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Rail arguments before appeals court in San Francisco wrap up

By Marcel Honoré and Gordon Y.K. Pang

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LAST UPDATED: 03:47 p.m. HST, Aug 15, 2013


SAN FRANCISCO >> A panel of three federal judges spent much of today's oral arguments in the appeal against Honolulu's $5.26 billion elevated rail project questioning whether it was too early for them to make a decision in the case.

Circuit Judges Stephen Reinhardt and Andrew D. Hurwitz spent most of the hour-long hearing peppering Nicholas Yost, the lead attorney for rail opponents Honolulutraffic.com, with questions about the appeal court's jurisdiction.  

The two judges pondered whether last year's ruling by visiting federal Judge Wallace Tashima could stand as a final decision for them to consider. Tashima's ruling called for several additional key studies on impacts and alternatives to the rail project, and those reports haven't been finalized or approved yet.

Those studies, looking at a Beretania tunnel as an alternative route and impacts to Mother Waldron Park as well as "traditional cultural properties" along the 20-mile line, could drastically change the public transit project after the 9th Circuit judges make a final ruling, Reinhardt and Hurwitz said Thursday.

"It looked like the court had some significant concerns on whether it should make a decision now," said Bill Meheula, an attorney representing Pacific Resource Partnership in the case.

Yost said it was too early to say what might come of the hearing. "I just don't know," he said afterward. "It was clearly a well-informed panel. We were very pleased with the attention that the court paid to this case."

The lawsuit by Honolulutraffic.com against the city and Federal Transit Administration alleges that city and federal transit officials violated environmental and historic preservation laws in planning the 20-mile rail line.

At the crux of the 2011 lawsuit by Honolulutraffic.com -- a consortium of politicians, academics and environmental groups -- is the charge that the city and federal transit officials failed to properly consider all reasonable alternatives, including using an express bus system along dedicated lanes.

In December, Judge Tashima sided with the city on all but three of 57 points of concern raised in the lawsuit, thus allowing the city to proceed with construction of the project. But he also required the city to further study rail's impact on Mother Waldron Park in Kakaako, the feasibility of an alternative route under Beretania Street and the project's effects on cultural sites along the route.

Also serving on the panel with Reinhart and Hurwitz is Senior Circuit Judge Mary Schroeder. With arguments finished, the judges will now weigh the case but there's no fixed timeline for a decision on the matter.   

During this morning's proceedings, Yost told the panel that the city had failed to properly consider alternatives to a heavy rail system, calling its rejection of Bus Rapid Transit “arbitrary and capricious” and noting that the city should also have considered light rail. 

Attorney David Shilton, who represents the Federal Transit Authority, countered that Judge Tashima ruled that alternative technology need not be considered if it is not feasible and does not serve the stated needs. He added that the city is complying with Judge Tashima's decisions. 

As the arguments wrapped up, Judge Hurwitz suggested that the panel ask Judge Tashima about the intent of his order. 

Hawaiitraffic.com filed its appeal in February.







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Bumby wrote:
Amazing no comments yet.
on August 15,2013 | 07:56AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
I think you were just early! Aloha!
on August 15,2013 | 08:55AM
Bumby wrote:
The right thing to do is not build rail and start alternative plans that will help traffic dramatically. Rail is not going to do that.
on August 15,2013 | 07:57AM
krusha wrote:
That's what they keep saying and it always comes back to rail. The longer you take, the more expensive it's going to cost. If they built it in the 90's, would have been exponentially cheaper, and they probably would have circled the island by now.
on August 15,2013 | 08:34AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
krusha wrote "If they built it in the 90's, would have been exponentially cheaper, and they probably would have circled the island by now."

