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Hawaiian recognition plan meets vocal opposition

By Star- Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 02:44 p.m. HST, Jun 23, 2014


Before an overflow crowd at the State Capitol auditorium Monday, U.S. Department of Interior officials heard passionate pleas largely opposed to an Obama administration proposal to establish an official federal relationship with a yet-to-be-formed Native Hawaiian governing entity.

The meeting kicked off a two-week series of statewide public forums to get input on the proposal and how that government-to-government relationship would be set-up if the administration decides to pursue it.

The emotionally charged meeting, attended by several hundred people, lasted about 30 minutes longer than the scheduled three hours. It featured defiant, impassioned testimony mostly rooted in the grievances that have simmered in the Hawaiian community dating back to the 1893 overthrow of the monarchy.

Most of the several dozen attendees who testified Monday said they strongly opposed the Interior Department moving forward with the proposal. Citing various U.S. laws and statutes, they further argued that the agency has no jurisdiction to guide such a government-to-government relationship because the Hawaiian Kingdom remains the islands' sovereign power.

"We are an independent, neutral kingdom," testifier Kilikina Kekumano told the Interior Department's panel. "We are still sovereign."

The process "violates the human rights of our people," Hawaiian activist Mililani Trask added. "We are not tribal and we are not continental. ... We are not a domestic dependent nation. ... We are not Indians."

Several speakers did speak in support of the idea of moving forward, including Office of Hawaiian Affairs Chairwoman Colette Machado. Her testimony, however, quickly devolved into a shouting match with those who opposed the federal proposal.

At one point, the audience stood for an impromptu singing of "Hawaii Pono'i." Many in the crowd wore traditional garb. One attendee, Po'okelo Pohakuku chanted in Hawaiian a bloodline related to King Kamehameha while his mother, A'o Pohakuku, accused the U.S. of widespread injustices against the Hawaiian people.

The Interior plans three-hour public meetings on all the major islands, as well in several Native American communities on the mainland. The second meeting is scheduled for Monday night at 6 p.m. at Waimanalo Elementary & Intermediate School. 'Olelo, the public access television service, is broadcasting this week's Oahu meetings.

If the proposal moves forward after the public meetings, the administration could accomplish what backers of the so-called Akaka Bill in Congress failed to do over more than a decade.

Among the other questions the administration seeks to answer is whether Interior should assist the Hawaiian community in reorganizing its government and whether conditions should be established to pave the way for federal recognition of a new governing entity formed by Hawaiians.






