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Cayetano files libel lawsuit against pro-rail group PRP

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 07:08 p.m. HST, Oct 22, 2012


Mayoral candidate Ben Cayetano filed a libel lawsuit today against the organization that has spent more than $1 million in advertising which he alleges attacks his character.

The lawsuit names Pacific Resource Partnership, PRP executive director John White, PRP’s trustees, its political action committee, the Hawaii Carpenter’s Union and Hoakea Communications, the advertising agency helping to coordinate the campaign.

The lawsuit, filed in Hawaii Circuit Court this morning, alleges that PRP and its associates are conducting a coordinated campaign of push polls, television and radio advertisements, and flyers that falsely accuse the former governor of accepting illegal campaign contributions, giving government contracts in exchange for contributions, and keeping contributions for personal gain.

A spokeswoman for PRP, which has endorsed Kirk Caldwell for Honolulu mayor, said attorneys for the organization have yet to see the lawsuit and that PRP would not comment until it is reviewed.

PRP is a partnership between the carpenter’s union and unionized construction companies in the state that, according to PRP’s own website, is focused on leading “efforts that sustain the health of the building industry.”

“This case is about big money for big lies and it’s about the future of elections in Hawaii,” said Jim Bickerton, one of Cayetano’s attorneys. “It’s bigger than Ben vs. Kirk, and it’s bigger than rail vs. bus. It’s about whether we’re going to let secret, shadowy groups with unlimited funds pump lies into the public discourse.”







