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Lanai owner Ellison calls NSA tracking essential

By Erika Engle

LAST UPDATED: 10:41 a.m. HST, Aug 13, 2013

Larry Ellison, founder and chief executive of Oracle and owner of Lanai, believes the National Security Agency is “great” and “essential” for minimizing terrorist attacks.

He said during an interview on “CBS This Morning” that data has been collected about consumers long before the NSA, citing credit-card data companies collect.

The line would be crossed, he said, were the government to start using the data for political targeting, rather than terrorism prevention.

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ricekidd wrote:
Only the HAVE's want this type of intrusion... They know that there not getting spyed on. They PAY BIG BUCK to be in "THE BIG CLUB" Its a BIG CLUB but you and I are not in it!
on August 13,2013 | 07:02AM
pcman wrote:
IRT rice on big club. Actually, if you are like me, we are I the 99.999999% who don't mean diddly squat to terrorism.. We are in the big club. The people who should worry are in the little bitty club of .0000001 % who are planning terror anywhere in the world. If you are not planning any acts of terror, you have nothing to worry about. Many people think they are so important that they will be listened to. How vain. Let vanity override security.
on August 13,2013 | 10:01AM
RichardCory wrote:
"you have nothing to worry about" ... for now. And if you ever get enough of a voice to be a threat to the establishment? Then what? Even if you have no intentions of using violence to achieve a political overhaul, do you think corrupt leaders are just going to sit on their hands when they have such a vast means of obtaining every single piece of personal and private data about you than they can? Greed and power are a part of a cycle of addiction. The more people have, the more they want. You gave leaders an inch, they will take a mile. You are your own worst enemy with that "you have nothing to worry about" attitude.
on August 13,2013 | 11:09AM
RichardCory wrote:
Case in point: Google "After Multiple Denials, CIA Admits to Snooping on Noam Chomsky"
on August 13,2013 | 11:42AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
on August 13,2013 | 03:00PM
Manoa2 wrote:
Reading best seller spy novels-- the heroes and heroines use the NSA spy network (the books refer to the NSA), kill terrorists without due process, bug and threaten a news reporter supporting the constitutional rights of terrorists, hide secrets from the president and congress, use ethnic profiling, drones, and listening devices. Given how popular these books are, I think a lot of people like this approach-- more readers than folks donating to the ACLU.
on August 13,2013 | 12:37PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
I guess I have not seen to many instances of people I would describe as "HAVE's" undertaking acts of terrorism. Do you think is possible that the gov't doesn't spy on the HAVE's because they know they will not get involved in terrorism because (1) if you are a HAVE you are probably benefiting the status quo so you would not want to to anything to rock the boat; (2) they have too much to lose to get mixed up in what is a criminal enterprise; and (3) they are too busy enjoying their money to bother with any of this?
on August 13,2013 | 01:41PM
Ratrase wrote:
Of course Ellison is in favor, his company Oracle is reaping the benefits from all the routers and servers that are doing the job!
on August 13,2013 | 07:15AM
OldDiver wrote:
The question is, who is watching Ellison.
on August 13,2013 | 08:54AM
Bothrops wrote:
on August 13,2013 | 08:59AM
cojef wrote:
Just imagine the facilities in Utah. It is huge and guess who will be supply the equipment and software to run the equipment, you guessed it as "Ratrase" indicate.
on August 13,2013 | 11:07AM
lee1957 wrote:
Routers and servers are hardware, Oracle is a software company.
on August 13,2013 | 11:45AM
simple wrote:
Oracle sells hardware as well since they bought Sun
on August 13,2013 | 12:17PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Oracle is probably an NSA vendor. Part of Big Data is data mining. Database creation is a big part of that.
on August 13,2013 | 03:01PM
Ratrase wrote:
That's funny, my previous comment about how Ellison is in favor of this because his company Oracle benefits from it, didn't get posted?!?
on August 13,2013 | 07:19AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Ratrase it did,it did.
on August 13,2013 | 08:32AM
honopic wrote:
Yeah, but only after the S*A censors pulled it for a while, to make sure it was "acceptable." Sometimes they do that and reinsert it later, but in a different place, so if the poster was replying to someone else, it doesn't make sense in the new place. But what can you do? Go to the other newspaper? I'm sensing this comment will be "Sent For Approval"......
on August 13,2013 | 11:11AM
lee1957 wrote:
Are you sure the SA censors pulled it? It may have gone directly to the NSA.
on August 13,2013 | 11:46AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
I think it did get posted but please explain how a company that provides software and support to business sector really benefits from this.
on August 13,2013 | 12:50PM
Aieagrl wrote:
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on August 13,2013 | 07:34AM
Cantopop wrote:
His opinion matters. He's a billionaire. In the US now, that gets you to the head of the line.
on August 13,2013 | 08:55AM
aomohoa wrote:
Big money and big business run and own the government of course his opinion is powerful.
on August 13,2013 | 09:07AM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Actually, it does matter as his money buys him a lot of influence in Congress. Just look at the tax loopholes that his Republican Congressmen fought for. By the way, given the choice between sequestering thousands upon thousands of civilian workers (16,000 to 20,000 in Hawaii alone) amounting to more than twenty percent pay cuts (unheard of and outrageous) and giving up their tax loopholes, they chose to keep the tax loopholes. And they had the gall to announce that the sequestration was not affecting the USA. The effects won't be seen immediately. But it will be felt in a couple months or so when we see the decline in revenues due to the fact that these thousands upon thousands of workers not spending the money that they now are not receiving. For many living on a tight budget an over twenty percent pay cut WILL have an effect on our economy. So we go on with our government that is bought by the rich. Remember how the rich poured millions upon millions of dollars as they saw a tax increase looming should the current president win office? And they almost succeeded. I am not a fan of our current president but he did get one thing right, the rich should pay more taxes. When a struggling worker pays more in taxes in proportion to his income than a rich tycoon, there is something wrong with our tax system.
