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Judge blasts city for ending rail route at Ala Moana, not UH

By Marcel Honoré

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LAST UPDATED: 01:05 p.m. HST, Jul 11, 2013

<br /><br />Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation<br />Scaling down the 21 stations along Hono­lulu's 20-mile rail line, as well as standardizing features and fixtures, will save about $100 million, the city's rail chief said Tuesday. This model of the West Loch station was unveiled at the news conference where the savings in design and building costs were announced.<br />

A federal judge wrote a scathing letter this week criticizing the direction of Honolulu’s rail project and saying rail officials have failed to follow a federal court order.

Chief U.S. District Judge Susan Oki Mollway contends that the route transit officials chose, ending at Ala Moana Center, fails to meet the project’s original expressed purpose because it doesn’t serve the University of Hawaii’s Manoa campus, and the thousands of students, professors and employees who gather there.

“The project doesn’t go anywhere near the UH Manoa campus. Instead, it goes to the Ala Moana Shopping Center!” Mollway wrote in a July 8 letter to Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation Director Dan Grabauskas and Ted Matley, a Federal Transit Administration official. 

Mollway’s letter responds to a conclusion from HART and the FTA last month that tunneling under Beretania Street would be "feasible" but still too costly an alternative compared with running an elevated track further makai, along Halekauwila Street.  

The conclusion came under court order in an ongoing federal lawsuit by rail opponents trying to stop the project.

However, Mollway urges rail officials to “recognize that the Beretania Tunnel Alternative” is actually the more feasible approach and that they haven’t adequately considered it.

The rail officials’ draft supplemental environmental impact statement on the matter last month contended that it would cost nearly $1 billion more and add two years of construction to tunnel under Beretania to UH Manoa.  Nonetheless, Mollway argues that might still be the best approach if the rail system is ever going to make it to the university campus.

“There could be a major cost-saving in implementing the Beretania Tunnel Alternative now rather than pursuing a two-stage development initial construction of the rail route to the Ala Moana Shopping Center and later extension to UH Manoa,” she writes.

“In fact, given the economy, sequestration, the loss of Senator (Daniel) Inouyes’ influence, and other intervening factors, it is realistic to question whether the extension to UH Manoa will ever be built.”

Mollway, along with other judges in the U.S. District Court of Hawaii, recused themselves from presiding over the federal environmental lawsuit. The case was subsequently assigned to Judge A. Wallace Tashima in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

The 2011 recusal order noted that the Hawaii court "could be construed as having an interest in the outcome of litigation."

Most of the judges wrote a letter in 2008 opposing the rail route's proximity to the courthouse, saying that it posed a security risk. The letter was addressed to the Federal Transit Administration.

In addition to Mollway, judges at the time who signed the letter were Helen Gillmor, Michael Seabright, Samuel King, Alan Kay, Barry Kurren, Leslie Kobayashi and Kevin Chang. Judge David Ezra recused himself from signing the letter.




Judge Susan Oki Mollway's letter to HART and federal transit officials




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gsc wrote:
STOP THIS PROJECT !!!
on July 11,2013 | 12:30PM
Pocho wrote:
Judge Susan Oki Mollway makes plenny sense. When UH school sessions starts up the traffic it causes is really bad. Who's going shopping @ Ala Moana 6am in the morning?
on July 11,2013 | 01:56PM
OldDiver wrote:
The lady is nuts. Is she now going to direct the City or State where to build roads? She should have run for Mayor or Governor if she wanted a say in the matter.
on July 11,2013 | 02:06PM
beachbum11 wrote:
OD has all the answers. None.
on July 11,2013 | 02:35PM
OldDiver wrote:
Another thoughtful and insightful comment.
on July 11,2013 | 02:54PM
serious wrote:
She makes perfect sense!!! UH is where the people are headed.
on July 11,2013 | 03:18PM
OldDiver wrote:
The original purpose is of no consequence. The city went through thousands of hours of public input and adjusted routes and designs according to that input. It is not for a judge to trump that input. If she wanted to be heard she should have testified at the public hearings.
on July 11,2013 | 05:59PM
Pocho wrote:
OD, you're a smart man. But have no common Sense. I know a lot of smart people like that.
on July 11,2013 | 06:10PM
OldDiver wrote:
How so Pocho?
on July 11,2013 | 06:59PM
Pocho wrote:
The original purpose was and still is to get TheRail to UH. Now if "it's" not making it to UH, then why build TheRail? If it's still supposedly to go to UH, then why dig the tunnel now which would cost less than building it at a later date at a higher costs? And that's if ever they get around and wanting to continue "it" to UH. Common Sense stuff right there, don't you think.
on July 11,2013 | 07:26PM
OldDiver wrote:
Every rail system in the world is built in segments. It was the decision of the city to build that segment after the Kapolei to Ala Moana segment is completed. It is not within the Judges responsibilities to determine which segment is built first.
on July 11,2013 | 07:48PM
aomohoa wrote:
You mean like yours:)
on July 11,2013 | 03:22PM
localguy wrote:
Nothing better from the peanut gallery. Unless given something to post by either HART or Grabby Boy, OD has no idea what to post.
on July 11,2013 | 07:43PM
droid wrote:
OD is a paid blogger the city seems to think has some influence with his laughable apologist commentary. OD cannot trump the accuracy or importance of what Judge Mollway has to say, so he can only whine that she should have no say in the matter.
on July 12,2013 | 12:47AM
Shh wrote:
OD is just upset because the project is being trumped. The whole intension of building the ugly train was to easy traffic and help students get to UH. The darn plans not even going to UH now. It goes to Ala Moana and that in no way helps UH students. As a result, I don't see why they should even build the train at all now. Too much money wasted if they go on with the new plans to Ala Moana. TRASH THE TRAIN PROJECT!
on July 12,2013 | 08:00AM
Skyler wrote:
More thoughtful and insightful than, "The lady is nuts." doncha think? Mo ron.
on July 11,2013 | 09:58PM
Bumby wrote:
Idi ot is worse than mo ran. Anyway the reason to build the rail from Kapolei to Waipahu was to get the thing started for those who wanted to fill their pockets. Path of least resistance...........The best route was to have it going from the Kalihi to Kaimuki area only passing through the most dense areas of Honolulu, Ala Moana, Waikiki, UH Area etc......... That would have made the inner city population the primary users thus the commuters will have easier access coming into the Honolulu area. In addition if parking were built at the two ends of Kalihi and Kaimuki with reasonable cost to park with safety, many would park there to get into the inner city using the rail. Think about it parking your car on the outskirts and making a trip to downtown, next to Ala Moana and/or Waikiki etc.
on July 11,2013 | 11:53PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Mollway refers to the original purpose of the project, which states the end destination as UH Manoa. The choo choo does not go to UH Manoa. Can you read or what Old Diver?
on July 11,2013 | 03:06PM
Shh wrote:
Exactly! TRASH THE TRAIN PROJECT! I don't think they will plan to ever have it end at UH once the first phase is built. The UH destination should have been built in the first phase to begin with.
on July 12,2013 | 08:07AM
aomohoa wrote:
Of course you would say that since you are pro rail and won't listen to reason.
on July 11,2013 | 03:22PM
aomohoa wrote:
If someone disagrees with you are are like a name calling child and very disrespectful.
on July 11,2013 | 03:39PM
beachbum11 wrote:
Mr. Od would you say what you just wrote straight to her face or do you as usual hide behind this blog with a big
on July 11,2013 | 04:01PM
localguy wrote:
OD is in good company, he and the nutty lady are the same. OD is overpaid blogger at $1 a day. Sad....
on July 11,2013 | 07:42PM
wondermn1 wrote:
Old Dribble is the one who is 'NUTS' he thinks he is a smart a- but is a loser
on July 11,2013 | 08:26PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Why go to Ala Moana S.C.? We have just about every city bus that goes to, or passes that location.
on July 11,2013 | 02:15PM
aaronavilla wrote:
you just answered your own question, bro!
on July 11,2013 | 07:40PM
Shh wrote:
Exactly! It was supposed to go to UH and help the students and easy the traffic.
on July 12,2013 | 08:08AM
jojobear wrote:
Say Pocho how will the state pay for the rail to go to U.H. just not thinking clearly are you.
on July 11,2013 | 03:07PM
Pocho wrote:
you tell me, lol
on July 11,2013 | 05:53PM
Pocho wrote:
and with your question to me, you're actually saying TheRail ain't going to UH cause there's no money. lol, isn't Judge Oki Mollway kinda eluding to that thinking? And that jojobear, is where the problem lies, not going to UH or not having the money to go there and that's the original plan for TheRail.
on July 11,2013 | 06:22PM
Anonymous wrote:
Traffic is bad now (3:30pm on H1 Ewa bound), and the bus is also stuck in it.
on July 11,2013 | 05:08PM
Bumby wrote:
Rail will make vehicle commuter save how many minutes? Do you have the answer? If it saves 30 minutes one way than I say build that monstrasity. Looking at the rail in the LA area and seeing how many people ride it and how many are in their vehicles is not even close. People in vehicles is the clear choice. What makes people think it will be a wonderful train. It will never be like the trains in Japan or the subway under New York City.
on July 11,2013 | 11:59PM
miyviews wrote:
Traffic was bad now (3pm H1 Ewa bound), and the bus was also stuck in it.
on July 11,2013 | 05:09PM
Skyler wrote:
Sorry, now we know who you are (were) lol.
on July 11,2013 | 10:00PM
CouncilmanBerg wrote:
Saddest part- is that after the bait and switch, elected officials won't even let us vote on it again after many now know they have been had/duped. http://www.kitv.com/news/politics/Voters-won-t-get-chance-to-abolish-HART/-/8905242/13040772/-/wlgx5yz/-/index.html
on July 11,2013 | 02:18PM
kiragirl wrote:
Have to change the thinking of our council members in order for that to happen
on July 11,2013 | 03:22PM
tiki886 wrote:
There was another bait and switch between Mufi and Romy Cachola when they switch the rail line from Salt Lake to the Airport. The rail is supposed to get workers to town not tourists to Waikiki so they can enjoy their vacation 20 minutes sooner.

