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Abercrombie calls for special session on same-sex marriage

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 10:12 p.m. HST, Sep 09, 2013


Gov. Neil Abercrombie announced this afternoon that he will call the Legislature back into special session, set for Oct. 28, to consider a bill on same-sex marriage.

The push for such legislation by way of a special session increased in the aftermath a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in June that enabled legally married gay couples to receive federal benefits. Currently, same-sex couples in Hawaii can enter into civil unions and receive the same rights and benefits as marriage under state law but are not entitled to federal benefits.

State House Democrats have met over the past two weeks to count votes and determine if support existed to pass a measure. Senate Democrats are scheduled to meet later this week, although leaders have said they have enough votes to pass the Marriage Equity Bill.

Abercrombie had previously said he was waiting for a clear signal from the Legislature before calling the lawmakers back for a special session. Last week, he said he believed he had all the information he needed to make his decision.

At a news conference held early this afternoon, Abercrombie announced that the bill state lawmakers will address during the special session will be posted on the governor's website. In addition, the administration will post pertinent information tied to questions about civil rights and other matters. 

Abercrombie said he believes that the bill has the support needed in both the House and Senate to pass. 

 

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mreduardo wrote:
Awesome news! Alohaaaaaa!
on September 9,2013 | 12:50PM
1local wrote:
does his chief of staff have a conflict of interest?
on September 9,2013 | 03:08PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
No. Just as anyone one who is in an opposite-sex marriage doesn't.
on September 9,2013 | 03:18PM
kiragirl wrote:
However, this session is specifically to pass same-sex marriage. That's a huge difference.
on September 9,2013 | 03:31PM
Oilpan wrote:
Do hetrosexuals have a conflict of interest s well???
on September 9,2013 | 04:02PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Sorry kiragirl, but that doesn't matter. Under that logic, women have a conflict of interest when there is pro-choice legislation being considered or business people would have a conflict of interest (as would unions) should minimum wage legislation be considered. Should they have to recuse themselves? Everyone has a dog in the hunt for most legislation, but we ALL get to be involved.
on September 9,2013 | 04:29PM
kiragirl wrote:
Not ALL women are pro-choice. In this particular case, person mentioned is not neutral and hence makes it askew. However, all of us should wait if this bill can satisfy both sides. Personally, I truly feel this is a life style choice that is not acceptable. And, I am not referring to love.
on September 9,2013 | 05:04PM
Anonymous wrote:
Who is TRULY neutral in a legislative situation? Anybody? Sorry, I just don't agree that because he may have a personal interest in this (do you know if he is married or even wants to be?) that he has to recuse himself.

Besides, many people feel that many religions are lifestyle choices that aren't acceptable. Should we be discriminating against them>


on September 9,2013 | 05:48PM
Bdpapa wrote:
Wrong! He does have a conflict of interest.
on September 9,2013 | 08:56PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
If you're saying a gay man can't be involved in same-sex marriage legislation, then the same logic would have to hold that a straight man couldn't be involved in any legislation that only deals with opposite-sex marriages. Neither of those situations makes any sense. Can African-Americans be involved in decisions that deal with affirmative action?
on September 9,2013 | 09:49PM
lee1957 wrote:
Clutching at straws?
on September 9,2013 | 07:07PM
peanutgallery wrote:
The public has voted on this many times. Always with the same result. "NO"
on September 9,2013 | 04:46PM
copperwire9 wrote:
Actually, no. What the public voted to do was to give the legislature the power to make the decision. Here's the exact wording from Article 1, Section 23 of the state Constitution: "The legislature shall have the power to reserve marriage to opposite-sex couples. [Add HB 117 (1997) and election Nov 3, 1998]"
on September 9,2013 | 07:23PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
And it was once, not "many times", but I guess it's more fun to repeat the lie over and over... maybe someone will believe it, right?
on September 9,2013 | 08:20PM
mreduardo wrote:
Lingle vetoed civil unions LOST election. Aiona against civil unions LOST election. Okino against civil unions LOST election. It's pretty clear these people were on the losing side of justice...Otherwise, you might hear a peep out of them. But does anyone even know where Lingle went after she and her Lt. Governor went down in the last election?
on September 9,2013 | 05:00PM
frontman wrote:
May GOD judge all of you .........and don't be surprised where you land.....sunblock 2000 won't even help you.
on September 9,2013 | 05:18PM
AhiPoke wrote:
This shows an utter disregrd for an honest legisltaive process. Lining up or counting the votes means that the decision has already been made so whatever hearings that are held becomes meaningless BS. I don't have a strong opinion on gay marriage but I do have one on a fair legisltaive process. I know this makes me sound naive and I do know better, having registered as a lobbyist a few years ago, but I still like to hope that there is a fair process.
on September 9,2013 | 01:04PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
This issue has been debated for years nationally in our Legislature, the media, this forum, at dinner tables, and from the pulpit (I'm probably forgetting at least a couple places, but you get the picture). They will debate it again in the Special Session. Additionally, all sides have almost 2 months to "lobby". Just what else needs to happen for this to be a "fair process"?
on September 9,2013 | 01:35PM
AhiPoke wrote:
No, when votes have already been counted (read the article) there is no honest debate to follow. Lobbying is not debate. Lobbying is closed door back room dealing. A "fair process" in my opinion is open and honest hearings. That is what happened over the past year (as you put it) and decisions where made, whether you agreed with them or not. As I stated already I don't have strong feelings about this subject but can you imagine if every issue were decided in this manner. Politicans are amongst the most dishonest people on earth. They make deals to get themselves re-elected which is why I don't trust them.
on September 9,2013 | 01:46PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on September 9,2013 | 01:56PM
AhiPoke wrote:
If you could read any better you'd see that I don't really care about the results. What I don't like is the cost and process of BS. Why can't this wait less than 3 months when open hearings can be held? Are you suggesting that all legislative decisions be made with only the input of lobbyists? Why even have hearings? Yes I know that most decisions are made in back rooms but in something as sensitive as this, why railroad it?
on September 9,2013 | 02:09PM
Nala007 wrote:
@ahipoke: You are mistaken. There will be open public hearing during the special session. It works just like a regular session. I believe there will be 2 public hearings during the special session, one in the House and one in the Senate.
on September 9,2013 | 02:38PM
AhiPoke wrote:
You're missing my point. IF, they've already counted the votes that means that the decision has been made. IF the decision has already been made that means public hearings would be an exercise in BS. Public hearings are suppose to be meant for the public to provide input that legislators can use to form an opinion.
