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Schatz will vote against use of military force in Syria

By Associated Press


Hawaii U.S. Sen. Brian Schatz says he intends to oppose a Senate resolution authorizing the use of U.S. military force in Syria.

President Barack Obama is calling for military action after his administration blamed Syria President Bashar Assad for a chemical weapons attack last month that it says killed more than 1,400 civilians.

Other casualty estimates are lower, and the Syrian government denies responsibility, contending rebels fighting to topple the government were to blame.

Schatz said this afternoon that while he is outraged by Assad's use of chemical weapons, he believes a military strike is not the answer.

U.S. Rep. Colleen Hanabusa said this week she would not support Obama's request based on the intelligence she's seen so far.

U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono and U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard are undecided.

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Manoa2 wrote:
Americans are tired of war where our interests are not clearly defined and where the struggle is within the boundaries of another country.
on September 5,2013 | 03:20PM
UniversityOfMakiki wrote:
Colleen Hanabusa agrees: “As it stands now, U.S. military involvement in Syria lacks a solid legal basis, a clear long-term strategy, and vital international and domestic approval. Though intelligence has been presented by the Obama Administration, I am not convinced that it serves the purpose of justifying military force or other intervention in Syria."
on September 5,2013 | 03:59PM
allie wrote:
Congrats to Schtaz for standing tall and doing the right thing. I am back on his bandwagon. As the Washington Post reported, powerful Israeli lobby groups are threatening to punish any Congressman or woman who dares oppose Israeli actions or interests and decides to support USA interests instead. Well Steve stood up to that. I thank him for that!
on September 5,2013 | 04:04PM
kainalu wrote:
Steve? ... LOL!
on September 5,2013 | 04:32PM
Nevadan wrote:
Will Netanyahu disown Schatz ?
on September 5,2013 | 05:41PM
Skyler wrote:
Steve, Brian... eh, no mattah. LOL.
on September 5,2013 | 10:17PM
islandhula wrote:
very funny :D
on September 9,2013 | 09:36AM
inverse wrote:
Oh the humanity! Schatz not in lock step with fellow Pun aho alum Pres Obama?
on September 5,2013 | 03:32PM
allie wrote:
Obama is about as intelligent as an egg McMuffin. What a fake he is and always was.
on September 5,2013 | 04:04PM
geralddeheer wrote:
Don't you think calling anyone a 'fake' while using a pen name is beyond phony? BTW, since you feel the President is "about as intelligent as an egg McMuffin", how intelligent are you? Are you as smart as a chicken salad? When did you earn a degree from Harvard?
on September 5,2013 | 04:42PM
allie wrote:
affirmative action degree?
on September 5,2013 | 04:48PM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
Fack you Allie!
on September 5,2013 | 06:41PM
Grimbold wrote:
Imbecile comment surfah!
on September 5,2013 | 08:16PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
surfah, no need go there on these posts. debate the topic. keep it civil.
on September 6,2013 | 06:26AM
hanalei395 wrote:
allie is like a kolea, a plover. A bird that comes to Hawai'i, fattens up, leaving its kukae behind when it leaves. All kolea allie has to offer to Hawai'i is her kukae, which she leaves behind when she goes back to where she comes from.
on September 5,2013 | 07:36PM
Surfer_Dude wrote:
Allie. Did you check off the Native American box when you applied to UH? Affirmative action yourself maybe?
on September 5,2013 | 09:40PM
tiki886 wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on September 5,2013 | 05:10PM
hanalei395 wrote:
tiki also says ....Obama has a fake birth certificate.
on September 5,2013 | 05:22PM
tiki886 wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on September 5,2013 | 06:50PM
hanalei395 wrote:
tiki once said Obama was a Kenyan.
on September 5,2013 | 07:08PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
No, he's a Keynsian.
on September 5,2013 | 11:07PM
2NDC wrote:
The main reason why obama wants to strike Syria is because they hold the key to finding his "real" birth certificate. :-O
on September 5,2013 | 08:50PM
JimLoomis wrote:
Yes, how about a real name when you trash a local-born President of the United States. Got what it takes for that?