The rail doesn't even go to Waikiki and Salt Lake has the densest population in Honolulu.


on July 11,2013 | 05:09PM
Skyler wrote:
Yeah and you know who said he said no such thing... lying sOs.
on July 11,2013 | 10:01PM
Shh wrote:
Exactly! It was forced on the people and doesn't even end where it was supposed to end - at UH! They are waisting and will continue to waste a lot of the people's money and should be stopped immediately!
on July 12,2013 | 08:12AM
goodday wrote:
nah, she wants to raise the cost
on July 11,2013 | 02:46PM
aomohoa wrote:
Ridiculous comment! Or maybe you are joking?
on July 11,2013 | 03:23PM
frontman wrote:
Hawaii law makers are just following its favorite son, obama, say and propose one thing and then do what it wants to do. They have learned well in 5 years of a dictatorship.
on July 11,2013 | 03:12PM
Bumby wrote:
Illinois one of the most financially strapped state where Obama was in politics.
on July 12,2013 | 12:02AM
Mediocrates wrote:
no, make it go to UH and Waikiki!
on July 11,2013 | 10:23PM
808warriorfan wrote:
FINALLY A JUDGE W/ BRAINS AND COMMON SENSE.....The rail needs to end at UH to ease the parking and traffic problems
on July 11,2013 | 12:31PM
allie wrote:
agree..I said 2 years ago that not having the UH included made the rail irrelevant. Overpriced, out of date rail for a long-suffering people.
on July 11,2013 | 01:23PM
aomohoa wrote:
You love to take credit for every wise comment. What a joke. LOL
on July 11,2013 | 03:24PM
Shh wrote:
I'm serious!
on July 12,2013 | 08:14AM
turbolink wrote:
Baker Foxtrot Oscar
on July 11,2013 | 03:48PM
Skyler wrote:
Heh. I had to look that up. I know you didn't mean beat frequency oscillator, lol.
on July 11,2013 | 10:03PM
Shh wrote:
No one cares what you say Allie. You think you know everything and all you do is run your trap!
on July 12,2013 | 08:14AM
jojobear wrote:
Brains and common sense, where will we get the funds to continue the rail to U.H. we are talking around 500 to a billion dollars to go to U.H. say warrior fan are you willing to fork over that much money to have the rail go there.
on July 11,2013 | 03:12PM
rto wrote:
But that is where the rail was justified going to.....UH. If it's not going to UH, why build it to go to Ala Moana? Not to mention the odds of rail being maintained well (see roads).
on July 11,2013 | 03:35PM
Kealii wrote:
Talk about calling the kettle black! Jojobear, stop pretending you know what brains and common sense are because you haven't a clue. The rail was always meant to go to U.H. and the monies allocated to this project was supposed to include this destination. Get it now? It's not an "after the fact" thing. There isn't supposed to be an additional cost to get this rail built to U.H. So guess what? It'll probably never make it to U.H. because by then, this rail project is going to leave this state in the poor house.
on July 11,2013 | 11:37PM
Shh wrote:
Exactly on the nose Kealii! If it gets built no ending at UH during the first phase then it will never end up being built! IT IS A WASTE OF THE PEOPLE's MONEY!
on July 12,2013 | 08:17AM
Imagen wrote:
Just like the Nimitz flyover...in the plans but never built.
on July 12,2013 | 09:35AM
aomohoa wrote:
Exactly!!!!
on July 11,2013 | 03:24PM
GooglyMoogly wrote:
Did the rest of this story get cut off?
on July 11,2013 | 12:31PM
turbolink wrote:
Just the part about where to get the extra funding.
on July 11,2013 | 12:46PM
false wrote:
haha
on July 11,2013 | 12:52PM
kiragirl wrote:
So what happens now?
on July 11,2013 | 12:32PM
inlanikai wrote:
Nothing. And if push comes to shove, HART will promise express bus service from Ala Moana to UH Manoa to help transport the students. This project, unfortunately, won't be derailed. Money talks.
on July 11,2013 | 12:35PM
Richfromoc wrote:
Move UH Manoa to Ala Moana Center.
on July 11,2013 | 01:02PM
false wrote:
Now that's something Grabby and the gang never thought of.
on July 11,2013 | 01:12PM
kailuanokaoi wrote:
UH Moana instead of UH Manoa...haha!
on July 11,2013 | 01:50PM
kiragirl wrote:
I had to look twice to see the difference. Good one.
on July 11,2013 | 03:23PM
aomohoa wrote:
Good one. LOL!
on July 11,2013 | 03:26PM
Skyler wrote:
Cool - but next time don't laugh at your own jokes. :-P
on July 11,2013 | 10:04PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Different Zip Code.
on July 11,2013 | 02:16PM
Skyler wrote:
I'm sure the Postal Service will know where it is.
on July 11,2013 | 10:05PM
Shh wrote:
LOL Now that made my day! Love it!
on July 12,2013 | 08:19AM
allie wrote:
unions want it...and a few developers.
on July 11,2013 | 01:24PM
aomohoa wrote:
And why would the rail need to end at a mall when we are getting a wonderful mall in Kapolei> That was not good planning.
on July 11,2013 | 03:25PM
Shh wrote:
Terrible planning! They screwed up!
on July 12,2013 | 08:20AM
Imagen wrote:
Surprised? I think not.
on July 12,2013 | 09:36AM
dustplus123 wrote:
The Rail needs to end period!
on July 11,2013 | 12:34PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
And then what? You cant keep beating a dead horse. Eventually a solution has to be arrived at. So as long as your beating that horse, and not looking for something else, you are no better off then the clowns that do nothing.
on July 11,2013 | 01:05PM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
I got one. End rail now and build a freeway from Waianae to Hawaii Kai. True alternate route.
on July 11,2013 | 01:49PM
miyviews wrote:
True alternative route? For more cars perhaps (induce demand).
on July 11,2013 | 05:16PM
environmental_lady wrote:
You are right there. It's too bad that the rail system wasn't build before all the buildings and infrastructure was put in. Now it's far too expensive. A better solution would be to equip buses with more bike racks and pave more bike paths. Our climate is conducive to bike riding most of the year. More bicycles would mean less cars on the road and less congestion. The city planners are short-sighted as they're in the pockets of developers and Ala Moana merchants.
on July 11,2013 | 07:48PM
Skyler wrote:
EL if 'they' had built it 'back then' it would be obsolete and a huge rusty eyesore like half of everything else here that was built 'back then.'
on July 11,2013 | 10:07PM
inlanikai wrote:
Aren't they putting dorm rooms and classes at the Aloha Tower?
on July 11,2013 | 01:15PM
Skyler wrote:
That's HPU. I'm sure the guys are going to flock to those classes since HOOters is right below.
on July 11,2013 | 10:08PM
Shh wrote:
I second that!
on July 12,2013 | 08:20AM
Mallory wrote:
A lot of people know, when the university is out of session, traffic improves tremendously so it would only make sense to serve that portion of the population to significantly reduce traffic IF they decide to use the rail.
on July 11,2013 | 12:36PM
gyang wrote:
and they wouldn't have had to spend money on a West Oahu Campus!
on July 11,2013 | 12:53PM
inverse wrote:
That was POLITICAL and special interest driven. Like the Aloha train to nowhere. UH knew before they even started with W Oahu there was NO money to maintain to main campuses at both Manoa and W Oahu. They also knew UH faculty backed by UHPA, that as a group are one of the highest paid state employees in Hawaii would NEVER force any department to relocate to W Oahu cause they can afford to live in Manoa, Makiki, Kaimuki, St Louis and the very highest paid in Waialae Kahala and prime Hawaii Kai. UH also is CENTRALLY located right next to the best private schools in Hawaii that includes Obama's high school, Iolan i, Hanahauoli, followed by MidPac, Maryknoll, St Louis, St Francis, etc. and professor kids do not have to commute far from their homes and their parents place of work. There are supermarkets like Safeway Manoa, etc. Therefore W Oahu would ALWAYS be relegated to be nothing more than an overpriced community college feeder school to UH Manoa. The rail is nothing more than a string of wasteful projects like the Convention Center, UH West Oahu, etc. etc.
on July 11,2013 | 02:50PM
Shh wrote:
Yeah but of course they cannot follow directions and think they know best and now look! It doesn't even go there at all now! Trash the project!
on July 12,2013 | 08:21AM
Anonymous wrote:
WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE!? THE RAIL IS TO SHUTTLE THE TOURIST FROM DISNEY TO THE MONEY DISTRICT. IT IS NOT FOR THE LOCALS!!
on July 11,2013 | 12:43PM
hikine wrote:
Have you ever seen the traffic from Ewa to town in the morning and afternoon? It's like a parking lot! People complain about the rail but offers no alternative in how to alleviate the problem.
on July 11,2013 | 12:59PM
false wrote:
So .........whatever happened to the second city idea that we heard about years ago?
on July 11,2013 | 01:14PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Second hand city. Treated like a Second class citizen? Got to read the fine print.
on July 11,2013 | 02:18PM
kiragirl wrote:
Where have you been? Solutions galore and cheaper and would reduce traffic. First is to stop development in the Ewa plains until upgrades to our infrastructure are made. Second is to revisit what Cayetano proposed. And, much much more.
on July 11,2013 | 01:23PM
mikethenovice wrote:
No traffic at 2AM.
on July 11,2013 | 02:17PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
hikine wrote: "Have you ever seen the traffic from Ewa to town in the morning and afternoon?"

I've got some bad news for you, friend. The rail doesn't go to Ewa... instead it goes to a big developer's new suburban spraw outside Kapolei.

Did someone lead you to believe it went to Ewa? They were lying.


on July 11,2013 | 02:34PM
miyviews wrote:
But at least Ewa folks can bypass the traffic through H1, and either drive (park & ride in East Kapolei), bus (feeder or loop from Kapolei and/or West Loch), or bike (cycle track along Fort Weaver Rd) to Ewa. Otherwise, the express bus will be congested in the carpool lane (presently) and/or upcoming afternoon zipper lane.
on July 11,2013 | 05:24PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Well, sure. People in Ewa COULD take a bus to DR Horton's newest suburban sprawl, but wouldn't it have made more sense to fulfill the promise of traffic relief for weary west side commuters than build a train so a powerful developer could develop previously undevelopable land?

