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Advisory lifted, officials 'grateful' tsunami wasn't worse

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LAST UPDATED: 02:23 p.m. HST, Oct 28, 2012


The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center lifted a tsunami advisory for Hawaii at 3:58 a.m., as tsunami wave and surge activity continued to diminish after Saturday night's 7.7 magnitude earthquake in Canada.

The center said sea level changes and unusual currents may persist and swimmers should be cautious.

After the advisory was lifted, the Coast Guard began reopening harbors. Beaches also began reopening, although Hanauma Bay remained closed.

A popular triathlon set for Maui today was expected to go on as planned, with county lifeguards giving the OK for a 1 mile ocean swim.

There were no immediate reports of damage in the state, though one person died in a fatal crash near a road that was closed because of the threat near Oahu's north shore.

"We're very, very grateful that we can go home tonight counting our blessings," Gov. Neil Abercrombie said after the warning was downgraded at about 1 a.m.

The  Pacific Tsunami Warning Center downgraded the tsunami warning to an advisory just before 1 a.m., today, allowing the thousands of people who evacuated inundation zones for several hours to return to their homes and hotel rooms.

Mayors in different counties reduced the warning status, and police reopened roads to coastal areas.

The warning and advisory were downgraded after experts observed the size of the waves from 13 gauges around the Hawaiian islands consistently dropping. 

Charles McCreery, director of the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, said wave energy gets trapped around the islands and resonates for hours. 

"It may look like it's going down for awhile and can pop back up again. So we kind of have to wait a reasonable amount of time to make sure that the threat really is diminishing and isn't going to pop back up," he said.

Geophysicist Gerard Fryer said the biggest waves generated from a tsunami usually occur in the first half dozen of waves. "From then on, they tend to get smaller," he said.

Tsunami warning center officials plan to assess Saturday's event sometime this week as standard procedure. Geophysicist Victor Sardina said the warning was issued largely because models showed wave energy was heading directly toward Hawaii. It was unusual, he said. 

Waves, about 12 minutes in duration, began arriving in Hawaii at about 10:30 p.m.

The highest wave recorded measured about 2.5 feet above sea level in Kahului Harbor.

Gauges initially recorded a 1.6 foot wave at Makapuu at about 10:30 p.m. Kahului Harbor  recorded a similar sized wave about 20 minutes later. Smaller waves were recorded in Waianae and Hanalei.

"The tsunami arrived about when we expected it should. It was a little smaller than we expected," Fryer said.

Hawaii Island Mayor Billy Kenoi said shortly after midnight that Waialoa Small Boat Harbor in Hilo experienced four-foot surges at intervals of every six minutes. Some boats had partially pulled of their moorings, but he said there were no reports of any vessels breaking completely free.

Kenoi said a total of about 830 people were staying at emergency shelters set up by the county at Big Island schools and parks.

Maui,County spokesman Rod Antone said as of 11 p.m. there were no reports of water damage at Kahului Harbor, unlike after the Japan quake where water went inland for several hundreds yards. He reported there were evacuations at the Maui Beach Hotel and Maui Seaside Hotel .

Maui saw none of the traffic problems experienced on Oahu. 

Fryer said the initial waves were about 12 minutes in duration and about four waves had hit by 11:15 p.m.

The tsunami waves that hit Hawaii from last year's Japan earthquake were about 20 minutes long, so they were much more powerful, Fryer said.

A typical wave ridden by a surfer is about 20 seconds in duration.

The tsunami warning was issued for Hawaii 7:14 p.m., more than two hours after a 7.7-magnitude earthquake off British Columbia. Immediately after the earthquake, the warning center had said Hawaii was not under a tsunami threat from the quake, but may see strong or unusual currents and sea-level changes.

Center officials later revised their assessment after receiving more data and issued the warning that set Hawaii scrambling. Tsunami warning sirens sounded across the state and most people in inundation zones evacuated.

The warning in Hawaii spurred residents to stock up on essentials at gas stations and grocery stores and sent tourists in beachside hotels to higher floors in their buildings. Bus service into Waikiki was cut off an hour before the first waves at 10:30 p.m., and police in downtown Honolulu shut down a Halloween block party.

State Civil Defense urged residents to move to higher ground if they were in a tsunami evacuation zone.

The center had predicted wave heights of 3 to 6 feet in some locations. 