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KamaiianaGuy wrote:
Wow. Thin skin, Ben. If elected, are you going to sue anyone who doesn't agree with you? And as for "shadowy groups", who the heck is funding the new pro-Ben PACs?
on October 22,2012 | 02:37PM
gsc wrote:
KamaiianaGuy, I'm only writing the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on October 22,2012 | 02:46PM
autumnrose wrote:
Well, Cayetano's no Dalai Lama ... but he's within his legal rights. What would you do, kamailiana, if someone was spending millions to SMEAR YOUR reputation? Huh?
on October 22,2012 | 05:36PM
autumnrose wrote:
What would you do, kamailana, if the Hawaii Carpenters Market Recovery Fund -- the source of PRP PACs money -- had $$17 MILLION in their FUND and their executive director John D. White Jr. said on 8-11-2012 on KHON TV to Gina Mangiari that PRP would continue their attack ads... spend WHATEVER IT TAKES to beat Cayetano -- and that he could JUSTIFY the expense to every member? Why do carpenters so DESPERATELY want RAIL? John White has said in interviews, that it's for the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS they will make from building the transit oriented developments.... it's NOT about easing traffic congestion. It's an excuse for CONSTRUCTION $$$
on October 22,2012 | 07:17PM
walaau808 wrote:
So Cayetano is within his legal right...that much is true. Truth is he isn't a saint and can dish it out, but apparently he can't handle the truth either...
on October 22,2012 | 08:16PM
false wrote:
Thin skin. I don't think so, it some like you who think nothing of the lies and p-lau campaigning is nothing . So what......... think skin?
on October 22,2012 | 02:49PM
jomama wrote:
Maybe Obama should sue Romney
on October 22,2012 | 06:35PM
walaau808 wrote:
Lies? All of the candidates "lie" to a certain degree...but they call it selective campaigning. In politicians minds, half a truth isn't a lie and Ben has slinged mud with the best of them. How soon you all forget about what and who the former governor is...
on October 22,2012 | 08:18PM
pakeheat wrote:
walaau808, stop smoking crack, okay?
on October 22,2012 | 09:52PM
OldDiver wrote:
Ben believes it's okay to smear others, but not okay for them to throw the smear back into his face. Ben has a bad temper and is acting like a bully.
on October 22,2012 | 03:26PM
8082062424 wrote:
If Ben was playing dirty he would have used what kirk daughter did and have her arrested. he took the high road. we all saw the pictures of her getting high and burning Ben signs
on October 22,2012 | 03:52PM
walaau808 wrote:
Who's to say he won't? Don't believe for one second that he didn't think about it! If you were in his place, would you? The only reason he didn't is because he knows for a fact that people won't vote for someone who goes after a kid...and that's the truth!
on October 22,2012 | 08:27PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
If you oppose me politically I will sue you...that's a bully.
on October 22,2012 | 04:14PM
autumnrose wrote:
CAYETANO, dear Keith, is NO bully... bullies don't sue others who wrong them. Did ERIC the BULLY RYAN try to sue you? NO, you poor baby SUED Ryan and LOST.
on October 22,2012 | 05:34PM
autumnrose wrote:
I wish I could SMEAR olddiver, but he does a pretty good job showing how DIRTY he is . . . all by himself.
on October 22,2012 | 05:39PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
You're a liar. I never sued anybody in my life.
on October 22,2012 | 06:31PM
onevoice82 wrote:
there is a huge difference between opposing someones political views and lying about a person. Stay on topic Keith.
on October 22,2012 | 06:53PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
That WAS the point.
on October 22,2012 | 07:03PM
autumnrose wrote:
oh sorry Keith... forgot you just tried to sic the law on RYAN and have him arrested for the same thing you did to others.... something like that.
on October 22,2012 | 07:23PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Not even close. I filed a criminal complaint because someone had forged by name on a incriminatory email, The police investigation traced it to Ryan, What I was accused of is using a screen name on some public blogs...such as you are doing now, Hardly the same thing.
on October 22,2012 | 08:43PM
Kalli wrote:
So odd that for someone who got fired by Mufi for being incompetent would be so righteous.
on October 23,2012 | 05:40AM
mcc wrote:
If you tell lies about me to destroy me, that's libel.
on October 22,2012 | 06:23PM
OldDiver wrote:
1. Ben's campaign did accept illegal contributions. We know this for a fact because Ben paid a fine for doing this. 2. Accepting illegal contributions was not illegal at the time. 3. Bob Watada, Ben's close friend admitted pay for play was how things worked during the Cayetano administration. It was actually how things worked until the legislature passed a law making it illegal. 4. I believe the personal gain was being elected governor. Not sure though. 5. Anybody can sue anyone.
