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State, teachers reach tentative pact that raises pay

By Michael Tsai

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LAST UPDATED: 09:26 p.m. HST, Mar 24, 2013



The state and the Hawaii State Teachers Association have reached a tentative agreement on a new four-year pact that provides for pay increases, restoration of previous medical coverage premium percentages, and HSTA input on teaching evaluation policies.

“This contract establishes a solid foundation for our teachers and students,” said Gov. Neil Abercrombie. “Bargaining was a challenging task, but Hawaii has a tradition of working together so these challenges can be resolved. As a result, the negotiating teams kept at it and we have a contract that is right and fair and just.”

The proposed contract now goes to the HSTA membership for review. The HSTA has scheduled a ratification vote for April 17.

Under the terms of the new agreement, the state will restore the 5 percent pay cut teachers took when the state imposed the current “last, best and final” contract in 2011. The restoration, plus a 3 percent step increase, would take effect in the first year of the contract; those already at the top of the HSTA pay scale would receive a $1,500 bonus.

Teachers would then receive a 3.2 percent pay increase in the second year, another 3 percent step increase in the third year (with another $1,500 bonus for top-scale employees) and a 3.2 percent increase in the final year.

Abercrombie said pay increases and other provisions of the contract are possible in part because of improved fiscal conditions.

“We have righted the fiscal ship of this state,” he said.







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tiki886 wrote:
Friggin Governor and Democrats in government and public unions Skrewing taxpayers over and under every freakin chance they get!!!!
on March 24,2013 | 08:27PM
tiki886 wrote:
5% plus 3.5% = 8.50% plus $22 BILLION DOLLARS in unfunded pensions and health care totaling $30 BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!

GODAMMMMMITTTTTT!!!!!!


on March 24,2013 | 08:31PM
5xcalibir2 wrote:
it's a lot more than 30 billion...once the "favored nation" clause kicks in for the other unions....and their members receive similar pay raises.
on March 24,2013 | 08:43PM
bobbob wrote:
from what i understand, there is no favored nation clause. That clause is only if the hsta settles first, basically maintaining the status quo until the other unions settle, at which time, they can piggy back on the other unions' negotiated benefits.
on March 24,2013 | 11:26PM
bender wrote:
Nope, the agreement with HGEA (who settled first) is that if any other union does better than their agreement, then they get the same as the union who did better. Don't kow if the other public worker unions managed to get that in their contracts but I suspect they would follow HGEA's model unless that found a sweeter deal.
on March 25,2013 | 05:45AM
SteveToo wrote:
hey don't blame the teacher on the unfunded pension deal. The State ripped off their earned interest over many years. But the rest is problematic.
on March 24,2013 | 10:23PM
ISCREAM wrote:
Now we see why the Gov...wanted a min wage increase...a backdoor tax increase on the middle class...to pay for public worker raises...
on March 24,2013 | 08:35PM
soundofreason wrote:
And THAT'S about the truth of it my friend.
on March 24,2013 | 08:51PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
This is with an eye to 2014, plain as we need water.
on March 24,2013 | 09:06PM
false wrote:
Now if I can just restart the passion to do this job. It's still tokenism after learning the other players, governor, legislature, judges were getting their 37% while the rest of us went without. Hmmm. So much for politics and enslavement. Apathetic. What's the cure? Kids and the promise to keep with them.
on March 24,2013 | 09:14PM
bender wrote:
Emslavement? I certainly hope that's not the message you convey in the classroom.
on March 25,2013 | 05:46AM
false wrote:
No, I'm pure optimism. Kids are a source of energy that makes it all worth the sacrifices. Their challenging and yet angelic spark makes my world. On break, and the mind is centered on how to reach this concept with them, how to engage in the action of owning the understanding. Kids are everything, even when they were in their 20s at the cc. They have always been a remarkable responsibility to inspire thinking. I always engineers, architects, digital design. Never mention teaching except that the other careers make so much more.
on March 25,2013 | 06:29AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
He will never get the support of the teachers, or any other union. The governorship is Hanabusa's, if she wants it.
on March 24,2013 | 09:28PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
This book entitled "The Fred Factor", a NY Times best seller, covered how passion can greatly lead to success in one's public life (work) and private life (home). Do we have evidence that Mister Five Foot Two has any passion? Hey i just noticed false, up there, independent of me, mention passion also.
on March 24,2013 | 09:52PM
localguy wrote:
Hanababooza as governor? Oh pulheeze, from one dysfunctional babooze to another, just what we need. If only their parents had used birth control during those seconds of pleasure, how much better our lives would be.
on March 24,2013 | 10:11PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
on March 24,2013 | 10:43PM
Imagen wrote:
:)
on March 25,2013 | 02:03PM
pgkemp wrote:
please.................noooooooooo
on March 25,2013 | 06:19AM
false wrote:
He won't get another vote from us. Nor his team from any acronym involved.
on March 25,2013 | 06:30AM
tiki886 wrote:
In and of itself, the idea that raising the minimum wage somehow benefits the working class is a form of the classic broken window fallacy.

