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Thielen plans to run for Senate as Democrat despite party rejection

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 10:17 a.m. HST, Apr 17, 2012


Laura H. Thielen, a former director of the state Department of Land and Natural Resources under Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, said today that she will run for state Senate as a Democrat.

The Democratic Party of Hawaii has determined that Thielen is not eligible to run under the party's banner because she has not been a member in good standing for the minimum six months required under the party's rules. Thielen asked the party for an exception but was rejected.

Thielen's decision to enter the Democratic primary in Senate District 25, which covers Waimanalo and Hawaii Kai, puts the onus on the party. State Democrats could challenge her candidacy in Circuit Court or move to expel her from the party.

State Sen. Pohai Ryan, a Democrat in her first term, now represents the district. Former state Senate Minority Leader Fred Hemmings, a Republican who represented the district for a decade, has said he intends to run again.

"Voters have a legal right to choose who represents them," Thielen said in a statement.  "A small group in a party cannot secretly and arbitrarily veto that choice.  I am a member of the Democratic Party.  Hawaii law allows me to run for public office as a Democratic candidate."

It's important to give voters a real choice among candidates this year," she said.  "The Legislature is taking unprecedented action to eliminate environmental and zoning laws and limit public accountability over large government contracts and development.  These laws have the potential to change the face of Hawaii forever."

Dante Carpenter, the chairman of the Democratic Party of Hawaii, has said the Democrats unhappy with the party's rules can discuss potential changes at the state convention in May. 







