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State rejects latest offer from teachers union

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 06:05 p.m. HST, Jan 25, 2013


The state says it cannot “responsibly accept” the latest offer from the teachers union, and contends the proposal would cost taxpayers $1 billion over four years.

Schools Superintendent Kathryn Matayoshi called the offer “fiscally unrealistic.”

“It’s obvious there is more work to do to reach a resolution,” Matayoshi said, in a news release today.

The Department of Education said the proposal from the Hawaii State Teachers Association would have increased teachers’ base pay by 48 percent over four years and delayed implementation of revamped teacher evaluations that take into account student academic growth data.

In December, the state offered teachers 2 percent annual increases over the next two years, at a total additional cost of $49.2 million.

Teachers have been without a contract since July 2011, when the state imposed a “last, best and final” offer that included wage cuts and higher medical premiums.

The state and HSTA will resume negotiations Wednesday.







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Wazdat wrote:
WOW the HSTA is on CRACK... And the BOE is so BLOATED with WAY to many upper level managers, directors, assistants, etc, etc, etc. Feel sorry for the kids who WANT TO LEARN.
on January 25,2013 | 02:25PM
Kaimiloa wrote:
I think you mean the DOE, not the BOE. Also, HSTA only represents teachers and counselors that are actually in the schools, not the other roles you listed. Other than that, your post made sense.
on January 25,2013 | 03:08PM
BubbaB25 wrote:
BubbaB25 wrote: Wow, I cant believe how LOW our State and DOE will stoop to try and discredit all the hard working teachers who have taken over $20,000 in paycuts over the past 4 years. First they tried to say that teachers take 17 days of sick leave every year ( it was actually 7 ) but now they claim the teachers are asking for 48% pay raises ???? The offer is available on the HSTA website and it is 4% a year. Considering they took 13%, 8%, 5% and 5% over the last 4 years, 4% a year seems hardly excessive. The average teacher makes $50,000 a year, the 2% the State offered amounts to $26 a paycheck ( after taxes ). The 4% amounts to $52 a paycheck ( after Taxes ). Who's smoking Crack now ?? Gotta be the State and DOE !!! on January 25,2013 | 04:07PM
on January 25,2013 | 04:09PM
hawn wrote:
What happened to the old days when you didn't make enough money working the job you had you would go out and find another job that paid more? With more pay came more work, but that is what you wanted was more money so yo worked harder.
on January 25,2013 | 08:13PM
false wrote:
Let's privatize all the DOE schools and let KS fund all of us as Charters. Then who would take all those students that aren't in the top 25%? With all the private funding that is funneled into Charters and privatization and only the top 25%, we teachers wouldn't need to be evaluated. Easy peasy teaching "top dogs." 75% "challenges" can just be left to themselves in the DOE with the BOE and DOE admin to support and teach. Vote for that!
on January 25,2013 | 08:44PM
kaupena wrote:
Hey BubbaB25, I use to be a teacher and I left because it was just too stressful. I don't care if the State paid me $100,000 a year, I wouldn't go back. I don't think the public realizes how difficult it is to teach in the public school system. Keep up the good work and thank you for trying to educate our kids.
on January 25,2013 | 10:40PM
RingRing wrote:
If all you do is read the State propaganda ad take it as gospel, then you sir or madam must be the one smoking the crack. . . The State is inappropriately including the cost to repay the 5% that teachers have sacrificed, and that is not a raise. The State is also including the cost of substitute teachers for certain teacher planning days, even though HSTA does not represent substitute teachers. Essentially, the State's claim is just posturing with these ridiculous numbers so as not to loose too much face. . . When the state required sacrifice over the past four years, teachers gave up more than their fair share to the tune of about $180 million in pay and benefits each year. Meanwhile, police, fire, nurses, UH professors and adult corrections officers had zero cuts. Sound equitable?
on January 25,2013 | 05:38PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
And teachers are the ones who took a pay cut?
on January 25,2013 | 06:44PM
false wrote:
And the legislature voted itself a raise. And who else?
on January 26,2013 | 03:33AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Now I support the teachers but 48% over four years? Lets get real here. Twelve per cent a year is ridiculous.