If you aren’t familiar, the broken window fallacy is the idea that breaking a shop window with a brick produces economic productivity, as the shop owner is forced to spend money on a new window. Surely the shop owner does so or they place the rest of their business at risk. We see, in the short run, the benefit to the glass repairman, but we do not see the damage to the overall economy. The money the shop owner has spent to remedy the damage caused by the brick can now no longer be used to expand their business or purchase products for their own consumption from others. There is also the chance that the brick has done so much damage and/or the price of repair is so high, that the shop owner is forced to cut back the number of his employees, or go out of business altogether. Even if the owner can afford the new window, there is no economic growth, as instead of having a functional shop window and the things or investments the shop owner had planned to make, the owner simply has a replacement window and is devoid of the equivalent capital.

When it comes to the minimum wage, the government is the brick.


on March 25,2013 | 10:02AM
ISCREAM wrote:
http://www.dumpstarbucks.com/
on March 24,2013 | 09:51PM
ISCREAM wrote:
Next will be a pay raise for legislators and the Governor...as they pat themselves on the back.
on March 24,2013 | 08:27PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
I am a janitor and i need my 4% raise, please help me.
on March 24,2013 | 09:10PM
ISCREAM wrote:
Now we see why the Governor wanted to raise the minimum wage...a backdoor tax increase on the middle class to pay more for education.
on March 24,2013 | 08:31PM
ISCREAM wrote:
If the SA just wants to censor comments why not say so...send this for approval.
on March 24,2013 | 08:32PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
I wonder how that guy got away with G D it ?
on March 24,2013 | 09:08PM
ISCREAM wrote:
Misspelled....
on March 24,2013 | 09:46PM
localguy wrote:
ISCREAM - The clueless software they use do find posts to censor is easily beaten. Always copy your post before you submit. If flagged, look for any "adverse wording" and just change it a little bit. Works every time.
on March 24,2013 | 10:12PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Ok thanks
on March 24,2013 | 10:44PM
KltLkr wrote:
Hope drug testing and raises based on performance is in the contract. Union please let us fire the bad teachers so that we can pay the good ones what they deserve.
on March 24,2013 | 08:36PM
noheawilli wrote:
I teach and I agree
on March 24,2013 | 08:43PM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
Instead of blaming teachers, how about blaming the welfare system for wasted money.
on March 24,2013 | 08:39PM
tiki886 wrote:
You mean the HSTA, UHPA, HGEA and every friggin government union monopoly?!!!!!!!!!!!!
on March 24,2013 | 08:42PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Unions make Hawaii a much better place, although some would like to return to the business/Republican dominated days of territorial government.
on March 24,2013 | 09:30PM
localguy wrote:
BluesBreaker - Wrong answer. Unions brought down the Detroit automakers, directly responsible for their almost going out of business. Too many wasteful union demands they knew were costly, didn't care. Unions are gradually fading away, a dinosaur in today's high tech world. Well, there is always the Jurassic Nei where unions hold us back from matching the mainland states. Same union workers who can't repair roads right, can't process state tax refunds correctly, on and on and on.
on March 24,2013 | 10:15PM
Imagen wrote:
So true!
on March 25,2013 | 02:06PM
bender wrote:
Unions have served their purpose but we are at a point where they are breaking the backs of government. Please don't mix thos private sector unions with the public worker unions. The public workers have plenty of protections so there's no need for them to continue to be unioninzed.
on March 25,2013 | 05:50AM
false wrote:
Hawaii is not the continent. Unions are a product of the conflict with paternalism of the plantation era. Can't have it both ways. Make "nice nice" to get more out of the workers for less return. The hours it takes to do a teaching job is more than 40 hours and there is no time off. The brain is always worrying and processing and then doing the data analysis to drive the next instruction for 60 to 150 students. Even with the union we didn't fare as well as the governor and his friends with their 37%.
on March 25,2013 | 06:36AM
5xcalibir2 wrote:
all unions are now celebrating this contract...because if it is superior to what they previously agreed to, the "favored nation" clause will kick in and their members will get at least the same pay raises as the teachers....however, it remains to be seen whether the evaluations portion of the contract is adhered to.
