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Honolulu's rail project wins 2 key federal court rulings

By Marcel Honoré

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LAST UPDATED: 05:19 p.m. HST, Feb 18, 2014


Local transit officials are declaring lanakila -- victory -- after two huge wins in federal court Tuesday, while opponents suing to stop the project said the court decisions bring their legal fight to an end.

A Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled that Oahu's planned elevated rail project complies with environmental law, siding against opponents who had sued to stop the project. 

Meanwhile, on the lower court level in the same case, visiting Judge A. Wallace Tashima ruled Tuesday that transit officials had properly considered an alternative route ending at University of Hawaii's Manoa campus before instead selecting the route ending at Ala Moana Center.

Tashima also lifted an order blocking most construction and property acquisition in the heart of town.

Together, the two court decisions represent a major victory for the $5.26 billion rail project, currently under construction in West Oahu -- and a decisive blow to opponents who were leading the charge to stop the project, including retired businessman Cliff Slater, former Gov. Ben Cayetano and prominent UH law professor Randall Roth.

"Our preliminary decision is that there is little likelihood of prevailing in any further legal action," Slater told reporters at a briefing Tuesday. "Therefore, today's rulings conclude our legal fight."

City officials were more upbeat at a press briefing earlier. 

 "It's now time to get on with the transit project to provide mobility to those who need it and to complete the rail time on-time and on-budget," Honolulu Corporation Counsel Donna Leong said.

The decision released by the federal appeals court panel upholds Wallace Tashima's original 2012 order in the suit, which largely sided with the city but also required that it further study the so-called "Beretania Street Tunnel Alternative" in town.

The panel of three appellate judges found that transit officials sufficiently considered alternatives to the rail project as required by federal environmental laws. The judges further maintained that they had jurisdiction in the matter -- despite spending most of an hour-long hearing last August in San Francisco questioning whether they did in fact have jurisdiction.

Members of the rail opponent group that brought the federal suit, Honolulutraffic.com, have previously stated that the appeal before the Ninth Circuit would likely be their last chance to stop the project.