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onwardupward wrote:
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on April 17,2012 | 10:09AM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
So she wants to be a Democrat but does not follow the rules of the Party... She a Gabbard will get alone just fine.
on April 17,2012 | 10:14AM
onwardupward wrote:
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on April 17,2012 | 10:30AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Anything and everything tainted "LINDA LINGLE" is "undeomcrat"-ic.
on April 17,2012 | 11:26AM
Changalang wrote:
So, do you support the honest Republican Hemmings in this race; or the Republican entering as a Democrat so she can get around being defeated in a closed Hawaii GOP Primary to defeat Sen. Hemmings, as a relatively known name (Thielen) with a "D" after it on the ballot so as to manipulate the constituents of Senate District 25?
on April 17,2012 | 06:52PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Rules? Nah. Linda Lingle.
on April 17,2012 | 11:24AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
I second that motion. I vote primarily Democrat but don't like where this party has been going.
on April 17,2012 | 12:52PM
OldDiver wrote:
And Laura Thielen doesn't like the way the Republican party is going.
on April 17,2012 | 01:50PM
OldDiver wrote:
The bullying mandates of the Democratic Party?.........Are you kidding?........Guess why Gabbard is willing to put up with the Democrat Party and shun the Republican Party.
on April 17,2012 | 01:48PM
OldDiver wrote:
Sorry meant Thielen.
on April 17,2012 | 01:49PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Rules are rules, however rules are made to be broken. For example, I am in the midst of finishing my taxes and a rule says that if a person can prove that they are disabled, they can be granted a tax break. However, the paperwork needed to have been filed with the government, a while back. Tax rules I do not challenge, though. Political Party rules? Laura is fighting them.
on April 17,2012 | 10:32AM
aiea7 wrote:
hh - "rules are made to be broken", what kind of statement is that? rules are made to encourage a certain behavior, not the opposite. it is quite silly to say, this is the rule but you can break it, with no penalty or consequence. are you related to waipahu?
on April 17,2012 | 02:35PM
IAmSane wrote:
That was a great story. We were all interested in your fascinating tale on filing your taxes. Keep us updated!
on April 17,2012 | 09:57PM
blackmurano wrote:
Why won't the Democrat machine let this "false Republican" in the Lingle Adminstration run for office representing their Party values? She is for anti-God and anti-family values, both doctrines of the Democratic party locally and nationally. I believe she was once for "Traditional marriage" but in an article in the StarAdvertiser, changed her position for same-sex marriage. Yep, she is a Democrat at heart. God of the bible says "life begins at conception." President Obama and the whole Democratic party says "it's a women's right." God calls marriage a "Covenant" of one man and one woman. Shunning the God of the Bible, the Democrats and this cultural calls marriage "equality for all." So you see "Thielen" values are in line with the Democratic party. So why is the Demos rejecting her?
on April 17,2012 | 10:47AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Why? Simple, "LINDA LINGLE" that's why.
on April 17,2012 | 11:27AM
copperwire9 wrote:
Black, darlin', show me where in the Bible it says that life begins at conception? Can you do that?
on April 17,2012 | 12:43PM
Kaimukirat wrote:
The position of the Church for centuries was that life begins when the fetus "quickens" and begins to move in the womb.
on April 17,2012 | 01:34PM
shshimizu wrote:
Although I don't agree with the dems decision to exclude any person from running for office under the D sign. The rules are clear, the problem is the party makes exceptions. If they follow their rules, there is no issue.
on April 17,2012 | 11:23AM
awahana wrote:
She gets my vote. Along with Ed Case. I love rebels who have moral fiber.
on April 17,2012 | 11:38AM
aiea7 wrote:
waahana - nope that is not moral fiber, it is deceptive to claim one is a democrat and then ignore its principles when elected. does gabbard ring a bell. same with case when he got lucky and was elected to congress.
on April 17,2012 | 02:37PM
RJTrevlac wrote:
U go gurl! I think the Democratic party is just punishing her for supporting Lingle.
on April 17,2012 | 11:56AM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
That is not a punishment tha tis folowing the rules.
on April 17,2012 | 01:12PM
Naloboy wrote:
That's a lie. The Democrats' rules DO allow her to be allowed into the party....the Democrats' moronic leaders decided it didn't quite fit with their agenda so they said no. Quit perpetuating the lie.
on April 17,2012 | 01:46PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Whatever happened to thinking on your own?
on April 17,2012 | 02:26PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
Tell tha tto a cop the next time you jaywalk or are speeding. What you are not breaking the law you are thinking outside the box.
on April 17,2012 | 03:31PM
f8ldzz wrote:
She screwed up the DLNR when she was an inept department head, so this is no surprise...
on April 17,2012 | 11:56AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Don't the Democrats have to accept her before they can expel her?
on April 17,2012 | 12:23PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
She is already a member of the Democrtic party she was not one long enough according to the rules to run for office under the banner of the Democratic Party. Anyone can be a member just look at the Gabbards for that proof.
