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Police: Officer shoots boy, 17, at Roosevelt High after knife attack

By Gregg K. Kakesako

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LAST UPDATED: 06:42 p.m. HST, Jan 28, 2014


A 17-year-old boy was shot by a police officer this morning after he allegedly attacked three officers with a kitchen knife as they were attempting to take him into custody as a runaway, police said.

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The suspect, who was shot in the arm, was taken by paramedics in good condition to the hospital. He was arrested on three counts of attempted murder, police said. A 17-year-old boy was shot by a police officer this morning after he allegedly attacked three officers with a kitchen knife as they were attempting to take him into custody as a runaway, police said. 

Maj. Richard Robinson, head of Honolulu Police Department's Criminal Investigation Division, said police went to Roosevelt High at around 8:30 a.m. to pick up a non-active student who was a reported runaway. When three police officers arrived at the counselor's office near the Punchbowl campus, the suspect brandished a kitchen knife. At that point, a counselor and an aide fled the room.

During a scuffle with the three officers, one officer fired two gunshots, with one of the bullets hitting the teenager's arm, Robinson said.  

The officers were punched and sustained minor lacerations, Robinson said. They did not need medical attention and remained at the scene. 

Police said that one of the officers has been with the force for 12 years and the other two were 10-year veterans, including the one who fired the shots. As is standard procedure, that officer will be placed on administrative duty while the shooting is investigated. 

HPD Deputy Chief Dave Kajihiro said there was no danger to any other students since the shooting took place inside an office and no other individuals were present.

However, he could not provide details as to where the second bullet ended up, and what was on the other side of the walls and door of the office at the time of the shooting.

In fact, DOE spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said the shooting took place in a counselor’s office at the main administration building. It’s the same building where another student said she was inside a counselor’s office when she heard three shots fired.

In response to questions of why a gun was used to shoot a juvenile inside a school rather than a Taser, police spokeswoman Michelle Yu said in a written e-mail response:

“Officers are trained to make split-second decisions in life-threatening situations and to take appropriate action.”

She said many of the details of the shooting are under investigation and declined to provide an answer as to whether there are certain rules of police conduct when dealing with a juvenile in a school setting as opposed to an adult in a different setting.

Police said in a written statement that “upon seeing the officers enter the school office, the 17-year-old male quickly became combative.”

“The suspect took out a large knife, a struggle ensued, and the suspect punched and slashed at the officers,” the statement said. “One of the officers fired two shots, striking the suspect once.”

Police said the suspect was taken in serious condition with non-life-threatening injuries to the hospital.

Kajihiro said: “From looking at it, it looks as if they did everything right.”

He said the teen allegedly stabbed an officer in his protective vest, cutting his uniform.

Police were acting on a court order to pick him up, Kajihiro said.

The Punchbowl-area campus was put on lockdown immediately after the incident.

Dela Cruz said an email alert and automated calls went out within minutes to warn parents of what was happening at the school. She said a lockdown means that no one can come in or leave the school.

The calls go to the phone number listed as the emergency contact for the parents. The same alert was issued to neighboring schools to warn them of the situation at Roosevelt.

At 9:11 a.m., school officials sent out a text message to parents that said: "The situation at Roosevelt is under control. The Honolulu Police Department is wrapping up their investigation. Again, the situation is under control. Please remain calm."

The DOE tweeted that students were being released for the day at 10 a.m.

Student Kodie Akamine said she was in the counselor's office in the main administration building when she heard at least three gunshots. 

Irma Leal said she got a call from her daughter Mercedes, a senior, on her cell phone, and "she was OK." Mercedes Leal told her mother that at that point the students were being locked down in their classrooms. Irma Leal said she received an automated message from the school about the same time.

Karen Hamilton said her grandson called his mother with the same message.

More than a dozen marked blue-and-white police cars lined Nehoa Street in front of Roosevelt High School, which has about 1,400 students and 150 faculty and staff.

The school's parking lot was cordoned off with cones and yellow tape, and yellow tape also extended around the auditorium area. 

Faith Kalamau King, parent of a freshman, said she left her job as soon as she heard the news on Facebook to head to the school and check on her son Kahaku.

"I want to make sure he was OK," she said. "To me he's not OK until I see him in my arms. My heart is beating so fast. There have been so many shootings of this kind on the mainland."

Students streamed out of the school after they were released building by building. Nehoa Street was jammed with cars as anxious parents came to get their children.