McCreery, of the warning center, said the waves would not be as big as the waves that hit Hawaii from the March 2011 Japan earthquake. Still, a tsunami three feet in height is powerful enough to carry a fishing boat and push it inland, he said.

"It may not be very high but it's very, very broad and contains a huge amount of water," he said.

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Abercrombie issued a statewide emergency proclamation at about 9:45 p.m., giving civil defense officials the authority to protect lives.

"I want to make sure everybody understands how serious this is. We’re getting reports of people trying drive to shore areas, endangering other people trying leave shore areas. I want to make crystal clear to everybody to have all the authorities on all of the islands to take appropriate actions to control whatever needs to be done for civil defense purposes," Abercrombie said.

John Cummings, a spokesman for Oahu Civil Defense, said there were reports of "really bad" traffic in some areas, apparently as residents evacuated from shorelines. He said it appeared people who need not evacuate were also getting on roadways.

Hawaii County opened more than a dozen evacuation shelters. The busiest shelter was the West Hawaii Civic Center in Kona, which housed about 350 people. Another 70 people took shelter at Andrews Gym in Hilo, with other shelters across the island reporting they were accommodating 20 to 50 people.

Tsunami sirens in East Hawaii including the Keauakaha, Waiakea and at least portions of Puna initially failed to work in a “glitch,” but were able to fix the problem, Mayor Billy Kenoi said. The sirens were sounded successfully in the East Hawaii area at about 9:10 p.m.

“We received feed back that throughout East Hawaii from Laupahoehoe and through Keaukaha down to Paradise Park, they’re all working,” Kenoi said. He said the sirens are tested every month.

The Coast Guard led larger boats out of small boat harbors around the state to prevent major damage, said Shelly Kunishige, of Hawaii Civil Defense. Civil Air Patrol aircraft are also flew over shorelines sounding sirens to supplement outdoor sirens, Kunishige said.     

A tsunami is a series of long ocean waves that can flood coastal areas. The danger can continue for many hours after the initial wave arrives, the center said.

The quake in the Queen Charlotte Islands region occurred at 5:04 p.m. Hawaii time, the U.S. Geological Survey reported. The epicenter was 126 miles south-southwest of Prince Rupert, B.C., and 452 miles northwest of Vancouver.The quake in the Queen Charlotte Islands region occurred at 5:04 p.m. Hawaii time, the U.S. Geological Survey reported. The epicenter was 126 miles south-southwest of Prince Rupert, B.C., and 452 miles northwest of Vancouver.

A small tsunami was recorded on a deep-ocean pressure sensor, according to the West Coast/Alaska Tsunami Warning Center in Palmer, Alaska. 

The quake could be among the largest ever recorded in the Pacific Northwest, said John Vidale, director of the Pacific Northwest Seismological Network at the University of Washington. It was followed by a magnitude-5.8 aftershock, and may also be linked to a smaller quake in Montana, he said.

More aftershocks could follow.

Vidale said the quake was not on the Cascadia Subduction Zone, the giant offshore fault that scientists say will one day unleash a megaquake and tsunami similar to the double-punch that hit Japan in 2011.

