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Attorney for boy shot at Roosevelt wants him treated on mainland

By Gregg K. Kakesako

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LAST UPDATED: 04:36 p.m. HST, Jan 31, 2014


The attorney for the 17-year-old boy who was shot in the wrist during a confrontation with police at Roosevelt High School this week said he needs to be housed and treated in a secure mental health facility on the mainland because there are no appropriate facilities in the islands.

Eric Seitz said he plans to meet with representatives of the prosecutor's office, health department and state Department of Education to find a suitable mainland treatment facility that is secure and locked 24 hours. The facility, he said, also needs to provide services and programs for children who have psychiatric, mental health needs, which in this case are complicated by substance abuse.

No such facility exists in the state, Seitz said.

Kahi Mohala in Ewa Beach and the Queen's Family Treatment Center, Seitz said, are "crisis-oriented programs where kids can go to be stabilized.

"But once they are stabilized then they should go to an appropriate program and we don't have any. You can't stabilize the kid and then kick him out and say we know you are going to be back here because your underlining problems have not been treated," Seitz said.

The teen's mother, Shereen Narvaes, said her son has been diagnosed under a broad spectrum of psychiatric illnesses that includes schizophrenia, and that for the last year she has been trying to get him treatment.

About two weeks ago, Narvaes said, her son had been awaiting a psychiatric review to determine fitness to stand trial for misdemeanor charges when he escaped from the Queen's Medical Center, where he had been admitted by court order. He later also escaped from a facility operated by Hale Kipa, a social service agency serving at-risk/high-risk youth.

The teenager went to Roosevelt Tuesday to try to register for classes.

School officials called police to take him into custody, aware of his background and that he had been reported as a runaway after he had fled several treatment facilities.  

Roosevelt Principial Jeanette Uyeda said "his mother had called us to let us know he was a runaway."

When he saw police officers at a school counselor's office, he allegedly became "combative" and lunged at them with a kitchen knife, inflicting minor injuries. One of the officers, a 10-year-veteran, fired two shots. One struck the boy on the wrist.

The boy was taken to Queen's for surgery and will be transferred to its psychiatric unit, pending the outcome of Seitz efforts.

Seitz said because he is a minor the case was referred to the Family Court, where all proceedings are confidential. The teenager was arrested on suspicion of three counts of first-degree attempted murder.

Seitz said he would fight any attempt to move the case out of Family Court and allow his client to be tried as an adult.

There are still failures in the system, even 20 years after the federal Felix consent decree intended to correct inadequacies, he said.

"The kid has been in and out of facilities here for over the past year," said Seitz, the attorney representing Jennifer Felix who filed the original class-action lawsuit in 1993.

"The standard response from the DOH (Department of Health) and DOE (Department of Education) is that we are not going to send kids to the mainland until we force them to do it," Seitz said.

"Why is it after 20 years and spending billions of dollars the state has not created and maintained that which they agreed to under the Felix consent decree is beyond me?" 