on October 22,2012 | 03:34PM
808chubs wrote:
Oh give it up.
on October 22,2012 | 04:16PM
PCWarrior wrote:
So did Hirono's campaign when The Devil Incarnate John White of PRP was her campaign manager. The whole PRP thing is BS. The people know it. We'll see in two weeks whether the carpenter's union should be upset that their money is being thrown around like this for such a BS purpose.
on October 22,2012 | 04:37PM
Kalli wrote:
Mostly false. The campaign had no way of knowing they were illegal. Mazie also accepted "illegal" contributions from the same people and PRP said nothing. Kirk Caldwell likely has taken "illegal" contributions with nothing said. Why are you willing to compromise your integrity so easily?
on October 23,2012 | 05:42AM
8082062424 wrote:
far from it he should show who the liars are.
on October 22,2012 | 03:48PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
KamaiianaGuy - You're missing the point here. It is not about (Ben) who doesn't agree with and just filing a lawsuit; it is about the false and defamatory speech made about a public figure with knowledge of its falsify... Read the above complain from Ben's attorneys.
on October 22,2012 | 04:13PM
Soledad wrote:
Good point KamaainaGuy.
on October 22,2012 | 06:16PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I VOTED FOR BEN!
on October 23,2012 | 12:49AM
Kalli wrote:
PRP over stepped any bounds of civility with their attacks. They were lies by omission. Now even the Star Advertiser is lieing about the amount of traffic rail will take off the streets. Is there nothing the pro railers will not say or do to push their agenda of an all consuming project at the expense of the people?
on October 23,2012 | 05:38AM
gsc wrote:
I'm proudly voting for Gov BEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He does not need the money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He does not need the fame !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tough times don't last !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tough guys do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ye who get's the last laugh get's the bestest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on October 22,2012 | 02:38PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Tough? Ben's a crybaby who thinks he can intimidate by screaming loud.
on October 22,2012 | 04:22PM
pakeheat wrote:
Hey Keith, does he have a box of facial tissues next to him or does he have a bull horn in his hand? Don't exaggerate!
on October 22,2012 | 05:00PM
autumnrose wrote:
GOOD LAUGH, keith rollman... talking about cry baby. Your article is still up on Hawaii Reporter. Just google "Hatcheted by Huff" to find Keith Rollman crying like a baby. . . makes you feel sorry for the poor guy. http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hatcheted-by-huff/123
on October 22,2012 | 05:43PM
jomama wrote:
gee, I clicked through and he sounded reasonable to me, No crying there.
on October 22,2012 | 06:40PM
walaau808 wrote:
I agree...all I see is an explanation of the facts.
on October 22,2012 | 08:36PM
Anonymous wrote:
So Mr. Rollman is not a crybaby but he calls Cayetano one... same smell...
on October 22,2012 | 10:40PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I heard a screaming weisel. Did you hear a screaming wiesel?
on October 22,2012 | 05:28PM
jomama wrote:
look out Keith you might get sued
on October 22,2012 | 06:37PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
No, they'd have to use real names...not likely.
on October 22,2012 | 06:52PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
To collect anything the defendant would have to have a job and income.
on October 22,2012 | 07:00PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
I own my own business, and don't slander any of my clients, so they stick around.
on October 22,2012 | 07:06PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Mufi?
on October 22,2012 | 09:26PM
RichardCory wrote:
That is not enough exclamation marks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My comment is now more persuasive than yours !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, wait, not yet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, now it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on October 22,2012 | 06:03PM
Soledad wrote:
LOL. Thanks for the chuckle!
on October 22,2012 | 06:14PM
808zone wrote:
Go Ben go!!
on October 22,2012 | 02:54PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
PRP, through its massive financial support of Caldwell, has tried to buy Honolulu Hale and secure for itself the ability to direct what goes on in the City. The immediate goals - keep Ben from being elected and pull the rail wool over residents' eyes. The longer range goals? Well, you know that millions are not given away without expectation of a return.

