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City halts rail construction in wake of court ruling

By Kevin Dayton

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LAST UPDATED: 03:38 p.m. HST, Aug 27, 2012



The city has agreed to temporarily halt all construction on the $5.26 billion rail project apart from some short-term tasks required for an orderly shutdown, the Native Hawaiian Legal Corp. said today.

NHLC lawyer David Kimo Frankel met with city and rail officials Monday afternoon, and issued a statement that “It is our understanding that the City has halted construction of the rail project.”

“For all intents and purposes, construction of the project has been halted although there may be some narrowly tailored, low-impact exceptions,” Frankel said in a written statement. 

Frankel said the city plans to complete “a few short-term tasks for public safety” such as backfilling open trenches, and plans to continue longer-term maintenance activities such as erosion control measures.

The city also plans to complete the required archaeological inventory survey for the 20-mile rail line, and undertake other “miscellaneous activities,” Frankel said in his statement.

He said the city is drafting a list to specifically describe those activities, and will discuss the list with Native Hawaiian Legal Corp lawyers to determine whether those activities should be allowed to proceed, Frankel said.

A spokesman for the Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation said HART will issue a statement later.

The NHLC sued the city and state over the rail project, and the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled Friday that the State Historic Preservation Division violated its own rules by allowing the project to proceed before an archaeological survey was completed for the entire rail route.

In a unanimous ruling, the court found that rules governing the SHPD do not allow the SHPD to agree to the rail project until the city finishes the survey to determine if there are Native Hawaiian burials or other archaeological resources in the path of the rail line.

The city has been surveying the rail route in sections, and still has not completed the portion of the route in urban Honolulu where experts agree that burials are most likely to be found







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loquaciousone wrote:
Auwe! So much money down the lua for nothing.
on August 27,2012 | 03:18PM
pastormatt wrote:
Better than the enormous amount of money this debacle would have cost us in the years to come. Blame the politicians for spending money and committing to things without taking proper measures. This all falls on the elected politicians.
on August 27,2012 | 03:21PM
atilter wrote:
true dat!
on August 27,2012 | 08:17PM
OldDiver wrote:
The city is in the last of four phases of the AIS which will be completed soon. This lawsuit will soon be moot.
on August 27,2012 | 11:22PM
1local wrote:
time to sue Mufi, Caldwell, Carlisle, White, Inouye and all involved in the deceit...
on August 27,2012 | 08:20PM
Anonymous wrote:
In my humble opinion, we may live to regret that we lost a chance for a long-term solution for Honolulu's transportation needs. We cannot depend on a car-dominated system forever. Even Los Angeles has a metro rail system! This is the car capital of the USA! I give up. This is the third attempt to build a rail system to serve a growing Honolulu. If this fails, I don't see any hope in my lifetime that Honolulu will ever have a modern transportation SYSTEM that addresses increasingly heavy traffic. We don't have peak HOURS anymore--it's like peak traffic most of the day and weekends. Even with high gas prices, people are not giving up their cars because there is NO alternative. More buses and cars cannot possibly solve the congestion problem. Honolulu residents will just have to live with heavy traffic for a long time until we achieve total gridlock!
on August 27,2012 | 11:16PM
rpb96734 wrote:
Well said!
on August 28,2012 | 02:16PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
People will not give up their cars even with the rail.
on August 28,2012 | 02:59PM
allie wrote:
Rail was always a bad plan. Let it die and move on to needed infrastructure improvements like sewers, water and bridges.
on August 27,2012 | 03:47PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on August 27,2012 | 08:18PM
pakeheat wrote:
yes birdges, what's wrong with that? Haleiwa bridge? Imagine not taking care of that?
on August 27,2012 | 09:25PM
torps20022 wrote:
yeah right. vote cayetano in and mess this state up more. that is the problem with this state, a bunch of tunnel vision people living here. third world countries are benefiting from rail and the 50th state of the union is below par. back to H3, I watch for 30 years of it being stopped then start again, because people want to protest every little thing about it. we have the ferry that benefited us going to different islands giving us another mode of transportation and we lose it because a bunch of tunnel vision people with no sight in vision. go ahead and vote for cayetano and see where this crap goes. feel sorry for your children and anyone else that will survive in traffic on this island in the next 20-30 years.