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Nalukai wrote:
My nephew in LasVegas, Nevada had undergone simular circumstances, drugs violent behavior and so on. He was sent to a specialized treatment center in Utah by the State of Nevada, and is now doing well. God, I hope and pray this works because the trauma and hurt on the family is tremendous. I would hope that Hawaii gets it's act together and this young man can get the proper treatment and go on to a prosperous life. C'mon Hawaii, get on board and do the right thing for these at risk kids!
on January 31,2014 | 11:35AM
aomohoa wrote:
It's shameful that there is not a proper facility here.
on January 31,2014 | 02:58PM
wn wrote:
Agreed, however being in a "State" of denial won't provide any solution to problems that affect not only the youth but those who wander amongst the general population. I hope our Legislature will take this on and have a facility / process in place to provide services by proper care givers for those who need care. Or per Nalukai, we have them move to a facility that can handle same. For those who take a hard stand against treatment...you have to experience as situation such as this to understand how difficult it is.
on January 31,2014 | 04:33PM
gsc wrote:
Who's going to pay for this ? Where is his parents ? What kind of up bringing did he have ? Why bring a child into this world and then DUMP him on the taxpayers of this state.
on January 31,2014 | 11:42AM
palolo2001 wrote:
The mom looks like she is on drugs too.
on January 31,2014 | 11:53AM
joseph007 wrote:
gsc and palolo2001 sound like real bozo's. Mental disease is real. The mom is understandably distraught and upset. These 2 obviously have no children and were probably born and raised in a zoo.
on February 1,2014 | 08:17AM
Nalukai wrote:
What a lame, unsympathetic piece of inhumanity gsc. We don't know all the details, but children and kids all have real issues that they need obvious help, gee if our city can spend 5 billion dollars on this rail project I am sure they can find a few dollars for at risk youth. It's all a matter of priorities and it is clear that gsc and some other posters comments here only care for themselves.
on January 31,2014 | 01:51PM
beachbum11 wrote:
Hold on to your wallets.
on January 31,2014 | 04:44PM
sailfish1 wrote:
If it was a "few dollars" I don't see a problem. However, please tell us what a "few dollars" is before government pays for it.
on January 31,2014 | 04:54PM
ippikiokami wrote:
First of all, there is no guarantee that a mainland facility will cure his issues. Secondly, this young man, a runaway, went to his school, approx. 1,400 student body, while concealing a kitchen knife. What was his intent that day? When confronted by 3 HPD officers, he punches 2 and lunged at the 3rd with the knife. Maybe treatment is too late, and he should be tried as an adult in court.
on January 31,2014 | 02:06PM
aomohoa wrote:
Thank god he didn't hurt anyone but he is mentally ill. Why don't you wait and get all the facts.
on January 31,2014 | 03:03PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
ippiki, ahh, he had a knife true, was truly trying to register himself, sat in the counselors office, confided in the counselor, do you think maybe he was trying to do the right thing? The cops are called by a betraying counselor, he is surrounded by the cops. Remember the last time he saw them, a taser gun was used on him. Why would a bonified " runaway " register for school?
on January 31,2014 | 03:41PM
BH1 wrote:
Why would a "bonified runaway" try to register for school carrying a concealed, large kitchen knife? The counselor did not "betray" him. They were forewarned by his own mom that he was a runaway. The mom called the school so they knew to report him if he came in. That's exactly what the admin did. There was no betrayal. He is mentally ill, a sane kid who was truly trying to better himself by registering for school would not have carried a knife and did what he did.
on January 31,2014 | 06:25PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
BH, as a runaway on these dangerous streets, and a schizo, wouldnt you have protection?
on January 31,2014 | 10:31PM
beachbum11 wrote:
I agree
on January 31,2014 | 04:45PM
aomohoa wrote:
Unless you have someone in the family that is mentally ill, maybe you should keep your ridiculous opinion to yourself!
on January 31,2014 | 03:00PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Wow,I'm agreeing to aomohoa! Mental illness is a disease. Would we chastise a teen with leukemia ?
on January 31,2014 | 03:44PM
aomohoa wrote:
And the sky didn't fall. LOL
on January 31,2014 | 06:05PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Does mental illness run amok in your family?
on January 31,2014 | 04:56PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Gsc always with the " whose gong to pay for it"? Surely a senior citizen blogger that pays minimal taxes, maybe $100 a year, does not have any skin in the game.
on January 31,2014 | 03:35PM
Holomua wrote:
Somehow, I get suspicious when Eric Seitz is involved in a case. It could mean that there's an ulterior motive of some sort here.
on January 31,2014 | 11:46AM
niceynicey wrote:
Yep. And although I don't know the intricacies of the Felix Consent Decree, how does this case fit into that? It seems more of a mental health issue than an educational one.
on January 31,2014 | 12:02PM
MKN wrote:
@Holomua: Yah there is. Basically Eric Seitz wants more money and notoriety. That's why he gets involved in cases like this since he knows he can sue the state for millions.
on January 31,2014 | 12:35PM
mayihavesumor wrote:
A family member was confined to Kahi Mohala by Hawaii Court System. Was locked down and couldn't leave for 48 hours. Resentment turned into deep gratitude as staff was caring and professional. Seems like they are just the facility that is needed.
on January 31,2014 | 11:47AM
kaiakea wrote:
Seitz is absolutely correct. Hawaii still does not have its act together for meeting the needs of students with mental health needs. There is poor if any case management and care coordination because dedicated professionals have not bee adequately trained or supported. Seitz, we need another class action and soon. Can you and Shelby take it on again?
on January 31,2014 | 12:01PM
tutulois wrote:
So sad -- and so typical that the state has yet to provide such a facility here, despite a court order.
on January 31,2014 | 12:04PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
Attorney?? Lol. An azzwhooping is what he needs.
on January 31,2014 | 12:05PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Hajaa, for some with mental health issues, they have no pain or fear, azzwhooping would be switched around and you may end up on the floor with the whooping.
on January 31,2014 | 03:50PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
LOL obviously you take things too literally. You must be from Nanakuli - take no accountability, and blame others for not getting ahead. Doesn't surprise me though. Typical. Union member, are you? That's what I thought.
on January 31,2014 | 11:47PM
PokeStop wrote:
Eric Seitz is absolutely correct in his assessment of this young child's well being. Kahe Mohala, Hale Kipa, Benson, Queen's Medical, are only temporary fixes to the situation. State of Hawaii, Dept. of Health, DOE, need to get their act together and come up with a better treatment for these young individuals. It's not something they've chose to do, it's a mental health issue which requires professional treatment. Poor guy has NOS, which stands for no obvious symptoms. This is different then being diagnosed with schizophrenia, paranoia, etc. Don't blame his mother as the poor lady has tried to have her son treated in the past. As for GSC's comment about dumping on the taxpayers, what a lame comment that is. She didn't bring this unwanted kid into society! It's only going to get worse, so the state needs to fix the problem now.
on January 31,2014 | 12:06PM
MKN wrote:
@PokeStop: The state can't be relied upon to provide facilities like this. It's stuff like this where private industry is supposed to come in since there's an obvious need for that type of treatment facility here in Hawaii.
on January 31,2014 | 12:38PM
TheFarm wrote:
Agreed!
on January 31,2014 | 01:19PM
Nalukai wrote:
I agree 100%
on January 31,2014 | 01:52PM
Ronin006 wrote:
We need to stop referring to this young man as a child or a kid and to stop treating him that way. He is 17 years old. That is old enough to become a member of the US armed forces with parental consent. Many young men his age served in combat with the US armed forces in World War II, Korea, Vietnam and other conflicts and many gave their lives in doing so. The young man involved obviously has some problems, some of which appear to be self inflicted by drug abuse. Deal with them but treat him like the young man he is instead like a helpless little boy.
on January 31,2014 | 04:54PM
Ronin006 wrote:
We need to stop referring to this young man as a child or a kid and to stop treating him that way. He is 17 years old. That is old enough to become a member of the US armed forces with parental consent. Many young men his age served in combat with the US armed forces in World War II, Korea, Vietnam and other conflicts and many gave their lives in doing so. The young man involved obviously has some problems, some of which appear to be self inflicted by drug abuse. Deal with them but treat him like the young man he is instead like a helpless little boy.
on January 31,2014 | 05:01PM
scooters wrote:
Okay, but NOT at our tax payer monies..His MOM needs to foot the bill. NOT our problem!
on January 31,2014 | 12:25PM
thatsmyname wrote:
agreed
on January 31,2014 | 12:45PM
Nalukai wrote:
What a lame, unsympathetic piece of inhumanity scooters. We don't know all the details, but children and kids all have real issues that they need obvious help, gee if our city can spend 5 billion dollars on this rail project I am sure they can find a few dollars for at risk youth. It's all a matter of priorities and it is clear that gsc and some other posters comments here only care for themselves.
