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House panels pass gay marriage bill after 55 hours of testimony

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 07:55 p.m. HST, Nov 05, 2013


State House lawmakers agreed this evening to advance a marriage equality bill that would allow same-sex couples to marry but would expand a religious exemption to better protect religious freedom.

The bill cleared the House Judiciary and Finance committees after lawmakers heard an unprecedented 55-and-a-half hours of public testimony at a hearing that spanned over five days.

The full House will consider the bill Wednesday morning on second reading, a critical procedural threshold that will reveal the degree of support for the bill.

The bill that passed the committees would model the religious exemption on Connecticut law, which is considered among the broadest of states that allow gay marriage.

The bill would also strip out a reference to parental rights after concerns were raised about the potential impact on how Native Hawaiian ancestry would be recorded.

The bill would also change the effective date to Dec. 2, instead of Nov. 18.

The two committees had agreed to hear from all of the 5,184 people who had signed up to testify, and more than 1,000 showed up to speak to lawmakers in person. The overwhelming majority of people who showed up to testify were opposed to the bill, mostly for religious reasons.

Religious leaders who had launched a "People's Filibuster" to prolong the hearing stood down on Tuesday, as only a few dozen people came to the state Capitol to testify compared to the hundreds who were on hand late Monday.

The state Senate, which approved its version of a marriage equality bill last week, would review the bill again if it clears the House. Senators could agree to the House version and send the bill to Gov. Neil Abercrombie, or could disagree, triggering a House-Senate conference committee to resolve the differences.







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vball808chick wrote:
PASS IT already so we can move on with our lives!
on November 5,2013 | 02:10PM
honugirl56 wrote:
sorry. Ain't gonna happen that easily................
on November 5,2013 | 02:33PM
Nala007 wrote:
Correct. Won't happen that easily, but it will happen nonetheless. Will be glad when this is over. Same-sex couples will have the full dignity and equality of marriage! And all the opponents will eventually see that their gloom and doom predictions fail to materialize.
on November 5,2013 | 02:39PM
aomohoa wrote:
You are so right Nala007
on November 5,2013 | 02:53PM
LanaUlulani wrote:
I am pro gay marriage and when their marriage is recognized then they will be stuck with the marriage tax penalty.

They will also be burdened with this tax which is nothing to celebrate.


on November 5,2013 | 02:56PM
Fred01 wrote:
Marriage Tax PENALTY???? What are you smoking?
on November 5,2013 | 03:29PM
LanaUlulani wrote:
Please do not be so hateful and refrain from personal attacks

Instead refer to the IRS marginal tax rates for singles, married filed jointly versus married filed separately.

This is for 2012 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040tt.pdf

I am pro gay marriage but hope gay couples realize the marriage tax penalty will bite you in your elemu.
on November 5,2013 | 05:46PM
Nala007 wrote:
LanaUlulani - I am afraid you are not providing accurate information. It is true that the "marriage penalty" exists but not for all married couples. When both spouses are earning similar salaries, they do end up paying more in taxes than they would if they could file separately as single. In instances where one spouse earns very little or much less than the other, they actually pay less in taxes compared to the single tax rate. And regardless of the penalty, marriage entitles you to tax free inheritance, ability to transfer cash and assets between spouses tax free, the ability to rollover one spouses IRA into the other, the right to spouse's pension benefit and in some instances social security. So all this complaining about marriage penalty is nonsense.
on November 5,2013 | 06:13PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Actually, the Bush Tax cuts which are still in effect until today have eliminated the marriage penalty by doubling the standard deduction for married couples instead of only 167% that of singles
on November 5,2013 | 06:35PM
blackmurano wrote:
I don't like to use the word "Gay" which was hyjack by the homosexual activist. Homosexual marriage is plain and simple: It's a "perversion" of God's creation. He did not create homosexuals or lesbians in their mother's womb, they themselves walk the perversion path away from God period. Equality in marriage? Is that something new? There is no provision of Equality in Marriage, but one man and one woman. God ordained marriage as a Covenatn. You don't mess with any of His Covenants.
on November 5,2013 | 05:29PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
balckmumbojumbo - What god? What covenants? It's all fiction.
on November 5,2013 | 05:54PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
What Orientation? What 'claim" to be Gay? It is all fiction on Gays. They can't prove anything of their claims. Pity
on November 5,2013 | 06:16PM
Nala007 wrote:
Blackmurano- Well you are just going to have to get used to reality. I am crying a river for you.
on November 5,2013 | 06:14PM
editors wrote:
Really? You don't mess with ANY of His Covenants? So I suppose you follow Leviticus to the letter then, stoning adulterers or people who don't follow kosher laws? So I guess the next time you eat kalua pig or tako poke, we should drag you into the street and murder you? If you're going to be a Biblical literalist, you don't get to choose which laws you follow. Unless you're a hypocrite, which most people who oppose gay marriage are.
on November 5,2013 | 08:48PM
wes wrote:
My God says your God is wrong.
on November 5,2013 | 09:45PM
Manoa2 wrote:
The only clear strong position in the Bible on homosexuality is unfortunately in the Book of Leviticus which no one reads or follows because it has so many plainly outdated ridiculous rules. But of all those now irrelevant rules about slaves, and diet, opponents of gay marriage pick the one rule about male homosexuality to follow and forget the others.
on November 5,2013 | 10:35PM
kukui_nut wrote:
Ha ha! That's hilarious!
on November 5,2013 | 08:19PM
boshio wrote:
No to SSM...
on November 5,2013 | 04:19PM
Nala007 wrote:
And the committees voted YES
on November 5,2013 | 06:15PM
concerned1 wrote:
Because they were forced by the democratic powerhouses, it's our next generations who will be most affected by the homosexual agenda.
on November 5,2013 | 07:38PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
End of the road for the homophobes.
on November 5,2013 | 02:14PM
juke wrote:
it now starts.you and all the rest of your gay lovers.have made your choice.fate will take care of you
on November 5,2013 | 03:14PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
juke's a joke.
on November 5,2013 | 03:19PM
Fred01 wrote:
juke's a two year old
on November 5,2013 | 03:40PM
Squiggs wrote:
Where's all this christian love? Seems like I hear only hate.
on November 5,2013 | 11:12PM
blackmurano wrote:
Aloha Makapuu. . End of the road for the homphobes? How about about end of life with homobible?
on November 5,2013 | 05:30PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
If it isn't blackmumbojumbo. Are we all going to hell.now?
on November 5,2013 | 05:51PM
blackmurano wrote:
Makapuu but you don't believe in hell, much less God who formed you in your mother's womb. He did not formed you in your mother's womb as a homosexual or a lesbian. You either a male or a female. But you chose a lifestyle away from God.
on November 5,2013 | 06:15PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
Yes the end of your Mother and Father and the Formula that made you. Pity though.
on November 5,2013 | 06:18PM
Mypualani wrote:
I say pass the bill. Liberty and Justice for all.
on November 5,2013 | 02:16PM
concerned1 wrote:
Lol
on November 5,2013 | 07:40PM
localguy wrote:
Too bad we couldn't capture all the "hot air/gas" from all those speaking. We could have powered the Nei for decades.
on November 5,2013 | 02:21PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
The foolibuster is over - finally. Time for equality, civil rights, and SSM for LGTGs.
on November 5,2013 | 02:27PM
mcc wrote:
The so called "Christians" are fighting their Holy War on Civil Rights. What happened to separation of Church and State?
on November 5,2013 | 02:49PM
LanaUlulani wrote:
What happened to local peoples rights specifically the right to freedom of speech without government intervetion, the right to vote, and the right to religious freedom.

