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Council OKs smoking ban at city parks, bus stops

By Star-Advertiser staff

LAST UPDATED: 02:05 p.m. HST, Jul 10, 2013

<br />CTY - An unidentified man smokes a cigarette near the ocean on Wednesday, Dec. 5, 2012 at Waikiki Beach.  The smoking ban already has passed out of its first committee by a 4-1 vote, and appears poised to pass Wednesday, Dec. 5, in the second of three required votes.  The bill, whose primary concern is cigarette butt litter and the effects of second-hand smoke, would ban smoking at Kapiolani Park and its surrounding areas, Kuhio Beach Park, Duke Kahanamoku Beach Park, the beach portion of Ala Moana Park and Sandy Beach Park.(Jamm Aquino/The Honolulu Star-Advertiser).<br />

Smoking will be banned at all city parks, beaches and bus stops under bills passed by the Honolulu City Council this morning.

Mayor Kirk Caldwell has stated he supports the intent of both bills and is expected to sign them.

The bans will take effect Jan. 1 to allow for public education and time for the city to put up signs about the bans.

A majority of the testifiers of Bill 25, which bans smoking at Oahu’s 293 city-owned parks and beaches, supported the bill although there was a smattering of people against it.

Supporters said the bill would help the environment and make public recreational spaces healthier for beach and park-users. But opponents said the bill goes too far and encroaches on people’s rights.

Similar arguments were made from both sides regarding Bill 28, banning smoking at the city’s roughly 4,000 bus stops.

Both bills were approved unanimously.

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loquaciousone wrote:
Since AGAIN there is no mechanism to enforce these no smoking bans, I would like to propose a solution. All bus riders will be allowed to carry a baseball bat and anytime someone lights up at a bus stop, we all charge the lolo and ground and pound ..... his cigarette I mean.....not his head......ok maybe a little tap or two.
on July 10,2013 | 12:46PM
8082062424 wrote:
even to enforce it at the bus stop will be hard. a bus stop most time is a sign and a bench or 2 just five feet from that it free to smoke
on July 10,2013 | 01:37PM
allie wrote:
agree..part of a definition of a bad bill is that it cannot be enforced.
on July 10,2013 | 03:03PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Next law will be to ban the sale of Pork and Beans? Passing gas?
on July 10,2013 | 05:15PM
pakeheat wrote:
Especially in the elevator
on July 10,2013 | 08:58PM
aomohoa wrote:
So you are saying that Oahu is the only place that can't enforce something like this? That's ridiculous. Many cities have bans like this and people do comply. Not all smokers are inconsiderate.
on July 10,2013 | 07:33PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
911 operator .... quick, send the Police ... there's a guy smoking a cigarette at the bus stop. Hurry and get there before be finishes his cigarette, he's blowing second hand smoke everywhere.
on July 10,2013 | 09:09PM
8082062424 wrote:
look good on paper but it will not be enforced . drinking on the beach and at parks are not legal but it done everyday. smokers can go in the water and on the side walk to smoke. it going to make the haters more mad
on July 10,2013 | 12:48PM
allie wrote:
on July 10,2013 | 03:03PM
tiwtsfm wrote:
I hope this also bans the vapor producing e-cigs
on July 10,2013 | 12:51PM
8082062424 wrote:
They can not b an them no proof they harmful
on July 10,2013 | 01:37PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Methane is very harmful to the atmosphere. So, you know what's banned next. . . .
on July 10,2013 | 01:59PM
8082062424 wrote:
things is it has to be harmful to humans. because a lot of things are harmful to the atmosphere. and are not banned just give it time before this law is challenged in court . you keep taking any groups rights away they will fight back at some point
on July 10,2013 | 02:15PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Methane is flammable. It's the wave of the future. Methane Ecigs...
on July 10,2013 | 02:15PM
tiwtsfm wrote:
No proof they are not.
on July 10,2013 | 04:55PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
I wonder about the enforcement.

I'm pretty sure breaking into cars is also banned at City parks, yet that happens daily. I hope enforcing this easy to enforce, and cash generating law won't distract the HPD from catching the thieves.

Imagine a tourist getting a ticket for smoking and coming back to find his window smashed out and all their stuff gone.

on July 10,2013 | 01:19PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Yea... HPD got nothing better to do than chase down smoker's and give them tickets. The whole thing is quite comical, a waste of time and taxpayer resources.
on July 10,2013 | 09:13PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Yet another law that is unenforceable.
on July 10,2013 | 01:36PM
CriticalReader wrote:
They should ban dogs and drinking at City parks too. And, nothing produces more "smoke" than a charcoal grill or gas grill with the noxious mixture of shoyu, brown sugar and animal fat of various kinds. BAN IT ALL!
on July 10,2013 | 01:57PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Should also ban doggy style?
on July 10,2013 | 05:16PM
pakeheat wrote:
On humans? No way
on July 10,2013 | 09:00PM
aomohoa wrote:
I think they should band inconsiderate people. Can't do that but I am happy that I won't have to worry about my dog or a child eating a cig butt. By the way dogs are more likeable that many people. It's the people that don't pic up after that are the problem, not the dogs.
on July 10,2013 | 07:38PM
Slow wrote:
I am unclear about the "unenforcaeble" comments. Every law is, to a large degree "unenforceable." To me it is very likely that cigarette smoking at bus stops, parks and beaches will be greatly reduced. Other than nicotine addicts, does anyone think this is not good? And please do not bring up smokers rights. There is no such thing.
on July 10,2013 | 02:39PM
Maili2 wrote:
This will be a hard one to enforce and most of the smokers out there probably know that. Kinda like J walking. Cops just turn a blind eye most of the time, they got bigger fish to fry.
on July 10,2013 | 04:44PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I applaud the Council. Just letting people know it is illegal to smoke there will stop 80% of the problem. The rest may not be enforceable but so what...an 80% improvement is enough. Most visitors will respect the law and the travel industry will spread the word.
on July 10,2013 | 05:07PM
mikethenovice wrote:
More and more laws are mandated everyday except to curb those noisy two wheeled vehicles.
on July 10,2013 | 05:14PM
olos73 wrote:
Now the Hawaii Tourism Authority has to print up brochures telling tourists, especially from foreign countries where this ban covers. Have to make inbound flight videos of this ban. If they get a citation today, but are leaving tomorrow, who is going to make sure the City gets the money?
on July 10,2013 | 07:09PM
aomohoa wrote:
Dogs aren't a problem people are. The same kind of people who are rude with smoking don't pic up after there dog.
on July 10,2013 | 07:39PM
mijlive wrote:
okay-so they ban smoking-purchase of cigarettes slows down/drops off- revenue from taxes on this purchase slows down/drops off-where will they make up the shortfall? enhanced means of REVENUE ENHANCEMENT from other sources? WAKE UP AND PAY ATTENTION- YOUR RIGHTS ARE SLOWLY BEING EATEN AWAY. what is next? when they ban or tax the he!! out of something YOU enjoy it will probably be too late. someday soon you will wake up and realize just how many freedoms our elected oppressors have taken away from you for your own good.
on July 10,2013 | 09:29PM
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