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Jury in Deedy murder case goes home, will return Monday

By Ken Kobayashi and Craig Gima

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LAST UPDATED: 05:26 p.m. HST, Aug 15, 2013


The jury in the Christopher Deedy murder trial deliberated for about three hours this afternoon before going home for a three-day weekend. They will resume deliberations on Monday.

The jury got the case after closing arguments this morning.

The prosecution and defense used  McDonald’s surveillance tapes, a key piece of evidence, to paint different pictures of who the aggressor was in the confrontation that led to the fatal shooting of Kollin Elderts in a Waikiki McDonald’s on Nov. 5, 2011.

Calling defendant Christopher Deedy a “bully with a badge,” Honolulu Deputy Prosecutor Janice Futa said Elderts was trying to defend himself from the intoxicated federal agent, who had pulled out a gun without legal justification. But defense attorney Karl Blanke said Deedy was the one who acted in self-defense. “Kollin Elderts is the one who took this to deadly force,” Blanke said.

Deedy’s attorney argued that by tackling Deedy to the ground and grabbing for his weapon, Elderts created a threat to Deedy that forced him to act in self-defense. “Deadly force has been used by Kollin Elderts as soon as he drops Christopher Deedy to the ground,” Blanke said. “When an officer goes to the ground that is a deadly force situation.”

Blanke went over the security camera video from the McDonald’s and pointed out instances in the video where he said shows Elderts was the aggressor.

“He (Deedy) doesn’t want to shoot anybody. He wants them to stop,” Blanke said. “He’s using the threat of deadly force to get them to stop, but Kollin Elderts continues to come at him.”

But Futa said the video shows Deedy was the aggressor, meddling in a situation that he did not have to get involved in and by not walking away when tensions escalated.

“He (Deedy) caused that dangerous situation. He is the one who kicked Kollin Elderts,” Futa said.

Futa argued that Deedy’s intoxication and inexperience contributed to the shooting.

As Futa began her argument, she said the jury cannot decide the case based on sympathy for Elderts or Deedy, nor what kind of person was or Deedy is. “Whether you personally think one person is better than the other, it doesn’t matter...,” Futa said.  “You have to look at the specific conduct.”

The prosecutor said the video shows Elderts and Elderts’ friend Shane Medeiros were joking with McDonald’s cashiers and with customer Michel Perrine when Deedy noticed them and stepped in.

“There was no reason for the defendant to get involved,” Futa said. She said Perrine was drunk, ignored Elderts and Medeiros, and did not feel he needed help. But Futa said, “He (Deedy) had to meddle... He came out of nowhere to address Kollin, who was merely siting at the table crossing his arms and waiting for his food.”

Futa argued that Deedy pulled out a gun and fired the first shot, without identifying himself clearly as a law enforcement officer and without justification.

She said Deedy had no right to bring out his gun because he was not in danger of death or serious bodily injury.

“Serious bodily injury has a specific definition. It’s not just a broken nose,” she said.

“Just geting dirty lickings, that doesn’t count as serious bodily injury,” she continued.

But Blanke said Deedy acted reasonably, and followed his training, as Elderts ignored Deedy’s commands to stop and Deedy was put in a position where he had to defend himself.

“What Special Agent Deedy did was reasonable under the circumstances,” Blanke said. “Special Agent Deedy did not attack Kollin Elderts. Kollin Elderts attacked him. Kollin Elderts attacked (Deedy’s friend) Adam Gutowski when he was on the ground.”

No one disputes Deedy shot and killed Elderts, Blanke said. But he didn't murder Elderts, he said.

Deedy's "intent was to protect life," Blanke said, who noted that the victim had been drinking heavily and doing drugs

During Futa's rebuttal, she suggested Deedy didn't retreat because he felt disrespected by Elderts, who slapped the agent and tackled him to the ground. "How do you think that sat with a trained agent with the State Department," she asked.

Blanke asked jurors if they wanted a law enforcement officer who walks away from danger. Futa countered that the public doesn't want an officer who sees a fistfight and thinks he can shoot someone. She asked: "Is this the kind of law enforcement officer you want around your Honolulu, your Waikiki?"

The State Department special agent was in Hawaii for the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation conference when the shooting occurred at 2:45 a.m. at the restaurant on Kuhio Avenue.

Deedy, 29, is charged with second-degree murder in the death of  Elderts, 23.

The jury will not have the option of considering a conviction on a lesser offense of manslaughter.

Jurors must consider whether Deedy "intentionally or knowingly" caused Elderts' death and whether he acted in self-defense.

Second-degree murder carries a mandatory life term with possibility of parole. Deedy is also charged with a companion count of using a firearm to commit a felony.

Ahn said Tuesday she was not instructing the jury that it could consider manslaughter, which carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison.