What effect do you think approving Ho'opili will have on Ewa family's daily commute?!


on July 11,2013 | 09:34PM
Skyler wrote:
You know they're just talking nonsense - no answers. ZIppo. Non. Zero.
on July 11,2013 | 10:10PM
Imagen wrote:
And, THAT is not all "they" were lying about...
on July 12,2013 | 09:39AM
hybrid1 wrote:
.With 64 seats, the two-car trains supposedly have room for 254 STANDING passengers.............But that’s at “crush capacity,” which is far more crowded than Americans are willing to accept....................... Assuming the city increases the seating to 76 seats, actual loads are likely to be limited to a total of about 150 to 200 people per train................... At a maximum of 20 trains an hour in each direction, the line will be able to move about 3,000 to 4,000 people per hour inbound in the morning and a similar number outbound in the afternoon.......................... By comparison, a highway lane can easily move 150 express or BRT (Proposed by Ben Cayetano) buses per hour (a single lane can move 2,000 vehicles per hour), and at 100 seats per BRT bus that represents 15,000 people per hour, none of them having to stand..............15,000 commuters are equivalent to 12,500 cars per hour which frees up 6 freeway lanes which will eliminate competition for freeway lanes. NO additional H-1 lanes will be needed to accommodate 15.000 commuters under BRT (FACT- Buses are 80% funded by the Feds).
on July 11,2013 | 02:52PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Sweety the rail doesn't go thru Ewa. Just saying.
on July 11,2013 | 03:10PM
MKN wrote:
It doesn't go close enough to Disney either. LOL!
on July 11,2013 | 01:02PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Maneki, Do you really expect the train to pull up to your doorstep and drop you off at your desired location. Obviously you have no idea how a transportation system works.
on July 11,2013 | 01:12PM
inverse wrote:
Actually Maneki and many others posting on this board know exactly how transportation works beyond Hawaii but are not in denial or paid hacks to point out the obvious boondoggle the Aloha train to nowhere really is. It would actually benefit the commuters on Oahu others including myself would support the project but from this began and continues to be nothing more than a special interest drive taxpayer project to make $$$$$$ at taxpayers expense.
on July 11,2013 | 02:54PM
allie wrote:
always was
on July 11,2013 | 01:24PM
Shh wrote:
Oh boy! Like all the tourist is taking up the roads! GIVE ME A BREAK!
on July 12,2013 | 08:22AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Not going to UH.

Not going to Kapolei.

Not going to Ewa Beach.

Not going to Waikiki.

Not going to Salt Lake.

Come to think of it, the Frankentrain doesn't really go where it might have dome some good. A 20 mile useless route unless you are dying to visit Waipahu. For $50,000 per foot. $6,000 per resident.

But it does go from a rich mainland developers pet housing project to a shopping center.


on July 11,2013 | 12:45PM
Ewaduffer wrote:
And that Maneki_Neko is exactly the fact of the matter. Great comment.
on July 11,2013 | 01:10PM
false wrote:
But it does go to the proposed second Hong Kong , Kakaako where everyone works. LOL
on July 11,2013 | 01:19PM
allie wrote:
Old man Mufi got exposed on this one. Note how he is now invisible?
on July 11,2013 | 01:25PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Thanks for the colorful brochure on the rail at election time, Mufi.
on July 11,2013 | 02:20PM
PCWarrior wrote:
The $500,000 brochures at that.
on July 11,2013 | 03:15PM
Skyler wrote:
Did that include the coloring book? I never got one :'-(
on July 11,2013 | 10:12PM
Imagen wrote:
No, the coloring book was all HART
on July 12,2013 | 09:52AM
mikethenovice wrote:
Rail leads to the developers bank?
on July 11,2013 | 02:20PM
aomohoa wrote:
That is for sure!
on July 11,2013 | 03:27PM
Shh wrote:
That was the whole intension to begin with! They could careless where it leads to!
on July 12,2013 | 08:24AM
Wazdat wrote:
That about says it all in a nut shell. SELLOUT to DEVELOPERS
on July 11,2013 | 02:34PM
Hilofrank wrote:
How about the judge sticks to the courtroom and let the public and policy makers decide the fate of this massive white elephant project? Oh forgot to mention, since when does a black robe mean someone knows Jack about engineering? Sill me. Anyone in a black robe knows everything! Darn it, I forgot.
on July 11,2013 | 12:46PM
markat wrote:
I was wondering the same thing. And why blast anybody about the route at this point. The time for blasting was last year.
on July 11,2013 | 01:28PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
markat wrote: "I was wondering the same thing. And why blast anybody about the route at this point. The time for blasting was last year."

And last year you guys said the time to comment was the year before.

The recurring mantra of the pro-rail cheerleaders, SINCE 2004 has been "It's a done deal and you should have said something earlier, it's too late to change it now."