on September 5,2013 | 05:16PM
hanalei395 wrote:
That non-local American Indian ALWAYS speaks with a forked-tongue.
on September 5,2013 | 05:53PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
how come you sound like an indian? subconscious emulation maybe?
on September 6,2013 | 06:34AM
Cchance27 wrote:
How dare you insult the egg McMuffin. LOL
on September 5,2013 | 07:30PM
Peacenik wrote:
on September 5,2013 | 09:53PM
Skyler wrote:
You are out- loquacious-ing @loquaciousone, lol.
on September 5,2013 | 10:21PM
Grimbold wrote:
Obama is probably glad if he gets over-voted. If he is smart he would admit that his statement of The Red Line was made before it turned out that Al-Kaida became part of the rebels. Now with this new evidence he can retract his previous statement without losing face..
on September 5,2013 | 08:46PM
hunebasami wrote:
Punahou grad
on September 5,2013 | 09:12PM
Skyler wrote:
Not going to comment on the fake/not fake part - but the vision I got of an intelligent egg McMuffin made me LOL. :-)
on September 5,2013 | 10:19PM
false wrote:
on September 5,2013 | 04:11PM
Grimbold wrote:
Schatz is rising in my esteem!
on September 5,2013 | 08:15PM
HD36 wrote:
After listening to the three stooges, Kerry, Hagel, and Dempsy for more than an hour at the conressional hearing how can anyone not have serious doubts. They sure came alive when it was Tusli's turn to ask questions.
on September 5,2013 | 03:35PM
SteveToo wrote:
Right On!
on September 5,2013 | 03:39PM
SteveToo wrote:
Let's see the President wants us to Kill Syrians to stop other Syrians from killing Syrians. Do I have that right? I'm confused. LOL
on September 5,2013 | 03:41PM
allie wrote:
we all are. You can be sure Obama is not telling us the real reasons he is doing this.
on September 5,2013 | 04:49PM
residenttaxpayer wrote:
Yup..that pretty much sums it up...Obama wants to attack Syria cause Syria is attacking Syria.....go figure...
on September 5,2013 | 05:03PM
PokeStop wrote:
Schatzie boy is a joke! Dump this clown next year!
on September 5,2013 | 03:42PM
Fred01 wrote:
Okay, unless he is replaced by a real buffoon like Hanabusa.
on September 5,2013 | 04:30PM
Cchance27 wrote:
There is nothing more I would Like, however, what is the alternative? HanabUSA?
on September 5,2013 | 07:35PM
Grimbold wrote:
Poke, at least Schatz can think, what can not be said of some others.
on September 5,2013 | 08:18PM
fluke wrote:
i'll be voting him OUT!
on September 5,2013 | 09:14PM
HealthyandHappy wrote:
You got my vote! I can't see how a majority of our political "leaders" think this Syrian escalation is a good thing.
on September 5,2013 | 03:44PM
Mediocrates wrote:
I don't believe anyone thinks it is a "good thing" it is a responsible, grown up thing to do.
on September 5,2013 | 11:24PM
false wrote:
Amazing how quickly "weathervane Brian" changed from supporting Obama to now opposing. He read the public's tea leaves and decided to ditch his pal for political expediency. That's true loyalty. Trust Brian from now on? Not.
on September 5,2013 | 03:45PM
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, it's a shame he listened to all sides and made up his own mind, huh?
on September 5,2013 | 03:57PM
lee1957 wrote:
I commend him for finally putting his finger in the wind and realizing his loyalty is to his constituents, not his party or his president.
on September 5,2013 | 05:29PM
false wrote:
His only loyalty is to himself and his own political ambition. Are you so naive as to think otherwise?
on September 5,2013 | 06:45PM
hunebasami wrote:
I want war.
on September 5,2013 | 09:16PM
Grimbold wrote:
false , as usual your comment is demagogue.You put blind loyalty to Obama before reason and before the will of the majority of constituents, even if it means to support the Islamists.
