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Kahuku site now tops landfill list following 'data error'

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 04:58 p.m. HST, Apr 25, 2012


Due to a "data error" in the ranking of potential landfill sites, the Ameron Hawaii quarry in Kailua is no longer at the top of the list -- replaced by a 1,520-acre site in Kahuku that was previously ranked seventh.

The top four selections on the new list are in Council District 2, Council Chair Ernie Martin's district from Wahiawa to the North Shore.

Here is the new updated list released this afternoon.

    Upland Kahuku 2 - (previously ranked #7)

    Upland Kahuku 1- (previously ranked #3)

    Upland Pupukea 2 - (previously ranked #6)

    Upland Pupukea 1 - (previously ranked #4)

    Ameron Quarry - (previously ranked #1)

    Upland Nanakuli 1 - (previously ranked #2)

    Upland Laie - (previously ranked #9)

    Kea'au - (previously ranked #5)

    Kaneohe by H-3 - (previously ranked #10)

    Upland Hawaii Kai  - (previously ranked #11)

    Kapa'a Quarry Road - (previously ranked #8)

"The top four are in my district. But I want to reassure my constituents that there still needs to be a significant study and review whether these sites are feasible," Martin said. "And as long as I serve on the Council, I'm going to ensure that a thorough analysis is done before we would even consider having posting a landfill in any community in my district and I'm sure any Council member would say the same."

A press conference was held this afternoon in the offices of SMS Research after it was discovered a data error occurred during a meeting held Friday by Mayor Peter Carlisle's Advisory Committee on the Landfill Site Selection. 

"The difference was caused by a data error that occurred while updating the software program during that meeting," SMS said in a statement. "Working with the Committee, I made data entries in real time and while doing so, an inadvertent data error occurred," said James Dannemiller of SMS. "Per SMS policy, we verified the data integrity over the weekend. During this procedure I discovered the error and corrected it. The final ranking has been thoroughly verified."  

The Ameron Hawaii quarry was announced Friday as the top site on the list for a potential new landfills. 

An environmental impact statement is expected to be done to review the sites, and the recommendations now go to Carlisle for further review.

Carlisle said Friday a detailed analysis is expected to begin soon after the budget is adopted in June, and selecting, acquiring, permitting and preparing a new landfill site could take at least seven years.

Ameron Hawaii division president Wade Waka­yama had said his firm  was disappointed its quarry was at the top of the list.

He said the firm's operation on Oahu, which employs 300 workers, was a vital part of the construction industry and had recently been picked to provide concrete and aggregate for the city's rail proj­ect.

City Councilman Ikaika Anderson said Friday he would do "everything in my power to stop it" from being built at the Kapaa Quarry site.

 

State Rep. Cynthia Thielen (50th District: Kailua, Kaneohe Bay), speaking after today's press conference, said the Ameron Quarry site located near the Kawainui marsh where there are endangered species should not be on the top 11 list of proposed Oahu landfills.

"You don't want a landfill next to a wetland," she said.

 

Committee members said they were instructed by the mayor's office to take out the Wai­ma­nalo Gulch Sanitary Landfill in Wai­anae as a possible site for expansion.

The city is appealing in state court a decision by the state Land Use Commission to close the Wai­ma­nalo Gulch landfill by July 31.

In 2009 the city was allowed by the Land Use Commission to extend its use of the landfill for an additional three years, despite opposition by some Wai­anae residents.






