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Caldwell proposes $10 monthly garbage pickup fee

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 05:29 p.m. HST, Feb 12, 2014


Mayor Kirk Caldwell's administration is proposing that Oahu residents be charged $10 a month for garbage pickup, a service that historically has been free.

A bill calling for the charge was submitted to the City Council Wednesday afternoon.

It costs the city more than $50 a month to pick up trash from each location every month, the administration said in a release Wednesday afternoon.

The $10 fee, which would begin next January, would only apply to those currently getting city pick-up, not those who pay for private haulers.

One of the reasons for the proposal is to clear up "discrepancies between various groups on Oahu," a press release said. "For example, some nonprofits pay fees for trash pickup while others do not. Businesses in locations that require special equipment pay for the service while others do not. The proposed city fee will serve to clean up the discrepancies."

The release noted that the City and County of Honolulu is the only one of the four counties that does not charge a fee for refuse service pickup.

Kauai County residents pay $12 a month while Maui County residents pay $18. Hawaii County does not offer public trash pickup.

On Oahu, residents get regular refuse picked up once a week, and either yard waste or recyclable material pickup a second day.







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gth wrote:
Where does our property taxes go to? $50/per pick up. Somebody hire another accountant....something is fishy or is it "messey transit".
on February 12,2014 | 04:11PM
OldDiver wrote:
The cost of everything is going up. . Honolulu like most cities since the George Bush recession have cut services and are running bare bones operations. The alternative to creating a fee is garbage pickup every other week.
on February 12,2014 | 04:23PM
bumba wrote:
But OUR city is spending BILLIONS on a rail system that nobody's going to ride. Bend over, all of you who voted for Caldwell, because this one' going in DEEP.
on February 12,2014 | 04:47PM
lwandcah wrote:
Just the tip of the ice berg. Wait till it's done and we have to pay to operate and maintain it.
on February 12,2014 | 05:22PM
OldDiver wrote:
Rail is not taking money from any city department. Fellas that was a phony campaign claim that Cayetano could never back up with facts.
on February 12,2014 | 05:44PM
Pocho wrote:
heh, wait till it's done. It's TheBus on a bigger scale
on February 12,2014 | 05:57PM
Pocho wrote:
Trash pick up was never "Free", what kind of reporting is this? Who paid for the refuse trucks? Who pays the C&C refuse workers? CRAZY
on February 12,2014 | 06:01PM
onevoice82 wrote:
If we begin to pay separately for city services then it is time to scrap the whole "General Fund" concept and go to a itemized property tax statement every year like so many other cities! This is the only way you will know exactly where your money goes, how efficient or inefficient the city is being run and would end "fund raiding" by slippery city councils and government officials. Remove G.E.T. as well!
on February 13,2014 | 04:24AM
scooters wrote:
Quit spreading the B.S.
on February 12,2014 | 06:00PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
where's the money going to come from to run the rail?..100 million dollars a year buddy
on February 12,2014 | 06:02PM
bjcayetano wrote:
Old Diver: The FTA's last study concluded that rail will increase the current transit share of the City's operating budget initially from 10 to 19%. That means that the City will have to either increase revenues or cut services or both to make up the difference. It's very simple: if more money is needed for rail unless taxes are increased there is likely to be less money available to pay for the increased costs of other services. The Mayor's recent proposals -- billboards on buses, garbage collection fees -- are proposed in anticipation of the fact that the cost of rail will take a bigger share of the City's operating budget.
on February 12,2014 | 06:23PM
OldDiver wrote:
Are we going to rehash your misleading nonsense again? The same report said a bus system alone system would eat up 23% of the city budget. In other words the O & M for a rail/bus system will save millions over a bus only system.
on February 12,2014 | 06:29PM
bjcayetano wrote:
Old Diver: You missed the point. You wanted facts I provided them. As for a bus system eating up 23% of the budget, assuming that is correct, at least with an all bus system the City would the flexibility of changing or eliminating bus routes, reducing the number of buses, etc, etc. With rail once it built, taxpayers will be stuck with it forever. That is a fact.
on February 13,2014 | 03:23AM
Giligan wrote:
Let's say it will cost $100 per ride, just a wild estimate for example purpose. Then we should charge $20 per rail ticket, like trash is $10 fee for $50 cost. Those retirees going from the Kroc Center to Ala Moana McDonalds, will decide not to ride the rail, then who will ride this train?
on February 13,2014 | 05:07AM
lwandcah wrote:
YET. Just wait till it's done. The only way they will not be forced to reduce other city provided services is to raise taxes; like this one.
on February 13,2014 | 04:38AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Caldwell is going to raise fees on everything including property taxes, wait and see
on February 13,2014 | 04:01AM
scooters wrote:
And you'll not get an Vaseline either!
on February 12,2014 | 05:59PM
bumba wrote:
Baloney.
on February 12,2014 | 04:51PM
scooters wrote:
Oh there you got just like Pres. Hussein, blaming it all on President George Bush. It's never the Democrats fault, right????
on February 12,2014 | 05:58PM
kekelaward wrote:
Of course not. They've only been the sole party in power in this state for the last few decades.
