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Carlisle, Caldwell question Cayetano's ability to stop rail if elected

By B.J. Reyes


With their positions on major issues already established in previous debates, the three main candidates for Hono­lulu mayor took turns tonight swiping at each other’s leadership style, abilities and accomplishments in office during a debate broadcast live.

The forum marked the fourth and final live, televised debate for Mayor Peter Carlisle, former city Managing Director Kirk Caldwell and former two-term Gov. Ben Cayetano.

On the key issue of rail, Carlisle and Caldwell again questioned Cayetano’s ability to stop the project if elected.

“You can’t veto the City Charter,” Carlisle said. “That’s not legal.”

Cayetano scoffed at the notion that executive veto power could not be used to kill the project, adding that he would put the issue back on the ballot if necessary. “The fact that I am elected will be considered a mandate by the City Council that the people want this project stopped,” Cayetano said.

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al_kiqaeda wrote:
You tell 'em Ben! When Ben gets in it will finally show that the original "yes vote" for the rail was a scam.
on July 17,2012 | 10:46PM
Pelipo wrote:
When this project's construction started, didn't the mayor assure the public it would be less expensive to "tear down what will have been built" rather than delay construction start if federal funding is not forthcoming? Is that true or was it all a lie?
on July 17,2012 | 11:13PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Look at the spinning wheel...look deeper...deeper...it's always the truth...it's always the truth.....
on July 17,2012 | 11:51PM
Kaleo744 wrote:
Bradda Ben all the way..
on July 17,2012 | 11:14PM
localguy wrote:
Can you believe on the debate Carlisle and Caldwell basically said there would be an HPD officer on every rail train. Oh really? Why? Why do we need a cop on every train unless they are trying to tell us the riders will not be safe. But who would harm them? No cops on Japanese trains. In San Diego, you never know when a transit cop will step on and use their scanner to verify you have a valid rail ticket. If you don't, prepare to pay on the spot. Ben's point was putting HPD on every train is not part of the rail expense plan. So who is paying for this? Can you guess? Yes, the tax payers will be stuck for more subsidies for our golden platted choo choo. Another fiasco by our bureaucrats. Want to stop this money pit? Vote for Ben!!!!
on July 18,2012 | 12:36AM
Anonymous wrote:
No cops on Japanese trains? Read this article on groping on those trains: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2012/02/why-women-only-transit-options-have-caught/1171/#
on July 18,2012 | 02:56AM
Anonymous wrote:
I believe “the die has been cast” and now it is left to rally Ben Cayetano supporters to GET OUT AND VOTE on August 11th. This vote is CRUCIAL to all residents who don’t want generations of their family to be saddled with the enormous debt of building and maintaining Rail. It seems the cost of rail continues to rise with every City revelation on rail: property taxes which may very well DOUBLE because of rail cost and upkeep, inevitable groping on packed shoulder-to-shoulder rush hour scenarios which necessitate an added authority’s presence and unforeseen maintenance costs which befell Halawa Stadium’s steel exposure to Hawaii’s salt air. Rail could become another bottomless pit of maintenance costs. This August 11th “we the people” have the power to END this rail nightmare contrived by Mufi Hannemann and backed by big business leaders in Hawaii. Ben Cayetano needs 50 plus 1 votes to win on August 11th. Your vote is needed to END THIS INSANITY.
on July 18,2012 | 03:43AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
Our future has to be with rail which will move the most people most efficiently as our population increases. We wasted a lot of time delaying our rail. Now it would be extremely foolish to stop the rail after all the effort to get it built after all these years. We have all the financing in place and structured such that we practically don't realize that the cost is being paid down. How many people notice the extra half percent tax when they buy anything? This portion of the general excise tax is designated for the rail and cannot be used for anything else. This is but a small price to pay as our share of the cost for a transportation infrastructure we need to better our future. Tourists and other non-permanent residents also pay general excise tax so the rail is subsidized further. The big prize is the huge $1.55 billion that the federal government will kick in for the rail project which in effect discounts the cost to build. This is money that will be infused into our economy that we never had and with the multiplier effect will boost our gross state product substantially. We will see a much more vibrant economy with more development and more jobs so locals won’t have to move away. The rail will provide a great transportation alternative to getting stuck in clogged traffic anywhere within the narrow congested corridor between Kapolei and the downtown area. Killing the rail project at this point is absolute foolishness as we will lose a multitude of benefits. The federal funding will be lost and the money will go to other states. The collected rail general excise taxes may not be allowed for any other purpose and might have to be returned in the form of an income tax credit. We will end up with nothing to show as individuals will end up just spending their small tax refund on foreign-made consumer goods in places like Walmart and add to our trade deficit. The smart thing for us to do is to build our needed rail system and enjoy riding a fast sleek new train with beautiful ocean and mountain views. Rail is the greenest mode of transportation which will help preserve our environment and our natural resources. We will have a world class transportation system while living in the best place in the world. When the rail is built, people will come and ride. The rail will primarily benefit the average middle class local who will ride but everyone will benefit from the improved economy.
on July 18,2012 | 01:03AM
dufus wrote:
Ukuleleblue, your fantaszing again...better take your med's.
on July 18,2012 | 01:10AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Dude, are you actually reading uku's posts? You should buy a mouse with a scroll wheel.
on July 18,2012 | 11:19AM
niimi wrote:
I question Captain Kirk and Pistol Pete in their ability to keep rail under budget and on schedule.
on July 18,2012 | 01:20AM
niimi wrote:
I question the exceptions to standard county protocol that HART has used to bid out contracts, award contracts, diss the Hawaiian graves, and trying to promote the train. Now I'm going to push for Ben even more now.
on July 18,2012 | 01:22AM
niimi wrote:
Referendum to have rail voted out from the City Charter.
on July 18,2012 | 01:24AM
ukuleleblue wrote:
The rail benefits the local middle class the most. Average people will ride the rail and will get jobs from the rail construction. Sure some people who have all the expertise in developing the rail will earn lucrative pay. This happens in any industry whether it be civil engineering, high technology, health care or any other. So don’t let sour grapes end up depriving us of something we need. That is called shooting yourself in the foot. Let the smart people make some money so we can benefit from the rail giving us a better transportation alternative. If we don’t like to see others getting rich, why are we buying iPhones and iPads and using Facebook? We middle class locals should see that we are the ones who will need the rail for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. The time to build the rail is now and killing it would be the most foolish thing.
on July 18,2012 | 01:41AM
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