I am pro gay marriage myself... and local people have rights too. So glad they have been speaking of their rights.
on November 5,2013 | 02:58PM
Fred01 wrote:
"local peoples"???
on November 5,2013 | 03:41PM
LanaUlulani wrote:
Yes... local peoples. They have rights too. Mahalo.
on November 5,2013 | 05:47PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Ridiculous. What does that mean? There are no local LGTGs?
on November 5,2013 | 05:55PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
What he probably means is that if it wasn't for Heterosexuals, no one would be here, not even you. But then Pity, you don't understand.
on November 5,2013 | 06:27PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
daniwitz13 - How can you possibly know what LanaUlulani means? You don't even know what you mean? Pitiful.
on November 5,2013 | 06:58PM
8082062424 wrote:
Let see local people those born and raised here those who come from generation that were born here and lived here. Those who believe in the 1839 Constitution of the Hawaiian kingdom. remember those people . as she states they all should have the right to freedom of speech without government intervention, the right to vote, and the right to religious freedom.. makes perfect sense to me.. What she also mean for the most part the folks we have seen on tv thru these hearing for SSm have been transplants. and that some thing that been noticed and talked about daily all thru Hawaii. and Hawaii has many local LGTGs in fact wee have many many well known ones here but did you notice that none spoke out for SSM and it not because of fear. it because they have there own culture beliefs. in fact we have a few well known transplants here that are gay a nd even they did not speak in favor
on November 6,2013 | 08:44AM
boshio wrote:
No to SSM.
on November 5,2013 | 04:21PM
Squiggs wrote:
No to boshio.
on November 5,2013 | 11:15PM
droid wrote:
mcc — you are making the Church’s point. SEPARATION of Church and State. That is what they were fighting for and that is EXACTLY what Rep. Scott Saiki said the legislature is going to give them.