on February 12,2014 | 08:35PM
grantos wrote:
why do you use only the middle name to refer to one president and the full name for another? try to be consistent at least
on February 12,2014 | 09:42PM
Readitnow wrote:
The problem isn't Caldwell, the problem is the system. Even though we pay our taxes to the Fed, State, and City … they have learned that they can get more money if they ala carte charge for certain essentials. i.e. the one time sewer fee to pay for upgrades … (and that would be eliminated when done). Now they say that we had this refuse pick up service for free and that we should just pay a portion of it for "kokua". The sympathy angle always hits you in the heart. Smart people will eventually notice that it is b.s. and that it will hit you in the pocket book. End of story …
on February 12,2014 | 08:13PM
2localgirl wrote:
BS to every other week. It's a health hazard with our climate. Ok, every other week and TWICE the number of cans!Rats, where are you!!
on February 12,2014 | 08:37PM
cwo4usn wrote:
Knew someone would blame Bush! You people are so predictable.
on February 13,2014 | 04:30AM
postmanx wrote:
"The proposed city fee will serve to clean up the discrepancies.", and not raise taxes? How about full on curb side recycling rather not this trash to H-Power Cash deal that's going down now?
on February 15,2014 | 05:10PM
pcman wrote:
IRT gth on $50. I agree $50 a pick up is a snow job. That's what it would cost if you had a personal garbage man pick up only your trash and take it to the city dump 4 times a month at $12.50 a trip. His lips must have been moving when Caldwell said that. That's how you can tell when a politician is lying.
on February 13,2014 | 05:42AM
honokai wrote:
No way on earth are they going to keep it at ten dollars. Time to start looking for someone that will serve working people and not set everyone up for the continued squeeze. This guy is out of touch.
on February 12,2014 | 04:11PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 05:17PM
OldDiver wrote:
These whiners want a free lunch.
on February 12,2014 | 05:46PM
Pocho wrote:
YOU! voted the guy in! Don't look at me
on February 12,2014 | 06:02PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
i find it weird that i live in a townhouse and the city picks up our trash..before it was a private company...i wonder what happened
on February 12,2014 | 06:03PM
Anonymous wrote:
Please share with us when you find out.
on February 12,2014 | 09:18PM
UhhDuhh wrote:
Just get the non-profits and businesses who are not paying to pay! Hello?
on February 12,2014 | 04:13PM
64hoo wrote:
lets see that will be 30 dollars a month that the cities hiding from you when it becomes law it will be 10 dollars for trash pickup 10 dollars for green waste pickup and 10 dollars for recyclable pickups even if you only put out trash you still will be charge 20 dollars more a month for green waste and recyclable at 10 dollars each. hidden agenda rail money.
on February 12,2014 | 04:13PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 05:17PM
64hoo wrote:
that's because condos use a private company to pick up trash there is the difference between a condo owner and a homeowner
on February 12,2014 | 05:59PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 06:29PM
atilter wrote:
for you the service may be free - but for most others, it AIN'T.
on February 12,2014 | 10:36PM
kekelaward wrote:
No one is forcing you to stay there.
on February 12,2014 | 08:37PM
atilter wrote:
it's called the MAINTENANCE FEE in a condo. then there's the property tax which a separate item. no choice when one lives in a condo and has to abide by the association by-laws. individual homeowners, different from HPR zero-lot-line properties, prop taxes are not shared with/by others. BOTTOM LINE - whine and cheese go together well! i'll bring the cheese to the next caldwell party.
on February 12,2014 | 10:34PM
localguy wrote:
Here we go again, Kirky boy hasn't got a clue how the property taxes we all pay covers our trash pickup. (Oh wait, he raided that fund for another special interest project. Now he wants to add another tax to fund his personal pet projects. Really sad when a Nei bureaucrat hasn't got a clue what property tax covers. Then again when he hasn't been paying property taxes for decades, he would not know, would not care. Kirk needs to admit what we all know, he doesn't know how to do his job, never did, never will. Tell him where to put this tax idea.
on February 12,2014 | 04:14PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 05:18PM
Ewaduffer wrote:
No matter how many times you repeat your post Makpuu4, it still won't justify a $10 per household tax increase for home owners. If you live in a condo with private garbage collection that was your choice.
on February 12,2014 | 05:48PM
scooters wrote:
Yes in deed it was his choice....
on February 12,2014 | 06:01PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 06:18PM
bumba wrote:
Yeah right. You'll still be in your momma's condo picking your nose and trolling the comment section. Haha, and go take a shower by the way. You smelling up the neighborhood.
on February 12,2014 | 07:43PM
gofigga wrote:
Just curious Makapuu4, at what rate is your property tax based? On the value of your individual units, or the entire value of the property on which your building sits?
on February 13,2014 | 02:13AM
Christopher_murp wrote:
Before you decide to go after the peeps not paying a separate fee for their rubbish pickup (although they do since it is part of their property taxes), how about going after all the recipients of the special interest projects that the city really does lose money on and just helps certain people feel better about themselves?
on February 13,2014 | 04:24AM
Imagen wrote:
Why do you keep on raising intelligent positions when these bafoons are NOT listening? Caldwell does what he does; one because he thinks he can, two because his lies are so thick, he really believes no one will remember what he said, and three he himself cannot remember what he said just a few minutes ago. PRP convinced the sheep to vote for their marionette mayor. So how is that working?