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HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Yayyyy !!!
on February 18,2014 | 09:12AM
what wrote:
And the beat goes on. Oahu voters get to have the honor of being the smallest amount of taxpayers to ever pay the most amount of money for the most poorly designed transit solution.
on February 18,2014 | 09:55AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Same with our so called Health Connector. It's like paying 100 dollars for a Zip Pac.
on February 18,2014 | 10:39AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
MOVEONHON.
on February 18,2014 | 02:31PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Which is the best hand: AAAKK or AAKKK ?
on February 18,2014 | 04:39PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
AAAAK!
on February 18,2014 | 06:54PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Was not one of the choices. AAAKK is the winner!
on February 18,2014 | 07:48PM
lwandcah wrote:
The clickity, clackity (or should I say grinding, screechig steel on steel) choo choo train to nowhere is on track again to take us all on a ride; a ride to our demise!
on February 18,2014 | 11:38AM
CouncilmanBerg wrote:
Honolulu's Rail Summed Up In 22 Seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOJIETN4XWQ
on February 18,2014 | 12:00PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Lol
on February 18,2014 | 07:57PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
So you know what it's going to sound like even before it is built?! I think our engineers of today have found a remedy to the clicking and clacking not to mention the screeching. I think maybe actually SEE and HEAR what happens when it actually gets built before you make any assumtions. ASSumptions are like people's okole's, everybody has one, some just stink worse than others.
on February 18,2014 | 01:27PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
MOVEONHON.
on February 18,2014 | 02:32PM
Giligan wrote:
Did you see inside the car? No handles for people to stand, and not much seats. When it is finished and not much riders, we will spend billions more to extend to UH and Kapolei City.
on February 19,2014 | 05:06AM
Hodad wrote:
And what is your transit solution or do you not think it is a problem like the rich old men in the lawsuit who wouldn't deem to ride public transit on Oahu?
on February 18,2014 | 12:45PM
what wrote:
Tunnel/bridge under/over Pearl Harbor, dedicated bus lanes through congested bottlenecks, expanded upgraded highways, flyover lanes, double deck Nimitz, improved managed traffic flows. Automobiles, even electric automobiles are the most efficient form of transportation, and contributes more to quality of life than a "rusty, screechy" standing room only train that doesn't go near your home, doesn't go where you want to go, and stops at 5 places on the way there.
on February 18,2014 | 01:56PM
WaialaeGuy wrote:
Yeah, try getting that past the the Navy. Double decking Nimitz could be pretty expensive. Also, too many vehicles on the road still can lead to congestion (even if they're electric).
on February 18,2014 | 02:16PM
what wrote:
If you think double decking Nimitz is expensive, you have no freaking clue how much Honolulu rail is costing.
on February 18,2014 | 07:59PM
bobbob wrote:
double decking nimitz was shut down by obstructionists. sound familiar?
on February 18,2014 | 09:19PM
Hodad wrote:
Yeah, Todd Apo thought they could build a tunnel too. Navy said no way. I guess you haven't spent time in the world's great cities...all of which have mass transit systems.
on February 18,2014 | 04:18PM
what wrote:
Navy officials have been receptive to bridges and tunnels on and off. Opinions change with the wind. It can be done. And don't tell me about "great cities" and transit, I have ridden transit in all the major cities of the world. Honolulu is not a big city. Get a clue.
on February 18,2014 | 08:00PM
Christopher_murp wrote:
And where will all these cars park (besides the obvious on the freeway answer)? If everyone drives their cars to one point on the island, parking has to be available. Additionally, besides the freeway needing additional lanes, the surface streets will need to be widened. At what point does gridlock need to occur for some people to decide that a mass transit system is needed? When it takes 4 hours to get to work and then another 2 hours to find parking? When parking near your place of work exceeds what you make? Or, maybe, like me, unwilling to deal w/ the hassles of traffic to Waikiki and finding a stall, everyone just doesn't go there. Of course, N. Shore is looking that way on the weekends too. 2 hours there and 2 hours back, not to mention a new set of brake pads.
on February 18,2014 | 05:14PM
what wrote:
Parking spots. You should look into them.
on February 18,2014 | 08:00PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Be like Mario Andretti and be a good driver like TheRainMan: I know this car; I'm a good driver. In fact I like driving the parking lot disguised as the H-1 West Pau Hana and H-1 East morning time. Get ways to navigate. Example: drive fast.
on February 19,2014 | 12:14AM
false wrote:
The problem, as many of our posters reiterate, is that it does not serve the original intended target- UH students going/coming from the Manoa campus. Instead, it terminates at the Ala Moana shopping mall. Those that think later on, that spur links to Manoa and Waikiki will be built, are out of their fantasizing. I truly believe that IFthe rail terminated at Manoa, that Oahu citizens would not be so upset. Let's see what the cost analysis to Manoa would be, instead of Ala Moana, then let the voters speak.
on February 18,2014 | 01:58PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
MOVEONHON.
on February 18,2014 | 02:31PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Interesting that I got to be the first to comment. As I was walking around near Jamba Juice at Kahala Mall, I seen the breaking news alert on my iPhone. So I thought about what to say: just Yay !!! was fine enough. I think we need to bury our differences and just get ALL ABOARD !!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 08:15PM
CouncilmanBerg wrote:
And the graft continues. While Orlando pursues a $800 million 40-mile fully elevated passenger rail, Honolulu gets a 20-mile rail for $5.2 billion. Don't blame HART, blame the voters that keep electing the con artists.
on February 18,2014 | 09:18AM
dyw001 wrote:
It's cheaper because it will run on existing rail freight tracks. Oh, by the way, one of those con artists that got elected was councilman Berg.
on February 18,2014 | 09:28AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Maybe CouncilmanBerg can appeal this to the US Supreme Court, its not like he has other things to do.