on July 11,2013 | 02:37PM
hybrid1 wrote:
Ninth Circuit of Appeals will kill this rail project on 15 August 2013. link: Honolulutraffic.com.
on July 11,2013 | 02:57PM
kumasachi wrote:
It will be the same results as the Super Ferry when they circumvent the appropriate process of the Environmental Impact Study!!!!! Putting the Cart before the Horse killed the whole process.
on July 11,2013 | 09:20PM
HK888 wrote:
THE JUDGE DISPLAYS MORE COMMON SENSE THAN THOSE WHO HAVE THEIR HAND IN THIS PROJECT.
on July 11,2013 | 01:47PM
mikethenovice wrote:
That's what happens when the judge is not paid off. Common sense is the judge's default.
on July 11,2013 | 02:22PM
Hilofrank wrote:
I don't see how a tunnel under Beretania Street makes sense, common or otherwise. Have you been on Beretania with they are repaving or more applicable, when a water main breaks? Traffic is so bad you want to end your own life in the car. So putting a tunnel under Beretania street strikes me as insane and the opposite of common sense. Personally, they should have run off shore along the reef. But Earth Justice and Sierra Club would have got their Birkenstocks all tied up in a bunch on that. After all, a train off shore would be an eyesore for all those 1%-ers in the Sierra Club and block their ocean views.
on July 11,2013 | 04:43PM
Shh wrote:
Thank goodness we have the judge overlooking this project because if we left it in the city's and state's hands the people would suffer!
on July 12,2013 | 08:26AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Why is it a security threat to the Federal Courts, and not a threat to UH? Terrorist would hit UH and thousands while the courts would yield a few NSA types. .
on July 11,2013 | 10:33PM
earlson wrote:
The extension to UH will never be built. Anseldo will go bankrupt or HART will realize like many other cities that Anseldo cannot deliver on the contract and eventually cancel it. Of course the people at HART will not admit this now since there is money to pay their fat salaries. Honolulu cannot afford to operate rail, we can't even afford the raises for HPD and OTS. Kirk's plan is to raise taxes which in a round about way will force people to use public transportation because you will not have enough money to pay for a car and gas.
on July 11,2013 | 12:48PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Its nice to see that we can rely on your insight to the completion of this transportation project. Give me a minute to inform the rest of the world about your knowledge and we can tune into your future prognostications to find out all of our other answers to our universe's problems. And of course, please provide us with the answer oh high and mighty potentate.
on July 11,2013 | 01:15PM
Skyler wrote:
YOu got no answers to the real questions so all you can do is try (badly) to look cute. " And of course, please provide us with the answer oh high and mighty potentate." That is so BS.
on July 11,2013 | 10:14PM
false wrote:
Is someone or some people getting paid off in this rail deal? Go rail go
on July 11,2013 | 01:21PM
Hilofrank wrote:
This is a rhetorical question right? I mean all you have to do is look at all the contractors and subs and match it up to the campaign spending commission's list and yeah, someone or some people are getting paid off, big time. But that's how we do things in Hawaii. We plan, engineer and build stuff that we either don't need or is obsolete by the time it's built. But it's full time employment for the tradesmen and the engineering, architect firms, etc. Building irrelevant and stupid stuff gets people paid in this State and darn it, we're just going to keep doing it no matter how much sense the other side makes.
on July 11,2013 | 04:26PM
hawaiinui wrote:
You have some great insight that lends to this fact...News has it that First Hawaiiian has lost a VP. And now Go rail Go's Chair Maeda Timson now works for the City. Hey how's that for some 'getting paid off" in big time $$$.
on July 11,2013 | 05:09PM
allie wrote:
agree..fiasco city
on July 11,2013 | 01:25PM
Shh wrote:
Exactly! The developers and Hart all want to cash in on the ridiculous project and don't care where the rail ends! Just make sure their pockets are full when the project is done right?
on July 12,2013 | 08:28AM
GAF wrote:
This is becoming ridiculous and much more costly! The only ones that will seem to gain from this elevated rail system will be the "homeless" - lot's of space under the rail to fall asleep!
on July 11,2013 | 12:49PM
markat wrote:
They'll just put planters under the rail system to keep the homeless out. If that's the city's strategy for dealing with the homeless, then I'm going to open a planter factory. Gotta follow the stupidity.
on July 11,2013 | 01:32PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Might as well plant whatever you want in them planters.
on July 11,2013 | 02:23PM
Hilofrank wrote:
You said a mouthful. Here we have a judge, with a law degree saying that they should build a tunnel (below sea level folks) on an island. And how long did the chunnel take to link Great Britain and France? And how much? The way we do things in our State, that's basically full time employment for a life time. And since it is Hawaii, everyone gets a piece of the pie. Except us poor schlubs who aren't connected with the Democratic party and have to pay taxes.
on July 11,2013 | 04:29PM
Shh wrote:
You forgot the developers!
on July 12,2013 | 08:29AM
hon2255 wrote:
The rail route is a joke, all over Kakaako displacing many businesses, and the main destination was suppose to be UH, shoppers from west Oahu taking the rail to Ala Moana ? Yeah right . Buy all the crap and take it home on the rail ,forget it. Developers paying off all the politicians for the rights to develope along the route, Kakaako will be a concrete jungle shortly.
on July 11,2013 | 12:52PM
hon2255 wrote:
This project is flawed, originally suppose to go all the way to UH, short on money , short on thought, the rail that goes no where.
on July 11,2013 | 12:53PM
hawaiinui wrote:
The rail is the fertilizer for the top heavy condos being planned for Kakaako. They work hand in hand with the planning stragegy and development ideas of HCDA and the Governor's office. In any case, looks that if they stop the alignment to Ala Moana...then brings vaiidity to the thought that the rail was never intended to go there in the first place. Stop at the airport and go back to the beginning of the rail line, then bring those tourists to the Second City and the KoOlina resorts of the rich and famous (i.e Jeff Stone, Disney and the gang). Money will run out way before it reaches Mapunapuna. Let's all wait and see.
on July 11,2013 | 05:15PM
Skyler wrote:
It should have gone from UH Manoa to UH West.
on July 11,2013 | 10:16PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