on March 24,2013 | 08:40PM
IAmSane wrote:
I could be wrong but this might have no impact on the favored nation clause because the deal is for the 2013-2017 contract.
on March 24,2013 | 09:17PM
5xcalibir2 wrote:
you are wrong...trust me i know what i'm talking about.
on March 24,2013 | 09:22PM
BubbaB25 wrote:
No you dont ! Favored Nation clause goes to the Union that comes to an agreement FIRST. If any Union gets a better offer after them they get that offer. So the only Union who can get the Favored Nation clause is the HSTA.
on March 24,2013 | 09:31PM
Steve96785 wrote:
HGEA already has the favored nation clause agreement with the Gov. They were the first ones to accept the 5% cut a few years ago.
on March 24,2013 | 09:47PM
5xcalibir2 wrote:
they're actually the last union to settle...in a manner of speaking...since they have been working without a contract for 2 yrs....so when the other union settled....and the teachers didn't,...the favored nation clause becomes valid...but it doesn't look like the teachers got a better deal on second look, so it probably won't be pursued.
on March 24,2013 | 09:52PM
BubbaB25 wrote:
No, HSTA is the first to settle for the 2013-2015 contract period. The 2011-2013 period is the LBFO period and it was the same as the HGEA had for that period. You also have to remember that the State doesnt have to give the Favored Nation clause ( its usually negotiated ) and it is great for the state because it allows them to tell the other Unions " we cant give you more or we will have to give the favored Nation Union more too " It helps the State cap the other Unions , pretty smart Huh ?
on March 24,2013 | 10:19PM
bobbob wrote:
actually, you are. they're the first to settle in the new contract period.
on March 24,2013 | 11:29PM
bobbob wrote:
You do understand that was for the previous contract right? This is going forward, there is no favored nation clause.
on March 24,2013 | 11:28PM
holumuahawaii wrote:
Wow! Thank you Governor! Thank you HSTA! It took a long time, but this contract will be seen across the country as a huge reform document. Something for others to emulate. While Chicago has to close schools and lay off teachers, Hawaii is able to keep every teacher working, and build a better long term contract.
on March 24,2013 | 08:44PM
localguy wrote:
holumuahawaii - Yes, new contract, same ole same ole. Our students rate lower than mainland schools. Have you seen how well Finland's schools do? Totally world class at far less cost than our bloated bureaucracy. http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/ Looks like we are bringing up the rear as always.
on March 24,2013 | 10:22PM
soundofreason wrote:
So what did the teachers have to give ? All take again. Still got all those vacation and paid sick days too right? Gave NOTHING.
on March 24,2013 | 08:53PM
false wrote:
$6000 for the essentials to change the way we teach and what we teach with, for teachers and students. 16 bicycles for passing the HSA, a hundred to each of "my" students who makes 400 pts or more on the HSA. The raise? goes right back to the kids. Thursday we have an "auction" using points earned for academic behavior. They bid on unknown products and are thrilled with winning mechanical pencils, pencils, erasers, composition books, dry erase markers or maybe a gift card or? The joy of learning is all in the relationship. Teaching is inspiring to learn but it starts with being believable, reciprocity of respect for the classroom and the students. Thanks for the help.
on March 24,2013 | 09:22PM
ISCREAM wrote:
I call...bullpuckey....
on March 24,2013 | 09:48PM
false wrote:
The students who weren't manageable are manageable and learning. Can't tell me what it takes to motivate students to learn. It takes a lot of magic that isn't in a book or a tablet to make the environment of learning as engaging the animation in Oz. That why you novices haven't an inkling about teaching and the dynamics it requires. Schools that aren't making HSA don't have the right magic in materials and instructional design, there in lies the failure of poor graduation statistics and persistence. Longer days requires more magic. No respect from the public, then it's hard to make that magic.
on March 25,2013 | 06:51AM
5xcalibir2 wrote:
Thank you.
on March 24,2013 | 09:53PM
Steve96785 wrote:
Total compliance with Act 52 means longer school days state wide for grades 6-12 starting in July 2014. Two years later, it will jump again by adding more days. Secondary schools go from about 920 academic hours per year to 1180 by the end of this contract. Teachers will put in about 25% more time to end up with about 25% more pay. No pay raise at all, just more work time.
on March 24,2013 | 09:51PM
false wrote:
Thanks, Steve for making it obvious that it was a "zero" increase.
on March 25,2013 | 06:52AM
LanaUlulani wrote:


A 3 % or 3.2% pay increase does not even keep up with inflation. Worse we have hyper inflation!


on March 24,2013 | 08:55PM
tiki886 wrote:
Plus %5 restored pay cuts which means they didn't experience ANY pay cuts over the years; PLUS $ 30 BILLION DOLLARS IN DEFERRED COMPENSATION IN THE FORM OF PENSION AND HEALTH CARE FOR LIFE FOR SPOUSE AND DEPENDANTS!!!!!!! GODAMMMM FREAKIN CROOOOKSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on March 24,2013 | 09:06PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Lol u must have special privileges like the ones protecting with Aloha.
on March 24,2013 | 09:11PM
IAmSane wrote:
LOUD NOISES EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on March 24,2013 | 09:18PM
Steve96785 wrote:
The 5% pay cuts are not being restored for the past four years, and neither are the lost wages due to furloughs over that time. Restoration of the 5% just brings us back to our starting point of 2009, which wasn't very good to begin with.
on March 24,2013 | 09:54PM
BubbaB25 wrote:
The 5% restoration is the restoration of the 7 DLWOP / Furlough days. Its not a pay raise, youre just working 7 more days at the same rate . The 2009 pay scale at which the teachers will start at was good in 2009, but remember , its now 2013 ! 2009 wages plus 3% still puts you back when you factor in 12% inflation during that time .
on March 24,2013 | 10:25PM
bobbob wrote:
Exactly. The raise is pathetic, but reasonable given our challenging economic times.
on March 24,2013 | 11:33PM
false wrote:
Yup. Zero. We got essentially, zero.
on March 25,2013 | 06:52AM
localguy wrote:
Not to worry. The billions in pension and other shortfalls will never be made up. There is no money to do it. All a house of cards to come crashing down in the coming years.
on March 24,2013 | 10:23PM
bobbob wrote:
what are you talking about? They aren't restoring 5% of the pay for the previous 4 years. Seems like some people like to just find any excuse to rant about anything. A 3% yearly raise is maintaining the status quo, at best. Inflation likely runs much higher than 3% despite the govt's fudged figures.
on March 24,2013 | 11:31PM
ISCREAM wrote:
What is also missing from the SA column is the step increase that every teacher will be getting...
on March 24,2013 | 09:49PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Pau Hana
on March 24,2013 | 10:46PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Good! It's about time, but better late than never. HSTA and Abercrombie prolonged this settlement unnecessarily, but the majority of the blame has to go to the governor and his high-handed manner of dealing with the teachers.
on March 24,2013 | 09:27PM
localguy wrote:
BluesBreaker - Wrong again as usual. Blame falls on the unions, Will is not the leader to get things done, a follower who has been lost since day one. Unions are directly responsible for their own fiasco. Typical for Nei unions, they just don't get it.
on March 24,2013 | 10:25PM
Mediocrates wrote:
Sounds fair. I'm shocked!
on March 24,2013 | 09:30PM
pandadaddy wrote:
And along with these benefit increases will come better quality education because all this time, they've been holding back.
on March 24,2013 | 09:33PM
ISCREAM wrote:
I laughed at this one...good you ought to start your own comedy hour....
on March 24,2013 | 09:50PM
IAmSane wrote:
It's getting late. I'd rather go to sleep.
on March 24,2013 | 10:32PM
djmlim wrote:
