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State lawmaker returns to court in fight against gay marriage

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 12:58 p.m. HST, Nov 27, 2013


With Hawaii poised to start issuing same-sex marriage licenses Monday, state Rep. Bob McDermott has filed a new motion in state Circuit Court looking to invalidate the state's new law legalizing such marriages.

The motion asks Judge Karl Sakamoto to reconsider the significance of Hawaii's 1998 constitutional amendment; McDermott argues that measure prevents the Legislature from expanding marriage to same-sex couples.

"This is a serious issue, and we have case law and precedent on our side," McDermott said in a statement today announcing the motion. "We shall fully litigate this through the appeals process."

A hearing on the motion is scheduled for Jan. 13, according to McDermott.

The move comes after a Nov. 14 decision by Sakamoto refusing to issue a temporary restraining order sought by McDermott and a group of Christians looking to prevent the state from issuing licenses to gay couples. Sakamoto's ruling came the day after Gov. Neil Abercrombie signed the gay marriage bill into law.

At the Nov. 14 hearing, Sakamoto said McDermott and his fellow same-sex marriage opponents had standing to bring the lawsuit. He further said the plain meaning behind the vote for the 1998 constitutional ammendment was for the Legislature to reserve marriage to heterosexual couples.

However, Sakamoto also held that the 1998 vote did not restrict the Legislature's separate authority -- under Article III, Section 1 of the state Constitution -- to enact laws that define marriage.

McDermott said today that the constitutional amendment does restrict that separate authority. "U.S. Supreme Court Law affirms that the will or intent of the people on a Constitutional Amendment, when reasonably inferred, supersedes and subordinate statutory language or committee reports," McDermott's news release said.







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HLOEWEN wrote:
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on November 27,2013 | 12:10PM
serious wrote:
I am not sure what age we are living in. We have a bottle/can recycling program that is costing us taxpayer money every minute, hour of the day--now if HE would have called a special session to stop the money hemorrhage I could see it, but he hid his--what $688,000 wage increase for the state workers? Behind the shroud of gay marriages--what a guy.
on November 27,2013 | 12:41PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
Please there is nothing moral about discrimination no matter what imaginary deity you pray to or book of stories you believe.
on November 27,2013 | 02:18PM
pakeheat wrote:
You better hope its a book of stories, if you are wrong, too late for you, want to roll the dice?
on November 27,2013 | 04:09PM
serfboy wrote:
Are implying that the Bible is the final word of God? What about those that worship Allah, Buddha, etc? Are they sinners too?
on November 27,2013 | 04:49PM
kekelaward wrote:
As Joseph Campbell said, Don't mix up the metaphor with the message
on November 27,2013 | 06:06PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Even if you accept the Bible various churches are accepting gay marriage. (The smart Churches)
on November 28,2013 | 02:14AM
ehrhornp wrote:
Well there are Churches that support gay marriage and even the Catholic Church appears to be softening its stand.
on November 28,2013 | 02:13AM
wiliki wrote:
On the contrary we have never had such peace all over the world. There are a few conflicts but nothing on the scale of the past. We must be doing something right and that is moral.
on November 27,2013 | 03:35PM
localguy wrote:
HLOEWEN - How little you know about what is moral.
on November 27,2013 | 04:07PM
serfboy wrote:
Please provide evidence that you are moral or at a place where you can judge others to be moral or immoral.
on November 27,2013 | 04:51PM
localguy wrote:
Naaahhhh, Kohai. You can't handle the truth. Waste of my time trying to enlighten you.
on November 27,2013 | 05:33PM
kekelaward wrote:
Well, that was an easy way out of defending your thesis
on November 27,2013 | 06:08PM
localguy wrote:
Got that right Kohai.
on November 27,2013 | 06:50PM
jomama wrote:
Good argument for keeping your morals to yourself.
on November 27,2013 | 10:52PM
serfboy wrote:
One society's immorality is another societal norm.
on November 27,2013 | 04:47PM
ehrhornp wrote:
What is moral about big government running your life? Why anyone would need government to tell them who they can and cannot marry is beyond me. Shame people can't make this decision. I think it is telling that Bob's marriage would have been illegal not too long ago.
on November 28,2013 | 02:08AM
ehrhornp wrote:
The moral thing is to allow and support gay marriage. The immoral thing is to bitch about another's love. Love among consenting adults is moral.