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mcc wrote:
Interesting piece of reporting. Great story.
on January 28,2014 | 08:11AM
lwandcah wrote:
Why on earth are the students being released? Who are they being released to and what if no one is available to get them? I bet it is going to be complete chaos with no systematic way to handle a release in place. Why wouldn't there be something in place to deal with this type of situation? No one died, there aren't body parts all over the place, I would think that the school would be able to handle something like this instead of kicking everyone out and let them roam about doing whatever they wanted.
on January 28,2014 | 09:16AM
jimmyhouse67 wrote:
As a teacher in Nevada, this is the way that schools are trained to deal with the situation after the lockout has been lifted and the police give the all clear. Please don't talk about what you have no knowledge as your ignorance is upsetting. The students are not being kicked out, they are being released in a safe environment, so get a clue.
on January 28,2014 | 09:29AM
Nevadan wrote:
Bad English
on January 28,2014 | 09:50AM
TigerEye wrote:
Fragment
on January 28,2014 | 03:49PM
lwandcah wrote:
My apologies, I did not mean to ruffle your feathers Nevada teacher. Being a clueless parent and grandparent, but honestly my concern is for the children and not whether or not I hurt your feelings. "Safe environment"? They were told if they have a ride home "wait in the stadium". If they don't, they are left to go on their merry way. There will be some children (and yes they are children) that will not have a support system to turn to and will be left to deal with it all alone. If nothing else, couldn't the school offer to the children that don't have somewhere to go, or would prefer to be with people they are comfortable with a "safe environment" with experts in the field that can help the children deal with what just happened? By not having this as an option, they are essentially "being kicked out", and if this is how they are "trained to deal with it", the people that come up with the plans need to reassess it.
on January 28,2014 | 09:59AM
sonoma808 wrote:
These are high school students, not elementary or intermediate school students. These students should be able to contact their parents/guardians regarding being able to get home. If this were an elementary or intermediate school, then I would understand your panic. I'm sure the school has a support system for those students who seemed distressed or those coming forward needing someone to speak with. Since the incident was contained in one area, students who were not in that area may not be affected as much since they were just told of what was happening and the school was on lock down.
on January 28,2014 | 10:10AM
RichardCory wrote:
It's a high school. You really think these kids can't figure out how to manage themselves for a couple of hours until their parents pick them up? Give me a break. What kind of cozy little bubble did you grow up in?
on January 28,2014 | 10:31AM
goodvibrations wrote:
Plus, who could focus on lessons at school after that happened?
on January 28,2014 | 01:19PM
SteveToo wrote:
Well in Nevada and Hawaii they are being taught the WRONG thing. School should have gone on as normal. There was no danger to anyone for the rest of the day.
on January 28,2014 | 04:24PM
aomohoa wrote:
Pretty hard to concentrate for students after something so shocking.
on January 28,2014 | 07:05PM
SteveToo wrote:
OOPS, There it is. LOL Thought I posted it higher. LOL
on January 28,2014 | 07:13PM
Giligan wrote:
The lone troublemaker was apprehended, the situation was defused, why all the fuss, close schools, media coverage, and forum idiots like us talking about it?
on January 29,2014 | 05:17AM
Hoppy wrote:
They probably learned from the mainland cases that releasing them is the best way to insure parents that their children are ok. In the article, it mentions a parent wanting to see their child to make sure they are ok. I hope that a system is in place in a case like this that a parent or predetermined adult must pick them up so that the students are not going to just be let out on their own. Once a parent picks them up and signs for their release, they will become responsible for their child(s) actions. Also, can you image if they continued with classes, the school office would probably get flooded with calls wanting information on they're children. I don't think the office could handle 1200 calls at once, People would get frustrated and end up going to the school anyway. Well if finally happened. Police here have always said, "It's not if a shooting is going to happen, it's when" .
on January 28,2014 | 09:32AM
lee1957 wrote:
Your assumptions are out of date. Every single one of these kids has a cell phone to contact a parent or guardian. I would think it would be extremely rare if not impossible that parents/children could not make a physical connection on short notice, or a friend or neighbor step in.
on January 28,2014 | 10:31AM
Ronin006 wrote:
Come on, Iwandcah, these are high school students. They do not need mom or dad to hold their hands to and from school. .
on January 28,2014 | 01:39PM
Pocho wrote:
why is there no stun gun? instead of using live rounds
on January 28,2014 | 11:57AM
Tarakian wrote:
good question...however, I got a question for you. If you were in a room with your child and a teenager pulls a large knife on you and your child, would you feel faster at pulling your gun which is the same side as your natural hand or the stun gun lower on your leg and reach for it with your "left" hand? You choose at the risk to your life and your child. Please keep in mind it only takes a second to close the gap to stab you or your child.
on January 28,2014 | 12:55PM
GoldenRule wrote:
I concur.
on January 28,2014 | 01:12PM
Pocho wrote:
no need to be a rocket scientist.
on January 28,2014 | 01:57PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
3 cops should be able to restrain a 17 year old, even if he has a knife. Step back and taser him. Shooting should be the last option considered and only after he actually attempts to use deadly force first. Slashing to keep them away for him is hardly deadly force.No doubt they'll say it was justified because he had a knife but I still think 3 cops should have been able to handle the situation differently. Lucky someone else nearby didn't get shot too by accident. What would they be saying now if that had happened too?
on January 28,2014 | 06:07PM
soundofreason wrote:
TWO parents, HIS, should have been able control this situation. So, what's THEIR story?
on January 28,2014 | 06:30PM
Pocho wrote:
According to the report the kid was going after the cops and as a cop and only seeing a knife, which is a dangerous instrument, I'd have my stun gun in had ready to launch.
on January 28,2014 | 01:56PM
mplatte wrote:
Read the article.... The time line of events do not make sense with your statement. It does not say that the student had his knife out to begin with. The student pulled his knife out only after the police walked into the room. The police acted to his direct threat of using the knife
on January 28,2014 | 02:50PM
thos wrote:

” the kid was going after the cops”.

What ever this knife wielding male high school student is, “kid” is not one of them. He is at age 14 -18, an intimidating perp who DECIDED to initiate a potentially lethal assault on a peace officer.

“as a cop and only seeing a knife, which is a dangerous instrument, I'd have my stun gun in had ready to launch”.

ARE you in fact a cop?

If not, your woulda coulda shoulda is easily ignored.