on September 9,2013 | 04:33PM
Nala007 wrote:
I am not missing your point AhiPoke. Perhaps you don't understand legislative process. Bills usually are not heard and don't come to a floor vote if the vote count isn't already considered in advance. Much of the discussion, lobbying, debating occurs outside of the public hearings, floor debates, etc. This is the norm with most bills.
on September 9,2013 | 04:47PM
kiragirl wrote:
Absolutely! If votes have already been taken, that means their minds have been decided and I doubt it if any lobbying or debate will change their minds. Too bad that the governor thinks we voters don't have the smarts to decide on this important issue. This special session is a slap in our faces. Auwe!
on September 9,2013 | 01:56PM
mreduardo wrote:
Turn the other cheek Kira Girl. That is the Christian way. Plus you need it.
on September 9,2013 | 03:03PM
kiragirl wrote:
I don't think so. In fact, you have been turning the other cheek all these years. Argh!
on September 9,2013 | 03:15PM
sumoroach wrote:
Why a special session? DO it during the regular session like all the other bills. Some make it some don't but a special session for this or any other issue is for a SPECIAL REASON. IE If Akaka Bill passed the US Congress, major disaster in the state.... Special sessions are for special Items Not for special lobbies or special groups.
on September 9,2013 | 08:56PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Equal rights affect ALL of us.
on September 9,2013 | 09:49PM
wiliki wrote:
All bills get passed in this manner. The chair of the committee wont pass the bill for committee if he doesn't think it can pas.
on September 9,2013 | 01:59PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Agreed that most laws are not made in the full light of day. But this issue has also been debated ad nauseum. Most legislation doesn't make it to the floor (here or in Congress) without the leadership of the dominant party knowing which way it's going to go. Having said that, "slam dunk" legislation has failed in the past, so it doesn't count until there is an actual vote. This isn't over, but in my opinion, it's a step in the right direction.
on September 9,2013 | 02:03PM
Nala007 wrote:
Exactly. Like this issue hasn't been debated in Hawaii for decades. The Baehr v Lewin Hawaii Supreme Court ruling was in 1993....20 years ago already. The opponents of marriage equality have nothing new to offer except for their standard religious arguments.
on September 9,2013 | 04:48PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
And the bill addresses the concerns for their clergy and their institutions, but what they really want is for everyone to follow THEIR religious beliefs. At least SOME of them are honest about it. They're wrong to want to force everyone else to live by their rules, but they're honest in their "beliefs".
on September 9,2013 | 05:04PM
Skyler wrote:
Since it has been debated that long, why have a special session on it? January isn't all that far away.
on September 9,2013 | 01:56PM
Nala007 wrote:
As the Governor said in his press conference, because many of the federal rights that would be granted to same-sex married couples are substantial and far reaching, including federal tax treatment. For many of these rights, getting the bill passed and in effect before 12/31/13 will make a real difference in the lives of married couples.
on September 9,2013 | 02:32PM
IAmSane wrote:
Hmm, that makes sense. Thank you for the info.
on September 9,2013 | 03:56PM
localguy wrote:
Think of the tax savings for couples and the ones coming to HI to get married. More tourism for us.
on September 9,2013 | 04:39PM
Nikaikid wrote:
Are you saying, Downtown Green, you care less about the cost of an extended special session beyond the amount quoted by the House Clerk? Remember, it's suppose to be a four day special session. When can comments be offered by the general public? I assure you, this will be an extended one ...let's see,,,um! um!! People must realize that legislators make amendments to the bills before them to a language they desire, so is there enough time for a comment period by the public as well? The proposed Governor's, or shall I say, Mr. Oshiro's, bill is not a guaranty that the legislators will approve "as is".
on September 9,2013 | 03:53PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
With legislation, there is rarely, if ever, a "guarantee". This is the people's business and I'm glad they are going to rectify the discrepancies between Civil Unions and the DOMA ruling sooner rather than later. Marriage equality is the right thing to do.
on September 9,2013 | 04:32PM
serfboy wrote:
If inter-racial marriages, women's right to vote, African-American rights, etc. (all civil rights issues) were all left to the voters, no civil rights issues would ever come to pass.
on September 9,2013 | 07:17PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Be sure to set your BS detectors on low or they are likely to overheat.
on September 9,2013 | 01:22PM
kertime wrote:
Welcome to Hell Week, Govn'r! Just as expected, our weaselly leader waits 'til after churches have met... regrettable- Is our government really representative anymore?!
on September 9,2013 | 01:26PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
The session in at the end of October. I suspect most churches will "meet" prior to that.
on September 9,2013 | 01:33PM
lee1957 wrote:
What if we only attend on Christmas and Easter?
on September 9,2013 | 07:16PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Then you might be outta luck.
on September 9,2013 | 08:21PM
Nikaikid wrote:
No, Kertime. That's why this governor must be defeated next year... He does what He wishes to do...not what the people say.. Good riddance.. Vote for Ige...
on September 9,2013 | 03:59PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Mr. Ige is also a marriage equality supporter. A very strong one.
on September 9,2013 | 04:33PM
localguy wrote:
Churches are irrelevant in this case. They will not be required to perform marriages if they do not want to, their call. Nothing they can do to stop it, DOMA is dead RIP. Git r' done Neil.
on September 9,2013 | 04:42PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Why do you and those like you even care if this bill becomes law? It won't affect your lives in any way, it only brings equity to gay couples with regard to federal benefits. I understand many religions oppose gay behavior but why do you think it's ok to require everyone to follow your religion or beliefs? You may indeed hold the moral high ground but in a free country you should not try to impose your moral beliefs on others.
on September 9,2013 | 07:10PM
copperwire9 wrote:
Well said! Mahalo.
on September 9,2013 | 07:28PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Money? Who needs money?
on September 9,2013 | 01:37PM
maunawili1 wrote:
We who oppose this action, who support traditional marriage, will be watching who takes what side in the Legislature, and we will have memories that will stretch to November 2014! This farce will NOT be forgotten !
on September 9,2013 | 01:37PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on September 9,2013 | 01:53PM
Nikaikid wrote:
Please...not Solomon or Dela Cruz!!!!!
on September 9,2013 | 04:00PM
wiliki wrote:
By November 2014 this will be a dead issue. The Hawaiian economy will get a boost from new gay tourists and nothing bad will happen to whine about.
on September 9,2013 | 02:02PM
8082062424 wrote:
You think passing a law changes what in folks hearts and minds? guess again. good luck on the gay tourists . Hawaii is not a very friendly gay state. the outer island like Maui it not so bad. But Oahu that another story Waikiki is not that big. it not known to be gay friendly. after this become law there will be legal battle after legal battle.