on November 28,2013 | 04:28AM
HanabataDays wrote:
Shouldn't you be more directly concerned with the goings-on in your own state, MI, where marriage equality is back in the news right now? Why do you take such an interest in HI's law? Doesn't gore your ox in the slightest. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/16/gay-marriage-adoption-michigan/2992905/
on November 29,2013 | 05:14AM
Ulalei wrote:
we live in an age where other people's morals are taken into consideration
on November 27,2013 | 12:19PM
Ronin006 wrote:
We live in an age when morals are almost non-existent.
on November 27,2013 | 12:31PM
Ulalei wrote:
Time to start building that Ark
on November 27,2013 | 01:16PM
Oahuan wrote:
Actually bomb shelters. Sodom was not decimated by flood.
on November 27,2013 | 01:23PM
Ulalei wrote:
what was the flood for then? cause it was dry?
on November 27,2013 | 02:28PM
HanabataDays wrote:
Yes, we know God destroyed them with His very own neutron bomb. He's got another one stored up in the rafters of His carport, just waiting for HI's first gay weddiing!
on November 29,2013 | 05:16AM
pakeheat wrote:
They laughed at Noah, and see what happened? Better not take it for granted Ulalei.
on November 27,2013 | 04:10PM
Anonymous wrote:
You are not Noah and your religious self-righteousness is nothing to laugh at. It's shameful.
on November 28,2013 | 05:22AM
justin_thyme wrote:
Great idea! Please build it quickly. You and others who think as you do can then board that ark and sail away forever. We don't need your bigotry and intolerance in our progressive modern society. Good riddance to you! (Or just move to a red state where human rights are trampled upon as a matter of policy. Whatever -- just leave the rest of us alone!)
on November 27,2013 | 04:14PM
jomama wrote:
Ah, the good old days.
on November 27,2013 | 10:53PM
ehrhornp wrote:
You got that right. So are you doing anything about it? People who divorce their wives and then marry some bimbo are committing adultery which is condemn both by God and Jesus, Are you doing anything about this? Probably not because that is acceptable. Sad and pathetic.
on November 28,2013 | 02:18AM
wiliki wrote:
Discrimination is discrimination.... your morals are irrelevant if it cannot analyze that.
on November 27,2013 | 03:38PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Yes, wiliki, discrimination is discrimination, so why do our marriage laws discriminate against 9-year old kids who may want to marry or against siblings and close relatives who may want to marry or people who want to marry more than one spouse at a time?
on November 27,2013 | 04:27PM
serfboy wrote:
Can a 9-year old buy liquor or cigarettes? Can they vote or enlist in the armed services? Can you see that this law is not about what you're making it out to be?
on November 27,2013 | 04:55PM
Anonymous wrote:
And they can't give legal consent within a contract... Just like the dogs and goats some of those who want to justify their discriminatory nature regularly espouse wanting to marry.
on November 28,2013 | 04:15AM
kiragirl wrote:
At least McDermott is trying his best to stop what he believes in. I give him credit for that.
on November 27,2013 | 12:20PM
krusha wrote:
Dude wants to go down like a martyr. That's the reason why religion should be completely removed from government. You can make a religion pretty much about anything, even one that believes heterosexuality should be abolished.
on November 27,2013 | 12:35PM
ka_iwa wrote:
NOPE ! He has other political aspirations and he is hoping that this little song and dance of his will get him in the good graces of the voters who opposed SSM.
on November 27,2013 | 02:24PM
wiliki wrote:
He's insuring his future UN-electability.
on November 27,2013 | 03:40PM
Anonymous wrote:
Good.
on November 28,2013 | 05:23AM
false wrote:
The bozo will never be elected to a higher position in Hawaii. His religious high and mighty attitude and being a white non-local male will doom him. What a joker.
on November 27,2013 | 03:56PM
kekelaward wrote:
If religion was really removed from government, we wouldn't be at each other's throats about this topic.
on November 27,2013 | 06:11PM
Skyler wrote:
Get the gov't. out of the 'marriage' business, recognize civil unions for all, & none of this would be an issue.
on November 27,2013 | 11:07PM
HanabataDays wrote:
Except that no religion has a right to sequester a common English word like "marriage" to itself, or insist that society-at-large use another term instead like "civil union" because "marriage belongs to the church".