on January 28,2014 | 03:07PM
TigerEye wrote:
As is yours.
on January 28,2014 | 03:51PM
BH1 wrote:
C'mon pocho. You brandish a large knife and lunge and slash at officers... You deserve to be shot. Sure, maybe not center mass and for the kill. But as reported, these were veteran officers and I am confident the student is not dead because he was strategically shot in the arm that was wielding the knife. And on top of everything else, unless you are a law enforcement agent, you have never been trained for these situations let alone state that "I'd have my stun gun in hand ready to launch." You'd probably run and scream like a girl as would most likely 95% of the population if a raging person started slashing at you with a large knife. It's real easy to be a tough guy on the internet.
on January 28,2014 | 03:14PM
jimmyhouse67 wrote:
BH!, I agree with you but cops are always taught to fire at center mass. It isn't Hollywood where the cops are such good shots that they can try to "wing" the suspect. In many academies, the recruits are taught the "21 foot rule", a suspect with a knife within 21 feet of you will be on top of you before you can get off a clean shot. That is why cops go to the gun in such situations.
on January 28,2014 | 04:20PM
BH1 wrote:
Point well taken Jimmy. I't seems you are either LE or have some sort of training and I will not argue with your points. But if such was the case, it seems odd that with three VETERAN officers, that one, two or three of them got off 1,2 or 3 shots that all missed CENTER MASS at such close range. That close proximity should be assumed if the suspect was able to get some "cuts" in on one of the officers. Perhaps the officer who was cut missed once, maybe twiice being rushed and slashed at and it was one of the other two cops who was able to get up close and put one in the shoulder from flush or from the back? And it was indeed fired with the intent not to kill? But a veteran officer, possibly with gun drawn from 21ft and have a suspect charge him and getting off 3 shots towards CENTER MASS and missing except for the wing seems like a black eye for training skills IMHO.
on January 28,2014 | 05:22PM
2NDC wrote:
A knife constitutes "deadly force". A Taser, though treated as "deadly force" by HPD, is actually marketed as "less lethal". In a case where I'm faced with "deadly force", I'd opt for the equal option rather than one where I only have one shot and should I miss I'd have to make a split second decision on how to escalate it. The kid is lucky that he was only hit in the arm. Could have ended a lot worse for him. Sad part now is that the officers involved have to live with the events that transpired and the kid will probably sue the City & County as well as DOE and make buku bucks from the incident. In the end, the taxpayers will be picking up the tab on this one. :-(
on January 28,2014 | 03:14PM
kahu808 wrote:
One officer was, in fact, stabbed. That raises the ante well beyond Taser use.
on January 28,2014 | 05:57PM
aomohoa wrote:
You are not making much sense.
on January 28,2014 | 07:09PM
Popo3620 wrote:
Dude research before you talk. Go google 21 foot rule. Then come back.
on January 28,2014 | 10:48PM
SteveToo wrote:
Thought this took place in a counselors office. Not a classroom.
on January 28,2014 | 07:15PM
thos wrote:

If memory serves the stun gun is basically a 40mm grenade launcher modified to accept a bean bag projectile that rotates in flight, expanding to its full diameter and thus delivering considerable impact energy by way of blunt force trauma to the target.

If that “non lethal” projectile should happen to hit “center of mass” - - especially at close range before all the projectile energy is expended in rotation/expansion - - in the proximate vicinity of the ‘wishbone’, how much shock force trauma does it take to interrupt the neural firing sequence upon which vital function of the heart valves depend?

I don’t pretend to know the answer, but among law enforcement professionals I would surmise there are opinions as to which tools of the trade are best suited for particular situations in which a perp must be subdued ASAP to end the danger he poses to himself and to others.


on January 28,2014 | 02:58PM
aomohoa wrote:
Are you crazy. This kid was dangerous. On the Mainland he would have been dead.
on January 28,2014 | 07:07PM
Peanutfan wrote:
That is the reaseon why you put an Emergency contact(s) for this reason if a parent is so concerned about their chlid being released the school did notify the emergency contact who should be able to pick the child up if not than maybe someone else should be listed as emergency contact. There are a lot of systems that are in place but, of course not all of them will be perfect.
on January 28,2014 | 12:27PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
This article is up for a PUlitzer prize for sure. Note the "PU". No pun intended.
on January 28,2014 | 08:18AM
Kingbudd wrote:
Heard it was an active shooter in building A...
on January 28,2014 | 08:22AM
whaole wrote:
Honestly, can someone please tell me again why we don't need more gun controls?
on January 28,2014 | 08:22AM
busterb wrote:
And take away the 2nd Amendment rights of a law abiding, until they go insane, citizen? You're crazy! I think they just need air conditioning.
on January 28,2014 | 08:45AM
niceynicey wrote:
Haha! Yup, mind goes crazy at 75 degrees, huh?
on January 28,2014 | 09:04AM
bsbsbs wrote:
Honestly, can someone please tell me again why we don't need more control on butter knives?
on January 28,2014 | 10:11AM
Ronin006 wrote:
Dsbsbs, it was a kitchen knife, whatever that means. I suppose it could have been a butter knife, but it also could have been a meat cleaver. Whatever it was, liberals might want to use this situation to pass a law to control the purchase and possession of kitchen knives.
on January 28,2014 | 02:00PM
MKN wrote:
@busterb: Actually today is pretty windy so I don't think the lack of air conditioning is the problem. :P Besides, students shouldn't be having guns to begin with without the close supervision of an adult.
on January 28,2014 | 09:06AM
busterb wrote:
Maybe too much mock orange blossoms in the air?
on January 28,2014 | 10:06AM
Pocho wrote:
more Gun Controls or not, that gun is there in school. Gun Control laws are only meant for lawful citizens. People who want to do harm do not care if there's gun controls or not.
on January 28,2014 | 08:52AM
808behappy wrote:
Wait, I thougt the student used a kitchen knife & it was the police who did the shooting.
on January 28,2014 | 09:46AM
boshio wrote:
What happenned to the "stun gun".
on January 28,2014 | 10:00AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Good question. And he shot twice from close range and only hit once?
on January 28,2014 | 10:25AM
4watitsworth wrote:
THREE police officers could not subdue a teenager and had to shoot him??
on January 28,2014 | 11:45AM
IAmSane wrote:
I don't care how old you are, but if you're armed with a knife, I'm not going to try to subdue you with my bare hands.
on January 28,2014 | 12:55PM
GoldenRule wrote:
I concur.
on January 28,2014 | 01:13PM
Ronin006 wrote:
4watisworth, put yourself in place of one of the three police officers and tell us how you would approach and subdue a 17 year old armed with a knife.
on January 28,2014 | 01:50PM
BH1 wrote:
Agree 100% IamSane and Ronin. There's so much tough guys on the net. Saying what they should've and what they would've done in that situation. My odds on what they would do if a man was slashing at them with a knife?.... They'd run. My take? If someone , man, women, student, or faculty is slashing at people in the vicinity of THEIR child? They wouldn't be questioning any of the officer's actions. They'd be out in the parking lot crying and just begging for the cops to shoot the suspect and get their child back safely. Then they'd be the same hypocrites trying to get on the news and praising the police for doing the "right thing." Lol
on January 28,2014 | 03:21PM
inverse wrote:
Actually the argument could be made for this situation to justify concealed carry in Hawaii for those who purchase a permit and take yearly training courses that they have to pass to maintain their conceal carry permit. In this case this Roosevelt student appears just to have a beef with another student whoever it what like a Columbine situation, teachers licensed to carry a concealed firearm could have greatly reduced the death of innocent students and teachers.
on January 28,2014 | 09:01AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
inverse, would it matter if Roosevelt teachers had permits to conceal and carry? No, because there was no overkill here.
on January 28,2014 | 09:09AM
inverse wrote:
If the intent of the shooter was like a Columbine, Virgina Tech or Sandy Hook situation, yes, responsible teachers with concealed carry and the training to properly use the weapon could have made a big difference. It is only a matter of time when a deranged person in Hawaii uses not a knife but a gun. Two incidences that come to mind was the one guy who stabbed another person for no reason on the Koko head trail and then push they guy over the ledge and another guy stabbed a school teacher while she was at a Kapolei shopping center. I think both claimed insanity and currently not in prison but at the Kaneohe mental hospital and theoretically could one day be released.
on January 28,2014 | 09:27AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Inverse, this is not Columbine or Sandy Hook, this is Hawaii. The reason those other places had gun incidents is an over saturation of parental second amendments lying all over the house.
on January 28,2014 | 11:52AM
thos wrote:
You DO of course know you are spouting gibberish, eh?
on January 28,2014 | 03:09PM
TigerEye wrote:
This is the first comment you've made that weighs in under 200 words... And, it's still 70 percent gratuitous fluff.
on January 28,2014 | 03:56PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Yea .... in Hawaii it's not the students that shoot people, it's the Police.
on January 28,2014 | 06:25PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Where are you getting your info that the "student appears just to have a beef with another student"?
on January 28,2014 | 10:26AM
HAJAA1 wrote:
Yeah, the gun walked to school and went off by itself. Pffft. Liberals today.
on January 28,2014 | 09:07AM
thos wrote:

“Pffft. Liberals today”

Caution: NEVER mock evil. Give the devil his due.

Those depraved maniacal activists - - who encourage others to call them “liberal” (they are nothing of the sort) - -now have the upper hand, thanks to the neglect and apathy of NORMAL people and they are on a roll.

Regardless of the issue - - whether same sex “marriage”, man made global warming, confiscation of private fire arms, dissipation of the fisc through massive spending/borrowing, harming children by legalizing dope, et al. - - these evil doers have one thing in common: they cannot be reasoned with and they are determined to destroy America.

Unless NORMAL people muster the courage to fight back and reclaim their God given rights, those rights and their country will be lost.


on January 28,2014 | 09:53AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
thos, God said to love one another and live in Peace. Why fight fellow Americans? That is against God.
on January 28,2014 | 11:55AM
thos wrote:
Look, Boss - - any evil doer who wants to tear down my country is no American and if any small effort of mine to oppose them can be called "fighting" then so be it. Since you presume to speak for God, I see no purpose in expending further effort trying to explain things.
on January 28,2014 | 01:28PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
What are these evil doers doing? thos. I don't speak for God. I quote his book.
on January 28,2014 | 05:16PM
TigerEye wrote:
See above for example of gratuitous fluff... and, throw in a shovelful of self-aggrandizement as well.
on January 28,2014 | 04:02PM
thos wrote:

Sincere thanks.

How lovely to have such a devoted fan.


on January 28,2014 | 04:41PM
Maipono wrote:
Reports are that the shots came from a police officer and not the perp. So this isn't a gun control issue, sorry.
on January 28,2014 | 09:12AM
Bdpapa wrote:
Yeah, imaginatioms gone wild! I'm not a gun guy but this has nothing to do with it.
on January 28,2014 | 11:22AM
BH1 wrote:
Lol Maipono. Lot of people here probably didn't even read the story. Lol. A kid was slashing a cops with a LARGE knife and IMHO was DESERVEDLY shot in the process. How thus turned into a gun control issue is beyond me. Lol.
on January 28,2014 | 03:25PM
laeboy wrote:
A lot of good the HRS rules that are in place now did in this case. Really this case and your cryptic attack on the second amendment only clarifies the fact the those that should not have or are not allowed to have firearms will get and have them anyway regardless of what the law says. Using this to abate the rights of law abiding firearms owners and diminish the second amendment is irresponsible and far reaching at best.
on January 28,2014 | 09:18AM
8082062424 wrote:
student was shot by a cop.
on January 28,2014 | 09:19AM
sooregonian wrote:
@whaole -- An armed and trained citizen can save lives in these and other situations. The 22 year old gunman in the Portland area mall shooting of 2012 was confronted (after shots were fired) by a concealed carry permit holder of the same age. We will never know for certain if this brave citizens actions resulted directly in saving more lives, but the next deadly bullet fired was self-inflicted.
on January 28,2014 | 09:27AM
thos wrote:

“can someone please tell me again why we don't need more gun controls?”

Then you admit you have ALREADY been told why, but apparently discounted or paid no attention to it.

In any event, what we need is a well trained, armed citizenry and a great deal less of the grotesque Hollyweird shoot em up fantasies.

If our schools had the ground based analog of armed sky marshals, shooters could quickly be found, fixed and subdued.