on September 9,2013 | 02:59PM
wiliki wrote:
I disagree... there are many bars and gay friendly hotels in Waikiki than anywhere else in the state. Moreover, it's generally no beeg ting in many local families. This island is too small to have many secrets. Despite that the evangelical Christian churches who hate the sin but love the sinner, we find that bigotry is very slight in Hawaii. Republicans will find they are making a mistake to keep pushing this button.
on September 9,2013 | 11:30PM
sumoroach wrote:
Nov 2014 we will be in another recession watch the sign are there.
on September 9,2013 | 09:01PM
wiliki wrote:
Perhaps but diversifying the tourism market can't but help our economy no matter what.
on September 9,2013 | 11:24PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Didn't you say the same thing with the civil unions bill was passed? How's that working out for you? I think you need to rethink your strategy because same sex marriage will be the law of the land very soon. I would suggest you concentrate on making sure that faiths that do not recognize same sex marriage or do not want to participate or hose same sex marriages are respected and the law permitting same sex marriages provides these houses of worship with adequate protection from litigation.
on September 9,2013 | 02:17PM
localguy wrote:
When HI passes gay marriage, churches will not be required to perform marriages. People can also go to any state with gay marriage and have it there. HI will recognize it. Great for filing federal taxes, can bring in more tourism as Hawaiian Gay Marriage Packages are promoted. Win Win for everyone. Hey, if the Church of LDS/Mormons didn't have a problem with gay scouts, gay marriages will do just fine. It is not going to ruin anything.
on September 9,2013 | 04:47PM
IAmSane wrote:
LOL Good luck with that!
on September 9,2013 | 03:57PM
localguy wrote:
maunawili1 - Your comments are irrelevant. DOMA is dead, traditional marriage will do just fine with gay marriages. The sky will not fall, life will go on. Deal with it.
on September 9,2013 | 04:44PM
maunawili1 wrote:
NOt if they do not add a provision for religious institutions to opt out.
on September 9,2013 | 06:10PM
Anonymous wrote:
It's already in there. Read the bill.
on September 9,2013 | 06:58PM
Nala007 wrote:
Sure. You all said the same thing after the legislature passed civil unions in in 2010 and again in 2011. Your threats proved false in both the 2010 and 2012 elections.
on September 9,2013 | 04:51PM
CloudForest wrote:
Perverts on parade! Gay does not mean you are happy and a rainbow is God's promise to mortal man - not a coalition of strange units.
on September 9,2013 | 01:38PM
aomohoa wrote:
Maybe you should wait to be judged yourself. How is it going to hurt you?
on September 9,2013 | 02:14PM
CloudForest wrote:
Sorry, but who wishes this type of behavior on anyone? What parent hopes their children are homosexual? No judgement, just an observation. God bless them as they eventually find out that the homosexual lifestyle is fraught with danger, bizarre sexual practices and a short lifespan. Also, zero natural future without children to live into the coming generations, their bloodline is cut off forever.
on September 9,2013 | 02:53PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on September 9,2013 | 03:01PM
CloudForest wrote:
"phobic" means afraid of, not afraid of anything - just pointing out many facts concerning the homosexual "choice" of lifestyle. Also, thinking is what we are supposed to do as humans - it not all about "feelings"! Ok, time for a group hug ...........
on September 9,2013 | 03:26PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on September 9,2013 | 04:02PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Actually, his/her name calling also helps prove the point as well.
on September 9,2013 | 05:06PM
walaau808 wrote:
Everything after we are born is a choice...
on September 9,2013 | 05:32PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Wow ...How old are you? That's some old school homophobe thinking in action, your generation will be all but gone soon.
on September 9,2013 | 07:14PM
localguy wrote:
CloudForest - Sorry to burst your bubble but science has already proven there is no God. Universe was created all by itself, bible was written by mortal people. Our accomplishments are ours, not a higher authority. Believe all you want, we know the truth.
on September 9,2013 | 04:49PM
walaau808 wrote:
Keep believing its all you...
on September 9,2013 | 05:33PM
lee1957 wrote:
You're funny, and ignorant. Science has proven....
on September 9,2013 | 07:20PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Science has already proven there's no God??? I don't believe it's possible to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science can't even definitively prove the existence of black holes, yet every reputable scientist believes they exist.
on September 9,2013 | 07:23PM
Fred01 wrote:
Although a supporter of marriage equality, this is hardly the kind of emergency that demands a special session. This is an abuse and waste of tax dollars.
on September 9,2013 | 01:39PM
kds wrote:
I totally agree. Who is going to pay for this special session? We, the taxpayer. I want to know why Neil thinks this has to be done now, instead of waiting a few months to do it right in the next regular session.
on September 9,2013 | 02:01PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
He explained it fully and clearly in his press conference. You can probably find the video on his website later today.
on September 9,2013 | 02:55PM
aomohoa wrote:
But they are go good at wasting money. LOL
on September 9,2013 | 02:13PM
Ewaduffer wrote:
Goodbye Neil, hope you enjoyed your one term, I know the voters didn't. If you think these so called polls about voter approval of homosexual activity is correct, you have another thought coming.
on September 9,2013 | 01:43PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
But as the losers of most elections always claim, candidates are not elected on single issues. Unless of course they are elected and SUPPORT your issue... then... well, that's different. Go back and look at how many legislators lost their seats after voting for Civil Unions amid the "threats" to run them out of town. Wait, I'll save you the time... none.
on September 9,2013 | 02:06PM
8082062424 wrote:
Our governor is on borrowed time and this move might be the final nail. No one in the medical profession will back him this time. My Dr who happens to be gay say he has been the worst thing for this state. and you can add our teachers to that
on September 9,2013 | 03:04PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Let's see what happens with the actual election before you count him out. Just as there are people mad at him, there are many who respect him for living up to his commitments.
on September 9,2013 | 03:21PM
8082062424 wrote:
he pushed his weight to much with the medical field and teachers. then add the fact many feel he snubbed Dan inouye wish as to who should replace him. and that not some thing that they will forgive or forget not in Hawaii any way. now this.
on September 9,2013 | 06:29PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Abercrombie has indeed been the worse governor I can remember in the last 40 years. Just one scandal after another involving DHHL, DLNR, UH and the DOE. He has little if any experience managing people and taxpayer resources and it shows.
on September 9,2013 | 07:33PM
Nikaikid wrote:
Amen...