on November 29,2013 | 05:18AM
ehrhornp wrote:
That is probably their main goal. Not to eliminate heterosexuality, just sex. Not to be done except for procreation and even then not to be enjoyed.
on November 28,2013 | 04:35AM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
Oh please you only give him credit because you are anti-gay and yes because you are against marriage equality makes you anti-gay.
on November 27,2013 | 02:19PM
wiliki wrote:
Doesn't say much about his beliefs. They s$ck
on November 27,2013 | 03:41PM
localguy wrote:
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is as stupid does.
on November 27,2013 | 04:08PM
ehrhornp wrote:
But what does he believe in that causes him to go against the flow of history?
on November 28,2013 | 04:33AM
melane3 wrote:
McDermott will soon be relegated to the dustbin of history along with all the others who deny humans individual rights. He can only see the world through the lens of his own bigotry. So sad.
on November 27,2013 | 12:31PM
kawikakoike96819 wrote:
I agree with your comment. Equality for all.
on November 27,2013 | 01:29PM
kiragirl wrote:
He is challenging the process. What is wrong with that?
on November 27,2013 | 01:36PM
Nala007 wrote:
It's enough already. The opponents of marriage equality lost. Accept reality and move on. What would motivate a person to be so mean, insensitive, and unkind as to interfere with the right of other people to marry.
on November 27,2013 | 01:38PM
kiragirl wrote:
He is challenging the process. The same process that your side chose to pass SB1. It works both ways!
on November 27,2013 | 02:00PM
Nala007 wrote:
And the process we chose was 100% legal and constitutional. He just won't give up nor will you Kiragirl. That's okay by me. I don't have the slightest concern about where this is heading. McDermott will lose again and he will keep losing. If the opponents of marriage equality wish to continue wasting their resources on a lost cost, so be it.
on November 27,2013 | 02:38PM
serfboy wrote:
In other words, kiragirl, since it didn't go YOUR way, you're all nuha?
on November 27,2013 | 05:01PM
Mypualani wrote:
He's obsessed with DICK! And Jane poor guy.
on November 27,2013 | 02:19PM
goinglobal wrote:
The law. The people of Hawaii voted on a constitutional amendment that said a yes vote meant marriage between one man and one woman. The ballot never said anything that they can change their mind without another vote. Which part of a sham don't you understand.
on November 27,2013 | 08:24PM
Anonymous wrote:
No, they didn't.
on November 28,2013 | 04:16AM
ehrhornp wrote:
What the law giveth, it can take away. lol The law is constantly changing. Reading the amendment it gives the power to the legislature to decide. At the time the legislature decided it should be limited to "traditional" marriage. Today they decided gays can marry.
on November 28,2013 | 04:45AM
ehrhornp wrote:
He is married to a Polynesian woman I believe. At one time this would have been against the law in many areas of the country and in fact one mixed race couple was shunned someplace on the mainland recently. He should oppose his own marriage as many of the same arguments were used for both.
on November 28,2013 | 04:40AM
Anonymous wrote:
Nothing, unless he is spending taxpayer money.
on November 28,2013 | 05:25AM
wiliki wrote:
Right... he's pathetic.
on November 27,2013 | 03:43PM
steveoctober wrote:
agreed. hope he gets a taste of his own medicine. anyone can be discriminated whether it's religion, race, all the way down to what kind of phone you use and what companies you are loyal to.
on November 27,2013 | 04:06PM
jomama wrote:
Disappointing that this is what he invests his time in. Guess its his highest purpose. Could be worse I suppose, smashing shopping carts.
on November 27,2013 | 10:56PM
blackmurano wrote:
Representative Bob McDermott is doing the morally thing to stop this "Perversion Marriage." But we live in an era and cultural that the courts are on homosexuals side. Sakamoto will blindly look at with a "bias eyes" and will rule against McDermott. Thank you Bob for your continued effort to stop "The Collapse of Morality" in our State of Hawaii.
on November 27,2013 | 12:32PM
false wrote:
NO. Sakamoto will rule on the law and McDermouth and his attorney is wrong.
on November 27,2013 | 01:11PM
wiliki wrote:
But Sakamoto may be bamboozled by the legal argument of McDermouth....
on November 27,2013 | 03:46PM
localguy wrote:
Naaahhh, Sakamoto will smite those two acutely dysfunctional people so fast they will not know what hit them.