For this to happen all staff members - - principals, teachers, custodians, office staff - - would have to receive intense fire arms safety training including live fire range requalification every year.


on January 28,2014 | 09:39AM
eoe wrote:
That sounds realistic.
on January 28,2014 | 09:50AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Righties always complain about the DOE budget but some loony wants ALL DOE staff to carry? Go figure.
on January 28,2014 | 05:19PM
Skyler wrote:
You want to take guns away from the cops now? Lolohead.
on January 28,2014 | 09:46AM
eoe wrote:
If it were up to me I would disarm the police, yes. Amazingly the police are not armed in many countries, and they seem to do ok.
on January 28,2014 | 10:02AM
Grimbold wrote:
good idea disarm the police and let the sub-human criminals rule the country.
on January 28,2014 | 11:07AM
BigErn wrote:
eoe, move to one of those countries. Let me know how it all works out.
on January 28,2014 | 11:25AM
eoe wrote:
I would love to.
on January 28,2014 | 03:16PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
This is true, many European countries do not allow regular police patrol officers to carry a gun. They however have strict gun control laws that would be unconstitutional in the US.
on January 28,2014 | 06:31PM
toad103410 wrote:
The police were the shooters here and the attacker had a knife. Do we need more knife controls? BTW, I don't own a gun and hopefully never will. Left my gun using days in the military.
on January 28,2014 | 09:53AM
Bdpapa wrote:
Yup, and don't miss it do you!
on January 28,2014 | 11:23AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
toad, I loved guns before joining the Army. For 3 years in Viet Nam, I slept with my M16 rifle under my mattress. Like you, I left my gun using days there.
on January 28,2014 | 12:05PM
livinginhawaii wrote:
Did you not read the article? The boy had a knife and it was the cops who had the gun and they were defending themselves. Why in the world would you want to control guns used by cops?
on January 28,2014 | 10:11AM
lee1957 wrote:
You mean disarm HPD?
on January 28,2014 | 10:43AM
GorillaSmith wrote:
While the gun grabbers never miss a chance to push their anti-Constitunion agenda, is this even remotely such an opportunity? The only gun in play here was in the hands of an HPD officer. Is whaole proposing that we disarm the police?
on January 28,2014 | 11:54AM
Ronin006 wrote:
Honestly, whaole, what does this situation have to do with gun control? The firearm used to shoot the armed assailant was a pistol carried by a uniformed police officer. Are you suggesting police officers not carry fire arms?
on January 28,2014 | 02:04PM
mplatte wrote:
Another person who did NOT read the article. Who is the person with the gun? The student or the police? It might help if you actually read
on January 28,2014 | 02:44PM
Leewardboy wrote:
You're joking right? This situation involved a student with a knife. Assuming you're just being sarcastic. YMMV
on January 28,2014 | 03:56PM
hawaiikone wrote:
Honestly, who's taking about guns?
on January 28,2014 | 04:45PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
How would that have helped in this case? Cops were the only ones shooting.
on January 28,2014 | 06:14PM
markgwaikiki wrote:
Should have left the reporting to one of Roosevelts journalism students.
on January 28,2014 | 08:29AM
1R1E wrote:
ITS BREAKING NEWS, NOT THE OFFICIAL STORY LOLO
on January 28,2014 | 08:35AM
sohappy2beme wrote:
I'm not sure what kind of story you guys expect when it is breaking news. they are telling you as much as they know. Would you prefer no story until all the details are filled in?
on January 28,2014 | 08:41AM
atilter wrote:
maybe that would be better than to have a smattering of half-baked bits of info upon which one can only make any kind of wild assertion or assumption. this is the knd of reporting that can invite more problems for the investigation people and unruly crowds and spectators who could get hurt in an off-site incident. just leave it to the HPD to do their jobs. until the event is totally done, no one can make any public statements anyway. so why cause hassles where no can do nothing?
on January 28,2014 | 08:59AM
ellinaskyrt wrote:
Yes, no hometown newspaper website should report on a shooting in the community that's in progress or that's been recently committed. They must wait until absolutely all the facts--which could take days--until they report it.
on January 28,2014 | 09:12AM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
At least at first glance, it looks like their system worked. Everybody locked down in classrooms, messages sent out to parents, etc. Granted it won't make much difference to the person wounded, but hopefully this turns out to be more along the lines of stupidity (hey, check out my new gun), rather than something malicious.
on January 28,2014 | 09:04AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Maybe Faith King should just quit her job and hover over her son, to make sure he's safe.
on January 28,2014 | 09:13AM
sohappy2beme wrote:
There is a shooting at the school that her son attends, and her reaction is not justified?
on January 28,2014 | 09:28AM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Of course she should be concerned. Rushing to the school without facts, however, can be counter-productive.
on January 28,2014 | 10:28AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Downtow, that's exactly what I meant.
on January 28,2014 | 12:09PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
I assumed so. sohappy2beme apparently didn't see your point.
on January 28,2014 | 02:56PM
tutulois wrote:
It seems that we don't need terrorists to destroy us -- we're doing a fine job of it ourselves -- in schools, shopping malls, etc. all over the country.
on January 28,2014 | 09:13AM
Tahitigirl55 wrote:
This article doesn't make an sense. Who did the shotting? Was it the police or a gun student? I must be a Pre-K student for not to make any sense of this story.@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
on January 28,2014 | 09:23AM
Bdpapa wrote:
HPD shot the student, armed with a kitchen knife, who was having a scuffle with HPD.
on January 28,2014 | 11:25AM
babyb_19 wrote:
Per channel 9 news, police were sent to locate a runaway kid at the school. During the course of the arrest,one of the police officer was stabbed by the suspect. The partner then drew his service pistol and shot twice hitting the suspect once on the wrist.
on January 28,2014 | 09:26AM
808liz wrote:
TV is now reportiing that the police shot the boy as he was a runaway they were trying to apprehend & he took out a knife & was threatening the police???
on January 28,2014 | 09:31AM
primo1 wrote:
Kids nowadays...
on January 28,2014 | 09:38AM
Skyler wrote:
3 shots, one hit... do get back to the firing range, HPD.
on January 28,2014 | 09:45AM
eoe wrote:
This would be considered good shooting, something that all the "arm everyone" gun supporters would never acknowledge.
on January 28,2014 | 09:51AM
Kingbudd wrote:
In no military or police force is a 33% accuracy rate "good shooting". These types of situations need resolved by a swat team or other trained force, not untrained cops that only fire once or twice a year and haven't been to training since the police academy. A properly trained swat team studies each school and conducts quarterly "active shooter" type situations. Also, as a retired police officer, you don't shoot someone in the arm, hand, shoulder, or legs. YOU ALWAYS shoot center mass with the intent to render the subject incapable of continuing their intent. So based on this, the accuracy rate was actually zero.
on January 28,2014 | 10:24AM
Anonymous wrote:
I'm sorry, I think you're mistaking shooting to warn off or disarm/disable for shooting to kill.. So "accuracy" in this case is dependent on what the intent of the office was.. Most likely NOT "shoot to kill" which would be the basis for your "YOU ALWAYS shoot center mass".
on January 28,2014 | 11:10AM
Kingbudd wrote:
No you are mistaken. YOU NEVER SHOOT TO WARN! That is the dumbest thing you can say (based on that comment you NEVER served in the military or police force). All police officers are trained shoot to kill, and shoot center mass (not the head because it is too small to hit especially when moving). When shooting to warn you don't know where the bullet is going to go and it can easily hit bystanders or travel through walls.
on January 28,2014 | 11:20AM
dsl wrote:
why shoot at all? Let em go and get em later. Where's the taser? Hawaii cops have a way of blowing up the smallest situations...
on January 28,2014 | 11:43AM
Kingbudd wrote:
As a retired police officer I see your point. However, you have to understand some other factors. 1.) A big concern that all police face is a thing called suicide by cop. This is used as a way to commit suicide without doing it yourself. I have experienced this myself, a perp with a knife chased me around my cruiser over and over. I ran until backup arrived and they tackled the suspect. In this situation you can usually tell what the motive of the individual is. 2.) Depending on size of the individual and the space of the area less than lethal methods may not be effective. You need time to react to a taser, it is not always effective immediately. Secondly using an asp/baton in a confined space is even worse, you can't fully swing without hitting the other officers. 3.) A knife can actually be one of the deadliest weapons that a police officer faces. You need 25 feet between you and the perp (this is the safety zone/buffer area) that allows an officer the time to draw his weapon and fire. Anything closer than that will result in the officer being stabbed. Seriously try to draw a weapon and have a stop watch, you need 3-5 seconds to draw and aim.
on January 28,2014 | 11:53AM
primo1 wrote:
Let an armed suspect loose into the public? I don't think so...
on January 28,2014 | 12:02PM
peum wrote:
Too bad they didn't kill him. Punk.
on January 28,2014 | 01:00PM
Bdpapa wrote:
Kingbudd: Thanks good info.
on January 28,2014 | 03:29PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
That's it, the cops approached to take him into custody, this kid was trying to keep them away from him by threatening and slashing with a knife ,could they have stepped back and tried to talk him down, or taser him if necessary? Shooting should have been a last resort , 2 other shots went somewhere, the cop is lucky no one else was shot by accident too. What would he be saying now if that were the case? Everyone would be questioning his judgment.
on January 28,2014 | 06:42PM
thos wrote:

You make a convincing case, Kingbudd.

Any one who attacks a police officer - - regardless of motive - - presents a special danger to the public and must be subdued as soon as possible.

We civilians must give the benefit of any doubt to the officer on scene. In just a few seconds he or she can be called upon to make life and death decisions at considerable personal risk.

If that decision is to shoot for center mass as a matter of public safety, then there is probably a good reason for it and, not being there ourselves, we should respect that decision unless or until other facts surface that would call the decision into question which I guess would involve Internal Affairs.


on January 28,2014 | 01:39PM
memo wrote:
As a retired big city ( Chicago) Police Officed, I can not understand what I'm reading. This P.O. did what was right. If you are confronted with a deadly force situtation. The officer decided deadly force is required, YOU SHOOT TO TAKE OUT THE THREAT. and to the one's suggesting the offender be disarmed! untill U try to take a knife away from someone. Don't ever thing its possible. And before U make comment. YES I HAVE SHOT SOMEONE . Didn't want to but he shot my partner. RETIRED COP .
on January 28,2014 | 04:22PM
primo1 wrote:
Warning shots are only fired in the entertainment media.
on January 28,2014 | 11:38AM
dsl wrote:
I wasn't there and neither were you but the cops were called to pick the kid up for staying at his friends house not for terroristic thereatening, not for armed robbery, not for murder or attempted murder. The cops didn't even know he had a knife until they got there. The point is, he woulda just left and gone into hiding. Maybe if they just left the room the kid would have just holed up there and then they could have negotiated a way out. Shooting in a school and missing a couple of times has the potential killing other students. There had to be a better way. Just saying...
on January 28,2014 | 12:32PM
Anonymous wrote:
OMG. 20/20 hindsight is wonderful, isn't it?
on January 28,2014 | 12:48PM
primo1 wrote:
I don't think "leaving the room" was an option once the kid stabbed an officer. Someone commented (correctly) above that any individual who is reckless enough to attack a police officer represents an increased threat to the general public.
on January 28,2014 | 02:37PM
mrluke wrote:
So - After he pulls a knife you just "leave the room? Did you read the story? They were called to the counselor's office to pick the kid up. But, in your opinion, if he posed a threat, you'd just leave the room and let him become a menace to whomever he came across after that.
on January 28,2014 | 03:09PM
steven_mark wrote:
Kingbudd, Skyler, It seems obvious that there was a scrap of some sort going on, with several people involved, in a very fluid situation. People were moving around and not in fixed positions. It might be rather difficult to hit someone dead center in a situation like that, as easy as you make it sound. After all, Christopher Deedy, a federal agent, required three shots to stop a guy in close quarters. Also, I think it's ridiculous to get into accuracy rates. A firing range is a closely controlled situation, not at all like being out in the field in open conflict. While we all like the sniper-like efficiency of a "Shooter," common sense suggests that the majority of gunshots fired in a military or police action miss their intended targets. Otherwise, every war would be over after maybe few thousand shots were fired. The fact that only the alleged perpetrator was hit is a good thing. The fact that no innocent bystander and no police officer was hit is a good thing. It appears that no property, not even a passing car or a nearby building, was damaged. We should appreciate the relative lack of collateral damage and let it go at that.
on January 28,2014 | 03:24PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Sue job for sure.
on January 28,2014 | 10:05AM
primo1 wrote:
Yeah, the officer should sue the kid's parents...
on January 28,2014 | 10:21AM
Copperroof57 wrote:
Wow HPD. Way to escalate the situation.
on January 28,2014 | 10:08AM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
Not even waiting till the report comes out I see.
on January 28,2014 | 10:20AM
Bdpapa wrote:
Too many people already blasting the police. I'd hate to be in that same situation. Thank You HPD, no one was critically injured.
on January 28,2014 | 11:29AM
dsl wrote:
Woulda been from a stray bullet - definitely not a stray kinfe!
on January 28,2014 | 11:44AM
primo1 wrote:
Officer was injured by the "stray knife".
on January 28,2014 | 12:14PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
I hope his parents are glad they visiting him @ the hospital, not the morgue.
on January 28,2014 | 12:17PM
primo1 wrote:
Situation escalated when the kid pulled the knife and stabbed the officer.
on January 28,2014 | 10:20AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Copper, words to chew on.
on January 28,2014 | 01:17PM
toad103410 wrote:
Hawaii has made national news for the wrong reasons. IMO because of hasty and unconfirmed reporting by the local press which the national media picked up on and reported. Must be an otherwise slow news day.
on January 28,2014 | 10:18AM
RandolphW wrote:
This was a valuable lesson for the kid who pulled the knife. He is fortunate the one's he pulled the knife on were policemen. Perhaps the kid will think twice before he does something stupid like this again.
