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OHA's Crabbe wants delay in nation-building process

By Star-Advertiser staff

LAST UPDATED: 12:34 p.m. HST, May 29, 2014

The Office of Hawaiian Affairs' top administrator is recommending a six-month to nine-month delay in its nation-building process to conduct further education about the issues surrounding the establishment of a Hawaiian government.

In addition, OHA CEO Kamana'opono Crabbe on Thursday offered two alternative options for adding people to the list of those who would participate in the nation-building:

>> Including those who have signed up for the OHA Registry Program, which provides those who can prove their Hawaiian heritage with an official card that verifies ancestry.

>> Starting a new registration process separate from OHA.

The OHA trustees on Thursday held a public hearing on the nation-building process. The trustees said they would not make a decision on Crabbe's proposals until later.

As it stands now, May 1 was the final day to register to participate in the nation-building effort, and the official roll is expected to be certified by the Native Hawaiian Roll Commission next month.

The current timeline calls for the election of delegates in September. A convention, or 'aha, to draft a governing document, would happen in October or November. An up-or-down vote on the document would be held in January with only those listed on the official roll eligible to vote.

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DiverDave wrote:
Well "The Office of Hawaiian Affairs' top administrator is recommending a six-month to nine-month delay in its nation-building process". "Its"? And all this time they have been saying that they were "neutral", and would have a "hands off" policy in any nation building. Once again they prove they do not want to turn this over to the people on the "roll"(which only about 35,000 have physically signed, the rest of the names were dumped on it with names from the illegally raced based Kamehameha School students and other previous failed signups) but want to maintain control, against the rule of law, and against what they have been saying all along. Crabbe of course wants more time to continue his delusional quest to reinstate a "Kingdom", and others just want to be called "Indians" in order to keep their "free" stuff before it is taken away by lawsuits claiming raced based illegality of such programs. The short of it is that OHA still has no clue as to what path they should or want to take, and Crabbe is leading this boat without a rudder, just taking the Board around and around in circles with David Sai "The Kingdom is still alive" nonsense.
on May 29,2014 | 12:32PM
Mythman wrote:
Err, Mr DD, rare when I agree with something you note but in this case, it is fundamentally relevant: the law suit that found each and every iteration of the state's scheme unconstitutional already took place: namely Rice v Cayetano. No further legal action is required. What this is all about is a frantic attempt to try to salvage something from that adverse ruling. I doubt it's a very smart idea to make more promises you know you cannot keep. Dr Crabbe doesn't want to be the fall guy, as there always is a fall guy when this level of deception is ongoing. What is at stake for being divided is the paltry resources, land and money, the state managed to sequester as if it belongs to the OHA and not to some of those in whose name they took it. Now, there is where some lawsuits are surely going to come and a guy like Dr Crabbe could end up having to pay up out of his own pocket.
on May 29,2014 | 12:41PM
what wrote:
The Office of Hawaiian Racism is an archaic relic from a time gone by that needs to be buried. Step forward, not backwards.
on May 29,2014 | 01:48PM
bekwell wrote:
So what will they call him? King Crabbe?
on May 29,2014 | 04:46PM
Skyler wrote:
Been done to death already, but yeah.
on May 29,2014 | 08:25PM
kuroiwaj wrote:
Mahalo DiverDave, I went back in my records and found a sermon by Kahu Reverend Doctor Abraham K. Akaka presented at Kawaiahao Church on March 13, 1959. Kahu Akaka opened with "One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." He also stated, "We need to see that Hawaii has the potential moral and spiritual contributions to make our nation and to our world" and ended with "Aloha ke Akua." Yet, OHA is attempting to do Nation Building in order to separate Hawaii's people, all in opposition to Kahu Akaka. How sad.
on May 29,2014 | 01:49PM
boolakanaka wrote:
What is sad, is taking something without the context of time and history, and making rather profound assumptions about what their intent and opinion may be 55 years later. No one person holds our individual and collective divinity, and further, to extrapolate the Kahu Akaka's words for your own political perspective, is not ma'a.
on May 29,2014 | 02:43PM
kuroiwaj wrote:
Sorry Boolakanaka, reason I noted the date, it's the day following the Congressional approval of Hawaii becoming the 50th State of the United States of America.
on May 29,2014 | 03:23PM
Mythman wrote:
As I've often commented the Aloha Spirit was a creation of Kahu Akaka, not of Hawaiian culture per se, modern or ancient.
on May 29,2014 | 02:44PM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
Jimmy Kuroiwa (kuroiwaj), I think I have a solution that you Republicans can wrap your arms around. Create the Hawaiian nation that existed just prior to the overthrow. Install a King that is an alcoholic (a Kalakaua type), who in order to satisfy his kingdom's desire for a good ole time of drinking partying, doing the hula and living off welfare (the Merrie Monarch style) borrows huge sums of money from the industrialists (the Claus Spreckels types) in order to pay for the partying to the point that he cannot it pay back so that the industrialists can brag, like Spreckels truthfully did, that they own the King of Hawaii. After the industrialists totally control the King, they should transplant their Walmart type manufacturing operations from Communist China to the kingdom, bring Asian workers, like your ancestors, at slave wages, working conditions and living conditions, and produce consumer products dirt cheap. But the industrialists can do one better --- they can avoid duties and tariffs because the Kingdom would be a nation within a nation. After all, the inability of the Hawaii sugar plantation owners to avoid the U.S. two cent a ton foreign sugar tariff is what caused them to overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
on May 29,2014 | 02:45PM
kuroiwaj wrote:
EducatedLocalBoy, didn't know you wanted to create a corrupt Hawaiian nation, as existed just prior to the overthrow. Interesting.
on May 29,2014 | 03:12PM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
Jimmy, I don't want a corrupt Hawaiian nation, I'm just saying that a corrupt Hawaiian Kingdom controlled by the Republican Party is what existed at the time of its overthrow. Remember Claus Spreckels was against the overthrow. He was willing to live with the two cent a ton U.S. tariff because he had something better a head monarch under his thumb. The so-called Bayonet Constitution was Kalakaua's characterization --- the "bayonet" in his case was the threat of the Hawaiian Kingdom being the functional equivalent of being foreclosed on for failure to pay its loans. Iolani Palace being sold at a foreclosure auction to Spreckels since he, as the judgment debtor, could credit bid on the Palace. Then Kalakaua and the other alii would have to rent it from Spreckels for their parties.
on May 29,2014 | 06:58PM
MoTown808 wrote:
Don't let DiverDave fool you folks!