on January 25,2013 | 02:26PM
BubbaB25 wrote:
The HSTA offer was 4% a year. Thats the fact and thats the reality. Is 4% ridiculous after taking paycuts of 13%, 8%, 5% and 5% for the past 4 years ? They also failed to mention they want to start our 2013 pay at the same pay we made in 2009, then add 2% a year , now thats ridiculous !
on January 25,2013 | 04:15PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Now, I have not read the actual proposal so I cannot give a real assessment of the contract. 4% may seem to be not much but when you calculate it over the workforce, it adds up. Keep in mind that the biggest cost to our tax dollars is, you guessed right, teachers. Given that most of our tax dollars is used to pay teachers this 4% is a whole lot of money which would probably mean a raise in taxes. Where do you think the money will come from? It will come out of our pockets. And in this economy many of us are already stretched. Further, many of us are sending our children to private schools because we are fed up with public school teachers and their union (which in actuality is themselves). So I already have a big expense to pay for my children's education while paying more for the education that my children are not getting from the state teachers. Now, I don't mean any disrespect. I am just expressing my opinion on this matter that sits very close to me.
on January 25,2013 | 06:43PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Go work somewhere else if you think you can. If not suck it up and move on.
on January 25,2013 | 07:00PM
danielpecoraro wrote:
Many teachers do leave to work somewhere else; a huge reason why education is so "jacked-up."
on January 25,2013 | 09:48PM
false wrote:
Yeah, they go home after one or two years and we start training and praying all over again. And don't say TFA again! There has to be another translation besides Teach for America, because that they can't do.
on January 26,2013 | 03:35AM
loquaciousone wrote:
I'd like to hear the HSTA side because if you believe the DOE the HSTA has just lost it's marbles. No one in their right mind would propose 12% a year even if the mantra is to start high and settle or less.
on January 25,2013 | 02:35PM
islandsun wrote:
More like the babaysitters union to me. Especially when you consider what many parents are sending to school and dumping on them.
on January 25,2013 | 03:02PM
TLehel wrote:
The teachers union has been smoking the ganja. "Wait. Dude wait, just listen. What if we like *giggles* asked for 1billion over the next 4 years? You think they'd flip? Naw dude! What if it works?!? Imma do it. *takes a puff* Friday. . . .we fly the highest." Then again the state and BOE are both on crack. I mean they steal from Peter to say they'll pay Paul, and then they buy meth. The children. THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN. It's no wonder our state has such low standards and benchmarks.
on January 25,2013 | 03:12PM
Bdpapa wrote:
This has nothing to do with the children. If your company was negotiating a new contract, and you didn't get hardly anything. You may think about the people you serve for a while. But in the end, it's all about you and your ability to live, at least modestly.
on January 25,2013 | 03:28PM
TLehel wrote:
In actuality it is about the children. It trickles down you see. Teachers get crap from the BOE and state, then the children get the back end of their remorse. Poorly paid teachers=poorly educated students. It's always about the students. Who do you think school is for?
on January 25,2013 | 04:08PM
jakwa wrote:
So, if you give the teachers what they're asking for then the children will be SMARTER...I don't think so! Never happen in the past and our kids are next to last.
on January 25,2013 | 08:43PM
lucky181 wrote:
How does a 4% raise for the next four years total 48%?
on January 25,2013 | 03:20PM
Invested wrote:
That's What I say...it's just Matayoshi with her spin. I don't know how you can possibly turn 4% into 48% ...she is hoping to get the public to think of teachers as greedy....and by the comments here it seems to be working. people should take comments from the state with a grain of salt.
on January 25,2013 | 03:51PM
lifeisgood wrote:
That has to be a typo--48%???
on January 25,2013 | 04:37PM
Bdpapa wrote:
that's funny, 48% over 4 years. They actually deserve it but in this economy it's not realistic.
on January 25,2013 | 03:26PM
BubbaB25 wrote:
Uuuhhhh , not sure where the STATE got 48% but the HSTA offer was 4% a year. Matayoshi must have missed the math class that day as that totals 16% .
on January 25,2013 | 04:11PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
but then again, could have been a typo by the star ad staff.
on January 25,2013 | 07:59PM
false wrote:
Although they can't privatize this thing it just shows that some government services should be. State workers with their unions will bleed this state dry.
on January 25,2013 | 03:27PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
I totally agree with you on this.
on January 25,2013 | 06:33PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
yup, even George Meany, AFL-CIO, thought the idea absurd. gotta get rid of public sector unions.
on January 25,2013 | 08:05PM
jakwa wrote:
Hit the nail on the head! UNIONS = ME ME ME! Get real! If they could privatize a lot of the government services, we would save a lot of money and there would be ACCOUNTABILITY!
on January 25,2013 | 08:45PM
oxtail01 wrote:
ME ME ME is not only the unions, Wall Street and big bank fiasco prove that. The problem is the pervasive GREED among all segments of the American population - from the welfare class who game the system all the way up to the super rich who also game the system. America is a nation in decline because of this and it's not going to change for the better anytime soon because the greed is an accepted norm!
on January 25,2013 | 09:01PM
oxtail01 wrote:
They already have! When you take into account the unfunded liabilities for the pension and medical benefits for the retirees and rising number of future retirees, there is no way the State can cover the costs (of course unless we ALL get screwed over). I'm a proud Democrat, and as such, I realize that things need to change in order to continue to provide meaningful pay and benefits to workers without raping all of us!
on January 25,2013 | 08:57PM
Invested wrote:
what is not said in this article is that it is a 4% raise that HSTA is asking for. I don't know how the DOE gets 48% but that's what they do ....spin their numbers for the media and public. If the original offer from the state is $49.2 for 2% and the teachers are asking for a 4% raise, the new cost would be nearly a billion dollars...so how does that work out to 48%. I'm not even sure if the teachers will get the 5% that was taken away for the past 4 years. Wish there was a comment from the union or teachers not just the state.
on January 25,2013 | 03:46PM
singbe wrote:
Teachers in Hawaii are the lowest paid in the nation, for both comfort level and cost of living. In other districts with a high cost of living they pay teachers 60-90% better than Hawaii. Teachers in Hawaii teach in hot, crumbling rooms with supplies they have to buy out of their own pocket. So why don't they just quit? They do. Hawaii has the highest teacher turnover rate in the nation with 56% teachers leaving every five years. If you want to improve education you need to start by hiring and retaining high quality teachers.
on January 25,2013 | 03:57PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Wrong. Where did you get your data from? According to Teacher Portal, average teacher salary in Hawaii ranks 15th in the nation. Starting teacher salary ranks 14th in the nation.
on January 25,2013 | 06:32PM
singbe wrote:
Your data is not including cost of living. Use teacher portal and look up comfort level. Also look at http://voices.yahoo.com/state-education-rankings-public-teacher-salaries-6445492.html?cat=4 Also your data is wrong, because you make the biggest fallacy, you are comparing state to state. Hawaii is the only statewide school district, so for comparison purposes we are a state and a district. If you compare teacher salaries in Hawaii to Illinois it look comparable. Illinois is a big state in some counties you can buy a house for $50,000. In Chicago where the cost of living is higher, the average teacher makes 60-90% better than Hawaii teachers.
on January 25,2013 | 07:18PM
BubbaB25 wrote:
Wow, I cant believe how LOW our State and DOE will stoop to try and discredit all the hard working teachers who have taken over $20,000 in paycuts over the past 4 years. First they tried to say that teachers take 17 days of sick leave every year ( it was actually 7 ) but now they claim the teachers are asking for 48% pay raises ???? The offer is available on the HSTA website and it is 4% a year. Considering they took 13%, 8%, 5% and 5% over the last 4 years, 4% a year seems hardly excessive. The average teacher makes $50,000 a year, the 2% the State offered amounts to $26 a paycheck ( after taxes ). The 4% amounts to $52 a paycheck ( after Taxes ). Who's smoking Crack now ?? Gotta be the State and DOE !!!
on January 25,2013 | 04:07PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
That's all fine and dandy but how many have had raises that amount to that?
on January 25,2013 | 06:27PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
20% pay cuts??? Really? that must mean that your making only $30,000 now? No? that's what I thought. Stop trying to spin the taxpayers.
on January 25,2013 | 07:07PM
TLehel wrote:
Apparently my comment needed to be sent for approval. I guess I struck at the fragile heart of the Star-Advertiser and BOE.
on January 25,2013 | 04:09PM
lifeisgood wrote:
People please listen--DO not get all your information from the SA. They are sooo biased!
on January 25,2013 | 04:39PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Who is NOT?
on January 25,2013 | 06:25PM
jabong wrote:
Who has received a 48% raise in the past four years? This does not seem realistic .
on January 25,2013 | 04:39PM
soundofreason wrote:
"The Department of Education said the proposal from the Hawaii State Teachers Association would have increased teachers’ base pay by 48 percent over four years and delayed implementation of revamped teacher evaluations that take into account student academic growth data.">>>Obviously the State has no sense of humor. I mean, they were kidding............right?
on January 25,2013 | 05:47PM
holumuahawaii wrote:
What's the problem? $1,050,000,000.00 divided by 13,000 HSTA members in BU # 05, is only $80,769.00 each. And that means that the raisees are only $20,192.00 each, per year. Our teachers are very deserving. We should all be happy to pay it. If we have to take a billion dollars the other social service agencies, so be it!
on January 25,2013 | 05:48PM
soundofreason wrote:
I was laughing yesterday when the headline was about "the BOE" agreeing with HSTA's deal. Partners in crime agreeing with each other. A NON event.
on January 25,2013 | 05:51PM
soundofreason wrote:
"The Department of Education said the proposal from the Hawaii State Teachers Association would have increased teachers’ base pay by 48 percent over four years and delayed implementation of revamped teacher evaluations that take into account student academic growth data.">> That's a "win win" deal ! That is, if both parties at the table are HSTA's people.
on January 25,2013 | 05:52PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Fire all the teachers and start all over. Legislate new laws that make them non-unionized. That seems to be the way we will be rid of the scourge called HSTA. It is outrageous that they make such a demand knowing full well that we cannot afford it. I don't even have kids in public school and I will have to pay more in taxes. I send my kids to private school because I am fed up with public school teachers. All they care about is themselves.
on January 25,2013 | 06:22PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Hahahahaha.... 48% increase in pay and no accountability for teachers. Will Okabe must be losing his mind.... Teachers, take back your union before this craziness explodes in your faces and YOU suffer the consquences of a stupid union.
on January 25,2013 | 06:57PM
nblomberg wrote:
one side says teachers aren't paid enough or treated with respect. the other side says teachers are overpaid, and don't have to do their jobs because nothing ever happens to them. the answer seems clear to me. if teachers are overpaid, and allowed to do an "easy job" with no chance of being fired, why can't UH graduate enough people to do it? why are so many mainland teachers coming and going at my school? that alone seems to answer the question. we never have a doctor, lawyer, business leader, or private school teacher shortage. they must get something out of their jobs, pay, and college degrees that public school teachers don't. the other argument is that we should stop complaining and get a new job. you might be right, but how does that help the public schools? Replace us with high school graduates, or people with community college certificates? The only people who should make this argument are people who have enough money to send their children to private schools, and who don't give a rip about people who rely on public schools (ordinary incomes, children with special needs, inability to travel and commute, etc.). If I am a "bad" teacher or "greedy" and need to be fired, ok, go for it. But what will you replace me with? Giving less gets you less every single time.
on January 25,2013 | 07:14PM
Steve96785 wrote:
Maybe Matayoshi can blame her stupidity on the poor education she received at Hilo High. HSTA's proposal calls for 4% per year for 4 years, after restoration of the most recent 5% pay cuts. Let's call it a full 21% over the current salary. Since the raises are multiplied like earned interest, the total difference is just over 22% over the next 4 years plus restoration of 10% of the medical plan costs. Bargaining realistically might have brought the total increase down to 20% or less. Outright lies to the public will just anger teachers to the point that we won't be willing to accept her authority in any regard. She is rapidly losing any respect from the school level workers.
on January 25,2013 | 08:08PM
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