on January 31,2014 | 01:53PM
cojef wrote:
Other media source indicted that the mother is a single mom with 2 other children so it is likely impossible for her to pay for the proposed treatment.
on January 31,2014 | 02:08PM
cojef wrote:
Do not believe his mother can foot the bill with 3 children. She is single mom and could be receiving assistance?
on January 31,2014 | 02:15PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
cojef, it will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to have this teen treated on the Mainland. When he turns 18, the State will no longer pay for him as a child. Mom definitely cannot to treat him.
on January 31,2014 | 04:17PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Nalukai - if it's only a "few dollars" why don't you pay for it?
on January 31,2014 | 05:00PM
Nalukai wrote:
I've been paying Hawaii State taxes for over 35 years and never had children in public school system here. I am also a 100% certified disabled vet and paid my dues for our country. I think I have some skin in the game to make a few comments, what comes around goes around, and I have only sympathy for all you self-centered, selfish posters that persist on denying the children of Hawaii the proper care they need. Also, insisting that the mother and I pay for it just shows your immaturity, I really hope you folks can get the help you need too....ohhh, sorry who is gonna pay for that ??
on January 31,2014 | 09:37PM
scooters wrote:
Your's or anyone else's medical problems is not mine or the tax payers of this state. I have to pay my own medical bills and so should his mother pay for his. Again : it's not my problem...
on January 31,2014 | 06:58PM
kaiakea wrote:
Actually, it is our problem because the young who are not helped in school end up costing the taxpayer incredible amounts when they need to be incarcerated and go on welfare because they do not have the skills to make it on their own. And it is our problem because this is a civil rights issue in which each individual is to be afforded an equal opportunity to succeed. 20 years ago his state was found guilty of violating the civil rights of the entire sped population. Because of a lack of funding, training, and will, the state is going to be found guilty of the same thing again real soon. If you are worried about your taxpayer monies, then call your elected representatives and pressure them to do something about Special Ed before the fed steps in and does it for us. And that will cost many more millions than if we did it ourselves.
on January 31,2014 | 03:38PM
aomohoa wrote:
Good comment. It does cost $200,000 approx a year to incarcerate someone. Maybe if kids got the help they need when they are kids, especially if they have mental illness they wouldn't end up a burden on society for the rest of their lives.
on January 31,2014 | 06:09PM
ka_iwa wrote:
I do believe that the state does need to have the proper facilities to provide mental heath services to at risk youth, but how? The state run adult facility in Kaneohe is in all kinds of trouble! From management down to staff mistreatment and abuse from clients! Easy to talk,.... hard to foot the bill! And yes.......the mother needs to be held accountable too? She is not telling the whole story!
on January 31,2014 | 12:37PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The State Hospital is the result of inadequate intervention when these patients were children and teens. In any case these children are housed at Halawa or Kaneohe when becoming adults. Keep kicking the can, the bigger the bill.
on January 31,2014 | 03:55PM
aomohoa wrote:
I hate it when I agree with you. LOL Seriously this is not a laughing matter. I don't feel bad for people that take advantage of the system and take what they don't deserve but I do think we have an obligation to help those who can't help themselves , especially the mentally ill.
on January 31,2014 | 06:19PM
islandsun wrote:
This was expected after hearing the mom whine about her problem child's situation.
on January 31,2014 | 01:24PM
aomohoa wrote:
Have you ever had a problem child that you have no clue how to help and feel helpless?
on January 31,2014 | 06:20PM
Locokane wrote:
The Felix Consent Decree was the result of Eric Seitz's litigation against the State for not properly educating Special-Needs students. As a result, the BOE is spending an average of over $25,000/year to educate each of them vice $10,000/year each for the rest of Hawaii's public education students. Besides, we also send Special-Needs students to the mainland at a cost of over $180,000 and a significant number to private schools in Hawaii at over $6 million. Yes, Eric Seitz would like us to spend more taxpayers money to sent this teen to the mainland for treatment. I think Eric Seitz needs to spend some time in the classrooms of public schools to see how much he has helped the rest of the public school students progress since the Felix Consent Decree and why we wonder why we have a poor college graduation rate. I wish Eric Seitz was a advocate for normal kids getting an education, but then there isn't any money to be made off this since the DOE is paying millions of dollars fighting on-going special-needs litigations.