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The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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false wrote:
When you see the water run out from the land, run, run, run in the other direction. Good luck. Try to climb the nearest tree and pray.
on October 27,2012 | 08:26PM
1local wrote:
if there was no warning - we would have been better off. Police caused more disruption and could have actually caused more harm and accidents with their actions. More people are called into the inundation zones when an announcement is made. The governor needs to be more prudent with his 'emergency proclamations'. Another instance of the Tsunami Center crying 'wolf'.
on October 28,2012 | 06:04AM
goodday wrote:
predicting a tsunami is like predicting the weather, but I guess with your logic it's better to leave people in harms way.
on October 28,2012 | 06:41AM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
I agree with 1local, with modifications. The problem with the tsunami warning is that it's a "one size fits all" warning that does not take into account the shapes of different harbors and shorelines. For example, Kahului Harbor always gets higher waves than other harbors.because it is on the north side of Maui and it has an artificial break water made out of rocks that narrows the opening of the harbor thus amplifying the waves. The same is true for Hilo Bay. Waikiki on the other hand has never suffered any harm from tsunamis even when the really bad tsunamis hit Hilo. To make everyone evacuate even with the so called wrap around effect is unreasonable.
on October 28,2012 | 01:44PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Sunday morning quarterbacks. State and county did a good job. There is no science to where waves or tide will surge. Better to have all evacuate from All shorelines.
on October 28,2012 | 03:46PM
RingRing wrote:
That's right Boss!!! Get them out. My concern is that many people may get complacent and not heed the warnings after a few of these. . .
on October 28,2012 | 05:46PM
RingRing wrote:
Hello, please give us some idea who you are edulocalboi so we can try to make sure you don't ever get into a position to make decisions for us. . . Seriously, you would roll the dice with thousands of lives?
on October 28,2012 | 05:43PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
@Educated I doubt if a "custom" warning is practical. For instance, did anyone expect Kona to get a bigger tsunami than Hilo Bay?
on October 28,2012 | 11:54PM
Shawn211 wrote:
In regards to "1local" comment-Please crawl back into your hole. Or stay off the drugs
on October 28,2012 | 07:22AM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
Shawn211, insults don't do any good and just makes you look bad and unreasonable to the vast majority of people.
on October 28,2012 | 01:45PM
mainland_refugee wrote:
On the contrary, there was a reason to have the warning and it was a very good one. Better to be safe than sorry. Residents here on the Island, however, need to be MORE prepared before the sirens sound. That means having emergency supplies already stocked up so that you DON"T have to go to the grocery store first before getting to safety! This unnecessary running around to get supplies when the sirens sound is what caused many of the accidents that occurred last night! You guys are all stupid for not keeping bottled water or toilet paper on hand! If those are the most important items on your list to have in an emergency, then you should have ample supplies ALWAYS stocked. Instead of getting bottled water when the sirens sound, I fill up the empty gallon-sized containers I have saved with tap water... and I have food that I can eat directly from the can or package if the power should go out.
on October 28,2012 | 07:25AM
wondermn1 wrote:
In Maile, The cops held people in the traffic even after the Govenor and the Mayor cleared the way to go home and then gave tickets and harrassed people even giving tickets for blowing their horns. These idiots held people until much later as they were trying to get bacvk tyo their families. The Motorcycle cops thought they were god and did not care if kids and parents were seperated. You would think once it was over the cops would let people go home. Honolulu' finest were like gastapo using intimidtion rather than common sense. We waited for 4 hours until after 1 A.M. to leave the roadblock. next time theyu call for evacuation GOOD LUCK
on October 28,2012 | 07:44AM
Dragonman wrote:
One should be grateful our state agencies tried to protect you. We on the island of Hawaii remember the tsunami that wiped out Laupahoehoe and Hilo in which many, many people were killed and heavy damage was incurred. Next time you in Hilo go beach front, there is a broad area fronting the beach which was once home to many people, private homes and businesses. No one builds there anymore. Soonds to me like you have personal issues with the authorities.
on October 28,2012 | 08:03AM
false wrote:
After last night's fiasco more of us will not leave or create chaos. We will choose to go on with our lives. Park our cars and walk to our destinations. People who really want to get out of the way will leave at the first announcement of an earth quake that could affect us. It makes more sense for us to choose our destiny than the chaos represented in last night's rehearsal of bedlam.
on October 28,2012 | 08:26AM
cojef wrote:
Naysayers crawl out of the woodwork, as usual. So what's new. On any issue, there are the pros and cons. Some are stupid some coherent, others just passé.
on October 28,2012 | 09:53AM
jussayin wrote:
Yup, I agree. And it should be people's right to do what they please including staying at home. Heck, there are more people dying on the road than tsunami's in Hawaii. Not trying to downplay tsunami like in Japan but like others have said, these warnings are de-sensitizing people. So if opinions here voice that they'd rather just stay at home, I can understand. People shouldn't call others name. You would want your right to decide.
on October 28,2012 | 03:09PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
@jussayin: What about the rescue personnel? Wouldn't you be putting them in jeopardy? They are good people and would not like watching people die. However, they risk getting killed or injured saving people who are too lazy or rebellious to evacuate. After watching the tsunami in Japan and Indonesia HOW can you get de-sensitized? It's always the ONE that you disregard that will get you.
on October 29,2012 | 12:01AM
Grimbold wrote:
I stayed put in my house right on Kaneohe Bay. The Bay is so protected , an earthquake has to be 1000 times stronger than the one in Canada before the bay would rise to danger levels. Anything under Richter Scale 9 and I will not leave.
on October 28,2012 | 07:47AM
Dragonman wrote:
Your choice. Not very smart if you live in evacation zone, but still your choice.
on October 28,2012 | 08:04AM
Kaluu wrote:
I'm from Hilo, and we lost friends in the last, big, pre-alert tsunamis. Some people irritated by tsunami alerts lack the experience and/or the knowledge to understand why the alerts are necessary. Small inconvenience compared with what has happened historically. Maybe some day in the future, tsunami forecasting will be better and fewer evacuations will be necessary. Right now, evacuation is a small price to pay.
on October 28,2012 | 08:44AM
aomohoa wrote:
Your ridiculous 1local. It's not the police that cause the problems it the stupid people that panic and don't follow instructions.It's all good practice. Did it ruin you Halloween party or something? FORTUNATELY, all is still well in our beautiful state.
on October 28,2012 | 09:05AM
Dbung wrote:
Seriously...you would not have rather been warned? There is nothing with 100% accuracy than can predict how big a Tsunami wave will be. If you choose to not listen it is your choice. But then don't go crying for help when you are floating out into the Pacific or on your house crying. Unwise actions like this put our emergency personnel at risk when they have to save your behind.
on October 28,2012 | 10:06AM
bobbob wrote:
disagree. if anything warning should have been earlier. They already had the warning out for at least an hour before the actual sirens went off. And the sirens should have sounded for a longer period of time.
on October 28,2012 | 12:24PM
baileygirl9631 wrote:
In the 1946 tsunami in Hilo, we didn't have the "luxury" of a warning. The only warning I got was my oldest brother telling me to RUN. Ten minutes later we were hit by the first wave, and that's another story that I won't get into. Today, you at least get a pretty good warning time to get your stuff and go. If you don't want to, don't. Just don't complain about anything if you are caught in it because they are crying "wolf". Civil defense has been telling people in this state to have emergency things put away so you don't panic buy when you're given a warning. There will be many more "problems" whenever emergency warnings are given over the radio, TV stations, etc. You just have to go with the flow and hope for the best.
on October 28,2012 | 03:35PM
joewilly wrote:
Why so much concern for toilet paper?? Just use newspaper. The star advertiser. Thats' all it's good for.
on October 28,2012 | 10:28AM
topgun wrote:
Fact: When Walmart needs to restock their shelves with toilet paper and water, they ask the state to issue a tsunami warning.
on October 27,2012 | 08:35PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Yup, that's when the locals run out to stock up on TP & bottled water. Then the next day they try to sell or return the TP & water.
on October 27,2012 | 11:09PM
tigerwarrior wrote:
For some odd reason I decided to stock up on toilet paper early this afternoon--hours before any tsunami warnings were issued. Coincidence--or am I sensitive to air pressure changes--as some animals are able to predict weather changes.
on October 27,2012 | 11:52PM
false wrote:
Yeah you must be sensitive to air pressure 3000 miles away. And your probably an Obama voter.
on October 28,2012 | 01:32AM
soundofreason wrote:
lol
on October 28,2012 | 06:49AM
PaloloValley wrote:
*ssh*l*.. must be from mainland.
on October 28,2012 | 07:18AM
Kapcity wrote:
FALSE, you are not? I guess you really are from the mainland. No wonder you are against Rail.
on October 28,2012 | 12:54PM
aomohoa wrote:
You make no sense. It shows that you have no credibility! You sound like a child name calling.
on October 28,2012 | 09:54PM
soundofreason wrote:
Or frequently, you find yourself simply full of ........
on October 28,2012 | 06:48AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Warning! Do not tell any jokes on this forum or you will be attacked by wingnuts.
on October 28,2012 | 06:56AM
PaloloValley wrote:
lol... you just might be ... gotta watch out when you 'fly!'
on October 28,2012 | 07:17AM
username_required wrote:
What's up with the link the SA provided? Try this instead for Oahu. http://www1.honolulu.gov/dem/draft_tsunami_evacuation_zone_maps_.htm