on September 5,2013 | 08:23PM
MichaelG wrote:
I give him credit for thinking independently and breaking with the president on this issue. The choices for Syria is bad for the status quo and maybe worst with new leadership in that country. WAY TO GO SENATOR SCHATZ!
on September 5,2013 | 11:10PM
UniversityOfMakiki wrote:
Wow! What a flip-flop. Just a few days ago he sounded like he would have fired the first shot himself: "The President and his national security team have provided strong evidence that the Assad regime is responsible for the recent horrific chemical weapons attack against innocent Syrian civilians," Schatz said in a statement. "We must send a clear message that the use of chemical weapons is abhorrent and will not be tolerated by the United States or the international community." (http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2013/09/04/19812-schatz-talks-tough-on-syria-downgrades-to-request-for-debate/) How can we trust this guy with war or with peace? Not a true leader. Not a principled politician. The wrong choice for Hawaii.
on September 5,2013 | 03:55PM
Grimbold wrote:
Better a flipflop and change ones mind than stubbornly staying with an error.
on September 5,2013 | 08:25PM
hunebasami wrote:
Oh are you talking about another PUN grad, Norm Chow.
on September 5,2013 | 09:18PM
jussayin wrote:
Clap, clap, clap. Let's not repeat the same mistakes again.
on September 5,2013 | 04:15PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
claps, isn't the the colloquial term for Gonorrhea? yeah, let's not do that again.
on September 6,2013 | 06:42AM
gtracer66 wrote:
I believe we have had enough of foreign wars for reasons that are not directly in U.S. interests. More to the point, we have no end game to attacking Syria. So we drop some bombs..then what? We admit we are not looking to change the regime. And we don't know who would take over if we did. It's a civil war. It's not our problem. We had our own civil war but I don't remember reading about any foreign country intervening with military forces on either side. I doubt we would have been happy about it, even if they had.
on September 5,2013 | 04:24PM
Cchance27 wrote:
on September 5,2013 | 07:37PM
thruthful wrote:
Well done Senator, well done!!!!
on September 5,2013 | 04:25PM
allie wrote:
proud of him
on September 5,2013 | 04:50PM
hunebasami wrote:
Please go to your homeland, they are waiting for you.
on September 5,2013 | 09:20PM
thruthful wrote:
A Senator with common sense. A rare finding!
on September 5,2013 | 04:30PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Schatz made the right call. We have Muslims fighting Muslins in the Syrian civil war, all claiming they are doing it for Allah, so I say let Allah sort it out. Hirono, of course, is waiting to be told how to vote by Democrat party leadership.
on September 5,2013 | 04:36PM
allie wrote:
yes he did. Hanabuttah is trying to hide out until safe for her to take a stand
on September 5,2013 | 04:50PM
DAGR81 wrote:
Colleen Hanabusa has already expressed her position...BEFORE schatz. schatz was the one hiding out with mazie until it was safe for him to take a stand.
on September 5,2013 | 05:47PM
hunebasami wrote:
One person knows the truth.
on September 5,2013 | 09:21PM
Skyler wrote:
She actually took a stand before Schatz did - she said "no."
on September 5,2013 | 10:23PM
Cchance27 wrote:
Are you referring to LAZY MAZIE?
on September 5,2013 | 07:39PM
tonybehm wrote:
How refreshing to have a Senator who does what the citizens of Hawaii desire in place of Dan who always did exactly what he wanted to do then demanded all others follow his lead without question. Does any one care that under International Law if is illegal for the US or for any body other than the UN general assembly to take such military action. The US should really not place itself above the rest of the world.
on September 5,2013 | 04:44PM
allie wrote:
on September 5,2013 | 04:50PM
hunebasami wrote:
I'm a citizen of the US and lived 70 years in Hawaii. He didn't vote for me but against. Bombs away
on September 5,2013 | 09:23PM
noheawilli wrote:
Wow, bravo young man
on September 5,2013 | 04:51PM
localguy wrote:
Like it or not, the USA is the Big Kid on the block standing for freedom, human rights, and where possible, taking of those wronged. No other country comes close. China or Russia will never come close. That said, we do have a world wide responsibility to lead by example. Sad to say many of our dysfunctional bureaucrats haven't got the backbone for the responsibility. Instead they wring their hands and cry "The sky is falling." If they can't handle being in the big chair and making those decisions, they need to admit their failure and resign. History is filled with times we took action because no other country either had the military power or the country was weak, no real leadership. Go live in China and Russia where your weakness will be welcome.
