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Jury in Deedy murder trial ends deliberations for the day

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 03:24 a.m. HST, Aug 20, 2013


The jury in State Department special agent Christopher Deedy’s murder trial ended their first full day of deliberations without reaching a verdict Monday.

They are scheduled to resume deliberations Tuesday at 9 a.m.

The panel of eight men and four women is faced with deciding whether Deedy should be found guilty of murder or acquitted for shooting Kollin Elderts at the Kuhio Avenue McDonald’s restaurant early Nov. 5, 2011.

The jury deliberated for more than two hours Thursday afternoon before recessing for the Admission Day weekend. Today, they started at about 9:30 a.m. and deliberated with a break for lunch until about 4 p.m.

Deedy, 29, of Arlington, Va., who was here to provide security for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference, is charged with shooting Elderts, 23, of Kailua, without justification.

Deedy’s defense is that he fired his 9 mm Glock to protect himself and a friend.

The high-profile trial included 20 days of testimony over a span of five weeks.







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HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
What you guys think - verdict today?
on August 19,2013 | 09:54AM
hanalei395 wrote:
If this case winds up like "The Massie Case", it will be known in the future as "The Deedy Case".
on August 19,2013 | 10:03AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
It is already known as "The Deedy Case". Sorry, couldnt resist.
on August 19,2013 | 11:15AM
hanalei395 wrote:
But not YET as INFAMOUS like "The Massie Case". .......Got it?
on August 19,2013 | 11:43AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
I was just messin with you Hanalei. You will probably be right as any case that brings about a new form of prejudicism or civil rights biases.....
on August 19,2013 | 11:57AM
eoe wrote:
Get ready to man the barricades.
on August 19,2013 | 04:45PM
hiloboy wrote:
Hope so. Too bad manslaughter is not an option. Deedy is guilty of killing an unarmed man.
on August 19,2013 | 10:34AM
Shh wrote:
Guilty
on August 19,2013 | 10:36AM
aomohoa wrote:
The defense did a better job than the prosecutor, so I doubt it.
on August 19,2013 | 05:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
Good question. I doubt it though. Too much things they have to review and argue over. If it's anything like this blog, God help us.
on August 19,2013 | 12:18PM
Mypualani wrote:
My guess is 1-2 more days, lot of sorting out to do. They need to separate the facts from supposition and theories,opinion. Lot of work.
on August 19,2013 | 05:58PM
Randz808 wrote:
Guilty! Faka was armed while consuming alcohol...that's a big "no, no"!
on August 19,2013 | 08:17PM
kawikakoike96819 wrote:
Although I think he is guilty, I feel that the jury will find him innocent.
on August 19,2013 | 09:57AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
That is my sense as well.
on August 19,2013 | 10:33AM
kailuabred wrote:
There's a big difference between innocent and not guilty
on August 19,2013 | 10:39AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Well said. I don't think they will convict.
on August 19,2013 | 10:58AM
Mypualani wrote:
I think it's 50/50 on this.
on August 19,2013 | 06:31PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
He appears to be guilty as charged, but it has been rigged by the attorneys and it is most likely that the Jury will let him get away with murder.
on August 19,2013 | 02:19PM
Poipounder808 wrote:
How you figure it was rigged by the attorneys??? It is the way the law is written and what options were given to the jury. The evidence is just not there to convict as charged.
on August 19,2013 | 02:30PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT Poipunder808. You say not enough evidence, how so? Just looking for your opinion on this not looking to argue.
on August 19,2013 | 06:34PM
droid wrote:
That's easy, Poipounder808. The prosecutor declined to ask for manslaughter. Pretty arrogant of her. Deedy killed an unarmed man who was minding his own business before Deedy provoked him and thus should be punished for it. I think everyone can agree on that. But was he guilty of murder? That depends whether Deedy feared for his life because Elderts was on top of him and basically whooping his arse. What do you think?