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mcc wrote:
What a waste of time and money.
on June 23,2014 | 09:28AM
boolakanaka wrote:
Apparently, the many many people in attendance had a different opinion.
on June 23,2014 | 10:34AM
what wrote:
Yeah, many people think their freedoms are being repressed and something was stolen from them, so they get one entitlement mentality, which is a powerful driver to stand up and blow hot air. They too busy to realize that they already have any freedom they think they're fighting for, and nothing was stolen from them, when the Kingdom land belonged to the King, not the people.
on June 23,2014 | 10:56AM
Mythman wrote:
the land belonged to the people before the king stole it. think about it.
on June 23,2014 | 11:43AM
boolakanaka wrote:
Well said, Sir Myth.
on June 23,2014 | 11:48AM
what wrote:
I agree, the land belonged to the people. Not just people with a certain type of blood. Think about it.
on June 23,2014 | 11:54AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
You're just offended by the fact that Hawaiian people may receive benefits that you don't. Plain and simple jealousy, nothing more. I think you should find a group of Hawaiians and tell hem exactly how you feel about hawaiians receiving benefits. I'm sure they'll be happy to explain the situation to you.
on June 23,2014 | 03:00PM
what wrote:
What kind of racist caveman thinking are you subscribing to? You are proud of race based greed and would threaten another with gang violence? That's Hawaiian to you.
on June 23,2014 | 06:01PM
Mythman wrote:
There was only Hawaiian blood here before Cook came.
on June 23,2014 | 07:13PM
what wrote:
Humans have been on this rock for a blink of time. Brown, white, yellow, red, black, it's all the same. Small minds focus on stupid details.
on June 23,2014 | 08:07PM
Shellback wrote:
The land belonged to the Ali'i, not the people.
on June 23,2014 | 11:51AM
DiverDave wrote:
Correct Shellback, It was a communal tributary exchange system of production and distribution controlled by Ali'i. Never the people. Kamehameha III, "The Great Capitalist", through the Great Mahele (which called for property taxes to be paid in gold or silver) the system was changed to a system of production and exchange system based on private ownership of land, and an exchange system based on money, i.e. Capitalism.
on June 23,2014 | 12:23PM
Shellback wrote:
The common "people", aka the makaainana, were the property of the Ali'i.
on June 23,2014 | 12:02PM
mcc wrote:
Like the continental United States belonged to the Indians?
on June 23,2014 | 12:03PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Yes, see: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2014/06/17/interactive_map_loss_of_indian_land.html
on June 23,2014 | 12:53PM
DiverDave wrote:
Actually, what occurred in Hawaii was apples and oranges compared to the REAL Native American Indians. Hawaii was a Kingdom who's government changed to a Democracy. Although, the sovereignty activists like to compare the two with unknowing, mainlanders. This is yet just another attempt at government expansion at the expense of the social fabric of this Great State.
on June 23,2014 | 12:57PM
false wrote:
US colonization, then and now. Same smell.
on June 23,2014 | 05:13PM
what wrote:
King Kamehameha colonized Maui, Oahu, and Kauai. Same smell.
on June 23,2014 | 06:06PM
lee1957 wrote:
And when was that?
on June 23,2014 | 06:29PM
DiverDave wrote:
Yes what, more Polynesian-Hawaiians own land, homes, and businesses than ever before, even during the Kingdom. Polynesians languished under a Kingdom, and have flourished under a Democracy.
on June 23,2014 | 11:44AM
boolakanaka wrote:
If that is your metric then it would only be statistically logical to see how they compare in these areas compared to the general population. The truth is, they lag in almost every socio-economic area.
on June 23,2014 | 11:51AM
DiverDave wrote:
Gee we know that Polynesian-Hawaiian kids are graduating High School on par with other ethnicities as a recent article in this paper has reported. Perhaps it's the over 810 raced based for Polynesian-Hawaiian only programs that are hurting them not helping them after graduation. We also know that 7 out of 10 Polynesian-Hawaiian babies are born to unwed mothers. So, maybe it could be a breakdown in the family unit. Not something the world is doing to them that having their own Indian Tribe will somehow help. What other stats are you speaking of? If it's the most among all ethnicities in prison that is also a result of a breakdown in the family. Of course we don't really know what blood quantum these so called Polynesian-Hawaiians in prison actually have. They could just be one droppers, and really be mostly something else.
on June 23,2014 | 12:37PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Are you having a problem making a lucid statement--you are all over the place. You submit nary a quantitative nexus to your rather large suppositions. Is this more talking points from the Heritage? How this college attendance, college graduation, morbidity, mortality, a litany of health indices ( cancer, heart, diabetes, obesity..etc), home ownership, ...etc Facts, not political platitudes.
on June 23,2014 | 01:11PM
DiverDave wrote:
Boo really? "college attendance, college graduation, morbidity, mortality, a litany of health indices ( cancer, heart, diabetes, obesity..etc)" all are of personal choices, and an "Indian Tribe" with more "free stuff" will not solve them.
on June 23,2014 | 01:29PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Really, you don't read pass the grassroots institute, but almost every major university and entities like WHO have long established the nexus between poverty and health indicators, see: http://apt.rcpsych.org/content/10/3/216.full or specifically applied to native entities, http://libraries.ucsd.edu/bib/fed/usccr_natam_disparities.pdf
on June 23,2014 | 01:42PM
Skyler wrote:
Blaming 'race' for an individual's actions is without merit because it discounts individual responsibility.

Those who don't do drugs & steal, etc. don't go to jail. Those who strive to excel in education & use their Akua-given intelligence have jobs & funds with which to feed their families.

You aren't doing the Native Hawaiians any favors by your mischaracterization that 'it's because of 'race'' that so many are in the unfortunate position they're in.


