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(De)Occupy protesters return to Thomas Square after

By Star-Advertiser staff

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LAST UPDATED: 09:39 p.m. HST, Jul 26, 2013

<br /><br />Craig T. Kojima / ckojima@staradvertiser.com<br />Tents at Thomas Square were cleared Monday for sidewalk cleaning, and the (de)Occupy Hono­lulu group relocated to the Blaisdell Center side of King Street.<br />

Members of (de)Occupy Hono­lulu were returning to Thomas Square tonight despite the removal of their tents, furniture and other belongings by city workers during an enforcement action late Thursday night.

Officials, using the authority granted by two city ordinances, cleared the Ward Avenue-South Beretania Street corner of the park of pallets, tents, chairs, signs and other objects belonging to (de)Occupy Hono­lulu members. In all, the city seized 10 bins of items, city spokes­man Jesse Broder Van Dyke said.

Two people asked human services personnel for help seeking emergency shelter, he said. One person, a 72-year-old man with no current address, was arrested on the scene on an unrelated outstanding warrant.

Facility maintenance workers, accompanied by Hono­lulu Police Department officers, conducted their action late at night because they were also enforcing the park closure law at Thomas Square, which formally shuts down at 10 p.m., said Broder Van Dyke.

The protesters had only a single tent at the Ward-Beretania intersection through much of today. But (de)Occupy Hono­lulu supporter Sugar Russell said, “More tents are on their way.” Supporters were focused with tending to the arrested man, who has medical conditions, so were late replacing the tents, Russell said.






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oldpali wrote:
This was way past due!
on July 26,2013 | 11:31AM
allie wrote:
agree. I was there last weekend trying to understand what they were protesting. Many were unconvincing but objected to Hawaii state government and USA invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. I told them I thought they had made whatever point they had and they should let it go. But most have money and really have nothing much to do. They expressed frustration that almost nobody in Honolulu had shown sympathy for them or their cause, etc. One man called "Danny" said that they had hoped poor people would have joined in the protests but that the poor folks were the least friendly to them.
on July 26,2013 | 01:06PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Allie your comment is riddled with errors. First, this diverse group is made up people who do everything from work at Walmart, to teaching, to being students who work themselves, and there are some homeless, or people on the dole who are still socially conscious. And you seem to be implying in your statement that white people are not worth organizing with, which is a self-defeating attitude that the ruling class absolutely loves. They want nothing more than for the working class to remain divided along ethnic, cultural, and national lines. It's called "divide and conquer" and you're an unwitting spokesperson for it. Congratulations on being a class A tool.
on July 26,2013 | 02:22PM
palani wrote:
Sorry you lost your home, VivaPuertoRico, but you are aware that the "ruling class" that efforts to "divide and conquer" is headed by none other than President Obama, aren't you?

And what's up with the extreme vitriol?