I'd like to suggest that you look at everything else the City and State did in the 90s and look at it now. Rusting, moldy and unmaintained. Been to Haunama Bay lately? Me either.


on August 15,2013 | 09:34AM
inverse wrote:
Don't know which would have rusted faster, a steel on steel train built in a year round corrosive salt air environment or the Aloha stadium with it's "moveable" bleachers all made of "magic steel" that would initially rust only the surface and then stop rusting completely. Or what about Oahu's 3rd world cracked and potholed roads or primary only treated sewage facilities in which crazz has to be trucked out of Honolulu to the W Oahu and Kailua treatement plants. What about the daily water main breaks. City and State cannot even maintain current utilities and transportation infrastructure; who are you kidding to when you say a rail built in the 90's would be this "world class" rail transportation system circling the island??
on August 15,2013 | 09:45AM
control wrote:
nothing but a ploy by cayetano and slater to derail the rail. if it doesn't get approved then it is highly unlikely that it will be built in our lifetime as the feds would be less reluctant to approve money. that's what slater and cayetano want. they don't care about gridlock, only offering short term solutions to a problem that will only get worse as time passes.
on August 15,2013 | 08:41AM
mcc wrote:
Rail will not help gridlock, better busses and roads will. Fixing our sewers and water mains will stop needless delays daily due to ruptures.
on August 15,2013 | 08:56AM
control wrote:
no your solutions are only a short term fix.
on August 15,2013 | 11:47AM
Eagle156 wrote:
And rail is a long term disaster
on August 15,2013 | 04:21PM
f206 wrote:
How would adding additional buses to an already bad traffic situation make it better? Oh, that's right "Dedicated bus lanes." Why didn't I think of that? Take away lanes of traffic on surface streets!! That's the solution!!
on August 15,2013 | 08:19PM
saveparadise wrote:
Why would the feds be reluctant to approve the money? Why would we have to borrow the money? Could it be we cannot afford this luxury that desecrates our iwi and precious land? Look at all the poor and homeless that are multiplying. How can you justify spending this ridiculous amount of money on a train before the well being of the people and promoting self reliance for our tiny island paradise?
on August 15,2013 | 09:04AM
hybrid1 wrote:
The year 2030 West Oahu commuter DEMAND is 15,000 people per peak hour above the existing highway capacity according to the City's Alternative Analysis. .. The reckless $6 Billion rail carries only 3,000 people per hour (70% Standees) so this leaves a shortfall of 11,000 west Oahu commuters per hour which will still need transportation to downtown via H-1 freeway, Moanalua Hwy and Kam hwy. ...........By comparison, a single, 2,000 vehicle capacity HIGHWAY LANE or zipper lane can easily move 150 BRT buses per hour which represents15,000 people , (equivalent to 12,500 cars per hour which frees up 6 freeway lanes). Competition for freeway lanes will be eliminated when BRT Buses are used from all points on Oahu and without rail. The FEDS fund 80% for new BRT buses.
on August 15,2013 | 09:38AM
control wrote:
never happen. no politician in office supports your proposal. when the rail failed in the early 90's no other proposal was deemed viable for another decade and nothing ever happenned when the rail died in the 90's. if rail dies again it is likely that nothing will again happen. you're nothing but another anti rail proponent spewing your "facts" that will never happen.
on August 15,2013 | 12:29PM
cajaybird wrote:
IRT Hybrid: Hopefully the judges will read your comment. I recall the same arguement against rail was mentioned countless times, yet I've never heard a good rebutal. IMO, the rail is all about money, political control, and unions, a real powerful combination, especially with the current administration in DC. Also, it seems like the impact on the beauty of Oahu is not given enough consideration. Were tourists ever surveyed? After all, someone is going to end up paying for the project, and you can gaurantee it will cost multiples of the current projection.
on August 15,2013 | 04:51PM
inverse wrote:
Parson's EIS done under BOTH the Harris and Mufi administrations stated a rail would NOT improve traffic on Oahu.
on August 15,2013 | 09:46AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
And these plans are......? Explain to me how rail will NOT improve our congestion?
on August 15,2013 | 12:55PM
Kuniarr wrote:
What the plaintiffs are claiming - using an express bus system along dedicated lanes - are revealed on pages 2-9 (Last Paragraph( and 2-10 (First Paragraph) of a document of the Rail Authority (HART) called Final Financial Plan For Full Funding Agreement which stipulates:

* PM zipper lane on H-1 between the Ke‘ehi Interchange and the Kunia Interchange ** H-1 HOV lanes between the Waiawā Interchange and the Makakilo Interchange (one lane in each direction) *** HOV lanes on the Nimitz Flyover between the Ke‘ehi Interchange and Pacific Street (two lanes, reversible, operating inbound in the AM and outbound in the PM)

Those 3 State Projects along with the AM Zipper provides dedicated lanes for the Bus Express.