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Maneki_Neko wrote:
Hahaha....Kailua wins again. Ain't never gonna be a dump where they get a Whole Foods. Besides, Kahuku has those windmills to spread the smell around better and Cuisinart the birds that come to the dump.
on April 25,2012 | 02:48PM
loquaciousone wrote:
NIMBY!!!
on April 25,2012 | 03:52PM
star08 wrote:
NIMBY is a fundamental feature of our industrial economics. It's built into the "theory" of human interactions. It's not a bad word.
on April 25,2012 | 04:53PM
TMJ wrote:
Kailua had a dump for decades. It has a transfer station to this day - very convenient!
on April 25,2012 | 06:46PM
RTH wrote:
POST OF THE YEAR RIGHT HERE! WHOLE FOODS- THANK YOU! NOT TO MENTION TARGET, and the wetlands. :)) Go Kailua!
on April 25,2012 | 05:11PM
poidragon wrote:
Here's an option no one considered: Why not build it in Hannemans's back yard and let him float in all that floral aroma!
on April 25,2012 | 05:25PM
lani_moo wrote:
Now maybe the hotel builders will have second thoughts about expanding Turtle Bay. Keep the country smelling like the country!
on April 25,2012 | 02:52PM
john261 wrote:
I can't believe this! Talk about incompetence in city government? This particular issue has been the "hot potato" in Oahu politics for years, certainly somethng that shouldn't be "screwed up". Aren't these the same people who are going to bring the wonderful train to Honolulu? Look out Honolulu, you're headed for trouble. Bring on Ben!
on April 25,2012 | 02:52PM
false wrote:
Notice that the quarry rock is needed for the railroad. Carlisle won't let nothing stop him. Of course, he'll be out of office soon.
on April 25,2012 | 03:19PM
loquaciousone wrote:
The gang that can't shoot straight strikes again.!
on April 25,2012 | 03:55PM
loquaciousone wrote:
My biggest worry is that this is the same council that decided to spend 7 billion dollars of our tax money without getting any guarantee from the Feds that they are going to ante up their share.
on April 25,2012 | 03:57PM
control wrote:
Newsflash - the error was made by SMS Research, not the city. Go back and actually read the article instead of just the headlines.
on April 25,2012 | 07:25PM
false wrote:
And who pays SMS -- the city. A little elbow bending and voilla! "We made some data errors".
on April 25,2012 | 10:38PM
luvshawaii wrote:
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you!!
on April 25,2012 | 02:53PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
When fighting clowns, go for the jugglers. Or the juggalos. Or jugular. Oh, quit clowning around.
on April 25,2012 | 02:57PM
olos73 wrote:
Maybe there was an error when the City Council voted to ban plastic bags. Stay tuned for an update.
on April 25,2012 | 03:10PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Yea after furthur review they meant to ban stainless steel bags.
on April 25,2012 | 03:53PM
Sunny wrote:
It's going to cost a lot more to transport the rubbish to a Kahuku site....we will all be paying for it!
on April 25,2012 | 03:01PM
john261 wrote:
With all the money saved when the train gets canceled, we'll have plenty of money....
on April 25,2012 | 03:22PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Now I can smell all tha hauna go by my house everyday on the way to Kahuku.
on April 25,2012 | 03:54PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
Quick!!! Build the dump in Kahuku!! Before they discover another error, and it ends up on my backyard!!! Sooo silly this process, I tell ya...
on April 25,2012 | 03:01PM
Snator wrote:
Whoops! Psych.
on April 25,2012 | 03:03PM
fshnpoi wrote:
funny how that worked out..
on April 25,2012 | 03:11PM
butinski wrote:
Data error, my eye. Sounds more like influence peddling.
on April 25,2012 | 03:07PM
inverse wrote:
Yes, put the new dump in Kahuku and the Stonehenge like rail columns in an empty field in Kapolei. Not too hard to figure out where residents who got the money and influence live on Oahu! It is definitely NOT on the West or North side of the island!!
on April 25,2012 | 03:45PM
hihitek wrote:
Should we wait a few days? Maybe another error will be found and the results will change again.
on April 25,2012 | 03:13PM
onwardupward wrote:
Perhaps there was an error in counting votes when our City councilmembers were "elected". And did someone double check SMS's calculations? If they made one egregious error (which they did), chances are they made another.
on April 25,2012 | 03:29PM
aiea7 wrote:
watch kahuku cry foul - they would want a recount. this is a very sensitive issue, but the only way to do it, is to do it, follow the plan and criteria; you cannot please everyone.
on April 25,2012 | 03:35PM
PCWarrior wrote:
What a crock. Incompetence reigns at City Hall. Get Carliar and his band of jokers the heck out of there. Seems fishy to me as well. It's either fishy that doesn't pass the smell test or you have a lot of morbidly incompetent people running things at City Hall. Either way is a total crock of BS.