Good luck to Ben. We don't want the cr@p the PRP is trying to peddle.


on October 22,2012 | 02:59PM
Anonymous wrote:
KG..get as grip your boy Kirk is no saint and where do you think he gets his funding...what his family?
on October 22,2012 | 03:00PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Dan Inouye, Krik Caldwell, and John White are the new three stooges.
on October 22,2012 | 03:10PM
false wrote:
They SOITENLY are!!!!
on October 22,2012 | 03:20PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk
on October 22,2012 | 05:18PM
OldDiver wrote:
Ben is the stooge for the Tea Party Republicans.
on October 22,2012 | 03:27PM
Kuihao wrote:
LOL. That statement is absurd. Lay off the crack, OD.
on October 22,2012 | 03:39PM
loquaciousone wrote:
He can't help it. All that nitrogen in his blood finally reached that empty space between his ears.
on October 22,2012 | 03:50PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Yeah, tell us again how the Berg/Cayetano team will save the day.
on October 22,2012 | 04:15PM
Poidogs wrote:
LOL, right? Don't forget to mention Romney, Djou, and Lingle! They're the heroes of East oahu and Kailua and support the NIMBY and WIIFM crowds.
on October 22,2012 | 04:58PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Keith applied as a stooge but failed to meet minimum standards. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
on October 22,2012 | 05:19PM
localguy wrote:
OldDribler - Actually Kirk is the lackey for PRP, they pull his strings just like the do yours.
on October 22,2012 | 06:24PM
jomama wrote:
watch out, you'll get sued
on October 22,2012 | 06:40PM
control wrote:
no, that's Ben, Cliff, and Panos.
on October 22,2012 | 08:06PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Now we can finally get to see who the fat cats are behind the 2 million dollar spent so far in Kirk Caldwell attack ads.
on October 22,2012 | 03:11PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Ben will never follow through with this phony suit. The defense is that they told the truth, and it turns into the trial of Ben Cayetano.
on October 22,2012 | 04:16PM
OldDiver wrote:
I was thinking the same. A trial will only expose Ben's past.
on October 22,2012 | 05:51PM
Soledad wrote:
I agree.
on October 22,2012 | 06:26PM
loquaciousone wrote:
We already have the three stooges so I guess you guys will have to settle for the three blind mice.
on October 22,2012 | 07:23PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Empyt barrels make the most noise and right now you sure are making a lot of noise. Given your past history, you wouldn't be part of PRP's smear campaign would you? MO fits you to a tee and maybe you might not want details exposed through this lawsuit.
on October 22,2012 | 07:33PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Not only that but after the discovery process reveals who is doing what and Ben wins, it will make it hard for certain folks to get jobs in town.
on October 22,2012 | 05:21PM
loquaciousone wrote:
And if by chance Kirk wins, we might see some pay to play in action by Kirk the Hypocrite Cadwell.
on October 22,2012 | 07:25PM
Bigdog_MD wrote:
"It’s about whether we’re going to let secret, shadowy groups with unlimited funds pump lies into the public discourse." And by that, he means only if the secret shadowy groups with unlimited funds happen to be on the OPPOSING side. What about SaveOurHonolulu? The new secret shadowy group headed by former Cayetano Campaign Chair Walter Heen which can now raise unlimited funds of its own? Talk about 2-faced. But, I guess if you can't beat'em, join'em.
on October 22,2012 | 03:12PM
loquaciousone wrote:
If SaveOurHonolulu is so secret and shadowy how do you know the name of the person who heads it? We, the public, are still waiting for John White to name who is funding this enormous expenditure of money to slur Ben.
on October 22,2012 | 03:48PM
Bigdog_MD wrote:
Wow, talk about an appropriate name, loquaciousone. Calling a group secret and shadowy when we all know that the unions are behind all of this is just a bunch of political name calling and rhetoric. What I'm saying is that it is completely ILLOGICAL and WRONG when you accuse the opposition of doing something inappropriate and then turn around and start doing it yourself. The super PAC saveourhonolulu was created because Cayetano tapped out his donors in hoping to have won more than 50% of the vote in the primary election. By creating this new group, he can now raise umlimited funds to support his run. But what about those messages at the end of these advertisements, "This message is without the approval of any political party or candidate" YEAH RIGHT, wink wink, nudge, nudge. When a candidate's former campaign chair resigns in order to become the chair of a super PAC, you can bet you bottom that Cayetano and his party completely approve of these messages. Don't pee on us and tell us it's raining ok? Just tired of seeing Ben in the news looking all sad and implying how he has all this integrity and that Caldwell does not.
on October 22,2012 | 04:38PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Well alrighty then, please explain the sources and flow of funds between Pacific Resource Partnership, the PRP Political Action Committee, The Hawaii Carpenters Political Action Fund and the Hawaii Carpenters Market Recovery Program Fund.