on February 18,2014 | 09:59AM
OldDiver wrote:
Governor Cayetano has indicated in the past this is the last legal avenue for this issue because it is not a constitutional issue.
on February 18,2014 | 10:20AM
kiragirl wrote:
We shall see who has the last laugh. Everyday when you sit in traffic, do not get upset. After rail is built YEARS from now and you are still sitting in traffic, do not get upset. For me, I do not commute much so already I am laughing. Too bad that all Hawaii will suffer for this rail project. Wait and see.
on February 18,2014 | 10:25AM
lookup wrote:
I agree with you Kiragirl...this rail project is not about easing traffic it is about financing big business and the building up of the water front area which they are already working on, at the expense of the tax payers who will unlikely benefit from any of this.
on February 18,2014 | 10:39AM
Hodad wrote:
No, it is about being able to move from point a to point b even when there is gridlock on the roads.
on February 18,2014 | 04:19PM
pakeheat wrote:
Problem is not everyone is starting at point a and end off at point b.
on February 18,2014 | 07:36PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
I believe it's about enriching PRP and their member unions, it will provide jobs for many years to come and make several of them rich. The cost is greatly inflated, in fact it will be the most expensive train ever built on a per mile basis. The train should have been built long ago when Fasi first proposed it, we would have got a lot more for our money.
on February 18,2014 | 08:13PM
Giligan wrote:
When we are near bankruptcy, we will surcharge all the union members.
on February 19,2014 | 05:08AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Btw Kira I seen u said u grad from Farrington: me too.
on February 18,2014 | 10:43AM
kiragirl wrote:
Alright! Go Govs! Boys basketball team got a chance in the State tournament.
on February 18,2014 | 11:35AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Ranked number three. Go Govs !!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 11:42AM
kiragirl wrote:
Ranked #2 after beating Campbell and Maryknoll losing. I won't ask you what year you graduated so I won't tell you mine. Go Govs!
on February 18,2014 | 12:31PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Eh Kira, class of '66. GO GOVS!!!
on February 18,2014 | 01:03PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Now we know why you think as you do. Farrington.
on February 18,2014 | 01:30PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Hard to imagine the rail NOT easing traffic. For a person to make an assumption such as yours is totally incomprehensible. There WILL be suffering, but it will be due to the building of the rail, not the after the rail is built.
on February 18,2014 | 01:30PM
kiragirl wrote:
Not an assumption. The City's own review stated as such. Where were you when that was mentioned Golfing?
on February 18,2014 | 01:59PM
OldDiver wrote:
Nope, it didn't say that.
on February 18,2014 | 03:28PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Haven't you noticed that when UH Manoa is not in session, the traffic on H-1 moves very quick. If the rail went to UH Manoa it likely will carry much more UH students as compared to having the rail end at Ala Moana shopping center. The rail was originally supposed to go to UH Manoa but they changed it. The same can be said for said for rail going to Waikiki. This is simple logic, not assumptions. Did too many golf balls hit you in the head?
on February 18,2014 | 07:29PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
It's clear that the rail path was chosen based on development opportunities, or what they now fashionably call TOD, transit oriented development. It's all about money, not traffic - always has been. This is about landowners and developers getting paid while the politicians rake in their cut in the form of campaign dollars for many years to come, a virtual gravy train if you will. Caldwell won't have to worry about re-election money .... ever.
on February 18,2014 | 08:20PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
MOVEONKIRA.
on February 18,2014 | 02:34PM
CouncilmanBerg wrote:
dyw001- "So 40-miles of existing freight track is already elevated on a fixed guideway in Orlando? Nope. Wrong again dyw001. Another example of pro railers lying, deceiving and manipulating the facts. VIDEO: Pro railer lies to Honolulu city council at hearing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyRhzndOYmI From the number of jobs being created to construct rail, to where the electricity will come from to power rail, to the ridership numbers- rail, one big con job. Watch video.
on February 18,2014 | 10:03AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Tom, you should shift your focus back to legalized Marijuana...that's seems to be working better.
on February 18,2014 | 10:14AM
ericryan808 wrote:
Working on taxpayer time using taxpayer computers to comment about rail. Sounds like the same old Keith Rollman.
on February 18,2014 | 10:44AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
My comments are made on my own time, my personal laptop and on a public wifi network. Eric may be more accurate about his own activities while on the taxpayer clock: A former staffer for City Councilman Tom Berg has claimed in a sworn affidavit that he collected $28,643 in city salary for 77 days of work he actually performed for Berg’s political campaign. The allegations from former Berg chief of staff Eric Ryan “are a complete lie, a fabrication,” Berg told the state Campaign Spending Commission today. Read the complete story here: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/council-member-tom-berg-calls-former-staffer-a-liar/123
on February 18,2014 | 03:48PM
ericryan808 wrote:
Actually, the truth is that City Prosecutors found Keith Rollman to be guilty of using City computers on City time, as reported by KITV: "Former Hannemann Aide Admits Anonymous Attacks - Keith Rollman Defends Using Ficticious Names During Rail Debate". Rollman barely skated going to jail for this. Now, he's probably doing the same thing at Bob McDermott's state capitol office. Shame. Auwe!! http://www.kitv.com/Former-Hannemann-Aide-Admits-Anonymous-Attacks/5345162
on February 18,2014 | 04:13PM
ericryan808 wrote:
Actually, KITV reported that Keith Rollman was found by City Prosecutors to be guilty of committing these same crimes at City Hall when working as Mufi Hannemann's crony, so he's probably up to no good at Bob McDermott's office at the State Capitol: "Former Hannemann Aide Admits Anonymous Attacks - Keith Rollman Defends Using Ficticious Names During Rail Debate". http://www.kitv.com/Former-Hannemann-Aide-Admits-Anonymous-Attacks/5345162