on July 26,2013 | 02:55PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Yes Obama is a spokesperson for the ruling class. Do you have a relevant point to make? And last I checked, hypocritically lashing out at activists who have actually lived with and defende the homeless on the one hand, while feigning compassionate conservative concern for the homeless on the other, was deserving of a little vitriol.
on July 26,2013 | 03:03PM
palani wrote:
Whatever your message is, it is overwhelmed and buried by your bitterness and hate.
on July 26,2013 | 03:09PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Right back at you. Shame on you for attacking people who have actually put their bodies on the line for the homeless and working class people of hawaii. Shame.
on July 26,2013 | 03:13PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
allie is an internet troll. Please tell us you are not defending a known internet troll, palani
on July 26,2013 | 03:34PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
And I never said I lost my home. Where do you get this stuff?
on July 26,2013 | 03:04PM
Terii_Kelii wrote:
Obviously in her opinion her passive aggressive backhandedness is waaaaaaaayyyyy better than your bitter vitriol
on July 26,2013 | 03:33PM
allie wrote:
I did not make a racial point. I was saying that the legitimately working poor of any race do not identify with your group. I am far poorer than any of you and I don't see your point. There is opportunity in Hawaii for those who work hard.
on July 26,2013 | 05:14PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Here's what you wrote: "to be honest, it is primarily a white man's deal. Not sure people of color buy your claims of inclusiveness. I am a female of color and I certainly do not." So that's not a racial point? Right and Pee Wee Herman is Rambo.
on July 26,2013 | 10:02PM
HDougMatsuoka wrote:
deOccupy Honolulu remains an enduring protest against financial and social inequity. That single tent marks 629 days of continuous encampment against the corporate buying power over our government. "From the occupied ‘āina of Hawai'i in solidarity with the peoples of occupied lands worldwide," deOccupy Honolulu remains one of the most diverse and inclusive political movements in Hawaii's history, and remains the longest running encampment in the Occupy Movement worldwide. I still support the movement and their encampment.
on July 26,2013 | 11:35AM
false wrote:
Perhaps you should move in with them and report exactly what it is they're accomplishing...other than being a public nuisance.
on July 26,2013 | 12:07PM
mikethenovice wrote:
On No. Please do move in. We are trying to lessen the population of campers.
on July 26,2013 | 12:39PM
HDougMatsuoka wrote:
Protest by its nature is disquieting and by its disquiet accomplishes some of its purpose. I don't like seeing homeless encampments either, but the way to address this isn't by criminalizing the homeless and violating their civil rights. If we as a community address the financial and social inequities created by the influence of big money over public policy we may be able to live in a peaceful and prosperous community. We shouldn't settle for a fake, simulation of prosperity that requires midnight raids by armed force to steal from the poor and violate their civil rights.
on July 26,2013 | 12:46PM
false wrote:
We shouldn't settle for a fake, simulation of protest either.
on July 26,2013 | 01:02PM
echo808 wrote:
You are so correct; about time someone said it.
on July 26,2013 | 01:12PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Ok, outline some REAL PROTEST as you have engaged in it, or if you are an armchair protester, as you would engage in it if you had the time or courage.
on July 26,2013 | 02:26PM
allie wrote:
it has been counter-productive hon. They made their point in 2011 but now have just irritated the poor. And, to be honest, it is primarily a white man's deal. Not sure people of color buy your claims of inclusiveness. I am a female of color and I certainly do not.
on July 26,2013 | 01:09PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Race baiting is not argument Allie, especially when your statements are so clearly based on zero knowledge of anything about this group. Is it just that you like to hear yourself talk? There are countless articles and videos documenting actions deoccupy has organized and or supported. Stop your ignorant whining and do your homework before humiliating yourself publicly hon.
on July 26,2013 | 02:29PM
honopic wrote:
Viva.... humiliating herself publicly is what allie does best. Fortunately for you, your energy has been spent trying to help people, while hers is spent promoting one person - allie herself. If you followed her posts on almost every topic almost every day, you would know what a waste of time it is to even respond to her.
on July 26,2013 | 03:54PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Fair enough.
on July 26,2013 | 04:01PM
allie wrote:
I am worthwhile and a volunteer. I don't like hypocrisy among the Occupy Movement. They do not speak for my people. Or really any people.
on July 26,2013 | 05:18PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Their protest is counter-productive. They should go help the homeless if they are so concerned about them rather than giving lip service.