on August 27,2012 | 08:23PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Blame the people who started construction and awarding contracts for all the lost millions.
on August 27,2012 | 08:49PM
aomohoa wrote:
Not down the lua, into the hands of the corruption .
on August 27,2012 | 09:14PM
gsc wrote:
At least Mayor Carlise is following the Law...
on August 27,2012 | 03:24PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
A politician can "follow a law", but that doesn't necessarily mean he or she is acting in the best interest of the people.
on August 27,2012 | 04:47PM
aomohoa wrote:
Only because he was forced too!
on August 27,2012 | 09:15PM
culi wrote:
Peter Carlisle loses again.
on August 27,2012 | 03:26PM
mcc wrote:
Where is Mayor Carlisle? Will he be making a satement soon or is he out of town again? Maybe Doug Chin can tell us what is happening with the Mayor.
on August 27,2012 | 04:04PM
false wrote:
false3. Mayor Carlisle is out looking for another job. Mr Grabauskas should do likewise.
on August 27,2012 | 04:51PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Agreed!
on August 27,2012 | 08:40PM
Heinbear wrote:
He was a the Greek Festival on Saturday...lol!
on August 27,2012 | 05:02PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Haven't you heard? Honolulu just signed a sister city agreement with Shanghai, the 29th such city. Carlisle most likely has gone to Shanghai to celebrate the event. Where else would he be?
on August 27,2012 | 05:14PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
All Hail The Supreme Court of Hawaii.
on August 27,2012 | 03:36PM
Bean808 wrote:
So what's the word from Peter Shaka and Kirk Bong.?
on August 27,2012 | 03:37PM
sukebesan wrote:
Peter got shakaed and Kirk got bonged up their rearend. Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on August 27,2012 | 05:28PM
Living_Large wrote:
I'm glad the project is stopped for now.
on August 27,2012 | 03:43PM
ammb3 wrote:
Hey, KIRK CALDWELL's job as managing director under HANNEMANN was to move Rail forward!!! CALDWELL is one of the main reasons why the city is in the mess it's in NOW!!!
on August 27,2012 | 03:44PM
allie wrote:
True although he has done much worse. You are very kind to him.
on August 27,2012 | 03:48PM
sjean wrote:
Come on now. Caldwell conveys a deeper understanding of the issues. In fact, these type of delays were foretold deep in the fine print of every contract.
on August 27,2012 | 07:08PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Then why have we paid Kiewit $15 million and owe them much more already?
on August 27,2012 | 07:27PM
aomohoa wrote:
" Caldwell conveys a deeper understanding of the issues." sjean, you have been watching too many campaign ads. You must believe anything on TV.
on August 27,2012 | 09:18PM
rpb96734 wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about the costs of the rail. This project is being funded by the federal government, I repeat the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT! If we don't use the money for the rail, it would be used to benefit another state. Why not our state? We deserve it!
on August 27,2012 | 03:47PM
ammb3 wrote:
It seems that you may be misinformed... please do some research.
on August 27,2012 | 03:53PM
rpb96734 wrote:
I DID DO LOTS OF RESEARCH. AND IT SHOWS WE WILL BE GETTING 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT 6 YEARS, THAT IS FEDERALLY FUNDED. YOU MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST THE H3.
on August 27,2012 | 04:48PM
bumba wrote:
Eh, where did you go to school? The project is going to cost SEVEN BILLION DOLLARS. Even is we get the 1.5 Billion, and that's not even for sure yet, WE STILL GOTTA COME UP WITH THE REST OF THE MONEY.
on August 27,2012 | 05:18PM
rpb96734 wrote:
1.5 will be paid to us! I went to school in the mainland and find that alternative modes of transportation are very beneficial. And so what if we come up with the rest of the money? I pay taxes here and would not hesitate to pay for the rail. It is needed. Traffic here is ridiculous. I would say L.A. traffic is nothing compared to the mess here.
on August 28,2012 | 02:23PM
aomohoa wrote:
You must have just crawled out of the woodwork. The money is not a sure thing. Do you even pay taxes. Maybe not??
on August 27,2012 | 09:21PM
rpb96734 wrote:
I do pay taxes. I'm probably in a higher tax bracket then you, thus I pay MORE TAXES. People always complaining about paying taxes. Always complaining how this effects them individually. Why not see the bigger picture?