on June 23,2014 | 04:33PM
false wrote:
It's not race that makes for inequities, it's the dominance of political manipulations that deprives the population of resources to excel. History has not been fair and education still isn't fair. Level the playing the field and put more resources to educational inequities. Denigration of certain communities promotes the existence of inequities.
on June 23,2014 | 05:17PM
false wrote:
Look at the data on poverty, incarceration, academic achievement. Hawaiians lead the charts. Thank you so much.
on June 23,2014 | 05:14PM
RTH wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on June 23,2014 | 08:13PM
DiverDave wrote:
What RTH has spoken is a secret formula. NOT!
on June 23,2014 | 08:43PM
Mythman wrote:
Right tell the homesteaders how well off they are on the land they can't occupy or use for commerce while the Chinese and Japanese and Haoles are filthy rich by comparison using settler lands. It's good to honor the past but not to be trapped by it. Move along to what works today.
on June 23,2014 | 07:17PM
DiverDave wrote:
They fell for the trap, Mythman. Now they are falling for another!
on June 23,2014 | 08:44PM
GorillaSmith wrote:
Many people think that Bigfoot exists but that doesn't make it so.
on June 23,2014 | 12:12PM
Mythman wrote:
Wait a minute: Mr Gorilla, you trying to tell me bfoot does NOT exist?
on June 23,2014 | 07:20PM
Grimbold wrote:
Ha ha ha , where are the real Hawaiians, all I see is racially mixed people at OHA and the like.
on June 23,2014 | 07:41PM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
suppose the dept of interior was an alien from outer space. They land in Hawaii and ask the Hawaiian people at this meeting, "take me to your leader.". Who are all these Hawaiians, who attended the meeting going to point to? I'm just curious.
on June 23,2014 | 10:57AM
false wrote:
Who else Neil Abercrombie, Only kidding.
on June 23,2014 | 11:05AM
what wrote:
Most pro Kingdom advocates think they are part of the King's royalty and had title to the land. I think the real King would have put them in their place by chopping their heads off.
on June 23,2014 | 11:23AM
Grimbold wrote:
The times of kings and their nobles - exploiters and suppressors of freedom of the people are gone.
on June 23,2014 | 07:44PM
buttery wrote:
dontbelieve: that is the question I have asked before. Who will rule? What and how will they do it. What about the Hawaiian homeless, Hawaiian criminals, welfare, school programs, do they want a piece of the rock? Are the Hawaiians even united as one and know where to start?
on June 23,2014 | 01:15PM
DiverDave wrote:
Nice dontbelieveinmyths, hope everyone one read what the "kingdom" in Puna is up to. They are calling in aliens from outer space next week! LOL http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/aloha-aliens-landing-pad-extra-terrestrials-kalapana
on June 23,2014 | 01:47PM
Mythman wrote:
Bigfoot is landing in Puna, right Mr DD?
on June 23,2014 | 07:21PM
DiverDave wrote:
No space-aliens, just ask the "Reinstated Hawaiian Kingdom"! LOL
on June 23,2014 | 08:45PM
DiverDave wrote:
All 200 of them out of 500,000, Boo? I'll bet half of them were government workers and news media. LOL
on June 23,2014 | 12:50PM
hanalei395 wrote:
boolakanaka: "the many, many people in attendance had a different opinion" ..... Actually, all of the many, many people in attendance had just one opinion, ... and that was .....NO, to America.
on June 23,2014 | 01:35PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Common opinion for most native people...lol.
on June 23,2014 | 01:44PM
DiverDave wrote:
hanalei395 still believes the Kingdom exists. Maybe he also is part of calling the space aliens in Puna. http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/aloha-aliens-landing-pad-extra-terrestrials-kalapana
on June 23,2014 | 01:49PM
Mythman wrote:
Why is the SA continually dredging up the Akaka bill? Can't we move forward?
on June 23,2014 | 07:12PM
Grimbold wrote:
Why not put it up to vote at election time?
on June 23,2014 | 07:38PM
ISCREAM wrote:
Another attempt by President Obama and progressives to divide the country racially....
on June 23,2014 | 10:25PM
DiverDave wrote:
Yes, ISCREAM.
on June 23,2014 | 11:19PM
false wrote:
Good for all participating but uhhhhh……. it might not be legal.
on June 23,2014 | 11:04AM
MrMililani wrote:
Talk about looking for a free lunch.
on June 23,2014 | 11:45AM
Shellback wrote:
When are we going to reinstate the kapu system? A wife is forbidden to enter the eating house of her husband while he was eating. Women are forbidden to eat certain foods, among which were pork, banana, coconut, and certain fishes.
on June 23,2014 | 11:46AM
DiverDave wrote:
I talked with a Gay Polynesian-Hawaiian couple over the weekend. They are living in a predominately white neighborhood. They told me that they picked the "white" neighborhood because the Polynesian-Hawaiian neighborhoods have too much domestic violence, theft, and out of control children.
on June 23,2014 | 12:40PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Keep it up, and lets see your comments get banned again.
on June 23,2014 | 01:44PM
DiverDave wrote:
Well, I can provide their names if needed. But, not publicly in this forum. That would not be right as I didn't have their prior consent. Unlike OHA's current "roll" were they just put people on it without first asking. They also told me that they don't want any part of any "Indian Tribe" status.
on June 23,2014 | 02:39PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Great, cause it's not an Indian tribe.
on June 23,2014 | 02:41PM
DiverDave wrote:
Of course it is, why are they asking for approval in up coming meetings with Indian Tribes. Didn't you read the government "notice"? http://gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-06-20/pdf/2014-14430.pdf
on June 23,2014 | 08:48PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Poly/Hawaiian neighborhood? You are something else DD, a huge racist and you don't even know it. If u were on the mainland where you likely came from, you'd be talking about black or Hispanic neighborhoods with violence, theft and out of control kids.
on June 23,2014 | 03:08PM
kuniagirl wrote:
you are missing the "oo" after each capital D
on June 23,2014 | 04:49PM
Leinanij wrote:
He does. Diver is an Indian who has been fully assimilated into American colonialism that he has lost any cultural connection to his own race. His race doesn't allow foreigners to live on the reservation with his tribe, doesn't pay any taxes, gets free health care and education, but Diver thinks Hawaiians are racist for demanding the return of our government and the 'aina which was stolen from us be returned.
on June 23,2014 | 09:26PM
DiverDave wrote:
Did you learn that in Hawaiian Studies at the U of H leinanij? By the way it was a multi-racial government, certainly not the property of any ethnicity.
on June 23,2014 | 10:02PM
KWAY wrote:
so youre implying these traits are indicative of polynesian communities, sorta like that saying that all Divers are s tupid?
on June 23,2014 | 04:22PM
DiverDave wrote:
No not me. The Gay Ladies. But yes, stats do indicate that to be true.
on June 23,2014 | 08:50PM
environmental_lady wrote:
The kapu system was over before the overthrow of the king. So that's not a relevant argument or even sardonic comment.
on June 23,2014 | 04:08PM
Shellback wrote:
The Kingdom of Hawaii did not have a government that consisted of only native Hawaiians, so we can not simply go back to the rules and government which were in place back in 1893 when Queen Lili'uokalani and Lorrin Thurston had their little spat. If we want to provide native Hawaiians with true sovereignty, then we must go back further. We must re-instate the Kapu system which was in place before 1778. Without the Kapu system, there can be no native Hawaiian sovereignty. The Hawaiian gods are very unhappy that the native Hawaiians have abandoned the Kapu system, and that is why all the attempts to establish native Hawaiian sovereignty have failed.
on June 23,2014 | 05:14PM
Shellback wrote:
The Kingdom of Hawaii did not have a government that consisted of only native Hawaiians, so we can not simply go back to the rules and government which were in place back in 1893 when Queen Lili'uokalani and Lorrin Thurston had their little spat. If we want to provide native Hawaiians with true sovereignty, then we must go back further. We must re-instate the Kapu system which was in place before 1778. Without the Kapu system, there can be no native Hawaiian sovereignty. The Hawaiian gods are very unhappy that the native Hawaiians have abandoned the Kapu system, and that is why all the attempts to establish native Hawaiian sovereignty have failed.
on June 23,2014 | 05:21PM
kuniagirl wrote:
Just like Leviticus.
on June 23,2014 | 04:48PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
The opening prayer was delivered by the pastor of The Church of Perpetual Entitlement.
on June 23,2014 | 11:47AM
boolakanaka wrote:
Or the lord of judicial prudence and historical reflection.
on June 23,2014 | 11:52AM
DiverDave wrote:
Unfortunately boo, when you tell your historical "reflection", like all "reflections", it is a opposite of the actual facts.
on June 23,2014 | 12:43PM
boolakanaka wrote:
And so, let me ask you this, the DOI and the DOJ and their senior leadership, are all here on some error of judgement on the facts....right.
on June 23,2014 | 12:47PM
DiverDave wrote:
Correct. If you read the proposed rule change it all talks about "reestablishing" a "tribal Indian" relationship, which Hawaiians did not have, as they were not "Tribal" or "Indians" when the U.S. had such a "relationship" with Hawaii and all its ethnicities prior to becoming a Democracy and asking to become part of the U.S. http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/aloha-aliens-landing-pad-extra-terrestrials-kalapana
on June 23,2014 | 01:14PM
boolakanaka wrote:
It says nothing about a "tribal indian " relationship. NOT ONCE. You made them up, both you and KC conflate the term tribal, and it does not appear once in the FR. The fact is that one of the purposes is to make recognition that native Hawaiians are not a tribe, but a distinctive native entity. Wow, so now you are just straight-out lying....telling.
on June 23,2014 | 01:26PM
DiverDave wrote:
Boo it reads "The Secretary is considering whether to propose an administrative rule that would facilitate the reestablishment of a government-to-government relationship with the Native Hawaiian community.(which they never had in the first place) We are interested in hearing from leaders and members of the Native Hawaiian community and of federally recognized tribes in the continental United States." Why talk to other "federally recognized tribes"? Why would it concern them if the same stautus was not going to be given as the Indian Tribes, eh Boo? Everyone should read the document full of half truths and falsehoods. At: http://gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-06-20/pdf/2014-14430.pdf
on June 23,2014 | 01:42PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Not because they are tribes, but because they are native nations---duh. Most simple basic rule of native law.
on June 23,2014 | 01:53PM
DiverDave wrote:
In the end the Polynesian "Tribe" would be put under the thumb of the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
on June 23,2014 | 01:43PM
false wrote:
as the original Tonto would say, "dat right, kimosabe", "get em up scout".
on June 23,2014 | 02:43PM
8082062424 wrote:
You like to use the word Polynesian. My Birth Certificate which is a legal document of the US states i am Hawaiian not Polynesian
on June 23,2014 | 02:59PM
DiverDave wrote:
808, it is not my fault you have an identity crisis!
on June 23,2014 | 10:21PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
It makes no difference what type of recognition Obama is trying to do, the point is you are against any recognition for Hawaiians.
on June 23,2014 | 03:16PM
Mythman wrote:
Mr DD, do us all a favor and google the Administrative Procedures Act
on June 23,2014 | 07:25PM
loio wrote:
great comment. oh, and the hateful scowlful Trask sisters are around. i thought they were largely relegated to UH. hearing about them now, after not hearing much from them for so long, was a bummer. broke a good streak.
on June 23,2014 | 02:36PM
false wrote:
Submitted my comments to DoI in DC. Stated, I strongly oppose the initiation of a Government to Government relationship between the United States of America, of which I am a citizen, and a non-existent Native Hawaiian Community.
on June 23,2014 | 11:53AM
boolakanaka wrote:
Like it should be, everyone is afforded a position, and everyone should freely voice that perspective. That said, among other examples, there is still a relationship, for instance, with HHL homesteaders uninterrupted since 1920.
on June 23,2014 | 12:06PM
false wrote:
Boolakanaka, HHL is under the State and only deals with the Feds when proposing to amend the 1920 law.
on June 23,2014 | 12:14PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Respectfully, there is a legal duality of the relationship, specifically, Section 101 (c) reads... promote community-based development, the traditions, culture and quality of life of native Hawaiians shall be forever self-sustaining. (c) In recognition of the solemn trust created by this Act, and the historical government to government relationship between the United States and Kingdom of Hawaii, the United States and the State of Hawaii hereby acknowledge the trust established under this Act and affirm their fiduciary duty to faithfully administer the provisions of this Act on behalf of the native Hawaiian beneficiaries of the Act.
on June 23,2014 | 12:23PM
DiverDave wrote:
Boo, "historical government to government relationship between the United States and Kingdom of Hawaii", that "Kingdom" was not identified as a "Indian Tribe", and the Hawaiian Homelands Commission was set up to "save a dying race". That is obviously not the case, and everyone knows that the DHHL is a complete mess with over 100 million dollars in delinquent loans, taxes and lease payments. Just another failed liberal social program. And now, the liberals like Obama want to divide and conquer with this misguided idea.
on June 23,2014 | 01:20PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Should I give you factual lesson on how well conservative states are comparative to conservative ones? Least educated, most reliance on federal assistance, lowest per capita income, lowest educational levels, poorest health indicators, lowest home ownership, least insured, lowest diversity of population (why is that not surprising), lowest HS graduation rates....lowest amount economic productivity--should I go on? And you know whats nice--these are ALL facts--maybe explain to us, why the most conservative states are the most worse-off?
on June 23,2014 | 01:30PM
DiverDave wrote:
Let's us stay on topic, and not go of into your weeds, Boo.
on June 23,2014 | 01:53PM
boolakanaka wrote:
You are one who constantly brings up liberal policies....
on June 23,2014 | 02:23PM
false wrote:
If US has treaties with France, England then how did Hawaii not deserve a treaty? How did that escape the history?
on June 23,2014 | 05:24PM
holokanaka wrote:
Who is this guy "false" anyway??? "If us had treaties with France, England then h ow did Hawaii not deserve a treaty?" How does an I.d.i.o.t like false even get the "arrogance" to make such a statement. GEEZ!!!!
on June 23,2014 | 06:36PM
Mythman wrote:
My favorite section, Prof Boo, and the one most often ignored by the state and local governments, all three branches.
on June 23,2014 | 07:29PM
loio wrote:
perfectly stated, me too
on June 23,2014 | 02:36PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
The white man stole all of north America and the islands of Hawaii from the people who were living there prior to their arrival. This fact cannot be disputed by anyone. Native Hawaiians existed then and still exist now.
on June 23,2014 | 03:24PM
false wrote:
Absolutely the correct assessment. Too intelligent for the rest.
on June 23,2014 | 05:25PM
holokanaka wrote:
After reading your comment here I may have misspoke or misunderstood your comment above @ 06:18 pm. Please clarify for me...
on June 23,2014 | 06:41PM
Mythman wrote:
Right, logical and just as logical, the US has to have a rational policy to deal with this reality, And they do. It is in doing so that they relate to the natives found living here in 1778 using a policy, a logical line of reasoning. It got screwed up in Hawaii for the same reason we have all this noise about the overthrow, the kingdom, the king, the queen, Honor the Past, live in the present. Do what works now and make the best of it.
on June 23,2014 | 07:32PM
false wrote:
So all the people who have relatives here before 1776 are non existent. Then what is Kamehameha for? What are all the scholarships for Hawaiian students for? Of course that takes care of the top 2%. Doesn't provide for many. This demonstrates there is a recognized Native Hawaiian Community.
on June 23,2014 | 05:23PM
MakaniKai wrote:
And maybe mother earth within the vast galaxy is really one of the marbles the alien plays with at the conclusion of Men in Black. Think about it >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJOVUF-HaDw
on June 23,2014 | 12:17PM
Mythman wrote:
Men in Black was a movie, native Hawaiians are flesh and blood human beings. There is a difference. One is fantasy, the other is real.
on June 23,2014 | 07:33PM
Kealii wrote:
Hey I'm in full support of a Native Hawaiian government. All I want to know is, how soon after they are officially recognized can they get a casino up and running here?
on June 23,2014 | 12:34PM
what wrote:
It's all about the Spam. The new government will provide free Spam for those with the magic Hawaiian blood.
on June 23,2014 | 12:43PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Sounds like you wish you had some magic blood of your own!
on June 23,2014 | 03:28PM
what wrote:
I have more magical blood.
on June 23,2014 | 06:09PM
Mythman wrote:
What and deprive you guys of the fried spam you thrive on?
on June 23,2014 | 07:35PM
realist3463 wrote:
Put the casino on the west end of Molokai. Take the people off public assistance and put them to work.
on June 23,2014 | 01:30PM
DiverDave wrote:
This is all about MORE public assistance not less. It's just a trap by the divide and conquerors.
on June 23,2014 | 01:55PM
boolakanaka wrote:
So, the tribes in OKL and MINN, who are their states 4th largest employers are all about public assistance? Especially, when one considers their exponential multiple (their amount of economic output relative to population) they lend in state economic production. Or that the largest philanthropic entity in Oregon, is not Nike or Addidas, but the Grande Ronde Tribe. Or how the Washington state tribes saved the fishing industry, and at the same time, developed the state of the nation conservation for salmon and bull trout.....
on June 23,2014 | 02:28PM
DiverDave wrote:
They have a "reservation". Are you going to put Polynesians on a "reservation"?, Boo? Are you in favor of reservations and gambling casinos? Boo?
on June 23,2014 | 02:34PM
boolakanaka wrote:
Those are not decisions for me to make--these are the decisions for kanaka maoli. Hopis have no gaming, and do just fine. And many southern california tribes have no reservation, and are the richest in the country. Many viable options for people to consider.
on June 23,2014 | 02:44PM
Mythman wrote:
I would say all those who become disillusioned when native Hawaiians are also rich will be more than welcome to move to another place where they might be another group of people living in poverty to despise and try to humiliate, try Mexico City, for instance, or Bangkok?
on June 23,2014 | 07:39PM
8082062424 wrote:
Hawaiian never have and never will live on reservations. what we have is Hawaiian lands . And it not all in one area . but land on all the islands
on June 23,2014 | 02:56PM
Mythman wrote:
The word "reservation" is a derivative of the term "reserved". Homelands is interchangeable with "reservation". The lands are "reserved" against alienation. You know, alienation, like the royal land patent means Kua Loa ranch is "owned" by the J P Morgan family and not the original owners, the Kalaeloa et al, you know, the ones who built the fish pond that is now a tourist attraction making the Morgans rich while the heirs of the actual owners pick up plastic bottles on the ground working for the Morgans, who "honor" the "Hawaiian" culture.
on June 23,2014 | 07:41PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Yes, the reservation will include all ceded lands, state lands and Hawaiian homestead lands.
on June 23,2014 | 03:29PM
Mythman wrote:
That isn't quite accurate but it would be spectacular if it could ever happen. Here's a hint: these are all already state owned lands.