on November 27,2013 | 04:11PM
goinglobal wrote:
if anyone is using legal bamboozling its was the mayor calling a special session for this even though the people voted against this measure overwhelmingly. This is a sham and you of all people should know that.
on November 27,2013 | 08:27PM
Anonymous wrote:
It was the Governor, but don't let facts get in the way of your whining.
on November 28,2013 | 04:17AM
ehrhornp wrote:
Yes they are just wrong.
on November 28,2013 | 04:49AM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
The only thing perverted here is you and Bobby trying to stop loving couples from having the same rights, benefits and protections that you take for granted. Do us all a favor and keep your religion to yourself.
on November 27,2013 | 02:20PM
ehrhornp wrote:
It is going to be harder I think to rely upon religion to justify bigotry. When the Pope doesn't think it is that big of an issue, well there is hope for Catholics after all.
on November 28,2013 | 04:51AM
localguy wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - There you go again, spewing your usual hate and shibai. Sad to say you are one of "Those People" who just don't get it, falling behind the real world, dust in the wind. Can't even see you in the rear view mirror.
on November 27,2013 | 04:10PM
serfboy wrote:
Jaded much, blackmurano? Whose definition of morality and perversion are you using? What makes you qualified to judge what is moral and perverse? Stop the hate and embrace the love! And how dare you assume how Judge Sakamoto will rule? Do you know him personally where you can put words in his mouth?
on November 27,2013 | 05:06PM
ehrhornp wrote:
What is moral about what Bob is doing? He is pushing for government to decide who you can and cannot marry. I think it is interesting that his marriage might have been disallowed in the past. So how can he get off telling others that they cannot marry? He should look at his own marriage and be thankful that society today tolerates mix marriages. It didn't always.
on November 28,2013 | 04:48AM
kamoae wrote:
Enough already! Accept it and move on. You're wasting our tax dollars! Aim your passion at something that affects all of us and will better our world. The Star-Advertiser reported that you are harping on this because you promised your constituents that the issue of same sex marriage would be settled with the 1998 ballot which apparently it was not. Wake up and move on...PLEASE!
on November 27,2013 | 01:13PM
serfboy wrote:
That's a good point. Who IS paying for Bob McDermott's lawyer? It better be coming out of his own pocket and not ours nor his campaign fund.
on November 27,2013 | 05:09PM
busterb wrote:
BM shouldn't put his arm around that guy, people might talk.
on November 27,2013 | 01:18PM
starlight wrote:
I am sure the Staradvertiser selected this photo on purpose to promote their "unbiased" view.
on November 27,2013 | 01:24PM
serfboy wrote:
haha! good one!
on November 27,2013 | 05:09PM
serfboy wrote:
haha! good one!
on November 27,2013 | 05:09PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
ever heard of separation of church and state?
on November 27,2013 | 01:19PM
Skyler wrote:
Obviously the Government hasn't - otherwise law would be 'civil unions across the board' & none of this marriage brouhaha.
on November 27,2013 | 11:10PM
starlight wrote:
Right on McDermott for your persistent efforts for the people of Hawaii. The majority supports what you represent.
on November 27,2013 | 01:23PM
localguy wrote:
Once again, the "Moral" and "Majority" are neither.
on November 27,2013 | 04:11PM
kekelaward wrote:
It was when it was put up for s vote
on November 27,2013 | 06:15PM
Anonymous wrote:
The world changes. You might want to try to learn how to do that yourself or else be left behind.
on November 28,2013 | 05:27AM
ehrhornp wrote:
Haven't seen the latest polls have you? Majority now favors allowing it. Only logical position to take. That is the moral position.
on November 28,2013 | 04:54AM
Nala007 wrote:
It's enough already. The opponents of marriage equality lost. Accept reality and move on. What would motivate a person to be so mean, insensitive, and unkind as to interfere with the right of other people to marry.
on November 27,2013 | 01:39PM
localguy wrote:
Bureaucrats never get it, all lost causes.
on November 27,2013 | 06:52PM
goinglobal wrote:
what would motivate the governor promoting this even though everyone knows the people voted against this....
on November 27,2013 | 08:29PM
Anonymous wrote:
Equality under the law.
on November 28,2013 | 04:18AM
ehrhornp wrote:
The desire and love for Freedom and the belief that government should not be running people's personal lives. He obviously feels that most people don't need government telling them who they can and cannot marry.