I'll wait for your detailed response.


on October 22,2012 | 05:25PM
jomama wrote:
why? What difference would that make to you?
on October 22,2012 | 06:42PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Always good to know where the cash comes from ,where it goes to, and whose paws are all over it.
on October 22,2012 | 07:01PM
walaau808 wrote:
And the purpose for that is what? Who really cares? Ben's super PAC is humming along and nobody cares "where the cash comes from, where it goes to, and whose paws are all over it"...because it's LEGAL!!!!! You all are looking for something or someone to blame. Can't get it through your heads that super PACS are run by a different set of rules? Build or bridge, then get over it!
on October 22,2012 | 08:43PM
walaau808 wrote:
Why should it matter?
on October 22,2012 | 08:40PM
Soledad wrote:
Very good points Bigdog.
on October 22,2012 | 06:31PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Are you an echo or do you have any orignal thoughts?
on October 22,2012 | 07:26PM
walaau808 wrote:
Hahahaha, you've been served...
on October 22,2012 | 08:43PM
Senior_Researcher wrote:
I don't watch television and listen ONLY to public radio so I've missed all of this PRP hoo-ha, altho' I've read plenty about it. It seems stupid to me because if Ben wanted money, he'd be supporting rail and taking donations from the contractors, unions, etc. I'm not sold on rail but I'm votiong for Caldwell because I think Ben is in the race for all the wrong reasons: (1) he's home alone and bored; (2) he loves to fight for the sake of fighting; (3) he relishes being attacked by everyone; (4) he's opposed to rail and couldn't get his way in court so he's trying to get elected mayor to kill it that way; (5) he knows nothing and cares less about everything else involved in being mayor. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!
on October 22,2012 | 03:14PM
false wrote:
For all those reasons, you really don't know anything.
on October 22,2012 | 03:21PM
autumnrose wrote:
Senior researcher: (1) you need to broaden your sources of information... Try Civil Beat, Honolulu Weekly, Ian Lind's blog (ilind.net), Hawaii Reporter, Hawaii Independent... (2) Cayetano supported CARLISLE even though Carlisle was for rail -- Cayetano just said, "do it right" or something lke that. But this rail is WRONG for a city the size of Honolulu. The 900,000 population is for the entire island of Oahu, and measuring density depends on the formula used. NO WAY is Honolulu 4th densest city in the US by any logical measure. NO way are we close to density of NYC or San Fran. or Manila or Hong Kong with population density to support a TRAIN network. ....(3) It's not about Cayetano's PERSONAITY.... it's about the ideas he stands for FISCAL RESPONSIBLITY.... FIRST....FOREMOST ! ! ! ! !
on October 22,2012 | 05:56PM
autumnrose wrote:
Senior researcher:... what does Caldwell stand for? ... All the unions? ... You're voting against Cayetano... what are you voting FOR? You're voting for FISCAL DISASTER. We need to FIX SEWERS...FIX WATER SYSTEM... ROADS... we can't even build those TRANSIT oriented developments without spending the billions to fix the SEWERS. Only reason all those 22 CONDO towers can go up in KAKAAKO (if there are no iwi) is because the SEWER system there has the capacity. BUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO DUMP ALL THEIR GARBAGE? ? ? IN WHOSE BACK YARD ? ? ?
on October 22,2012 | 06:03PM
walaau808 wrote:
So Cayetano is basically mad that Carlisle isn't doing it Ben's way? What a cry baby...
on October 22,2012 | 08:45PM
walaau808 wrote:
Truth stings doesn't it?
on October 22,2012 | 08:44PM
loquaciousone wrote:
All that PRP hoo-ha sounds stupid because it is a bunch of crÄp.
on October 22,2012 | 03:52PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Actually if the people weren't behind him Ben would be nothing. He's representing the majority of the people who aren't personally profiting from those who would feed at the public trough of rail.
on October 22,2012 | 04:41PM
Poidogs wrote:
I LOVE this assertion that people who are for rail must somehow be getting paid off by unions to approve it. People couldn't possibly want a rail system just based on their own opinions, oh no! There MUST be a money trail SOMEWHERE! Oh where, oh where can it be?!
on October 22,2012 | 05:05PM
walaau808 wrote:
I agree...anti railers love a conspiracy theory!
on October 22,2012 | 08:46PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Kirk is getting millions in public relations from PRP.