on June 23,2014 | 07:43PM
Mythman wrote:
Actually to be realistic, if the state did win it would indeed be about more "public assistance" like the late great Senator Kingly Dan brought us for decades, but this is really about ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, not welfare.
on June 23,2014 | 07:36PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Kealii: "All I want to know is". ................All you should know is ... Hawaiians are NOT Indians. Casinos are an Indian thing, an Indian culture. Thinking that Hawaiians want to be like Indians, is an insult. For your gambling addiction, try Las Vegas.
on June 23,2014 | 02:49PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Casinos are not an "Indian" thing. They just took a page from the white man on how to separate a fool from his money.
on June 23,2014 | 03:31PM
boolakanaka wrote:
And this is why many tribes, prohibit their tribal members from being in casinos (aside for working), thus separating everyone's else money.....lol
on June 23,2014 | 03:55PM
islandsun wrote:
That would be a good way to handle the situation for those without any control. And what better way to even any score than to get the outsider money the easy and legal way. Certainly people arent going to give up their land now to any Hawaiian group regardless of what happened in the past. And even if some were obtained, many Hawaiian leaders would sell out like they do now.
on June 23,2014 | 04:41PM
Mythman wrote:
A casino, can't be fast enough for me. Love to gamble.
on June 23,2014 | 07:34PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
The Hawaiians in opposition are hung up over the word "tribe". They don't realize Obama is trying to help them by recognizing them as native people. Congress isnt going to pass the Akaka bill anytime soon, the only hope of getting something frm the US government will end when Obama leaves office.
on June 23,2014 | 03:36PM
Mythman wrote:
Pres O is trying to help.
on June 23,2014 | 07:44PM
headcheese wrote:
The sad history of the American Indian is the most successful genocide in history. Their current status is directed by the Department of the Interior. Why would Hawaiians want anything to do with that?
on June 23,2014 | 03:39PM
boolakanaka wrote:
In short, because it allows them decision-making (not everything, but with a very wide latitude) for themselves, and not allow other parties this responsibility of their self-governance and determination.
on June 23,2014 | 03:58PM
DiverDave wrote:
They, as well as all other citizens of the Greatest Nation On Earth, The United States of America, already have that. It's about money a greed. We want more!
on June 23,2014 | 10:11PM
788686 wrote:
From the website mareeg.com -- The U.S. Department of Interior in Violation of International Law, Posted on June 22, 2014 by Warsame in World news. The only way that the U.S. Department of Interior can have authority to hold hearings in the territory of the Hawaiian Kingdom, being a foreign State, is to first show that the Department of Justice, through its Office of Legal Counsel, has answered Dr. Crabbe’s question “Does the Hawaiian Kingdom, as a sovereign independent State, continue to exist as a subject of international law?” in the negative. Until then, the Department of Interior is violating the basic principle of international law, whereby governments have the obligation and duty to not intervene in the internal affairs of another sovereign independent State, which is precisely what the United States did in 1893. There is a common misunderstanding that the United States federal government can enter the territory of other countries unfettered. Governments, which are the physical machineries of sovereign States, have omnipotent authority within their own territorial limits, and range from constitutional governments to totalitarian regimes. But when governments deal with other foreign countries their actions are regulated by international law, which includes treaties (agreements) and customary international law.
on June 23,2014 | 04:01PM
false wrote:
In submitted testimony, I wrote, "Liliuokalani after realizing her Kingdom no longer existed, submits her letter of Abdication and Oath of Loyalty on January 24, 1895 to the Republic of Hawaii, officially ending the Hawaii Monarchy and any Native Hawaiian entity."
on June 23,2014 | 04:51PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
I was reading about submitting testimony to DoI but I thought they was talking about my kepani brada Doi. Now I know why he was looking at me strange.
on June 23,2014 | 05:43PM
eknu wrote:
diver dave show the kanaka maoli the treaty of annexation better yet where they they can find the treaty of annexation it will shut all the kanaka maoli up forever but as we all know it does not exist lucky you not born kanaka maoli with the deck stacked against you from day one you call us stupid, lazy,thieves only looking for hand outs and what are you doing to give your fellow man a hand up nothing except being what you truly are a racist hidding behind a computer screen do your neighbors know how you really feel and think about them if the usa did everything right this would not be going down right now but their and your sins are catching up to you like our queen said onipa'a that is all we the kanaka maoli have to do