on September 9,2013 | 04:05PM
localguy wrote:
Nothing but shibai from a sore loser. Deal with it.
on September 9,2013 | 04:49PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
I think he really does believe the polls, both locally and nationally that support gay marriage equity.
on September 9,2013 | 07:25PM
Rickyboy wrote:
Bend over.
on September 9,2013 | 01:51PM
Hulakai1 wrote:
Can't this wait until January when the regular session begins?
on September 9,2013 | 01:51PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
I think it would probably be a good idea to take this issue outside of a regular session. This type of issue can overwhelm a legislative session. The legislature basically bogs down and same sex marriage becomes the 900 pound gorilla in the room. I think addressing this issue now sets the stage for a more productive session.
on September 9,2013 | 02:19PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Agreed.
on September 9,2013 | 02:31PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Well ... since they already know the outcome of the vote I disagree. This could have waited till January and been passed quickly in the beginning of the session.
on September 9,2013 | 07:36PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Not necessarily. And check out Mr. Abercrombie's explanation and Nala007's post above as to why it's important NOW as opposed to waiting. If the DOMA smack-down hadn't happened, I would probably agree with you.
on September 9,2013 | 08:25PM
Skyler wrote:
Waste. Of. Money.
on September 9,2013 | 01:54PM
localguy wrote:
Compared to the ever growing billions in cost over runs for rail, our crumbling infrastructure, billions due to pension funds, this cost is nothing.
on September 9,2013 | 04:51PM
walaau808 wrote:
Still another waste then...
on September 9,2013 | 05:35PM
lee1957 wrote:
Rail is not a state issue.
on September 9,2013 | 07:22PM
Nala007 wrote:
Not a waste of money for those couples wishing to get married. Also not a waste of money for the boost this will have to the Hawaii economy with all the wedding business that will be generated, increased tourism, and increased General Excise Tax revenue.
on September 9,2013 | 04:54PM
wiliki wrote:
Great news.... this is revolutionize Hawaii...
on September 9,2013 | 01:56PM
fiveo wrote:
The governor continues to show again that he has little regard to what the vast majority of the people want and is intent on end running the legislative process and calling a special session just for the gay marriage issue so he can get the gay and progressive vote in his re-election bid. Better think again governor. You are deeply unpopular and have sealed your fate. Better enjoy your time in office while you can.
on September 9,2013 | 01:59PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
"vast majority of the people"? Based on what evidence? Or is it just your "gut"?
on September 9,2013 | 02:18PM
localguy wrote:
fiveo - Actually the majority (53% and growing) of Americans approve of gay marriages and it continues to grow every year as more of the older generation passes on, taking their prejudices with them. Well, some approved. Majority of younger Americans did not see any issues with it, could not understand what the big deal was. Then realized the problem came from so many "Fossil" bureaucrats living in the past. There is a new Sheriff in town. http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/politics/btn-same-sex-marriage
on September 9,2013 | 04:55PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
That "new Sheriff in town" line is getting old and does nothing to add to the debate.
on September 9,2013 | 05:08PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
True ... most of the opposition to gay marriage comes from old people and those that have strong religious beliefs.
on September 9,2013 | 07:38PM
MakaniKai wrote:
W – t – F Neil? The day you left Buffalo and landed on these shores is truly nothing to celebrate.
on September 9,2013 | 02:06PM
Too_Much_Pilikia wrote:
The liberal special interest agenda has struck again. Instead of addressing the more pressing issues of our fair state we bring back a devisive issue that drives another sword into our community's heart. Way to go Dems....just take the low road and only a few months befrore the next legislative session begins. Disgusting bunch of panderers.
on September 9,2013 | 02:08PM
localguy wrote:
More pressing issues? If our dysfunctional bureaucrats had any backbone they would have taken care of these years ago. Instead the whine, wring their hands, and do nothing but kick the can down the road. Their main priority is taking care of #1.
on September 9,2013 | 04:57PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
THIS SESSION BETTER BE PAID FOR BY ABBY. STOP USING TAXPAYER MONEY FOR UNNECESSARY THINGS.
on September 9,2013 | 02:10PM
localguy wrote:
Turn your CAPS key off. We can hear you, no need to shout.
on September 9,2013 | 04:58PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Sure sure sure...tackle the real tough problems facing the state in a special session. Who cares if we have millions in unfunded liabilities, families living on the streets, worst business reputation in the nation, roadways that are past their useful years, a stabbing every night, a public safety department that keeps losing inmates over inflated State payroll staff, and myriads of life or death problems. Let's all spend taxpayers money for something that can easily wait until the next session a few months from now.
on September 9,2013 | 02:24PM
realist3463 wrote:
Loquaciousone, we do not always agree, but you have this one spot on.
on September 9,2013 | 02:29PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
on September 9,2013 | 03:05PM
localguy wrote:
Not really, see my post above.
on September 9,2013 | 04:59PM
Bdpapa wrote:
You nailed it!
on September 9,2013 | 08:59PM
maunawili1 wrote:
AMEN! AMEN ! AMEN!
on September 9,2013 | 02:32PM
localguy wrote:
loquaciousone - Unfunded liabilities? More pressing issues? If our dysfunctional bureaucrats had any backbone they would have taken care of these years ago. Instead the whine, wring their hands, and do nothing but kick the can down the road. Their main priority is taking care of #1.
on September 9,2013 | 04:59PM
lookup wrote:
Equal Rights? Not if same sex marriage takes away the rights of conservative, God fearing citizens. Correct the flaws in the law as it is written now. Acceptance of everyones right to equality is one thing, but approval is up to the individual! No one should be forced into a belief or a way of life that they do not agree with. No one should be prosecuted for taking a stand and for making a choice of who they wish to do business with or not. EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!
on September 9,2013 | 02:29PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
"Who they wish to do business with or not" is already the law and has been for some time. Can you point to something actually in the legislation that "forces" you (or anybody else) to "approve" of someone else's relationship? Your relationship is none of their business and theirs is none of yours. Nor does your religious institution have to perform ANY marriage it doesn't want to. It doesn't have to now and won't have to after the law is passed. Approve or disapprove at your own discretion, but we're talking equality under the law, not your "approval" of someone's marriage.
on September 9,2013 | 02:35PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
They're talking about the public accomodations law that requires facilities to be open to all.
on September 9,2013 | 07:42PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Yup. And they tend to forget that it is already law.