on April 17,2012 | 01:15PM
OldDiver wrote:
I am puzzled that Laura Thielen claims to be a lifelong democrat yet only joined the party in February 2012.
on April 17,2012 | 01:56PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
Yeah and she never donated to any democratic campaigns the only people she ever supported were republicans.
on April 17,2012 | 03:32PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Interesting. I had not seen anything at all about her donation record. Care to enlighten as to where your information comes from? It might be relevant to those that want to review it and make a decision on this one based on fact.
on April 18,2012 | 08:22AM
IAmSane wrote:
Yeah, it's simple really. Some people on this website seems to be having a hard time understanding it.
on April 17,2012 | 10:04PM
peanutgallery wrote:
This girl fell far from the tree. Not at all like her mother, Laura is a feel-good progressive with big government on her mind. She was completely inept at DLNR. An embarassment. Sorry Cynthia.
on April 17,2012 | 12:33PM
2_centz wrote:
Well if the Republicans don't want Thielen and she don't like them either, Somehow the democrats have to show her that they don't like her either but Thielen like the democrats. did I get that right? Just imagine when you no make the basket ball team in high school.
on April 17,2012 | 12:34PM
haoleboy43 wrote:
She should have tried to be a republican and been kicked out of the party. Resume builder in this socialist state, comrades
on April 17,2012 | 12:49PM
serious wrote:
Since all of the politicians in the local, state and federal government in Hawaii have the same DNA, it's good to see someone speak their mind on what they think is right and not have the "D" caucus dictate!! I like a little spunk in a fighter pilot!!!
on April 17,2012 | 12:56PM
misterfudge wrote:
Wasn't it the Democrats that always touted themselves as the party of inclusion? They accepted Mike Gabbard, Karen Awana, Ann Kobayashi, etc. didn't they? Or do you have to be an elected Republican who switches mid-term to qualify?
on April 17,2012 | 01:19PM
Denominator wrote:
Democrats here think more like a gestapo. Toe their line or get out! What happened to it being the party of inclusion and diversion? Power corrupts!
on April 17,2012 | 01:36PM
OldDiver wrote:
Nope, Laura Thielen joined the Democrat party to escape the gestapo like Republican Party.
on April 17,2012 | 01:54PM
Changalang wrote:
Laura is trying to escape the Lingle Legacy. It is a small island, though.
on April 17,2012 | 03:38PM
Naloboy wrote:
Hey Dante.......You're not pono. The Democratic Party is not pono. Laura THielen IS pono and she will win this election and get rid of Pohai Ryan who definitley IS NOT pono. The Democrats have made their bed with all the special interest exemption laws.....now you're going to have to lie in it. THIELEN FOR SENATE!!!!!
on April 17,2012 | 01:44PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
HOW DARE YOU SAY Dante is not PONO! When all he is doing is enforcing the rules and decisions of the Democratic Party of Hawaii. You think that just because Theilen thinks the rules do not apply to her makes her pono - I think you do not understand what PONO is if that is the case.
on April 17,2012 | 03:35PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Democrats reminds me of people who demonstrate and Republicans remind me of people who are for The Republic. We all know the long standing view of those parties though: Democrats = for Poor People, Republicans = for Rich People.
on April 17,2012 | 01:47PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Must have hit a nerve.
on April 17,2012 | 01:48PM
dlum003 wrote:
Thielen and her mother care about only one thing; POWER. They could give a rat's okole about the constituency they supposedly represent. (unlwessits Kahal, Hawaii Kai, or Kailua). Laura has ZERO people or diplomatic skills and she was abysmally incompetent at DLNR. She's a an empty title, not a public servant.
on April 17,2012 | 01:48PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Well then maybe Laura could run under The Republican party, unless she does not want to step on The Toes of Hemmings. Then again, Laura would need to go up against Fred in the General if she won the primary, so one may wonder her intentions regarding public office.
on April 17,2012 | 02:03PM
Changalang wrote:
She knew she could not win in the Primary against Fred in her true Hawaii GOP Party; but with a "D" after her name she is counting on the ignorance of her own constituents to take Hemmings out. That is how she rolls.
on April 17,2012 | 03:40PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Let me ask this then: Am I doing something wrong, or am I doing something right, or am I going against the views of someone?
on April 17,2012 | 01:49PM
Eagle156 wrote:
Laura I like your spunk. Isn't it the democrats who are trying to break the rules that have controlled sensible development on our island for many years.? Sure, there were one or two glitches in your term at DLNR but mainly you derived valuable experience from your tenure there and fully deserve another chance to advance your political career. Take note that our former two term governor Ben Cayetano has also broken the so called rules in running for mayor against the will of the democratic power brokers.. Good on you and if you make the idiocy of the rail project a cornerstone of your campaign you will win in a landslide simply because republicans and democrats will be voting en masse for our next mayor and your fellow democrat Ben Cayetano.
on April 17,2012 | 01:51PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