on January 28,2014 | 10:20AM
rnamiki wrote:
Officers should have gone for center mass, end of story.
on January 28,2014 | 10:22AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Maybe they tried - but missed!
on January 28,2014 | 10:31AM
primo1 wrote:
I thought all law enforcement personnel are trained to aim for center mass.
on January 28,2014 | 10:37AM
Kingbudd wrote:
They are, it was just a cop with horrible aim.
on January 28,2014 | 11:34AM
Waterman2 wrote:
A gun at a knife fight ? Kinda stupid to pull a knife on a cop, but this kid musta been pretty hard core to justify the cop shooting him......wonder how the other cops feel about this, had to be pretty close quarters.
on January 28,2014 | 10:29AM
Skyler wrote:
It was in an office, and the 'kid' was 17. Don't know about you, but I've seen some mighty big 17 yr. olds here. Plus he was angry, started slashing & stabbed an officer with a knife. He's lucky he's alive.
on January 28,2014 | 08:16PM
sailfish1 wrote:
3 HPD officers and one student with a knife and the officers had to shoot TWO TIMES?? Can't 3 officers disarm a student with a knife without shooting their guns?? Was this student 10 feet tall and 500 lbs and the knife was a sword?? Do HPD officers have any training with hand to hand combat or use of a taser gun or are HPD officers too short and skinny to deal with a student? Better start getting competent people as officers.
on January 28,2014 | 10:41AM
primo1 wrote:
Not all police officers carry tasers. If the suspect is armed, I don't think protocol is to engage in hand to hand. Better stop watching Five-0.
on January 28,2014 | 11:03AM
sailfish1 wrote:
Why not? Don't they also carry nightsticks (which are bigger than a kitchen knife).?
on January 28,2014 | 08:10PM
Popo3620 wrote:
Nightsticks.????? Dude they haven't carried those in 15-20 years. I'll take a hit with a nightstick rather than a kitchen knife in the chest. Unreal
on January 28,2014 | 11:04PM
LKK56 wrote:
The student with a knife attacked the three police officers. A student attacking three police officers must have been high on some kind of drug - why else would there be three officers to pick up one student. I heard addicts on "ice" can be extremely violent and uncontrollable. I am sure shooting the student was the last resort. This is the type of students/people public servants like police officers and school employees have to deal with everyday.
on January 28,2014 | 11:31AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
sailfish, hand to hand combat with the perp using a knife. That's rich. Okay, you go first, then we'll circle him. When he tries to stab you, we'll jump him from behind. Watching too many movies, like winging him or shooting the knife outa his hand.
on January 28,2014 | 12:21PM
sailfish1 wrote:
They also have nightsticks don't they? Come on, just because three of YOU cannot subdue a kid with a knife with a nightstick, I expect 3 police officers with their training and conditioning to be able to do it.
on January 28,2014 | 08:09PM
Popo3620 wrote:
You need some reality.
on January 28,2014 | 11:06PM
Popo3620 wrote:
Stupid comment . Disarm him , hand to hand combat, dude too much movies. Do some research before you pot. Google 21 foot rule. Etc.
on January 28,2014 | 11:02PM
publicuser wrote:
Lucky he survived and and only got shot on the arm. Most times, if you attack HPD, it's pau hana.
on January 28,2014 | 10:45AM
lokela wrote:
These kids are pretty much big like adults at 17 years old. Constantly running away is a clue to his homelife. He needs help.
on January 28,2014 | 11:05AM
cojef wrote:
Ah, the most coherent comment read so far. Here we have a problem youth and most posters are ranting about gun control issues, effectiveness of the HPD in subduing this youth or put him out of his misery. We should be focusing on how this incident could have been prevented from occurring. Details only indicated he had problems with running away from home and the police were to bring this wayward youth in. As the incident unfolded, unfortunately he was armed with a kitchen knife and a scuffle ensued wherein shots were fired injuring this 17 year old. Give him a break, could be he has a terrible family life at home? We don't know? That's the issue, as lokela indicate, "He needs help".
on January 28,2014 | 02:55PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I wonder if Hawaii will outcry for the shooting of this innocent person and put the three Officers on trial like Deedy. I suspect that since they're local police there will be much less whining about their actions.
on January 28,2014 | 11:18AM
Kingbudd wrote:
Watch his parents will be on the news tonight saying he had problems but he was a "good kid". It never fails, no matter how many times you get arrested or how much drugs you do, parents in Hawaii have the conception that it's not their kids fault, but the police and everyone else's fault when something like this happens. But he was a good kid!
on January 28,2014 | 11:32AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Kailua, dumb or sarcastic statement. I'll never know.
on January 28,2014 | 01:15PM
lookup wrote:
ah come on...this is not even close to what happen with Deedy! the officers where being attacked by someone with a knife. dont try bringing up spilt milk.
on January 28,2014 | 01:18PM
thos wrote:

Deedy was a drunk punk with a chip on his shoulder, looking for a fight.