Long Live Judge Mollway!!! Well said Judge, very important points.
on July 11,2013 | 12:53PM
allie wrote:
agree
on July 11,2013 | 01:26PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
mandan huntress, still waiting for links to those pics....
on July 11,2013 | 04:24PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
i tink i found a piture of her. i been drinkin all day tho. http://www.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/28566571-28566574-large.jpg
on July 11,2013 | 07:11PM
Bothrops wrote:
Alaska has the Bridge to Nowhere; we have the Train to Nowhere! Actually the train is just an excuse for land development, including the giant sucking sound known as the University of Hawaii West Oahu.
on July 11,2013 | 12:58PM
Mythman wrote:
The so called second city - sell Campbell Estate land and call it "second city". What architect dreamed that one up?
on July 11,2013 | 01:45PM
hawaiinui wrote:
Check it out...even the heirs to the Campbell Estate now express regret for selling the lands to DR Horton. Powerful stuff, but falls on deaf ears as the story in this morning's paper reads.
on July 11,2013 | 05:17PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Ms. Palin involved?
on July 11,2013 | 02:23PM
Imagen wrote:
Nope. This is all Bush's fault.
on July 12,2013 | 09:58AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Where does this judge get off saying where the rail goes. She needs to keep her opinion out of her decision and rely on those with the expertise to determine where and how to get this done. Her job should have no bearing on her opinions.
on July 11,2013 | 01:03PM
juke wrote:
your not the judge
on July 11,2013 | 01:19PM
false wrote:
Yeah, you tell'em go write that letter to the judge and give them a piece of your mind. LOL
on July 11,2013 | 01:23PM
kiragirl wrote:
She cited the original purpose of this project and that HART is in non-compliance. As far as some other stuff, you may have a point but the rail project is not doing its intent.
on July 11,2013 | 01:28PM
Wazdat wrote:
hahaha. YOU think our rail folks are experts ?? GIVE ME A BREAK they are CLUELESS
on July 11,2013 | 02:35PM
Kuhlbreeze wrote:
She recused herself from this case along with most of the other Federal Judges in May 2011. Seems inappropriate to re-insert herself. Is she acting as a Judge or a citizen?
on July 11,2013 | 01:07PM
juke wrote:
both
on July 11,2013 | 01:18PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Well that's settle it. Continue with project, continue from Ala Moana ,Atkinson Dr. ,Kapiolani Blvd, left on University Ave.Ending at Pucks Alley. City buys Puck Alley and students can use to get to UH via the H1 underpass tunnel.
on July 11,2013 | 01:10PM
Eagle156 wrote:
This is the beginning of the end for this unfortunate project that has nothing to do with improving our traffic congestion which is caused solely by the City Council destroying farm lands and continually giving in to developers.
on July 11,2013 | 01:14PM
allie wrote:
hope so
on July 11,2013 | 01:26PM
Mythman wrote:
Can you imagine the traffic nightmare of two years of work on Beretania street?
on July 11,2013 | 01:46PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Time to move to Kahala.
on July 11,2013 | 02:24PM
Shh wrote:
Feels sorry for all of the businesses that were effected by this project from the beginning. They put many people through hell and why? Because they were greedy and selfish! They don't care where the rail ends or who's lives they destroy!
on July 12,2013 | 08:34AM
toad103410 wrote:
Thank you judge. A bit of fresh air and common sense, finally! If and when this boondoggle is ever completed (hopefully never) most of us will be dead and buried
on July 11,2013 | 01:23PM
XML808 wrote:
Thank you,Judge Mollway. Putting a tunnel beneath Beretania and running it to UH Manoa is a must.
on July 11,2013 | 01:24PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mollyway is not asking to Stop Rail. She asking for an additional billion dollars and to rip up Beretania. Thanks judge, the workers need it.
on July 11,2013 | 10:30PM
kandr08 wrote:
STOP Rail !!!! Ask, how much will it cost to operate for the few to ride it? And traffic will not decrease, as the report indicates. So why spend money that no one has....
on July 11,2013 | 01:32PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Money talks. Sounds like some business had a influence in rerouting the tracks?
on July 11,2013 | 02:14PM
CriticalReader wrote:
"has not been adequately considered". Sounds like more delays. Federal Judges concluding that a delaying EIS omits adequate consideration of a substantial mega-alternative. Wonder how the sitting Federal Judge Tashima is going to treat that argument? Ignore it? If he does, the cocktail parties will become awfully awkward.
on July 11,2013 | 02:20PM
CouncilmanBerg wrote:
Saddest part- is that after the bait and switch, elected officials won't even let us vote on it again after many now know they have been had/duped. http://www.kitv.com/news/politics/Voters-won-t-get-chance-to-abolish-HART/-/8905242/13040772/-/wlgx5yz/-/index.html
on July 11,2013 | 02:20PM
gsc wrote:
CouncilmanBerg, You are missed !!
on July 11,2013 | 03:03PM
Shh wrote:
You saw it coming right from the beginning! It was a big mistake and should be stopped immediately!
on July 12,2013 | 08:36AM
Tony91 wrote:
Who out in westside will be going to Ala Moana anyway? The train doesn't go to Waikiki so tourists won't be hopping on it to go Ala Moana either. Kama'aina from westside stopped going to Ala Moana a long time ago. Without Sears or other moderate priced retailers in the center, it is difficult to imagine much demand for a train to Ala Moana from the west.
on July 11,2013 | 02:21PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
Plus, the train doesn't stop at the airport.
on July 11,2013 | 04:24PM
Shh wrote:
Amen! Obviously they keep thinking people want to go to Ala Moana! Nothing there for the locals anymore so what's the sense of going there?! They have no brains!
on July 12,2013 | 08:38AM
chryw8 wrote:
don't let ala moana center get away with this, either. boot sears out for more lucrative rental leases to stores that offer very little to local, middle class residents of the state.
on July 11,2013 | 02:27PM
GooglyMoogly wrote:
The hell?? Don't hijack this thread. If there's nothing that interests you at Ala Moana, you can go to Pearlridge, Windward Mall or Kahala Mall. Let. It. Go.
on July 11,2013 | 02:43PM
Wazdat wrote:
YUP....TOTAL INCOMPETENCE by the rail planners. Its very easy to see that a rail to a mall is a JOKE and WASTE of money.
on July 11,2013 | 02:31PM
palani wrote:
The 2011 recusal order noted that the Hawaii court "could be construed as having an interest in the outcome of litigation."

