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ABERCROMBIE WILL SIGN GAY MARRIAGE BILL WEDNESDAY

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 01:17 a.m. HST, Nov 13, 2013


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The state Senate, as expected, overwhelmingly approved a marriage equity bill today, sending the measure to Gov. Neil Abercrombie who has vowed to sign it and make Hawaii the 15th state to legalize same-sex marriage.

An invitation-only bill-signing ceremony is set for 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Hawaii Convention Center's Liliu Theater. The event will be streamed live at http://governor.hawaii.com and broadcast on 'Olelo's channel 55. 

Today's 19-4 vote, while historic, was a somewhat anti-climatic end to the legislative special session that began Oct. 28 and included more than 55 hours of public testimony, followed by two day-long sessions in the House where lawmakers approved the bill late Friday night in a 30-19 vote.

"I look forward to signing this significant piece of legislation, which provides marriage equity and fully recognizes and protects religious freedoms," Abercrombie said in a statement after the Senate vote.

Click here for today's vote breakdown, which is on Derrick DePledge's Political Radar blog.

President Barack Obama issued a statement soon after the vote, saying, "I want to congratulate the Hawaii State Legislature on passing legislation in support of marriage equality."

"I've always been proud to have been born in Hawaii, and today's vote makes me even prouder. And Michelle and I extend our best wishes to all those in Hawaii whose families will now be given the security and respect they deserve," he said.

More than half the state Senate lawmakers spoke in support of the bill today, with many urging the public to come together to heal divisions within the community.

"This is nothing more than the expansion of aloha in Hawaii," said Sen. J. Kalani English, a Democrat from Maui.

Sen. Sam Slom, the chamber's only Republican, said the government should stay out of legislating marriage. "People have differences, and you can't legislate morality. You can try, but you can't do it," he said.

Once the bill is signed into law, gay couples could get married in Hawaii as soon as Dec. 2. Clergy would have the right to refuse to perform gay weddings. Churches and other religious organizations would be able to decline to provide goods, services and facilities for gay weddings and celebrations if it violates their religious beliefs.

Two senators -- Donovan Dela Cruz and Brian T. Taniguchi -- were excused from today's vote. The four no votes were Senate President Donna Mercado Kim, Sens. Mike Gabbard, Ronald Kouchi, and Slom.

Senators took up the bill a second time because of changes made in the House, where the bill was amended and passed after a five-day public hearing and two lengthy floor sessions. An earlier version of the bill passed the Senate 20-4 with one lawmaker excused.

The vote today brings a legislative end to a decades-long journey for proponents and opponents of giving gay couples the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples. The state Supreme Court ruled in 1993 that denying same-sex couples marriage licenses was a violation of equal protection under the state Constitution. The court's ruling influenced Congress to approve the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which restricted marriage to heterosexual couples, and prompted Hawaii voters in 1998 to approve a constitutional amendment that gave the state Legislature the power to define marriage as between a man and a woman.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the federal Defense of Marriage Act was an unconstitutional violation of due process and equal protection, allowing same-sex couples who are legally married to receive federal benefits. The court left it up to the states to decide whether to legalize gay marriage. Abercrombie responded to the court's ruling by calling the Legislature into special session.

While the legislative action on the bill ends, opponents vow to continue the fight in court. On Thursday, Circuit Judge Karl Sakamoto declined to issue a restraining order sought by state Rep. Bob McDermott to halt action on the special session's same-sex marriage legislation. But the judge said once the law is adopted, he'll consider its constitutionality. 

McDermott (R, Ewa Beach-Iroquois Point) sent Abercrombie a letter on Friday stating that he would seek a temporary restraining order in Circuit Court to prevent the state from issuing marriage licences to gay couples.

McDermott contends that the 1998 constitutional amendment that gave the Legislature the power to define marriage as between heterosexual couples trumps any statutory change to the law. He insists that another vote by the people is necessary to redefine marriage.

Sakamoto on Thursday raised questions about how voters who ratified the 1998 amendment knew that it authorized the Legislature to later approve same-sex marriages.

In his statement today, Abercrombie said, "I believe this bill provides equal rights for all people, is legally sound, and is in accord with the Hawaii State Constitution."

Once Abercrombie signs the bill Wednesday, Hawaii will be the 15th state plus the District of Columbia to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry. The Illinois legislature passed a similar measure last week, but Gov. Pat Quinn said he would sign a the bill into law at a ceremony in Chicago on Nov. 20.

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The Associated Press contributed to this report.