on February 13,2014 | 12:30PM
localguy wrote:
The sad part is condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:12PM
atilter wrote:
IT SEEMS I READ THIS SENTENCE BEFORE.
on February 12,2014 | 10:37PM
kauai wrote:
St**k**g politician!!! We're paying g*dd**n property taxes for this purpose!! What the h**l is wrong with this picture? Get the $80 a month from the d**n choo-choo train funding instead! This proposal REALLY p*ss*s me off!!! Caldwell needs to get a clue and get the city's financial house in order instead of raising taxes!! Make no mistake, this proposal is a TAX! I think I'll need an extra dose of blood pressure medication! Can anyone tell that I'm really UPSET?
on February 12,2014 | 04:18PM
Pocho wrote:
You my friend voted him into office.
on February 12,2014 | 06:24PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
How could you possibly know that? LOL. Typical portagee.
on February 12,2014 | 10:32PM
kauai wrote:
No, I did NOT vote for Caldwell. You are either lying or a troll. In either case, you are making yourself look foolish.
on February 13,2014 | 09:14AM
kekelaward wrote:
Yeah, but how do you really feel?
on February 12,2014 | 08:40PM
kauai wrote:
Pissed off.
on February 13,2014 | 09:14AM
Imagen wrote:
And rightly so.
on February 13,2014 | 12:32PM
islandsun wrote:
Someone should let the Punahou Carnival guys know one of their clowns is on the loose.
on February 12,2014 | 04:20PM
Skyler wrote:
lol.
on February 12,2014 | 06:14PM
kekelaward wrote:
Well, we lost our odiot to chicago....
on February 12,2014 | 08:40PM
grantos wrote:
you're an odiot
on February 12,2014 | 09:44PM
localguy wrote:
More shibai from bureaucrats. "It costs the city more than $50 a month to pick up trash from each location every month" So to pick up trash from 10 homes in a row for one month costs $500? Really? Truth is the trash pickup service is not an efficient operation, way too much fraud and waste. We need the state auditor to go through this service to find all the deadwood, money wasting going on. Want to bet the problem starts at the top?
on February 12,2014 | 04:20PM
honokai wrote:
It may only be $120 per year. But, Just in case he forgets who holds the cards .... Section 12-101. Recall of the Mayor -- The mayor may be removed by recall which shall be initiated upon petition signed by duly registered voters equal in number to at least ten percent of the total voters registered at the last regular mayoral election. Signatures from any one council district, as provided by this charter for the election of councilmembers, in excess of forty percent of the total number required on the petition shall not be counted. (Reso. 83-357; 1992 General Election Charter Amendment Question Nos. 15 and 32A(9))
on February 12,2014 | 04:22PM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
Done deal. Once it stars, watch the fee steadily go up. Nothing we can do aboiut it though, its more money for the City and County of Honolulu. Most people will see it as a moderate fee going for the greater good of society. Oh well, lucky we live Hawaii (or Oahu).
on February 12,2014 | 04:22PM
kekelaward wrote:
I think most of us wouldn't mind f the funds were used properly for the greater good of society, but they won't be. This is Hawaii.
on February 12,2014 | 08:44PM
rainbowfan wrote:
It's no currently free, we pay real property taxes to the City for the service.
on February 12,2014 | 04:23PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 05:18PM
Skyler wrote:
Gah will you stop cutting & pasting the same nonsense over & over again? YOU made the choice to live in a condo & pay the fees, so quit yer beachin'
on February 12,2014 | 06:15PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 06:23PM
bumba wrote:
No, you're a whiney invasive species masquerading as a Hawaiian. That is sick.
on February 12,2014 | 07:45PM
kekelaward wrote:
Get used to it if you have a job, according to the president.
on February 12,2014 | 08:46PM
Pocho wrote:
alzheimers or wat?
on February 12,2014 | 06:25PM
Skyler wrote:
Nah, Ice and locker room.
on February 13,2014 | 12:52AM
LKK56 wrote:
Yes Condo's pay for their trash pick up, but condo's should have free pick up like everybody else - they pay real property taxes too.
on February 12,2014 | 09:28PM
localguy wrote:
The sad part is condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:13PM
Hank13 wrote:
How about charging those Historical homeowners who don't meet the requirements to be eligible. There is a City mayor taking advantage of those GREATLY reduced rates. Does his home meet all the requirements? How about getting rid of the homeless from Waikiki and other publicly used areas where they have taken over. They are winning the war and I would bet are chasing tourists away. Waikiki and Kapiolani park are embarrassing.
on February 12,2014 | 04:31PM
Anonymous wrote:
The system definitely needs to change.
on February 12,2014 | 09:22PM
wobegone wrote:
Whats all the chatter about? Many other cities charge and you have to line up your garbage cans on one side of the street on even numbered months and on the other side on odd numbered months.And they charge average $30 a month (source -"Municalpaity Govenment"). While visiting my son I got my rented auto towed away and a $150 fine for parking on the side of street they were picking up the garbage cans. Makes you love to live in Hawaii and love everyone in it, even love our Mayor!