on April 25,2012 | 03:39PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Did anyone check the two lane highway that has to accommodate 18 wheelers tractor trailers that must travel 40 miles to the Kahuku site? Danny Inouye must have changed the site from Kailua....only HE has the power to change the site that does NOT make sense ! !
on April 25,2012 | 03:54PM
control wrote:
I suppose you've never made an error before or typed something wrong on a computer or spreadsheet. Nice to know there are so many perfect people out there. Too bad they don't run for office.
on April 25,2012 | 07:27PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
This reminds me of small kid time-- playing CABOOSE-YOU'RE IT. Caboose Kahuku! You're it! No backs, no takes, no gives.
on April 25,2012 | 03:48PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
This reminds me of small kid time, playing -- Caboose, you're it! Caboose, Kahuku! No backs, no takes, no gives.
on April 25,2012 | 03:49PM
Changalang wrote:
Easy mistake; both have 3 syllables and start with a "K". LOL.
on April 25,2012 | 03:51PM
GeoDiva wrote:
Do they honestly think we are going to buy the "data error" excuse?
on April 25,2012 | 03:52PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Quit griping. Hawaii Kai was revised from #11 all the way up to #10 place. The horror!
on April 25,2012 | 03:58PM
Changalang wrote:
Alright Ernie, time to ask the big question. Why are we moving a landfill with 15 more years of life on it, and what are the costs associated for taking the existing landfill "out of consideration" for this obviously flawed selection process? Is it time for Council leadership to assert its unified stance before the third week of May? Stress.
on April 25,2012 | 03:59PM
BigOpu wrote:
OK, who did the rankings? BCS Committee?
on April 25,2012 | 04:03PM
SteveToo wrote:
I can just see hundreds of garbage trucks going up the winding road to Pupukea 6 days a week. HAHA. Fear not Pupukea people, aint no way that's gonna happen. You are safe for now. But if they ever widen your road. LOOK OUT>
on April 25,2012 | 04:23PM
willman wrote:
Government is truly confused
on April 25,2012 | 04:27PM
LadyNinja wrote:
Man, these guys must have a hell of a political pull! Good for Kailua! And the top of the list should be Waianae, Nanakuli, Maili, etc. Nothing but rubbish out there anyway, if they want to get these areas cleaned up, then they should have started a long time ago. Waianae brings nothing but bad news anyway!
on April 25,2012 | 04:34PM
aiea7 wrote:
lady - you are a racist and doofus. they should put the dump in your backyard, because as far as i am concerned you are nothing more than dump. hope you go to hell and bachi to you. in fact, not hope, just go to hell. you can go back to japan.
on April 25,2012 | 06:07PM
Changalang wrote:
"Carlisle said Friday a detailed analysis is expected to begin soon after the budget is adopted in June, and selecting, acquiring, permitting and preparing a new landfill site could take at least seven years." . . . At least seven years; I told you not to say goodbye to the yellow truck caravan just yet.
on April 25,2012 | 09:56PM
XML808 wrote:
Crylua wins again!!!
on April 25,2012 | 04:47PM
bobbob wrote:
kahuku? That's a terrible idea. You're telling me, the rubbish trucks are going to be able to pass through the 1 lane kam highway to the dump on a regular basis? What about in the winter during surf? What about when there's surf competitions? What about when an accident closes down the road. ------------- The best place for the dump is where it's currently at. The infrastructure is already in place.
on April 25,2012 | 04:56PM
poidragon wrote:
Problem is that none of the council members want a land fill in their area! Even knowing full well that it is a necessity The Leeward coast has hosted theirs for the longest time and fought hard to keep it out, now it is the rest of Honolulu's problem to find a new location and share in the pain!
on April 25,2012 | 05:22PM
RTH wrote:
lol....anybody check the map? It is wrong too...Laie is not in Kaneohe! Who's running this place anyway?...man, this is a joke of a joke, wrapped in a banana leaf and thrown in the pig hole! Sure you got the names of the islands right Neil? Maui might really be Oahu! No wonder Obama's "birth certificate" is all messed up too! Who figured that one out! That train will likely go right over the cliff too before anybody figures it out. Geeeeeez!
on April 25,2012 | 05:25PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Hahaha...you're right! The map has Laie and Kaneohe reversed. Very comforting to see how much careful checking goes into this matter.
on April 25,2012 | 06:03PM
olos73 wrote:
That means it's another "data error."
on April 25,2012 | 06:44PM
iwanaknow wrote:
1,520 acres of land in Kahuku to dump trash on? wow laulau, with an ocean view too? Will this fill a valley or ravine? Maybe Google Earth can help me find the location? I'll put this on my bucket list to hike, anyway I got seven years to do it. Anyway, I'am waiting for the other shoe to drop, ie: iwi bones or endangered species will put a stop to this Kahuku dump, mark my words. Maybe use the dumps methane gas at Turtle Bay Hotel to create air conditioning?
