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Honolulu third-worst for traffic congestion

By Erika Engle

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LAST UPDATED: 02:31 a.m. HST, Apr 05, 2013


Navigation device maker TomTom found Honolulu to be the third-most traffic-congested city in North America, in its 2012 Congestion Index, released Thursday.

Los Angeles tops the list with travel times 33 percent longer than when traffic is flowing freely. Vancouver, Canada, is No. 2 with a 32 percent congestion rate, and Honolulu is third with a 30 percent congestion rate.

San Francisco placed fourth at 29 percent and Seattle, Wash., rounded out the top five at 26 percent.

The rest of the top 10 cities, Toronto, Canada, San Jose, Calif., Wash. D.C., New Orleans, La. and Montreal, Canada, all had congestion rates of 25 percent, according to TomTom’s research.

http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/congestionindex/







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mcc wrote:
And the stupid train will not help make it better, it will be worse!
on April 4,2013 | 07:56AM
Larry01 wrote:
Enough already. Show me the research that says rail will directly make congestion worse and I'll believe you. Again, that it will be worse AS A RESULT OF RAIL.
on April 4,2013 | 08:26AM
oxtail01 wrote:
Explain how it will make it worse. I can understand people who complain about rail based on cost but to actually say it will make traffic worse is a new one for me!
on April 4,2013 | 09:01AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Rail will not make it worse. But the growth in population means that traffic will continue to increase and adding rail will not be enough to make traffic less. Traffic in 2017 will be worse than today. But it would 3% more without rail. See, that's the key issue - after $5.3 billion taken out of wallets as taxes, the benefit of rail is very little. Rail will not reduce traffic from present levels. Rail is all about development, social engineering, redistribution of wealth and insider baseball; it is not about solving traffic congestion.
on April 4,2013 | 10:05AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Maneki, that's what I've been saying forever. Continued, unabated growth will kill this island. Not only will traffic be affected but crime and homelessness will rise accordingly. We desperately need a conscionable growth plan because we don't have the land mass or water resources to cope with uncontrolled growth. The rail project is closely tied to proposed housing projects in Central and Leeward Oahu.
on April 4,2013 | 01:05PM
kainalu wrote:
If you live out on the Westside, brace yourself. It's about to get worse for those that are heading East in the afternoon when the PM zipper-lane is deployed . Not only will those living out West be faced with the "3rd worst" traffic nationally in the morning, it's going to be a repeat every work-day afternoon. Don't think so? Try to head East this Sunday, when two-lanes will be blocked off for construction, as it has been several Sundays previously. If you tried to travel East on those Sundays, then you know - traffic was a mess! Those are the same 2-lanes that will be used for the PM zipper-lane, only it will extend a lot further than just the Pearl City/Waipahu via-duct.
on April 4,2013 | 02:33PM
inverse wrote:
In Hawaii, unlike Vancouver, Denver, Portland, etc. etc ; barring an accident, it is the SCHOOL COMMUTING crowd that determines whether weekday traffic on Oahu is reasonable or gridlock. This has been confirmed over the years with local morning news drive times when comparing when UH, other universities and private school is in session or out. Public schools have some impact but are minor as most students attend the school where they live UNLIKE UH, Punahou, Iolani, Maryknoll, St Louis, MId Pacific, St Franics, etc. that are all concentrated in a small region of Manoa and Makiki area. For these commuters City Express! buses (BEFORE Yoshi and Calisle cut them out/reduced these routes) and private vehicles will take only about 40minutes to the absolute worst case of about 80 minutes.
on April 4,2013 | 10:26AM
pridon wrote:
And the train goes to none of those locations.
on April 5,2013 | 05:13AM
Wazdat wrote:
the train is only for a very SMALL % of residents, NOT WORTH THE COST. BUILD MORE ROADS or a BRIDGE, USE some COMMON SENSE
on April 4,2013 | 10:32AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Done deal. The city of Honolulu is moving ahead. The island of Oahu is moving ahead. The obstructionist like Slater and galut Cayetano lost. Right now NO is trying to balance his checkbook. The people voted Caldwell,landslide,get the MESSAGE?
on April 4,2013 | 01:31PM
kauai wrote:
Hope you have a large balance in your checkbook, 'cuz you're gonna' need it when the inevitable tax and fee increases arrive to help pay for your beloved rail. If you have kids and grandkids, then I hope you're prepared to explain the tax and fee increases to them for this rail project. Get THAT message?
on April 4,2013 | 03:43PM
Kuniarr wrote:
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on April 4,2013 | 09:32PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Happy to pay my share of city taxes. My great grandkids and grandkids will utilize it. No gas tax,insurance,vehicle tax, tires, repairs etc.etc....they could buy a house with the savings. Maybe Hoopili? Nice. They can stay in Hawaii instead of moving to the mainland.
on April 4,2013 | 10:22PM
lynnh wrote:
Your so called landslide would have been a lot closer, or even a loss, had there not been voter suppression via lack of ballots, all of which were in heavy favored Cayetano voting districts. Accident my behind. Intentional and criminal, and nothing is being done about it. Of course not, the strangle hold the democrats have on this state gives them the power of unrestricted corruption.
on April 4,2013 | 10:36PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
100% pay.