Most of the judges wrote a letter in 2008 opposing the rail route's proximity to the courthouse, saying that it posed a security risk. The letter was addressed to the Federal Transit Administration.

Definitely a conflict of interest here, but, in this case, the person objecting is a lot "more equal" than the rest of us.


on July 11,2013 | 02:34PM
false wrote:
UH-not cost effective. Period. Forget it
on July 11,2013 | 02:41PM
Wazdat wrote:
Then WHY even build it ?????????
on July 11,2013 | 09:02PM
Shh wrote:
Because they greedy and don't care! They figure let the people of Hawaii pay for this big mistake!
on July 12,2013 | 08:40AM
rayhawaii wrote:
Should start in Waianae and end in Kapolei so I can get to Costco, Home Depot and my Bikram Yoga Class.
on July 11,2013 | 02:51PM
Ronin006 wrote:
For those of you not old enough to remember, the project’s original route was from West Kapolei near Ihilani Resort to UH in Manoa, a distance of above 26 miles. The cost was projected at $3.7 billion and was stuck on that figure for several years despite the costs of everything else skyrocketing. It became a very controversial issue with opponents arguing that the cost would greatly exceed $3.7 billion. Then Mayor Hannemann vowed publicly that the project would be completed on time and on budget, but to do that the route was shortened to about 20 miles, starting somewhere in Kapolei and ending at Ala Moana Center. The city continued saying for three or four more years that the shortened route would cost $3.7 billion. Reality then sunk in and the project cost was changed to $5.2 billion for what the city called an “inflation adjusted” increase. That was about four years ago. Anyone who believes the cost will not increase again has no concept of reality.
on July 11,2013 | 03:00PM
Hilofrank wrote:
Don't forget to thank Rene Mansho for dumping the project at the last minute resulting in the huge multiplier in cost for the years of delay!
on July 11,2013 | 04:31PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
D you think it's her fault that Honolulu City leaders like Mufi Hannemann continued to tell citizens that the rail would cost 3.7 billion for years? What about an unchanged completion date despite for the project being halted for close to a year? Do you think HART and the Mayor are being honest and transparent about realities of this rail project?
on July 11,2013 | 05:04PM
kiragirl wrote:
Do you mean she was the ONLY one who opposed rail? Gee, can you name the others?
on July 11,2013 | 07:29PM
jojobear wrote:
Say Judge I was kind of wondering where will the additional millions of dollars needed to continue the rail system to the University, will you pay for it, if you are by all means let's continue the rail to U.H.
on July 11,2013 | 03:05PM
palisadesron wrote:
Rail going to Ala Moana Center is for all the Kakaako high rise developments
on July 11,2013 | 03:34PM
hon2255 wrote:
So actually only a Disneyland style monorail needed to go Kakaako to Ala Moana , bwahhhhhhh, lol, and we're stuck with heavy rail for 20 miles for nothing!!! bwahhhhhh
on July 11,2013 | 03:57PM
Hilofrank wrote:
not for nothing! It is already costing us a half percent in higher excise taxes and oh just wait when the real bills come in and the politicians we always reelect will be telling us to pay higher, much higher taxes, 'cause "no can help." And we'll pay, we'll grumble, and we'll still reelect the same dunces that got us into this mess. Because that's how we roll in the 5-0!
on July 11,2013 | 04:35PM
Skyler wrote:
If you're in "Hilo" frank, you're not paying squat over there for this project.
on July 11,2013 | 10:20PM
higiantsfan wrote:
The proposed rail system is outdated. It will be osolete by the time it actually starts running. It will be another drain on future Hawaii taxpayers. It reminds me of the convention center. Great idea, just 20 years behind the times...
on July 11,2013 | 04:01PM
Hilofrank wrote:
Exactly! But isn't that the way we do things here in Hawaii?! And darn proud of it too!
on July 11,2013 | 04:32PM
engineersoldier wrote:
Hey, wise one, the NYC subway system got its start at the turn of the last century and is still running pretty much in the same way, with its third rail system invented by Henry Brinckerhoff. Suggest you stick to an area you know something about.
on July 11,2013 | 06:30PM
kennie1933 wrote:
To judge Mollway: Not to worry, the grand plan calls for the train to end at UH.....but not likely until 2060 the way we do things in Hawaii! Just saw a TV show about Japanese construction workers who had 3.5 hours to replace an entire half mile elevated train track so that the morning train could pass. With 800 workers, they completed the job with time to spare. In Hawaii, the same project would take 3.5 DECADES. Job security! A side note, I am not pro rail, but since it seems to be already in the works, it should have STARTED at UH and worked its way back towards Kapolei. That way, students could start using it sooner from town, then eventually Salt lake, Aiea, Pearl City, etc. As it is now, it will take years for Phase 1 from Kapolei to Waipahu, and that will be REAL helpful...I really need to go from Kapolei to Waipahu Zippys because by then, I should be well into retirement, and I can meet all my retired friends at Zippys for free coffee refills!
on July 11,2013 | 04:04PM
false wrote:
Yeah! Now the courts are making it for sure not too SMART! SMART HART! That's the new name. Says it all.
on July 11,2013 | 04:25PM
jussayin wrote:
About time someone got it right. The rail needs to go to UH. If you drive on H1 when UH is out of school, it's noticeably better. Kudos to the Judge! Stop the rail now to get it right. Also postpone development till the traffic problem is resolved.
on July 11,2013 | 04:36PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
20,000 people a day go to UH Manoa. Not all live on/near a rail line or need rail to get there. So let's say 12,000 do. That 24,000 rides per day. How could anybody overlook that target market? Don't even get started on Waikiki and the huge number of service workers who would ride rail plus visitors.