on October 27,2012 | 08:39PM
fandm wrote:
The url for the tsunami evacuation maps is not found
on October 27,2012 | 08:41PM
LeeFamily wrote:
See this link and enter your address. http://www.scd.hawaii.gov/ Or http://tsunami.csc.noaa.gov/map.html?mapname=O_AHU-AIRPORT TO WAIKIKI&submit1=Search Island Area
on October 27,2012 | 09:30PM
fandm wrote:
C'mon, Civil Defese - update CORRECTLY
on October 27,2012 | 08:41PM
FLIPTOP2 wrote:
What Civil Defense??? They suppose toi issue an Emergency Broadcast announcement along with the sirens. Per TV they CD is still "gathering" at Diamond Head. Gotta love it! Only in Hawaii!!!!!
on October 27,2012 | 08:46PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Coconut wireless.
on October 27,2012 | 11:10PM
keys4me wrote:
a phone book, ?? what the hell is that?? can t you post it online?
on October 27,2012 | 08:54PM
awahana wrote:
Lucky you live 'not oceanfront!'
on October 27,2012 | 09:03PM
pridon wrote:
hawaii news now is on cnn!
on October 27,2012 | 09:06PM
dlum003 wrote:
Here comes the Cascadia BOMB! More big quakes to come from BC down to Eureka CA
on October 27,2012 | 09:08PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Don't forget the possibility of Mauna Loa or the Hilina Slump landslide which would cause a mega tsunami which eliminate most safe areas within 16 miles inland on Oahu within 30 minutes.
on October 27,2012 | 11:25PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
How many days until Dec 21st? =0)
on October 27,2012 | 09:20PM
false wrote:
What does that mean? Watching the panic in Honolulu. We waited too long.
on October 27,2012 | 09:34PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
HPD directing traffic on Ala Wai Blvd. which created a parking lot yet when no officer was directing traffic, no problems only smooth flowing traffic.
on October 27,2012 | 11:27PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
The supposed end of the world according to the Mayan calendar. 12/21/2012
on October 29,2012 | 12:05AM
niimi wrote:
Some gas stations have pumps running out of gas as long lines prevail.
on October 27,2012 | 09:34PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Where are they going with all that gas?
on October 27,2012 | 11:29PM
BrianandKayeWalsh wrote:
No sirens in Kaaawa on windward shore yet, even though we will presumably be the first to be hit since we face the North-East. Also we have no evacuation centers within 20 miles north or south.
on October 27,2012 | 09:39PM
star08 wrote:
the police are not allowing folks to get to their boats...
on October 27,2012 | 09:57PM
FLIPTOP2 wrote:
Another total screw up by State Civil Defense. All we hear on TV is that they are still meeting at Diamond Head! Should fire the whole group - starting with the Gov who has no clue of what's going on. TV announcers still giving their own their own unprofessional opinions. Now the Mayor is suggesting people stuck in traffic coming out of inundation zones to get out of their cars and walk - HELLO!!!!
on October 27,2012 | 10:09PM
2Lolo wrote:
LOL. CNN cameras are zero-ing in on Waikiki. Gosh, isn't that in the opposite direction from where a tsunami may make impact? I'd think it were the safest place to be in.
on October 27,2012 | 10:39PM
Pareidolic wrote:
Ever heard of the "wrap around effect?". It doesn't matter what coast you're on.
on October 27,2012 | 11:08PM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
What else were they going to film...Hilo Bay in the dark?
on October 29,2012 | 12:07AM
primowarrior wrote:
Live cameras were showing a bunch of people gathered at the end of the Kapahulu groin. Even one person in a wheelchair. Other people wading in the water. Unbelieveable.
on October 27,2012 | 11:02PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Ala Wai Canal water and movement have not changed like during te Japan tsunami. What's with all the rise in water wave heights being reported?
on October 27,2012 | 11:32PM
mainland_refugee wrote:
Stupid people doing stupid things... may they all have short lives. If there had been larger waves and those people were knocked off into the water, there would have been no emergency people to save them since the City closed the coastal fire stations. There is a reason why people should just follow the instructions and just evacuate.
on October 28,2012 | 07:34AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
I wonder if those people realize now that they were left there to die.
on October 29,2012 | 12:09AM
rayhawaii wrote:
Plenty people going to come home to a home with most of their valuables missing.
on October 27,2012 | 11:04PM
Wazdat wrote:
So funny, the north shore gets waves up to 40 feet we worry about a 3 ifoot wave.
on October 28,2012 | 01:10AM
dufus wrote:
Its not a wave Wazdat, its a tidal surge.....big difference!
on October 28,2012 | 04:38AM
al_kiqaeda wrote:
@Wazdat....wow dude, you need to read more.
on October 29,2012 | 12:10AM
Highinthesierras wrote:
Lucky come Hawaii - tsunami vog rampant thievery toughest place in US to make a living worst traffic congestion in US ..........
on October 28,2012 | 06:20AM
false wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if a lot left and a lot more didn't come. Just think about the property values. And we wouldn't need that choo-choo thing. Oh. Oh. The can of worms is opened now.
on October 28,2012 | 06:28AM
soundofreason wrote:
Observation: Throughout the evening we heard speculation of what "may" be.