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HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
If the Prosecution is lucky they will get a hung jury and they will have another shot at this guy. If not acquittal.
on August 15,2013 | 08:58AM
Manoa2 wrote:
This case should never have been prosecuted. Friends of hours were leaving a bar at Ala Moana Center walking across the parking lot when challenged by three guys who started pushing them (two older men and their wives) and challenging them to a fight, knocking one down. Luckily, an off duty Sacramento police officer or sherif was nearby and he stepped in and asked the guys to back off and he put the biggest guy in a submission hold while our friends called the police. Under Futa's reasoning he should have been charged with assault because he did not walk away. I know the HPD thinks this ridiculous because law enforcement officers are trained not to walk away, but to become involved to prevent crimes or assaults and not be charged if they do not walk away.
on August 15,2013 | 01:09PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT Manoa2 : So based on your friends experiences, the state should not have pursed? Oh okay. Maybe you are on to something there. Too bad Deedy wasn't the guy who intervened on your friends behalf. Them maybe he could have killed all three. By the way in your friends case was anyone killed? Don't get me wrong I am glad that someone cared and stepped in for your friends.
on August 15,2013 | 02:30PM
Manoa2 wrote:
If the guy he restrained resisted, he might have killed him with a choke hold, or the officer might have punched and killed him with a blow to the head. Or the officer might have been killed the same way. The key is that we want officers to intervene and not walk away and let violence occur-- do we telll off duty cops or any other law enforcement officer to walk away or you could be charged if someone gets killed or hurt from your action-- that is what Futa said-- Deedy should have walked away. In the struggle with Deedy, there looked like a threat that he could be killed with his own gun-- he was down and Deedy was trying to grab his gun. If you were in that situation would you have shot?
on August 15,2013 | 03:17PM
hanalei395 wrote:
On the stand, Deedy admitted, confessed, that THERE WAS NO CRIME BEING COMMITTED ... BEFORE ... he kicked Elderts. Futa was right ...Deedy should have walked away.
on August 15,2013 | 03:48PM
Mypualani wrote:
No where in my post did I say " to walk away" I am not ignorant to the fact that there are people who go out get drunk and beat up on people. I have seen my share of this and never walked away. I made sure the police were called, and if I am in over my head I cannot do anything but wait for the police to come. You stated that because three drunk guys challenged your friends. Deedy is innocent and should not be prosecuted, what does that have to do with your friends? Yeah he should have walked away when he( Deedy ) escalated the situation, which he admitted to on the stand. Also no one was being beat up when Deedy went up to the table. And asked Elderts if he wanted to get shot. As for your friends I am glad that they are okay and no one was hurt or killed from their incident.
on August 15,2013 | 04:59PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT Manoa2, Deedy is prolly smarter than me, but more foolish at the same time. As the wiser man than I was in my youth, I KNOW I wouldn't make the dumb mistakes of 1) going "craziness" BEFORE even completing the very important special assignment I flew thousands of miles to undertake. 2) If I was drinking that night, I'd call 911 as soon as I sensed danger towards Perrine. 3) If I were a law enforcement officer, I would also be a trained martial artist. When in doubt, call for back up before approaching the suspects. All this is a moot point, of course.
on August 15,2013 | 05:12PM
sailfish1 wrote:
The security guard had already called 911 before the physical altercations started.
on August 15,2013 | 06:07PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Manoa, leaving a bar at Ala Moana. Okay, alcohol again.
on August 15,2013 | 04:49PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Manoa2...That's a good story and I am thankful for officers like him. Just like the off-duty officer who tackled someone assaulting an HNL TSA agent. They acted accordingly. They acted after a crime was committed. And, most importantly did not shoot anyone. The HNL officer quickly AND loudly identified himself after subduing the suspect. Deedy should have learned how to execute a submission hold. He was just trigger happy. This is why the Prosecution is targeting Deedy for being inexperienced and intoxicated. The Sacramento officer sounds experienced and very well trained. Deedy didn't have to walk away, but...Was he trained to defuse a hostile situation? If he was, why was he surprised at Eldert's response? Did he ever try to reason with a person who was under the influence? Did he still feel he should have invited himself into an unfamiliar situation? Was anyone asking for help? Could he have called 911? Could he have removed Perinne from the situation without confronting Elderts? Heck, Perinne didn't even feel like removing himself from the situation until Deedy pulled out his gun. Was this confrontation a smart move by Deedy? I don't agree with Eldert's actions, but I don't agree with Deedy's either. One more thing...Deedy claimed that Eldert's was patting his waistband area (like Zimmerman said about Martin)...That's an automatic statement of someone crying self-defense. Martin had skittles and Elderts was waiting for his McDouble.
on August 15,2013 | 09:27PM
Ronin006 wrote:
It would have been a sure conviction had he been charged with disposing of trash without a license.
on August 15,2013 | 06:53PM
false wrote:
I may be wrong, but I thought you could only convict someone of murder if the act was premeditated. I don't believe there was any evidence presented that supports that. Acquittal.
on August 15,2013 | 09:27AM
kk808 wrote:
I believe there are certain degrees of murder; premeditated murder is planning in advance to kill someone. Deedy did not go to McDonalds with the intent to kill Elderts so he is charged with second degree murder. I do think you are right though about the acquittal.
on August 15,2013 | 09:41AM
hanalei395 wrote:
An acquittal would be on the same level as the OJ acquittal.
on August 15,2013 | 11:10AM
control wrote:
nah, most people here don't care one way or the other. OJ had a following and there was some sympathy for OJ, esp from the black community. whatever happens to deedy it won't make a difference to most.
on August 15,2013 | 11:35AM
hanalei395 wrote:
OJ was charged with murder. And OJ got away with murder. .... Deedy is charged with murder. And Deedy may get away with murder.
on August 15,2013 | 12:32PM
control wrote:
yeah, sure.
on August 15,2013 | 12:42PM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Yeah, sure"? ... Are you an OJ fan?
on August 15,2013 | 01:00PM
hanalei395 wrote:
With murderers getting away with murder, Karma always steps into the picture.. ... OJ is in prison. And the principal subject in the "Massie Case", ... later committed suicide.
on August 15,2013 | 03:31PM
allie wrote:
not at all
on August 15,2013 | 12:14PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT Premeditaion can start anytime. Like going up to the table and asking someone if they wanna get shot.
on August 15,2013 | 11:23AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Imagine ........ somebody, like a Deedy supporter, sitting at a table, minding one's own business, and then some whacko comes up and asks ...."Wanna get shot"? (This whacko REALLY wants to murder somebody)
on August 15,2013 | 02:53PM
Peacenik wrote:
evil drunken deedy went to town riding on his pony....blah blah blah.
on August 15,2013 | 06:12PM
allie wrote:
true..first degree murder is premeditated. Second degree murder is not but speaks to intentionality. Deedy is not guilty of any murder. Manaslaughter yes. Is he a bully? I have no idea as I don't know him. Was Elderts? many say he was from middle school on.