on February 12,2014 | 04:38PM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
GO RAIL GO!!! my friend GO RAIL GO!!!
on February 12,2014 | 04:51PM
wondermn1 wrote:
STOP RUSTY THE RAIL AND REDUCE OUR TAXES AND FEES
on February 13,2014 | 04:25AM
Hank13 wrote:
You obviously haven't lived here long enough.
on February 12,2014 | 06:45PM
kekelaward wrote:
Maybe a transplant who screwed up where he previously lived, was rich enough to flee when everything went downhill, and now wants to do the same thing here.
on February 12,2014 | 08:49PM
samsdad wrote:
Damn. We already property tax, car registration tax, sales tax, sewer fees. Now they want to charge us for picking up the trash? Mayor, bleeding the people dry just won't do it. Why not cut the number of people on the city payroll? The days of one man working and four guys watching just won't cut it anymore. Can you spell privatization of city services? A Honolulu or Hawaii lottery sounds like a viable source of outside income.
on February 12,2014 | 04:44PM
Kukuinunu wrote:
If the mayor had offered to initiate a significant project to house the homeless, get them off the streets, return Honolulu and Waikiki to the beautiful and friendly place it once was, I would be more sympathetic. The homeless/houseless issue must be addressed and the mayor seems to be ducking the issue. There is no cure for homelessness until the homeless have a safe place to live, to shower, to have clean clothes, and which fosters an environment from which they can go to work. Has the mayor evaluated the costs of collecting $10/month from every rubbish pickup location? While I understand the argument that at present, rubbish fees are mixed what with private vendors, condos, non-profits and what not all confusing the situation, it would be much less costly (in terms of the cost of collection of the fees) to simply raise property taxes....those increased costs will be passed on to tenants and they will end up paying one way or another. Of more concern to me is that the Mayor seems to be ignoring more pressing infrastructure issues like street repaving, potholes, flooding, parks, and so on. The mayor should bite the bullet and deliver a real proposal to address funding all the necessary projects, show us costs, schedules, and open the discussion on how to pay for it. I would like to know what he is going to do about sea level rise....surely there are some big costs in the future from that impact on our roads and other infrastructure. The mayor is piece-mealing us on projects, the budget, taxes and user fees. It would be better if he would deliver a comprehensive proposal, let us see the big picture for the long run........where is the vision?
on February 12,2014 | 04:47PM
OldDiver wrote:
This is exactly what Caldwell has proposed. The city council looking for votes has refused to raise taxes and played politics with the private rental management agreement which has put the homeless initiative Caldwell proposed in jeopardy.
on February 12,2014 | 05:50PM
localguy wrote:
OD - So why can't Kirky Boy explain why the property tax we all pay is not covering the trash pickup? Now he is in trouble, realizing he just made himself look like a fool. Nothing new there. The sad part is condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:15PM
lloydtkobayashi wrote:
$10 per month or $120 per year for trash pick up along with bulky pick up is reasonable. My concern is what is the money going to be used for. Will it lower our property taxes? Would it be used to construct more H Power plants so that we don't require more landfills? Recycling programs appear to be helping to reduce our waste. Politicians tend to use the extra monies for their pet projects...not what our communities need. Only what politicians perceive to be urgent needs. Use the generated funds for waste management...I am all for that. I want Hawaii to continue to be a great place to live.
on February 12,2014 | 04:48PM
OldDiver wrote:
The city's budget is in the red. The fee is to keep the refuse service unchanged.
on February 12,2014 | 05:53PM
Skyler wrote:
OldDiver wrote: "The city's budget is in the red." Oh boo-fn-hoo. Whose fault is that? Certainly not the people who didn't vote for rail. The C&C would be faring far better had rail not been force-fed upon us.
on February 12,2014 | 06:20PM
localguy wrote:
OD - City budget is in the red because our elected bureaucrats haven't got a clue how to balance a budget. How to cut out fraud, waste, inefficiency. They haven't got what it takes to do the hard budget work. So they do what they do best, kick the can down the road, easier to add a new tax versus doing their jobs.
on February 12,2014 | 09:17PM
gofigga wrote:
Tell them to ask the state. They claim to have turned a 200 million defecet into a 800 million surplus in one year!
on February 13,2014 | 02:50AM
Imagen wrote:
It's called 'mental math". The figures exists only in their minds.
on February 13,2014 | 12:40PM
atilter wrote:
i bet old diver is actually kirky boy himself - trying to poopoo the masses.
on February 12,2014 | 10:44PM
Christopher_murp wrote:
There are probably a hundred things that have been added to the city's budget since trash pickup was initiated. Reduce the costs of the non-mandatory expenses/programs first. Maintain the essentials like the roads and parks (and trash). If the program doesn't help all of the constituents that pay in to the system, evaluate it and determine if it is really worth keeping around.
on February 13,2014 | 04:37AM
Imagen wrote:
And why IS the city in the red?
on February 13,2014 | 12:39PM
localguy wrote:
OD - So why can't Kirky Boy explain why the property tax we all pay is not covering the trash pickup? Now he is in trouble, realizing he just made himself look like a fool. Nothing new there. The sad part is condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:15PM
lyoza wrote:
Garbage pick up should be paid through our property tax. Why don't we charge the Mayor and City Council to get elected. Call it the elected TAX.