Do you think those millions come without strings attached? Really>

Would you really vote to put the PRP in charge of the City?


on October 22,2012 | 05:31PM
engineersoldier wrote:
SR: You have rendered one of the most incisive analysis of this life long naysayer with a huge chip on his shoulder who has never accomplished anything positive. I would be interested in a similar analysis of the phony Lingle.
on October 22,2012 | 07:31PM
walaau808 wrote:
Good one!
on October 22,2012 | 08:46PM
Kuihao wrote:
Right on, Ben. It's about time someone stood up to John White and the other bullies at PRP. I was undecided about this election until I saw their ads, which have convinced me to vote for Ben.
on October 22,2012 | 03:14PM
leihanas wrote:
I think a lot of people agree with you. Their smear tactics will backfire IMHO.
on October 22,2012 | 04:01PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
They already have. Just say "PRP" and people act like it's all uji-uji.
on October 22,2012 | 05:26PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Ditto.
on October 22,2012 | 04:41PM
LL808 wrote:
Me too!
on October 22,2012 | 05:38PM
false wrote:
PRP - Pacific Rail Partnership LOL
on October 22,2012 | 03:15PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
ROFL..
on October 23,2012 | 12:48AM
oahuresident wrote:
The heyday of pay to play was during the administrations of Cayetano and Harris. Strangely Bob Watada only went after Harris. Now it turns out that Watada is Cayetano's "friend". Clearly Harris was targeted because he wanted to run for Governor, while the party's favorite was Mazie. This backfired on the party because Mazie lost decisively to Linda. I know for a fact that Watada is a liar. He was the party's hatchet man against Harris. He didn't go after Cayetano who was just as bad as Harris because Ben was "in" with the party. Just look at Cayetano's past and present supporters, Kobayashi and Mitsunaga, the Kings of pay to play.
on October 22,2012 | 03:32PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
You're pretty much on the money, except that Mazie didn't lose all that decisively to Lingle. There was a 17,000 vote difference out of 385,000, a little over 4%. At the time I remember that a lot of people were voting Republican just to make a statement about the good old boy nature of the Democratic Party in general and the corruption of the Cayetano Administration in particular.
on October 22,2012 | 05:33PM
localguy wrote:
BB - Mazie never saw a dollar she would not take, Pay to Play is her watchword.
on October 22,2012 | 06:25PM
walaau808 wrote:
But BB is also correct...Cayetano lost Mazie the election because he was a crappy governor and the people were sick of him. The party (and therefore Mazie) took one on the chin because of Ben.
on October 22,2012 | 08:48PM
Papakolea wrote:
Look who donated a ton of money to Ben's campaign. Do you think this is coming with no strings attached?https://nc.csc.hawaii.gov/CFSPublic/xSA.php?REG_NO=CC10828&RP_ID=132&SAOrder=S4&SAPage=4
on October 22,2012 | 09:19PM
leihanas wrote:
Good for Ben. Those guys at PRP need a good kick in the rear.
on October 22,2012 | 04:00PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Way to go. A smart move in a short time before the election, perhaps not costing anything to Ben for this issue to be published locally and nationally. Now with the law suit, the phantom big contributor ghosts hiding behind the green door will be out this Halloween without their masks.
on October 22,2012 | 04:34PM
Soledad wrote:
I see... so the lawsuit is his way of getting free media coverage instead of paying for political ads. Hmmmm....
on October 22,2012 | 06:50PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
IN BEN WE TRUST!
on October 23,2012 | 12:47AM
GorillaSmith wrote:
Filing an ill-advised lawsuit sure sounds like the death rattle of the Cayetano campaign. I think Ben is a decent guy but his candidacy is failing because he only harps on what he's against and has done nothing to convince voters that he has any sort of plan to run the city.
on October 22,2012 | 04:36PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
Otherwise based on the Civilbeat "Most voters have long since made up their minds about the Honolulu rail project, and their opposition has put Ben Cayetano in good position to become the city's next mayor. The Civil Beat Poll shows Cayetano holding a 51 percent to 42 percent advantage over Kirk Caldwell with a little more than a month before Election Day. The survey of 1,257 likely general election voters on Oahu was conducted between Sept. 26 and Sept. 28. 2012. Your assumption GorrilaSmith is not quite true.
on October 22,2012 | 04:47PM
Poidogs wrote:
I'm sorry, how many of those "likely voters" were white and over 55? Something like 83%? Every poll CB does is extremely biased and seems to focus on a certain pro-republican segment of the population. If they relied on an independent source to generate their numbers, I'd put more trust in their 'polls'.
on October 22,2012 | 05:11PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
You mean the same Civil Beat poll that had Ben winning the primary with 52% . . . before he actually ended up with 44% of the vote? That Civil Beat poll?
on October 22,2012 | 05:23PM
localguy wrote:
BB - And who came through the election as a winner? Can you say Ben? I knew you could.
on October 22,2012 | 06:26PM
walaau808 wrote:
Ben didn't "win" anything! Get your facts straight! If he did, we wouldn't be talking right now...
on October 22,2012 | 08:50PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I VOTED FOR BEN!
on October 23,2012 | 12:47AM
Manoa_Fisherman wrote:
Typical trial lawyer tactic, if you can't beat 'em, sue 'em! Thin skin is Ben's trademark. In a tantrum contest Abercrombie and Cayetano are tied, the people of Hawaii are the losers.
on October 22,2012 | 04:40PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I VOTED FOR BEN!
on October 23,2012 | 12:46AM
Bdpapa wrote:
Ben, there goes your credibility! You are just like them.
on October 22,2012 | 04:53PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
We are all voting for Ben, hon
on October 22,2012 | 05:27PM
Bdpapa wrote:
Not all!
on October 22,2012 | 07:53PM
walaau808 wrote:
All? Hahahaha, keep clicking your heels and saying that in your tiny little head...
on October 22,2012 | 08:51PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
It's just a campaign stunt to get some coverage and generate a sympathy vote. Desperation is starting to set in. Kind of pathetic, actually.
on October 22,2012 | 05:21PM
honokai wrote:
The polls have him leading.
on October 22,2012 | 05:48PM
5xcalibir2 wrote:
A hundred Filipinos does not a poll make
on October 22,2012 | 07:14PM
soshaljustic wrote:
JW has his PRoP but that does not seem to bother near as much, curiously. Not every day a guy leaves a job with not for profit and transitions over to unions as a prop holder. Know it sounds catty but hey-Trick or treat, sniff my seat, give me something made with ahi.
on October 22,2012 | 05:49PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
BluesBreaker wrote: "It's just a campaign stunt to get some coverage and generate a sympathy vote. Desperation is starting to set in. Kind of pathetic, actually."

For such a "desperate" and "pathetic" "campaign stunt," it sure seems to have you worked up.