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manoamuppet wrote:
Great to hear. Congratulations for all those soon able to get married.
on November 12,2013 | 09:41AM
PCWarrior wrote:
A complete and utter waste of time and money. The Legislature knew it had the votes to pass the bill from the beginning. You could of let 500,000 people testify instead of 5,000 and it would not have mattered. I believe they should pass the bill, but acting as if letting 5,000 people testify mattered was a fraud perpetuated by our politicians on the people. At least it's over now and the haters, the blamers and the shamers know they were conned by their representatives.
on November 12,2013 | 12:04PM
Anonymous wrote:
amen...it was just a display of "we're listening to you" when if fact their minds were made up...waste of time, money and energy.
on November 12,2013 | 12:30PM
ehrhornp wrote:
They did listen to you. What is the problem? Yes it was a waste of time money and energy but it has been a waste for the past 20 years. It was a waste to pass that pinko commie amendment. Gay marriage should have just been allowed 20 years ago.
on November 12,2013 | 12:39PM
ISCREAM wrote:
Just grandstanding from the socialist progressives (Democratic Party). I can't wait for Hawaii to wake up and turn right...
on November 12,2013 | 01:14PM
Fred01 wrote:
Only a socialist would vote against equal rights.
on November 12,2013 | 02:48PM
ISCREAM wrote:
Do you need to get a license if it is truly a right? And how about those still discriminated against? Is the LGBT community more important?
on November 12,2013 | 02:58PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Why would the state "turn right"? The state just voted for freedom. Why do you need government telling you who you can and cannot marry?
on November 12,2013 | 03:07PM
ISCREAM wrote:
My point exactly....so now read the law and see who cannot marry...
on November 12,2013 | 04:49PM
sooregonian wrote:
Hawaii will turn to the right because Calihorny is the template for gay marriage and a plethora of progressive ideas that will inundate the isles with a tsunami of smut...and up next? Why it is Co-ed bathrooms, locker rooms and more! ( Ca. Assembly Bill 1266 ) Kids will choose their gender and there is no "looking under the hood" by officials to see if there is a match with official pupil's records which do list male / female. SB1: A Trojan Horse of Equality.
on November 12,2013 | 11:38PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Hahaha. Move to Oklahoma.
on November 12,2013 | 08:02PM
9ronboz wrote:
Shibai to say the least. Vote these idiots out of office
on November 12,2013 | 07:36PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Agreed. Ward, Gabbard, McDermott, Oshiro, Har, Kim, Slom, etc. all had their minds made up a long time ago. Let's vote them out!
on November 12,2013 | 07:46PM
ehrhornp wrote:
The commitment was made to let everyone who wanted to testify. I think it is good that people testified but that it is better that this bill was finally passed. 20 years is a long time to wait. Thank God it is over.
on November 12,2013 | 12:37PM
ISCREAM wrote:
There are still others who cannot marry whom they want in Hawaii...where is your outcry for them...or is this another all about me?
on November 12,2013 | 01:02PM
Fred01 wrote:
Who? You are dumb.
on November 12,2013 | 02:48PM
ISCREAM wrote:
You didn't read the legislation...which makes you ignorant...of the facts.
on November 12,2013 | 02:59PM
csdhawaii wrote:
So you deny a right to one sector because there are other sectors (which ones, by the way) which can't marry? That makes no sense.
on November 12,2013 | 03:07PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Just curious but who? and have they been trying for 20 years? The movement against gay marriage was stupid, un-American and frankly against Jesus. Now if any other group is being discriminated against, let me know. I will probably join up.
on November 12,2013 | 03:10PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
IScream can't marry his sister.
on November 12,2013 | 04:25PM
ISCREAM wrote:
You can't marry my sister either...she is dead. Sicko...
on November 12,2013 | 06:32PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Too much information. Get a grip.
on November 12,2013 | 08:05PM
sooregonian wrote:
@ehrhornp -- Au Contraire. This statutory rape of Ohana by Obama is not "settled" law. No presidential executive orders coming but the fight for traditional marriage continues... the barrycades in DC and HI. are down and this SB1 travesty of immoral injustice -- that denied a vote of the people -- will not stand either. At best, a Pyrrhic victory.
on November 12,2013 | 03:44PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Ah, to feel like that is simply amazing. Why do you care if two gays marry? You are on the losing side of history. People are becoming more accepting of gays primarily because gays are not much different from heterosexuals. They get up each morning, brush their teeth, get ready for work, and then off they go. I am always curious why anyone would care what other people do. Are you a peeping Tom?
on November 12,2013 | 05:47PM
ISCREAM wrote:
All great societies in history have come to an end because of moral corruption and acceptance...Greece, Rome...
on November 12,2013 | 06:34PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Well if the United States falls it will be because of its addiction to the military and prison industrial complexes. We are number one in both. We are being drained dry.
on November 12,2013 | 09:02PM
sooregonian wrote:
@ISCREAM -- Finally, someone on these SA forums who has learned the lessons of history and sees what's happening to America. We are rotting from within.
on November 12,2013 | 09:33PM
Happysahm wrote:
Hope these politicians have another job lined up. Come election time they will need it. I thought this was a democracy. Why were they so afraid to let the people vote? Mark my words, Abercrombie is gone after the next election.
on November 12,2013 | 06:25PM
sooregonian wrote:
Happysahm -- Tenari Ma'afala for governor! Think he can win? At a minimum a house seat.
on November 12,2013 | 09:36PM
GooglyMoogly wrote:
That's some fantastic Monday Morning quarterbacking. Those for and against the bill have the right to have their voices heard. The endgame might have been a no-brainer, but that doesn't justify circumventing the process.

You'd be naive to think that the representatives started this hearing at a neutral position and then needed to be convinced to vote one way or the other. They're human, after all. They voted with their consciences, and that tends to reflect the opinion of the greater population. As those opinions changes, so do the laws. It's why there are terms for politicians in the first place.