on April 25,2012 | 05:35PM
jusjoking wrote:
Who owns the land? Campbell co. or Bishop estate? Or some other large land trust? Unbelievable out of the way location with no access but Kamehameha Hwy, from both directions. Oh, wait, we use federal funds to build H-4 pilau freeway from Wahiawa to the pali over looking Kahuku and just dump over the cliff. Everyone makes money on constructing the new dump road and we can pay with a new excise tax bump when the rail tax lapses after the feds stop laughing at our city government.
on April 25,2012 | 06:26PM
Naloboy wrote:
What a bunch of idiots! Our tax dollars at work. And Star Advertiser, you're no better. It would be hard to find a less effective way of explaining all this.
on April 25,2012 | 06:20PM
RTH wrote:
....does Hawaii sell 'dumby insurance'? Maybe you should start. AND does anyone proof read your stories BEFORE you publish it? Even the explanation of the mistake is full of mistakes. lol!
on April 25,2012 | 06:47PM
h20dragon wrote:
There needs to be a better map maker or linguist for this consultant.. The site 'called' Upland Nanakuli really appears to be located in WAIANAE Valley. Please correct and clarify before promoting more in-accuracies.
on April 25,2012 | 07:11PM
blackkitty wrote:
This selection procedure is a big joke and will not pass the test ... the common sense test! First of all, the competency of the selection panel is suspect and their flawed ratings confirm their preconceived prejudices. And by what power did the mayor have to dictate the final outcome by eliminating prospective landfill sites? The entire process needs to be started from the beginning with a professional group that is not tainted by preconceived local biases. Otherwise, no one will believe that a truly rational ranking of sites has been developed for a landfill site. This is another issue that Carlisle has failed as mayor and proves that it is now time for Governor Cayetano to lead the C&C of Honolulu. Imua!
on April 25,2012 | 07:11PM
soundofreason wrote:
I JUST received a POLL call. I think they understood, without question, WHY Ben is getting my vote. Even after they pointed out his history of his previous budget being over by millions. I simply replied - NO concern - millions is LESS than rail's BILLIONS.
on April 25,2012 | 08:23PM
Changalang wrote:
Data error?
on April 25,2012 | 09:01PM
soundofreason wrote:
Carlisle and his "data errors". Good thing he's not in charge of more complex things like .....rail?
on April 25,2012 | 07:25PM
Akhmed_PKC wrote:
big trucks rolling all the way out to Kahuku. great choice!
on April 25,2012 | 07:28PM
soundofreason wrote:
""And as long as I serve on the Council, I'm going to ensure that a thorough analysis is done before we would even consider having posting a landfill in any community in my district and I'm sure any Council member would say the same.">>>>>Cause that's what we do. We "say stuff". Whatever you want to hear - we'll say it.
on April 25,2012 | 07:33PM
Naloboy wrote:
My earlier post in which I refered to the City and its contractors as "idiots" has been removed, apparantly by the StarAdvertiser censors. It also included a criticism of the Star Advertiser in which I stated that "the Star Advertiser is no better" because it could not have presented the landfill site ranking information in a less effective manner. Someone is getting a little touchy!
on April 25,2012 | 08:29PM
Changalang wrote:
Welcome to the Machine. (Pink Floyd)
on April 25,2012 | 10:08PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Wow...... must of been one super huge data error to cause a site to go from # 1 to # 7. I could see going from 1 to 2 or 3, but all the way to 7??? Looks like the fix has been put in again by those pulling the strings of our politicians.
on April 25,2012 | 08:33PM
Changalang wrote:
Data errors happen all the time. One reason a citizen should never submit for lifetime absentee ballot status. An error with non-voting absentee ballots in a State where there is only 40% turnout means data accidents can solely determine outcomes; in an imperfect world, where the political stakes are very high.
on April 25,2012 | 08:59PM
Canefire wrote:
What shred of credibility to this has now been incinderated like garbage in a H power boiler.
on April 25,2012 | 08:56PM
Changalang wrote:
Here are the dance steps. Committee to take Waimanalo Gulch off the list. Select a replacement. Re-location occurs over two elections, "a minimum of seven years". Land use Commission meets exactly in one month to grant an extension of the gulch. With a plan for replacement on hand; use extension gets permitted. Nothing is moving anywhere, but somebody gets an "A" for effort, tactics, and strategy. The other person who put Kry-lua on top gets the "F". Razzle dazzle loses its luster if the distraction is greater than the magic trick itself. :)
on April 25,2012 | 10:06PM
hokuahi wrote:
Data error... right..
on April 25,2012 | 10:42PM
f206 wrote:
This smells like something politically fishy going on here!!!
on April 25,2012 | 11:29PM
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