on August 28,2012 | 02:25PM
polekasta wrote:
you sound like how Mufi sounded 4 years ago. He guaranteed that Honolulu would get the money from the Federal Government, 4 years later, still nothing... Where's the money??? 4 years and still waiting.
on August 27,2012 | 09:57PM
rpb96734 wrote:
Widescale projects take time. These comments are the exact comments heard while building the H3.
on August 28,2012 | 02:27PM
DAGR81 wrote:
You have gotto learn how to do research...a 5th grader would have done better.
on August 27,2012 | 10:29PM
rpb96734 wrote:
You're too easy. You can't even spell. Also, you revert to name calling as justification towards some unknown point. Take care.
on August 28,2012 | 02:28PM
ammb3 wrote:
The US house of Representatives approved ONLY $100 million out of the $250 million so far... Good luck getting the full-funding buddy.
on August 27,2012 | 11:38PM
rpb96734 wrote:
A $100 million down payment. Sounds good to me.
on August 28,2012 | 02:29PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Good grief. How often do you read the newspaper?
on August 27,2012 | 04:18PM
rpb96734 wrote:
EVERY DAY
on August 27,2012 | 04:45PM
false wrote:
Only the comics?
on August 27,2012 | 04:53PM
rpb96734 wrote:
AND THE CROSSWORDS
on August 27,2012 | 05:04PM
harryeight wrote:
This would be a good to get this back on the ballet. It will fail this time!!!!!!!!
on August 27,2012 | 05:14PM
rpb96734 wrote:
"Ballot"
on August 28,2012 | 03:17PM
PCWarrior wrote:
At least you got a sense of humor brother. Good for you!!
on August 27,2012 | 05:56PM
rpb96734 wrote:
We have different opinions but we are still part of the same community!
on August 28,2012 | 03:18PM
aomohoa wrote:
Certainly not the news
on August 27,2012 | 09:23PM
rpb96734 wrote:
Wait, there's "News" in the Newspaper?
on August 28,2012 | 03:18PM
pj737 wrote:
Looks like we have a winner here.
on August 27,2012 | 04:23PM
rpb96734 wrote:
THANKS
on August 27,2012 | 04:48PM
atilter wrote:
yeah, rpb, you actually came in SECOND! everyone else was tied for FIRST!!!
on August 27,2012 | 08:34PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
ROFL!
on August 28,2012 | 09:30AM
rpb96734 wrote:
You're part of a terrorist group?
on August 28,2012 | 03:21PM
rpb96734 wrote:
That was lame.
on August 28,2012 | 03:20PM
aomohoa wrote:
You don't even know when someone is making fun of you. LOL!
on August 27,2012 | 09:24PM
rpb96734 wrote:
Obviously sarcasm is lost on stupid people.
on August 28,2012 | 03:21PM
Living_Large wrote:
Might be partially funded by the Feds, however the people of Hawaii will need to maintain it, which will cost BILLIONS of dollars. This is gonna be a burden on the local taxpayers for generations to come.
on August 27,2012 | 04:24PM
luvshawaii wrote:
Haven't smelt a dime of the so called federal funds. The country is broke, remember? Trillions of dollars. We're borrowing from China. We can't lose what we never had in the first place.
on August 27,2012 | 04:45PM
localguy wrote:
Actually what we voted for was a professionally managed rail project. Our mistake was to vote this in the Nei, knowing full well our incompetent our elected bureaucrats are. Look how they willfully violated the law, now they want taxpayers to pay for their incompetence. What a bunch of clueless baboozes. Go Ben Go!!!!
on August 27,2012 | 06:21PM
rpb96734 wrote:
Actually we did vote for the Rail back in 2008.
on August 28,2012 | 03:36PM
popaa wrote:
Do you pay federal atxes?
on August 27,2012 | 06:43PM
rpb96734 wrote:
Yes
on August 28,2012 | 03:37PM
sjean wrote:
Could you please justify exactly why we deserve it?
on August 27,2012 | 07:09PM
rpb96734 wrote:
See my post for Polekosta
on August 28,2012 | 03:37PM
Ewasohappy wrote:
Last time I checked, not one thin dime, of FEDERAL GOVERNMENT money, has been given to C&C for rail.