We heard about the first physical wave in California being about 1.5 ft once it hit their beach.

We heard about buoys in the ocean. Some transmit measurements every 15 seconds while others every 2 minutes.

Today we read about what was witnessed last night >>>"The highest wave recorded measured about 2.6 feet above sea level in Kahului Harbor.Gauges initially recorded a 1.6 foot wave at Makapuu at about 10:30 p.m. Kahului Harbor"

The ONLY news we get of WHAT'S "going" to happen, is the results WHEN it hits our Harbors.

WHAT are we supposed to do with that info.....THEN?

HOW is that USEFUL info?

THAT is what are "window of warning" system is?

HOW much is being spent on our tsunami warning system - a system that yielded NO advance notice readings to the public last night?


on October 28,2012 | 07:02AM
mulen wrote:
Re: Your last sentence above. It's due to lack of any landmass or islands directly between HI and this one earthquake. " Ocean buoys" can only give certain information. They cannot predict tsunami effects caused by land topography.
on October 28,2012 | 07:42AM
soundofreason wrote:
And the information they gave was??? NO "readings" stated.
on October 28,2012 | 08:14AM
false wrote:
You need to look at the buoy reports and see .8 ft reading for deep ocean wave trough off from expected tide height. That's how the predicted the wave height at the harbors after traveling the surface of the earth under the ocean. It hasn't made it's way through Singapore math to be a precise science. The Civil Defense people and News staff need some math and geoscience education.
on October 28,2012 | 08:32AM
Dragonman wrote:
I guess you would prefer no alert or warning. The system is not perfect but it can save lives and property if utilize and a big tsunami comes our way.
on October 28,2012 | 08:41AM
soundofreason wrote:
Focus man! NO "readings" conveyed. All the "science" of "ohh, LOOK!" as the waves washed ashore.
on October 28,2012 | 09:57AM
soundofreason wrote:
Nevermind. Somebody who WAS able to focus - DID address my concern......"Don't know if you caught KHON's (non-Hagi) coverage but Justin Cruz (KHON) & Brian Shiro (PTWC) explained there are *no* DART (Deep ocean Assessment & Reporting of Tsunami) buoys btw Queen Charlotte Islands and Hawaii relative to the path of the tsunami -- unlike the DART array between Hawaii and Asia/Australasia/Micronesia. So, there was no way to measure wave amplitude etc. data until the set arrived. [ www.ndbc.noaa.gov/dart.shtml ]
on October 28,2012 | 10:01AM
false wrote:
The reports were minuscule dimensions which few could calculate to determine wave height. 6 ft was way beyond the .2 ft and .8 ft they had at 30 minutes out. Amplitude needed to be calculated in a way that the commoner could understand. It's still about understanding math and geology.
on October 28,2012 | 01:42PM
Dragonman wrote:
What mulen says is true, there are a few buoys off the west coast but nothing else between west coast and Hawaii. No land masses, no tsunami buoys. Also remember the tsunami that hit California came sideways down the coast, the tsunami headed for Hawaii was projected to hit Hawaii head on. The readings the state got off the buoys just before the tsunami hit were just off or in the harbors mentioned. Want to wait until these bouoys register a thirty foot wave before ordering an evacuation ? Maybe give the residents a few minutes to evacuate at most. The tsunami that killed so many and destroyed property in Hilo was measured between 30 to 32 feet in height. There is a reason why the state/counties are so cautious when it comes to tsunamis.
on October 28,2012 | 08:39AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
To me the best indicator is what Pearl Harbor does. If the Navy leaves its ships in port, no biggie. If concerned the ships are sent out to sea real quick. Seems odd that the Navy is never consulted on these matters but they have all these boats and are probably paying attention, eh? Think they depend on news from Peter Carlisle and Neil Abercrombie and cronies for their info? I don't.
on October 28,2012 | 08:29AM
false wrote:
Hard to get excited over a .2 ft DART measure or .8 ft. Do the math.
on October 28,2012 | 01:43PM
Grimbold wrote:
These warning are getting ridiculous now . They go in the same venue as warning: Don't drink engine oil etc.
on October 28,2012 | 07:42AM
Dragonman wrote:
Would you prefer no warnings ? Its is a news event so don't confused when the news channels turn these events into a circus vs the state warning us to protect ourselves by evacuating. If you don't want to evacuate don't, no one can force you to evacuate, however the state/county can stop you from returning to or entering a danger zone. The difference is you don't drink engine oil because you know it will kill you, if no warnings are issued of impending tsunami you don't have choice to evacuate or not because you don't know its coming, it all the attention these events get on the news bothers you just turn of the radio or TV and go read a book.
on October 28,2012 | 08:26AM
Dbung wrote:
Yeah...if the were no warnings and you got hurt you would sue the state. Go figure!
on October 28,2012 | 10:09AM
false wrote:
So the people who were in accidents have grounds for suit since it was not a dire event?
on October 28,2012 | 01:44PM
Dbung wrote:
How did you know it wasn't? We didn't know until the danger passed. So what is your solution? Would have preferred that there were no warnings? There is no sure way to predict on how big a tsunami wave will be....
on October 28,2012 | 05:03PM
Kaluu wrote:
Okay, maybe the biggest quake ever recorded in the NW, and an aftershock was 5.8. Doesn't it leave you wondering what the main quake registered? Will have to check some Alaskan or Canadian newspaper to get the info, I guess. And, as for comment by "false," or sweem, sweem, sweem. A friend who survived a Kona slump-type tsunami, told his friends, "Sweem out! Sweem out!" They did and lived. What a story to tell your kids!
on October 28,2012 | 07:50AM
Kaluu wrote:
7.7 was measurement of quake, says Anchorage Daily News.
on October 28,2012 | 08:06AM
Kaluu wrote:
A number of Canadian and Alaskan news media are consistently reporting main quake magnitude of 7.7.
on October 28,2012 | 08:19AM
Kaluu wrote:
Interesting that follow-up comments are "sent for approval" and not posted.
on October 28,2012 | 08:20AM
false wrote:
What's with that filter?
on October 28,2012 | 08:33AM
Kaluu wrote:
Was trying to report what Canadian and Alaskan media were stating as magnitude.
on October 28,2012 | 08:21AM
livinginhawaii wrote:
The main concern I had was that either a high ranking cop or a city administrator arbitrarily decided to move the inundation line in the downtown area last night. The inundation zones in the phone book were developed after years of research and are there for a reason - to clearly show the public where you need to evacuate to when these events occur. Moving the line suggests that there is some form of hidden agenda not being disclosed to the public or ignorance of why that line is there in the first place.
on October 28,2012 | 08:27AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
In other news, Governor Abercrombie today announced that his proposed 650 foot residential tower in Kaka'ako would be an excellent place to escape tsunami waves.
on October 28,2012 | 08:27AM
Kaluu wrote:
And earthquakes? But I'm from da addah mokupuni weah sometime beeg da olai! That 7.7 off Canada was a big one. Biggest in 60 years, I hear.
on October 28,2012 | 08:33AM
Kaluu wrote:
LOL, no ho'i! Finally found a way to sneak magnitude past filter.
on October 28,2012 | 08:52AM
Kaluu wrote:
Hey, hey! They finally got the main quake magnitude in!
on October 28,2012 | 06:49PM
aomohoa wrote:
What a stupid statement, if he said that.
on October 28,2012 | 09:09AM
false wrote:
Just consider the value of all the Kaka`ako land the state transferred to OHA. Interesting.
on October 28,2012 | 01:45PM
aomohoa wrote:
I guess this was just good practice for the officials, but why do people have to be so stupid. This is what causes the problems. Who really needs to rush to the grocery store? You should have food in the house. How important is it to top off your gas tank? There were more accidents from idiots.
on October 28,2012 | 09:02AM
likewise wrote:
Totally agree. When the alarms went off we had the pets and family ready to go within 5 minutes and our vertical safe place is about a two minute drive. Within 15 minutes of hearing the siren we had enough info to know that it was going to be a much ado about not much situation. We went back to our zombie movie marathon. And BTW, the only reason to top off your gas tank and go grocery shopping is in the event of a storm that may kick off the power for a few days. A small tsunami would not kick off the power except for a few coastal areas, not the whole island. Think people, think.
on October 28,2012 | 10:18AM
Onipaa1 wrote:
Did you notice the power stations are all along the coast? Like Japan?
on October 28,2012 | 12:36PM
false wrote:
Well at least the Infectious disease laboratory at Kakaako was designed to withstand 6 foot surges.
on October 28,2012 | 01:16PM
false wrote:
Well at least the sewage treatment plants are not near the beaches, harbors, or any other shoreline.