on August 19,2013 | 11:57PM
aomohoa wrote:
It has nothing to do with being "rigged". That was a silly comment. It's how well they present the evidence that will sway the jury.
on August 19,2013 | 05:04PM
aomohoa wrote:
You are so right on that.
on August 19,2013 | 05:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
Manslaughter would have been easier for sure, but the elements of the charges do not fall into that crime.
on August 19,2013 | 05:28PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
I'm hoping Guilty, but I strongly believe it'll be a hung jury. I highly doubt innocence even though the defense did a great job---in my opinion, the video & unbiased testimony of Byrd was too strong for the defense to overcome.
on August 19,2013 | 05:46PM
Mypualani wrote:
I agree with you on that.
on August 19,2013 | 05:59PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
If the jury comes back as a hung jury, then hopefully the Prosecutor will put their best prosecutor on the case. Then we'll see how deep Deedy's pockets are, as the first trial must have done some serious financial damage to his resources---will he have enough financial resources for Hart, his legal team and their expert witnesses?---remember they all charge per hour, win or lose.
on August 19,2013 | 06:38PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
No such thing as innocent. It's either guilty or Not guilty. Only a baby is innocent.
on August 19,2013 | 08:39PM
kukui_nut wrote:
Deedy shouldn't have gotten involved but if he ID-ed himself, Elderts should have backed off.
on August 19,2013 | 10:02AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Backed off" even when kicked?
on August 19,2013 | 10:25AM
kukui_nut wrote:
If ID'ed as Fed Gov't Agent, then yes, even when kicked. If not, all bets are off. Personally have a problem with Deedy pulling trigger knowing bystanders are around. Even if shooting up into ceiling, bullet could ricochet off a pipe. Are Fed's required to "carry" when off duty (I didn't follow trial every day)?
on August 19,2013 | 10:59AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"IF" ID'ed. .... NOBODY but Deedy and his friend's GF knows that, IF she's telling the truth. That's because NO ONE ELSE in the resturant heard him say he was a so-called "Fed Gov't Agent". And Deedy APPROACHED Elderts to kick him, feeling brave because he was packing a weapon, looking for trouble but was shocked when Elderts actually fought back. Deedy admitted it himself when he said on the stand that it was an "Oh No! moment".
on August 19,2013 | 11:39AM
Poipounder808 wrote:
The video I saw showed him flashing an ID.
on August 19,2013 | 02:32PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Just Deedy, his friends GF ..?, and the camera. ... But .. NOBODY else IN the resturant .. saw that, nor .. HEARD ... him say that he was a so-called Fed agent.
on August 19,2013 | 02:49PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Oops ...restaurant ....
on August 19,2013 | 04:10PM
sailfish1 wrote:
If it was on video, why are so many people questioning it? A video doesn't lie.
on August 19,2013 | 07:42PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
I did not see a badge on any video. Which one plez and at what time frame?
on August 19,2013 | 08:41PM
droid wrote:
Would you like to give the timeframe when this occurred? This video has been posted online on at least four different news sites. I never saw a "flash."
on August 20,2013 | 12:02AM
Randz808 wrote:
Bottom line is...if he was packing, he shouldn't have been drinking!
on August 19,2013 | 08:20PM
mountainhi wrote:
drinking n packing...not good...GUILTY
on August 19,2013 | 10:24AM
Shh wrote:
I agree - Guilty
on August 19,2013 | 10:34AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Guilty
on August 19,2013 | 02:13PM
Popeye wrote:
DRUNK, MAIJUANA, COCAINE AND BEING A KNOWN BULLY HOTHEAD WITH HISTORY OF TROUBLE - JUST A BAD COCKTAIL THAT IS NO GOOD!
on August 19,2013 | 08:05PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
DRUNK!!BIG HEAD,UNTRAINED AND DISREGARDING FEDERAL PROCEDURES ALSO BEING A BULLY WITH FRAT BROTHER AT MCDONALDS IS A BAD COCKTAIL! OR MAYBE A BAD SIX PACK,OR PACKING,OR JET LAG,AH TAKE YOUR PICK POPEYE.