on February 18,2014 | 04:17PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
I rather doubt anyone was in danger of "going to jail" for using a screen name.
on February 18,2014 | 04:39PM
gsc wrote:
Hey Keith_Rollman, Ai Kae ......
on February 18,2014 | 10:56AM
ericryan808 wrote:
That's on the menu at Rollman's office every day, a McDermott family favorite.
on February 18,2014 | 11:32AM
Giligan wrote:
A small kine tax on marijuana will help pay for all the stuff the politicians are spending. Limited gambling too.
on February 19,2014 | 05:11AM
lwandcah wrote:
Keep up the good fight CB.
on February 18,2014 | 11:40AM
localguy wrote:
Existing elevated rail freight tracks? Really? Actually FL is jumping way ahead of the Nei's Jurassic steel on steel and looking at Maglev. So not using any existing tracks. http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/blog/latin/2014/02/maglev-train-bid-competition-gains-steam.html
on February 18,2014 | 05:27PM
FrankGenadio wrote:
You might be interested in the latest information. The Korean maglev at Incheon anticipates starting operations in April, and will likely be proposed as the transit system for an area of St. Petersburg, Russia. And the Chinese supplier intends to deliver ten 6-car trains for the Beijing system by the end of the year.
on February 19,2014 | 01:32AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
MOVEONBERG.
on February 18,2014 | 02:33PM
boshio wrote:
Great…Get on with the project and enough with this nonsense already.
on February 18,2014 | 09:29AM
false wrote:
Keep on spending money on under the table deal and corruption included. LOL Go rail go.
on February 18,2014 | 09:40AM
enoughisenough wrote:
The courts' rail rulings are disappointing but life goes on.
on February 18,2014 | 09:37AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
So you're saying we dont need an alternate form of transportation. The real disappointment is that people can see the ever impacting traffic problems we have here, and unless we start doing something about it-we'll spend half of our lives going from point A to point B.
on February 18,2014 | 10:24AM
kiragirl wrote:
Not a $5.2 billion alternative. And one that even the City stated won't reduce much traffic.
on February 18,2014 | 10:45AM
Mickels8 wrote:
It's not an alternative, rail replaces Hawaii's existing and award-winning public transit system (Express buses). As a former Kapolei to downtown Express bus rider, I can tell you first-hand that the rail system will increase the total transit time by at least one hour a day for public transit users. That's approximately 20 hours a month or 10 full days a year less time with the family so daily drivers can save a few minutes a day. To further compound the absurdity of rail, ALL public transit riders will pay higher fares to cover the operations and maintenance rail costs. The rail's "green" argument is also contrary to what pro-railers represent. Rail will require MORE buses overall and traveling on surface streets in a stop and go environment (mpg inefficient) to accommodate the rail stations' feeder schedules. As such, there will be increased traffic on surface streets and around rail stations. The system selected is antiquated steel track technology instead of mag-lev or flyovers. As almost everyone knows, steel doesn't do so well in Hawaii. To compound all of rail's deficiencies, the bid went to a candidate that wasn't even qualified to submit a proposal, continues to be financially insecure and promised the least number of Hawaii jobs. This is all so sad that it's almost funny...
on February 18,2014 | 11:31AM
Hodad wrote:
Steel seems to be doing OK in Vancouver. I think they have some salt water up there.
on February 18,2014 | 12:47PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Michels and Kiragirl, your logic behind your statements are totally invalid. To think that an additional mode of transportation will have NO effect on our traffic is reduculous. Go back to Farrington and get your diploma.
on February 18,2014 | 01:34PM
kiragirl wrote:
I know where you got your diploma from. The Crackerjack Box!
on February 18,2014 | 02:04PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!
on February 18,2014 | 04:01PM
8082062424 wrote:
the only people who will ride rail for the most part are those who ride the bus.. You may hope folks will give up there cars to ride rail but not many will.. in most homes both parents work they drop there kids off at school then pick them up after work and most stop at the store. you think they are going to do all of that on the rail. we pay car insurance car payments to have the comfort to drive not to sit on a bus or rail
on February 18,2014 | 02:45PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Many bus riders will NOT ride the rail. Taking an express bus to your destination will be much faster than taking shuttle buses to and from a rail station and then riding the rail to get to the desired destination.
on February 18,2014 | 07:34PM
miyviews wrote:
Based on Google.com/transit, using the C-bus from Kapolei Transit to Honolulu Downtown takes 54 minutes (6:55-7:49am). If using present 40-Bus system from Kapolei Transit to West Loch, which takes 19 minutes (7-7:19am) (nearest bus stop to a proposed station until Appendix D of AIS is executed for feeder bus to rail), and assuming 6 minute headways, 30 minute Rail ride from West Loch to Downtown station [7:25-7:55am] (source: honolulutransit.org), and a 6 minute walk to S. King St in town (maps.google.com, you will arrive in Downtown after 8am at 8:01am. Hardly 1 additional hour. And, no concern of the bus being stuck in traffic, both ways, increasing mobility to stay late or leave earlier due to less headways, at the rail and feeder bus system. And the folks like myself that uses the A bus located in between Downtown and Kapolei will have more mobility since the bus won't be stuck in traffic.
on February 18,2014 | 01:53PM
pakeheat wrote:
I already laughed so hard at this charade, can't laugh anymore, LOL.
on February 18,2014 | 07:41PM
false wrote:
Congrats, this whole thing is a fix from the ballot question on but its no surprise. This thing will be somehow built with all the shenanigans going on.
on February 18,2014 | 09:38AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
So in your mind the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals was in on the fix as well. Get a grip.
on February 18,2014 | 09:57AM
South76 wrote:
Isn't the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals a left-wing court? So won't they have voted for more studies and studies and studies?....So how can this be a fix.
on February 18,2014 | 10:01AM