If you want an example of a truly desperate and pathetic move, you only to look at Mufi's "endorsement" of Kirk. Talk about sad.
on October 22,2012 | 05:57PM
localguy wrote:
BB - You don't get it do you. If you do your due diligence, you would see Ben has a solid case, city experts in the applicable areas will be his witnesses in court as PRP gets slammed into the ground. Even if Ben were to lose the election, he will win big money from PRP and perhaps require them to publicly apologize for their willful failure to tell the public the truth. Will be a good day for the Nei, get this PRP trash to the dump as fast as possible. Sad for all the union money wasted, taken from hard working carpenters and other workers by greedy union bosses. Wait until PRP has to pay the court ordered settlement, just may bankrupt them. Go Ben Go.
on October 22,2012 | 06:30PM
walaau808 wrote:
You obviously think you know where PRP's money comes from...but you are only listening to the uninformed masses. No "hard working carpenter" is personally contributing to PRP's accounts and that is a fact! Go ask a union carpenter if he is paying out of pocket to PRP?
on October 22,2012 | 08:54PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
BluesBreaker you are pathetic!
on October 23,2012 | 12:46AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
How does Inouye rationalize supporting the PRP. This is going to back fire big time for him. Kiss a generational reputation goodbye. I mean, no class, eh?
on October 22,2012 | 05:29PM
connie wrote:
Let's hope it goes to trial. If its settled I'm afraid the cost will just be added onto the cost of building the rail. It would be viewed as "cost of doing business at taxpayers expense." Privatize the profits and socialize the risks. Gotta hand it to these politicians, they know their craft.
on October 22,2012 | 06:11PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I VOTED FOR BEN!
on October 23,2012 | 12:45AM
localguy wrote:
Reading these posts it is sad to see so many local people see nothing wrong with the current political situation, to where a political group can in their words, "legally" spread lies around with union members money. Not all members agree with this process but have no choice, their union bosses tell them to give more or get out. You have to believe our forefathers never saw this one coming and would have nothing to do with it. PRP taunts "Play to Pay" (P2P) yet this is exactly what they are doing, paying money so their union members can play with rail contracts, and Kirk, their puppet, will stay on as mayor and keep shoveling the gravy to PRP. If you read the real stories about Ben, no one has or if they did, cannot understand them, http://www.hawaiireporter.com/push-poll-claims-honolulu-mayoral-candidate-is-soft-on-crime-took-illegal-contributions/123 But this is how it is done in the little 4th world of Hawaii Nei. Decades of progress behind the mainland.
on October 22,2012 | 06:23PM
5xcalibir2 wrote:
Ahhh s use me but to a local THIS IS THE. MAINLAND!!!.....the other place is the continent
on October 22,2012 | 07:11PM
HawaiiNoKaOi wrote:
Finally Ben can put a stop to these nonsense publicity stunts!..........go get 'em fighter! You're the next Mayor, for sure!
on October 22,2012 | 06:23PM
control wrote:
you mean Cliff is stopping his silly publicity stunts???
on October 22,2012 | 08:11PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I VOTED FOR BEN!
on October 23,2012 | 12:44AM
justin_thyme wrote:
Jim Bickerton is the best litigator in Hawaii. Governor Cayetano made the right pick -- Bickerton and Michael Green will expose the hidden financial interests behind the anti-Cayetano smear campaign. I voted for Ben!
on October 22,2012 | 06:24PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Not unless they change the law first.
on October 22,2012 | 06:35PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I VOTED FOR BEN!
on October 23,2012 | 12:44AM
SUPrman wrote:
That's how the game was played back then, what's wrong with that? You want state non bid state contracts, you better grease the right wheel.
on October 22,2012 | 06:45PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
SUPrman keep polishing your steel wheel!
on October 23,2012 | 12:43AM
Onipaa1 wrote:
Ben will not kill rail. He just couldn't win a three way race for mayor as a pro-railer. Once he gets in he will say that he tried but couldn't stop rail, it will cost too much in litigation. Then he will give Mistunaga pay for play all the Transit Oriented Development contracts. His truth squad? Hand on to your money. Read this article on Malcom Tom truth squad leader. http://archives.starbulletin.com/98/04/13/news/story3.html
on October 22,2012 | 06:46PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:

-----yawn------

Paid comment. Disregard....move along.