on August 15,2013 | 12:13PM
rysa wrote:
Wrong. In Hawaii, premeditated murder is second degree murder. Intent goes to whether the murder was premeditated. First degree murder is premeditated murder of 2 or more people, or of a law enforcement offer. Please people, if you're going to make statements like this, at least know what you're talking about instead of making things up out of thin air.
on August 15,2013 | 03:08PM
allie wrote:
inaccurate
on August 15,2013 | 04:28PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT rosa : you are correct.
on August 15,2013 | 05:01PM
808Warriors wrote:
Allie - again speaking without knowing the facts. Please see Hawaii Revised Statutes sec. 707-701 and 707-701.5. Murder in the first degree is if a person intentionally or knowingly causes the death of more than one person, a law enforcement officer, judge or prosecutor while in the performance of official duties, a witness, uses a hired killer or kills while imprisoned. Murder in the second degree is when a person intentionally or knowingly causes the death of another person. They both have the same mens rea or state of mind. The only difference is the result of the defendant's intentional or knowing conduct. Premeditation is not a required element of Hawaii law. Please stop posting false information that you tout to be accurate when in reality it is not.
on August 15,2013 | 09:48PM
tigerwarrior wrote:
Just today, Toby Stangel was sentenced to 3 life prison terms for murder and attempted murder. Keep in mind that his shooting spree wasn't premeditated in the sense that he had ill will towards the victims that he murdered or attempted to murder--since he knew none of these victims and had no motive other than the voices in his head telling him to shoot these people at random. Rather, Stangel was found guilty of reckless endangering. Deedy too could be found guilty of reckless endangering since he, after all, opened fire in a restaurant packed with people--if it can be proven that it was totally unnecessary to use deadly force--although I believe it's a very very long shot at this point in the trial.
on August 15,2013 | 05:12PM
sailfish1 wrote:
I think Stangel was convicted of murder 2 for the killing of the mother. Then there were other charges added on such as attempted murder of a police officer and reckless endangerment.
on August 15,2013 | 06:12PM
312guy wrote:
(2) In a prosecution for murder or attempted murder in the first and second degrees it is an affirmative defense, which reduces the offense to manslaughter or attempted manslaughter, that the defendant was, at the time the defendant caused the death of the other person, under the influence of extreme mental or emotional disturbance for which there is a reasonable explanation. The reasonableness of the explanation shall be determined from the viewpoint of a reasonable person in the circumstances as the defendant believed them to be.
on August 15,2013 | 09:40PM
312guy wrote:
irt tigerwarrior: that charge was not on the table to be considered
on August 15,2013 | 09:37PM
RichardCory wrote:
You're on the internet. There's a website called "Google." Perhaps you've heard of it? You know what Deedy is being charged with, and you know what state he's being charged in. Put two and two together, learn to use Google, and figure out what it means to commit second-degree murder in Hawaii. Not rocket science.
on August 15,2013 | 09:48AM
false wrote:
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on August 15,2013 | 10:13AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
false, you made my day. ;-)
on August 15,2013 | 11:02AM
hanalei395 wrote:
And just ruined Richard's day.
on August 15,2013 | 11:21AM
RichardCory wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on August 15,2013 | 11:15AM
Mythman wrote:
Baby shampoo?
on August 15,2013 | 11:23AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Which was ...Don't call Richard by his nickname and what he really is ... a Dick.
on August 15,2013 | 02:59PM
Mei mei wrote:
LOL!!
on August 15,2013 | 11:16AM
Mythman wrote:
The cream or the ointment?
on August 15,2013 | 11:22AM
Mypualani wrote:
At false oh for days , that was ovahlani.
on August 15,2013 | 11:25AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
So Richard, you spent all that time and energy patronizing us idiots acting as if we all had passed the bar already. Would it not have been easier to just give us the answer to our lambasting remarks? And you know, with the laws, statutes, regulations........you're right, it is not rocket science, sometimes it is much harder.
on August 15,2013 | 10:52AM
BigErn wrote:
Thanks for the info DickCory. Much appreciated.
on August 15,2013 | 11:01AM
XML808 wrote:
Murder in the 2nd degree is knowingly or intentionally causing the death of another person. So the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Deedy knew his actions would result in the death of another person or that he intended to cause the death of another person.
on August 15,2013 | 11:09AM
Mythman wrote:
And intention can mean split seconds before the act, not two hours before the act. This is the part that could, could result in something other than not guilty, unless self defense incorporates intent to kill to defend yourself. Anyone more learned know the answer to this?
on August 15,2013 | 11:25AM
Mypualani wrote:
From Deedy's own mouth came the words that he knew he was going to kill Elderts during the scuffle.
on August 15,2013 | 11:27AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Sorry, I didnt see that comment.
on August 15,2013 | 12:33PM
Mypualani wrote:
I did it was in the court room feed.
on August 15,2013 | 02:24PM
312guy wrote:
irt mypualani: he never said that, law enforcement officer are trained to stop the threat not to kill, and as we like to think that they (law enforcement) can shoot objects from a person hand well that is for Hollywood
on August 15,2013 | 04:44PM
Mypualani wrote:
Um yes he did.he said it had to do with his training because his friend who rushed Elderts was being beaten to death he just knew at that moment he had to shoot to kill. Watched it on the news feed.
on August 15,2013 | 05:05PM
pcman wrote:
IRT Mypualani on news feed. Correct. I saw that too.
on August 15,2013 | 09:32PM
pcman wrote:
IRT XML on 2nd degree, You are right. Deedy admitted, while on the stand, that he shot to kill Elderts, and he did just that. If he had no intention to kill, he would have shot Elderts in the gut, arm or leg and not in the chest.
on August 15,2013 | 09:28PM
Mythman wrote:
That might be why Futa substituted Deedy's alleged state of mind, you know, premeditated intent to bully locals?
on August 15,2013 | 11:20AM
allie wrote:
I notice that more and more people of every race out here are getting sick of the high crime from th homeless and traveling loco mocos who are bored and looking for touble. I expect a lot more gun action to protect families. Is it legal. Nobody cares. HPD cannot do their job so people will do the job themselves.
on August 15,2013 | 12:20PM
honopic wrote:
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on August 15,2013 | 01:16PM
hanalei395 wrote:
It won't be long when that indigenous Indian will go back where she came from. ... Outta here ...forever.
on August 15,2013 | 01:34PM
Shh wrote:
OMG...the race card again. She too much.
on August 15,2013 | 01:42PM
hanalei395 wrote:
allie always mentions it, reminds everybody she is indigenous, but "not the Hawaiians".
on August 15,2013 | 02:07PM
allie wrote:
I said peopel of all races hon..read the comment and stop inventing thigns.
on August 15,2013 | 04:33PM
hanalei395 wrote:
You said "Hawaiians were NOT indigeous to Hawaii". (allie is coming back with a stupid reply).
on August 15,2013 | 06:26PM
lee1957 wrote:
No Hawaiians, No Aloha. Right.
on August 15,2013 | 05:58PM
312guy wrote:
IRT allie: The Honolulu Police Department is doing a fine job at protecting the public, don't add comments to have people take the law into their own hands, not very responsible comment
on August 15,2013 | 04:48PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT all-lie, another typically illogical statement.