He was unprofessional enough - - perhaps reflecting the low standards of Hillary’s State Department in qualifying DSS agents - - and stupid enough to bring his government issued fire arm into a drinking establishment and then, with whatever fragment of “judgment” he has impaired, gunned down an UN ARMED CIVILIAN in cold blood.


on January 28,2014 | 03:19PM
WKAMA wrote:
I think the officers showed great constraint. Here in LA if a person has anything in his hands and approaching an officer they'll kill him, not wound him. They don't like to get their hands dirty. A guy just got shot the other day when he turned around. The cops said they saw something shiny... turns out it was a cell phone which every one carries now days.
on January 28,2014 | 11:30AM
KalikoBoy wrote:
Glad that the student was not killed. Also glad that the two officers are okay and the counselor and aide were not hurt. Praying for that young student and his family for the days ahead and for him to get the necessary help he needs.
on January 28,2014 | 11:31AM
rayhawaii wrote:
Someone who knows how to use a knife can stab a person 10 times in 10 seconds especially when the adrenalin is pumping. Always shoot first if trained to use a gun. Don't take a chance.
on January 28,2014 | 11:52AM
ka_iwa wrote:
Let's wait for the official report as to what happened! Everyone who posted here just needs to get a grip and chill out !
on January 28,2014 | 12:17PM
mike2700 wrote:
Obviously it was a case of mistaken identity. The 17 was probably running from the Home Ec class because he didn’t know how to make a soufflé. He forgot he had the knife in his hands and someone called the police. This will all be cleared up later today when the Home Ec teacher talks to the police. Much ado about nothing…
on January 28,2014 | 12:19PM
thefoolonthehill wrote:
Say again....what's the price of rice?.
on January 28,2014 | 12:42PM
Kapuna wrote:
What is wrong with HPD officers!! With three cops welding two foot batons should be enough to submit a child. There is no call to shoot them several times as the bullets could have hit innocent bystanders. THe unnecessary shootings resulted the lost of education for many student unnecessarily.
on January 28,2014 | 12:49PM
primo1 wrote:
Please see kailua1980's comment below.
on January 28,2014 | 02:18PM
thos wrote:

A knife wielding male high school student so deranged as to attack a police officer may be described in many ways, but “child” is not one of them.

Any one who attacks a police officer - - regardless of motive - - presents a special danger to the public at large and must be subdued as soon as possible with the means at hand.

We civilians must give the benefit of any doubt to the officer on scene. In just a few seconds he or she can be called upon to make life and death decisions under fast moving conditions of considerable personal risk in order to protect US, the general public.

It is unseemly NOT to show gratitude for the men and women who put themselves on the line, round the clock to see that we are afforded safe living conditions.


on January 28,2014 | 02:42PM
kailua1980 wrote:
Goodness! For all of you who have commented without knowing some important FACTS, please search "knife inside of 21 feet" and read some of what pops up. Research the "Tueller Drill" and learn an important bit of information: a bad guy with a knife within 7 yards (21 feet) of you is going to get to you before you can get your gun out or otherwise defend yourself. You will very likely be seriously injured or killed. From what we know at this time, many lives may have been saved by this shooting.
on January 28,2014 | 12:56PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Do you think this kid was trying to keep the cops away from him or trying to actually kill one of them? The cops approached him, they could have backed off when the knife appeared, they chose to engage anyway and when one got cut, the other cop started shooting. Had they not engaged him, they would have had more options such as a taser or talking him down. Once they physically engaged with him, the only option left was to shoot.
on January 28,2014 | 06:56PM
Popo3620 wrote:
Hey police please leave he getting mad. Duhhhhhh.
on January 28,2014 | 11:08PM
gobows wrote:
the WILD has come to the town side, auwe!
on January 28,2014 | 02:33PM
sailfish1 wrote:
3 officers against a 17 year old kid and the officers had to shoot the kid? They couldn't just grab the kid and cuff him? Maybe HPD needs to re-evaluate the quality of their officers.
on January 28,2014 | 03:11PM
SteveToo wrote:
A bit of over reaction by the DOE. After the police left w/the runaway there was no reason to continue the lock-out and send the students home.
on January 28,2014 | 04:22PM
soundofreason wrote:
They did cause they COULD get away with it. Excuse.
on January 28,2014 | 06:32PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
It's not everyday that cops come to school and shoot a runaway trying to get away from them.
on January 28,2014 | 06:57PM
SteveToo wrote:
So what happened to my comment???? I said they are teaching WRONG in Nevada, and if in Hawaii also WRONG. I was a teacher here and have had many days when cops came and hauled off one or more students. No need to close the school. Kids need education not more free time.
on January 28,2014 | 07:13PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
Before all you crazed union-loving liberals start bashing the cops, realize that this young punk could have stabbed your child in his own school. Should have aimed little bit to the left is what I say!
on January 28,2014 | 08:05PM
Blueskies wrote:
If the runaway is shown to have mental health issues, he should be kept in a mental hospital for a minimum of ten years, not released when he turns 18. The public needs to be protected from this individual.
on January 28,2014 | 08:57PM
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