Read the article again — s-l-o-w-l-y so that you may comprehend and understand.
on November 5,2013 | 03:36PM
kkuwahar wrote:
The Christians are fighting for the 1st amendment right to stop the State from dictating what the church MUST believe. If they pass the SB1 as the senate, it would not stand a chance of standing as constitutional. Some of the reps have it right, and hope they will allow small business and other faith based businesses, the right to run their business according to their faith beliefs. There are many businesses and churches that will cater to the SSM, so there is no need to force Christians to go against their beliefs. There is no hate towards Gay and Lesbian. We just believe that as we are all sinners, that is a sin that we cannot condone. Jesus himself mentioned in Matt 19:4-5, the sacredness of marriage between man and woman. Read it for yourselves. Praying for the legislators to do what is right. Ultimately, we know He is in control.
on November 5,2013 | 04:11PM
Anonymous wrote:
if you are gonna conduct business, you have to follow the rules that all business have to follow, and that includes not being able to discriminate. If you can't play by the rules, then you are not entitled to engage in commerce. You can't pick and choose when to follow The Constitution (even if you can do that to The Bible when it is convenient).
on November 5,2013 | 05:19PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
But what is Homosexuality? To choose ONLY one Gender over another, to exclude the other. But of course this is NOT discrimination to you, of course not. Pity
on November 5,2013 | 06:33PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
daniwitz13 - But what is Heterosexuality? To choose ONLY one Gender over another, to exclude the other. But of course this is NOT discrimination to you, of course not. Pity *** Sounds incredibly stupid either way and you were responsible for it. Pitiful.
on November 5,2013 | 07:00PM
concerned1 wrote:
Say a lesbian couple marries, but one of them is bisexual, she also wants to marry a male, well "love is love" equal rights justified. heck, i also love my dog, where is my "equal right?" What about my brother, I'd like to marry him also. Where does it end?
on November 5,2013 | 07:56PM
wes wrote:
So you're saying the only truly non-discriminatory people in this world are bi-sexual...?
on November 6,2013 | 10:01AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
It sounds like you're asking for the right to discriminate against gays legally. I doubt any of them will want to get married where they are not really welcome however Churches should not be forced to perform gay marriages if it violates their religious beliefs. They should not be able to discriminate in the rental of facilities though. If it's rented out to others, it should be available to all.
on November 5,2013 | 07:34PM
gwanma wrote:
There have been people who have denied service to gay couples because of their belief, like cake makers, etc. they have been sued for discrimination even though the couple could have easily gone to another bakery or vendor to get their service. They have been purposefully going out of their way to make their point. As a business owner, i would like to keep my right to refuse to serve. Do you see how thin the line is? That is why they want to stop this law. The threat is too real that our individual rights will be taken away. Parents will need to fear that their children will be taken away when we teach them what the bible says. They will be accused of "hate speech". Don't believe it? See what is happening in the states that have SSM.
on November 6,2013 | 08:12AM
daniwitz13 wrote:
mcc, why not separation of Orientations from State. There are hundreds of Orientations and they elevate only one. Now that is discrimination. Where is your Equality. Pity
on November 5,2013 | 06:22PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
daniwitz13 - Congratulation. This comment was even more stupid than the one you made above. There are no limits to your stupid comments. Pitiful.
on November 5,2013 | 07:01PM
blackmurano wrote:
Makapuu. There is no such thing as Equality in Marriage. You can rephrase that to read no such thing as a perversion marriage. Homosexual marriage is a perversion of God's creation.
on November 5,2013 | 05:31PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - No god(s). Just people.
on November 5,2013 | 05:56PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
But where does PEOPLE come from, certainly NOT Same Sex Marriages. Clueless comes to mind. Pity
on November 5,2013 | 06:35PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
daniwitz13 - People come from people. Some of these people are LGTG. Did you even take biology?
on November 5,2013 | 07:03PM
Nala007 wrote:
There is such a thing. The hawaii house and senate will say so, not you blackmurano
on November 5,2013 | 06:17PM
hotterotter wrote:
The reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968): "Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love... Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate...but to win friendship and understanding." "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that." "Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”
on November 5,2013 | 02:38PM
false wrote:
That about sums it up.
on November 5,2013 | 03:29PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Yep. Says it all.
on November 5,2013 | 04:26PM
aomohoa wrote:
Thank you hotterotter.
on November 5,2013 | 07:15PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
He also said this in Ebony Magazine: "The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired,” King wrote. “You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it.” Sorry, but love/hate has nothing to do with this. It is simply a matter of whether you feel the line that society draws should move to include a gay marriage. The line has moved obviously. In another 25 years or so, this debate will arise again and the line will once again be moved IMO. I think the line should have remained where it was.
on November 5,2013 | 07:35PM
TheFarm wrote:
Time to do the right thing and pass the bill!
on November 5,2013 | 02:39PM
LanaUlulani wrote:
Actually time to do the right thing and do it the PONO way not the hewa way they are doing now. I am pro gay marriage. A foundation built on pono begets more pono. A foundation built on this hew begets more hewa. They should do it pono or else don't do it at all!
on November 5,2013 | 02:59PM
lookup wrote:
I agree...the lgbt deserve to choose what they want in life and get the same Fed. benefits but...this is not the right way, to rush it will only leave the bill flawed. fix it on the Fed. level so that the State of Hawaii and it's people will not suffer. What will happen when no more Asian visitors come and spend their money here because of their strong convictions against homosexuality? Lost visitors = lost money= lost jobs = lost taxes and that will effect all of us including lgbt.
on November 5,2013 | 05:46PM
Nala007 wrote:
The bill mirrors the civil union law as well as the marriage laws of other states. It is not flawed. The only people who believe it is flawed are people who oppose it. No amount of tinkering will make it palatable to people who at their core oppose it n
on November 5,2013 | 06:19PM
wes wrote:
disagree...most asian cultures are not homophobic like america.
on November 6,2013 | 10:04AM
boshio wrote:
No to SSM.
on November 5,2013 | 04:20PM
Nala007 wrote:
You can keep saying "No to SSM" as much as you like but that won't change reality. SSM will be passed into law by next week.
on November 5,2013 | 06:20PM
Squiggs wrote:
No to boshio.
on November 5,2013 | 11:19PM
hikine wrote:
Pass it already. They should have the same rights as hetero couples, they pay the same taxes as everyone else but doesn't get the full benefits it offers. Life is too short and we're all hung up on people being gay! Let it be!
on November 5,2013 | 02:48PM
boshio wrote:
No to SSM.
on November 5,2013 | 04:20PM
aomohoa wrote:
Your comments are useless when you just keep repeating yourself.
on November 5,2013 | 07:17PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Honey, did anyone feed the dogs?....
on November 5,2013 | 06:18PM
aomohoa wrote:
Wow, where at the religious fanatics and homophobes today. LOL
on November 5,2013 | 02:54PM
LanaUlulani wrote:
Exercising their right to religious freedom and their right to freedom of expression without government intervention. That's where.
on November 5,2013 | 02:59PM
Eradication wrote:
This is the first post you've made without feeling the need to say you are pro gay...but.....the difference between your argument about freedom of speech, expression (?) without government intervention (?) and what is happening is that until now a select large part of our population are not considered to be equal under the same laws as it relates to marriage. That is not pono and that create hewa. The debate is whether or not the so called moral majority has he right to impose their religious views (and there are many varied) into our legal system to the point where there is no visible separation between religion (church) and state (laws). If you want to look at hypocrisy, look at the tax exempt status of churches yet they have a very powerful say in our government and the laws that are passed while, up until now, gay people pay taxes like everyone else yet are not afforded equal rights. Marriage equality is equality for all.
on November 5,2013 | 03:38PM
LanaUlulani wrote:
I state that I am pro gay marriage ibecause I am pro gay marriage.