on September 9,2013 | 08:26PM
inverse wrote:
It is not persecution rather FREE WILL that you are afraid of. No one is stopping you or elected officials or business leaders from publicly taking a stand against same se x marriages, however the consequence is NOT persecution, rather the democratic process of voting someone out of office who does not reflect their views or boycotting a business or removing someone from an appointed gov't position who frame our government structure and laws on what some clergyman/scribe wrote thousands of years ago in what today is referred to the bibile and using their own interpretation what god his teachings. Nothing wrong with studying and adhering to concepts of the bible but how about the realization you cannot take every single passage verbatim as truth in today's world and taken with a grain of salt (not pillar of salt). Instead of worrying about the downfall of civilization if two adults of the same gender choose to bond emotionally, legally and financially together, better to worry about the TRUE pervs in society like men who become ministers in the Catholic church so they can abuse innocent young children, or the school bus driver in Cleveland Ohio Castro who held captive 3 girls in his for 10 years and forced them to have his children or have an abortion. How about praying that God fearing citizens band together and help catch and prosecute these monsters who truly must be possessed by the de vil?
on September 9,2013 | 03:41PM
lookup wrote:
@Downtown and inverse...I dont think you understood my point. If a bakery refuses to make a wedding cake for a same sex marriage they can be sued, if a bed and breakfast does not want to allow a same sex couple to stay there they can be sued, and churches may also loose their tax exempt status if they choose not to marry a same sex couple. These are the rights that i am talking about.
on September 9,2013 | 04:25PM
localguy wrote:
lookup - Sad to say your post reflects someone educated in the Nei who has probably never seen much of the real world, has no idea how others live and work. Oh, your Equal Rights For All does support Gay Marriages. Nice touch. Sorry to burst your bubble but science has already proven there is no God. Universe was created all by itself, bible was written by mortal people. Our accomplishments are ours, not a higher authority. Believe all you want, we know the truth.
on September 9,2013 | 05:02PM
can wrote:
Science has already proven? Where's the evidence blind man? Should the whole of existence take comfort in your pronouncement? No sense in believing in God anymore. local guy said God is no more. Thanks local guy for enlightening us. You're an ape man, you're an ape ape man, you're an ape man. Oy veh.
on September 9,2013 | 07:19PM
lookup wrote:
All atheists in hell now believe in God!
on September 9,2013 | 07:38PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Riiiiight... and just how would you know that?
on September 9,2013 | 08:26PM
lookup wrote:
God told me!
on September 9,2013 | 08:31PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
I see. And just what did he/she sound like? Did he/she have an accent? Speak in pidgin? Did anybody else here it when you did?
on September 9,2013 | 09:53PM
Bdpapa wrote:
You are correct. But your moral and ethical values are in question here. The ability to believe, in a god or anything else, gives people hope. Never give up hope.
on September 9,2013 | 09:02PM
kpopfiend wrote:
Mahalo Governor for your leadership and leading Hawaii in this direction. Mahalo for making an assessment of the viability of a vote before pulling the trigger. Fellow Democrats and supporters of this effort please continue to show your support of Governor and legislators who will carry this through to passage.
on September 9,2013 | 02:32PM
noshortcuts wrote:
now it makes sense...."RAINBOW" Warriors!!!! jk.
on September 9,2013 | 02:39PM
HCSSC wrote:
About time!
on September 9,2013 | 02:39PM
EwaWarrior wrote:
Awe! King Neill bending over backwards to please the few at the expense of the many. What a waste of state funds! There is no need to redefine marriage!
on September 9,2013 | 02:48PM
roadsterred wrote:
Get ready for polygamy! Consenting adults of the same and/or different gender get ready for marriage. Also, brothers and sisters, first cousins, fathers and daughters, and mothers and sons. Once the dam breaks, this fight for equality will turn our society upside down.
on September 9,2013 | 03:00PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Don't forget adults and what we now call "minors." Afterall, how can you discriminate against someone because of their age?? I know some "minors" who are more ready for marriage than adults! So add that to your list. Honestly, I want to see the hypocrisy of those now crying "equal rights" and "tolerence" for backing gay marriage, when proponents of these other relationships try to get legalized. And you can bet they'll be using the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS used by same sex marriage backers today. You had to stop this before you got on the slippery slop, and that was one man/one woman. Whatever else you do is your business, but society should not have legitimized it.
on September 9,2013 | 03:23PM
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on September 9,2013 | 04:03PM
kiragirl wrote:
Say why so. Bet you can't!
on September 9,2013 | 05:11PM
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on September 9,2013 | 05:29PM
kiragirl wrote:
You called his argument lame but did not state why. I was just asking you to state WHY?
on September 9,2013 | 07:35PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
No answer? Come one now. You have to be ready to defend your intolerant stance against incest, polygamy, child marriage. I'll tell you why you won't answer. Because the only answer that wouldn't paint you as a hypocrite was if you agreed with all these other forms of relationships and that they should all be legalized as well.
on September 9,2013 | 09:28PM
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on September 9,2013 | 03:04PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
My, how tolerant of you.
on September 9,2013 | 03:24PM
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on September 9,2013 | 04:02PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Still waiting for an answer.
on September 9,2013 | 09:29PM
loquaciousone wrote:
In Hawaii we have a name for people like Neil -- POHO!
on September 9,2013 | 03:07PM
loquaciousone wrote:
In Hawaii we have a name for people like Neil -- POHO!
on September 9,2013 | 03:07PM
MakaniKai wrote:
LOL.....true dat!
on September 9,2013 | 04:24PM
ryan02 wrote:
Are there any lawyers here? I thought the state constitution doesn't allow for same-sex marriage. Wouldn't the people have to vote to amend the constitution in order for the law to be valid? That won't happen before 12/31/2013. Or, does the governor and legislature intend to enact an unconstitutional law, then hope the constitution will be amended before any lawsuits make their way through the court system? I'm not against gay marriage (I support it), but I am honestly curious about the effect of the state constitutional provision.
on September 9,2013 | 03:15PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Both sides have had attorneys looking at this for a long time and they have concluded it IS Constitutional for the Legislature to make the decision. That doesn't mean someone won't sue... but just because you sue doesn't mean you win.
on September 9,2013 | 03:23PM
ryan02 wrote:
Thanks. Since neither side was talking about it, I guess I should have known it was a non-issue.
on September 9,2013 | 03:34PM
Nala007 wrote:
The state constitution does not ban same-sex marriage. That is a misperception on your part as well as many others. The state constitution gives the legislature the ability to ban same-sex marriage but it doesn't require it to do so. The amendment was written in a way to give the legislature the power to nullify the Baehr v Lewin and subsequent Baehr v Miike court rulings. The 1998 Constitutional Amendment took the power away from the Hawaii courts to define marriage and reserved it for the state legislature.