on January 31,2014 | 01:25PM
kaiakea wrote:
When the needs of special education students are met, then the entire school benefits. They will act out less, be less angry, and the regular classroom teacher will not have to spend as much time on them, instead concentrating more on reg ed students.
on January 31,2014 | 03:45PM
nitpikker wrote:
how is it the aclu isn't after that mainland facility thats secure and locked 24 hours? patients have the right to come and go as they please, according to them.
on January 31,2014 | 01:42PM
HanabataDays wrote:
You're supposed to stop with picking 'em and not progress to eating 'em. This is your brain on ukus.
on January 31,2014 | 02:13PM
HanamauluBoy wrote:
In some cases, a 17 year old can be charged as an adult. This lawyer will claim insanity so they can beat the murder charges.
on January 31,2014 | 01:55PM
50skane wrote:
Funny how attorneys who normally wouldn't give you the time of day change and act as if they are your best friend and you protector when the see "ka-ching!"
on January 31,2014 | 02:15PM
aomohoa wrote:
Why was he going to the school by himself to register? That is very strange.
on January 31,2014 | 02:57PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
aomo, he went to school by himself because he was truly trying to do the right thing. He was looking for trust and structure.
on January 31,2014 | 04:01PM
sailfish1 wrote:
So what's with the knife he was carrying?
on January 31,2014 | 04:58PM
sailfish1 wrote:
With a knife?
on January 31,2014 | 05:04PM
aomohoa wrote:
I agree that it was good in theory, but maybe his mom should have been with him, in case he became overwhelmed like he evidently did.
on January 31,2014 | 06:22PM
BH1 wrote:
Perhaps he did go there with good intention. But the fact that he felt he needed to carry a large kitchen knife shows his mental instability. On the flip side, You need to acknowledge that perhaps this kid had the intelligence to know that he would be confronted at school when he tried to register, cause his mom told him she reported him as a runaway, so he went there knowingly packing in anticipation of a confrontation. Maybe he wanted to commit suicide by cop. Both scenarios are plausible except for the fact that carrying a large knife indicates either mental illness or plain violent tendencies.
on January 31,2014 | 06:35PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
Your first or second son? LOL
on January 31,2014 | 11:48PM
oahuresident wrote:
Do we need to wait until he actually kills someone before we commit him to the State Hospital at Kaneohe? He is violent and an obvious danger to society. He may need treatment, but he needs to be put away before he seriously hurts or kills someone.
on January 31,2014 | 03:36PM
aomohoa wrote:
I agree in a way but that is not the best place for him.
on January 31,2014 | 06:24PM
oahuresident wrote:
That is the only place for him. Either that or prison. We nearly had a policeman killed and possibly other students.
on January 31,2014 | 09:58PM
sukebesan wrote:
Just make sure that his parents pay all costs, including air fare and ground transportation, for his care and upkeep at such a mainland, private/y-owned treatment facility, and not the State of Hawaii. A drug-crazed punk at 17 years of age will always remain a drug-crazed punk even at age 27, 37, ,47, 57, etc.
on January 31,2014 | 04:05PM
aomohoa wrote:
You are a very black and white person that maybe should be a little more understanding. You should thank God every day if you don't have a child with problems and mental illness.
on January 31,2014 | 06:27PM
First-Responder wrote:
And why is that our problem? Go to jail THEN go to the mainland at your own expense. Problems solved.
on January 31,2014 | 04:26PM
aomohoa wrote:
I'm not sure your name fits your attitude.
on January 31,2014 | 06:28PM
Ronin006 wrote:
We need to stop referring to this young man as a child or a kid and to stop treating him that way. He is 17 years old. That is old enough to become a member of the US armed forces with parental consent. Many young men his age served in combat with the US armed forces in World War II, Korea, Vietnam and other conflicts and many gave their lives in doing so. The young man involved obviously has some problems, some of which appear to be self inflicted by drug abuse. Deal with them but treat him like the young man he is instead like a helpless little boy.
on January 31,2014 | 04:53PM
rudedog wrote:
This is another reason why the governor's declaration that the state is enjoying a budget surplus is such a joke when so many vital services are either absent or critically underfunded. The monies spent on rail alone could fund some of these necessary programs.
on February 1,2014 | 09:22AM
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