In addition it is some other pro gay marriage supporters who are the most vile to me.

As far as gay rights is concerned I am equal rights for all. Gays and transgenders have rights. So do local people.

Those who are annoying you have a right to speak without government intervention. Period. Same for gays who want to marry. There is no double standard.
on November 5,2013 | 05:49PM
blackmurano wrote:
"I'm here, no homophobes. How about homobible? Aomohoa are you afraid what God may say about those who are calling for Equality in Marriage? Read it. There is no provision for perversion marriages.
on November 5,2013 | 06:01PM
editors wrote:
Really? No provision? Well then I guess you wouldn't consider bigamy a "perversion marriage," since the Bible does seem to endorse multiple wives.
on November 5,2013 | 08:53PM
A_Reader wrote:
They had "Hearings" but they aren't listening...their mind is already made up. Too bad I would think the people's voice could be heard at the voting booth but we get short term memory loss.
on November 5,2013 | 03:00PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
A_Reader - They listened ad nauseum. Same lame anti-SSM garbage over and over. 1,000 versions of the same manure is still manure.
on November 5,2013 | 05:57PM
jomama wrote:
funny thing was the aunties who sang. They looked cute in the photograph but heard them on TV and was pretty bad.
on November 5,2013 | 06:09PM
blackmurano wrote:
Makapuu your smelling the sewage but its not coming from those who are attempting to stop this perversion marriages. Look at yourself in the mirrior and smell. . .
on November 5,2013 | 06:09PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
All I can smell is blackmumbojumbo. And, it's real bad.
on November 5,2013 | 07:05PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
you 2 are more entertaining than the article. that's really funny makapuu
on November 5,2013 | 07:39PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
At least they used sentences, not EQUALITY, 10,000 times. The other side gave arguments, you side, EQUALITY for emotional effect only. Like feeding pablum only. Pity
on November 5,2013 | 06:41PM
NismoMatt808 wrote:
Imagine how great the world would be if only people could channel their energies, pull their resources, and involve their families as they did for this.... I'm disappointed in our spiritual leaders and the perspective from their churches. So much for the overall equality and love for all--very hypocritical.
on November 5,2013 | 03:06PM
juke wrote:
like you know the God of the bible.or believe it.
on November 5,2013 | 03:20PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
juke - There is no god. The many bibles are works of fiction written by humans, often misinterpreted, and often mistranslated.
on November 5,2013 | 03:29PM
lookup wrote:
Makapuu4...stop making statements you know nothing about! The issue is about making a law for the State of Hawaii this is good for all of the citizens. Nobody cares who you choose to worship.
on November 5,2013 | 05:51PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
lookup - Apparently blackmumbojumbo does.
on November 5,2013 | 06:49PM
blackmurano wrote:
Hmm . .Makapuu tell it to God when you meet Him face to face on Judgment Day. Than you will be cast into hell. Seems very unloving? Sometimes the truth hurts when one is involved with a lifestyle or behavior that God says will hurt you.
on November 5,2013 | 06:03PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - Since there is no god, it seems quite unlikely that this will happen.
on November 5,2013 | 06:50PM
aomohoa wrote:
You have a lot of hate in you for someone who believes in God. I believe in a God that created everyone thing and everyone. Whatever you want to call hin or her. Doesn't that mean that God made some people Gay?People don't choice to be Gay they are born that way. God made them that way.
on November 5,2013 | 07:25PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
Makapuu4. There is no Gays. No body can prove it. Sure Homosexuality exist in some people's mind only. Can those that study Homosexuality pick one out in crowd? No, No, No. Gays only "claim" it. Not prove it. Gays give no due process of Law with proof. "There is no Gay" It is a fiction devised by Humans. Pity
on November 5,2013 | 06:47PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
daniwitz13 - Then SSM should be of no concern to you.
on November 5,2013 | 07:06PM
false wrote:
No kidding. Even going so far as to putting children up to the mike. I don't know.
on November 5,2013 | 03:34PM
lookup wrote:
Those young adults who spoke are also entitled to free speech, after all it is their future that will be mangled and confused with a bad law.
on November 5,2013 | 05:58PM
juke wrote:
there is no such thing.show it to me in writing
on November 5,2013 | 03:16PM
GrLan21 wrote:
I'm waiting for the next logical step -- legalized poligamy & being able to marry legally your brother or sister or even pet. lol!
on November 5,2013 | 03:57PM
Venus1 wrote:
I am waiting for the evolution of people like you with phony arguments against Gay Marriage. Perhaps it will take more education, perhaps you will tire of this 'silly game' and find another rant. Ho hum....
on November 5,2013 | 04:58PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
Venus1. I am waiting also for evolution to swing around and make Gay couples to make Humans like Heterosexuals had to do for millions of years. Sorry to burst your bubble, you did NOT come from Homosexuals, not that you'd mind but really? Pity
on November 5,2013 | 06:55PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
daniwitz13 - You need to wait around until evolution hits your head. Right now you have the intelligence of an amoeba.
on November 5,2013 | 07:13PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Why do you feel civil rights to marry should stop at gay and straight marriage?
on November 5,2013 | 07:28PM
Bothrops wrote:
that must make your pets nervous
on November 5,2013 | 05:17PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Bothrops - Good one. What about GrLan21's sister and brother?
on November 5,2013 | 06:52PM
blackmurano wrote:
Poligamy? It's coming.
on November 5,2013 | 06:04PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
blackmurano wrote: Poligamy? It's coming.