on June 23,2014 | 06:05PM
false wrote:
Eknu, the Provisional Government of the Islands of Hawaii presented a Treaty of Annexation to the United States and was signed by President Harrison on February 14, 1893 and not taken up by Congress when President Cleveland withdrew the Treaty. On June 16, 1897, the Republic of Hawaii presented a Treaty of Annexation to the United States and President McKinley signed that Treaty. It was held in Congress due to questions raised by the submission of the Kue Petition and the Petition was challenged. The USS Maine was bombed on February 15, 1898 in the Havana Port and the Congress approved the Newlands Joint Resolution annexing Hawaii to the United States on July 7, 1898.
on June 23,2014 | 06:51PM
holokanaka wrote:
"And the congress approved the "newlands joint resolution annexation Hawaii to the United States" on July 7, 1898." False--- you need to google 1988 justice department legal opinion on the legal status of these Hawaiian Islands...you really need to read that legal opinion!!!!!! Also maybe googling hawaiiankingdomblog can help in regards to the legal standing of these Islands. Lots of well researched and well documented info....
on June 23,2014 | 07:40PM
false wrote:
Holokanaka, Mahalo for the lead. Reviewed the 1988 Justice opinion on the President having the authority to extend the 3 mile territorial sea limit to 12 miles, as within the Presidents Constitutional authority. The expanded opinion did address the Joint Resolution that Congress could have overstepped their Constitutional authority, but what was done is legal.
on June 23,2014 | 08:51PM
holokanaka wrote:
false, please cite your source for "what was done was legal" especially since u.s.a. vs Curtiss Wright export corp 299 u.s. 304 (1936) clearly shows that domestic law (newlands joint Resolution) jurisdiction does not extend beyond u.s. borders. if I am not mistaken that ruling was cited in the 1988 Justice opinion. and false-- to make such a bold statement as "what was done is legal"!!! without any supporting references in my opinion is very arrogant!!!
on June 23,2014 | 09:24PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Obama is just all over the map. Just get out of office now, resign and let Joe take over. u r just a lost soul, sir.
on June 23,2014 | 07:39PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Assuming that the Hawaiians get the recognition they are seeking, what kind of things are going to happen? Are they going to get more welfare? more food stamps? more unemployment? what??
on June 23,2014 | 08:38PM
Leinanij wrote:
Congratulations! You just made the most dense comment today on this forum! When Native Hawaiians have their lands returned to them, they won't need anything from the federal government or the state. The tables will be turned and very interesting to see who has their hand out then.
on June 23,2014 | 09:38PM
DiverDave wrote:
false, The Treaty was passed by a "Congressional-Executive Agreement". A treaty is an agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely sovereign states and international organizations. A treaty may also be known as an (international) agreement, protocol, covenant, convention, pact, or exchange of letters, among other terms. Regardless of terminology, all of these forms of agreements are, under international law, equally considered treaties and the rules are the same. In the United States, the term "treaty" has a different, more restricted legal sense than exists in international law. United States law distinguishes what it calls treaties from executive agreement, congressional-executive agreements, and sole executive agreements. All four classes are equally treaties under international law; they are distinct only from the perspective of internal American law. The distinctions are primarily concerning their method of approval. Whereas treaties require advice and consent by two-thirds of the Senate, sole executive agreements may be executed by the President acting alone. Some treaties grant the President the authority to fill in the gaps with executive agreements, rather than additional treaties or protocols. And finally, Congressional-Executive Agreements require majority approval by both the House and the Senate, either before or after the treaty is signed by the President. The Treaty that accepted the unanimously voted on Treaty Offer by the Polynesian Dominated Republic of Hawaii was introduced by a Congressman (Newlands), NOT the President. Therefore it was called a Congressional-Executive Agreement, but the result from the International perspective is the same, it was a Treaty. Search: "Congressional-Executive Agreements".
on June 23,2014 | 09:16PM
false wrote:
Well one thing was apparent that was new was the peoples desire buy way of education via the source there citing and that is international law for the kingdom of hawaii and the lack of authority the DOI has in matters as this. Funny thing was that faye hanohano was in attendance and that if she behaved the way OHA chairlady did they would have either reprimanded or removed her from office
on June 24,2014 | 04:09AM
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