on August 13,2013 | 11:47AM
SueH wrote:
This story has nothing whatsoever to do with Lanai, but is just about the opinion of another "big voice" in the corporate world. It really doesn't matter that he's the owner of Lanai; he could be the owner of Disneyland for that matter. Nobody cares.
on August 13,2013 | 08:28AM
aomohoa wrote:
You are right. We all know he's owns Lanai.. It's just a very powerful man's opinion. Why put Lanai in the headline?
on August 13,2013 | 09:10AM
Usagi336 wrote:
I think a lot of people in Hawaii never even knew who he was until he purchased Lana'i. I think EE just wanted to remind people in case they forgot. lol Just hope he doesn't turn into another John Mcafee!
on August 13,2013 | 10:28AM
aomohoa wrote:
You'd have to live in a cave to not know who he is. LOL
on August 13,2013 | 11:35AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Good for Mr.Ellison. He knows how the information network works and knows that every big Internet corporation gathers info on all who touches an smartphone,iPad,pc,,tablet or whatever. Also financial institutes, and all credit card companies. So the government is the last feeder on this system.
on August 13,2013 | 08:43AM
iwanaknow wrote:
So...............buy more stock in his company?
on August 13,2013 | 08:44AM
First-Responder wrote:
Of course he will have that point of view, he supplies the technologies NSA uses. His vested interest invalidates his perspective.
on August 13,2013 | 09:02AM
aomohoa wrote:
Good point. LOL
on August 13,2013 | 09:11AM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Exactly on point.
on August 13,2013 | 11:50AM
johndoe wrote:
I don't understand why the concerns. If you're not breaking any laws then who cares who is watching???
on August 13,2013 | 09:11AM
false wrote:
My thoughts exactly.
on August 13,2013 | 09:30AM
Usagi336 wrote:
If we're not breaking any laws then why should we be watched???
on August 13,2013 | 10:13AM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Because even comments that you make on this board can be monitored and twisted out of context. You may not be aware of it but all your doings online be it political or otherwise is fair game. You can be labeled a threat to national security simply because of you exerting your right to free speech.
on August 13,2013 | 11:57AM
Aquarius1 wrote:
I agree. Why worry if you've got nothing to hide.
on August 13,2013 | 10:52AM
honopic wrote:
It's not about breaking laws -- it's the basic right of privacy written into the U.S. Constitution. Spying on all citizens falls under "unreasonable search" regardless of whether they ever use the information or not. They can't come into your home without permission or a warrant, so why should they have access to all your phone calls, e-mails, web searches, etc? It's government overreach disguised as "security."
on August 13,2013 | 11:15AM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
This is a matter of principle. If our government is allowed unfettered access to all of our personal activities, what else can they be accessing from our day-to-day activities? Granted, if you are not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. But be aware of this, you can be targeted erroneously as many Americans have been. You give the government an inch and it will take a mile. What next? Chip implants in each citizen? You may think you are not doing anything but one innocent misstep and you now have a bulls eye on you and it will follow you for the rest of your life.
on August 13,2013 | 11:54AM
dpinsacto wrote:
This article really should mention that the NSA is a customer of Oracle and that the more data the NSA stores in Oracle databases the more money Larry Ellison makes.
on August 13,2013 | 09:20AM
entrkn wrote:
I agree with Larry Ellison. The NSA is looking for and protecting us from terrorists. Our local cops, on the other hand, are illegally collecting surveillance data about all of us with real nefarious potential.
on August 13,2013 | 09:57AM
shshimizu wrote:
I have no problem NSA keeping track of me, nothing that would cause any security issue. The problem I have is the banks, retail stores, and anyone that wants my money watching over me. Costco probably knows more about us than the NSA. Our buying habits, when we purchase certain items, and what we return is more intrusive in my opinion.
on August 13,2013 | 10:38AM
Bothrops wrote:
But you have a choice not to shop at Costco. This is my country and I choose to live here.
on August 13,2013 | 01:33PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
I have no issues with NSA tracking. I have a bigger concern with the stupid telemarketers who get around the Do Not Call registry by claiming they are a charitable org.
on August 13,2013 | 10:54AM
kalico11 wrote:
I rather my family be safe than sorry!
on August 13,2013 | 11:16AM
yoboseo wrote:
I have no qualms regarding the data gathering. If you don't like it, suggest a more efficient and effective way of finding and disrupting the evil plans of the deranged bad guys.
on August 13,2013 | 01:27PM
Bothrops wrote:
Well it sure didn't work in Boston or with the Army shooter. The reality is that this is designed to catch someone AFTER they do something. It won't make you safer.
on August 13,2013 | 01:34PM
Wahiawamauka wrote:
Why don't we ask the government how many Arabs our in this country on expired student visas and their current whereabouts? LOL. All this while they track our email and communications. I'll never celebrate the 4th of July again for this reason. Our country is not the so called free country our government says it is. Only the brainwashed believe that.
on August 13,2013 | 01:50PM
Wahiawamauka wrote:
Are in the country. Sorry.
on August 13,2013 | 01:51PM
Mythman wrote:
God Bless Larry and all the internet billionaires of his generation, the founders, who basically just built commercial versions of platforms the NSA et al had in use going all the way back to Viet Nam - we all know the story. They made deals with the gov and to this day, they forget that they were privileged due to national security and when it comes time to know who to thank, they forget how privileged they were and still are, with the back doors and them sitting on the high mucky muck security committees that do not operate openly. When does it end is the question and what's next. The commercialization of the computer didn't save the US of A, did it?
on August 13,2013 | 02:48PM
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