kainalu wrote:
They have study the studies. Going on nearly 5 decades worth of "studies" going back to Frank Fasi's administration. There have been studies to study the studies. Rail has been studied to death, and still, the only thing they got right was to start building one. The route, the method, the cost - could have done better but, it's time to move one with what we got. We can always build on it in the future, aka, run a route from Ala Moana to UH, and other arteries - like connect to Central Oahu amongst others.
on February 18,2014 | 10:33AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Nicely said Kainalu.
on February 18,2014 | 01:35PM
pakeheat wrote:
First start on the current route, let's see if it is a success before moving on, don't daydream.
on February 18,2014 | 07:44PM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
GAME OVER! Time for all you anti-rail belly-achers to hop on the money train! There is absolutely nothing that can stop this project. I am set for life as a union employee. GO RAIL GO!!!!!!!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 09:42AM
myviewofthings wrote:
RAH JAH DAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 09:56AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
How old r u? Do u have at least 20 more years before retirement?
on February 18,2014 | 09:56AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Not really stay tuned - game is not over yet
on February 18,2014 | 11:08AM
MKN wrote:
I think the only thing that could stop rail now is finding an old Hawaiian Cemetary along the route. The core samples that they did were inadequate since they didn't dig in all of the places that the rail stations will be located. When all is said and done, I think this is going to cost closer to $-87 Billion due to a major redesign of the route and/or rail station locations.
on February 18,2014 | 12:04PM
MKN wrote:
I meant $7 to 8 Billion.
on February 18,2014 | 12:37PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
It's going to cost double whatever they say it will. Just like the H-3 did.
on February 18,2014 | 08:27PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
MOVEONRAP.
on February 18,2014 | 02:43PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
That was the plan from day one, never was it about traffic, only money and union jobs.
on February 18,2014 | 08:26PM
myviewofthings wrote:
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHOOCHOOCHOOOCHOOOCCCCHHHHOOOOCCHHHOOOOOOOOOCCHHHHHCCCOOOOOOOOOC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 09:55AM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
Eloquently said my friend. Agree with your statement. GO RAI GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 10:08AM
hawaiiwalter wrote:
This is nothing but a money pit. It goes from no where to a shopping center. And that tax surcharge is never going to end so get used to it. Any who voted for this fiasco is nuts.
on February 18,2014 | 09:59AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
So you understand that the beginning and end of the routes are only a temporary plan, and of course you've come to the realization that there will be extensions in the future to encompass additional rail? Anybody who is against the rail obviously doesnt understand it, and yes, is also NUTS!
on February 18,2014 | 10:37AM
lwandcah wrote:
And the cost of those "extensions in the future " is....? one or two more billion? No wait, with the escalation in materials and labor, along with the added congestion of the Kakaako development explosion, we may be looking at three B. Anyone who thinks they understands is kidding themselves. This is not the mainland, and we don't have the density of population what would justify it.
on February 18,2014 | 11:48AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Not against rail per say, just against the giant taxpayer rip off that's occurring as we speak. The main beneficiaries will be PRP, union members and politicians. Everyone else will get scrod royal.
on February 18,2014 | 08:30PM
davidpittman wrote:
Sad day for the great city of Honolulu. While the rail plan is a misguided attempt to relieve a horrible traffic mess on the Leeward side of the island, the real damage is the visual scar of the project that will further diminish the physical beauty of the city. Of course the real shame is the cost of the project and the inevitable expense of maintaining this service. And of course it will only help a fraction of the people who must make the commute in to town. I wish the electorate was able to comprehend where this will all lead.
on February 18,2014 | 10:05AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Downtown Miami is full of this way and that way steel structures supporting many roadways going back and forth. More crowding will cause more people hiding behind nooks and cranies (note blight of tents all over downtown Honolulu). Then again we will not have the rail going to Hawaii Kai, go okay fine.
on February 18,2014 | 10:14AM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
DP, the fraction of people this will help is obviously double in the sense that yes, it will help the fraction that are actually getting off the freeway, and since people will be getting off the freeway, it will help thise that remain ON the freeway.
on February 18,2014 | 01:38PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Another wooden stake in the heart of the wooden stake in the heart guy.
on February 18,2014 | 10:13AM
OldDiver wrote:
Finally, no more endless cut and paste wooden stake posts. :)
on February 18,2014 | 10:22AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Did kuniarr move?
on February 18,2014 | 02:46PM
DowntownGreen wrote:
Passed away.
on February 18,2014 | 08:44PM
localguy wrote:
True. But the C&P posts from paid rail bloggers like OldDiver and BluesBreaker will never end. More recycled shibai posts. Hard to believe HART pays you $1 per post. Then again, you get what you pay for.
on February 18,2014 | 11:12PM
kainalu wrote:
Touché!
on February 18,2014 | 10:34AM
medicinecrow65 wrote:
Exactly what my first thought was.
on February 18,2014 | 12:53PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
HART WINS! HART WINS! HART WINS!
on February 18,2014 | 10:13AM
inlanikai wrote:
The people lose!
on February 18,2014 | 10:17AM
islandsun wrote:
But lots of people gonna get RICH!
on February 18,2014 | 01:00PM
bsbsbs wrote:
no, just a few - but filthy rich.
on February 18,2014 | 05:28PM
MKN wrote:
Of course, that means that all of us as taxpayers are going to have to bite the major tax bullet coming up.
on February 18,2014 | 12:06PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
BluesBreaker wrote: "HART WINS! HART WINS! HART WINS!"