on August 15,2013 | 05:15PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT false: the prosecution called witnesses who heard Deedy and Elderts before the kick. Ms.Au not drinking that night testified o hearing Elderts yell out " we'll if you going shoot me f'n shoot me then" that is malice aforethought. He asked Elderts if he wanted to get shot. Premeditation was presented , but up to the jury to decide. Premeditation can develop anytime during the situation, but I think that is the closest it got. Deedy grabbing at his gun before the kick could be premeditation, but like I said it's up to the jury.
on August 15,2013 | 11:21AM
control wrote:
yes, it is up to the jury to determine what they saw in the "video". while you think you saw something or nothing it will be up to the jury to decide. someone mentioned on tv one night, the video isn't streaming. it isn't a continuous stream showing millisecond by millisecond of what happenned. the mcd's pictures are a series of photos taken every other second or every few seconds. the person also mentioned that in those missing periods, elderts could have started to move forward, prompting deedy to peform the (lame) kick. it also could be in those missing seconds that deedy did show his badge to elderts. yes, no facts other than deedy and west's testimony but at the same time the video cannot determine that it didn't happen because it wasn't a continuous stream. but as you mentioned, it will be up to the jury to decide.
on August 15,2013 | 11:33AM
palolosunrise wrote:
you missed her point when she quoted witnesses' testimonies, not the video.
on August 15,2013 | 12:46PM
Mypualani wrote:
Point taken control. You are right about that video.
on August 15,2013 | 02:33PM
control wrote:
ah, but is it enough to create reasonable doubt to the jury? that is the big question. to convict the jury must be beyond any reasonable doubt. while I see some doubt, others here do not see it that way.
on August 15,2013 | 03:44PM
Mypualani wrote:
Good question control. I guess we will see what the jury decides. This is like in the 80's "who shot Jr" from that show Dallas.
on August 15,2013 | 05:08PM
Shh wrote:
Exactly the same areas where i feel was premeditated as well. Deedy constantly reaching back to grab hold of his gun. That just tells you he just waiting for the moment to use it. And with Elderts responding to the shooting remarks. It's a natural response that people say when being threatened. Then just do it already! I would feel the same way if someone kept threatening me. Put yourself in the person's shoes and see how you would feel when being threatened.
on August 15,2013 | 01:29PM
Mypualani wrote:
If I was threatened like that under the influence I really don't know how I would react to be honest. Now sober I would put my hands to the sky and say you win, no need to shoot. But that's just me.
on August 15,2013 | 02:35PM
312guy wrote:
irt mypualani: i agree
on August 15,2013 | 04:51PM
hiloboy wrote:
Janice Futs's arrogance may allow Deedy to walk.
on August 15,2013 | 09:29AM
jayz43 wrote:
Agreed. She acted like a twit, now they must acquit.
on August 15,2013 | 10:07AM
Mythman wrote:
Johnny's immortal words echo.......
on August 15,2013 | 11:25AM
bluebowl wrote:
lol
on August 15,2013 | 04:47PM
808Warriors wrote:
Huge all or nothing gamble by Futa. Big mistake if he is acquitted of murder when the jury could have given him manslaughter.
on August 15,2013 | 09:52PM
Mypualani wrote:
Final arguments and then the jury will decide. I am going with GUITY!
on August 15,2013 | 09:31AM
Shh wrote:
Me too!
on August 15,2013 | 10:57AM
control wrote:
*yawn* shh, really? I wouldn't have guessed after all these weeks what your verdict would be.
on August 15,2013 | 11:26AM
Shh wrote:
hehe well no big surprise there! I call it like I seen it on the video and from the testimonies. I'm guessing you're not swaying the same way.
on August 15,2013 | 01:31PM
honopic wrote:
What is "GUITY" Mypulani? Is it anything like "AH QUIT" ?
on August 15,2013 | 01:17PM
Mypualani wrote:
No!
on August 15,2013 | 02:36PM
stingray65 wrote:
The worst they could get Deedy, involuntary manslaughter.. or walk away.
on August 15,2013 | 09:37AM
Mypualani wrote:
No not really, the judge gave her instructions to the jury about the laws. I wouldn't celebrate just yet.
on August 15,2013 | 11:28AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT stingray, manslaughter is not an option. Worse would be a hung jury, IMO.
on August 15,2013 | 05:18PM
Morimoto wrote:
No way he gets found guilty of murder. That means he walks. Dumb move by the prosecuter to not ask for a manslaughter option. I'm not sure what she's thinking.
on August 15,2013 | 09:43AM
Surfer_Dude wrote:
The judge just decided the out come of this case. Without the manslaughter option, no way he gets convicted of second degree murder.
on August 15,2013 | 09:49AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Also, the Prosecutor's Office was ok with not making manslaughter an option.
on August 15,2013 | 11:04AM
Jonas wrote:
Not the judge's fault. It is the prosecution's job to ask the judge to consider the manslaughter option. The prosecution didn't ask. The judge is not there to tell them how to prosecute the case.
on August 15,2013 | 01:35PM
808Warriors wrote:
That's not entirely true. Despite being asked or not, Judge Ahn had the option to sua sponte (on her on accord) to include the manslaughter charge and decided not to. DPA Futa should have included the charge and she is taking a huge gamble on this one.
on August 15,2013 | 09:58PM
Shh wrote:
Maybe they felt that it was unnecessary for Manslaughter. They might as well just go all the way for murder 2nd?
on August 15,2013 | 01:46PM
control wrote:
that might be a mistake because it doesn't allow the jurors a "middle" option. could end up like zimm case where some feel like convicting but have no other option if they don't believe it was murder 2.
on August 15,2013 | 03:45PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
When you have an LEO as the defendant, it's either Second Degree or nothing.
on August 15,2013 | 05:00PM
joseph007 wrote:
seems like posecutor and judge conspired or acquiesced with defense atty. shame
on August 15,2013 | 10:17AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Give me a break. Why you'd even think of this is the SHAME!!
on August 15,2013 | 10:54AM
kiragirl wrote:
A private attorney verses a public attorney. Why do you think attorneys work for the government? It is because they are inept and can't make it in the private sector. Futa is a classic example.
on August 15,2013 | 10:29AM
Mythman wrote:
Now, now, revealing little secrets like this will get you in trouble with the government......
on August 15,2013 | 11:27AM
false wrote:
Not only attorneys. Look at city/state employees. Where else could they work?
on August 15,2013 | 12:09PM
kiragirl wrote:
Ouch!
on August 15,2013 | 12:46PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT false, wow. In one fell swoop you denigrate tens of thousands of those qualified, honest dedicated workers. I bet you're an excellent worker without reproach. Must be one, to make a comment like that. False.
on August 15,2013 | 12:54PM
Mythman wrote:
Tens of thousands ... workers? What, like those millions of government workers who ran the Soviet Union and the so called Democratic Republic of Germany or like those who worked for the notorious party boss, Joseph Stalin? Or how about the tens of thousands government workers who control Cuba from up one side down the other. I would never defend our local government workers, not the ones I've had to deal with in business, education and law - they are arrogant priccs.....
on August 15,2013 | 01:56PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
And thus,the title of,Myth man.
on August 15,2013 | 05:15PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT Myth, I imagine there are hundreds of thousands of competent, honest workers in the private industry. Of course, not all private sector employees are as industrious and competent as you allude. There are also thousands of arrogant priccs in private business also.
on August 15,2013 | 05:38PM
false wrote:
Truth hurts, no??
on August 15,2013 | 03:57PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT false, no it doesn't hurt. I will still feel good cashing my 384 future paychecks. It will feel wonderful getting a free check (pension) indefinitely. LOL, false, I will toast to you 384 times in the future.Thanks for paying taxes. It does hurt your credibility by typing illogical opinions.Stop resorting to cliches. Use your logic. Are your neighbors, friends and relatives who happen to be government employees incompetent?
on August 15,2013 | 05:27PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
FWIW, I retired from the private sector after 32 years' service. So according to false, I was a competent worker. Now, as a government worker, I suck. Go figure.
on August 15,2013 | 05:57PM
jayz43 wrote:
"tens of thousands of those qualified, honest, dedicated workers." LOL...maybe half or less of them are what you claim.
on August 15,2013 | 11:49PM
312guy wrote:
IRT false: I'm a private business person and your comment about people and their way of providing a living for their families is just out of line.
on August 15,2013 | 04:56PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
If taxpayers pony up more maybe they can get some decent pay.
on August 15,2013 | 05:13PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT Nanakuli, I'm satisfied with my pay and benefits. I'm more interested in the people of Hawaii getting the services they need.
on August 16,2013 | 07:42AM
readergirl wrote:
That is kind of an incorrect remark. A private attorney wouldn't be able to represent the State in a criminal charge. Only the Defendants in criminal cases, State, Federal etc. have private attorneys (unless public defenders) but the State or Fed are bringing the charges so the attorneys work for State and Fed. They can't be private.
on August 17,2013 | 01:50PM
hawaiifivo wrote:
Futa loves pearl Necklaces
on August 15,2013 | 10:48AM
PTF wrote:
Sounds like a song from ZZTop.
on August 15,2013 | 10:54AM
false wrote:
But who'd be willing (or desperate enough) to give her one?
on August 15,2013 | 10:54AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
I'm pretty sure Futa has loved ones.
on August 15,2013 | 12:55PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT false, another illogical assumption and putdown.
on August 15,2013 | 05:40PM
Mypualani wrote:
Das kind of pilau don't you think?
on August 15,2013 | 05:11PM
wave1 wrote:
I do not understand how the judge can say there in not enough evidnce for manslaughter. If not enough for man slaugher than there cannot be enough for 2nd deg murder. So even if the jury decides 2nd deg, I would think the judge would (and can from my understanding) decide the jury is wrong, and would let Deedy walk. Is my thinking right? This case is messed up!
on August 15,2013 | 10:55AM
kuewa wrote:
Actually, that's not what ruled out manslaughter. The main reason it was ruled out is that neither the defense nor prosecution asked for this charge to be considered.
on August 15,2013 | 11:03AM
wave1 wrote:
Why would the prosecution done that? Are they that sure they will get a 2nd deg murder conviction?
on August 15,2013 | 11:17AM
control wrote:
apparently. even kaneshiro said the same thing.
on August 15,2013 | 11:21AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Only Second Degree Murder, because its a law enforcement officer, where a possible self defense is thrown in, if the jury acquits, then the killing would be deemed justified. You guys get it?
on August 15,2013 | 05:21PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
The Prosecutor's Office did not pursue manslaughter and opted for murder 2.
on August 15,2013 | 12:52PM
DAGR81 wrote:
Remember this when Kaneshiro comes around asking to be re-elected.
on August 15,2013 | 01:48PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT wave1 : because to understand anything you would have to understand how the law works, not an easy thing to do. The prosecutor has to have the elements for murder 2 and to present this to a jury. The elements for murder 2 has been met IMHO and Deedy's defense just didn't make it. Deey could have retreated when he caused the incident by walking over and asking a drunk guy if he wanted to get shot. " acting like that will get you shot" I think Deedy just wanted to put a little scare in Elderts, instead he got up and challenged Deedy and called him names, well the n word for Caucasians any way. Deedy kicks him. You see in defense cases you cannot assault a person and then when that person slaps your face and you fall down, you cannot kill that un armed guy with your gun.. That is the way the prosecution is going. Until Deedy threw the first kick, Elderts committed no crime until Deedy kicked him, then the defense says well he hit a federal officer. But didn't that federal officer hit Elderts first? Deedy's not on duty when he's out drinking, but on duty to protect someone who by his own account was not " feeling threatened".
on August 15,2013 | 05:22PM
hon2255 wrote:
This is not a murder conviction, looking at eveidence it is self defense ,the judge gave only two options
on August 15,2013 | 10:56AM
allie wrote:
agree..prosecution seems incompetent
on August 15,2013 | 12:14PM
IMVHOAgain wrote:
Good move, call Deedy the "bully" first because obviously they couldn't both be bullies. I think she just took the closing words right out of the mouth of the defense. Plan B...
on August 15,2013 | 11:01AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
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on August 15,2013 | 12:57PM
Mythman wrote:
the only logic local boy bullies follow is none - is that logical enough for you?
on August 15,2013 | 01:59PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Yes, local boy bullies. Saying all locals act that way is illogical, wouldn't you agree?
on August 15,2013 | 05:29PM
Copperroof57 wrote:
It seems pretty clear that it was second degree murder. He killed someone. Something that really bothers me is that this "officer" went out drinking and had his weapon loaded and ready. Seems to me like the guy was looking for a fight. Shouldn't there be a law against law enforcement drinking and carrying their weapon?
on August 15,2013 | 11:04AM
control wrote:
yes and elderts was such an angel. no, there isn't a law against an officer carrying a weapon off duty an drinking. it might be company policy but no law. what really bothers me is that if elderts and medeiros weren't such pnks (security guard noticed when they first entered mcd's) and didn't start it all then maybe elderts might be alive. pretty clear that it isn't murder to many of us.
on August 15,2013 | 11:23AM
Mahalo wrote:
Being a PUNK is not against the law by itself. Punks tend to fight up and up and with fist and words. Deedy took it to another level he brought out the gun. He shoot the gun. He aimed to kill. Better choices, would have been to call 911, Elect the chock hold move that all officers are trained, shoot a foot or a hand? This is Waikiki, call 911 an officer suddenly appears. Mr. Deedy used excessive force plan and simple he was up against a mouth guy. I just hope Hawaii doesn't have to pay for another long drawn out trial again!
on August 15,2013 | 12:44PM
Shh wrote:
Exactly...if he wasn't intending to kill Elderts then why didn't he shoot him in the leg? Elderts wasn't holding a knife to someone for Deedy to have to shoot to kill. He must of really been drunk to think that the only option he had was to kill the guy who was no big threat. I seen some really violent scenes where it was necessary for on duty police to have to shoot a person and that video did not show any type of violence that needed a gun in there.
on August 15,2013 | 01:37PM
control wrote:
all officers have been trained to shoot center mass, even hpd. no guarantee a shot to the leg or arm will stop or slow down a suspect, especially if he seems to be intoxicated or on drugs as elderts was. show me how many times a hpd officer aimed and shot a person in the leg in a confrontation? trying to shoot for the leg is a myth and a fallacy. deedy had to act quickly, he didn't have time to aim for a leg but the biggest target.