Everyone should get pay raises to help keep up with the cost of living. But, not every teacher deserves a pay raise. There are some that are not worthy of pay raises. Rewarding those that are riding the coat-tails of the worthy teachers so is unfair. In the private sector pay raises are earned not just given to employees. There are teachers that have been teaching for years that really shouldn't be teaching as well as some administrators running ou schools. The DOE should not be exempt either. Some of those that have been promoted to the district level that occasionally visit classrooms and carry there clip boards and appear to be taking notes that nothing ever becomes of these obsevations is a joke. The whole educational system needs to be audited. Monies being spent foolishly, over-paid and under worked DOE employees. The list goes on and on. Unfortunately in order to overhaul the whole system a whole lot of emplployees would need to be fired, statring from the top. We need more accountability of what's happening. I do believe that raises are overdue as well as benefits but not for everyone.
on March 24,2013 | 09:38PM
Steve96785 wrote:
I agree, but the new evaluation system is included in this agreement. Now, if I believed that anyone in the current administration can actually conduct statistically based, sound and transparent evaluations of teachers across all disciplines, I would feel like there would be a real opportunity to get rid of the deadwood and reward excellent teachers.
on March 24,2013 | 09:56PM
Uncleart66 wrote:
Detroit , we are next. No money to pay for it
on March 24,2013 | 10:36PM
agumakiki wrote:
About time the teachers get one break but where's the money coming from? TAXPAYERS AGAIN!!
on March 24,2013 | 11:48PM
kaiakea wrote:
How many of you naysayers out there have actually been in the DOE? Very few I'll bet. For those if you who speak from ignorance, I challenge you to try the public school classroom, many of you will be running home crying inside of a week.
on March 25,2013 | 03:29AM
false wrote:
They wouldn't last a day. It took us months to find a teacher for a class. 3 came and went, one in a day before the 4th one stayed. She doesn't cry anymore. We are having fun teaching and the kids are finally settled on getting their job done. It takes a team to turn a tide on the swell youthful exuberance for being the ones in charge.
on March 25,2013 | 06:57AM
toomuchpilikia wrote:
And that's the way it was in 3-25-2013....
on March 25,2013 | 04:33AM
Kaleo744 wrote:
Hawaii be prepared too pay high taxes,that's how this will be paid andthe cycle continues. Cost of living will be spiraling out of control...the legislature get raises,the teachers gets their raises did we miss anyone else?WE are screwed people of hawaii,better start thinking of getting out of paradise. Can't afford to live here anymore.
on March 25,2013 | 06:27AM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
So we get the financial ship in a bit of order and what does Neil do? He blows the extra cash on this ridiculous contract!!!! He could have used it to get our debt and deficit spending under some small semblence of control, or......drumroll......give some of OUR money back to US, but no, like any good liberal politician, he can't help but spend every dollar he comes across. And the poor pidgeons of this state will continue to vote these same tax and spend democrats right back into office come the next election.
on March 25,2013 | 07:27AM
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