on August 27,2012 | 07:21PM
rpb96734 wrote:
Everything is now, now, now. Massive amounts of money take time. Be patient.
on August 28,2012 | 03:38PM
aomohoa wrote:
You have no idea what you are talking about
on August 27,2012 | 09:20PM
rpb96734 wrote:
You have nothing better to do then say redundant things.
on August 28,2012 | 03:39PM
Maipono wrote:
Mufi, Peter, Kirk, Daniel (I and G) and most of the city council made the very bad decision to forge ahead, even though they were warned about future litigation. What were they thinking? Now we the taxpayers will be paying for their poor decision making. We do have recourse coming real soon, vote these rascals off the city council and vote for responsible leadership for mayor in governor Cayetano. Mufi, and Peter have seen what happens when you go against the will of the people, now we have to take care of the sycophants in the city council. Go Ben go!
on August 27,2012 | 03:53PM
shoogz wrote:
I couldn't agree more....
on August 27,2012 | 06:44PM
sjean wrote:
Don't forget Romy C was duped into voting Yes by the liar Mufi.
on August 27,2012 | 07:12PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
This is only the beginning to putting the final stake through the HART of this misguided and ill-conceived project. We people must stay vigilant and continue to push for the cancellation of heavy rail on concrete platforms in the sky. We must get Ben into office so he can transition us from a foolish and incredibly expensive plan to a more cost effective program that will actually mitigate traffic. There's going to be tons of pressure and manipulations to put elevated heavy rail back on tracks - back room deals will be everywhere because so much money is involved. Wolverines! Wolverines!....oh wait....I'm getting da kine all carried away. Just remember this is a first step. A good one but just the first. Rail must die.
on August 27,2012 | 03:55PM
goodday wrote:
Good job! now the rail is going to cost us even MORE. NOT going to the workers of our local construction industry either.
on August 27,2012 | 04:01PM
Fred01 wrote:
Who cares about our workers and local construction industry.
on August 27,2012 | 04:26PM
harryeight wrote:
It would be better if the "Prevaling Wagw" was going to licals. Just send all these "UNION" mworkes home to Mainland. Prevailing Wage is a very inflated contruction cost that needs removed from the books!
on August 27,2012 | 05:17PM
Naloboy wrote:
Let them complain to John White....he's the one wasting their money.
on August 27,2012 | 05:58PM
pakeheat wrote:
If you had been keeping up, most of the jobs went to outsiders so far
on August 27,2012 | 09:29PM
polekasta wrote:
Then put the blame to where it belongs, with the city and it's administration. For issuing contracts prematurely and not following the Law. If the city had followed the law and not tried to push to get construction started and issuing contracts before getting the money from the feds, rail would not be in this mess it's in now.
on August 27,2012 | 10:20PM
mcc wrote:
Rush, rush, rush, like the Superferry...
on August 27,2012 | 04:07PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Die, die, die just like the Superferry.
on August 27,2012 | 04:16PM
rpb96734 wrote:
The superferry is only "dead" because of misfiled paperwork.
on August 27,2012 | 04:54PM
Naloboy wrote:
Oh, right. Its dead because of arrogance and misfiled brain cell.
on August 27,2012 | 07:05PM
rpb96734 wrote:
Yeah, they should take their time with this. Leave no stone unturned.
on August 27,2012 | 04:53PM
niimi wrote:
I'm really glad to hear the rail project is halted until the proper archeological studies are completed. I'm really hopeful for Ben getting in to the Mayor's seat.
on August 27,2012 | 04:09PM
monkseal2 wrote:
Hawaii is such a loser state. Jeeez, here we go again! Super Ferry, Rail 1992, Rail 2012, H3. We can't get anything done right. No wonder the Chinese are going to eat our lunch. We have no common goals. We just fight each other until we self destruct.
on August 27,2012 | 04:10PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
Get rid of the party system.
on August 27,2012 | 04:19PM
atilter wrote:
DID SOMEBODY SAY "PARTY" - weah stay?