on September 5,2013 | 05:15PM
lee1957 wrote:
Do you need the number to the recruiting office?
on September 5,2013 | 05:31PM
localguy wrote:
I already did my 20 of active duty for the Army. Why didn't you serve? What? Do I hear a chicken?
on September 5,2013 | 05:43PM
hunebasami wrote:
I went to war already, did you
on September 5,2013 | 09:24PM
Peacenik wrote:
Let's see No. Korea threatened to nuke Hawaii, Guam and LA and 70% of his people are starving, where was big O with his red line? Syria has made no threats to U.S. and far as I know had no mass starvation and haven't even heard of threats to Israel being made, yet he wants to bomb Syria which I'm sure will kill more than 1,400 civilians esp. if it has to be done repeatedly. Of course we won't see the mutilated bodies, so it be like a computer game to the big Chief who never served a day in his life, listens clueless lady who never did either, yet so eager get U.S. involved. Iran has threaten Israel, is suspected of have nuclear weapons, so why not go after them?
on September 5,2013 | 06:04PM
hunebasami wrote:
on September 5,2013 | 09:24PM
fstop wrote:
Thank god for Brian with a brain. He will be returned to the Senate.
on September 5,2013 | 05:18PM
DAGR81 wrote:
Schatz only came out with his position after Colleen Hanabusa...what brain did he use?
on September 5,2013 | 05:43PM
hunebasami wrote:
The one he sits on
on September 5,2013 | 09:26PM
false wrote:
If you go back a few days, Schatz was licking Obama's behind and fully supporting the attack on Syria. Hanabusa was against. That was only several days ago. After seeing the public uproar and that it would be bad for his senate run, he quickly did a 180 degree today. Tells me he will sell out for his own gain. And some posters are commending him for this quick turnaround. Don't turn around or he'll put a knife in your back.
on September 5,2013 | 06:27PM
hunebasami wrote:
he is a politician
on September 5,2013 | 09:27PM
hunebasami wrote:
Scared Brian
on September 5,2013 | 09:26PM
jayz43 wrote:
And which way is Mazie leaning?
on September 6,2013 | 01:21AM
cwo4usn1 wrote:
I don't think much of the far left wing pols or the RINOs in the GOP. Most pols are in it for the power trip they're on. That's one reason we need term limits, not only for Congress but the SCOTUS. This is one time I will give a Democrat a "thumbs up". Thanks Sen. Schatz!! We don't need to be involved in Syria, Libya, Egypt, Oman, or any of the other sandbox countries. They've been fighting with one another for thousands of years. Let the useless UN come up with solutions. That will never happen.
on September 5,2013 | 05:40PM
willman wrote:
He better vote as much as he can because he will not be a U.S. Senator for long. He is a joke.
on September 5,2013 | 05:51PM
HawaiiMongoose wrote:
Schatz and Hanabusa are wrong. They need to pay attention to history. There is such a thing as evil in the world and failing to stand up to it just invites its growth. The prohibition against using poison gas in warfare has been absolute for almost 100 years. Even Hitler didn't cross that line. Assad used poison gas against civilians... to murder children... by the hundreds. The willingness of almost the entire world to look the other way is more than sad, it's appalling and foolhardy.
on September 5,2013 | 07:56PM
Grimbold wrote:
When Saddam of Iraq used poison gas against Iran in the 80's war the USA even supported him! So we support evil whenever it suits us. And we thru the CIA suported the murderers of Allende of Chile. When we bombed Dresden in WWII we killed mostly civilians - many ten thousands in one night etc etc. Then we nuked Japan and killed hundreds of thousand m men women and children, to save our soldiers some warfare. All not very hero-like.