on November 28,2013 | 04:55AM
alohacharlie wrote:
I certainly wished that when folks like McD want to appeal and appeal decisions reached by the legislature or by votes of the people, that they had to post a bond to cover the cost of such appeals. With the high cost of living in Hawaii, most tax payers can not afford to get stuck with the costs of these actions. By the way, when is he up for re-election?
on November 27,2013 | 01:53PM
kiragirl wrote:
Justice should not be a financial mean. If everyone had to do what you suggested, then the rich will prevail and the poor will not.
on November 27,2013 | 02:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
Kiragirl, but it is and the rich most time prevails because they are rich! Girl where have you been.
on November 27,2013 | 02:22PM
serfboy wrote:
Hate to disappoint you, kiragirl, but that's a good description of our culture today.
on November 27,2013 | 05:12PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
So then it WASN'T was ok for people to use the cost of the special session to justify not providing justice that way?
on November 27,2013 | 06:58PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Unfortunately we have the best judicial system money can buy. Remember OJ?
on November 28,2013 | 04:57AM
goinglobal wrote:
oh you mean like Obama defending the dysfunctional obamacare law
on November 27,2013 | 08:30PM
ehrhornp wrote:
You mean Nixon care? I think the founder of Obama's law should be given credit.
on November 28,2013 | 04:58AM
IsaiahChong wrote:
Whether this was done by the legislature in a special session or regular session or by the courts, it was inevitable... Equality prevails, it always does and always will! Mr. McDermott must let this go and focus on serious matters affecting his community, my community. He should go and spend a week at James Campbell High School, in a hot classroom, then he can go an sue the state for air-conditioning funds or something serious! His actions and lack of prioritizing is what encourages me daily to strive to win his seat in the next election in 2014!
on November 27,2013 | 02:18PM
blackmurano wrote:
Chongie, there is no such thing as "Equality in Marriage." When God created marriage as a covenant of one man and one woman it was a forever standard. There are those (homosexuals / lesbians) chose their walk in life (they were not born than way) by walking away from God. The Democratic party got suck into this lie called "Equality in Marriage." Anything that attempt to replace God's covenant of marriage is a "Perversion Marriage." That's what Governor Abrecombie signed into law - Perversion marriage.
on November 27,2013 | 03:25PM
localguy wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - Remember, there is no God, never was, never will be. All a work of fiction by us lowly humans. Believe in your false God if you want, but do not try to tell others how to live.
on November 27,2013 | 04:13PM
ehrhornp wrote:
While I believe there is a God force, I don't think it is really relevant. People don't need a God to be moral.
on November 28,2013 | 05:04AM
justin_thyme wrote:
BM, you may believe in your religion's intolerant rules and teachings if you choose, and then live YOUR life accordingly -- but you MAY NOT impose those religious beliefs on other people, especially not through operation of law.
on November 27,2013 | 04:21PM
serfboy wrote:
*applause*
on November 27,2013 | 05:13PM
kalanik001 wrote:
beeam, do you follow all laws as written in the bible? how about your wife, was she a virgin when you wed? if not then your marriage is a perversion of marrige according to the bible. your religious beliefs govern your life, thats where it ends. the constitution governs us all.
on November 27,2013 | 07:27PM
DRH wrote:
blackmurano, read your Bible, God created marriage as a covenant of one man and four women. Blackmurano? Jesus chose a Honda Accord. A passage in the Bible said that they shall come together in accord, not Murano..
on November 27,2013 | 08:11PM
ehrhornp wrote:
And you know they were not born that way because? The people who walk away from God are not the gay community but people who divorce their wives and marry a younger prettier model. Both God in the 10 commandments and Jesus opposed this.
on November 28,2013 | 05:02AM
ehrhornp wrote:
Bob is actually a nice person but he just needs big government to protect him from imaginary fears. Hopefully someday he will get over them and live a more productive life.
on November 28,2013 | 05:00AM
IsaiahChong wrote:
and*
on November 27,2013 | 02:19PM
MariaBetty wrote:
We live in age where we celebrate all things Christian without regard to its traditional meaning. We used to count our blessings on Thanksgiving. Now retailers reap our harvest. We used to celebrate Jesus on Christmas. Now we reward ourselves with birthday gifts. We used to have traditional marriage. Now love divides us.