The Train To Nowhere really lives up to its name.


on July 11,2013 | 04:49PM
Shh wrote:
I agree! They should stop the project and get it right or stop the project completely!
on July 12,2013 | 09:04AM
Anonymous wrote:
Ah.... Our Kupuna Iwi has been awaken and now re-lives. When disrespect for iwi, land, ocean and in fact anything that pertains to life for some reason problems of major concerns continue at the cost of its peoples. Another lesson of life. Hope for the best.
on July 11,2013 | 05:26PM
Shh wrote:
Aloha ke Akua!
on July 12,2013 | 09:05AM
bobjones wrote:
ok. why doesn't this story go on to tell us if this letter means anything, other that Judge Mollway expresssing her opinion. What's the purpose of the letter? This is very confusing.
on July 11,2013 | 05:31PM
engineersoldier wrote:
With all due respect, this judge does not know what she is talking about. Several judges opposed the Halekauwila routing because they feared some terrorist or disgruntled criminal may do a shot put to their building from the train--a really silly thought. She clearly has no understanding of project costs and she should just stick to her area of expertise, which one hopes is in federal laws.
on July 11,2013 | 05:38PM
kiragirl wrote:
Didn't she cite something that had to do with a federal project?
on July 11,2013 | 07:31PM
Eagle156 wrote:
Does HART have the real costs for the second half and most expensive part of the project? Answer: No they do not !!
on July 11,2013 | 08:08PM
Shh wrote:
And the reason for it being built in the first place...when does that come into play?
on July 12,2013 | 09:06AM
eas450 wrote:
I am not so wise as many of the other commenters but the 2 things that I know are 1) the purpose of the rail was to alleviate traffic congestion in the east/west corridor and 2) with the few $100k studies already done which find that the traffic congestion is greatest when UH is in session & the simple observations by most individuals on Oahu that traffic is really nice when UH is not in session, it's nice that someone with the power to draw appropriate unbiased conclusiions in her profession makes the same observations & can READ; unlike the many officials that claim they are doing the correct thing by spending billions of our dollars both to construct & force Oahu residents...many of whom would not really benefit in any way...to pay for this including the hundreds of millions of dollars annually to run this boondoggle...yes, getting much of this from the Feds...golly, don't we pay those taxes too???
on July 11,2013 | 05:42PM
pandadaddy wrote:
Sorry, but number 1 is incorrect. The rail was never intended to alleviate traffic but to strengthen the labor unions and their political power along with making several people wealthier in the process.
on July 11,2013 | 05:46PM
Skyler wrote:
B-b-but they said it WAS!
on July 11,2013 | 10:21PM
Shh wrote:
and they said rail was going to go to UH pshhhhh!
on July 12,2013 | 09:09AM
CnDnM wrote:
For those who are applauding the judge's opinion, is the consensus that the project is worth completing if if it goes to UH? Even if it costs more?
on July 11,2013 | 05:47PM
kiragirl wrote:
Good question but it is more complex than that.
on July 11,2013 | 07:33PM
CnDnM wrote:
Well it feels like people are picking and choosing what they want to hear. If you dont want the rail project to be built, the judge didnt really validate your opinion. If you agree with the judge, then I think this comment thread would have more discussions on improving the rail system.
on July 11,2013 | 07:54PM
Shh wrote:
We didn't have a choice to begin with. The people was forced into this from the beginning. Now being so, if they plan on building the monstrous contraption that most people will not be riding to begin with, then at least have the common sense of it being built for the purpose it was supposed to be build for to begin with. It should be in the first phase of construction and end at UH! NOT ALA MOANA, NOT WAIKIKI, NOT THE AIRPORT! If not, then shut the entire project down and come to the conclusion that the idea was trashed to save Hawaii's people billions of dollars.
on July 12,2013 | 09:18AM
soundofreason wrote:
Let's run through this again.

10 minutes to GET to a bus that will TAKE you to a rail stop

10 minutes wait FOR that bus (cause you can't just get there the minute it arrives)

15 minutes for bus to DRIVE you to a rail stop

20 plus minutes for the 20 plus STOPS

20 minutes for the actual TRAVEL

10 minutes wait for the bus to PICK YOU UP from the rail stop

15 minutes for the bus to take you where you're REALLY going

OVER ONE AND A HALF HOURS!! And HOW many BILLIONS to pay for the OCCASIONAL day when it MAY take 2 hours?


on July 11,2013 | 06:29PM
Kuniarr wrote:
What is really comical and tragic is that a HART document called "Final Financial Plan for Full Funding Agreement" greedily cites three State projects classified under the FTA as "fixed guideways" as source of FTA funding.

Except that those three State projects along with the AM zipper lane virtually makes Railirrelevant or useless primarly because commuting by Bus Express (Country Bus) and by car/van pool would become a lot faster than the slow moving train.