on August 27,2012 | 08:39PM
commoner wrote:
Utterly RIDICULOUS! When they found archaeological "bones" of our Hawaiian ancestors at the now Keeaumoku Wal-Mart site, the construction did NOT stop; it went on. And, mind you, the bones were found on the site. Yet, they still went on with the construction and Wal-Mart sits on that site...even with our ancestors bones. Just goes to show you that the CORPORATIONS with $$$, buys everything, including the politicians, government(s) that had approved it. So, now they want to do the exact same type of STUDY to see IF there are bones. Mind you, they haven't found it yet...but, they stop construction. How disgusting to see the inequity and inconsistencies of the government....who caters to businesses or firms with $$$. Big businesses own the newsmedia and buy your OPINION and for what????? (for the measly minimum wage job(s) that they throw to the people). This is disgusting!
on August 27,2012 | 04:20PM
Fred01 wrote:
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on August 27,2012 | 04:25PM
Naloboy wrote:
Makes you (Stevie) Wonder, don't it?
on August 27,2012 | 05:57PM
torps20022 wrote:
totally agree! awe to the people who have no life and complain about what will make this state alot better. you make a lot of sense to me. Rail will not be like the superferry people it will be like the H3. eventually it will be completed when us older people are gone, because of narrow minded individuals not wanting to see a future for our children and theirs. wake up people.
on August 27,2012 | 08:32PM
pakeheat wrote:
NO, you need to wake up! Rail ain't going to do a darn thing about our traffic woes on the highways, you cannot even prove it also. You lucky you might be gone when and if when rail is completed, you're grandchildren will be paying for it and wished you voted against it. H3 and rail, apples and oranges, have to remind you uniformed proponents again and again, H3 was heavily funded by the FEDS, the rail is a city project. You think you're children and grandchildren will ride it to work? You won't be there to force them to ride it, so you're comments aren't taken seriously.
on August 27,2012 | 09:34PM
inverse wrote:
Rail is dead. HOWEVER, just like the Super Ferry fiasco or Stevie Wonder blunder, Hawaii taxpayers are going to take a loss since Mufi, Kirk C, Peter C, Yoshioka, etc prematurely rushed into signing contracts with Kiewett, Ansaldo, etc. and spent rail funds like there was no tomorrow. The Superferry loss was in the tens of millions, the Wonder blunder a million or two lost in the end, HOWEVER the rail project losses to Hawaii taxpayers, that will NEVER be recovered, will probably be in the $500 million to $1 BILLION range.
on August 27,2012 | 04:30PM
bleedgreen wrote:
"...at the 2010 census...the population of the city and county (of Honolulu) was 953,207." State population in 2010 was 1.36 mil (est.) . In 1990 the state population was 1.11 mil. (est.). So the population gain over the 20-year period from 1990 to 2010 was 250,000 (est.). So we may surmise the state population will grow to 1.61 mil.(est.) by year 2030, where much of the growth will be within the City and County of Honolulu; mainly in the Leeward area where the City's master plan is to develop the second city at Kapolei. In the 19 years I have lived in the Ewa plains, I would judge this development a failure. Very few businesses have established offices in "the second city." Only the land developers have benefited. More and more housing construction. Meanwhile, the water system supporting this development will put a strain beyond its capability to support the additional population. Same for sewage. I say stop this development. Let the City/State develop other areas around Oahu. Perhaps in the Mililani to Schofield area. Even develop another city in the Haleiwa to Halemano area where lots of open land exits. Kapolei/Leeward is tapped-out.
on August 27,2012 | 04:32PM
braddah wrote:
GOOD, NOW I CAN VOTE FOR CALDWELL!
on August 27,2012 | 04:51PM
rpb96734 wrote:
YAY!
on August 27,2012 | 05:05PM
luvshawaii wrote:
Assenine!
on August 27,2012 | 05:57PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
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on August 27,2012 | 07:21PM
luvshawaii wrote:
He's busy putting out fires.
on August 27,2012 | 08:20PM
Naloboy wrote:
For what? Sorry..... What for?
on August 27,2012 | 05:56PM
kumasachi wrote:
Kirk Caldwell is toast thanks to his daughter and her female companion.
on August 27,2012 | 06:28PM
Oahuan wrote:
So Lingle was right and Mufi was bs'ing when she said that the EIS was not completed.
on August 27,2012 | 04:56PM
Naloboy wrote:
Yes... Lingle IS the expert on incomplete environmental analyses. Bon voyage to rail...just like the Stupidferry.
on August 27,2012 | 05:56PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Hey, Honolulublue, I hope you are having a nice day, but I do not think so.