on November 27,2013 | 02:37PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
Jesus (if there was such a person) was born in like June - but the roman catholic church moved it to be near the winter solstice - the high holy day of the pagans so they would get more buy in. So if we are going to return things to the way they use to be lets start by putting christmas in June (aka Gay Pride month) and let the pagans have their holiday bush (because YES x-mas trees is also a tradition stolen by pagans).
on November 27,2013 | 02:50PM
blackmurano wrote:
Most theologians say the real birth day of Jesus Christ is September 29 or around that time. December 25 was a pagan holiday. But Christians made that into the birth of Jesus Christ. Gift giving was a pagan practice also. We use to sing Christians carols but the humanist or atheist fought in court to do away with any Christmas song that has God or Jesus Christ mentioned.
on November 27,2013 | 03:21PM
pakeheat wrote:
Yes blackmurano, they always get the facts wrong, LOL
on November 27,2013 | 04:12PM
Anonymous wrote:
And you just make yours up and repeat them over and over.
on November 28,2013 | 04:20AM
localguy wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - All just fiction, can't be proven, didn't happen.
on November 27,2013 | 04:14PM
8082062424 wrote:
You can not prove it did not happen.it been proven that there was a world wide flood
on November 27,2013 | 04:51PM
localguy wrote:
Floods happen all the time. What is your point? You did have one right?
on November 27,2013 | 05:35PM
8082062424 wrote:
world wide flood. say it all
on November 27,2013 | 06:12PM
localguy wrote:
World wide? And how was this verified? No way to tell back then, no way to verify dates, no solid records. Just a SWAG. Religion, a crutch for weak minded individuals.
on November 27,2013 | 06:53PM
serfboy wrote:
Boy, am I GLAD I'm not on your Xmas shopping list!
on November 27,2013 | 05:14PM
davidg3162 wrote:
@kapoleitalkstory - Your parenthetical comment questioning if Jesus ever existed is the most ignorant of all. Never in the history of this planet has there been more documentation that a person existed. You only doubt His existence because you don't want to answer for the sinful way that you live your life. No worries, one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. I just hope that you get that before you pass on and then it will be too late.
on November 27,2013 | 04:31PM
kainalu wrote:
Exactly when can we expect the sky to fall, Mr. McDermott?
on November 27,2013 | 02:55PM
blackmurano wrote:
Aloha kainalu. . . Maybe you meant when is the Judgment Day for those who have mess with God's Covenant of marriage of one man and one women. Yes you can say the sky is falling. Judgment is coming and is coming soon.
on November 27,2013 | 03:19PM
localguy wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - The only "Judgement Day" is the Terminator movie. Everything else is just shibai, a work of fiction. Coming soon? Ohh puhleeze. Same shibai weak minded religious people have been saying for decades. Hello, he isn't coming.
on November 27,2013 | 04:15PM
serfboy wrote:
So blackmurano, what will happen to believe in Buddha or Allah?
on November 27,2013 | 05:16PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Have to laugh at this. God is going to punish mankind for being tolerant of love? Meanwhile what about adultery which includes divorcing and remarrying? Now both Jesus and God dealt specifically with this but neither directly addressed homosexuality. If man is to fall, it will be because of adultery before homosexual marriage.
on November 28,2013 | 08:20AM
808warriorfan wrote:
A personal message for State Rep. Bob McDermott.....If you are so against Same Sex Marriage why don't you move away from Hawaii to some Ultra Conservative State that will back you up. This is Hawaii; Live and let live...Mind your own business...if people don't bother you don't bother them. Quit trying to make everyone live their lives the way you want them to...
on November 27,2013 | 03:05PM
blackmurano wrote:
A personal message to 808warriorfan. If you like homosexual marriage and homosexuals than why don't you move to San Francisco where youll feel much comfortable. Every Conservative know Hawaii is owned by the union and is the most liberal state in the nation. But when it comes to homosexual marriage, the majority of Hawaii citizens are against what I call "Perverson marriage." Your liberal Democrats voted this Perversion marriage into our State of Hawaii despite the will of the people who don't want it. Bob McDermott is not shy or feel embarrassed in taking the lead of what will happen to Hawaii - "The Morality Collapse."