on August 19,2013 | 08:44PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Based on facts, not guility of murder 2 even tho this whole affair could have been avoided by both Deedy and Elderts. No winners, folks. The best the prosecutor can hope for is a hung jury so they can try him again on manslaughter which is more doable.
on August 19,2013 | 10:34AM
Shh wrote:
If not guilty then hope for hung jury!
on August 19,2013 | 10:37AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
If hung jury, gotta go back with Murder 2. Cannot re- trial with Manslaughter option.
on August 19,2013 | 02:15PM
aomohoa wrote:
They are taking a long time. I think it will be a hung jury.
on August 19,2013 | 05:05PM
Mypualani wrote:
There is a lot of things for the jury to sort through. Could be hung and then they can get a competent prosecutor to prosecute. Watching her cross at times was painful.
on August 19,2013 | 06:02PM
Peacenik wrote:
Irregardless of verdict, hope the prosecution will put Medeiros on trial for his huge part in this mess. May this case and the Kalaheo shooting case make parents more aware of the need for correct parenting and the people of Hawaii to stop accepting fighting, illegal drug ingestion as innocent Local style culture.
on August 19,2013 | 10:52AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Thank you. Good points. Medeiros should definately have some area of blame and a part in this.
on August 19,2013 | 11:19AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Deedy admitted, confessed on the stand that THERE WAS NO CRIME THAT WAS COMMITTED .... BEFORE ..... he kicked Elderts.
on August 19,2013 | 12:00PM
Shh wrote:
That's because he is guilty!
on August 19,2013 | 12:33PM
Popeye wrote:
MEDERIOUS LIED ABOUT NOT SEEING THE BADGE! STILL BACKING UP HIS DEAD FRIEND TO SAVE FACE. HE RAN. DON'T REMEMBER SEEING HIM IN THE VIDEO AFTER ELDERTS WAS SHOT AND BLEEDING OUT ON THE FLOOR.
on August 19,2013 | 08:11PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Popeye, a drunk threatens to shoot you and a friend. He shoots your friend, ahhhh ,you hang around? That makes me think that Mederios did not know or believe Deedy was an agent.
on August 19,2013 | 08:47PM
Popeye wrote:
I think he abandoned his friend while he layed dying on the floor.. No one proved Deedy was drunk even the Dr. at Queens ER said he was not drunk. And he showed both of them his federal ID. I guess if Deedy was HPD in full uniform Elderets might of backed down but based on his history I don't think so.
on August 20,2013 | 05:03PM
chryw8 wrote:
was medeiros even arrested for assault? and btw, "irregardless" is a non-standard american english word; "regardless" is sufficient.
on August 19,2013 | 12:14PM
Peacenik wrote:
tanks, but i neveh go punahoe.
on August 19,2013 | 12:32PM
kukui_nut wrote:
Regardless / irregardless, ida way, we no wat u ment.
on August 19,2013 | 12:38PM
kiragirl wrote:
Most people don't know that. Whenever I hear irregardless, because it sounds funny, I mention it to the person using it.
on August 19,2013 | 04:43PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT Peacenik: I think you may be on to something there. Medeiros made things worse. Maybe he should have been....nah I can't go there. He didn't help when said what he said to Perrine, they should have just left him alone.
on August 19,2013 | 12:29PM
hanalei395 wrote:
One thing led to another. Another meaning this was a "good' time for him to put into effect of what he heard from a colleage who told him about "locals". So, Deedy then goes up to Elderts, who was sitting at a table minding his business, waiting for his food, and asks Elderts ....."Wanna get shot?" ........One thing led to another ...ending with Deedy becoming a murderer.
on August 19,2013 | 01:17PM
Peacenik wrote:
you're hopeless.