on September 9,2013 | 04:58PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Thanks for the clarification Nala007. I suspect you will have to keep repeating it though as many others don't want to hear it, so they twist it and make it into something it's not. For the record, I don't think ryan02 was doing that.
on September 9,2013 | 05:15PM
Gary_S wrote:
I do hope that each legislator will kick-in $5000 to pay for this special session and not stick it to the rest of the taxpayers.
on September 9,2013 | 03:16PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Legislators from the outer islands get a $145 per day perdiem plus expenses. In addition WE pay for their airfare. Legislators pay nothing from their own pockets.
on September 9,2013 | 03:35PM
JAFO wrote:
Whatever the special session on same sex marriage outcome, to be fair, issue should be on voter ballot to let everyone have a say. Just do not like being railroaded.
on September 9,2013 | 03:17PM
IAmSane wrote:
The majority are not going to care about the civil rights of the minority. Sorry, this is one thing that should not be put on as a referendum. That would be like if Georgia had a referendum in 1850 to ban slavery.
on September 9,2013 | 04:12PM
IAmSane wrote:
I should also say: if you want your voices heard, call up your state senator/representative and attend the open hearings.
on September 9,2013 | 04:29PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
We are not a referendum state... our Constitution sets out a representative democracy. It's as simple as that.
on September 9,2013 | 04:38PM
Skydakine wrote:
Marriage was about kids. Now it's "Show me the money!"
on September 9,2013 | 03:18PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
No it wasn't. Check your history. For most of humankind's history it was a bout the transfer of assets. Woman were treated as chattal and just considered vessels to help males continue their bloodline.
on September 9,2013 | 05:17PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Ah ... those were the good old days weren't they.
on September 9,2013 | 07:53PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Not if you were a woman.
on September 9,2013 | 08:27PM
inverse wrote:
Anti same sex marriage people are all complaining, HOWEVER none of their elected representatives in Hawaii have the guts to speak out against same sex marriage (Slom and Mike Gabbard don't count). And when they do it is for bogus reasons like ministers and their churches they will be forced to perform same sex marriages, yet so far none of these people have been sued based on their refusal to perform civil unions. In fact they will LOSE money when gay people from all over the world come to Hawaii to get married and that is fine with everyone else who do not have a problem with same sex marriage. Marriages is big business in Hawaii and that INCLUDES churches and ministers who make big money for holding the ceremony or performing the marriages under the guise of "donation". The REAL reason many people are against same sex marriages is because according to the bible, in a couple of passages it was interpreted that god said homo sex uality is associated with the devil or whatever. Of course no State legislature who values their cushy state job with great retirement benefits and perks want to pull a Gary Okino or Lingle/Aiona public rant as they know that would be political sui cide in Hawaii, and might as well pack up their things out of their state offices come the next election. So the best politicians can do and business and other leaders can do is post anonymously on how it cost too much to have special session or that allowing same sex marriages will turn Hawaii into the sod omy state, and they are not taking about the study of dirt.
on September 9,2013 | 03:22PM
inverse wrote:
Anti same sex marriage people are all complaining, HOWEVER none of their elected representatives in Hawaii are speaking out against same sex marriage (Slom and M Gabbard don't count). And when they do it is for bogus reasons like ministers and their churches will be forced to perform same sex marriages, yet so far none of these people have been sued based on their refusal to perform civil unions. In fact they will LOSE money when gay people from all over the world come to Hawaii to get married and that is fine with everyone else who do not have a problem with same sex marriage. Marriages is big business in Hawaii and that INCLUDES churches and ministers who make big money for holding the ceremony or performing the marriages under the guise of "donation". The REAL reason many people are against same sex marriages is because according to the bible, in a couple of passages it was interpreted that god said ho mo sex uality is associated with the devil or whatever. Of course no State legislature who values their cushy state job with great retirement benefits and perks want to pull a Gary Ok ino or Li ngle/Ai ona public rant as they know that would be political sui cide in Hawaii, and might as well pack up their things out of their state offices come the next election.
on September 9,2013 | 03:24PM
lookup wrote:
Inverse...if you are going to talk about what the bible says you should check to see if you know what you are talking about. Do a word search on sexual immorality on any online bible of your choice.
on September 9,2013 | 07:47PM
inverse wrote:
Am I mistaken and in the bible does it say god is okay with homo se xuality? If so what is your problen with same sex marriages in Hawaii?
on September 9,2013 | 10:32PM
juke wrote:
keep it up God will not be mocked.In the theory of evolution which most atheist embrace, homosexuality is the lowest and weakest form of humanity in that homosexuality does not in the process of natural selection does not gravitate toward furthering and the continuing of the human species. Think about it all you evolutionary atheist.
on September 9,2013 | 03:24PM
ryan02 wrote:
So people who are infertile or too old to have kids shouldn't be allowed to marry? What about gay women who are able to have kids via IVF (the same method many heterosexual couples use to procreate) -- surely THEY should be allowed to marry, so there are two parents raising the kids. And monogamy itself is VERY rare in nature. So in case you haven't noticed from my examples, what I'm trying to say is procreation and marriage are two very different things that are not dependent on the other.
on September 9,2013 | 03:32PM
Grimbold wrote:
Let them marry but stop benefits to any couples who have no kids.
on September 9,2013 | 07:01PM
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on September 9,2013 | 04:12PM
juke wrote:
Makapuu4 call me what you will.but the sad part is god loves you too.so go ahead mock me cause i stand for my faith.in the in.you had your chance.
on September 9,2013 | 04:49PM
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on September 9,2013 | 05:23PM
juke wrote:
when you stand before God.and you will.all of you.you made the choice.you see i can say yes i can say.there is a GOD.NOT BECAUSE OF CHURCH MAN PASTOR.BUT AS A COMBAT VET.I HAVE BEEN SHOT THREE TIMES.I FLEW 105 CHOPPERS.GOT SHOT DOWN IN THREE.BLOW UP WITH A LAND MINE..SO DONT EVEN TELL ME THERE IS NO GOD.IT WAS NOT LUCK.BUT A SPIRIT YOULL NENER NO.
on September 9,2013 | 06:31PM
pakeheat wrote:
Amen brother, God Bless You for your service, bravery, and loyalty to USA
on September 9,2013 | 07:26PM
lookup wrote:
God Bless you brother...God surely sees your heard! And always remember ...If we do not praise HIM the rocks will cry out in praise of God Almighty, Creator of heaven, earth and man. There will come a day ( very soon I trust ) that every knee will bow to JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOR!