6% ride.


on April 4,2013 | 03:06PM
Buckykat wrote:
The train is only to get permission to develop the leeward side and then build high-population complexes around the train route. So you dramatically shift the population to the leeward side even more than it is already, using the excuse that "let them ride train."
on April 4,2013 | 11:43AM
1local wrote:
rail is sucking the resources that could be allocated to maintaining the broken infrastructure and streamlining the existing traffic flow...
on April 4,2013 | 02:25PM
thevisitor967 wrote:
Yes, please explain how rail will make it worse. Unlike the mainland, there's no side streets on Oahu to go from Point A to Point B fast if the freeway is congested. The closest side street we have is probably Kam Hwy which can get just as bad as the freeway. IMO rail will be a welcomed alternative to the traffic congestion.
on April 4,2013 | 09:19AM
Allenk wrote:
Rail was touted to reduce traffic congestion. By the time it is built there will be more cars on the road. It will not significantly reduce traffic. I don't have the exact figures, but it is something miniscule compared to the cash outlay.
on April 4,2013 | 09:29AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I believe the difference is under 3%. Not much bang for $5.3 billion.
on April 4,2013 | 10:01AM
kauai wrote:
Interestingly, if you followed the history of the pronouncements about rail, when Hanneman first proposed it, he said it would reduce traffic congestion. Then about 6 months or so later, he said that rail will NOT reduce traffic congestion. Then sometime later, other powers-that-be claimed that rail will reduce traffic congestion. What gives? Oh, and concurrently with that issue, the half-percent GET surtax was at first falling way behind projections. Then the city revised their projections downward and viola', 1/2 % surtax now gets very close to projections (amazing!). And let's not forget about that multimillion dollar line of credit for rail "contingency" funding (which they're already tapping). All this for a projected, maybe, 3% traffic congestion reduction? As poster Maneki stated: not much bang for $5.3 billion (if we're lucky, it won't end up at $10 billion). The "bang" sounds like a blank to me....
on April 4,2013 | 03:59PM
Buckykat wrote:
If rail is the excuse to build more and more housing around it, you get more and more people with cars who discover the rail doesn't go where they need it to go, there's not enough parking or too much traffic around the stations, so you might as well drive. Voila. More congestion.
on April 4,2013 | 11:50AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Like !!!!
on April 4,2013 | 01:33PM
FrankieT wrote:
Yes it will! :-)
on April 5,2013 | 05:59AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Our response to this news: take $5.3 billion of taxes and build an old-fashioned elevated heavy rail system from a housing development to a shopping center (making sure it misses population centers like Waikiki, Ewa Beach, UH Manoa and Salt Lake) that will not significantly reduce traffic. Madness.
on April 4,2013 | 08:33AM
oxtail01 wrote:
Do you actually drive in on H-1 from the west side? Where do you think all the inrease in population has been?
on April 4,2013 | 09:04AM
juscasting wrote:
I do everyday! Only real traffic when there are accidents or stalls like this morning...3 in the same spot.
on April 4,2013 | 09:14AM
thevisitor967 wrote:
Yesterday, I drove from Ala Moana to Mililani. I left at 3:30 p.m. It took me 1 1/2 hours to drive home. In other words, it took me 90 minutes to drive 20 miles. That's ridiculous.
on April 4,2013 | 09:23AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
And after the rail is built, it will take as long or longer. The City and HART say that. Traffic will get worse. That's all you get for $5.3 billion in taxes.
on April 4,2013 | 10:00AM
badcard36 wrote:
Do you have the figures if we do nothing? Like how long will it take with no rail or no alternative solutions? What are the alternatives besides building more roads and expanding current mass transit infrastructure? Just curious what the other options are.
on April 4,2013 | 10:09AM
sayer wrote:
It is bad - but I was in NYC recently and it took over an hour to go 10 miles. How is NYC not on the list?
on April 4,2013 | 10:02AM
pridon wrote:
You chose to live Mililani, so don' complain. I live by Ala Moana Park. Commute to work downtown 8 minutes. Walk 30 minutes. Walk to bus stop and take bus 20 minutes. Ala Moan shooping cneter 5 minute walk. Costco 12 minutes by car.
on April 5,2013 | 05:34AM
Wazdat wrote:
YUP, COMMON SENSE it NOT than common these dayz
on April 4,2013 | 10:33AM
sayer wrote:
I don't know about this survey - New York City is not even on it! Was visiting recently and it took 1 hour to go 10 miles.
on April 4,2013 | 10:01AM
Wazdat wrote:
YUP this list is a JOKE