on August 19,2013 | 03:07PM
kiragirl wrote:
The comment Deedy made is incriminating too when he said "I got myself in an Oh No situation".
on August 19,2013 | 04:45PM
aomohoa wrote:
Did they ever prove he said that?
on August 19,2013 | 05:08PM
hanalei395 wrote:
He said that ...on the stand, under oath.
on August 19,2013 | 07:39PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Gutkowski looked more drunk then Mederios. I think Gutkowski actually ignited the fight.
on August 19,2013 | 02:17PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
DD kicks Elderts, Gutkowsi and DD gets in Elderts face, Mederios is still watching. DD and Gutkowski is in Elderts face and a scuffle ensues. Now Mederios comes to the rescue of a 3 on 1 (DD,Gutkowski and GF) against Elderts. DD tries to side kick Elderts at which time he is caught and flipped by Elderts(not enough superb fed.training). Elderts could have mounted DD at this time, but he walks away. He pulls Mederios off Gutkoski. You see that on the video. DD is yelling"Im going to shoot you". Elderts tries to defend himself, too late,DD is firing recklessly, missing , but shoots Elderts in the chest. It's all on video.
on August 19,2013 | 02:42PM
Popeye wrote:
AGREE THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE INTERVENED WAY BEFORE THIS HAPPENED AND SOUGHT PROFESSIONAL EVALUATION AND TREATMENT.
on August 19,2013 | 08:08PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Popeye is a new poster. Some one from SupportDD dot com.
on August 19,2013 | 08:49PM
Mypualani wrote:
He's irking. And loud looking for attention
on August 20,2013 | 08:40PM
51butterflies wrote:
Popeye Deedy should take the time to learn and to respect other cultures and the way they do things. Deedy has a history that will now follow him. If Deedy had done so many things differently and not misjudged people of Hawaii, another human being (Elderts)would still be alive, to get a chance to turn his life around. Deedy is not free of guilt. Deedy shares the blame for that tragic event.
on August 19,2013 | 09:58PM
Popeye wrote:
Elderts has a history that will probably help find Deedy innocent. As far as culture, Elderts was an alcohol and illegal drug abuser along with a history of problems with the law. If that is what you mean about respect and culture you need to really look in the mirror and evaluate what you think and say!
on August 20,2013 | 05:09PM
Mypualani wrote:
I don't think the verdict will come anytime soon, the Jury has a lot of work to do here. Bare in mind this case is very difficult, I have my own bias on this case, but would not want to be on this jury at all.
on August 19,2013 | 12:10PM
lawman1175 wrote:
My thougths exactly.
on August 19,2013 | 12:14PM
aomohoa wrote:
Ditto
on August 19,2013 | 05:08PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Whatever verdict these jurors come to, we all owe them a big debt of gratitude for doing their duty and making this hard decision... even if it's a hung jury.
on August 19,2013 | 07:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
IRT Kalaheo1: here here. Yes the jury deserves much respect no matter the verdict, they were in that court room, doing a civic duty.
on August 19,2013 | 09:22PM
lawman1175 wrote:
With what information was shared via the media, it is difficult to come to a quick resounding decision based upon fact only and that does not contain personal biases. The jurors had the ability to not only hear the evidence and testimony, but also watch how each witness testified. That helps them have an overall sense of how much weight be given to an individuals account of what they saw, heard, or experienced. My insignificant oppinion is this was NOT a justified shooting. Yes, I would sure hope an off-duty law enforcement officer intervenes in a potentially violent situation. However, I just can't see the justification in using a gun in this situation.
on August 19,2013 | 12:13PM
Mypualani wrote:
lawman1175: that is true we only saw/ read small snip it's concerning the court proceedings, the jury on the other hand well they have a big job ahead. I still think Deedy shooting and killing Elderts was not justified. Or a righteous shoot, as his support website stated.