on November 12,2013 | 12:37PM
csdhawaii wrote:
Agreed. The process is still the process, and if they hadn't followed proper procedure, their decision might have been overturned or delayed. Be logical, PC.
on November 12,2013 | 12:42PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Which process ? The public vote ? the Deviant Judge ? Or the Political grandstanding in the free-for-all vote grab ?
on November 12,2013 | 02:36PM
csdhawaii wrote:
Bitterness is so unattractive.
on November 12,2013 | 03:07PM
Waterman2 wrote:
But in fact the question stands. Which process ?
on November 12,2013 | 03:32PM
rangerwvu wrote:
Finally, someone with an objective, intelligent comment!
on November 12,2013 | 01:45PM
aaronavilla wrote:
don't hate the players, hate the game...
on November 12,2013 | 03:40PM
CriticalReader wrote:
The dearth of incendiary comments from the anti-same sex marriage crowd makes one wonder whether or not they have opted for conciliation and acceptance, or just given up out of a sense of futility. If it is conciliation and acceptance, good for them.
on November 12,2013 | 10:15AM
hawaiikone wrote:
The proliferation of abusive comments compared to the demise of coherent ones is more likely the cause.
on November 12,2013 | 10:30AM
daniwitz13 wrote:
They have given up in the futility of playing with a stacked deck. From top to bottom it is rigged for ONLY one outcome. It is obvious because 87% testified against and the results was for. This is a fraud perpetuated on the State. A commission should look at the dealer who uses a slight of hand. Pity
on November 12,2013 | 10:54AM
Makapuu4 wrote:
daniwitz13 - Pitiful.
on November 12,2013 | 12:04PM
localguy wrote:
The 87% who testified against SSM represent the majority of dysfunctional, weak minded individuals who use religion as a crutch. The percentage is irrelevant as there is nothing to compare it to. They knew SSM was going to pass, just could not accept it.
on November 12,2013 | 02:28PM
Waterman2 wrote:
The democratic process is based on majority.....not perfect, but better than most. I don't think the GLBD group has convinced anyone new that they are legit. But As long as they don't hustle my kids so be it. Not all gays are dangerous.
on November 12,2013 | 02:41PM
Fred01 wrote:
They're gonna get your kiddies. Watch out!
on November 12,2013 | 02:49PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Oh, I will be. Promise.
on November 12,2013 | 03:09PM
EightOEight wrote:
As you will be for hetero hustlers also I hope?
on November 12,2013 | 03:34PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Ofcourse.
on November 12,2013 | 03:48PM
Eradication wrote:
Not all hetero people are dangerous either. At least in that regard people can agree on.....I think. As far as hustling your kids are concerned better be more concerned about the straight "child molesters" who have been lurking in everyone's neighborhoods for years.
on November 12,2013 | 06:11PM
sooregonian wrote:
@CriticalReader -- Aloha yes; acceptance NO. The arrogant redefining of hetero marriage -- that is the glue holding societies' together -- will never receive the approval from traditional Ohana the gays and their enablers so brazenly clamor for. No rewards for bad/bully behavior.
on November 12,2013 | 11:26AM
ehrhornp wrote:
Gays don't really want your approval. They just want the same pursuit of happiness that you enjoy.
on November 12,2013 | 12:41PM
sooregonian wrote:
ehrhornp -- If they will commit to monogamy, married or not, my views may evolve. Bi-men who can't get off the fence and keep infecting females with STDs are infuriating. I really do think you and others are dead wrong about gays not valuing mainstream social acceptance. I mean, who wants to be ostracized? LGBTs should enjoy the moment and avoid provocative public displays of affection. No parades,etc. except those that are already scheduled.
on November 12,2013 | 09:51PM
Kaimiloa wrote:
Are you referring to 50% of all marriages ending in divorce when you mention "the glue holding societies together?"
on November 12,2013 | 01:00PM
CnDnM wrote:
It should also be mentioned that the Anglican (Protestant) Church in England was formed as a result of the King wanting to redefine marriage, by allowing divorces.
on November 12,2013 | 01:47PM
DRH wrote:
Thank God for Henry VIII, otherwise I'd be a mackerel snapper today.
on November 12,2013 | 02:49PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Haha- that's hilarious
on November 12,2013 | 08:14PM
sooregonian wrote:
DRH -- thanks for the chuckle!
on November 12,2013 | 10:01PM
sooregonian wrote:
CnDnM -- Going to research this, thanks for the history lesson.
on November 12,2013 | 10:01PM
ehrhornp wrote:
I wonder if he is concerned about those people who get divorced and then remarry? This according to Jesus could be adultery. I have always been curious why those who are so against gay marriage is not doing something about adultery. I mean adultery is spoken against by God in the ten commandments and by Jesus. Neither said anything about Homosexuality.
on November 12,2013 | 05:56PM
Happysahm wrote:
Leviticus 18:22 you shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Yes everyone sins. I had premarital sex, just like most of my friends. I still don't say it's ok. It was still a sin, but I'm not going to condemn people for it. When that discussion comes up with my kids one day, I will tell them that it's not right according to the bible. The same with homosexuality. Not condemning but not condoning.
on November 12,2013 | 06:46PM
ehrhornp wrote:
So you take leviticus over Jesus or God? Sorry, I consider adultery to be far worse as homosexuality was not even directly addressed by God or Jesus. Now why do you think that is?
on November 12,2013 | 09:06PM
sooregonian wrote:
Kaimiloa -- We seem to be holding at 50%. Yes, I see your point and that number is appalling. The percentage is probably being taken down if it includes second and third marriages. Maybe gays will do much better because of higher incomes on average plus they might marry later in life -- who knows? I'll bet if gay couples have kids, their divorce rate will approach heteros!
on November 12,2013 | 09:59PM
CriticalReader wrote:
One of the sad things about this whole debate will be those who've raged against homosexuals marrying, only to learn later that someone close to them is homosexual. Or worse, that one close to them has hidden their orientation in part due to that display of homosexual rage. Perhaps a son, or a daughter. Maybe a cousin or a friend. A sibbling. A co-worker. Or, perhaps it turns out to be a person not even alive yet. Maybe one of those peoples' children. In that context, who will be seen as the bully? Even worse, what judgment will that person in the mirror pass? But, perhaps the worst, for those who rest their arguments so heavily on the will of God - what if you're wrong about God's will on this one?