on February 12,2014 | 04:50PM
localguy wrote:
It is paid through property tax. Kirky boy didn't know this, thought we all got free trash pickup. What a loser for our mayor.
on February 12,2014 | 09:17PM
lyoza wrote:
Lets charge rent for his office at City Hall. The City council too.
on February 12,2014 | 04:53PM
roadsterred wrote:
Stupid idea. History repeating itself. The City of Honolulu tried this decades ago. Guess what happened? The majority paid, but many didn't. The City had to sic collectors on them and they still didn't pay. What recourse does the City have, leave the trash on the sidewalks for households which do not pay? Come on Caldwell, drop the bonehead idea. Who's giving you this bad advice?
on February 12,2014 | 04:59PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 05:28PM
Pocho wrote:
dementia or wat?
on February 12,2014 | 06:26PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 06:31PM
localguy wrote:
The sad part is condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:18PM
Giligan wrote:
Add in the 4.5% general excise tax to that.
on February 13,2014 | 05:11AM
kekelaward wrote:
I think he answered you.
on February 12,2014 | 08:52PM
bleedgreen wrote:
Why do we have the blue dumpster?
on February 12,2014 | 05:02PM
kekelaward wrote:
For blue trash, silly.
on February 12,2014 | 09:19PM
boshio wrote:
This proposal is a great rip-off to the people. I never thought that the garbage pick-up was ever free. Something is definately wrong and the people should speak up.
on February 12,2014 | 05:03PM
steveoctober wrote:
Looking forward to the new trash heaps forming alongside the roads from those who will not pay and just toss their rubbish elsewhere. Also, HPD will need to set up a new rubbish can task-force (allocate a few dozen six figure earning detectives from investigating murders and real crimes), because you're going to have all kinds of disputes over some neighbors who refuse to pay and try to stuff their junk into cans of those who do pay. Just a financial disaster waiting to happen.
on February 12,2014 | 05:09PM
kekelaward wrote:
Well, every now and then they do find dead bodies in the trash.
on February 12,2014 | 08:53PM
kainalu wrote:
The time will come, sooner for some where we'll have to secure and watch over our bins to make sure nobody is dumping their rubbish in our bins.
on February 12,2014 | 05:11PM
Imagen wrote:
I already have the commercial neighbor putting their trash in my bin. The landlord for the commercial building does not want to get commercial refuse service because she does not want to pay for it. She told me so herself. She even called the City Refuse Department and acted like she was ME, and requested for another gray bin; I didn't know she did. The City Refuse wrote me a letter and asked me to justify the second bin and I was floored! I told them I did not call and I did not need one; I had he gray, blue and green and was fine with what I had. That is low amongst low but hey what can you do when you rent and not own...
on February 12,2014 | 05:17PM
kekelaward wrote:
Mention it on yelp
on February 12,2014 | 08:55PM
boshio wrote:
Stupidest idea of the century. It is clear that the administration still feel that the people of Honolulu is stupid.
on February 12,2014 | 05:19PM
CriticalReader wrote:
What happens if you don't pay? Can you go Halves with your neigbor? What if you have two cans? How will it be dealt with when a household doesn't pay, and then sneaks their trash into your can? Criminal prosecution for theft? What about the household that doesn't pay, but doesn't timely dispose of trash, and then creates a build up and health hazzard? For $10 a month, what do we get? Neat, tidy trash pick up (instead of remnants all over the street)?
on February 12,2014 | 05:20PM
boshio wrote:
What is Caldwell's address.
on February 12,2014 | 05:24PM
Giligan wrote:
Used to be open to the public for historic homes, and property tax break, but Caldwell withdrew it, he is not that stupid.
on February 13,2014 | 05:14AM
atilter wrote:
so wats new - we still get trash all ovah the area where da trash gets "picked up". its all about getting da hellout of dodge quick so dey can go to their oddah jobs.
on February 12,2014 | 10:48PM
AuntyM wrote:
That ain't nothing..... I pay $30 a month, which does include recycling and yard debris pick up once a week. It was a rude awakening when I moved from Hawaii :{ You guys already have it made with low property taxes too..... I hope they charge tenants and owners in apartments or condos...
on February 12,2014 | 05:20PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 05:27PM
TheObserver wrote:
don't condos have to pay fee to a private company?
on February 12,2014 | 06:14PM
Pocho wrote:
nobody told anyone to live in a condo
on February 12,2014 | 06:26PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Just stop picking up "green waste" and "recyclables" if it's costing too much. People can take care of their own green waste and recyce their own stuff.
on February 12,2014 | 05:27PM
kekelaward wrote:
Hey! The use of common sense is highly frowned upon by the management.
on February 12,2014 | 08:58PM
Skyler wrote:
We know who instituted those blue bins all over the place. Guess he wasn't so smart, after all.
on February 13,2014 | 12:57AM
kmgym wrote:
i don't mind paying a moderate fee as long as the QUALITY of the current trash pick up gets better. right now the driver in our area will leave trash bins scattered on their sides all over the road. we have had to physically move people's trash bins out of the way so cars can pass. tried complaining to the C&C, but nothing was done. guess that's what we get for a "free" service. but if you're going to start charging fees, i expect to have my bins AT THE VERY LEAST put back in UPRIGHT position.