on April 4,2013 | 10:34AM
inverse wrote:
I will explain this to you. In Hawaii, unlike Vancouver, Denver, Portland, etc. etc ; barring an accident, it is the SCHOOL COMMUTING crowd that determines whether weekday traffic on Oahu is reasonable or gridlock. This has been confirmed over the years with local morning news drive times when comparing when UH, other universities and private school is in session or out. Public schools have some impact but are minor as most students attend the school where they live UNLIKE UH, Punahou, Iolani, Maryknoll, St Louis, MId Pacific, St Franics, etc. that are all concentrated in a small region of Manoa and Makiki area. For these commuters City Express! buses (BEFORE Yoshi and Carlisle cut them out/reduced these routes) and private vehicles will take only about 40minutes to the absolute worst case of about 80 minutes. For these commuters to use the train, they will need to take wait to catch a bus to the Hoopili train station, fight everyone to get on the train all at the same time, endure a 45 minutes train ride the train STOPS every mile for 20 stops, get off at Ala Moana shopping center and wait to take another connecting bus to their final destination in Manoa, Makiki, etc. ..
on April 4,2013 | 10:21AM
inverse wrote:
…For these commuters to use the train, they will need to take wait to catch a bus to the Hoopili train station, fight everyone to get on the train all at the same time, endure a 45 minutes train ride the train STOPS every mile for 20 stops, get off at Ala Moana shopping center and wait to take another connecting bus to their final destination in Manoa, Makiki, etc. Such a commute would easily DOUBLE their current commute time and hence they will NEVER use the train. However Yoshi attempted to FORCE these commuters to use a train in the future by reducing/eliminating those who cannot afford a private vehicle and rely on public transportation as the County Express! bus route...
on April 4,2013 | 10:28AM
Mahalo wrote:
WHOOT WHOOT we won 3rd place!!!
on April 4,2013 | 10:23AM
imua67 wrote:
And we're not even in North America!
on April 4,2013 | 10:38AM
inverse wrote:
... Therefore even with the train running, these KEY school commuters will NOT use the train and therefore highway/road traffic will NOT be reduced. The elevated train will also have to reduce current in town lanes, which can only make traffic WORSE in town. If you haven't noticed, when city work crews block off just one or two lanes on Ward Ave, Beretania, Keeamoku, Punahou, Kapiolani, etc it backs up street traffic BIGTIME. The elevated rail will PERMANENTLY eliminate a lane or two of traffic along its route and that will create the same effect as what its happening now with in town roadwork.
on April 4,2013 | 10:31AM
Allenk wrote:
Surprise! Mom and Dad drop junior off at school, and they still have to head off to work. Did the folks at HART ever think about this?
on April 4,2013 | 12:03PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Inverse,the rail will not take up existing lanes in town. Stop the fox fear mongering.
on April 4,2013 | 01:38PM
Wazdat wrote:
with the WORST ROADS in the country and worst than some THIRD world countries. SUCH SHAME
on April 4,2013 | 10:31AM
Anonymous wrote:
"...third-most traffic-congested city in North America" Hmm... Last tiime I looked at a map, Honolulu was not in North America.
on April 4,2013 | 10:34AM
kauai wrote:
Yep, you're right, we're not in North America. We're actually in "Oceania" (Pacific basin area). So looking at it from that perspective, then we zoom to #1 in traffic congestion compared to the rest of the region. That's an intuitive guess, of course, but I don't think that Samoa, Fiji, Tahiti, et. al. can top our traffic congestion. Jus' sayin'.
on April 4,2013 | 04:10PM
loquaciousone wrote:
How can we have traffic? Didn't Kirk promise us that once the Feds pony up the $1.55 billion, traffic messes would cease to exist in Hawaii. By the way where is the $1.55 billion.
on April 4,2013 | 10:59AM
kauai wrote:
I believe Sen Brian Schatz said that this year's installment of that part of that $1.55 billion is being held/deferred because of the sequester. Schatz said that the Feds will make up for it in the coming year(s). Uh, huh, --snicker--
on April 4,2013 | 04:15PM
Eagle156 wrote:
Has anyone actually met someone who plans to ride the train to nowhere. Bankruptcy just around the corner for this rail madness.
on April 4,2013 | 11:05AM
engineersoldier wrote:
It should probably be worst because it is congested even when it's flowing 'freely'. A better way to rank might be average travel time at times people are likely to travel during the day.
on April 4,2013 | 11:34AM
inverse wrote:
If they did that then they cannot use the argument on why rail is so "desperately" needed on Oahu. As mentioned WORST case commute times, barring a major traffic accident, during the peak traffic from Kapolei to Honolulu is around 80 minutes. Given the distances one has to commute in San Francisco, Denver, Vancouver, Los Angeles, their worst case travel time is in the many HOURS. In that case Hawaii would NOT rank as the worst travel times in the United States. All these studies do is measure the speed of vehicles on H1 town, near the Middle Street merge.
on April 4,2013 | 11:46AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The Middle Street merge, or choke point has not changed since the 60s. The Likelike on ramp should be shut down. It was meant for airport traffic and Pearl Harbor work traffic. Right now if your in Kalihi, you can use surface streets such as Kalihi Street, School or Middle st. to get to Likelike. If your at the airport, Mapunapuna, etc.,use the newer H3.
on April 4,2013 | 01:49PM
serious wrote:
Golly, I hate to be #3--if we had the Jone Act on our roads we'd be way up there, just like our cost of living.
on April 4,2013 | 01:11PM
false wrote:
Legislation is needed to keep cars off the roads. Enact laws that will require drivers to deposit a fee with the government if they want to own a vehicle, like they do in Singapore, of something like 25,000USD per vehicle. Staggered work hours would help with traffic Better control of local traffic lights would help, such as the one at Punahou Street and the H-1 East exit. A lot more green during Rush Hour would help drain the traffic there. Keep seniors off the roads as their slower reactions cause unnecessary delay.
on April 4,2013 | 02:26PM
false wrote:
All of the above seem to be less expensive solutions rather than DaTrain.
on April 4,2013 | 02:27PM
control wrote:
The State and City have been allowing non-essential workers flex time which is essentially staggered work hours since the Fasi days. So who else do you propose to stagger their hours? Bad enough with schools all on different conflicting schedules . As a result, we now have a rush hour that lasts from 5 am until 9 am.
on April 4,2013 | 02:54PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I propose that HART relocate to Kapolei. I know it would be tough to give up the $2 million/year plush offices on Alakea Street, the indoor discounted and free parking, the luxurious surroundings but....if you are trying to work on traffic solutions maybe you start by not adding to downtown traffic. Just a thought.
on April 4,2013 | 03:10PM
pridon wrote:
1 car per household, no car tax. 2nd car $25K, 3rd car $50K. Spend rail money to relocate UH Manoa to Central Oahu.
on April 5,2013 | 05:42AM
localguy wrote:
false - Are you willing to lead by example and write a $25k check to the city? I thought not. Keep seniors off the road? Really? At what age do you define senior? You do understand people age differently. What were you thinking? More rookie posters...............
on April 5,2013 | 07:13AM
bumby2day wrote:
I'm a truck driver and I drive all day long from Waianae, Kaneohe and University of Hawaii, That lady for the State Transportation always say that she is sorry about the traffic, she don't drive all day long like us.
on April 4,2013 | 04:53PM
oahuresident wrote:
Discussions with the anti-rail nuts is similar to discussions with the GMO nuts. They do not need facts. They know what they know. Why even start.
on April 4,2013 | 05:29PM
localguy wrote:
Los Angeles may have worse traffic due to the larger population but the city recently took another step to make driving easier, synching all traffic lights. Something DoT bureaucrats haven't got a clue how to do. http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/futureoftech/los-angeles-syncs-all-traffic-lights-speed-commute-1C9174757 LA is taking serious steps to deal with traffic issues while we still use 50s tech drive over light sensors. Driving in San Diego recently I was pleased to see many traffic light controlled left turns turn green as soon as I drove in the lane. No other traffic coming, sensors knew this, adjust the lights. In the Nei you have to wait for the lights to cycle before you can turn. Clearly the bureaucrats at the traffic management center do nothing but watch monitors, laugh at the traffic while drinking coffee. We need to get serious to fix our problems. Oh, remember, LA also developed computer apps to directly manage intersection lights in real time, willing to sell them to us at a very good price. Proven tech. No need for bureaucrats to study for ten years. Yet we do nothing but whine and cry. This is what our bureaucrats do for us, nothing but take pay for no work. Give us a break.
on April 5,2013 | 04:44AM
gtracer66 wrote:
So if you count only U.S. cities, Honolulu is #2. Vancouver is in another country. Or did TomTom not know that? If they are counting world wide, where is Tokyo or Saigon or Moscow?
on April 5,2013 | 06:56AM
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