on August 15,2013 | 03:52PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
All officers have been trained to shoot center mass, even HPD. This is in cases where suspect has a gun, knife or weapon and will kill the officer. If HPD was trained as control says, all Waikiki bars would have dead drunk patrons littering the sidewalks, this would include tourist.
on August 15,2013 | 05:30PM
312guy wrote:
IRT shh: yeah we did not see any part were agent Deedy is getting pounded on the ground
on August 15,2013 | 05:03PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
In Deedys word, he kicked Elderts, from a training session, then he sees the public getting beaten(Gutkowski his drunk friend),so he needed to act. Elderts would have been shot in the back.
on August 15,2013 | 05:26PM
pueohonua wrote:
Bingo!
on August 15,2013 | 03:08PM
control wrote:
deedy said that he heard the security guard call 911 but it happenned quickly, he felt the cops wouldn't be there in time. as for chock hold, we all saw that elderts winning the fight against deedy, deedy felt threatened and felt lethal force was needed.
on August 15,2013 | 03:48PM
allie wrote:
agree..but as I said, peopel out here of all races are getting sick of Eldert type peopel and you can expect more violence in teh future
on August 15,2013 | 04:35PM
808Warriors wrote:
From a presumed educated person, please proof read.
on August 15,2013 | 10:02PM
312guy wrote:
IRT mahalo: law enforcement are no longer trained to use the choke hold because it could lead to loss of life or serious injury like brain dead, and officers are not trained to to things out of hands or feet but I have seen officers shoot the ground in front of the target, aybe they were training to shoot the feet. must be something new.
on August 15,2013 | 05:01PM
Mythman wrote:
Did he have a round chambered? If not, incorrect to say "loaded". Was there a round in the chamber with the safety on or did he need to chamber a round manually first?
on August 15,2013 | 11:29AM
Copperroof57 wrote:
Im a little surprised at those who are defending an off duty federal agent who was drinking and shot a civilian. I mean guys are we really saying that a federal agent can start a fight with a civilian, and then shoot that civilian. Come on, I don 't like where this is going.
on August 15,2013 | 01:33PM
wave1 wrote:
Agree, and Deedy is lucky his two stray shots that missed target did not hit some young people minding their own business and having a good to at McD's.
on August 15,2013 | 11:29AM
allie wrote:
agree..he was irresponsible and reckless
on August 15,2013 | 12:18PM
Shh wrote:
That's exactly what it seemed like to me. Just what it says at the top.Bully with a badge.
on August 15,2013 | 11:04AM
mayihavesumor wrote:
I think Futa's characterization of Deedy as a bully is wrong. An arrogant Ahole, probably, but not a bully. Just another small indication of how she has mishandled this case.
on August 15,2013 | 11:08AM
imua67 wrote:
i also think that she a godd job ... she should have called him an arrogant killer.
on August 15,2013 | 12:47PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Whoever's decision it was to not allow a manslaughter decision will go down in Hawaii history as the stupidest attorney who ever lived.
on August 15,2013 | 11:15AM
wave1 wrote:
I just don't get it either. What's the harm for prosecution asking for a choice of 2nd or manslaughter. The 25 year old just got 10 years for killing someone with a car while driving drunk, Deedy shoots while drunk and walks.
on August 15,2013 | 11:31AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Not sure if the 25 year old girl could claim self-defense.
on August 15,2013 | 12:45PM
DAGR81 wrote:
Keith Kaneshiro
on August 15,2013 | 01:50PM
Mythman wrote:
I would have to dispute which one of them has earned that dubious award - I have some nominees.......
on August 15,2013 | 02:01PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
It's ironic to call Deedy a bully, when there was considerable evidence that Elderts himself first bullied the other guy in the restaurant. It's also pretty surprising, even perplexing, why the prosecution didn't ask for manslaughter to be included. I'd be surprised if Deedy doesn't walk.
on August 15,2013 | 11:16AM
control wrote:
shh, don't tell shh, kalaheo and hapaguy that. they will tell you otherwise.
on August 15,2013 | 11:25AM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
True
on August 15,2013 | 11:32AM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
Which part? The bullying part? The McD's worker said she saw and heard Elderts repeatedly asking the other guy, "may I help you? May I help you?", so much so that the McD's worker had to ask them to stop picking on the guy. That's just plain evidence there.
on August 15,2013 | 11:36AM
control wrote:
I agree with you, just that others that I mentioned don't see it that way.
on August 15,2013 | 11:45AM
palolosunrise wrote:
don't forget witnesses' testimonies saying that Deedy kept asking Eldert's if "he wanted to get shot". That sounds like bullying to me more so than someone being a smart ass and saying, "can I help you can I help you?"
on August 15,2013 | 12:48PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
"Elderts was just peacefully sitting and waiting for his food when big bad Deedy walked up and kicked him and shot him dead. Elderts was defending himself..."
on August 15,2013 | 11:35AM
Anonymous wrote:
Please do some research before you post. Totally wrong...
on August 15,2013 | 12:47PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT Anonymous, I guess you didn't recognize the sarcasm.
on August 15,2013 | 05:50PM
lee1957 wrote:
Sarcasm dude.
on August 15,2013 | 06:01PM
allie wrote:
Elderts was a bully. Even his parents admit that
on August 15,2013 | 12:15PM
pcman wrote:
IRT allie on bully. You can beat the heck out of a bully and get charged with assault and battery. Or you can shoot the bully and get charged with murder.
on August 15,2013 | 09:58PM
Mythman wrote:
Mr Elderts didn't respect authority otherwise once warned he should have said something like, "you got me, Man" and moved on to the next confrontation later that evening. Agent Deedy miscalculated and was unprepared for the escalation. He killed because it escalated into a struggle for the weapon, it looks like. Maybe the position of the weapon wasn't completely under the agent's own control, it would seem so, and this is why he shot him in the deadly region, what they call dead center in the game of death.....
on August 15,2013 | 02:04PM
Mythman wrote:
I don't know why, but the SA's coverage of this story is so threadbare as to raise serious questions about the chops of the SA to handle stuff like this well? And what was it that the judge instructed the jury as to law, as alluded to by this quote: "Before Futa began her closing statement, Circuit Judge Karen Ahn instructed the jury on the law that they must apply to their determination of what happened in the shooting."
on August 15,2013 | 11:19AM
control wrote:
maybe because the SA is nothing more than a second rate newspaper?
on August 15,2013 | 11:25AM
allie wrote:
was that ever in doubt hon?
on August 15,2013 | 04:36PM
wave1 wrote:
Did not deedy threated to shoot Elderts "in the face". This is not self defense. Deedy is lucky his two missed shots did not hit a couple of young people out minding their own business and having a good time. If Deedy wants to be prepared to arrest people while he is drunk out on the town, why did he not have hand cuffs on him?
on August 15,2013 | 11:21AM
lee1957 wrote:
Seems like the prosecutor's case has hinged on sobriety and inexperience, now they are just contributing factors and the main reason is Deedy is a bully with a badge.
on August 15,2013 | 11:32AM
Mythman wrote:
Good points, a shifting story is really no story......
on August 15,2013 | 02:06PM
scooters wrote:
They've got the wrong Judge sitting on this trial.
on August 15,2013 | 11:43AM
kailua000 wrote:
Bully with Badge meets Moke with Mouth. Prosecution should have left other options on the table. There was no intent to kill.
on August 15,2013 | 11:48AM