on August 27,2012 | 05:11PM
gif wrote:
Wait was the project canceled or just postponed while they do the survey? Based on the article above it sounds like they can resume construction once the survey is completed.
on August 27,2012 | 05:11PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
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on August 27,2012 | 07:23PM
jusjoking wrote:
I expect you'll just tell me to do my own research, but where did this date of Oct 16th come? A hat or an .....?
on August 27,2012 | 08:15PM
luvshawaii wrote:
Now, how would you know that, unless you're in the thick with those thieves. Hmmmm....
on August 27,2012 | 08:21PM
b_ryan wrote:
Hopefully construction doesn't stop for too long. Or else Oahu loses the federal funding to build an alternative to help alleviate traffic! If there is no elevated rail how is traffic going to get better?! Will taking away a lane of existing traffic on the H-1, Moanalua Freeway, or Kamehameha Highway to use for light(er) rail or a dedicated bus make all the difference? No it will not. There will still be traffic lights and bottlenecks. One cannot build the "H-4" or underground tunnels either-Oahu's history will always be dug up, no matter what. There is no way around it.
on August 27,2012 | 05:18PM
Naloboy wrote:
Please....have a another big gulp full of that kool aid....click your heels three times and say, "there's no place like rail....there's no place like rail.....there's no place like rail."
on August 27,2012 | 05:54PM
b_ryan wrote:
All right so if there is no rail how will traffic get any better? If I'm wrong do you know of any other options?
on August 27,2012 | 06:09PM
fox912 wrote:
Here is a good start, take all cars without insurance off the road
on August 27,2012 | 06:44PM
pakeheat wrote:
and fix those merges on the H1
on August 27,2012 | 09:37PM
luvshawaii wrote:
You still believe in the tooth fairy ryan. Federal funding is a myth.
on August 27,2012 | 05:58PM
b_ryan wrote:
Federal funding is a myth? How was the H-1, H-2, Kamehameha and Moanalua Freeways built? With State and City & County funds?
on August 27,2012 | 06:12PM
luvshawaii wrote:
You do realize that federal dollars are our tax dollars, right. The reason for H-3 has been noted in these blogs many, many times. It had nothing to do with the people of Oahu. It was all about the military. So, yeah, federal funds were used in that instance. As for rail, federal funding is all talk and no action.
on August 27,2012 | 08:24PM
Naloboy wrote:
Why is this rag always the LAST to report anything that might be perceived as negative about this project? And first to repeat old news about it even when that news is fabricated by HART sold in big shibai bags to Honolulu taxpayers? Answer: Because this newspaper is run by the same folks who will delete this post.
on August 27,2012 | 05:53PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Okay so let's hear some numbers from Yoshioka. He was the one screaming that if we didn't go forward with the columns, it was going to cost more money for the delay. Well, what's this delay going to cost. We already paid Kiewit $15 million for delays and are negotiating more even before this latest delay. And am I the only one who sees the ridiculousness of putting columns fifty feet into the sky in EMPTY FIELDS WITH NOTHING ELSE AROUND ANYWHERE??? Couldn't they have placed this section on the ground at much less cost and then developed around the train line? Couldn't this have extended into Ewa and Waianae ALONG THE EXISTING GROUND TRACKS? Nothing about this project makes sense. Believe nothing the city tells you about rail. The shibai has been in from the start.
on August 27,2012 | 06:02PM
matsuyama wrote:
Because the contractors would get less money. If they build the rail on the ground in the empty farm fields as common sense would dictate, they wouldn't be able to steal as much money from the taxpayers.
on August 27,2012 | 06:11PM
pizzapirate wrote:
Is it time to now consider the elevated highway? How about toll lanes? Or like in Cali- they have those traffic lights prior to the on ramp? Our society is very independent. We will use personal transportation for a long time. In HNL- you can use a bus or a cab or walk. Changing our behaviors are difficult. Its not the 50's were we had 1 car in the driveway- now many more.
on August 27,2012 | 06:09PM
luvshawaii wrote:
We are an island, not a continent. Not enough land mass here.
on August 27,2012 | 08:26PM
b_ryan wrote:
Okay, if there is no rail how will traffic get any better? IF you're right, what's your solution?
on August 27,2012 | 06:10PM
matsuyama wrote:
Someone said they were going to build H3 across Ford Island and on to Kapolei. Sounds like a good idea to me.