on July 26,2013 | 01:53PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
They do help the homeless with a local "Food Not Bombs" food service, but also through fighting anti-homeless legislation, documenting police and state abuse in homeless encampments island wide, and many of the deoccupiers getting arrested in civil disobedience direct action protests in support of the homeless. There is loads of video covering these things which has been readily available online for any who are genuinely interested beyond lip service parroting the usual boring ignorant star advertiser chamber of commerce employed ideological echo chamber.
on July 26,2013 | 02:12PM
allie wrote:
You live in a useless world of fantasy. Your rhetoric is so yesterday. We need different social theory and praxis hon.
on July 26,2013 | 05:19PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
What is your praxis chile?
on July 26,2013 | 10:03PM
allie wrote:
Honolulu has bent over backwards to accommodate the homeless.
on July 26,2013 | 05:17PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Ahhhh, there we have it. The homeless have it too good! Ha ha. I think I get where your coming from now hon.
on July 26,2013 | 10:04PM
Aieagrl wrote:
Camping in a tent in the middle of no where gets nothing done. Why not camp at the capital or the mayors house. Better yet, Do something more productive than being a bum and actually speak up and voice ones opinion.
on July 26,2013 | 12:18PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Is this good or bad. Cut to the chase, please?
on July 26,2013 | 12:39PM
allie wrote:
I heard that also but it lacks accuracy. makes for good rhetoric though.
on July 26,2013 | 01:07PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Why are you talking about accuracy when you clearly have not even bothered to find out anything about the group? You seem to know absolutely nothing about them and yet you sound off like an expert. Your posts are utterly unconvincing.
on July 26,2013 | 02:31PM
allie wrote:
huh? I have been to the Park 4 times to speak with folks there. The girl on the red bike..ask around. People have been polite and have showed me books and such. I wish I could say you were effective but you are not. You just did not connect with any race or class here. You were just too ideological.
on July 26,2013 | 05:21PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
You are really confused aren't you? So they are supposed to connect with "any race or class"? So maybe they should connect with the ruling class then huh? Since apparently it doesn't matter _which class_ you align with as long as you are not "ideological." You use the words "theory and praxis" but you should add the word "poseur" to your vocabulary.
on July 26,2013 | 10:08PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
But this is just silly, since deoccupy is probably one of the most ethnically diverse groups going. This whole race-baiting line is troll poop.
on July 26,2013 | 11:03PM
stingray65 wrote:
They made their choice to be that way!! Why don 't you bring them home? Have camp out your backyard, or front yard? There is a shelter for them..if they wanted to move in that place. But no!! I bet you the have a post office box where they pick up some of their money from some place..
on July 26,2013 | 04:43PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Still don't get what Occupy or reoccupy wanted. What, specifically, do those groups want to happen/change? It is a puzzlement. And please, no 1% blather, specific actions goals and means for achieving them. Anything less will be just more grumpy talk, or as Tom Petty put it, mad about the future talk.
on July 26,2013 | 04:50PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
They showed soldarity and protested the speed up of work and unfair treatment of the (largely Filipino) hotel work-force with Local 5. They have held actions against Walmart in solidarity with underpaid exploited workers and the people who shop there in these times of austerity, falling wages, and disappearing pensions. They testified at city council hearings against bill 54 and other anti-homeless legislation. They helped organize for the labelling of GMO crops. They engaged in reclamation of commons and have stood up for free speech in the tradition of Peoples' Park and the Free Speech Movement. They took part in the APEC protests which connected with groups as diverse as Moana Nui, labor, and others, to resist neo-liberal trade agreements designed to privatize the Pacific. These are a few specific examples. If you can't make some kind of general pattern out of such actions I can only ask what you've been smoking.
on July 26,2013 | 11:18PM
allie wrote:
No hon. You live in a fantasy world. You have made no connection out here. You lack a sense of history and your own social class has not connected with the working poor. I am Mandan and I do not identify with your cause more methods.