Yeah, except this wasn't ever supposed to be about HART and what was best for them in their $1.4 million/yr high rise.

This was supposed to be about traffic relief for weary Kapolei and Ewa residents and UH commuters. It got hijacked by developers and the construction industry and got turned it arguably world's most expensive train running from a powerful and plugged in developer's newest sprawl to the upscale shopping mall. And the "temporary" rail tax? Mayor Caldwell just admitted they need to make it permanent to have enough money to run this train back and forth to the mall.

Ansaldo and HART are still pretending that inside looks like the train shown during Mufi's infamous virtual train ride, when it's actually a hard plastic shell where they intend to cram more than 85 people in a space they show seating for 16.

But you are right. The winners here are the bureaucrats and developer and construction insiders at HART.


on February 18,2014 | 12:12PM
ShibaiDakine wrote:
You forgot tomentionthe bankers.;)
on February 18,2014 | 02:30PM
localguy wrote:
HART Bureaucrats are too busy with their rail coloring books to have a clue what is going on.
on February 18,2014 | 11:16PM
Rapanui00 wrote:
far from it - the people of Hawaii Loose and everybody that supports this criminal enterprise should be ashamed of themselves…its not over yet as I predict another battle will be fought.
on February 18,2014 | 01:55PM
localguy wrote:
Be careful what you wish for. You may get it. Now comes the endless change orders, bonus payments for HART & Grabby Boy, more taxes for tax payers to subsidize the wasteful HART spending on loser contractors like Anseldo. Not to mention kick backs, sweetheart deals, Nei standard. Yes, your $10 Billion Mufi Choo Choo is set to go, sad day for the Nei.
on February 18,2014 | 11:15PM
Wazdat wrote:
Bend over here comes the train
on February 18,2014 | 10:28AM
Frances wrote:
Ok, now, everyone sing along..."You've gotta have HART....all you really need is HART....!" lol...seriously folks, the transit system is needed primarily to curb increasing congestion on existing roadways, and to connect primary and secondary urban centers. It supports the Oahu General Plan and state transportation plans. And, if I recall correctly, the voters have supported transit. My only wish is that Mayor Eileen Anderson had not blocked the light-rail project years ago, when we could have had 90% federal funding.
on February 18,2014 | 10:42AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Frances wrote: "if I recall correctly, the voters have supported transit."

You don't seem to concerned that the train "voters approved" doesn't look anything like the train that our Mayor and Ansaldo is delivering. It doesn't start from where it was supposed to start or go where it was supposed to go. There is currently no plan to pay for it's operations, but Kirk Caldwell is already breaking the promise of the "temporary" rail tax as he desperately tries to make the promised temporary rail tax permanent.

Mufi Hannemann began the lie that passengers on this train would sit comfortably in plush, roomy forward facing seats in his infamous and ridiculous 'virtual train ride' and the mock-up that Ansaldo delivered last week continues this lie. In fact, passengers are expected to cram into these rail cars like sardines.

In the same space that they fit 16 comfortable, forward facing seats in their "full scale mock-up," HART expects there to be 90 passengers crammed in with a few hard plastic benches long the sides.

Every promise about this project has turned out to be a lie, so don't crow about how the voters approved it unless you are talking about a $3.2 billion train that runs from Ewa and Kapolei, goes to UH, has roomy, comfortable, plush forward facing seats like first class on a jumbo jet and is funded by a "temporary" tax.


on February 18,2014 | 10:47AM
Frances wrote:
"Shall the powers, duties, and functions of the city, through its director of transportation services, include establishment of a steel wheel on steel rail transit system?" This is the question voters decided in 2008. All my earlier post mentioned was that the voters supported transit.
on February 18,2014 | 11:54AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
The transit they thought they were getting was a $3.2 billion train that runs from Ewa and Kapolei, goes to UH, has roomy, comfortable, plush forward facing seats like first class on a jumbo jet and is funded by a "temporary" tax.

How would you feel if you went out to buy a car, want a Toyota Camry, but when it came time to get your car, the dealership delivered a 2002 Suburban at twice the agreed upon price instead?