on November 27,2013 | 03:17PM
slink wrote:
As has been noted many times, you cannot "vote" people's rights away. Besides, the "majority" you write about was statistically never a majority and those polls were 15 years ago. Enlightened people, even enlightened Christians know that Jesus never spoke directly about homosexuality; Peter later interpreted it that way himself. And Peter was NOT Christ. Love your neighbor as yourself... Now, go in peace and sin no more, for the log in your eye is blocking the truth... Yes, I paraphrase, but I think you get the idea, though I know you have your beliefs and I support your American, not Christian, rights via the Constitution, to express them.
on November 27,2013 | 03:47PM
davidg3162 wrote:
I don't know what Bible you are reading but Jesus clearly said marriage was for a man and a woman in Mathew 19. It was Paul that wrote more about homosexuality being wrong - not so much Peter. You should actually read the Bible if you want to quote it correctly.
on November 27,2013 | 04:16PM
slink wrote:
Matthew 19 is in direct reference to a question about divorce. If you read the verse further you'll know that many divorced people are HUGE sinners. There are much smarter people than I who are more qualified to argue the Bible; perhaps you are one of those, but you need to read the Bible in context and not cherry pick what's good for your argument, or else you fall into that large group of Christians who follow the Old Testament and claim to be followers of Jesus.
on November 27,2013 | 04:26PM
false wrote:
Bible? What's that? There is no after life and those that believe it are fools. Live a good, honest life and enjoy while still living. Nothing wrong with that!
on November 27,2013 | 04:37PM
serfboy wrote:
AMEN!
on November 27,2013 | 05:22PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality directly. If it was so bad don't you think he would have specifically mentioned it?
on November 28,2013 | 05:08AM
8082062424 wrote:
jesus sais loud and clear he did not come to change the law but to fulfill them. he also said go and sin no more
on November 27,2013 | 04:53PM
Anonymous wrote:
So what? Believe in him if you want to, but stop justifying his word as the reason for discrimination.
on November 28,2013 | 04:22AM
ehrhornp wrote:
Think it would be better to just say Stop using Jesus as a reason for gay discrimination as he never mentioned homosexuality.
on November 28,2013 | 05:12AM
ehrhornp wrote:
But while he talked about the evils of adultery, he never mentioned homosexuality. At the very least, being gay is far less serious than being an adulterer.
on November 28,2013 | 05:10AM
localguy wrote:
blackmumbojumbo - Personal message to you. No one cares what you post, just wasting your time. Your posts are used to line the cat litter box, pure shibai. Worship your false God all you want, just don't try to tell others how to live.
on November 27,2013 | 04:17PM
serfboy wrote:
So now, blackmurano, you are blaming this on labor unions? And have YOU conducted a comprehensive poll of all the Hawaii citizens such that you can make a blanket statement as: "But when it comes to homosexual marriage, the majority of Hawaii citizens are against what I call "Perverson marriage." Your liberal Democrats voted this Perversion marriage into our State of Hawaii despite the will of the people who don't want it."?
on November 27,2013 | 05:21PM
808warriorfan wrote:
I have property in SF...I did not say I like Homosexual marriage and homosexuals. I believe in minding your own business and let people live and let live. Who am I to dictate terms to others ?????
on November 27,2013 | 07:20PM
ehrhornp wrote:
Actually SF is not the gay capital it may have once been. Honolulu has surpassed it. Shame you don't keep up with latest polls. Gay marriage is now favored by a majority.
on November 28,2013 | 05:14AM
Skyler wrote:
"Quit trying to make everyone live their lives the way you want them to..."

Oh the irony...
on November 27,2013 | 11:12PM
syhud wrote:
McDermott you are here by diagnosed a clinical homophobic. Please go and seek medical or psychological help!
on November 27,2013 | 03:39PM
Teri_Heede wrote:
Marriage is a Civil Right. End of discussion. If you want to live in a theocracy by all means, buy a ticket to Iran. This episode in history amplifies the necessity for a SEPARATION of church and state. That my friends, is what the founding fathers intended.
on November 27,2013 | 03:55PM
justin_thyme wrote:
Absolutely correct, Teri! Iran would be fine -- or if they can't tolerate non-Christian theocracies, then they can move to Alabama, or South Carolina, or Utah, or any of many other red states controlled by intolerant bigots. Hawai'i is the home of ALOHA, a tolerant and loving sentiment.