You mean like in the old testament and the christian Mormon faith?


on November 5,2013 | 06:11PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - Check with some of your Mormon brethren, it's already here. Move to one of these spots and bore them to death.
on November 5,2013 | 06:54PM
aomohoa wrote:
And the sky is falling. LOL You are so ridiculous!
on November 5,2013 | 07:27PM
aomohoa wrote:
When you make a radical statement like that it just makes you sound stupid!
on November 5,2013 | 07:26PM
CloudForest wrote:
But Betty loves her dog and Fred thinks his cat is soooooo cute ------- now that the chains have been left loose, marriage to your three lovers or pet can't be too far behind. It appears that the delegation from Sodom was delayed by brimstone .........
on November 5,2013 | 04:50PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
CloudForest - You can marry Betty, her dog, Fred, and his cat. It will be a fivesome. Assuming that any of them would have you.
on November 5,2013 | 06:55PM
aomohoa wrote:
STUPID PARANOID STATEMENT
on November 5,2013 | 07:28PM
blackmurano wrote:
The predomanately Democrats in the State legislature has made it possible for the one step closer of a "moral collapse" in our State of Hawaii. Blame it on the Democrats who control this State since 1959 when we became the 50th State in the Union. They have ignored God's warning on His Covenant of marriage one man and one woman. Instead would only consider men's law instead of God's. Not believing in a God is NO excuse at all. Read Romans Chapter one in the Holy Bible. We are all accountable to the God who formed all of us in our "Mother's womb." Thousands of testimony, including mine, went in one ear and out the other with no serioius consideration by these Democrats. They think their helping a small minority of people whom God says are "not normal with a debased mined" but instead their messing with a "Godly Covenant." Judgment is coming and it will come when God will toss them into the lake of fire (Revelation chapter 20) forever and ever. But again words from God goes into their ear and out the other ear with no seriousness of what they have done.
on November 5,2013 | 05:24PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Oh lordy, lordy, blackmumbojumbo claims the sky is falling. Woe is we.
on November 5,2013 | 05:58PM
false wrote:
Hang on to your wallets and purses. Black is coming.
on November 5,2013 | 06:44PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
He might mean the end of Mankind. But what do you care, Homosexuals didn't make it any way, who cares. Certainly NOT Gays, they only care about themselves because they have NO FUTURE. The future is the farthest thing from their thoughts, Pity
on November 5,2013 | 07:00PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
The outcome of this bill was decided before the special session was even scheduled. All those who stood in line for an opportunity to speak were really just wasting their time. I understand that many people have strong religious beliefs about gay marriage but am surprised how many of them want gays to live by their beliefs. Everyone has the right to live their life the way they want as long as it brings no harm to others.
on November 5,2013 | 07:53PM
gregaloha wrote:
Jesus would marry a gay couple! One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself 2.1 Global ethic 2.2 Bahá'í Faith 2.3 Buddhism 2.4 Christianity 2.5 Confucianism 2.6 Hinduism 2.7 Humanism 2.8 Islam 2.9 Jainism 2.10 Judaism 2.10.1 Context 2.10.2 Sources 2.11 Mohism 2.12 Platonism 2.13 Scientology 2.14 Sikhism 2.15 Taoism 2.16 The Way to Happiness 2.17 Wicca
on November 5,2013 | 05:25PM
blackmurano wrote:
Gregaloha - How could Jesus marry a homosexual couple. The words from Jesus Christ "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his "father" and "mother" and be joined to "his wife", and the two shall become one flesh, so then they are nolong two, but one flesh. There what God has joined together (marriage), let not man separate." (Mark 9:6-9). Besides during the time Jesus Christ was on earth, "homosexuality was a CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BY DEADH."
on November 5,2013 | 05:58PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
blackmurano wrote: "Besides during the time Jesus Christ was on earth, "homosexuality was a CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BY DEADH."

Well, to be fair, during the time Jesus Christ was on earth, being Jesus Christ was a CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BY DEATH.

Do you think we should use that reasoning to ban Jesus? Do you see how silly you sound?