on February 12,2014 | 05:28PM
kekelaward wrote:
"Service with a smirk"
on February 12,2014 | 08:59PM
localguy wrote:
kmgym - NO!!. You are already paying for trash through your property tax. So why can't Kirky Boy explain why the property tax we all pay is not covering the trash pickup? Now he is in trouble, realizing he just made himself look like a fool. Nothing new there. The sad part is condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:19PM
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on February 12,2014 | 05:29PM
TheObserver wrote:
but you chose to live there, yes?
on February 12,2014 | 06:13PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
TheNotSoObservant - I did not choose to subsidize your trash pick-up.
on February 12,2014 | 06:21PM
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on February 12,2014 | 06:23PM
atilter wrote:
cud be - but we definitely subsidizing you fo working da opala cru!
on February 12,2014 | 10:52PM
Pocho wrote:
probably signed the papers and all. The contract lists what monthly fees your contributing too. Maybe Maka is losing his mind.
on February 12,2014 | 06:28PM
Skyler wrote:
Maka packer lost it loooong time ago.
on February 13,2014 | 12:59AM
EDS1 wrote:
$10.00 a month? Why not $50 P60 seni annually instead. It would cut down a lot of paperwork. Or consider pickup for all residential areas. Including condominiums.
on February 12,2014 | 05:33PM
cwo4usn wrote:
By billing monthly, they can increase the number of C&C workers thru providing jobs at taxpayer expense. Sure looks good on paper and puts a feather in Kirk's hat as a job creator. Look at the Water Board. From bi-monthly billing with a service charge, to monthly billing with the same service charge amount on each month bill. Now that's a money maker for the C&C.
on February 13,2014 | 04:47AM
Makapuu4 wrote:
For those whiny aszholes that don't want to pay for trash pickup, condo residents have to pay for trash pickup AND property taxes.
on February 12,2014 | 05:35PM
jasurace wrote:
Actually, I didn't even realize it was "free", I assumed it was part of the water and sewer. When I lived on the mainland in LA/Pasadena, that's how the city billed it. The size of the waste bin (there were three sizes) determined how much you paid, and you could only throw out what fit in the bin. You got one free bulky pickup per year, paid extra for more. Green waste and recycling were included. I think was about $20/month. And they recycled everything, if it wasn't food waste (all glass, paper, cardboard, plastic, and metal were recyclable). Just not cost effective on the island, I imagine.
on February 12,2014 | 05:36PM
localguy wrote:
So why can't Kirky Boy explain why the property tax we all pay is not covering the trash pickup? Now he is in trouble, realizing he just made himself look like a fool. Nothing new there. The sad part is condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:20PM
Ewaduffer wrote:
Hell No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on February 12,2014 | 05:42PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Hell Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on February 12,2014 | 06:19PM
papio5 wrote:
It first starts with $10, then when it is actually enacted, there's going to be a billing fee. Similar to board of water supply when they changed to monthly billing. When that is still not enough money for him, the mayor is going to charge a lease rental fee for the bins. Similar to oceanic when they charge for rental of their cable modems. You heard about Caldwell wanting to extend the 1/2 percent surcharge, possibly indefinitely for fixed rail maintenance. Remember when he was selling the project, he said he would find a way to fund maintenance. Well, here it is.
on February 12,2014 | 05:55PM
inuulu wrote:
I would pay 10 dollars a month to catch all those feral chickens
on February 12,2014 | 05:58PM
soundofreason wrote:
"The release noted that the City and County of Honolulu is the only one of the four counties that does not charge a fee for refuse service pickup.">>> And yet the refuse pickers get paid. How? It's ALREADY built into our PROPERTY tax structure. So DEDUCT it from WHEREVER you've BEEN paying it from BEFORE you hit us TWICE for it.
on February 12,2014 | 06:08PM
Skyler wrote:
So, tell me again what our property taxes actually cover? What a load of rubbish, Mr. Caldwell.
on February 12,2014 | 06:11PM
TheObserver wrote:
Wow. Aren't the property taxes we all pay enough to cover trash pickup?. Why not just abolish property taxes and charge us ala carte for what services we use? That seems to be the idea, right? To eventually charge us for each and every municipal service? It makes me so happy that the Mayor can afford to pay for his garbage pick up because very few of us will be able to do so.
on February 12,2014 | 06:12PM
duna6430 wrote:
Great - I have an HOA that doesn't do what it's supposed to when we pay, now we'll have a refuse p/up that doesn't do what it's supposed to when we pay it. I think you're right though - it'll be $10 a week X three (waste, recycle & green), then the city will turn a profit by selling our recyclables, but charge us more $ for the admin costs of managing that side of the operation. I also thought the waste pickup was rolled in with the robbery that our water/sewage bill has become. Where DOES our property tax money go (better question - WHO does that money go to?).
on February 12,2014 | 06:13PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
No kidding Sherlock. Condo owners already pay for their trash pick-up, they pay property taxes, AND subsidize single family trash pick-up. What' your point?