Therefore, those dedicated lanes for Bus Express and Car/Van pools negates the need for Rail to provide traffic-free travel to commuters from the West Side.
on August 15,2013 | 08:13AM
kainalu wrote:
Laughable.
on August 15,2013 | 08:31AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Indeed, all this hoopla about Rail is laughable. Majority of the voters of Oahu are weak-minded and easily fall prey to propaganda. That is why we have Democrats and Rail in Oahu.
on August 15,2013 | 09:38PM
control wrote:
our roads are congested already. to dedicate road lanes for their bus system is laughable. Cayetano initially wanted dedicated bus lanes on kapiolani and was laughed at by all, now he wants beretania or king street to have those lanes. again laughable. their other plan of going underground is just as laughable, the rail posts only take up a certain amount of space, yet they are finding bones, if they dig to put things underground it will take forever since they will be digging up a lot of stuff. this is all nothing but a smoke screen to slow down the rail or to get it killed.
on August 15,2013 | 08:46AM
saveparadise wrote:
Leave earlier or later to avoid traffic. The billions wasted on this train can be better spent. Not all of us want progress and overpopulation.
on August 15,2013 | 09:08AM
control wrote:
way to go, that's the way to stick your head in the sand to avoid the problem. so, what happens when you have to leave at 3 am because of all the cars on the road? only a matter of time before your proposal will hit girdlock too.
on August 15,2013 | 11:49AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Dont blame over-population on rail. It has been here for years already-this is the reason we are having this discussion about rail in the 1st place. As for progress- you dont want that either. What, do you still believe the world is flat, or we could take away your cell phone, tv, car......I could go on, but instead of wasting yours and my time-you should consider NOT COMMENTING>
on August 15,2013 | 01:00PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Traffic Congestion Relief - without new road construction - has been accomplished in several cities in the mainland. All that needs to be done is have the boneheads of the State DOT go visit the Oregon DOT that is in charge of the system that relieves traffic congestion on H26.
on August 15,2013 | 09:47PM
hybrid1 wrote:
FACT: One BRT bus carrying 100 passengers removes 80 vehicles from freeway. 150 BRT buses carrying 15,000 pax removes 12,000 vehicles from the freeway and clears 6 lanes of traffic druing peak hour.
on August 15,2013 | 02:37PM
f206 wrote:
If people are not riding the bus now, what makes you think they will ride it in the future? Buses are too slow and wastes productive time.
on August 15,2013 | 08:23PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Now that the Bus Express will become a better alternative to traffic on the H1 than Rail, you come back with Traffic congestion. Duh. Now, when it comes to Traffic Congestion relief, all that one needs to do is read how several cities in the mainland have accomplished Traffic Congestion Relief - without new road construction.
on August 15,2013 | 09:44PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
"traffic-free travel to commuters from the West Side." Really, TRAFFIC-FREE!!! REALLY!?? We really need to move into the 21st century. Too many playing the blame game or the rich get richer card.
on August 15,2013 | 12:57PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
After the hearing we still need to wait for a month or so for the ruling. That will be the key date. Thing is, public sentiment is pretty strongly anti-rail at this point. We have all seen proof that this project is about making some people rich while not doing what it was conceived to do.