on September 9,2013 | 07:54PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
The sad part for you is if there is a God. Seriously.....
on September 9,2013 | 09:30PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
And if there isn't? Then who has wasted all their time worshiping something that didn't exist?
on September 9,2013 | 09:55PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
If it helps folks through their lives and actually makes them better people, well, I wouldn't call it a waste of time. Besides, we all worship something.
on September 9,2013 | 10:05PM
First-Responder wrote:
The Gov and Obama have similarly poor judgment. He's trying to shove gay marriage down our throats and spend lots of money to do it only two months before a regular session of the legislator sits.
on September 9,2013 | 03:28PM
Nikaikid wrote:
It's so sad that governor and the leadership of the legislature couldn't wait until the regular session convenes in January. They disregard fiscal responsibilities, having just passed the budget for the fiscal year. With only three months more to the session why not wait? As many have said, this governor when he was elected, he just shoves things down our throats without considering all aspects of an issue. He and the elected legislators now know they got the votes so why can't this decision on amending the State Constitution be made in January. It's akin to the PLDC measure he signed against the wishes of many. So is he protecting his friends, particularly the senate, from an election year controversy! Voters don't forget!!!
on September 9,2013 | 03:42PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
The legislators know they are making the right decision AND they know the majority of the public supports them. Otherwise, they wouldn't be willing to take the vote.
on September 9,2013 | 04:41PM
kiragirl wrote:
The ONLY way to be sure the legislators know they have the public support is to let the voters decide. Until then, no one knows for sure. Not even you.
on September 9,2013 | 07:38PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Nor do you kiragirl. But you DO know that this isn't a referendum state and that isn't going to change. So you can keep calling for it, but it will do you no good. The only recourse is through the Legislature who was given the responsibility of deciding this issue by a popular vote of the people in 1998 with the Constitutional Amendment.
on September 9,2013 | 08:30PM
2NDC wrote:
Bravo Zulu Abercrombie! Yet another reason why you shouldn't be re-elected. Wasting taxpayer money for something that should be resolved during a regular legislative session is not only foolish, but also highly irresponsible. They should dock your pay to fund the special session. :-(
on September 9,2013 | 04:33PM
MakaniKai wrote:
Please explain how polygamy can remain illegal? Would a special session take place? No! Because there is currently no vocal lobby. Bottom line for me is a Special Session reeks of political grandstanding. Not homophobic; I personally believe in marriage between one man and one woman. Sadly when a person expresses their disagreement with homosexuality you are called names and not tolerant and that is uncalled for. If my POV doesn’t agree with what you think I should be saying, then there’s something wrong with everyone’s opinion.
on September 9,2013 | 04:58PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Dammmmnnn u, call a special session to take care of our homeless !!!
on September 9,2013 | 05:06PM
fairgame947 wrote:
Is the expense coming out of the Gov's budget - doubt it. An extra expense for the taxpayer.
on September 9,2013 | 05:11PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
The bakery and bed and breakfast action examples are already illegal. You cannot discriminate in public accommodations (business) based on sexual orientation. It is ALREADY the law and has been. Just like you can't discriminate based on race, disability, or the lifestyle choice of religion. The new law specifically protects a church from "having" to marry a same sex couple. There is not now, nor will there be ANYTHING that can force a religious institution to marry ANYone they don't want to. Read the bill.
on September 9,2013 | 05:13PM
Anonymous wrote:
This comment was meant to be in reply to lookup above, but wound up down here for some reason.
on September 9,2013 | 05:52PM
lookup wrote:
So where is the equality? Businesses should have the right to refuse anyone the choose, Why should a business be forced to compromise there beliefs so that other people can live according to what they believe. That would be unjust and unfair. That is what I meant about the difference between accepting and approving. And if you really checked the proposed SS marriage law, It does hamper the freedom of a church and how it operates according to freedom of those who wish to worship within the church without a so called membership.
on September 9,2013 | 08:03PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
I have read it and you are misrepresenting it. The law about public accommodations already exists and has for awhile. You're barking up a tree that has already grown.
on September 9,2013 | 08:32PM
frontman wrote:
May GOD judge all of you .........and don't be surprised where you land.....sunblock 2000 won't even help you.
on September 9,2013 | 05:16PM
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on September 9,2013 | 05:24PM
rigormortis wrote:
Yup, we think we smarter than God! Just because we get Iphone and internet, can create Frankenstein organisms, destroy and reason, we think we going live forever. Just because we can make babies we think we create life. Little do we know how dumb we really are......
on September 9,2013 | 05:46PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
I don't think science has proven that God does not exist. Almost all science is based on widely accepted theories that have yet to be proven definitively.
on September 9,2013 | 08:08PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Personally, I believe God exists, but honestly, it's very difficult, if not impossible to prove a negative. But you are correct in your second assumption. I find it's healthy to question everything, including ones own beliefs and certainly not take at face value what some expert tells you (pastor or scientist).
on September 9,2013 | 09:45PM
rigormortis wrote:
So criteria for this special session is "garrens we win then we go." If this issue was so important for everyone, then it should have been called regardless of win or lose. Whle in session, why don't they also vote on petty issues like resolution to support/oppose Syrian payback, GMO labeling, legalized gambling, Hawaiian land oversight, etc. Aysos
on September 9,2013 | 05:17PM
solo3808 wrote:
I don't care about the issue is this special session going to cost the tax paying people money. If it does wait till the next session and make it agenda.
on September 9,2013 | 05:48PM
number4 wrote:
1. Same-sex marriage is not an issue of sexual orientation. It is an issue of gender. You do not have to be gay to marry someone of the same sex. 2. I do not think Abercrombie should have called a special session of the Legislature because nobody is broke down his office door to call a special session. This might be an important issue, but it's not an emergency.
on September 9,2013 | 06:09PM
RHov wrote:
once a pin head always a pin head
on September 9,2013 | 06:20PM
danji wrote:
Here we go again--Politicans making money on something that can wait for the next legfislative session.Ack the politican(your) if this special session is needed??? If they say yes they are only taking of their pocket books. Ask the governor how much will the special session will cost and where is the money coming from. We do have SICK so called leaders. GOVERNOE AND LEGISLATURE MEMBERS REMEMBER YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT LEADERS BUT SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE. ALL OF YOU ONLY THINK YOU ARE LEADERS. SHOW ME SOME BALLS AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT REGULAR SESSION CAUSE THIS ITEM CAN WAIT.
on September 9,2013 | 06:29PM
Grimbold wrote:
Bad enough to be getting same sex legalization, but worse that we have to pay on top of getting that bizarre development. Concluding from the many bloggers the gays must have sent their ilk in numbers to crowd this site's comments.
