come home from a demanding jobs and then spend the next 6 hours doing housework and child rearing all nice and fresh. What we as a society have done is accepted no parenting no raising of children but productive citizens in the job market. If that is to remain, then the schools will have to take on raising the children because there is nothing left for the kids when the parents get home from work.
on February 27,2012 | 06:19AM
Changalang wrote:
If you had a child and the offspring committed a capital offense, then would you advocate the death penalty being carried out on you? Just curious.
on February 27,2012 | 09:05AM
PabloWegesend wrote:
Thanks Changalang! People like "compassionate_cat" thinks children are blank slates who don't have minds of their own. They don't understand that parents only have a LIMITED influence on their kids. No parents wants to hear that, but that is the politically incorrect reality!
on February 27,2012 | 07:13PM
TLehel wrote:
There are many factors in any situation. Parents can't be the only ones to blame. Also, until we know what really happened in that fight, we can't be sure just how brutal the fight was and thus, can't infer that she was or was not "just punched in the head once". Let the story roll out in full, then make your judgements. Hell, I've had a number of fights from the 1st grade on. Now with just that statement many of you could think I was some delinquent. In reality, I only ever fought to defend my sister or myself. Half the fights I had I never even hit the person back because I felt I did not have any reason to fight them. and we're talking about fights where I was not the one in the wrong. I have only had two fights where I had an intent to harm the other person. My point? Any of the fights I had in my life could have ended with something bad happening to me or the other person. A child's body is resiliant, but can be fragile. Like I said, until we know what really happened we cannot say that something is wrong with the kids, teachers or parents. Fights happen. Whether this was a vicious fight or not we will find out. Knowing this from fighting in the past, I can say that something is seriously wrong with the kid fighting if they slammed the other kid's head into a wall or the ground. You don't do that kind of stuff unless you think your life is threatened or you are in a blind rage. I don't advocate violence, but I do think that sometimes kids need to duke it out to solve their problems. "Always stick up for yourself and your family" I was always taught.
on February 28,2012 | 03:45PM
acuradriver02 wrote:
6th paragraph: "she went into surgery for the blood clot"
on February 27,2012 | 08:38AM
sak wrote:
Fighting over boys ant the age of 10/11, pregnant by 13/14.
on February 27,2012 | 04:48PM
sak wrote:
Pardon my spelling, had a hard night here in BKK, before all you critics correct me. "Fighting over boys "at" 10/11, pregant by 13/14".
on February 27,2012 | 04:51PM
sak wrote:
Too many drinks last night, let's try it one more time, pardon this half brain dead drunk. Fighting over boys at 10/11, "pregnant" by 13/14. There you go! RIP Joanna.
on February 27,2012 | 04:55PM
residenttaxpayer wrote:
Seems like both girls were willing participants.
on February 27,2012 | 10:30PM
saveparadise wrote:
Violence, sex, alchohol, and fighting is everywhere on television and the internet. Children emulate adults. Does anyone feel that previous generations had it correct with the censorship? Liberal freedom of expression and speech has its downfalls as well as being unable to punish your own child physically. How is spanking defined as abuse? It is very difficult to raise a good child in this day and age and I give credit to anyone that is doing a good job of it.
on February 28,2012 | 08:32AM
Classic_59Chevy wrote:
Poor Joanna RAMOS. Her mother's name is Cecilia VILLANUEVA, her sister's name is Vanessa URBINA. No mention of a father... Atypical !!!
on February 28,2012 | 10:31AM
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