on August 27,2012 | 06:33PM
popaa wrote:
A bridge could be built from Iroquois Point, over Ford Island to the Nimitz flyover.
on August 27,2012 | 06:54PM
popaa wrote:
Simple. Remove all employee parking at the work place except for those who carpool with 4 or more passengers. They would not be alllowed on premises if there is less than 4 riders. Remove all on street parking. Make it so NO parking is available anywhere. The result will be public transportation will have to be relied on. Gonna hurt, but it will reduce vehicular traffic.
on August 27,2012 | 06:53PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Either that or raise those low parking fees charged to government workers and college campuses to the going rate. If people want to drive by themselves, they should pay for making traffic bad.
on August 27,2012 | 08:57PM
Naloboy wrote:
Light rail, Einstein. Not this behemoth steel on steel ancient technology that creates a concrete barrier between the people and the ocean for 20 miles. C'mon. Stop acting like this is a good project. Its goals are good. The project is a terrible joke.
on August 27,2012 | 07:12PM
pakeheat wrote:
rail is not a solution, it's an alternative, got it?
on August 27,2012 | 09:38PM
localguy wrote:
Had our clueless, babooze, elected bureaucrats simply followed law there would be no construction going on right no, no chance of paying delay fees to contractors, and perhaps, less to zero on change orders. Notice how fast Grabby Boy had to eat his words, first saying construction would go on. Seems he hasn't got a clue what a court order can do, slapped him down so fast he didn't see it coming. He is simply too incompetent to run anything. Does anyone really think our rail would have come in on time and on budget? No way. If rail were to continue look for a final total closer to 8-9 billion versus the $5 billion now talked. Look how much has been wasted so far? Yes, we truly are the little 4th world of Hawaii Nei. Go Ben Go!
on August 27,2012 | 06:19PM
rayhawaii wrote:
Yep like I always said this rail going to cost 8billion$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ if it ever gets finished. One easy BILLION down da drain. That billion could of gone to our schools. Nice some native Hawaiian group so concerned about out ancesters but there goes a billion. Plus most equipment probably going to end up missing. I hope some Hawaiian groups concerned about the Hawaiian homeless, litter and other important issues. Might as well tackle them all.
on August 27,2012 | 06:30PM
Naloboy wrote:
Beware.... the Advertiser's censors abound. Please sugar coat all posts and refrain from intelligent, civil, but pointed responses to the coalition trying to force this horrible transit project down our throats. This isn't an online discussion, its an online presentation brought to you by the labor unions, the Star Advertiser and the dying-on-the-vine remants of the Hannemann administration.
on August 27,2012 | 07:09PM
kahuku01 wrote:
What a relief! No more yapping from Uku and his cronies (Bluebreaker, Wiliki. Nanakuli, Rollman) until he does his new paste-ups.
on August 27,2012 | 07:20PM
aomohoa wrote:
I'll second that kahuku01!
on August 27,2012 | 09:28PM
Kaleo744 wrote:
in the mean time our road ways are getting worse by the day,costing us the tax payers almost a billion dollars spent for nothing and its costing us even more on car repairs,new tires, wasted gas mileage,at least on the H-3 coming out of the tunnel west bound you can "coast" to try to save gas ,no bumps and puka's clean and smooth....fix the roads already!!!!
on August 27,2012 | 07:55PM
torps20022 wrote:
its all a joke. Rail will be built and completed when us older people are dead and gone. We won't enjoy it, because of people not having a vision in our future, or our childrens future. third world countries are benefiting from rail (Maybe cayetano should go back to his home land and see) and the 50th state in the union can't prosper and keep up with technology because of our great leaders who lead the followers. I can't wait until November so I can vote him out and watch all u people cry cuz he is not in. If he was pro rail he would have been mayor already. shame on him.
on August 27,2012 | 08:38PM
pakeheat wrote:
What's to enjoy about rail, riding to the mall? traffic congestion will be lowered by a small margin and yet we have to pay for 5 billion dollars, can you count that on you're fingers torps20022?
on August 27,2012 | 09:40PM
MauiWally wrote:
I would bet that all the moneys collected by the 1/2% tax increase to fund rail will NEVER be returned to the people. Cayetano's push to stop rail could easily be seen as a big money grab for what has already been collected under the guise of "we need the money for this and that...road, sewers, etc". And while this may be true, the monies collected were set aside SPECIFICALLY FOR RAIL and no other uses. If rails dies, then it should rightfully be returned to the people. I severely doubt that will ever happen....