on September 5,2013 | 08:34PM
HawaiiMongoose wrote:
Our failure to punish Saddam for his use of poison gas was wrong. It emboldened a monster whom we had to depose 15 years later at enormous cost in blood and treasure. Failing to punish Syria now would be equally wrong.
on September 5,2013 | 09:09PM
Skyler wrote:
They hung Saddam - obviously is was no deterrent to Assad or whoever used this gas. Punishment should be economic & diplomatic, not bombs & boots on the ground. What is your objective? Once you 'punish' Assad or whoever - then what? You think he's gonna say, "Sorry, eh?"
on September 5,2013 | 09:34PM
Skyler wrote:
Correction: "... obviously it was no deterrent... not 'is was'... geez. Editing sure would be nice, eh SAd? Let us comment w/Disqus - would be soooo much more fun!)
on September 5,2013 | 10:28PM
hunebasami wrote:
Lets be the ones that stand up and be counted.
on September 5,2013 | 09:29PM
Peacenik wrote:
Kim Jong Un is starving his people, using resource to build bombs. He even had his old flame get executed because she did porn. Imagine the punishment he metes to others who displeases him. We went into Somalia to save the people, had our helicopters shot down and we had to run with our tail between our legs. Rwandans were being hacked to death, there was no discussions of going in to save them. Yes, we should help the oppressed, but how do we help all? If the syrian rebels put down their arms, this may stop the war. When O help topple the regimes in Egypt and Libya, it encourage the rebels to step up their fighting, using threats to go to Al-Queda for help. If A-Q takes over Syria, do you think Israel would be any safer. Assad learned not to tangle with Israel before, so Israel would be safer with him in power. In todays papers, it feature how the rebel summarily executed about 8 Syrian soldiers captured, with a shot behind their head, on film by a rebel who left the group. Is this the kind of people we want to help?
on September 5,2013 | 10:10PM
hunebasami wrote:
Lets get him out next election.
on September 5,2013 | 09:10PM
Skyler wrote:
Good move, Sen. Schatz.
on September 5,2013 | 09:27PM
Surfer_Dude wrote:
Sunni killing Shite and vice versa. I don't really care. FYI Allie, no matter who wins this civil war, Syria will still hate Israel. Israel really doesn't have a dog in this fight unless Assad uses poison gas against them. Israel will then defend itself and blow Syria away. Both sides.
on September 5,2013 | 09:36PM
Kahu Matu wrote:
This is one of the few times I actually thank Brian for his vote. No more wars.
on September 5,2013 | 09:41PM
Peacenik wrote:
Count me in too.
on September 5,2013 | 10:21PM
Peacenik wrote:
Kim Jong Un starves and executes his people for minor infractions. We tried to help the Somalians got beaten badly and humiliated. We did not do anything of the hacking deaths in Rwanda, not even talked about it. Yes, we should help the oppressed, but we have to pick our battles wisely. Assad is afraid of Israel, due to passed defeat, so he's a better bet for the Israelis, rather than an Al-Queda infiltrated regime. In today's paper was a smuggled photo by an ex-rebel, of about 7 captured Syrian soldiers ready to be executed with shots behind their heads. Is these the kind of animals we want to help? The ex-rebel left the group because of their cruelty.
on September 5,2013 | 10:21PM
LKK56 wrote:
Yes, Yes - that's the way to go Senator Brian. I sure hope the Mazie and Tulsi use their brains and vote this ridiculous idea down. America cannot be the policeman of the world.
on September 5,2013 | 11:00PM
WalkoffBalk wrote:
May the Schatz be with you!
on September 5,2013 | 11:10PM
Mediocrates wrote:
I am very disappointed in both Schatz and Hanabusa. Did Schatz do this so it doesn't become a campaign issue for him? I supported him before but I'm not so keen at the moment.
on September 5,2013 | 11:22PM
jayz43 wrote:
Do not poo poo the "foot wedge"
on September 6,2013 | 01:26AM
HAJAA1 wrote:
No?? Really??? lol
on September 6,2013 | 01:34AM
islandhula wrote:
NO WAR!! Thank you, Schatz :)
on September 9,2013 | 09:35AM
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