How could a computer pick up on such minute differences of opinion? There are some comments on this story that are totally against Laura, some that are completely against Laura, however if a person just generalizes, then that person is not allowed to comment? Unless there is actually a person that reads these comments very fast and if he/she is unsure of immediate approval then he/she sends it to The Executive Suite? I am sure even IBM's Watson that was on Jeopardy! would not have such a varied opinion.
on April 17,2012 | 01:52PM
enoughisenough wrote:
Whether or not you agree with her positions on the issues, no one can deny this woman's energy, intelligence, and courage. Name one person in the state legislature who can match her on that level. I see none.
on April 17,2012 | 02:26PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
But all that means nothing if she has no conscience. She was one of the worst people to ever lead DLNR and made a HUGE mess!
on April 17,2012 | 03:41PM
808comp wrote:
Go for it Laura. Dante Carpenter is full of bs any way.
on April 17,2012 | 03:04PM
Changalang wrote:
Thielen is part of the contingency from Kahala to push the whole State into a mandatory housing association. Ex-illegal B &B owners have found a better way to drive mom and pop out of their homes. It is HB2852, formally know as SB2495 and SB2496. It makes having an ugly house illegal and enables wealthy home builders to legally blame "visually blighted" next door neighbors' homes for any devaluation of the newly built home. It is a gut and replace Bill that is going to conference committee and Thielen made sure she will be a conferee to make sure it goes through. Why rent illegal B&Bs when you can buy a plot next to old people, build a new house next door, get your real estate appraiser friend to use visual bight of the the old house to give grounds for the 1% richies to sue grandma and grandpa off their land they held for generations; block busting turned inside out. The State Attorney General has testified against the general blight language in all iterations of this Bill. All legislators are voting for it in both parties because it is that dirty. It is a slam dunk because they know nobody is paying attention. Wake up, Hawaii !
on April 17,2012 | 03:24PM
Changalang wrote:
Make that "formerly known as SB2495"
on April 17,2012 | 06:54PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
You know Laura closets are for cloths! You were a closet democrat while working for anti-gay closted governor and you should be ashamed of yourself.
on April 17,2012 | 03:41PM
Recce wrote:
Why is it always the gays who are quick to bash folks who they think are gay? Give it up, Gooch.
on April 17,2012 | 08:18PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Oh there are plenty of straight folks ready to bash folks they think are gay too. Ignorance and intolerance are not characteristics that are the exclusive domain of any sexual orientation.
on April 17,2012 | 09:40PM
Changalang wrote:
Do you think Linda is or was gay? Would it change your vote? The LBGT voting block will not change their vote regarding Lingle; so who is really harmed by the topic you bring up? The real question is why do straight people defend LBGT so strongly? The answer is just simply that nobody should be ridiculed for being exactly who they are, and proud of it. If Lingle has something to suppress from her withering base, then taunting people being true to themselves may be tempting certain individuals to prove their beliefs in the media. You are making your candidate weaker. In my humble opinion, justice is best served by Governor Lingle being defeated soundly by her record alone. She gives gays a bad name.
on April 17,2012 | 10:11PM
nonpolitic wrote:
Doesn't anyone remember the genesis of this rule? Let me remind you. Does the name Bev Harbin ring a bell with anyone? She not only changed political parties a month before being appointed as a democrat (by Lingle), but she also carpetbagged into the downtown representative district when she actually lived on the Big Island. I won't go into the the rest of the sordid story of what happened next since I hope you all at least remember that part, but apparently the democratic party at the time decided that such scenarios shouldn't reoccur. If you believe that the Bev Harbin scenario was fine, then I guess you should vote your conscience and maybe show up once and a while at the democratic party state convention to maybe change that rule. Otherwise, I wouldn't complain, being that the rule isn't exactly new. If Thielen was as smart as everyone who supports her says she is, all she would have to have done was join the party a little earlier.
on April 17,2012 | 04:33PM
Smiling wrote:
Pohai Ryan definitely needs some competition.
on April 17,2012 | 05:31PM
butinski wrote:
Thielen vs Hemmings. That would be interesting.
on April 17,2012 | 05:34PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Maybe his wife can go out on the stump for him too.
on April 17,2012 | 09:40PM
Changalang wrote:
She is safe from legal repercussions now. I think that Fred will be a much bigger pain in the @ss than even his most bitter rivals think he is capable of. I think he is coming back with a vengeance.
on April 17,2012 | 09:59PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
He's always been a pain... and functionally irrelevant when it comes to power or actually getting anything done.
on April 18,2012 | 07:04AM
Changalang wrote:
True; but he gets in "A" for maximizing his irrelevance, moreso than the only other Republican, regarding causing extra work for the opposition.
on April 18,2012 | 04:58PM
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