on October 22,2012 | 07:03PM
Onipaa1 wrote:
Wow! Must have struck a nerve.
on October 22,2012 | 07:33PM
walaau808 wrote:
That's how the anti railers do it...dismiss everyone's opinion unless it support their own.
on October 22,2012 | 08:56PM
pakeheat wrote:
This is how proponents do it............they tell lies and call it facts.
on October 22,2012 | 10:03PM
Onipaa1 wrote:
read the article
on October 22,2012 | 10:41PM
5xcalibir2 wrote:
is it jus me? or did Cayetano just commit some ethics violation by calling a " Press Conference" to basically say he was going to try to "clear his name" by filing a lawsuit? Instead of taking out a political ad to do the same thing? Oh that's right a press conference is cheaper; but it reeks ILLEGAL!!!
on October 22,2012 | 07:06PM
control wrote:
yep, pretty much and the media sucks it up
on October 22,2012 | 08:12PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
5xcalibir2 keep polishing your steel wheel!
on October 23,2012 | 12:42AM
DonkeyCurl wrote:
I was on Ben's campaign when he first ran against Lingle. I remember his campaign spreading rumors that Linda Lingle was gay! Now Ben, using Michael Green as your lawyer? His wife is your cousin btw! Shall we bring up Bishop Estate...you need to look into the mirror before you throw stones!
on October 22,2012 | 07:32PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
DonkeyCurl go find a mirror and look into the mirror!
on October 23,2012 | 12:41AM
Psyche wrote:
Ben smeared himself by his shady actions and poor overall character. I can't believe how many ignorant people live in this state. This truly saddens me.
on October 22,2012 | 07:59PM
hikine wrote:
I agree. People tend to forget what happened in the past. Good ol' boy politics in the works. I hear complaints after the elections but guess who voted them in in the first place. If people are not satisfied with their candidate's performance in office then either shut up or do something for a recall!
on October 22,2012 | 10:34PM
islandsun wrote:
PRP is not worried about any lawsuit. They have the money and they want to rule. And all the trustees like Wilhelm from Kiewitt have insurance. Whats preventing these guys from smearing who they want? Nothing.
on October 22,2012 | 08:01PM
walaau808 wrote:
You don't know Wilhelm. Lance is a decent man!
on October 22,2012 | 08:57PM
pakeheat wrote:
Why should I know him? Lance Wilhelm, who?
on October 22,2012 | 10:04PM
islandsun wrote:
He is a local sellout. And his company is raking locals for more money everyday.
on October 22,2012 | 11:47PM
ymanalohyn wrote:
BEN CAYETANO AND WHITE FROM PRP IS BOTHE SLEEZY
on October 22,2012 | 08:21PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
ymanalohyn huh?
on October 23,2012 | 12:40AM
walaau808 wrote:
"It’s about whether we’re going to let secret, shadowy groups with unlimited funds pump lies into the public discourse.” That's funny because the LAW allows it, and Ben's people don't have a problem using that same law to their advantage. Hypocrites!!!
on October 22,2012 | 08:33PM
shoogz wrote:
Go Ben!!...btw...looks like our City Council is trying to pull a fast one on the taxpayers buy trying to pass a Charter Amendment on this election ballot that may give the City Council the ability to continue to fund HART even though Cayetano (if he wins) objects. See http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/8020/Charter-Amendment-Honolulu-Council-Grabs-for-Control-of-Rail-Funds.aspx. So taxpayer beware, vote "NO" to this amendment.
on October 22,2012 | 08:33PM
wobegone wrote:
Down with Ben, he is too honest, vote Caldwell, my homes will appreciate faster better with rail-supported economy growth--then take the profits and move in with the kids on the mainland before we are taxed to death. Where did all this negativism come from? California..
on October 22,2012 | 08:53PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
wobegone wake up, Caldwell and Rail are History!
on October 23,2012 | 12:40AM
bigman50 wrote:
There is big money behind the anti-rail movement. Google "Hawaii Highways Users Alliance" and check out their board of directors and you will find those vested in building more roads and selling more cars. Cayetano's transportation adviser is nothing but a shill for this special interest group.
on October 22,2012 | 09:07PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
bigman50 your comment is hysterical!
on October 23,2012 | 12:39AM
bigman50 wrote:
I assume you didn't check out the link!
on October 23,2012 | 09:42AM
Papakolea wrote:
Look who donated a ton of money to Ben's campaign. Do you think this is coming with no strings attached?https://nc.csc.hawaii.gov/CFSPublic/xSA.php?REG_NO=CC10828&RP_ID=132&SAOrder=S4&SAPage=4
on October 22,2012 | 09:20PM
pakeheat wrote:
And where do you think Caldwell's union supports comes with? He is already dangling in strings like a puppet.
on October 22,2012 | 10:06PM
sailfish1 wrote:
PRP ads have no candidates backing because they are all flagrant lies. Never trust Unions - they are only after money no matter the real cost.
on October 22,2012 | 10:10PM
hikine wrote:
Mr CayetaNO admitted that because he didn't know about the illegal contributions he deserves to keep the money! This begs the question of his integrity! He's hiding behind the loophole. Why not give this money to charity instead but I guess he has no morals to do so. He wasn't so hot when he was Governor what makes you think he'll do better as mayor?
on October 22,2012 | 10:21PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
hikine get a life!
on October 23,2012 | 12:37AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
IN BEN WE TRUST!
on October 23,2012 | 12:35AM
stevelaudig wrote:
After the election it goes away. the larger point, that the pro-rail lobby seems to be lying a lot will have been made. The Carpenters Union for a long time was associated with the criminal wing of the Teamsters. appears to still be.
on October 23,2012 | 01:03AM
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