DiverDave is wrong again and what ever credibility he ever had continues to decline rapidly. DiverDave wrote, the rest of the names were dumped on it with names from the illegally raced based Kamehameha School students . . . .

DiverDave is lying.

The names of Kamehameha graduates are not dumped into the Official Roll. Act 77 (aka Hawaii Revised Statutes 10H-3) simplifies the ancestry verification process of the Native Hawaiian Roll Commission by allowing Native Hawaiians, whose ancestry has already been verified by Kamehameha Schools, to sign-up with the Roll Commission by using their ancestry verification forms from Kamehameha Schools rather than submit birth certificates all over again.

The law specifically states,

For purposes of establishing the roll, a "qualified Native Hawaiian" means an individual whom the commission determines has satisfied the following criteria and who makes a written statement certifying that the individual: . . . is . . . An individual who meets the ancestry requirements of Kamehameha Schools or of any Hawaiian registry program of the office of Hawaiian affairs . . . .

You can read it yourself by going to www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol01_Ch0001-0042F/HRS0010H/HRS_0010H-0003.htm
on May 29,2014 | 02:47PM
DiverDave wrote:
Only 35,000 signatures were actually signed on the roll by people. The rest were dumped. 500 people have found their names illegally entered without their consent and have asked for them to be removed. Those are the facts Jack!
on May 29,2014 | 09:26PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
There you go again, you cannot admit you are wrong, Kenny (BTW everyone - DiverDave and Ken_Conklin are the same person) MoTown808 is clearly not disputing the transfer of names. A simple 8th grade reading level provides the insight and proof in his post above that your claim that transferred names are of Kamehameha schools students is wrong. Everyone knows that the transfer was off Kau Inoa rolls. You said - "dumped ... with names from the illegally raced based Kamehameha School students" No one transferred student data from Kamehameha Schools as you just asserted since school records are confidential files. Facts are facts, which you lack. again. as usual. You know, like how I is not II. Yeah, like that.
on May 29,2014 | 09:49PM
MoTown808 wrote:
Who disputed the transfer of names?

Because both the State House and Senate passed, and the Governor signed into law, legislation that authorized the transfer of names, there were no illegal name transfers.

You realize the ignorance of your statement right? If the speed limit on the H1 Freeway is 55mph, but later a law changes the speed limit to 65 mph, then driving at 65mph after the law allows the change doesn't mean someone is driving illegally when they drive at 65mph.