on August 19,2013 | 12:24PM
Ruthie wrote:
I believe that agent Deddy shouldbe found not guilty.I cannot see any agent or police officer should turn their backs away from any trouble. Off duty police officers should not turn their backs too. If you look around at football games then you will know whatImean.
on August 19,2013 | 12:50PM
Mypualani wrote:
This case isn't about turning your back. It's about a person who was told that locals hate white people and the Feds. It's about a special security agent who went bar hopping with his friends and ended up at McDonalds. All Deedy succeeded in doing was making things worse and killing an un- armed man, whom he threatened to shot moments before.
on August 19,2013 | 01:18PM
hanalei395 wrote:
If you had been following the case, you would know that Deedy STARTED the trouble.
on August 19,2013 | 01:25PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
If he was carrying a gun, there's a good chance he was carrying a cell phone too. He could have/should have called 911 instead of killing Elderts.
on August 19,2013 | 02:17PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
So at football games like UH, a firearm should be an option?
on August 19,2013 | 02:20PM
Recce wrote:
With all due respect, Boss, HPD does carry firearms when they are on special duty at UH games ... or when directing traffic at a funeral ... or at the Punahou Carnival. So, yes, it is and should be an option.
on August 19,2013 | 07:18PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Recce with all due respect, I never heard of an officer shooting an unarmed person at UH or Punahou carnival, even when someone was being assaulted.
on August 19,2013 | 08:50PM
Recce wrote:
I never argue with the Boss ... and I agree -- I haven't heard of anyone being shot at the carnival or game but that wasn't your question. Your question was: should a firearm be an OPTION at football games like UH? And the answer, obviously, is "yes" because the cops wear guns there so it IS an option isn't it? Or, Boss, are you saying that HPD should NOT wear their sidearms at UH football games? If, as you seem to imply, a firearm should NOT be an option at UH football games, then perhaps you should lobby the legislature to pass a law taking away the "firearm at football games" option.
on August 20,2013 | 01:54AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
The prosecutor and defense attorney got together and set it up for a not guilty verdict. Things would have been different in this murder case if the killer had not been a federal security guard, I'm sure.
on August 19,2013 | 02:16PM
Peacenik wrote:
i told you to knock it off hanalei. we know KH not that toopid.
on August 19,2013 | 03:10PM
copperwire9 wrote:
I don't always agree with you, but generally I think you kinda sorta make sense. Then there's today...
on August 19,2013 | 05:13PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Deedys defense is he fired his Glock 9 mm to protect him and his friend after he first kicked the victim, then started losing the physical fight that he had started.
on August 19,2013 | 02:30PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
In other words ,yellow coward action.
on August 19,2013 | 02:31PM
Peacenik wrote:
yeah yellow innocent coward.
on August 19,2013 | 03:12PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
So peacenik does admit DD is a yellow coward,thxs.
on August 19,2013 | 06:56PM
Peacenik wrote:
yeah braddah was real ikaika, li dat. maybe can erect one stature of him in nanakuli somewhere.
on August 19,2013 | 09:10PM
kiragirl wrote:
The longer deliberations take, make it lean toward a guilty or not guilty verdict?
on August 19,2013 | 04:48PM
swagger wrote:
Guilty!!
on August 19,2013 | 05:23PM
Peacenik wrote:
innocent, decided already. just don't want to look like they reached the decision so early. scared the lolo's for elederts going riot.
on August 19,2013 | 09:14PM
Mypualani wrote:
huh?
on August 20,2013 | 01:09AM
tigerwarrior wrote:
There's no exact science to predict whether a defendant is guilty or not guilty if the only variable upon which to base such a prediction is the duration of jury deliberations. For example if we were to look at some other high-profile cases: Casey Anthony, O.J. Simpson, and George Zimmerman were acquitted in 10 1/2 hours, 4 hours and 2 days respectively. You can contrast this with the Menendez brothers who were found guilty of first-degree murder after 4 days of jury deliberations. So much for short jury deliberations = guilty verdict.