on September 9,2013 | 06:58PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Ilk? Seriously? Do you really think if it was just gay/lesbian people that supported this we'd even be talking about it? Many posting in favor of this legislation are NOT gay or lesbian.
on September 9,2013 | 08:34PM
lee1957 wrote:
Can't wait 10 more weeks?
on September 9,2013 | 07:06PM
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on September 9,2013 | 07:28PM
juke wrote:
NO ONE CAN FORCE ANY THING ON YOU.YOUR ALL READY DEAD INSIDE.AND WHAT GOOD THING HAVE YOU DONE FOR HAWAII OR ANY ONE?????????????
on September 9,2013 | 07:41PM
juke wrote:
and dont force your not faith on me.OH SO SORRY I FORGOT THE CAPS.
on September 9,2013 | 07:48PM
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on September 9,2013 | 08:01PM
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on September 9,2013 | 08:11PM
juke wrote:
dont bet on it.
on September 9,2013 | 08:27PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Still waiting for my answer. And don't tell me you're going to pick on some minority group are you? You know, the polygamist, the Lambda crowd, and so on. You don't want to be intolerant afterall.
on September 9,2013 | 09:42PM
juke wrote:
i see you have no answer to what i asked you.
on September 9,2013 | 08:27PM
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on September 9,2013 | 08:52PM
juke wrote:
still wont let people see you you really are.and yes my name is juke.news papers tv radio all know who i am.i walk the walk.not just hot air like you..may be some day youll learn to give and not just blow h ot air.i wasted enought time on you.go do and write your thing.
on September 9,2013 | 09:09PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Really? Guess what? If he is real, all the caps in the world won't make him cease to be. Some hope there is a God. Others like you hope there isn't. Two different sides of the same coin. One day, we'll find out who's right. By the way, still waiting for you to answer my question. Where does your intolerance kick in? Or do you feel any relationship should be legalized by our society?
on September 9,2013 | 09:34PM
juke wrote:
Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn’t know how to be human either—women didn’t know how to be women, men didn’t know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.
on September 9,2013 | 07:37PM
usahwn wrote:
This gimmick for re-election does not work
on September 9,2013 | 07:54PM
Cricket_Amos wrote:
Marriage is based on biological facts of life: men and women are different and produce life. ignoring this or pretending it does not exist is very disturbing. The phrase "same sex marriage" is an oxymoron. it is like "weightless gravity".
on September 9,2013 | 08:07PM
Shotzy wrote:
Of all the things to be wasting taxpayer money on. A special session, Really ?
on September 9,2013 | 08:15PM
51butterflies wrote:
A great waste of $$$$$ to call for a SPECIALsession. Passage of this could wait till the legislature convenes again, and thus spend $$$$ on more necessary,immediate needs. Why not spend the money wisely-. Our school children need cooler environments to learn in. So very sad that the governor is willing to waste our hard earned tax dollars money!
on September 9,2013 | 08:46PM
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on September 9,2013 | 08:50PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Guess what? There is very little difference between religion and science. In fact, both have more things in common than not. Both have "proof" that satisfies their beliefs. None are straight through and complete, and thus both sides use some form of "faith" to fill in the blanks. And if you think science is foolproof, brother, you're just as gullible as those religious zealots you're feebly trying to argue against.
on September 9,2013 | 09:40PM
middleofdasea wrote:
VOTE HIM OUT !!!!!!!!!!! He does not repersent THE PEOPLE
on September 9,2013 | 08:56PM
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on September 9,2013 | 09:13PM
middleofdasea wrote:
The 70% who voted NO! to same sex marriage
on September 9,2013 | 10:38PM
Bdpapa wrote:
Of course they want a special session, easy money. Go ahead Gov, shove it up our backside. Pardon the analogy.
on September 9,2013 | 09:04PM
fox912 wrote:
Yikes, got screwed again!!!!!
on September 9,2013 | 09:09PM
Kuihao wrote:
Thank you, Gov. This is why I voted for you.
on September 9,2013 | 09:26PM
hon2255 wrote:
what a waste of taxpayer money, for special interest group, we already have civil unions , marriage is between man and wife ,period.
on September 9,2013 | 09:26PM
hon2255 wrote:
Liberal lolo governor, hey what about using the money to take care of our public schools , and UH Maona,which is well in need of funding to take care of the infrastructure and underpaid instructors at the university. This excludes the overpaid execs at Bachman Hall!
on September 9,2013 | 09:30PM
Brixac3 wrote:
An economic decision to attract 3.5% to 10% of the population is likely to alienate an even larger % of potential visitors. Most Americans have voted in support of DOMA, which means that these potential visitors have strong feelings in opposition to SSM and may choose not to visit Hawaii. Traditionally liberal California has legalized SSM only because the court over turned the majority vote in favor of DOMA. Just California & Texas represent 20% of the U.S. population. Both states voted by large majorities in favor of DOMA. Just these 2 states are enough to nullify any assumed benefit from SSM. The rest of the country has voted by a large majority in favor of DOMA. Ignoring very clear data in an economic analysis is not objective and may have a devastating effect on Hawaii's tourist industry. Watch what you ask for, you may get it.
on September 9,2013 | 09:44PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
It's hard to take a discussion about data seriously from someone who thinks people voted directly for DOMA.
on September 9,2013 | 09:59PM
78R8R wrote:
Too bad they don't put that much effort into tackling the big issues
on September 9,2013 | 09:57PM
mineeyes wrote:
The Gov wants to expedite his own personal agenda!
on September 9,2013 | 10:20PM
CloudForest wrote:
Let's all be homosexual! Then we can be the terminal generation - since homosexuals can't procreate. Then we won't have to worry about humans destroying the earth any longer. See how homosexuality and the green movement go hand and hand ....... I did not think it would be so simple! Solving all of the worlds problems in one simple method! You go Abercrumbles, you go girl !!!
on September 10,2013 | 12:01AM
kertime wrote:
Stock recommendation: companies making turkey basters?
on September 11,2013 | 08:43AM
SFJisan wrote:
Do you think that the Constitution of the State of Hawaii or the US Constitution exists to support the religious beliefs of the ones who yell the loudest? I attended the first hearings in the State Capitol in October, 1993, and every single speaker on the Anti-side invoked the name of God or Jesus. Now twenty years later, they've changed their words, but the tune is the same. The government is of the people, for the people and by the people, not to shore up anyone's religion! .
on September 10,2013 | 01:55AM
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