control wrote:
that is funny, moke with mouth.
on August 15,2013 | 12:02PM
Anonymous wrote:
Not moke with a mouth, more like joke with a mouth
on August 15,2013 | 12:49PM
control wrote:
no, more like dead man walking, or just dead man.
on August 15,2013 | 03:53PM
Mypualani wrote:
Well we all gonna die sometime. Making jokes about others death that's just mean and Pilau. Better watch something like this does not happen to someone you love or care about. And don't give me that pnk stuff good people die just like the bad ones.
on August 15,2013 | 05:36PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
Well put! That should be the name of the inevitable show on Lifetime based on the event.
on August 15,2013 | 12:03PM
allie wrote:
loco mocos love to gang up on victims they can pumel. But they may think twice now as I see more people getting guns out here. Legal or not I expect to see more self protection.
on August 15,2013 | 12:16PM
Mythman wrote:
Conceal carry - Washington, stay away from gun control......
on August 15,2013 | 02:07PM
Shh wrote:
LOL oh well...but apparently the Bully with Badge feels he needed a gun to handle what was coming out of Moke's mouth. Geez. He cannot handle and he WAS an Agent.
on August 15,2013 | 01:39PM
control wrote:
well, he was losing the fight with elderts.
on August 15,2013 | 03:54PM
Mypualani wrote:
Was he losing the fight?
on August 18,2013 | 10:13PM
salsacoquibx wrote:
with only two options for the jury its acquittal..unless the state can prove that Deedy planned the murder...Maybe the Feds did a deal with the state cause NO procecutor is that stupid..or are they?
on August 15,2013 | 12:11PM
808Warriors wrote:
Under Hawaii law, the state need not prove that a defendant planned to kill someone. The state need only prove that a defendant either intentionally or knowingly caused the death of someone.
on August 15,2013 | 10:07PM
stogie002 wrote:
SO now the prosecution has lowered themselves to name calling. Amazing.
on August 15,2013 | 12:20PM
Anonymous wrote:
Just like the George Zimmerman case... desperate times calls for desperate measures...
on August 15,2013 | 12:50PM
Mypualani wrote:
In this case there are unbiased witnesses and video though not the best, video never the less oh and a jury that's not all white wahine s
on August 15,2013 | 05:38PM
Peacenik wrote:
put the the pipe down and back away slowly.
on August 15,2013 | 06:20PM
Mypualani wrote:
You first !
on August 18,2013 | 10:13PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
I'm so disappointed with the prosecutor in this case---she was extremely weak in presenting the State's case---shame on Kaneshiro for allowing her to represent the State in this case.
on August 15,2013 | 12:43PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
Futa was so disorganized in her thoughts and forgetful as she stumbles to remember names and incidents.
on August 15,2013 | 12:52PM
Mypualani wrote:
She was stumbling a lot
on August 15,2013 | 05:38PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
It was hard not to notice it-----but then did you take notice at how polished Blanke was as he led the jury through the defense's side of events. Blanke was exceptional in his closing arguments and his elocution was superb. I still feel Deedy is guilty of murdering Elderts, but at this point I'm hoping for a hung jury so the prosecution can retry him with a better prosecutor.
on August 15,2013 | 06:56PM
wave1 wrote:
Who is paying Deedy's legal fees? Should not the FEDS as Deedy says he was "on the job". Also, the customer Elderts was supposedly bothering, did he take the stand and if so, what did he say?
on August 15,2013 | 12:46PM
SueH wrote:
Such dramatic rhetoric, Ms. Futa! If Deedy was a "bully with a badge", then Elderts was a bully without one, as his past tract record has shown.
on August 15,2013 | 01:35PM
Peacenik wrote:
she's a bully without a clue.
on August 15,2013 | 08:49PM
Tarakian wrote:
It looks like the Star Advertiser is siding with the prosecutor..."bully with badge" Why not post what the defense stated in closing statements?
on August 15,2013 | 01:42PM
RonM wrote:
Most people with legal knowledge would call this involuntary manslaughter. The State could have made the case and Deedy would have been held accountable. The State over-reached.
on August 15,2013 | 01:44PM
localgirl2 wrote:
don't like any of what is happening. Deedy, maybe should have not gotten involved. It seems Elderts and his buddy were up to no good. As someone has said, been in trouble since middle school. Not a good rep and seems there are bullying instincts around. Going to Waikiki for a night of 'trouble' maybe not a good idea. There are those with brains who would stay out of trouble. Seems Elderts just didn't have the brains to keep his comments to himself. I bet he's always been the type to try to pick a beef. This was the time it cost him for a change, big time. Deedy, not sure on that one. Certainly NOT premeditated in any way. Just my humble opinion.
on August 15,2013 | 02:12PM
control wrote:
damned if he did, damned if he didn't. as an officer he felt an obligation to get involved as he felt a fight brewing. he (foolishly) thought he could intervene and stop it all. not knowing local customs didn't help.
on August 15,2013 | 03:56PM
gobows wrote:
Elderts decided to wrassle with a man with a gun. Bad decision.
on August 15,2013 | 02:30PM
HK888 wrote:
If Deedy didn't have a gun, he wouldn't have dared kicked a bigger person like Elderts. Until then there was trash talking but idn't things get physical from then on?
on August 15,2013 | 02:35PM
Mypualani wrote:
Elderts was not bigger.
on August 18,2013 | 10:15PM
gobows wrote:
Elderts needed to backoff when the gun came out. Just wasnt in the right state of mind to do the smart thing at that point. RIP
on August 15,2013 | 02:41PM
hikine wrote:
I agree, Elderts was warned but still kept at it. If I was presented with a gun to my face it's time to back down! Fist vs gun, no brainer.
on August 15,2013 | 08:15PM
gobows wrote:
I dont think Keith used his best prosecutor in this case. Too bad.
on August 15,2013 | 02:41PM
lawman1175 wrote:
Premeditation, intentionally, knowingly, recklessly. The state of mind when causing the death of another was never an issue in this case. Mr. Deedy intentionally fired his gun, which is known to cause death or serious bodily injury, at Mr. Elderts, causing the death. The true issue is whether Mr. Deedy was legally justified by Hawaii statutes to employ LETHAL force when he fired his gun at Mr. Elderts. The burden is placed upon the prosecution to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that lethal force was NOT justified in the shooting. If all 12 members agree, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Mr. Deedy was NOT justified the verdict will be GUILTY. If all 12 jurors agree there was some justification, then the verdict will be NOT GUILTY. Anything in between will cause a hung trial.
on August 15,2013 | 03:06PM
lawman1175 wrote:
Oops...mean hung jury not "trial".
on August 15,2013 | 03:08PM
tigerwarrior wrote:
This is the very reason why the jury must be given the third option to present the judge a manslaughter verdict.
on August 15,2013 | 05:23PM
pueohonua wrote:
The bottom line is that the Agent pulled out a "gun". There was no need for that kind of altercation. A simple call to HPD who would have been there in a matter of minutes. The Police Sub Station is located in Waikiki. Constant patrol is going on. This was an "isolated" incident that exacerbated things. Don't forget Deedy came to the islands with a preconceived notion that the "locals" were hostile people. If we were hostile, none of the Malihinis would be moving here in erodes. Deedy was reacting to a "local" like his preconceived notion that we are trouble. This is what prompted him to bring out his gun!
on August 15,2013 | 03:06PM
control wrote:
no, everyone knows that it takes more than a few seconds for hpd to get there. deedy felt he needed to intervene. as for the gun, depends on whose story you believe. deedy felt he had to use his gun because he was on the losing end of the fight with elderts. if elderts wasn't such a pnk then maybe he would be alive too. that is the bottom line. no h tones and deedy wouldn't have gotten involved.