All about real estate development and very little about traffic.


on August 15,2013 | 08:25AM
kainalu wrote:
I hope Cayetano and Slater brought their box of tissues. And that the tax-payers, regardless of their position are prepared to open up their wallets more. Like the H-3, litigation always drives up the cost.
on August 15,2013 | 08:31AM
control wrote:
nah, they are like captain ahab, will continually try to stop the great white rail. lol.
on August 15,2013 | 08:43AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
We stab it with our steely knives but can we kill the beast?
on August 15,2013 | 11:34AM
honopic wrote:
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
on August 15,2013 | 01:33PM
ryan02 wrote:
The Rail will achieve EXACTLY what it was intended to do -- put billions of tax dollars, both federal and state, into the pockets of unions, contractors with the right connections, and ultimately politicians and government employees through kick-backs and jobs as special consultants. Fixing traffic problems, the environment, historic preservation, preserving ocean views that tourists expect in Hawaii, minimizing noise, accommodating UH students - the City does't cared about any of those things. The rail will be a big money maker for those with the right connections. That's the City's goal, and I'm positive the rail will fully accomplish it.
on August 15,2013 | 08:32AM
control wrote:
they said the same thing about bart in san fran. but then many people use bart, it had a purpose as the honolulu rail does.
on August 15,2013 | 08:42AM
saveparadise wrote:
Please understand that about half the population do not agree with you. The train is being forced upon us. The developers used every trick in the book to accomplish this and are laughing all the way to the bank.
on August 15,2013 | 09:21AM
control wrote:
actually over half the population agrees with me, that's why cayetano lost the election.
on August 15,2013 | 11:50AM
pakeheat wrote:
Why hasn't 90% agree with you and only slightly over half?
on August 15,2013 | 12:15PM
control wrote:
I say slightly over half because that is how the election went, over half voted for caldwell and less than 50% voted for cayetano. to many the election was a rail versus no rail.
on August 15,2013 | 12:23PM
cajaybird wrote:
The same way healthcare was passed. How's that working out?
on August 15,2013 | 05:05PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Or you could have said, "Why is only less than 1/2 of the people supporing me and not 90% or more? Is that a better question?
on August 15,2013 | 01:06PM
pakeheat wrote:
but you proponents show how good this rail is going to be the mother of all our traffic solutions, convince the less than 1/2 that's all you need, why so hard?
on August 15,2013 | 08:49PM
honopic wrote:
Wrong, control. Cayetano lost the election because there was a "shortage of ballots" at the polls at a crucial time, when in reality those ballots were locked away to make sure the big-money people who stand to make a fortune on rail would get their way.
on August 15,2013 | 01:37PM
control wrote:
ha ha, funny story. as if there were that many ballots short. but keep believing what you will, easy to blame that instead of cayetano losing because he actually lost the vote count.
on August 15,2013 | 04:03PM
cajaybird wrote:
To control, I believe your side won because of the financial support from Rail. That's the point.
on August 15,2013 | 05:05PM
Kuniarr wrote:
That's because a slight majority of Democrat voters are so weak-minded that they easily succumb to rail propaganda.

(1) Propaganda bragged about Rail being an alternative to Traffic on the H-1. Except that the State has scheduled 3 projects that along with the AM Zipper would make the Bus Express and Car/Van Pool a much better alternative to Traffic on the H1 than Rail.

(2) Propaganda bragged that the people need not worry about Rail financing because it is pad for by a GET surcharge and the FTA. Well, propaganda makes a convincing argument by lies because the GET surcharge revenue is running short of projections.
on August 15,2013 | 10:05PM
localguy wrote:
Did you see in the news BART's Union Workers are doing what ours do, drain money from taxpayers. They threatened to go on strike if they did not get a big pay raise and increased bennies. So much for BART being an efficient means of transportation. Expect the exact same to happen here, unions will always threaten a strike for more and more money. Rail will be nothing but a another state union money pit. Will not be long before Honolulu follows other cities in declaring bankruptcy as the multi billion union pension shortfall continues to grow beyond any way of paying it off. Rail will drain more money as will infrastructure maintenance. All our bureaucrats do is kowtow to the unions,make promises and continue to kick the can down the road. Give us a break.
on August 15,2013 | 09:26AM
control wrote:
bart is an efficient means of transportation. do you think buses will be any better? they are union too so are subject to the same problems that bart has with workers. all other proposals will encounter the same problem with workers and unions.
on August 15,2013 | 11:51AM
pakeheat wrote:
How many lines does the BART have that is similar to Oahu's line?
on August 15,2013 | 12:16PM
cajaybird wrote:
So, one solution is to privatize such projects, right?
on August 15,2013 | 05:10PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Baloney. HART itself on pages 2-9 and 2-10 in a document called Final Financial Plan For Full Funding Agreement reveals that the State has scheduled 3 state projects designated as Fixed Guideway which with the AM Zipper would enable West side residents to commute by Bus Express or Car/Van Pool much faster than the train.