on November 5,2013 | 06:16PM
aomohoa wrote:
You can;t take a paranoid religious fanatic homophone seriously. LOL
on November 5,2013 | 07:31PM
7yearTribulation wrote:
Buggery Law In Bahamas , What Is Buggery? Coming Full Circle With HIV/AIDS Published: Tuesday November 11, 2008 | 8:22 pm0 Comments MONTE BAY, Jamaica, CMC: Two and a half decades after it was branded "the gay plague" AIDS is again taking a toll on certain vulnerable groups within the Caribbean Community (CARICOM), one of them being men who have sex with men. Globally, homosexual and bi-sexual males are 19 times as likely to contract HIV than the rest of the population and data released at the 8th Annual General Meeting of the Pan Caribbean Partnership Against HIV/AIDS (PANCAP) in October show that in this part of the world, the HIV prevalence among that group is very high. While data was not available for every member country, the available statistics showed the Bahamas with a prevalence rate of 8.2 per cent in 2007; Cuba - 5.2 per cent in 1988 and 0.86 per cent in 2007; Guyana - 21 per cent in 2006; and Jamaica - from 9.6 per cent in 1988 to 31.8 per cent in 2007. When AIDS first appeared in the 1980s, the mystery virus was labelled as being a homosexual disease. lessons But officials say the data showing HIV prevalence among men who have sex with men prove that the early lessons of the AIDS epidemic have been forgotten in the Caribbean and the time has come for the region to take what could be the boldest step yet in fighting the disease - repealing of buggery laws. Cuba, the Caribbean country with the lowest HIV prevalence among gay men, does not have a buggery law, while The Bahamas repealed the Buggery Act in the early 1990s. With precedent already set in the Caribbean, a leading Jamaican health official says it is time for the rest of the region follow suit. "Any lawyer worth their salt will tell you that the Buggery Act is just a very poor piece of legislation and needs to be repealed; and someone has to take the initiative on this," Head of Epidemiology and AIDS in the Ministry of Health in Jamaica, Dr. Peter Figueroa told nearly 200 delegates at the PANCAP meeting. caution The health official cautioned social advocates, who mainly want gay acceptance and religious groups that oppose legalising homosexuality, that his motive was based primarily on a public health perspective. "We are respecting whatever views there are concerning the morality of it. We are looking at it from a public health perspective, affirming the human rights of people to choose their sexuality and also recognising that this will help to reduce the spread of HIV." "What is more, repealing outdated legislation like this, if we repeal the Buggery Act it reduces risky behaviour and puts the onus on men who have sex with men to act in a responsible way." "What we are seeking to do at this level in the Caribbean is to raise the level of debate and information-sharing with regard to these practices and how there is a need to seriously discuss decriminalisation and how this can impact positively on our fight to reduce stigma and discrimination within the Caribbean region and generally I would say within the AIDS global fight," St. Kitts and Nevis Prime Minister Dr. Denzil Douglas said at the International AIDS Conference in Mexico City earlier this year. "I think we need to take this to another level, I think the level of prime ministers, so that the caucus of Heads of CARICOM can address this issue of buggery," Dominica's Health Minister John Fabien told the Caribbean Media Corporation (CMC). "I will be driving the process back home and try to see how we could get things going but I recognise that as a Caribbean community we need to really fall in line and try to get it off the books," Fabien added. Caribbean countries are among 85 which have laws criminalising sex between men.
on November 5,2013 | 05:27PM
localguy wrote:
Is there a point to your mindless drivel? I fell asleep reading it, so boring, rambling, nothing of interest. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
on November 5,2013 | 05:50PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
7yearTribulation is blackmumbojumbo identical knuckleheaded twin.
on November 5,2013 | 05:59PM
geo333 wrote:
Do you really think all those devils disciples really care what God fearing people think. It’s too late already; the state’s law makers have opened the path to Hell. Each one of them has the ability to comprehend right from wrong. They will have to live with their decision and behind closed doors I bet you more than one of them are asking themselves "Did I make the right decision" On judgment day the Lord may just say "My child was it written in the Holy Bible, Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve?" While to some I may come across as a religious fanatic, trust me I am not, but I do believe in the Lord, I do believe what is written in the Holy Bible and I know how to understand it. Think about it, if our beloved planet was just a little closer to the Sun, we would burn up or just a little further away we would freeze to death. Was the not God himself that created what we call planet Earth? Do you really think science has all the answers? You can fool yourself into thinking such nonsense, but mark my words on judgment day you will get to meet the Lord up-close and personal.
on November 5,2013 | 06:05PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
7yearTribulation, blackmumbojumbo,and geo333 are identical knuckleheaded triplets. Scary stuff.
on November 5,2013 | 06:41PM
hawaiikone wrote:
2 Timothy 3 lays it all out. Believers have done a lousy job of calling to a world falling away from God. We have much to regret, as our own attempts to blend with our surroundings has weakened our testimony. We are indeed living in the end times.
on November 5,2013 | 06:47PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
7yearTribulation, blackmumbojumbo, geo333, and hawaiikone are identical knuckleheaded quadruplets. Super scary stuff.
on November 5,2013 | 07:09PM
hawaiikone wrote:
So will you read it?
on November 5,2013 | 08:08PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
No.
on November 6,2013 | 05:38AM
aomohoa wrote:
You sound like one of those crazy people talking to themselves on a corner.
on November 5,2013 | 07:33PM
localguy wrote:
Slam dunk now. Hawaii will be the 16th state to approve SSM, meaning now 32% of the states approved SSM. Wow, the sun still comes up, the stock marked didn't crash, no changes to our lives, the world moves on. Yes, the weak minded religious m i n i o n s were all wrong.
on November 5,2013 | 05:49PM
blackmurano wrote:
Localguy you seem to think the issue of this "perversion of God's creation - homosexual marriage has ended. It's far from over. God will have the last word on Judgment Day. It feels that Christians has lost the battle to those who do not believe in God. It's not over yet. Judgment is coming. . .
on November 5,2013 | 06:07PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - Until then let's party. Knuckleheads like you have been threatening the rest of us with this nonsense for 2,000 years. Take a hint. It's not going to happen.
on November 5,2013 | 06:42PM
aomohoa wrote:
Maybe God will judge YOU harshly for being such a nasty heartless person.
on November 5,2013 | 07:34PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
The committee on JUD recommends that the measure be PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes were as follows: 8 Ayes: Representative(s) Rhoads, Belatti, Brower, Coffman, Kawakami, Lee, Wooley, Thielen; Ayes with reservations: none; 5 Noes: Har, Carroll, Ito, Tsuji, McDermott; and None Excused ***** The committee on FIN recommends that the measure be PASSED WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes were as follows: 10 Ayes: Representative(s) Luke, Nishimoto, Hashem, Ing, Kobayashi, Lowen, Morikawa, Onishi, Takayama, Yamashita; Ayes with reservations: none; 7 Noes: Johanson, Cullen, Jordan, Tokioka, Woodson, Fukumoto, Ward; and None Excused ***** Doesn't look good for you homophobes. 18 Yes, 12 No ==> Best Guess Final Vote: 31 Yes, 20 No.
on November 5,2013 | 06:39PM
Mana07 wrote:
Hows that obamacare working for you arsewipe?
on November 5,2013 | 07:05PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Mana07 - It hasn't even started yet dipwad.
on November 5,2013 | 07:10PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Wrong about what? Let's talk after we see what society becomes in a generation or two with this kind of liberal, anything goes policies. Fortunately, we won't be here. I wonder if what our grandkids will be arguing about then?
on November 5,2013 | 07:39PM
syhud wrote:
The next step for the anti's. Lawsuit!
on November 5,2013 | 05:59PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
syhud - You can waste your time and money.
on November 5,2013 | 06:43PM
Haoulie wrote:
So the Hawaii government knows whats best for us Hawaiian people! We voted and 70% said no and 25% did not care and only 5% wanted it, the homosexuals and lesbians. Stop using Gay - its homosexual and you know its wrong!
on November 5,2013 | 06:12PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
This has been your rectally.extracted facts from Haoulie.
on November 5,2013 | 06:43PM
2NDC wrote:
Since the majority were "against" the bill, our lawmakers should not pass it. Whoever votes "for" it better have a very good reason, otherwise they are voting contrary to their constituents and should be replaced in the next election.
on November 5,2013 | 06:13PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
OK.
on November 5,2013 | 06:44PM
Haoulie wrote:
We, the people, said "No" but Abercrombie said he knows more than what the people want. It Homosexual not gay!
on November 5,2013 | 06:13PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The Marriage Equality bill has only passed committee - not the entire House.