on August 15,2013 | 04:00PM
mynah wrote:
this is a hung jury or not guilty, notwithstanding the fact that Deedy's conduct was reckless manslaughter. Most judges would instruct the jury on the law of manslaughter. The Judge is the law. Attorneys can propose intructions, but the judge is responsible to make sure the jury is properly charged with the applicable law.
on August 15,2013 | 03:08PM
Jerry_D wrote:
The federal government wheeled and dealed with the state...gave us something of value. In return, the state agrees to let Deedy off the hook. Challenge is to please the people and not make it look so obvious, so our very political prosecutor Kaneshiro takes the guaranteed conviction off the table, and tells Ahn, "You probably won't, but if you do convict him on murder, outstanding job! If not, that's okay. We've got this deal going..." Wouldn't have happened with Carlisle at the helm.
on August 15,2013 | 03:27PM
control wrote:
why not? you know carlisle that well? friend of his?
on August 15,2013 | 04:01PM
2NDC wrote:
Kaneshiro was ousted by Carlisle years ago. There was a reason why Kaneshiro was ousted. Unfortunately the people of Hawaii have a short memory and for whatever reason chose put an incompetent man back in the prosecutor's office. :-(
on August 15,2013 | 11:27PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT 2NDC: you are absolutely correct in your post.
on August 18,2013 | 10:19PM
entrkn wrote:
The prosecutor is probably calling Deedy's witnesses smug because they are always right...
on August 15,2013 | 03:43PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT entrkn, that must make SOME sense....to you.
on August 15,2013 | 05:43PM
Mypualani wrote:
Not to me, no sense at all.
on August 18,2013 | 10:19PM
cocobean wrote:
Why only murder and not manslaughter? Because the fix to acquit is in. The poor State cannot afford to rub it into the Fed's face so Ms. Futa got her marching orders. Neil knows how to play nice with the Big Boyzz!
on August 15,2013 | 03:51PM
allie wrote:
funny..he was a nothign "agent" on a nothing assignment
on August 15,2013 | 04:37PM
gobows wrote:
Any civil trial?
on August 15,2013 | 04:17PM
Mythman wrote:
Shame on them for playing to what they think is public opinion and the latest news in bringing this thing to trial instead of sticking to the letter of the law - they are not hired to address public opinion, are they?
on August 15,2013 | 04:26PM
312guy wrote:
Hawaii Revised Statutes 707-701.5 - Murder in the second degree Hawaii Revised Statutes > Division 5 > Title 37 > Chapter 707 > Part II > § 707-701.5 - Murder in the second degree Current as of: 2010 Check for updates (1) Except as provided in section 707-701, a person commits the offense of murder in the second degree if the person intentionally or knowingly causes the death of another person. (2) Murder in the second degree is a felony for which the defendant shall be sentenced to imprisonment as provided in section 706-656.
on August 15,2013 | 04:37PM
gobows wrote:
not guilty. he wasnt knowingly trying to kill him. just stop the threat
on August 15,2013 | 05:15PM
pcman wrote:
IRT gobows on the threat. While on the stand, Deedy said he was shooting to kill. That's why he shot Elderts in the chest and not in the gut or limbs.
on August 15,2013 | 10:07PM
gobows wrote:
Try grabbing someone's gun while he's holding it at you....guess what? you gonna get shot. Not guilty
on August 15,2013 | 05:13PM
gobows wrote:
Not guilty
on August 15,2013 | 05:14PM
312guy wrote:
agent deedy : not guilty!
on August 15,2013 | 05:23PM
2NDC wrote:
Bruddah is gonna walk. Weak prosecution case should have never seen the inside of a courtroom. Deedy defended himself when he and his friend were attacked by Elderts and Mederios.
on August 15,2013 | 05:39PM
Adam1105 wrote:
The truth is (just my opinion, of course) the prosecution WANTS Deedy to go free. They "gave it their best effort" blah blah blah.
on August 15,2013 | 06:45PM
DA_HANDSOME_CHINAMAN wrote:
When you bring a gun with you, you are looking for trouble. He wanted to kill a local boy and he did. And I would say "yes", it was planned. He is a murderer. He smiles and laughs because he thinks and may well get away with murder behind that badge. How about that?
on August 15,2013 | 07:50PM
Peacenik wrote:
oh yeah he tole you dat. kinda full yourself aren't ya?
on August 15,2013 | 08:51PM
50skane wrote:
Futa should not have been the prosecutor in this case. She doesn't seem to have the experience or the knowledge of the law to make a sound case against Deedy. She tries to bring up things leading up to the shooting that are irrelevant as to when the actual shooting occured. The jury is only going to look at two things: 1) did Deedy fear for his life or the life of his friends when he fired and was there enough facts to believe that he reasonably did, and 2) did Deedy kill Elderts because he wanted to out of anger or being so intoxicated he couldn't make a rational assesment of what was really happening he killed Elderts and did not believe that his life was in danger... If it is number 1, then Deedy walks free, self defense..if 2, then Deedy gets convicted for murder..I think he is going to walk because the prosecutor screwed up so bad it's not even funny!!!
on August 15,2013 | 07:51PM
hikine wrote:
Law Enforcement do no 'walk away' from a scene, they are on duty 24/7! The prosecutor is wrong, what happens if Elderts kept having his rage and he himself kill or maim another? What then? Elderts seemed like he had racial issues.
on August 15,2013 | 08:00PM
localguy wrote:
More like "Rent A Cop" and a badge.
on August 15,2013 | 08:15PM
jrboi96786 wrote:
I can see him being guilty on man slaughter... But since the judge ruled that out of the option, there is no way Deedy will be found guilty on murder. The prosecutor set themselves up. I'm no lawyer but I don't see how this will be considered murder when Deedy had no intention of killing the man before and during the incident. Man slaughter, no doubt but murder, no way.
on August 15,2013 | 09:48PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
At least you can see things clearly.
on August 16,2013 | 01:01AM
McB0B wrote:
So guys, let's say your sister, mother, wife or any other significant person in your life is being pestered by some bully and there was a man there who could intervene or walk away. They aren't technically a crime victim under the statutes but they're being treat rudely with implied menace. Would you want that nearby man to walk away or would you want him to intervene? Do you want him to shoot the guy? No, but surely you don't expect him to die if the bully decides to attack him.
on August 16,2013 | 01:18AM
readergirl wrote:
McBOB I agree with you, I would hope someone, especially if that someone was an HPD officer or agent like Deedy to intervene and help me or my mom or my daughter.
on August 17,2013 | 01:44PM
swagger wrote:
He didn't help anyone get the facts straight, the customer felt more threaten by the coward who pull out a gun.
on August 17,2013 | 06:51PM
Mypualani wrote:
Thank you!
on August 18,2013 | 10:23PM
kkelli4u wrote:
Christopher Deedy, should be acquitted, doesn’t mean it’s a win win situation/all around it’s lose lose/real sad! Most Hawaii Residents drunk or sober/ignores law enforcement! When one identifies himself, Kollin and Shane was the aggressor’s, unfortunately, under the circumstances Agent Deedy shot Elberts in self defense, bottom line, only doing his job in protecting the public from bullies like Kollin and Shane, manslaughter is not an option/our prosecutor had nothing backing her statement/look into why Mr. Kaneshiro did not speak at this trial! Because he knew this case should be acquitted! Mainland people are more knowledgeable then Hawaii people very little expose to the world! Now as for Shane he should have been arrested for assault, what’s up with that! Bias This is a lesson, to learn, when someone call’s out for help as the prosecutor stated “walk away”.
on August 19,2013 | 09:29AM
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