Thus making the Train of little use for commuting purposes from and to the West side.
on August 15,2013 | 09:57PM
inverse wrote:
It won't even do that. What the rank and file Hawaii union workers fail to see or comprehend is almost all of the BILLIONS of hawaii taxpayer monies spent to build and maintain the rail would LEAVE Hawaii like Italian company Ansaldo and mainland contractors. Hawaii construction workers will only get the few labor jobs from the rail project itself. Even the local painters could not qualify to repaint the structural steel in Aloha Stadium. The rail stations will be made of concrete with one toilet so carpenters, plumbers will be iced out. What local unions are hoping is the rail paves the way for them to work on the urban sprawl development of Hoopili and the superskycrapers/ new shopping centers of Kakaako. The sad IRONY is had the rail project been scrapped and a comprehensive City/State trasnsportation improvement project using the future bidirectional H1 zipper lane as the backbone, dealing with clearly identified known chokepoints with selected flyovers/flyunders, limited double-decking, etc; not only what that have provided REAL improvements in Oahu traffic for everyone, local construction unions would State and Federal monies would have almost 100 percent benefited Hawaii construction unions
on August 15,2013 | 09:59AM
control wrote:
ladies and gentlemen, please say hi to cliff slater himself.
on August 15,2013 | 11:53AM
inverse wrote:
Not cliff, just not willing to accept any more of the rail B S
on August 15,2013 | 12:55PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Unless he has 2 screen names, that's not Cliff Slater.
on August 15,2013 | 03:26PM
control wrote:
actually slater has many names. waipahu is one of them. there were some others but we called him out on it before.
on August 15,2013 | 04:04PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
That one got shut down, so he moved to another central Oahu "town" near a RailRoad screen name where he can practice all kinds of pretty formatting and make baloney sandwiches. Heck, if he actually does have more than 1 screen name, he can probably afford the separate subscriptions necessary to keep them all active.
on August 15,2013 | 05:43PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Actually you all call people who produce convincing anti-rail arguments as Slater. But why do you paid rail bloggers fear those who make convincing anti-rail arguments and call them Cliff Slater?

Once the Judge gives the OK for Rail, there would be nothing to stop Rail.