Wouldn't you feel angry and cheated when they said, "you said you wanted to buy a car, this is a car. What are you complaining about, do you how many jobs keeping this lemon running is going to create?"


on February 18,2014 | 01:01PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
MOVEONKALA.
on February 18,2014 | 02:48PM
localguy wrote:
$3.2 billion dollar choo choo? Try $10 billion when it is all done. Typical fraud, abuse, corruption, incompetency, kickbacks, sweetheart deals, just another day in the Nei.
on February 18,2014 | 11:17PM
MKN wrote:
@Frances: Actually Eileen Anderson didn't block rail all those years ago. That was the city council's fault for voting 5-4 against the project.
on February 18,2014 | 12:33PM
Frances wrote:
No, the Council vote that killed transit in the early 1990s was when Rene Mansho cast the deciding vote - when we could have gotten 80% federal funding. Eileen Anderson, shortly after her inaugration as Mayor in 1981, killed an excellent transit project planned by a guy with major federal transportation experience and credentials.
on February 18,2014 | 09:15PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
FINALLY! Let's get this rail project moving QUICKER! And to all the naysayers you can ride it after it is built!
on February 18,2014 | 10:44AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
foolish comments from you Kapolei -
on February 18,2014 | 11:08AM
CouncilmanBerg wrote:
Honolulu's Rail Summed Up In 22 Seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOJIETN4XWQ
on February 18,2014 | 12:00PM
kiragirl wrote:
To Mr. Cayetano and his supporting members, MAHALO for trying. After rail is built and traffic is bad and our property taxes must be raised to pay for the annual operation of rail, then the truth will surface. Already it is surfacing by the extension of the rail surcharge being discussed by our mayor.
on February 18,2014 | 10:49AM
Wazdat wrote:
Agree. I too will laugh at all the people who think this will help the daily commute. ENJOY..hahahaha
on February 18,2014 | 11:08AM
Hodad wrote:
Are you thanking these selfish old men for increasing the cost of the project through their delaying tactics?
on February 18,2014 | 11:17AM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
To all my pro rail brothers and sisters thank you for fighting this righteous battle - we have won. To all my iunion brothers and sisters working in rail -we get jobs for life! Mahalo to our first brave leader Mufi Hanneman for guding us in the beginning and of course Mahal to Sen. Daniel K. Inouye for steering us onward! We will be forever grateful! Anti railers need to learn to live with it. Nothing can stop us now. GO RAIL GO!!!!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 11:04AM
MKN wrote:
jotobuddy123: If you think you have jobs for life, I have a bridge that I want to sell to you. It's really cheap. LOL! At best, you will have a job for the next 10 years. Then after we figure out that we have too many people living on Oahu and that we are running out of water (which is actually happening worldwide), it will be too late to do anything about it and the only people that will be left living here on Oahu will be the rich and the upper middle class because the rest of the people won't be able to afford it.
on February 18,2014 | 12:30PM
myviewofthings wrote:
bye bye then
on February 18,2014 | 02:07PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
This isn't news. Only the lawyers are benefiting from these silly lawsuits. Like I said a long time ago, once the vote was in, the rail was going to happen whether we like it or not, will use it or not, or voted for it or not. Walla! The most entertaining part though is reading those posts from folks that do not live in rail areas and so are grumbling about paying for it. I enjoy those the most!
on February 18,2014 | 11:16AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
HAJAA1 wrote: "The most entertaining part though is reading those posts from folks that do not live in rail areas and so are grumbling about paying for it. I enjoy those the most!"

How do you feel about the electrician gloating about his big house in Hawaii Kai and all the money he's going to make off the hapless taxpayers? Do you enjoy that too?


on February 18,2014 | 11:58AM
entrkn wrote:
Tooooot, Tooooot, I hear that much needed train a coming.
on February 18,2014 | 12:18PM
drtko147 wrote:
Let's move on with this project. I just hope that the opponents for the project are willing to pay for the legal fees that have been added to the cost of the project which we the taxpayers are paying for.
on February 18,2014 | 12:34PM
hon2255 wrote:
Idiots that want this project dont realize that studies did show and City acknowledges the rail will not decrease existing traffic problems with the ridership, the bus system will get them there faster using the express bus from Kapolei, the system was suppose to go up to intendted destination of UH Manoa and doesn't, Old Technology,steel on steel noisy , using a bankrupt company as Ansaldo to build the train , all fingers point to developers only interested in fattening their pockets and the politicians that had their hand out! what a bunch of crooks. Same ones who take forever to build projects at UH ,take too long, poor workmanship by the Union Workers, having to change design because the initial designs were flawed in some way ,what incompetence,
on February 18,2014 | 01:16PM
Rite80 wrote:
None of what you said is true.
on February 18,2014 | 01:38PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
Again I dont understand: By adding another form of transportation to the equation that the traffic will not improve. HOW CAN IT NOT IMPOROVE? IF YOU TAKE 1 PERSON OFF THE FREEWAY, IT IMPROVES BY 1 PERSON> Please educate yourself and not rely on these so-called studies.
on February 18,2014 | 01:46PM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
Now ithat we are victorious and there is no way to stop this project, it is time for our elected officials to beging the discussion of raising the general excise tax a FULL 1%. This will ensure more money to pay for future costs. I don't mind paying a little extra to cover rail. GO RAIL GO!!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 01:00PM
Kapcity wrote:
What happen to the wooden stake guy....he was always the first to comment.....crying huh huh huh
on February 18,2014 | 01:30PM
Rapanui00 wrote:
I wouldn't bet on it - the games not over yet...
on February 18,2014 | 01:56PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
With all the polls going around, it would have been interesting and perhaps useful if there were a poll asking if residents still support the rail project and want to proceed as planned.
on February 18,2014 | 02:14PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Finally, full steam ahead!! No more frivolous lawsuits, crying, lying and groaning. Most of the cost over run is because of the obstructionist. Honolulu taxpayers should sue Slater and the lot for these over runs. Time to step aside and move Honolulu into a modern city. IMUA!
on February 18,2014 | 02:29PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Amen
on February 18,2014 | 05:29PM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
With our victory today I now belive it is time for our elected officials to begin the ptocess of raising the GET a FULL 1%.I also agree that Mayor Caldwelll should be given the power to raise the GET as he sees fit when it comes to rail. With this win, we have a mandate to continue this project island wide. GO RAIL GO!!!!
on February 18,2014 | 02:39PM
Shellback wrote:
Let's extend the rail to UH Manoa and build a spur into Waikiki.
on February 18,2014 | 02:53PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Shellback wrote: Let's extend the rail to UH Manoa and build a spur into Waikiki.