on November 12,2013 | 01:02PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Gotta think that in the end, God would be hardest on those who betrayed Jesus' fundamentally enduring message: Love thy neighbor.
on November 12,2013 | 01:25PM
localguy wrote:
CriticalReader - You were doing just fine until you started thumping the bible. Rodney King said it well, "Can't we all just get along?"
on November 12,2013 | 02:30PM
Waterman2 wrote:
You mean the drunk aggressive guy that finally got what he deserved ?
on November 12,2013 | 02:43PM
EightOEight wrote:
He did not deserve to be beaten as badly as he was, for as long as he was, regardless if he was drunk. The police are trained professionals and all who participated should have been fired. Lets hope the same thing doesn't happen to you or someone you care about...you'd be singing a different tune, I'm sure.
on November 12,2013 | 03:45PM
Waterman2 wrote:
8o8 Nevertheless, he isn't anyone to be saying anything about "all getting along" read his history, not a pretty sight. But you are right, the cops over did it.....like they have done to many. Of all races. Now how again was that pertinent to todays event ?
on November 12,2013 | 03:51PM
EightOEight wrote:
You have only to read the posts immediately preceding mine, W2, for the answer to your question.
on November 12,2013 | 04:30PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Not thumping the Bible, just trying to figure it out, like everyone else.
on November 12,2013 | 03:05PM
Happysahm wrote:
Love thy neighbor but that still doesn't make what your neighbor is doing correct in God's eyes.
on November 12,2013 | 06:52PM
8082062424 wrote:
here the thing local people embrace love and take care of there own it ohana. it always been that way. call it a culture thing. as far as those who felt this was wrong based on god. do you really believe they should or would throw away there faith in god. for most they believe god made marriage between a man and a woman . God said in the begging of the bible ans Jesus confirm it Same bible that sells 100 million copy's a year and is the most sold book to date. all locals grew up with a gay friend or have had a gay family member and they loved and embraced.. i feel sorry for the transplants ans new comers . for you to say that it would be good if they did is really one sided. this is bill gives them rights and benefits and that a good thing. but it will never change what in a person heart and mind or there culture. it really sad this island is now divided . and you will for the most part find locals on one side and the other group on the other
on November 12,2013 | 01:30PM
DRH wrote:
God made marriage between a man and four women.
on November 12,2013 | 02:57PM
Eradication wrote:
David had how many wives? Abraham?
on November 12,2013 | 06:22PM
localguy wrote:
CriticalReader - You were doing just fine until you started thumping the bible. As there is no God, no ones will is involved.
on November 12,2013 | 02:29PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Not thumping the Bible, just trying to figure it out like everyone else.
on November 12,2013 | 03:06PM
hawaiikone wrote:
CR, as your well aware, I'm no political genius. I try and apply common sense, often in a naive way. When it comes to this issue, I'm equally, if not more disturbed by the anti gay"bible thumping" seen here daily. I came to know Christ in Nam, gave up on Him a few times over the years, got mad at Him often, but overall have spent a lifetime trying to understand what God wants from us. I believe the bible is His word, and it requires constant reading and prayer. I don't think He's happy with a lot of us who claim to believe in Him, and I know He hurts for those who don't. We'll move on from this, but to me, what's truly sad is how we've represented God throughout this whole process. If there's anything I would pass along, it would be to not let the inexcusable history of a lot of God's followers keep anyone from seeking a relationship with Him.
on November 12,2013 | 03:40PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Wise words, I think.
on November 12,2013 | 05:35PM
Happysahm wrote:
If my son or daughter grows up to be gay, I will still love them but not condone their behavior. You say what if it's not God's will, but how else would you interpret Leviticus 18:22?
on November 12,2013 | 06:51PM
Fred01 wrote:
You are an ignorant fool. I sure hope you are not a minority of any sort.
on November 12,2013 | 02:50PM
Eradication wrote:
If "hetero marriage" is the glue that held society together and roughly 3 out of 5 marriages end within 5 years, then that's not saying much. The law doesn't stipulate that you have to agree or accept anything. What the law says is that you can't discriminate against someone who is married (either hetero or gay). As far as religious organizations not willing to perform gay marriages, I guess that leaves the door open for atheists to refuse services to people wearing religious symbols because it is against their belief system? I say that if churches/clergy are exempt from serving the general public then their tax exemption status should be pulled.
on November 12,2013 | 06:18PM
sooregonian wrote:
Eradication -- You make an interesting (legal?) point on refusal of service by atheists. Disagree on pulling tax exempt status as I think the carve-outs will protect churches.(Maybe that was hyperbole) SB1 is going to be a Pandora's box of "equality" and other arguments.
on November 12,2013 | 10:09PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
CriticalReader - Given up and/or in denial. Once they stop crying, they will be back.
on November 12,2013 | 12:04PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Wrote too soon. Oh well.
on November 12,2013 | 12:39PM
posterized09 wrote:
It's clearly obvious that the citizens have given up. Majority were against the bill. The politics claim to be for the people, but that will never happen. This world is coming to an end. KABOOM! lol
on November 12,2013 | 10:31AM
samidunn wrote:
Voters don't need to vote on this AGAIN, the Legislatures know what's best for us.
on November 12,2013 | 10:59AM
ehrhornp wrote:
In this case yes they do. Civil rights should not be put to a popular vote.
on November 12,2013 | 12:44PM
LanaUlulani wrote:

Actually the voters in the State of Washington did it the PONO way and passed Referendum 74 so now my gay family and friends in Seattle can marry whomever they want to. It is due to the POPULAR vote. They did it the PONO way. Sadly Hawai'i did not.

http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20121108/NEWS/121109948/its-now-official-8212-referendum-74-passes-same-sex-marriage


on November 12,2013 | 01:05PM
Fred01 wrote:
You are dumb.
on November 12,2013 | 02:54PM
Waterman2 wrote:
we did it the Pono way too, and it got ignored.
on November 12,2013 | 03:03PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
LanaUlulani - "I support SSM marriage but" (I really don't).
on November 12,2013 | 03:27PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Did you want cheese with your wine, Ma'am?
on November 12,2013 | 05:23PM
BRock wrote:
What you cannot understand, miss ululani is that we do not have the referendum process in the state of hawaii.
on November 12,2013 | 06:27PM
ISCREAM wrote:
We have the Constitution...but only when it benefits the Democrats...
on November 12,2013 | 06:41PM
Nala007 wrote:
Lana - you really are full of it. Always going on about how you support marriage equality but always finding ways to discredit our victory or the Democrats. Enough already. I don't believe a word you say. Should we vote on your marriage?
on November 12,2013 | 07:02PM
sooregonian wrote:
Our dear leaders are willing to push traditional Ohana over the Pali.
on November 12,2013 | 02:38PM
EightOEight wrote:
Nope, traditional ohana will still exist along with non-traditional ohana. Stop being melodramatic.
on November 12,2013 | 03:49PM
sooregonian wrote:
EightO -- Too much time is Ashland, Oregon...Shakespeare country.
on November 12,2013 | 06:38PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
sooregonian - I'd be willing to push sooregonian over the Pali if it wouldn't create a hazardous waste mess.
on November 12,2013 | 03:50PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
If traditional marriage means ostracizing others because they are different, then I don't want any of your "traditional" ways. Remember, many of the bible thumping religious folks quoted Leviticus that states that "no man shall lie with another man." But if you are going to be literal about your bible, then you will follow the other versus that state that any woman who divorces her husband shall be stoned. And any child who disobeys his parents shall be stoned, also. And if you want to be even more literal, then you will give your daughter to your guest as it is is sinful not to do so.
on November 12,2013 | 05:28PM
ISCREAM wrote:
I think your stoned...
on November 12,2013 | 06:43PM
Oahuan wrote:
Voters have to show up at next year' election. Obviously the people we sent to represent us basically ignored us, stuck out their middle finger at us and gave us the shaft. We will remember.
on November 12,2013 | 11:14AM
samidunn wrote:
I hope your right, but have my doubts.
on November 12,2013 | 11:37AM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Oahuan - They may have ignored you (but, then again, who doesn't) - HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - A new statewide poll shows a majority of Hawai'i residents support allowing gay couples to marry and fewer oppose it. The survey was conducted through 442 telephone interviews by QMark Research. Hawai'i residents statewide were asked: "Do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, strongly oppose or somewhat oppose allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry?" 54% say they support same-sex marriage, while 31% oppose it. (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/23089592/statewide-same-sex-marriage-poll-indicates-greater-support-less-opposition)
on November 12,2013 | 12:06PM
hawaiikone wrote:
Considering the oft repeated argument that we were continually bombarded with that decried any reliance on the majority to determine right from wrong, it's amusing how readily you're willing to reverse that position now.
on November 12,2013 | 12:27PM
EightOEight wrote:
Conversely, HK1, poll results like this won't stop people like you from accusing the lawmakers who voted in favor of the bill from going against the will of the people. That is just as amusing.
on November 12,2013 | 04:46PM
hawaiikone wrote:
Rather than making assumptions about me, perhaps you should dispute the validity of my comment.
on November 12,2013 | 05:16PM
EightOEight wrote:
I already did by pointing out your hypocrisy.
on November 12,2013 | 06:17PM
hawaiikone wrote:
It's clear who's unable to defend themseives.
on November 12,2013 | 08:21PM
Waterman2 wrote:
So why are you against putting it on the ballot ......again ?
on November 12,2013 | 02:46PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Waterman2 - No need. The legislature is strongly in favor of SSM. The governor is strongly in favor of SSM. The people are strongly in favor of SSM. Why waste any more time and money? It's good to go.
on November 12,2013 | 03:17PM
Waterman2 wrote:
I would think you would want the "people" part and put it to rest altogether. Or are you so afraid of rejection that you can't finish the job you have started ?
on November 12,2013 | 03:36PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Waterman2 - No need. The legislature is strongly in favor of SSM. The governor is strongly in favor of SSM. The people are strongly in favor of SSM. Why waste any more time and money? It's good to go.
on November 12,2013 | 03:50PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Wouldn't it help in the court cases coming ? like I said, I would expect you to embrace it. In any case, congrats on your victory, I hope you got what you really want.
on November 12,2013 | 04:01PM
csdhawaii wrote:
Hopefully those in Ward's, Kim's et al districts will remember. I know I'll remember Kim for sure, come voting time for Congress.
on November 12,2013 | 12:44PM
ehrhornp wrote:
lol, you will soon forget. In 2 months, you will have forgotten that this was even an issue.
on November 12,2013 | 12:44PM
8082062424 wrote:
your wrong you like for folks to forget but that will never happen. people will not stop being what they fell nor should they . the battle won but the war far from over. it will in courts next “All Americans, including job creators, should be free to honor God and live according to their faith,” said Senior Legal Counsel Matt Bowman, who argued before the 7th Circuit in May. “The court’s decision joins the majority of other rulings on the mandate, which have found it to excessively conflict with our nation’s guarantee of religious freedom to all Americans. The decision rightly foresees the dangers of allowing government to have this kind of power. If the government can force family business owners to act contrary to their deepest convictions under the threat of fining them out of business, it is a danger to everybody.” the courts will be the next battle ground for part of this law
on November 12,2013 | 01:37PM
localguy wrote:
8082062424 - You were doing just fine until you started thumping the bible. Rodney King said it well, "Can't we all just get along?"
on November 12,2013 | 02:31PM
8082062424 wrote:
point remains the same when more courts rule i n favor of stoping government from trying to take away religious freedom is a win for all
on November 12,2013 | 02:37PM
Fred01 wrote:
What are you babbling about dingbat?
on November 12,2013 | 02:55PM
8082062424 wrote:
if any o ne a ding bat it is you. 7TH CIRCUIT: OBAMA’S DEFENSE OF ABORTION PILL MANDATE ‘UNSOUND AND EXTRAORDINARY’ | ALLIANCE DEFENDING FREEDOM ALLIANCE DEFENDING FREEDOM NEWS RELEASE November 12, 2013 – FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT MEDIA AND PUBLIC RELATIONS: (480) 444-0020 orwww.adfmedia.org/home/contact 7th Circuit: Obama’s defense of abortion pill mandate ‘unsound and extraordinary’ Appeals court sends clear message in case involving Indiana-based job provider CHICAGO — The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit issued a strongly worded decision Friday that found the Obama administration’s abortion pill mandate to be in violation of federal religious liberty protections. The court called the administration’s argument that religious freedom disappears when doing business “unsound and extraordinary.”
on November 12,2013 | 03:07PM
LanaUlulani wrote:
Exactly. I am pro gay marriage but Abercrombie, the House, and the Senate ignored the will of the people and bulldozed right over them. If your representative ignored you... fire them!
on November 12,2013 | 01:05PM
Waterman2 wrote:
I agree, although I'm not pro gay, rather neutral........let them work it out with God. He is the real authority, even if many pro gay folks cant see past the end of their.......da kine.
on November 12,2013 | 02:49PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Waterman2 - There is(are) no god(s), but there are LGBT people. Nothing to work out.
on November 12,2013 | 03:53PM
Waterman2 wrote:
You sure best hope you are right. As for me, I have seen and experienced too much in my years to even begin to entertain that what you believe is true. But until you seek him you will never get it.
on November 12,2013 | 04:04PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
And what gives you or the anti-gays the right to say that God would hate on his own creation?
on November 12,2013 | 05:46PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Absolutely nothing.
on November 12,2013 | 06:35PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
LanaUlulani - There you go. "I am pro gay marriage but ..." (I am really not).
on November 12,2013 | 03:51PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
You contradict yourself. You may now go into your colored and bolded tirades if that will make you feel better. Nobody will listen to your fractured message even then.
on November 12,2013 | 05:45PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
I'm sorry that your exclusive club of "traditional marriage" has been busted wide open and all the privileges pouring out to the "other" folks. I'm sorry that you can no longer thumb your noses at the "other" folks and say that you are the only recognized people. And I am sorry that you can no longer ostracize these "folks" without legal retribution. And if there is anyone sticking a middle finger at all, it is you and your attitude toward a segment of our society that has been wronged for so long by being treated as second rate citizens just because of the homophobes who justify their beliefs with selective verses from the bible. They only follow what they want and ignore the rest such as loving others regardless of their sexual orientation.
on November 12,2013 | 05:40PM
sooregonian wrote:
Another December day of infamy for Hawaii is approaching...
on November 12,2013 | 11:34AM
Makapuu4 wrote:
More over the top slop from sooregonian.
on November 12,2013 | 12:06PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Yes Christmas is coming. Next goal, War on Christmas. lol
on November 12,2013 | 12:46PM
sooregonian wrote:
@ehrhornp -- Are you declaring a Jihad on X-mas...if so, I'll issue a Fatwa on You and Makapuu4!
on November 12,2013 | 02:43PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
sooregonian - Hey. I like Christmas, except for all of that religious nonsense. Fatwa you.
on November 12,2013 | 03:19PM
sooregonian wrote:
Mr.M4 -- So maybe you aren't a grinch...I gotta give it up to you on the reply. Fatwa funny you. But please, don't confuse us with any more facts (surveys).
on November 12,2013 | 03:52PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
sooregonian - I'll try to go easy on you. Just ignore the facts and you will be happy.
on November 12,2013 | 04:19PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Not me but the far right generally does. Rush for example.
on November 12,2013 | 06:41PM
Waterman2 wrote:
of course.....why not tear it all down ?
on November 12,2013 | 02:50PM
DRH wrote:
You've been listening to Sarah Pallin again.
on November 12,2013 | 03:15PM
Kuihao wrote:
It's a great day for Hawai'i!
on November 12,2013 | 12:08PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Yes Kuihao, it is.
on November 12,2013 | 12:23PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Yes it is. Freedom has finally won. Wonder how many people will now move to Russia.
on November 12,2013 | 12:47PM
kiragirl wrote:
You finally said Russia.
on November 12,2013 | 01:11PM
8082062424 wrote:
why would they move to Russia. LOL this country protect the rights of folks of faith no matter what faith. it stop the government from trying to control folks of faith. truth is people of faith from Russia. want to move here where there free to practice there faith
on November 12,2013 | 01:45PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Russia tends to frown on homosexuality. People who are unhappy with freedom here might just want to consider moving to Russia for their freedom.
on November 12,2013 | 06:43PM
Kealii wrote:
Nope, it's a sad day for Hawaii. I still can't marry my pet goat. It's not fair!
on November 12,2013 | 01:01PM
Fred01 wrote:
Only because the goat is smarter and more humane than you, dingbat.
on November 12,2013 | 02:56PM
DRH wrote:
If sex and marriage are only for procreation as some religious nuts believe, then you shouldn't marry your goat - can't have a kid with a kid.
on November 12,2013 | 03:20PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Keali - What is telling is how eager Kealii is to marry his goat (dogs, ats, sheep, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, anything with a pulse).
on November 12,2013 | 03:56PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Don't be so down on yourself. You can still move to Russia.
on November 12,2013 | 05:52PM
sooregonian wrote:
NO Neil NO... Tenari Ma'afala for governor!!
on November 12,2013 | 12:29PM
Kealii wrote:
This is what we get when we blindly vote all these morons into office. The real winners are the attorneys. Watch for the avalanche of litigation that will soon follow as a result of this poorly written bill. Auwe!
on November 12,2013 | 12:50PM
Venus1 wrote:
See the 'Witch' Kim is still on her Broom Stick doing her Wikedness! 'Boil, boil double trouble'!!!
on November 12,2013 | 12:51PM
kiragirl wrote:
A shinning example that tolerance do not work both ways.
on November 12,2013 | 01:12PM
Songoboy wrote:
exactly kiragirl....there must be tolerance shown for both sides. on the mobile star asdvertiser, someone wrote "F" all you haters".....now thats not showing aloha...it has to come from both sides....
on November 12,2013 | 02:10PM
Fred01 wrote:
Why in the world should anyone tolerate hate?
on November 12,2013 | 02:56PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
I'm sorry but you both don't exactly show "aloha" in your posts all the time. Your hateful comments regarding the gays whether they be direct or indirect are not exactly accepting of others who are different from you. Denying a segment of our society equal rights is just as bad as an "F" word to all who are different. Me thinks that the gays would rather hear the "F" word (for it is just a word after all) than to continue to be denied equal rights for another hundred years.
on November 12,2013 | 05:57PM
daniwitz13 wrote:
kiragirl. Just wait and watch what they will say when the State Supreme Court takes up this case. And if he rules against them, most will jump off the Pali. Pity when they come to a sudden stop.
on November 12,2013 | 06:07PM
ehrhornp wrote:
lol I am shaking in my boots.
on November 12,2013 | 06:46PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
If they rule against your position, what is your plan? Pity.
on November 12,2013 | 07:51PM
CloudForest wrote:
Tomorrow's weather to have ever increasing hail and brimstone .............
on November 12,2013 | 01:49PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
CloudForest - Lame again.
on November 12,2013 | 03:57PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Maybe for you. Not to the gays. To them it will finally be gay and bright. God bless them!
on November 12,2013 | 05:58PM
Tahitigirl55 wrote:
What a shame. What do we tell our children. Now we will have the wide spread of AIDS all the prevention that have been taught to our children are now under water. I hope these senator children or grandchildren married same sex. There goes the freedom of speech. I hate to see what will happen in our ALOHA state now.
on November 12,2013 | 01:51PM
CnDnM wrote:
Wouldn't the monogamy resulting from SSM reduce the spread of AIDS?
on November 12,2013 | 01:56PM
8082062424 wrote:
Sure would not only AIDS but all STDS
on November 12,2013 | 02:33PM
sooregonian wrote:
Too many bi-guys spreading diseases that permanently scar women. They need finally make up their mind and stop deceiving themselves and partners. I have more respect (can't believe I'm saying this) for monogamous gay men.
on November 12,2013 | 06:55PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Yeah, I believe you said it, whether you meant it or not, that's another story.
on November 12,2013 | 07:52PM
csdhawaii wrote:
Tell your children that history headed in the right direction today.
on November 12,2013 | 03:10PM
DRH wrote:
You tell tour children to practice safe sex as you can get AIDS from both males and females. With marriage you'll have more monogamous relationships - so less spreading of AIDS.
on November 12,2013 | 03:30PM
opalaedo wrote:
Tell your children this, that HIV and AIDS effect everyone. Taken from the Center for Disease Control: Heterosexuals and Injection Drug Users also continue to be affected by HIV. Heterosexuals accounted for 25% of estimated new HIV infections in 2010 and 27% of people living with HIV infection in 2009. Since the epidemic began, almost 85,000 persons with an AIDS diagnosis, infected through heterosexual sex, have died, included an estimated 4,003 in 2010. New HIV infections among women are primarily attributed to heterosexual contact (84% in 2010) or injection drug use (16% in 2010). Women accounted for 20% of estimated new HIV infections in 2010 and 24% of those living with HIV infection in 2009 [1,2]. The 9,500 new infections among women in 2010 reflect a significant 21% decrease from the 12,000 new infections that occurred among this group in 2008. Injection drug users represented 8% of new HIV infections in 2010 and 16% of those living with HIV in 2009.1, 2 Since the epidemic began, nearly 182,000 injection drug users with an AIDS diagnosis have died, including an estimated 4,218 in 2010. Don't spew your wrong information. Also, I hope you will be blessed with children and grandchildren who are gay.
on November 12,2013 | 03:43PM
Waterman2 wrote:
You didn't mention of the total how many Gays contacted and died from it. I think you should, the epidemic started among the Gay population, and yes it then attacked all mankind. A good reason to follow God's instructions about chaste relationships.
on November 12,2013 | 03:56PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Tahitigirl55 - Tell your evil spawn to move back to Tahiti and take their evil mom with them.
on November 12,2013 | 03:58PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Such hatred for someone who probably goes to church to learn about love.
on November 12,2013 | 05:59PM
kuniagirl wrote:
I think that you should stop reproducing
on November 12,2013 | 06:43PM
blackmurano wrote:
The Democrats who support this "Perversion Marriage" bill has taken a step into Judgment. These liberals heard it many times before about Judgment. They heard in the thousands of email that flooded their computer. They heard it on some personal visit to their office at the State Capitol. And they heard it on live testimoney but they just don't believe such Judgment existed. They literally wrote their ticket to the "lake of fire" (hell). These liberal Democrats put a deaf ear to the citizens of this State, and probably want to appease their liberal messah Barack Obama. As I said it again, this issue is far from over. God will have the last word on Judgment Day - A day of God's wrath on a Christ rejecting World.
on November 12,2013 | 02:01PM
sooregonian wrote:
@Blackmurano -- Keep preaching...this "Bromance Bill" is not Pono.
on November 12,2013 | 02:27PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Not "pono" to you. And by that hateful term you use for the bill you ain't "pono" either.
on November 12,2013 | 06:05PM
localguy wrote:
blackmumbojumo - Posting your shibai again are we. Judgement Day? It was a Terminator movie. There never has or will be a judgement day as you think it. No god exists. Religion is a crutch for weak minded individuals.
on November 12,2013 | 02:33PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Keep on guy, we will all find out in the last days won't we ?
on November 12,2013 | 03:06PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Waterman2 - No god. No judgement day. No hell. More than likely we will all pollute ourselves to death, get involved in one too many wars, or get whacked by an asteroid like the previous batch of dinosaurs.
on November 12,2013 | 04:21PM
Fred01 wrote:
You will rot in hell for your hate, sinner.
on November 12,2013 | 02:57PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Wait, is that a stool you stand on? Or did you just grow cyber ten feet tall?
on November 12,2013 | 06:06PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Hey it's blackmumbojumbo. He has been boning up on his BS.
on November 12,2013 | 03:26PM
DRH wrote:
Let God make the judgment - you don't need to do it for him.
on November 12,2013 | 03:33PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
If you are going to thump the bible, remember that along with "men shall not lie with men" there is the verse that any woman who divorces her husband will be stoned to death. And any child who disobeys his parents shall be stoned. And let' not forget that verse that states that you must hand over your daughter to the guest as not doing so is a sin. If you are going that route, do you then follow these laws of the bible? Or do you just cherry pick like all the other bible thumpers?
on November 12,2013 | 06:03PM
Merrill6119 wrote:
God will punish same sex supporters is what you believe. Look at the Filipino Catholics who are God fearing, don't believe in divorce, don't believe in abortion,yet they are suffering. Why did they have these consequences and not Hawaiiand the fifteen other states that support same sex marriage? We should be the ones suffering, not the god fearing people of the Philippines based on your thinking. Perhaps the people who perished are now in Paradise because they don't have to deal with people like us anymore. We,who condem others are left on this earth, sharing intolerance for those that differ from us If heaven is really Paradise, why do parents, brothers and sisters do everything in their powers to keep a family member on Earth? These are questions I ask, which I presume cannot be answered with evidence.
on November 12,2013 | 07:39PM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
Big fricken deal! Like we never know tis was going to happen. The media makes such a big deal out of nothing. Thank God this bull is almost over. Sign the bill into law and move the hell on!!!!!
on November 12,2013 | 02:06PM
bigislandkurt wrote:
PARTY ON! To all Selective Scripture brothers and sisters. I hope this piece of legislation reminds you that this is a DEMOCRACY, not the THEOCRACY many of you have been hoping for with your "let the selective scripture people decide" campaign that in the end -- FAILED. God Bless Hawaii 'nei.
on November 12,2013 | 02:07PM
DRH wrote:
Amen.
on November 12,2013 | 03:34PM
EightOEight wrote:
Double amen.
on November 12,2013 | 04:52PM
hawaiikone wrote:
Perhaps you'd like to define your concept of "selective scriptures"?
on November 12,2013 | 05:19PM
juke wrote:
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites,
on November 12,2013 | 02:07PM
MichaelG wrote:
shoots nobody left!!!!
on November 12,2013 | 02:16PM
Waterman2 wrote:
pretty much, just as Jesus said " many are called, few answer"
on November 12,2013 | 02:54PM
kuniagirl wrote:
you're right...fornicators and adulterers just took out a significant portion of the traditional 'ohana
on November 12,2013 | 06:45PM
sooregonian wrote:
@Juke -- When will the looney left of Hawaii realize their islands were just seized by the left coast, lead by Californica?
on November 12,2013 | 02:33PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Californication.
on November 12,2013 | 02:55PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Waterman2 - Good show.
on November 12,2013 | 04:22PM
localguy wrote:
juke - Posting your shibai again are we. Kingdom of God? How can there be when no god exists? Religion is a crutch for weak minded individuals.
on November 12,2013 | 02:41PM
DRH wrote:
...nor people who eat catfish, nor those who wear cotton-polyester shirts, nor those who practice "three sisters" agriculture, and on and on. There are something like 613 of these laws. How many do you break every day?
on November 12,2013 | 03:41PM
false wrote:
Same after re-action ot SSM as in the case of rail. Lots of shouting for and against rail and same sex marriage. Now after passage, look at the rail project. Still a lot of dissidents but very quiet. Same will hold true after the SSM is passed. Will voters remember who voted for or against? I doubt it. Even if they did, the same folks will be voted back in. The politicians know full well human nature and Bonehead Psych 101, no?
on November 12,2013 | 02:25PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Anyway, gays, enjoy the hollow victory, I know you worked hard for it. I will pray the demons who plague you be defeated that you might see and embrace the truth.
on November 12,2013 | 02:57PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
1) its a victor to all people who value equality and fair treatment; 2) many of us will pray for you and the hatred which has entered your heart.
on November 12,2013 | 03:14PM
Waterman2 wrote:
certainly not a victory for me.
on November 12,2013 | 03:40PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
See 2), above.
on November 12,2013 | 03:56PM
Waterman2 wrote:
No hatred, just worried about your real life, and that of our nation. Just because you reject the story about God's wrath re: "strange flesh" and other problems doesn't make the most widely accepted history of man meaningless. I could care less about you and your fellows, you seem to want to be on your own and care less about any higher meaning. I care more for the loss to our nation and world in the guise of ?? Fornication ? Man's baser instincts ? Exactly what ? But like I said, congratulations, hope it turns out well for you in the long run.
on November 12,2013 | 04:15PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Waterman2 - You and farce are the demons who plague them. Pray away you and farce.
on November 12,2013 | 03:23PM
Waterman2 wrote:
And exactly who will you pray this to if you have no God......same definition as "Un Godly"
on November 12,2013 | 03:41PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Waterman2 - It blew right past you. [You] should pray away you and farce. Geez, you are dense.
on November 12,2013 | 04:00PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
By the venom you spew out, could you be...Satan?
on November 12,2013 | 06:07PM
7yearTribulation wrote:
GOD IS LOVE, He Hates The Sin, But Loves The Sinner, but He is also a God of Justice and keeps His Word... Like a famous man said " If God doesnt judge American He owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology " Do not worry He will judge the world including America . REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND . Dont you recognize the increase of troubling times coming on this world? Do Not Underestimate what Jesus did at the cross for all mankind
on November 12,2013 | 02:37PM
Fred01 wrote:
You and those like you are a disgrace to Jesus. Go away. Hell is waiting for you. How dare you use Jesus to justify your hate!
on November 12,2013 | 02:59PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Fred01 - No god. Jesus was a man. No hell. No worries.
on November 12,2013 | 03:25PM
slink wrote:
I'm tired of self-righteous Christians who truly believe they know what Jesus would say or do, but constantly quote the Old Testament as the word of Jesus. There's a huge difference between the two parts of the Bible. Also, are they following ALL the rules if the Old Testament?
on November 12,2013 | 03:11PM
Waterman2 wrote:
They are two parts to the whole. Do you know how many times in the OT Jesus' coming was foretold ? How many things he would do that prove his divinity ? Before you dismiss the Old testament try to read and understand what it says.....then if you want to discount it fine, do so at your loss.
on November 12,2013 | 03:46PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
7yearTribulation - Oh lordy, lordy. Here comes the BS. Ducketh thee.
on November 12,2013 | 03:24PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
For your information, the Sodom and Gomorrah was about being hospitable to your guests and thus you had to hand over your daughter to your guest or be considered a sinner. And I am sure you already quoted Leviticus stating that "men shall not lie with men." If you read the verses before and after, you will be instructed to stone any wife who divorces her husband. Same goes for children who disobey their parents. I also suppose that you forgot that at one point the eating of pork was not allowed by the bible. And then they added a new testament that said that it was okay to eat pork. It is people like you that Jesus spoke of, Pharisee.
on November 12,2013 | 06:12PM
kuniagirl wrote:
I forgot that part about "take my daughter...please" (like the Henny Youngman joke). Boy it mustve stunk to be a woman then.
on November 12,2013 | 06:49PM
Fred01 wrote:
Go back to Tahiti dingbat.
on November 12,2013 | 02:57PM
Waterman2 wrote:
Fredo, I would listen and try to understand what 7year said. There is no hate there, God does indeed love and call all mankind. Unfortunately some refuse to hear the call. We all live in sin of one kind or another, that doesn't mean God hates you, but He does not, and can not tolerate sin. So He arraigned forgiveness. If you seek a relationship with God, He will help you to understand and overcome sin, and you will find forgiveness. (Forget gay.....do you live without ANY sin ?) If you reject Him, you reject His forgiveness and thus there is no help as you don't believe He is there. For those who don't believe He is there He certainly won't be .
on November 12,2013 | 03:31PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
PCWarrior - Says the sore loser.
on November 12,2013 | 03:29PM
nigelUV001 wrote:
Gay love is equal to straight love and now gay marriage and divorce will be equal too. All is fair in the eyes of the courts.
on November 12,2013 | 04:54PM
swagger wrote:
Just was watching the news and looking at the goofballs dancing wearing their rainbow leis how sick is that. I wonder if they sang the YMCA, perfect song for them.
on November 12,2013 | 05:14PM
kuniagirl wrote:
I love that song! Great suggestion!
on November 12,2013 | 06:50PM
swagger wrote:
I did too back during the skate palace days but later found out the real meaning of the song eeww.
on November 12,2013 | 07:28PM
nodaddynotthebelt wrote:
Congratulations to our segment of our population that has been denied equal rights for to long. And congratulations to the government for getting it right finally. This is a historic event for the state of Hawaii and our country as a whole.
on November 12,2013 | 05:22PM
DRH wrote:
I would like dedicate a favorite quote to 7year, Waterman2, and others of their ilk. It's from Robert M. Pirsig: "When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion."
on November 12,2013 | 06:45PM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
Gay Pride. Question: Proud of WHAT? Proud of being sodomites? Seriously? How laughable!
on November 12,2013 | 06:59PM
nippy68 wrote:
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on November 12,2013 | 07:28PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Please, we really don't need to know your plans. TMI.
on November 12,2013 | 07:54PM
can wrote:
Good night nurse. They've gone too far. Who do they think they are? Punks with power. Inglorious illegitimate frauds.
on November 12,2013 | 07:45PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Be careful, the holier than thous will accuse you of being intolerant.
on November 12,2013 | 07:55PM
seaborn wrote:
I don't know who originally posted this, but for those believing in "traditional marriage," and what the bible tells them of same-sex marriage, here's a few more marriage passages from your bible: Crazy Things the Bible States about Marriage 1 kings 15:9-10… Abijam apparently marries his own mother. 1 Corinthians 7… Paul discourages marrying in several ways Deuteronomy 22:28-29… If you rape a virgin, it’s ok, but you have to pay her dad 50 shekels of silver and marry her… 2 Samuel 13:1-22… David’s son wouldn’t marry his half sister after he raped her though, so he gets killed. 1 Timothy 5:11-12… apparently young widows who remarry are going to hell? Lamech, Abijah, Esau, Jacob, Samuel’s father, Saul, David, Solomon, Ashur, Rehoboam, Jehoram, Jehoiada, all had multiple wives and sometimes concubines with no condemnation about it. Exodus 21:20... instructions for taking a second wife Abram is married to his half sister. Genesis 17:15-16… Abraham marries Sarai… his sister. Exodus 6:20… Moses’s father married his father’s sister, making Moses a product of aunt/nephew incest. Psalms 106:29-30… somebody throws a spear through a newly married interracial couple and kills them both at the same time. This makes God happy enough that he stops the plague. Jeremiah 3:1… a remarried divorced woman is "polluted". Jeremiah 3:20… if a wife leaves her husband it is treacherous… tis ok for men to do that though, until Jesus came around. Judges 21:7-33… The Benjamites needed wives, because the Israelites killed so many of them, so the Israelites attack yet another tribe, killing everything except the 400 young virgins for them, which wasn’t enough, so they went somewhere else, hid in the bushes, and told the Benjamites to just snatch whichever one they like. When that tribe didn't like that too much, the Israelites were like "hey guys, help us out here". Mark 10:29-30… Jesus tells potential followers to abandon their wives and children to follow him and they’ll get 100 times that many in heaven. Luke 14:26… Jesus says you can’t be his disciple unless you hate your wife and kids and the rest of your family. LAST BUT NOT LEAST... Deuteronomy 22:13-21… if you take a wife, "go into her", but later decide you hate her, you can claim she wasn’t a virgin when you got married. If her parents then cannot "produce the tokens of virginity" (bloody sheets... figure it out), which would be impossible at this point... she is to be stoned to death at her dad’s doorstep.
on November 12,2013 | 07:48PM
Galajr wrote:
This proves since Abercrombie's been in office. He has done nothing good for the state.
on November 12,2013 | 08:33PM
moondog73 wrote:
I'm glad to hear that some churches will refuse to perform same sex marriages. My son recently became ordained so he's licensed to perform marriages, man and woman or same sex, doesn't matter to him. Hopefully he be able to make some extra money to help out his mom and me with paying our mortgage.
on November 12,2013 | 10:47PM
CloudForest wrote:
WOW KENZO!!! --- perverts can now get a piece of paper that says they are perverts together forever and ever !!! Yet, the question remains, will they stay true to one another or will one stray into the arms of another pervert? Stay tuned - only time will tell .......
on November 12,2013 | 11:39PM
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