on August 27,2012 | 08:17PM
atilter wrote:
it could not have happened to a more deserving bunch of people!!! lady "justice" may be blind but she sure can THINK! any stop is a good stop!
on August 27,2012 | 08:17PM
torps20022 wrote:
imua rail the fight is not over. I will be voting for caldwell, I don't trust cayetano for nothing.
on August 27,2012 | 08:27PM
pakeheat wrote:
I don't trust you too
on August 27,2012 | 09:41PM
fishguy wrote:
that will drive the unemployment up this month.
on August 27,2012 | 08:35PM
gogolf wrote:
If they stop the rail project they better stop the Hoopili and Koa Ridge project because there is no way our infrastructure can handle the additional load. Imagine another 10.000 more on the road on this side of the island. I wonder what went happen to all those politicians who took free trips all around the world to check out rail systems and came up with this plan. Why are they not saying nothing now? What you already got the free vacation?
on August 27,2012 | 08:36PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Yesterday Grabauskas said he was only going to stop digging but continue on with the rest of the construction. Someone must have set him straight. That is the kind of hostile response those HART and other pro-rail people give. We will all hear from Graubaskas gang again.
on August 27,2012 | 08:39PM
tedtenpo wrote:
As an anti-rail life-long O'ahu resident, I am not against mass transit but for a better solution than this ill-conceived elevated rail plan. I implore you to do a little research on Bogota, Colombia's Bus Rapid Transit (BRT). In operation for over 10 years, the BRT was an alternative to an incredibly expensive proposed network of elevated highways. Here's a 7-mintue video: http://www.streetfilms.org/bus-rapid-transit-bogota/. Because most of us aren't anti-mass transit, we're anti-thisstupidproject. I know apparently the city looked at BRT and rail won out, but why? Because BRT won't provide 1) all the construction jobs rail will and 2) it would operate on existing freeways, thus bypassing all of the big landowners looking to cash-in on TOD development around proposed rail stations. The residents of O'ahu are LOSING OUT to unions and big landowners who are using politicians to sell pro-rail people the DUMBEST FORM OF MASS-TRANSIT EVER.
on August 27,2012 | 08:42PM
KING_CRABBE wrote:
FINALLY, mufi is exposed! Enough already, all go back to unemployment lines, the reality check. More shibai to come.
on August 27,2012 | 09:01PM
ISCREAM wrote:
Doesn't mean the city will stop signing contracts...Carlisle wants to make sure that sooo muuuuch money is spent that I will be almost impossible for Mayor Cayetano to extricate the city from.
on August 27,2012 | 09:41PM
twitter6 wrote:
All the laid off construction workers may have a bone to pick with Uncle Ben. Oh well. Take advantage of Inouye's power now while he is still in office, whether that be rail or an alternative. Once he retires, senior senator power will be done.
on August 27,2012 | 09:51PM
UhhDuhh wrote:
Okay, soooooooooooo, what are we going do about traffic? All you big mouth dumb donkeys all hiding behind the cloak of not spending more taxpayers' dollars- what are we going to do about traffic? It will still be here if rail is halted. What are we going to do about traffic? Cayetano had eight years to fix traffic and it takes twice as long to go home to the west side as it did when he was governor. What? Complain, complain, complain but no solutions from you big mouth whiners. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT TRAFFIC? THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE. Donkeys.
on August 27,2012 | 09:53PM
naueimua wrote:
As long as car makers keep out doing their selves with better models each year, those of us who can afford it will still buy them. We love our cars/trucks and also the freedom of going where ever we want, whenever we want even though gas prices are rising! I see it every morning on my commute from makakilo to waikiki. Rail is NOT for me and the MANY like me.
on August 27,2012 | 11:16PM
kokonu42 wrote:
the west side (ewa and kapolei) of the island is the area that is in development. isn't it obvoius that the rail would alleviate a significant amount of road traffic going toward town and the university of hawaii. it is possible that the rail could be extended beyond the 20 mile plan to include other parts of the island. rail is for our future generation. GO RAIL NOW.
on August 28,2012 | 01:39AM
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