But when reality sinks in and the lies that Rail propaganda have been telling the people are uncovered there will be a revolt in the ballot box.
on August 15,2013 | 10:13PM
cajaybird wrote:
Another fact everyone ignores is your point about Ansaldo. Interesting that all the proposed rail projects use Ansaldo. Obviously, this project was being forced on Hawaii from the administration. I thought we needed manufacturing jobs in the U.S. We can place a rover on Mars but we cannot build rail cars? Redistribution of wealth. The U.S. is too strong. Debt, not a problem. Spend the money first, then ask, who can pay for this? The answer, the evil rich. What a country!
on August 15,2013 | 05:15PM
Ronin006 wrote:
The 9th Circuit Court has been very friendly towards environmentalists. The city will lose if there is any evidence to show environmental laws were violated,
on August 15,2013 | 08:34AM
McCully wrote:
Expect a major tax for rail to continue. The taxpayers are already maxed out on taxes just to keep this city to function. How much can the people be taxed for a system that many will not use?
on August 15,2013 | 08:48AM
mcc wrote:
Isn't the Mayor and City Council going to ride the rail? How many of the people that are pro rail are really in it for the money??? ?How many are going to ride it daily?
on August 15,2013 | 08:58AM
pakeheat wrote:
They were in favor for rail but like you said they want to continue to drive their cars. HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!
on August 15,2013 | 12:18PM
control wrote:
isn't that the norm? most people want others to take the rail, bus, etc so they can continue to drive their cars, hoping the roads will clear out when others ride rapid transit.
on August 15,2013 | 12:26PM
honopic wrote:
Exactly. The rail proponents fantasy is "If we build it THEY will ride." Which means everybody else but them!
on August 15,2013 | 01:43PM
honopic wrote:
I said long ago that anyone who makes a profit from rail, including politicians, be required to sign an agreement that they will use it at least several times a week. They would have to document that use, or face stiff fines for failing to do so. Those fines would go to pay down the enormous debt that rail will create.
on August 15,2013 | 01:42PM
gicnk wrote:
Bankrupt HART and City is not unrealistic.
on August 15,2013 | 09:09AM
HAJAA1 wrote:
Get a life Benjamin! This issue is dead and rail is happening whether we like it or not. You're retired! You should instead spend your time and money on helping some of those rotten nephews and nieces in your dysfunctional family!
on August 15,2013 | 08:53AM
saveparadise wrote:
How can SA allow comments like this? This is typical of the developers and train people.
on August 15,2013 | 09:24AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
You make a strong argument for rail... wait, no you don't. You're just slandering one of the men trying to rein in this ridiculous and obscenely expensive gift to developers and construction interests. I'm guessing you are with PRP.
on August 15,2013 | 09:38AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I'm guessing you are with PRP. Pronounced "perp".
on August 15,2013 | 11:35AM
cajaybird wrote:
I believe an apology is due.
on August 15,2013 | 05:26PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
Not if you know some of his family like I do.
on August 15,2013 | 05:57PM
Skyler wrote:
Don't be disrespectful to a Kupuna.