on February 12,2014 | 06:17PM
Pocho wrote:
move out of your condo into a single family home. Why pay more for trash pickup. Common sense my friend. Not rocket scientist stuff
on February 12,2014 | 06:29PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 06:44PM
cwo4usn wrote:
you know what's stupid? an individual that keeps posting the same garbage. Apparently you came from the shallow end of the gene pool.
on February 13,2014 | 04:50AM
localguy wrote:
The sad part is condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:20PM
Kenika wrote:
Mr. Mayor, Isn't this an essential service? Cut out the nonessential services.
on February 12,2014 | 06:21PM
kekelaward wrote:
But I'll die if the government doesn't tell me what is culture and what is art!
on February 12,2014 | 09:03PM
HOSSANA wrote:
WHY?? My rubbish men at our apt. complex are the sloppiest and laziest....they just throw the cans down and sometimes one or two of the cans have newspapers stuck in the bottom and they can't even reach in and take the newspapers out and discard it...NO, THE FEE IS NOT JUSTIFIABLE for the rubbish idiots....This is just another SHIBAI on Caldummy's part to get more monies for his coffers. Nothing more and nothing less.
on February 12,2014 | 06:24PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 06:24PM
kekelaward wrote:
There's alot of stuff in life you don't get to chose. Get used to it.
on February 12,2014 | 09:06PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 06:27PM
localguy wrote:
Condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:21PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
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on February 12,2014 | 06:29PM
kekelaward wrote:
I'm not sure I got what you're trying to say. Could you repeat that?
on February 12,2014 | 09:26PM
RandolphW wrote:
As I have said many times before in my comments, the city and county of Honolulu is actually bankrupt from a cash flow standpoint. Now, the chickens are coming home to roost. You can call it slight of hand accounting, phony accounting or whatever you wish. The money isn't there for the city administration to spend. Therefore, the taxpayers are going to be taxed to the bare walls. It might as be "welcome back Jeremy Harris" or "hello Aileen Anderson years" all over again. Again, this is what the voters wanted, including the rail. It is too late to bail out, and this administration has been fully supported by the media, including the SA and especially the large special interests. Best of luck to all!
on February 12,2014 | 06:37PM
DA_HANDSOME_CHINAMAN wrote:
NO NO NO WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT. WHAT IS HE, STUPID? OUR TAX MONEY, IS WHAT. FOR GET THE RAIL SYSTEM AND I WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS BASKET CASE.
on February 12,2014 | 06:37PM
kekelaward wrote:
Yes, I think he proved that he is stupid when he missed the filing deadline.
on February 12,2014 | 09:07PM
HOSSANA wrote:
ha..ha..ha..you are so right...ha..ha..ha...
on February 13,2014 | 08:49AM
whs1966 wrote:
The mayor's proposal sounds fair to me since I live in a large condo building, I already pay for garbage pick-up. Like gth, I have often wondered why it's not included in the property tax I (and every one else in my building) pay.
on February 12,2014 | 06:41PM
nippy68 wrote:
thats your problem nobody put a gun to your head to live in a condo...............
on February 12,2014 | 06:51PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
dippy68 - Let's talk when you start paying $10/month.
on February 12,2014 | 06:57PM
localguy wrote:
Condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:22PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
The $10 fee, which would begin next January, would only apply to those currently getting city pick-up, not those who pay for private haulers. - Sound fair to me.
on February 12,2014 | 06:46PM
junior50 wrote:
When will these fees stop? I can see that we will be paying more for police protection, fire protection ( those in condos will pay more as it is more difficult to fight the fire), using the parks etc. Our mayor needs the money for his own pet projects (rail) and this is one way not to increase the property taxes but user fees which is just a tax to to the people who knows what is going on.
on February 12,2014 | 07:09PM
nippy68 wrote:
like i my statement says fakamuu.....no body put a gun to your head to live in a condo......
on February 12,2014 | 07:18PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
dippy68 - Nobody will be putting a gun to your head when your start ponying up your fair share of at least $10/mo.
on February 12,2014 | 07:31PM
kekelaward wrote:
No, not a gun. Just jail time.
on February 12,2014 | 09:09PM
nippy68 wrote:
can we kick this b#s$a%d out of office?
on February 12,2014 | 06:49PM
Makapuu4 wrote:
Go Mr. Mayor - Get those slacker losers. Make them pay their fair share.
on February 12,2014 | 06:59PM
kekelaward wrote:
Yeah, like property tax evaders who live in Manoa.
on February 12,2014 | 09:10PM
Bdpapa wrote:
Actually, I'm okay with that. But charge everybody.
on February 12,2014 | 07:35PM
gmejk wrote:
Yeah but charge the condo owners an additional $10---just for being whinny azzholes.
on February 12,2014 | 07:54PM
kekelaward wrote:
Snort. Well done!
on February 12,2014 | 09:22PM
localguy wrote:
gmejk - How little you know. Condo and townhouse owners are paying the exact same property tax as homeowners do. Yet after paying a trash hauling company, we are again taxed when the trash hauling company has to pay a "Tipping Fee" to dump the trash. Actually condo/townhouse owners are double taxed. And still Kirky boy, who hasn't got a clue what is going on, thinks it is ok to double tax us. What an utterly dysfunctional bureaucrat.