on July 26,2013 | 05:16PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Appealing to your Mandan identity in no way erases your garbage politics. At wounded knee in 1973, there were goons whom many of the people on the reservation also called "bad Indians." Simply hitting us over the head with your identity can't win an argument when you seem to side with the goons or the FBI type forces politically.
on July 26,2013 | 10:54PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Doug makes some good points. This sweep at 10PM is bothersome. Why wait until so late?
on July 26,2013 | 07:04PM
hon2255 wrote:
Thanks Mr Mayor, Let's keep Thomas Square clean and clear of these Squatters! Thanks City and County Crews, the people working next door at Straub and First Insurance appreciate your efforts. Mahalos
on July 26,2013 | 11:43AM
mikethenovice wrote:
Imagine if the Mayor could move this fast on those noisy bikes.
on July 26,2013 | 12:40PM
Mediocrates wrote:
It's about time! (And I actually support the Occupy movement - but these are just bums squatting and filthing up the place). These punks are the ones directly at fault for all the anti-homeless laws recently passed - which were merely attempts to regulate these do-nothing squatters. And now we have all these laws that can be used to criminilize homelessness and hurt the poor even more.
on July 26,2013 | 11:55AM
mikethenovice wrote:
Don't support this movement. You know better.
on July 26,2013 | 12:40PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Good point! I'm guessing there are many homeless that wishes this group had not brought so much attention to them because it made life harder for them.
on July 26,2013 | 01:56PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
You would have a shot at sounding believable if it weren't for the years and years of harrassment of the homeless prior to the existence of any occupy movement. Anyone who followed the Ala Moana clean ups, the Waikiki sweeps, the clean ups of other encampments the heartless "cleanups" of Waimanalo and other tent cities island wide. But the fact is you are doing what the Right always does, which is to blame the victim. Without having met you I can safely say you believe that Greece, Detroit, and other parts of the world are facing austerity because of "greedy workers and their cadillac pensions" or some such B.S. It's the same irrational self-defeating parroting of ruling class rhetoric that has been the hallmark of squares, snitches, and cowards for millenia.
on July 26,2013 | 02:42PM
allie wrote:
Not based in reality
on July 26,2013 | 05:22PM
false wrote:
Good job. Keep breaking 'em down!
on July 26,2013 | 12:03PM
lokela wrote:
Finally.
on July 26,2013 | 12:05PM
residenttaxpayer wrote:
I think the city showed patience in allowing the protesters to squat long enough...but it's time for them to go......
on July 26,2013 | 12:22PM
allie wrote:
agree
on July 26,2013 | 01:09PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Cane toads and rats were brought to Hawaii but eventually became eradicable pests. Deoccupiers came to Hawaii with a message that resonated with the 99 percenters. Hopefully, they will not become eradicable like toads and rats.
on July 26,2013 | 12:26PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Don't fine them, the confiscation is good enough.
on July 26,2013 | 12:38PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Did anyone YouTube this?
on July 26,2013 | 12:38PM
Masami wrote:
I learned as a kid "LIFE AIN'T FAIR". Appears these people never learned that lesson.
on July 26,2013 | 12:40PM
mikethenovice wrote:
This is warning how fast the city can take action against the noisy motorcycles and moped whenever the Mayor is ready.
on July 26,2013 | 12:42PM
livinginhawaii wrote:
How about making Sugar scrub his graffiti on the corner of Ward and Beretania? Its still there, its ugly, and he has committed a crime by defacing public property.
on July 26,2013 | 01:14PM
Russkar wrote:
Now it's time to focus on the REAL Homeless who need help.
on July 26,2013 | 01:25PM
Bdpapa wrote:
Yup!
on July 26,2013 | 01:59PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Deoccupiers have been aiding the homeless since 2011, often feeding and sheltering them, documenting their plight, writing about their struggles with cops and the city, fighting anti-homeless legislation, and much more. You clearly don't know the situation on the ground regarding the homeless, and yes some deoccupiers are real homeless. I say all this from first hand knowledge having been a part of deoccupy from 2011 to 2012. It's the height of hypocrisy to type away about your alleged concern for the homeless when you are transparently just interested in heaping calumny on deoccupy.
on July 26,2013 | 02:50PM
iwanaknow wrote:
There is a lot of space out at Kualoa Park (Chinamen's Hat) Kaneohe/Kaaawa...clean bathrooms, great view and the city bus goes by every 40 minutes.....maybe the (de) occupy camp can go there and make a stand? Heck, I'll even tip my hat every time I go by.
on July 26,2013 | 03:45PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Keep working on the humor chops, maybe someday you will make someone somewhere laugh.
on July 26,2013 | 04:04PM
st1d wrote:
people of hawaii have been aiding the homeless since before 1960, offering free: food, clothing, shelter, medical services, health counseling, education and money.