Are buying?

Because there's no money.


on February 18,2014 | 03:35PM
lbrighter wrote:
Majority of the ridership will be the tourist transporting from Ala Moana to the Kapolei. That was the plan all along, meanwhile the freeway will still crawl like a snail. It's sad......so sad.
on February 18,2014 | 03:10PM
MightyMakiki wrote:
You are wrong. Please give it up
on February 18,2014 | 03:17PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Why would tourists want to go to Kapolei?
on February 18,2014 | 07:39PM
localguy wrote:
Why would anyone want to go there. Seen one island area, you have seen them all.
on February 18,2014 | 11:18PM
MightyMakiki wrote:
Yup! ---- Last stop. Give it up boys...
on February 18,2014 | 03:15PM
DAGR81 wrote:
We may need the rail, but the way its currently designed and being implemented is the real problem. We are foolishly wasting millions of dollars fumbling around with this thing. It was not well planned and requires many expensive changes as it moves along. The City and County of Honolulu never did have competent planners. We will just have to accept the situation as it is and pay for this damn thing.;
on February 18,2014 | 03:24PM
mcc wrote:
Look forward to higher taxes! Meanwhile, our homeless continue to be neglected by our politicians...I forgot, they don't vote or have money for bribes.
on February 18,2014 | 03:54PM
sailfish1 wrote:
The homeless will take over the rail stations - rest rooms and ride to IHS for meals.
on February 18,2014 | 07:47PM
localguy wrote:
No rest rooms at rail stations. No requirement for them. Just more wasted tax dollars.
on February 18,2014 | 11:18PM
Ronin006 wrote:
I am looking forward to reading the comments from all the pro-railers when HART announces a $1 billion or more “inflation adjusted” increase in the cost of the project. The project originally was estimated to cost $3.7 billion, a figure used for three or four years. It skyrocketed overnight to $5.2 billion in 2008 for what the city called an “inflation adjusted” increase and has been stuck on that amount ever since. Six years is a very long time for cost to remain unchanged. It is only a matter of time before HART makes another very significant “inflation adjusted” cost increase with Oahu residents being responsible to funding the entire increase. I wonder what the pro-railers will say when that occurs.
on February 18,2014 | 04:03PM
JohnD2 wrote:
The courts wouldn't save the Nation from Obamacare, and now they won't save Honolulu from the rail project. Good law, lousy result.
on February 18,2014 | 04:19PM
pridon wrote:
Sad day for Honolulu taxpayers.
on February 18,2014 | 04:24PM
krusha wrote:
Not sure why you say it's a sad day, since it's these same tax payers who voted to have this project proceed in the first place. The people have already spoken, so let this thing move forward already.
on February 18,2014 | 04:52PM
krusha wrote:
Uncle Ben should just give up already, since they are going to get defeated again and again with all these lawsuits designed to delay this project. All it is doing is driving up the costs for everyone the longer it takes to build this thing.
on February 18,2014 | 04:51PM
Anonymous wrote:
Let's have rail. More jobs for out of state people. Special group of people becoming millionaires. Lots of noise from steel on steel. More places to have graffiti. More robberies at the rail station and parking lots. More taxes. Less traffic congestion. More of our leaders learning to become money mongrels. We will need rail also on the Windward side, the east side too.
on February 18,2014 | 05:41PM
jotobuddy123 wrote:
More jobs for us union guys! This ruling is like winng mega bucks in Vegas for this union electrician!
on February 18,2014 | 06:08PM
pakeheat wrote:
I hope you lose your pants too in Las Vegas, LOL.
on February 18,2014 | 07:54PM
Skyler wrote:
Yes, some will 'get theirs' while the rest of the island population suffers. Oh well, what do you care - you got yours; scrw everyone else. That's the problem with this whole rail bs. It's all about the money, nothing else.
on February 19,2014 | 01:30AM
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