The House intends to amend the Senate bill to provide protection to religious freedom and liberty because the Senate version is an abomination in that SB1 will cause persecution of non-profit religious institutions who charge a fee for weddings and force these religious institutions against their will to have SSM solemnized in their grounds or facilities.
on November 5,2013 | 06:42PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Kuniarr - That's how that works. It passes the committees first. The Senate accepts their amendment(s) or they have a conference committee. It will happen and you will continue to whine to no avail.
on November 5,2013 | 06:47PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Kuniarr - Some quick math for you. 18 of 51 house members are already on record as for SSM (12 of 51 opposed). SSM needs only 8 of 21 to win, opponents (i.e., losers) need 14 of 21 to win. You do the math. Projected final count: 31 For, 20 Against. 31 >> 20. Measure passes. Kuniarr cries.
on November 5,2013 | 07:27PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Makapuu4 what the helllll are you ranting there for?

Read the first sentence of the news item above. It says:
"State House lawmakers agreed this evening to advance a marriage equality bill that would allow same-sex couples to marry but would expand a religious exemption to better protect religious freedom. Kuniarr wrote: "The House intends to amend the Senate bill to provide protection to religious freedom and liberty"... because etc. etc.
on November 5,2013 | 09:48PM
blackmurano wrote:
Protect religious freedom??? This whole issue of homosexual marriage is a step closer to a total collapse of morality in Hawaii, period!. God did not provide Equality in Marriage in His covenant. In fact Marriage Equality is a sin again God's Covenant of marriage of one man and one woman. Expand religious exemption for the sake of legitimizing "perversion" marriage in Hawaii???//
on November 5,2013 | 10:27PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Makapuu4 what the helllll are you whining there for? Are you in your tantrum again? Do you even know what I was talking?