on November 27,2013 | 04:28PM
localguy wrote:
What is with acutely dysfunctional Attorney Jack Dwyer and state Rep. Bob McDermott? Haven't they noticed they are the only ones not going with the flow? SSM is a slam dunk, done deal, the tidal wave is coming and these two fools are going to be bowled over so fast they will not know what hit them. Sad to see one of the fools in on the tax payer's dole, complete waste of money. Fool needs to resign.
on November 27,2013 | 04:06PM
swagger wrote:
Localguy how does it feel to have sex with another guy, so gross just thinking about it.
on November 27,2013 | 04:35PM
localguy wrote:
swagger - Tell us about your experiences on the low side.
on November 27,2013 | 05:36PM
Anonymous wrote:
Ask thos. He seems to be the expert. Otherwise, don't think about. It's none of your business anyway.
on November 28,2013 | 04:24AM
davidg3162 wrote:
Here's what the Bible says about all this: Romans 1:18-32 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; theyare whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things." When the disasters come, don't blame God becasue He stayed out of our business when we took him out of our schools, out of our courts, out of our Government and out of our lives. are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
on November 27,2013 | 04:12PM
Ronin006 wrote:
I believe most people commenting about McDermott’s law suit are missing the point. It is not about McDermott’s personal view about same sex marriage; it is about whether the state legislature can change the state constitution simply by passing a bill approving gay marriage. He has Supreme Court precedent on his side and he should prevail in the appeal process.
on November 27,2013 | 04:36PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
He won't because you are wrong.
on November 27,2013 | 07:02PM
Anonymous wrote:
Ronin can't help but repeat the bogus talking points. It's all he's got left in his battle to make everyone follow HIS rules.
on November 28,2013 | 04:26AM
nolerd wrote:
What makes this guy think he is above everyone else? I'm a male married to a female and living a happy life. If a male wants to marry a male or a female wants to marry a female, let them marry and be happy. Who says they have to follow YOUR God? Why is this hurting, bothering, upsetting you? What if I'm white and my wife is black? (She doesn't care for African American) Are we next on your "Hit List?" Let people be happy and MARRY/MERRY!
on November 27,2013 | 06:35PM
swagger wrote:
Are you one of the those closet guys too?
on November 27,2013 | 08:01PM
Anonymous wrote:
Usually the ones fighting the hardest against equal rights for gays are the ones with the deepest closets. Grab your mirror and; ake a look.
on November 28,2013 | 04:28AM
RNC404 wrote:
Amazing when morality is in question, homosexuals become the target for political and religious insecurities. Politicians and zealous god fearing believers have never coexisted in the same space but have found the same "bed" to enhance their political relationships. Their beliefs conflict to the core and yet they are able to compromise for the sake of "morality." Gays who are seeking their happiness are met with obstruction from those who are willing to "lay" in the same bed. Who is living immorally?
on November 27,2013 | 10:00PM
9ronboz wrote:
Yeah
on November 27,2013 | 10:14PM
GANANSA wrote:
i applaud McDermott and wish he wins . i believe in the Holy Trinity . i know that God knows me well , very well . i continue to learn of the three personalities of this One GOD . I am a sinner . I feel that same sex marriage could be safe from the fires of HELL if they marry JESUS and abstain from human sexual practices . In a sense living as sisters or brothers . I pray more than a Muslim and I ask my DEAR FATHER/GOD TO SAVE ALL SOULS FROM the fires of HELL .
on November 28,2013 | 12:13AM
ehrhornp wrote:
How sad. Give it up already. Why Bob needs government to tell him who he can marry is beyond me. I believe he is married to a non Caucasian which means he is in a mixed race marriage. Just think his marriage would be illegal not that long ago in many parts of the country.
on November 28,2013 | 02:05AM
RandolphW wrote:
Legal precedent. Legal precedent went out the window years ago. It would be easier to restore the old Pali Highway than it would be to stomp on the legislature's recent actions surrounding same sex unions. Apparently, McDermott has nothing better to offer in how he spends his time. How much of his time is left over for all the constituents in his district who surely have more pressing concerns?
on November 28,2013 | 06:35AM
HanabataDays wrote:
A terminally weak legal argument. It will fail just like the previous one. The plain language of the amendment clearly does NOT bar the legislature from extending marriage protection to same-gender couples. No amount of shyster chicanery can obfuscate the clear meaning. And if the public thought they were getting anything different, the blame is on the voters for their lack of literacy.
on November 29,2013 | 05:13AM
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