Hmm. Where's the 'disrespecting Kupuna' police when you need them?
on August 16,2013 | 01:09AM
HAJAA1 wrote:
Here's the deal as I see it. The rail isn't for us. It's going to be needed (TRUST ME) by our young children, grandchildren, etc. And the longer we wait to build it, the more costly to all of us. Some of you say we are handing our next of kin a huge bill? Yes! But THEY are the ones who will be benefiting from this anyway. Not us. Stop thinking small! Hawaii people tend to do that (look at Kapolei "2nd city" - why did they make only 2 lanes in the main part of that town?? Small thinking). Open your mind to the future - 10-20-30 years from now. Rail will be it. Number of vehicles will lessen big time. No, not now of course. But years down the line. And lastly, for those that simply don't want it because they don't live "westside", I have nothing to say to those pea brains because that is the most silliest, immature reason of all. As if "westside" folks never paid for our benefits on eastside, windward, and in town?? Peace out my SA friends.
on August 15,2013 | 09:02AM
inverse wrote:
For the 10,000 time EVERYONE living on Oahu and not on the take knows, baring a major freeway accident, it is the SCHOOL COMMUTING CROWD that tips Oahu traffic from bearable to gridlock. The Oahu rail starting from an empty field in Kapolei and ending at Ala Mo Center will easily DOUBLE the commute time of W Oahu commuters using a City Express! bus (BEFORE Carlisle and Yoshi drastically cut these express bus routes). Therefore even after the rail is built it will NOT get current commuters out of their cars and W Oahu residents will NOT benefit from the rail. The rail will be a FAILURE and worse yet, almost all union employees living on Oahu will SUFFER as well as they will NOT benefit, not during construction and even after, if it is ever built.
on August 15,2013 | 10:07AM
inlanikai wrote:
And there you have the politicians' argument for extending Rail after this 20 mile link is almost done and continuing to expand it until this island sinks back into the sea. The GET surcharge will be continued, and then increased, Hillary's administration will be hit up for some funds and HART will float revenue bonds in perpetuity.
on August 15,2013 | 11:50AM
control wrote:
yes I see, in 20 years the freeways will be congested....with express buses. typical response from the anti rail forces to try to pull the wool on the public.
on August 15,2013 | 11:55AM
pakeheat wrote:
So you are god now and can see the future? LOL
on August 15,2013 | 08:51PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Amazing how your are able to see into the future and deliver these facts and figures. Tell me o' great and powerful-after we have rejected the rail, added another 100,000 cars to our roads, increased our gas prices 2 fold, and multiplied our drive times from 1 hour to 2 hours each way on the freeway-will you still be able to sing the same ole tune you are now?
on August 15,2013 | 12:25PM
control wrote:
nah, slater, err inverse will just blame everyone else because the politicians won't use his proposals either. the guy is so old, he must be 90 by now so in 20 years he will be gone anyway and won't have to put up with traffic that he causes by killing rail.
on August 15,2013 | 12:37PM
inverse wrote:
Not slater. Who are you grabyourcaboosa? Only someone like him, or Mufi, Yoshi. etc would need to have a screen name of "control". Let me guess, you really enjoyed the 1982 movie Tron with Jeff bridges and just got all giggly with the power of Master "control". Life imitates art and in the end Master Control (or HART?!) gets SHUT DOWN.
on August 15,2013 | 01:14PM
inverse wrote:
PS forgot one more guy who would feel they are entitled to have the screen name control: horner
on August 15,2013 | 01:17PM
control wrote:
sorry about that chief.....get it? and you must be either slater or one in his anti group to be pushing all his "facts".
on August 15,2013 | 04:06PM
inverse wrote:
Why don't you read what I wrote a couple of posts above. Gas? Commuters are increasingly going to Hybrid and full electric vehicles. Also hydrogen fuel cells and other alternative energy sources will be developed for personal vehicles in the very near future. Given Hawaii's mild year round climate and most of the topography of Honolulu and especially W Oahu is flat and close to sea level. Steel on steel technology is obsolete and ill suited for Oahu's corrosive salt air environment. The cost of 6 BILLION is unaffordable to Hawaii for a 20 mile route from an empty field in Kapolei to Ala Mo Center. You only have to have half a brain to accurately conclude the Oahu rail project will be a complete FAILURE, all at Hawaii taxpayer's expense.
on August 15,2013 | 01:08PM
localguy wrote:
Did you see in the news BART's Union Workers are doing what ours do, drain money from taxpayers. They threatened to go on strike if they did not get a big pay raise and increased bennies. So much for BART being an efficient means of transportation. Expect the exact same to happen here, unions will always threaten a strike for more and more money. Rail will be nothing but a another state union money pit. Will not be long before Honolulu follows other cities in declaring bankruptcy as the multi billion union pension shortfall continues to grow beyond any way of paying it off. Rail will drain more money as will infrastructure maintenance. All our bureaucrats do is kowtow to the unions,make promises and continue to kick the can down the road. Give us a break.
on August 15,2013 | 09:27AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Does anyone really want their morning commute held ransom by a union?