on February 12,2014 | 09:23PM
Skyler wrote:
That 'whooshing' sound is gmejk's point going right over your head - or are you makapoo, too?
on February 13,2014 | 01:05AM
Skyler wrote:
haha oh yeah!
on February 13,2014 | 01:02AM
wobegone wrote:
Wait till they propose to charge residents for dumping at the scattered dump yards. My son in Seattle pays monthly garbage dues and when he hauls stuff to dump he pays a weight tax--it will happen here, just taking longer to come. Every cultural fad comes from the East and goes West (kinda like the homeless).
on February 12,2014 | 07:41PM
olagon wrote:
Correction to the story. Not all homes on Oahu get yard waste or recyclable material pickup. We get trash pickup on our street but not curbside recycling.
on February 12,2014 | 07:43PM
teeman wrote:
Who is this makapuu4? M4, you don't have your facts correct. Yes, condo owners pay prop taxes on the value of the dwelling, but not 100% on the land since you don't own the land the building sits on. Condo owners also don't pay water and sewer bills separately like home owners do, yours is a collaborative fee shared by all condo owners called a maintenance fee. All Home owners pay for city services via taxes on the dwelling (structure) and land we own to subsidize refuse, police and fire services, etc. Condo owners pay for these services from the prop taxes on your dwelling. I don't want to pay $10 each time I need police or fire services. These fees would be a tax, a DOUBLE tax, something our constitution prohibits. M4, user fees for BASIC city services is a bad idea. Our elected officials shy away from any TAX INCREASES during any ELECTION year, so they call it something other than it is, a TAX increase.
on February 12,2014 | 08:17PM
kekelaward wrote:
Ack! No fair using logic and facts!
on February 12,2014 | 09:23PM
rayhawaii wrote:
You see they like to get rid of food tax but will always get you somewhere else. Best we let the state have our paycheck and they give us what they think we deserve.
on February 12,2014 | 08:51PM
kekelaward wrote:
Soon, very soon, if everything goes as planned ...
on February 12,2014 | 09:24PM
LKK56 wrote:
"Stupid is as Stupid does" You are going to collect $10 per household per month - good idea except it will probably cost $12 per household to account for this $10. If you need additional funds, just raise real property taxes - real property taxes is DEDUCTIBLE.
on February 12,2014 | 09:26PM
blackmurano wrote:
Typical Democrat "GREED". First the Democratic mayor want to assess 1 percent to the general excise tax for their budget. Now this Democratic honolulu mayor want to suck us for anothe $10.00 a month for trash pickup. The Democratic control legislature spends millions on "studies." But can't afford to give our keikies air condition in their classroom. Time to take these donkeys out of office this year.
on February 12,2014 | 09:48PM
wondermn1 wrote:
Garbage in and Garbage out sounds like a Caldwell Job of raising more taxes for da RUSTING RAIL
on February 13,2014 | 04:00AM
Giligan wrote:
Need start with stopping free bulky pick up. The sidewalks are a dump.
on February 13,2014 | 05:15AM
LYD wrote:
Just a reminder that King Caldwell can easily afford the $10 fee since he pays a measly $100 per year in real estate taxes for his "historic" home! And that's the rest of the story...
on February 13,2014 | 05:38AM
MeltingPot wrote:
I left Hawaii in my young 20s to live in Calif. where the house we lived in had private trash service. At the time, it was a struggle to pay for housing, water, electric, propane, heat, food, gas, etc. So we made a choice not to pay for trash pickup - we composted & recycled everything we could and my husband would take a bag of trash to work as needed to dump there. He had the owner's permission to do this. $10/month may not seem like much, but there will be people who cannot pay it and what will happen with their garbage? We were lucky to have a place to take our trash, but I can foresee people just dumping in obscure areas. I think if the city needs to cut some service - cut the green waste pickup and/or recyclable pickup. Homeowners can recycle at various locations that take cans, plastics, newspapers & boxes. Like we did before the blue cans. We can compost or take our yard waste to the transfer station. That green can is not nearly adequate to maintain a well-planted yard in Hawaii anyway. Even with the green can and our own composting, we drop off yard waste about once a month. I don't want to pay any more (in any kind of disguise) to pay for the rail, which isn't even going to run through Waikiki or UH where it would have a chance of being well-used. The bus system is in place, it works, it's flexible.
on February 14,2014 | 08:26AM
Maddog357 wrote:
Since this is a heavy union state, I want to know how much employees involved in the trash collection and processing chain are making per month/year and the cost of their benefits including retirement - before I agree to pay extra for trash pickup. Remember, Caldwell won election due to union support. Nothing wrong with unions, but in this state, their members tend to have better pay and benefit packages than the average citizen.
on February 14,2014 | 04:53PM
Honu89 wrote:
OldDiver must be on the City payroll. Seems to blindly suppor everything Caldwell and crones push.
on February 19,2014 | 01:02PM
Rice_Man wrote:
Didn't the city increase the sewer fee (which is why our water bill has doubled) to help with the trash pickup budget??? The city thinks they are smart because they moved the water billing from every 2 months, to monthly and the bill is pretty much the same. Are all of us that clueless? Fees, fees, fees.... Cut costs people!
on March 20,2014 | 10:14AM
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