on October 28,2012 | 01:23PM
false wrote:
What? Sewers and Sand Island and?
on October 28,2012 | 01:47PM
billelaine wrote:
All I have to say is Thank God nothing happened, we suffered a small inconvenience compared to what can happen if a major tsunami were to hit the islands. Thank you Civil Defense and all the people who kept us informed and updated.
on October 28,2012 | 09:31AM
nitpikker wrote:
maybe in cases like this (which has been the norm lately) they should start with the LOWEST alert and upgrade if a tsunami appears more likely. some people will ALWAYS go into panic mode immediately. of course people living on the shoreline should always be alert for ANY warnings.
on October 28,2012 | 10:47AM
DA_HANDSOME_CHINAMAN wrote:
I wonder if people have sense (common sense) to leave a danger area. I wonder why I don't live on coastal Florida or New Orleans? I can understand and not live in areas where people were previously "wiped out". I live in the mountains of Oahu, and understand I don't have control of earthquakes, but I can stay away from the water on these occasions (that I have control of). The drive to the beach is a short distant, only 30 minutes. So why endanger myself by living on the beach, household and all. Ahhhhh, but it's okay for "crazy" people to sit and watch for the waves to arrive, take a stroll on the beach smoking a cigeratte or even go night surfing in the tsunami. Yep, that's what they did. Ahhhhhh NO BRAINS (ZOMBIES)
on October 28,2012 | 12:31PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Let's hope they improve their models and predictions of tsunami's. Too many cry wolf events will desensitize people to their warnings. Last night the news showed a woman playing in the water in Waikiki at 10pm
on October 28,2012 | 12:57PM
false wrote:
Let's hope the public pays attention to the magnitude of earth quakes in the Ring of Fire or worse if part of an island in the chain falls into the ocean.
on October 28,2012 | 01:48PM
jussayin wrote:
Fully Agree that their models need to get better and crying wolf will definitely desensitize many people. Like most, we watched the news on TV and yup, those folks are repeating the same info over and over while we watch the nice little waves go back and forth. I'm just glad I wasn't stuck in traffic waiting on the side of the road for hours and hours. Also glad I wasn't on a plane back to HI while the airport was closed. BTW, let's not call each other names. We can decide what we want to do; it's our choice whether to evacuate or not.
on October 28,2012 | 03:53PM
Waimanalodayz1 wrote:
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on October 28,2012 | 01:32PM
false wrote:
Don't we all. That was a tragedy. Trapped and April 1st. Hard to understand the confluence of events, except when the ocean leaves, tie yourself and friends to a tree.
on October 28,2012 | 01:50PM
heluhelu wrote:
Something fishy about reports of 3-ft waves claimed by Gerard Fryer. Vancouver Sun reported quake was slip-strike, which doesn't displace water like thrust-fault. Canadian scientists also reported largest local wave (Langara Island) was only 69cm (2ft) while Alaska measured max wave surge at only 10cm (4in). Fryer on TV reminded me of Guy Hagi, i.e., someone trying to squeeze every last ounce of drama from his spotlight moment. Thank god for Justin Cruz (KHON) and Brian Shiro (USGS), who kept it real with plenty fact, zero hysterics. Vancouver Sun article -> [ www.bit.ly/TM85rp ]
on October 28,2012 | 02:22PM
false wrote:
So right. So smart. Something to remember the next time around. How much of the panic was created by the media? Need to down play the crisis to reduce the panic. People need to make their decisions early on without waiting for the government's best talent. Watching all those males collaborating was really hysterical. Man cave clubhouse.
on October 28,2012 | 05:51PM
cnr94 wrote:
There was a comment made a couple months ago about the plates and that we should see more 6.0 or higher earthquakes more often. To include something in December, for some odd reason. If you do read this please respond and I will email you so i could learn more about your theories. thanks.
on October 28,2012 | 06:46PM
808warriorfan wrote:
Thank God we were spared again.....better to be safe than sorry !!!!!
on October 28,2012 | 09:14PM
Charmy wrote:
Shouldn't we just appreciate that nothing happened instead of complaining of the inconvenience? Who do you call in emergencies? Yes, so just appreciate the effort of all the police officers that had to leave the comfort of their home to help out the community.
on October 28,2012 | 10:37PM
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