on August 15,2013 | 09:39AM
control wrote:
express bus workers are unionized. same problems, different workers (could be the same workers) and same or different union.
on August 15,2013 | 11:56AM
Skyler wrote:
They won't strike again - not after last time.
on August 16,2013 | 01:10AM
Wazdat wrote:
Agree localguy...
on August 15,2013 | 10:27PM
hon2255 wrote:
They should have built it when Fasi was Mayor, Feds would have funded virtually all the cost at that time but thanks to politics we suffer now with a design that uses old technology , lousy route that doesn't reach the intended destination of UH and a rail company that has a poor track record and in poor financial shape. Frank ,we need you!!
on August 15,2013 | 09:38AM
control wrote:
Nah, I'm sure slater was around when fasi was mayor. remember, he was pushing people to take his trolleys! what a joke.
on August 15,2013 | 11:58AM
Mythman wrote:
5.6 billion? Wow! The feds should be paying the entire amount. Somebody goofed in the planning stages.
on August 15,2013 | 11:38AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Mythman-your about 5 years behind the 8-ball. Get out of the past and discuss todays issues. Dont try and regurgitate an old meal.
on August 15,2013 | 12:28PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
What time does McDonalds Kahala open?
on August 15,2013 | 06:39PM
aomohoa wrote:
Very strange. Where are all the paid rail bloggers today? The holiday is tomorrow.
on August 15,2013 | 11:41AM
inlanikai wrote:
They're in SF before the court.
on August 15,2013 | 11:51AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
I think your confusing pro-rail with Cayetano and Slater.
on August 15,2013 | 12:29PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
It seems the dispute continues although PRP's supported Caldwell won the election already. The Appeals court's decision should determine the faith of the ongoing dispute over the city’s elevated rail project.
on August 15,2013 | 11:49AM
control wrote:
you wish, lol. we all know that slater and cayetano will continue to whine and complain even if they lose the appeal. isn't that right cliff?
on August 15,2013 | 12:09PM
gsc wrote:
control, Ai Kae !
on August 15,2013 | 01:10PM
Skyler wrote:
You're losing control, o paranoid one. Everyone that sees how bogus Rail is & says something about it, you call 'cliff.' LOL.
on August 16,2013 | 01:12AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Table 3-12, City Alternative Analysis:...Screenline: Kalauao Stream Koko Head bound: H-1 Highway capacity: 9,500 vehicles per hour (vph)............................... H-1 Observed Traffic volume = 10,960 vph :.... Vehicle overload = 10,960 minus 9,500 = 1,460 vph..= 115 percent above highway capacity = traffic gridlock.......................................... H-1 Forecast volume with rail operating Kapolei to Ala Moana Center: = 17,209 vph................H-1 Vehicle Over load = 17,209 minus 9,500 = 7,709 vph................................. Conclusion: With rail operating from Kapolei to Ala Moana Center, H-1 traffic overload at H-1/H-2 merge in year 2030 = 7,709 vph overload divided by 9,500 vph capacity = 180 percent above existing highway H-1 capacity = massive gridlock. .
on August 15,2013 | 02:32PM
aionokea43 wrote:
The attorney who argued before the panel of three judges did not do any justice for the cause. He stuttered, had a lot of ah, ah, not very good for a litigator to represent the opponents for rail. Sad but true, cases are won or lost by oral arguments and the arguments before the panel was poor. Not a good showing and the RAIL WILL GO ON.
on August 15,2013 | 04:06PM
kainalu wrote:
... and the basis for Cayetano and Slater's argument was and remains that the City didn't consider alternatives. That argument is beyond ludicrous - it's mind-boggling! Traffic solutions for those commuting from the West to Honolulu have been studied to exhaustion. Study after study after study - multi-million dollar studies. 4-decades long worth of studies. Heck, Ann Kobayashi even called for a study of the studies - are you kidding me??? This suit is going to be thrown out.
on August 15,2013 | 05:16PM
Kuniarr wrote:
With Cayetano's campaign platform contained which Cayetano should have focused on instead of BRT was - Traffic Congestion Relief on the H-1 with the application of the system used in cities in the Mainland (such as Portland, Oregon and Atlanta, Georgia) to relieve Traffic Congestion.
on August 15,2013 | 10:22PM
Kuniarr wrote:
been studied actually is proof that Rail was based upon obsolete studies.

When it comes to Traffic Congestion Relief - without new construction - all one needs to do is go visit the Oregon DOT and watch how a system the Oregon DOT installed on H26 in Portland, Oregon has relieved traffic congestion. What we have are boneheads who are behind the times with the thinking that Traffic Congestion Relief is impossible without new road construction.
on August 15,2013 | 10:31PM
cajaybird wrote:
ryan, you are exactly right. I'm just afraid that the judges may be receiving some phone calls from DC reminding them of your first sentence. In the past I called Rail Hawaii's Big Dig, but perhaps Hawaii's Solyndra is more accurate.
on August 15,2013 | 05:01PM
f206 wrote:
The three judges on the 9th Circuit look like they want to kill themselves while listening to that stuttering lawyer.
on August 15,2013 | 10:04PM
RandolphW wrote:
At least with the completion of the rail project, we will have something to replace the Aloha Stadium, as well as something we can all disagree with, just as in the "old days" here in Hawaii.
on August 15,2013 | 10:15PM
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