So, with commuters flocking to take the Country Bus or commute by car/van pool what use would Rail be? Nothing.
on July 11,2013 | 06:29PM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Don't sweat the small stuff, this comment by the judge along with Teshima's ruling on Aug 13th will shut this criminal enterprise down once and for all...
on July 11,2013 | 06:53PM
Skyler wrote:
Hope so, Rap... really hope so.
on July 11,2013 | 10:21PM
sailfish1 wrote:
It's just a letter. If HART ignores it, what is judge Mollway going to do? NOTHING!
on July 11,2013 | 07:16PM
localguy wrote:
More fraud and mismanagement from HART and Grabby Boy. It never ends. What they also do not want to talk about is the cost of rail related workers if and when rail ever runs. They will be basically be workers who will strike in a nanosecond as they feel they will always deserve extra money for all their hard work. Look for featherbedding, good ole boy and sweetheart deals as riders are taken to the cleaners to fund this bureaucracy. Think it can't happen? A recent news report showed San Francisco's BART is already deep in overtime and excessive salary costs to workers plus paying almost all medical. Yet BART workers feel they are underpaid and want more. Same will happen to Hawaii. HART and Grabby Boy have already been paid, I mean taken more then they are worth. Hold on to your wallets, sticky fingers are coming your way.
on July 11,2013 | 07:42PM
kds wrote:
Traffic gets worse when UH starts. When UH ends, the traffic lessens significantly. Judge Mollway is absolutely right on all counts.
on July 11,2013 | 07:48PM
Kokoy wrote:
Rail to UH, alleviating traffic?! Now that is something I wouldn't mind paying for.
on July 11,2013 | 08:43PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Finally! Someone points out the obvious. Thank you, Your Honor.
on July 11,2013 | 10:08PM
Ahlo wrote:
I simply cannot understand how can other states and countries have built state-of-the-art rapid transit systems decades ago and we here in Hawaii still can't seem to figure it out. I remember riding the SF Bart back when I was a young kid 30 years ago! At this point, is the rail more of an engineering challenge or a political challenge? And with our relatively advanced online infrastructure, why can't many of the UH classes be held online, particularly during the peak traffic hours?
on July 11,2013 | 10:38PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Ho hum . . . Susan Mollway has been at this since she penned her first letter in 2008. UH was part of the original locally preferred alternative, but that doesn't mean the first segment has to go there. West Kapolei was also part of the same alternative in the Final EIS. The purpose wasn't to get people from Kapolei to UH. The primary purpose was to give commuters an alternative to H-1, and most of those commuters are not students.

Ala Moana is the island's premier retail center, as well as one of the state's major employment centers. Rail should certainly go there, but that doesn't mean it can't go to UH, as well.

There's nothing to stop the construction of a line to UH as part of the second rail segment. Seattle did exactly that; they built as much as they could afford on the first segment (airport to downtown), which opened in 2009. Now, they are completing the second segment (downtown to UW) and more are planned. This the normal progression of rail systems in other cities.


on July 11,2013 | 11:16PM
Lesher wrote:
we can't even "afford" to go to ala moana....
on July 12,2013 | 09:04AM
Shh wrote:
OMG THEN FOR SURE RAIL SHOULD BE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY!! No one out there wants to go to Ala Moana believe me! There are no stores there for the locals. They rather shop in Kapolei! UH should be built in Phase 1 or nothing at all! SHUT DOWN RAIL!
on July 12,2013 | 09:29AM
tiki886 wrote:
The extention from Ala Moana Ctr to UH's lower east campus might be unworkable. First, you'd have to chew up Kapiolani Blvd from Keeaumoku to University Ave, and make a left up University Ave. Easier said than done.
on July 12,2013 | 10:21AM
LMO wrote:
The rail project is NOT about getting people from one end to the other (no matter where those ends are). It's not about alleviating traffic (all studies have shown this won't happen). It's not about transit ease. It IS about making a few people very rich, appeasing unions with jobs and money, and keeping Honolulu citizens in debt and under control. It WILL ruin view planes and sight lines. Rail needs to be stopped!
on July 12,2013 | 02:22AM
wondermn1 wrote:
RUSTY THE SCREACHING RAIL IS GOING TO CVOST WELL OVER 10 BILLION DIOLLARS AND TAKE 20 MORE YEARS TO FINISH!!!!! In the meantime our property taxes will skyrocket and more than double along with fees and ridiculous rates for electricity, water and sewer and car registrations Number 50 o the worst states to do business
on July 12,2013 | 03:28AM
McCully wrote:
The rail project was never intended to go to UH. It was to service all the condos that's coming online in a few years. Without the condos this project is dead on arrival.
on July 12,2013 | 06:56AM
eastside808 wrote:
Based on her position, her comments should be within the context of the judicial process and not as she admits an administrative comment. That is why we have a separation of powers. She is using her position to influence others and that is a misuse of her position and should be reprimanded for her outburst. There is a time and place for her comments, however, this was not the time nor the place.
on July 12,2013 | 07:04AM
Ratrase wrote:
Cayetano and Slater, they never say die. Can' t they find something to be for instead of being against everything? The train is coming, better get off the track.
on July 12,2013 | 09:33AM
tiki886 wrote:
I am not an engineer but I think if the route is changed to a tunnel under Beretania, the project is dead not only because it will cost much more than a billion extra dollars but it will undermine the foundations of many condos along the street. Holomua near the corner of Kalakaua and Beretania decided not to use concrete piles to strengthen its foundation base because the vibrations the pile driver would create could possibly cause cracks to the foundations of surrounding buildings and condos. Instead they opted not to pile drive and to build an extra thick foundation. That also has risks to the condo's own foundation cracking under its own weight no matter how thick the foundation.

Building a tunnel under Beretania exposes the C&C taxpayers to too much potential risks to many buildings and condos. The vibrations of excavation could create a "sinkhole" effect for the short and long term as buildings along the route start to crumble from having their foundations undermined. To avoid or minimize that risk is one reason I think 'they' went with an above ground rail.


on July 12,2013 | 09:43AM
Ratrase wrote:
Not to mention a mile long tunnel at sea level would become an underground river.
on July 12,2013 | 09:57AM
ha_oleboy wrote:
Who cares what federal judges have to say about anything other than federal law? Hey, if they don't like where we put our rail, they can move their court house ... to Guam. What does a federal judge know about defending against terrorist bombs and mass attacks with machine guns, anyway? Over staffed, elderly security? With metal detectors? Looking for loose quarters? Ha! We have enough military on Oahu to defend the entire western Pacific. Defending one side of one small small block on Halekauwila should be duck soup. If you need so much security, move to Diamond Head Crater. At least there you can provide your staff and participants with adequate parking, rather than mooching off First Circuit Court state parking. Hey, federal judges, mind your own business.
on July 15,2013 | 12:37PM
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