Section (3)(B) of SB1.
on November 5,2013 | 09:40PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Do you?
on November 6,2013 | 05:39AM
anykineguy wrote:
Why not just put it on the ballot and let the people vote on it. Why leave it in the hands of "lawmakers" who do thing in they're best interest and not the majority of the general public. After voting if it's passed then so be it, the people voted.
on November 5,2013 | 06:52PM
2NDC wrote:
The people have spoken. The "pro" folks cannot understand that and won't let go. Aberscumbee and Blake Oshiro will be the first couple to tie the knot under the new law should it pass. :-(
on November 5,2013 | 07:18PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
anykineguy - Give it a rest. It's all over.
on November 5,2013 | 08:07PM
7yearTribulation wrote:
getting closer to the day to separate the sheep from the goats
on November 5,2013 | 07:04PM
Mana07 wrote:
So the overwhelming majority were against it...yet the dems that YOU voted for went against your desires. The Hawaii house and senate could give a darn about what the people want. Hey let's learn this time..vote their tails out.
on November 5,2013 | 07:04PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
daniwitz13 - You side dumb.
on November 5,2013 | 07:05PM
anykineguy wrote:
Does it say anywhere about the testimony results. How many for and how many against? Why make the people of Hawaii pay for this circus and waste everyone's time if their minds were already made up? It's like a job opening at Matson, just going throughout the legality of posting the job even though it's already been filled. Giving everyone false hopes.
on November 5,2013 | 07:20PM
concerned1 wrote:
Did you ever watch the movie Chuck and Larry? Lol, a must see.
on November 5,2013 | 07:31PM
slim wrote:
I am married, have a wife, and cannot for the life of me understand why folks would be opposed to two people of the same gender, in love who want to show their love, and receive equal protection the same to opposite gendered married couples. Let alone how do they have time to spew anti same sex diatribes in the name of Jesus. Christ: Jesus that is, told everyone to love their brother, and this from a guy the hui'd with a 12 bearded bros. Pass the Bill, live and let live, bring the folks here to marry in the sun, and just watch, the world will not fall apart. Peace and Aloha
on November 5,2013 | 07:43PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
7yearTribulation, blackmumbojumbo, geo333, and hawaiikone - Read this post.
on November 5,2013 | 08:01PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Why are you stopping at gay and straight marriage? Or do you think civil rights only extends that far?
on November 5,2013 | 08:18PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Give it a rest. It's all over.
on November 5,2013 | 08:30PM
blackmurano wrote:
Makapuu I can tell once more, it's not over. It might be over when those Democrats completely ignore the voters in this State but most importantly of all they have ignored God's warning of redefining God's Covenant of marriage of one man and one woamen. It's far from over. There is the Judgment to deal with these unrepented sinners including you.
on November 5,2013 | 10:16PM
blackmurano wrote:
Slim there is nothing wrong with a man loving another man or a woman loving another woman, but a sexual expression of that love is strictly prohibited. Holy Scripture teaches that God is love. But that teaching cannot be twisted to suport behavior that contradicts other verses in the Bible that establish God's boundaries for emotional and sexual intimacy. Jesus Christ even affrim marriage as one man and woman. Again, yes God is love. But it seems those who support homosexual marriage forget or knowingly forget that God is a holy God. With that aid, God will not allow His "love" that His holiness condemned. No matter what the State Democrats including that former vietnam activcist Governor Abercrombie will do, God, the same God who formed you in your mother's womb, will have the last word on Judgment day. It's a sad day when all will be cast into hell after facing God for what they did.
on November 5,2013 | 10:22PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Happy Halloween. Should have just passed it on the 31st.
on November 5,2013 | 07:44PM
concerned1 wrote:
This world is upside down.
on November 5,2013 | 07:58PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
concerned1 - Just yours.
on November 5,2013 | 08:02PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
The government should not be in the business of deciding who can or can't get married. You can't legislate morality.
on November 5,2013 | 08:01PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Sorry, you absolutely can and we do. Why do you think we have a judicial system and prisons? Who said murder, stealing, abuse was morally wrong? Morality must be taken into account in any civilized society. Now how you arrive at those standards can be debated, but society has to make calls regarding acceptable behavior.
on November 5,2013 | 08:20PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Sleep tight homophobes. Tomorrow is a big day.
on November 5,2013 | 08:04PM
blackmurano wrote:
Makapuu you also sleep well, you homobible. Judgment is coming and is coming real soon. You will stand before God, you and Him alone. There is no need to make any excuses because God has recorded every word and deeds in your life while you are on earth. How so very sad when you and those unrependted Democrats are toss into hell. You can laugh. You can mock at what I I said, but it's a face and it's coming.
on November 5,2013 | 10:13PM
matthew56 wrote:
This looks like this the week that democracy dies in Hawaii. Whether you are for or against the issue, our nation is supposed to be based on the will of the people and the will of the people was evident at the capital over the last week. Those who are supposed to represent us have chosen to ignore the will of the people. The truth is there are very few supporters of SB1 as was evident by their absence during written and verbal testimony. Since our senators and representatives have shown that they don't care what the majority of the people of Hawaii want, its time to show them the door next year and remind them that they are supposed to work for us not against us.
on November 5,2013 | 08:09PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
matthew56 - I guess those for SSM just couldn't fill up enough buses with knuckleheaded sheep. They didn't try to substitute testifiers or steal the list either. And, they didn't try to phony up statistics about who was for and against. Fortunately, SSM proponents had the people's elected representatives on their side and won.
on November 5,2013 | 08:34PM
Kuokoa wrote:
...and what the voters think does not matter. Go ahead, make our day!
on November 5,2013 | 09:46PM
jimbone wrote:
Wow, it just passed the house. I feel sorry for one of my coworker, , cause he will be out of a job, cause my boss not paying medical and benefits for his husband.
on November 5,2013 | 10:33PM
blackmurano wrote:
Our State Democrats in the Legislature talk of "Equality in Marriage." There is no such thing as "Equality in Marriage." This is an attempt to redefine God's Covenant of marriage of one man and one woman. But those Democrats ignore the majority for Traditional marriage in favor of legitimizing "Perversion Marriage" in Hawaii. They have taken one step closer to a total collapse of morality in Hawaii. Since these Democrats ignore the "will of the people" they have dones damaged to themselves when they ignored the God who formed each of us in our mother's womb. They and their supporters think this issue is about done. But they don't realize that God will have the last word when each of them face God Almighty on Judgment day. There is no second chance or any excuses. For God has recorded every word that came out of their mouth and deeds. Than they will be cast into the lake of fire with the Devil and his demon angels forever and ever. You can laugh or mocked at my statement, but Judgment is coming and coming quickly.
on November 5,2013 | 10:35PM
honupono wrote:
the hate and cra* that came out of those religious hypocrite's mouths are enough to make any civilization cringe. Mindless lambs.
on November 5,2013 | 10:36PM
blackmurano wrote:
Aloha honupono. You are calling God, the one who formed you in your mother's womb "hate." Just because HE said marriage is for one man and one woman, you calling Him hate. You are a good example of what the Prophet Isaiah said in his era of evil. "Evil is good, and good is evil. Your eyes only see evil that you think is good. honupono you can't even see what Hawaii will soon become - totally collapse of morality.
on November 5,2013 | 11:39PM
blackmurano wrote:
In addition, in the next few weeks you will see in the morning StarAdvertiser's Letter to the Editor letters leaning towards homosexual marriages. The StarAdvertiser has been biased all the along. They screen all the incoming letters including emails and print those that favor homosexual marriage fooling the Public thinking that the will of the people are for this Equality in Marriage or Perversion marriages. Most say when election comes along again, kick these donkeys out of office. Unfortunately the citizens of this State always have a short memory when election comes around. The only best solution in removing these Democrats is "Totally Recall" them through petition. That includes U.S. Senator Brian Shultz who has been pushing homosexual marriages from his office in Washington DC.
on November 6,2013 | 06:39AM
CloudForest wrote:
God Almighty loves even the homosexuals of the world, for even they can be saved by the love of Christ and the message of the cross. Harken you that commit all types of sins --- run to the cross! Do not walk, do not delay, RUN!! Save your souls! For time is short and those who do not choose life will be left on the wrong side of the great divide. Woe to the mocikers, those who call good evil and evil good, for they will have a life that is torn asunder and take many with them to the pit ......... "multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision ......."
on November 6,2013 | 12:03AM
gwanma wrote:
BRAVO! House Committee. We actually thought you were listening to the people's voices and hearts. I was totally fooled into believing that you all were actually caring about the people. What a performance!! But after 80% of the people opposed this bill, you went ahead and passed it. We elected great actors!
on November 6,2013 | 08:03AM
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