The facts are:
1. You are lying.
2. You make up your own facts.
3. You are unreliable
on May 30,2014 | 02:03PM
hanalei395 wrote:
The federal government annoncement yesterday that the government is considering a government-to-government relationship with Hawaiians, has turned some timelines around.
on May 29,2014 | 01:01PM
DiverDave wrote:
hanalei395 is wrong and spreading misinformation as always. Interior spokeswoman Jessica Kershaw said Tuesday that the administration isn’t necessarily moving forward with a proposed rule change, but is “just signaling that we are considering doing that.” "Once an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking is published, public input will be solicited," she said
on May 29,2014 | 01:20PM
8082062424 wrote:
you may not want to admit it but that fact they even willing to consider it is a huge step forward.
on May 29,2014 | 02:00PM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
8082062424, you are absolutely correct. The Fed's actions mean that the rule change is a fait accompli.
on May 29,2014 | 03:00PM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
DiverDan, you are totally ignorant of how the Federal Government works. Once an "Advanced Notice of Rule Change" is published, then with little fanfare, a "Notice of Rule Change" is published. After a "Notice of Rule Change" is published, despite the good logic of public comments that call for not changing the rule are submitted, the rule is changed, with cosmetic "accommodations to public comments" being incorporated into the rule change. The public comment that the rule should not be changed is always explained away as being wrong by the Federal Administrative Agency who published the Notice of Rule Change.
on May 29,2014 | 02:58PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Educated- lucid and cogent. That was a very nice summary of the advance rule making process.
on May 29,2014 | 03:33PM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
Boolakanaka, thanks for recognizing that I know what I'm typing about.
on May 29,2014 | 07:20PM
kuroiwaj wrote:
Hey EducatedLocalBoy, you know I have been involved in "Rule Changes" with the Dept. of Labor and Dept. of Commerce. You know that any "Rule Change" are made conforming to an existing law, or could be a recommendation to making a law through Congress. Maybe the Dept. of Indian Affairs are attempting to do something "illegal" and not within the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). We shall see.
on May 29,2014 | 04:13PM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
Jimmy, your explanation is only partially correct. An administrative rule in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFRs) is the pronouncement of the Federal agency that was created to administer a statute as to "flesh out" what that statute means. Contrary to what you stated, a rule change cannot be "a recommendation to making a law through Congress." What the Obama Administration is doing at the behest of the Hawaii Democrats like his parents schoolmate Neil, is copy what your beloved Republicans did under George W. Bush --- interpret a statute in a novel way. I agree with you, under Junior Bush, the Republicans did illegal things by adopting administrative rules that were outside the scope of the statute the agency was supposed to enforce.
on May 29,2014 | 07:10PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
DíaperDave is wrong. Please read what hanalei935 wrote. Jessica Kershaw said " considering doing that (proposed rule change in regards to Hawaiians)...." hanalei935 said " considering a government to government relationship..." They both said "considering" and so they are the same.
on May 29,2014 | 09:37PM
headcheese wrote:
All part of the bumpy road to independence.
on May 29,2014 | 01:09PM
boshio wrote:
Take all the time needed to get it right, like forever.
on May 29,2014 | 01:45PM
Anonymous wrote:
One fundamental question that each Hawaiian will have to reconcile is whether he or she is better off as an American citizen or as a citizen of a new Hawaiian nation. This question cannot even be posed yet because nobody knows what the new Hawaiian nation will look like. But benefits like Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, WIC, 8(a) set asides, etc. will probably be forfeited to someone who renounces his/her citizenship. Of course the plus side may be no more county, state or federal taxes. It'll be interesting to see how the new model of a Hawaiian nation develops.
on May 29,2014 | 01:12PM
hanalei395 wrote:
"will probably be forfeited". ...... Hey, dopey, don't worry about it.
on May 29,2014 | 01:24PM
what wrote:
The benefactors are salivating at the prospect of double the free stuff. Free stuff from USA, and free stuff from whatever deformed child OHA would begat.
on May 29,2014 | 01:51PM
Slow wrote:
The Hawaiians I know don't want stuff free, dumb. They want freedom.
on May 29,2014 | 02:37PM
what wrote:
Haha, so deluded. Hawaiians have freedom! They have the freedom to practice and advance their culture, and have self-determination through a representative government. They have all the rights any other human being has.
on May 29,2014 | 03:01PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Don't want, don't need "free stuff". It's just a little retribution, a way of honoring na kupuna o Hawai'i, of what happened on Jan. 17, 1893, and Aug. 12, 1898, .... dates that will live in infamy.
on May 29,2014 | 03:05PM
Skyler wrote:
Freedom... from what or do do what, exactly? Can you please explain this? Thanks.
on May 29,2014 | 08:30PM
Mythman wrote:
Err, may I interject in the learned narrative of my friend Mr Anon by noticing that if one wants to get a look at what an OHA controlled nation would look like all one has to do is take a look at just about any of the homeland areas today as that is all "governed" by the state and the titles to those lands are now in the OHA's hands. The whole thing is a crazy debacle set up by social workers back in the day for reasons of that time, none of which make sense and have not made sense for a long time. But unlike the rest of us, the OHA gets subsidized by the state so keeps going on and on and on and on and on.
on May 29,2014 | 02:43PM
EducatedLocalBoy wrote:
Anonymous, American Indians on the reservations are both American citizens and citizens of their Tribe. They don't have to forfeit anything. If this nation to nation recognition goes through the citizens of the Native Hawaiian nation will not have to renounce their American citizenship. Also, they will not have to forfeit their right to social security if they otherwise qualify for it by having worked for 40 quarters, and thus paid FICA taxes towards accruing Social Security benefits,
on May 29,2014 | 07:15PM
Bully wrote:
Funny, I dont think the trustees like the CEO telling them what to do. Its supposed to be the other way around. We tell you and you get it done. I bet they will try to fire him soon.
on May 29,2014 | 02:40PM
paulokada wrote:
Okay, get onboard everybody. We don't want to leave anybody out.
on May 29,2014 | 03:02PM
gsc wrote:
on May 29,2014 | 03:42PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Looks like we may need more tee shirts.
on May 29,2014 | 06:40PM
CloudForest wrote:
The nation you are part of is called the United States of America. We, as a nation, support you, protect you and relish your participation in our country. Please remember that it is ... "out of many - One." So called "Hawaiian People" are no more "Hawaiian" than any other person born in Hawaii is - after all, that is the very definition of being Hawaiian, is the fact that they were born and raised here. Disband and join the modern era and quit this fantasy that you choose to create from a mythological adherence to the past that is long gone.
on May 29,2014 | 08:02PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Get the OFFICIAL definition of the term "Hawaiian" in the Hawai'i State Constitution. (You, CloudForest, are, no doubt, a non-Hawaiian)
on May 29,2014 | 09:53PM
CloudForest wrote:
Your "official definition" is racist to it's core - the "Original Hawaiians" were from Tahiti and other Pacific Islands - just as today's Hawaiians are from all over the globe. Born in Hawaii = Hawaiian, no matter your ethnic background or skin color. Yet, I might ask - whom would be king? And - king of what exactly? Even more importantly - king of who?
on May 30,2014 | 01:47AM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
on May 29,2014 | 09:54PM
mikaele1 wrote:
Bottom line; what is transpiring with the feds looking to establish a nation within a nation is a good thing and will allow resources to be consolidated and a better governance to manage these resources. OHA has been a big disappointment but that will not transfer to the new model. the new model will be administrated pono with the young educated Hawaiian super stars taking over from the long bag tired warriors. Need to look to the vision of the future in a positive way and this will be good for all of Hawaii nui.
on May 29,2014 | 09:00PM
HOSSANA wrote:
"The self-righteous rhetoric on self-determination comes easy but when the opportunity to end dependency on the state becomes reality, they all back down." Talk is cheap but should the Hawaiian nation be recognized and have self-determination, all dependency on the state will be absolved and then what?? How will the maka'aina survive w/o welfare, medicare, medicaid, social security, benefits befitting one living on the beach....oh, well, I'm sure the the alii will take care of their people just as they have been doing for the past 100 yrs. Yeah, right, remember when the Hawaiians were established in all the leadership positions in the state with Chief Justice Richardson, head of the State Supreme Court, and with Peters and Dickie Wong as House Speaker and Senate President and Waihee as Governor...what then...then Richardson makes a deceptive move from Chief Justice to Bishop Estate Trustee and the same goes for Dickie and Henry and with Lokelani and Stender , you had all Hawaiians on the Bishop Estate but I ask again what did they do for the Hawaiian people except to give themselves astronomical salaries which led to their downfall.....I mean, who will lead the beloved Hawaiians, even now there are so any Hawaiian activist organizations, everyone wants to be Chief...so will there be a Kamehameha that emerges and eliminate all the other so-called leaders to be the one and only ALII leading the people...oh, well, maybe those old hags called the Trask sisters will be the leaders....goodness sake, this is going to be a novel in development in the history of the sovereign nation of the Hawaiian people.....Bless you all!!
on May 29,2014 | 09:40PM
CloudForest wrote:
Nice picture! Looks like he is getting ready to club the mere commoners for stepping on his shadow! Or, maybe he'll show mercy and allow them a 10 minute head start to run for their lives to the City Of Refuge - but so sad if they don't make it, time for a good clubbing once again. and so it goes - do not infringe on the leaderships "royalty" status in this modern era!!!
on May 31,2014 | 01:28AM
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