on August 19,2013 | 05:29PM
cojef wrote:
Perhaps, the longer it takes means they are two factions, or there is a hold out, and he will not agree with the majority either way, guilty or acquittal, and thus, result in a hung jury. The issue is did Deedy commit a 2nd degree crime? It is easier to come to decision on the lesser charge of manslaughter unanimously as opposed to 2nd degree because evidence and testimony presented by the prosecution need not be beyond any reasonable doubt.
on August 19,2013 | 05:35PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Federal bodyguards for Diplomats have very limited law enforcement authority and the jurisdiction of their authority is also limited.

It appears to me that Deedy was exceeding his Federal authority as a Diplomat Bodyguard and was outside his jurisdiction at a McDonald's.
on August 19,2013 | 04:59PM
Heinbear wrote:
Just glad I am not on that jury! Both Deedy and Elberts did so many wrong things that night...like drinking while packing..telling an officer to shoot you and trying to take away his gun. I don't know if I could find Deedy guilty after reading the judge's instructions though.
on August 19,2013 | 04:59PM
swagger wrote:
A slap to the head and a spear tackle after Deedy kicked Kollin does not give him the right to use deadly force.
on August 19,2013 | 05:30PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Never heard of a spear tackle till this trial. Also DD never hear of the "eh we beef" term. This was implanted by Hart.
on August 19,2013 | 07:00PM
Mypualani wrote:
Nanakuliboss you are correct, sounds like something they would say just to make it more dramatic.
on August 20,2013 | 08:45PM
Clones82 wrote:
Just like Zimmerman, OJ, and Baretta - not guilty
on August 19,2013 | 05:16PM
312guy wrote:
i think madeiros should be held liable and the drug dealer that sold them the cocaine and the bars who sold thewm the beer, if they had been sober no one would have gotten kicked pounded etc... and shot. so not guilty, drug dealers bar owners and madeiros guilty
on August 19,2013 | 05:39PM
Peacenik wrote:
totally agree. how come they get off the hook? which bar allowed the cocaine sniffing. who provided the drugs? Medeiros was the one that broked the camel's back, though Eldert did his part to start the fire.
on August 19,2013 | 09:17PM
kainalu wrote:
A Federal Agent on a day off decides he's going to go out drinking. Previously, an associate advises him that the "locals" have an problem with his ethnicity. Deedy arms himself. It has been established that he did consume alcohol while armed, knowingly violating his Service's policy. After consuming alcohol, he observes a "local" verbally harassing someone with the same ethnicity as his. He intervenes, even though there's a security guard present. An altercation ensues, that results in Deedy shooting and killing an unarmed man. Will see what happens. That the deliberations are now going into their 3rd day bodes well for both, an acquittal or hung jury. A conviction usually comes quickly.
on August 19,2013 | 05:49PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
A conviction usually is delayed when the defendant is a law enforcement officer using the self defense, or it was me or him theory.
on August 19,2013 | 07:03PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
I got a feeling this guy will be found not guilty. He'll walk, but he and his family has been paying a helluvah price since the killing.
on August 19,2013 | 07:14PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
And the Elderts family? No?
on August 19,2013 | 08:52PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Why should anyone agree with you? You support rail!
on August 20,2013 | 02:04AM
2NDC wrote:
Bruddah is gonna walk. Futa failed!
on August 19,2013 | 07:23PM
nippy68 wrote:
although i agree with you 100%.
on August 19,2013 | 08:01PM
nippy68 wrote:
i hope a riot doesnt break out!!!!!!!
on August 19,2013 | 08:05PM
Mypualani wrote:
I don't think there will be a riot. Elderts and Deedy is not that important in the scheme of things. There are people paying attention but not by much, not enough to cause a riot. There are too many other important things for people to do than to riot. Me I have to work and take care of my daughter along side my husband who works also. bills need to be paid lives need to be lived.
on August 20,2013 | 01:17AM
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