you clearly don't know the extensive assistance programs the people of hawaii offer the homeless.

one year of using them as tools and fronts for your protesting does not give you the insight needed to serve all the homeless and needy in hawaii.

many of us support and assist the homeless and needy families through churches, government offices, private charities and personal service at shelters, health and food stations.

your narcissistic value of your involvement for a year with the homeless is humorous, even if you amount to nothing accomplished for the homeless.


on July 26,2013 | 04:03PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Show me where I say that people were not feeding and helping the homeless before deoccupy. When all else fails go to the outraged strawman. There is nothing narcissistic about pointing out that deoccupiers have been helping the homeless, living alongside and often in the same encampments as the homeless, providing food to them through Food Not Bombs, documenting the abuses by police and legislation of them. Why would such activity upset you if your main concern was the homeless? Why would YOU use the homeless to attack deoccupy, which is simply a movement that opposes the oppression of working people and those that have fallen through the cracks if your concern for humanity was so genuine? But instead you want to dehumanize this group of people and why? Because they didn't do it through corporate charity (the guilty conscience of the exploiting class), the state, or whatever Right wing church it is you go to. Yours is the weakest, most hypocritical, and unconvincing line of argument.
on July 26,2013 | 04:16PM
false wrote:
"Lighten up Francis..." - Sgt. Hulka from "Stripes".
on July 26,2013 | 04:49PM
allie wrote:
Viva means well. I think he is wrong but sincere. Alas, his collectivist, tired Marxism just lacks any solutions. But he is not a bad guy.
on July 26,2013 | 05:23PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Good to know you're an expert on Marx just like you're an expert on deoccupy.
on July 26,2013 | 10:17PM
allie wrote:
The homeess I interviewed think "you dudes are weird." You have no connection with them
on July 26,2013 | 05:22PM
BlueDolphin53 wrote:
IMO, 99% of these people could care less about the finacial and social injustices going on in society. They are either mentally challanged, lazy, or simply lack purpose in their lives.
on July 26,2013 | 04:31PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
Your uninformed and baseless assertions have been duly noted.
on July 26,2013 | 04:35PM
luvshawaii wrote:
DeOccupy is far from valiant. A real hero was Bernard Punikaia, a Hawaiian with Hansen's disease, who fought eviction at Hale Mohalu. The state physically picked him and others up bodily and removed them from the place they called home and then razed it to the ground. He then lived wherever he could. DeOccupy is about out of towners behaving badly. I have no sympathy for you. Let's clean up Thomas Square.
on July 26,2013 | 06:22PM
holumuahawaii wrote:
Can you remember who it was who befriended and fought for Bernard? Who it was who kept that faith? It was Neil Abercrombie.
on July 26,2013 | 09:42PM
VivaPuertoRico wrote:
I don't think Bernard Punikala would appreciate or even understand why you are using his name to attack deoccupy who may not be perfect, but who have stood with local hotel workers, with evictees, with exploited walmart employees and ripped off Walmart shoppers, with the homeless, with farmers, with the foreclosed, etc. etc. Deoccupy strives to work in cross-racial solidarity for social justice against the inhuman logic of capital, even though not all of them would put it that way or identify as anti-capitalist (but some of them would). People like Pablo Manlapit, Harry Kamoku, Ah Quon McElrath, and Bill Bailey, they didn't try to build ethnic walls against outsiders or certain races, quite the opposite. The major blow to the Apartheid Big 5 oligarchical regime was struck by organized labor (when it used to be radical) who confronted capital in cross-racial strikes at plantations, and on the docks. They knew that to win, they had to defeat the effort by the bosses to keep them segregated. And here we are today, with reactionary trolls who seem intent on carrying on the racial divide and conquer logic of the bosses. Ask yourself why.
on July 26,2013 | 10:44PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
They did another sweep at Pawaa In-Ha Park but the folks moved back within 24 hours and there are plenny tents along King Street again. This is not working, Kirk.
on July 26,2013 | 07:06PM
holumuahawaii wrote:
Hooray!
on July 26,2013 | 09:36PM
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