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Boehner to Obama: No debt hike without concessions

By Donna Cassata & Martin Crutsinger

Associated Press

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LAST UPDATED: 08:55 a.m. HST, Oct 06, 2013


WASHINGTON » The United States moved closer to the possibility of the first-ever default on the government's debt today as Speaker John Boehner adamantly ruled out a House vote on a straightforward bill to boost the borrowing authority without concessions from President Barack Obama.

With no resolution in sight, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew warned that Congress is "playing with fire" as he called on lawmakers to quickly pass legislation re-opening the government and a measure increasing the nation's $16.7 trillion debt limit.

The government shutdown precipitated by the budget brinkmanship entered its sixth day with hundreds of thousands of federal employees furloughed, national parks closed and an array of government services on hold.

Lew said Obama has not changed his opposition to coupling a bill to re-open the government and raise the borrowing authority with Republican demands for changes in the 3-year-old health care law and spending cuts.

Boehner insisted that Obama must negotiate if the president wants to end the shutdown and avert a default that could trigger a financial crisis and recession that would echo the events of 2008 or worse. The 2008 financial crisis pushed the country into the worst recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

"We're not going to pass a clean debt limit increase," the Ohio Republican said in a television interview. "I told the president, there's no way we're going to pass one. The votes are not in the House to pass a clean debt limit, and the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us."

Boehner also said he lacks the votes "to pass a clean CR," or continuing resolution, a reference to the temporary spending bill without conditions that would keep the government operating. Democrats argue that their 200 members in the House plus close to two dozen pragmatic Republicans would back a so-called clean bill if Boehner just allowed a vote, but he remains hamstrung by his tea party-strong GOP caucus.

"Let me issue him a friendly challenge. Put it on the floor Monday or Tuesday. I would bet there are the votes to pass it," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

In a series of Sunday television appearances, Lew warned that on Oct. 17, when he exhausts the bookkeeping maneuvers he has been using to keep borrowing, the threat of default would be imminent.

"I'm telling you that on the 17th, we run out of the ability to borrow, and Congress is playing with fire," Lew said.

Lew said that while Treasury expects to have $30 billion of cash on hand on Oct. 17, that money will be quickly exhausted in paying incoming bills given that the government's payments can run up to $60 billion on a single day.

Treasury issued a report on Thursday detailing in stark terms what could happen if the government actually defaulted on its obligations to service the national debt.

"A default would be unprecedented and has the potential to be catastrophic," the Treasury report said. "Credit markets could freeze, the value of the dollar could plummet, U.S. interest rates could skyrocket, the negative spillovers could reverberate around the world."

Private economists generally agree that a default on the U.S. debt would be extremely harmful, especially if the impasse was not resolved quickly.

"If they don't pay on the debt, that would cost us for generations to come," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics. He said a debt default would be a "cataclysmic" event that would roil financial markets in the United States and around the world.

Zandi said that holders of U.S. Treasury bonds would demand higher interest rates which would cost the country hundreds of billions of dollars in higher interest payments in coming years on the national debt.

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, a force in pushing Republicans to link changes to the health care law in exchange for keeping the government running, spelled out his conditions for raising the borrowing authority.

"We should look for three things. No. 1, we should look for some significant structural plan to reduce government spending. No. 2, we should avoid new taxes. And No. 3, we should look for ways to mitigate the harms from 'Obamacare,'" Cruz said, describing the debt ceiling issue as one of the "best leverage the Congress has to rein in the executive."

Some Republicans, such as Rep. Steve King of Iowa, dismiss the warnings about a government default as an exaggeration, suggesting U.S. credit won't collapse and calling the talk "a lot of false demagoguery."

Asked how the standoff might end, Boehner said today on ABC that he was uncertain: "If I knew, I'd tell you."

The Ohio Republican added that Obama can call him any time to start negotiations to end the shutdown. "He knows what my phone number is," Boehner said.

Privately, administration officials say they don't think Boehner and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell want a default as they realize it will be far worse than a shutdown, but the two don't know how to avoid it or when to try.

In one promising development, a large chunk of the furloughed federal work force is headed back to the Pentagon on Monday, and those who remain at home or are working without paychecks are a step closer to getting back pay once the partial government shutdown ends.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ended the argument for most Pentagon civilian employees, ordering nearly all 350,000 back on the job. Hagel said he based his decision on a Pentagon interpretation of a law called the Pay Our Military Act.

The Senate will try to vote this week on a bill that passed the House unanimously on Saturday to pay federal workers for days missed.

Boehner and Schumer were interviewed on ABC's "This Week," and Lew and Cruz on CNN's "State of the Union." Lew also appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation," ''Fox News Sunday" and NBC's "Meet the Press."







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localguy wrote:
This is all on dysfunctional bureaucrat Boehner. The ACA was signed in to law 3 years ago and republicans still can't accept that fact. Whining for a years delay so they can try to gut it. Even though they have tried for 3 years and failed, they want another year. This time the whiny, snot nosed punks are trying to threaten the entire country so they can get their way. A desperate act by clueless bureaucrats who are so busy kow towing to the party line they can't see how their incompetence will hurt everyone, not to mention the image of the USA. Time to slap Boehner and his merry band of thieves in to reality. You had an entire year to do your job and willfully failed. Admit it, pass the bill and try again next year. What an idiot Boehner is.
on October 6,2013 | 09:29AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Concessions to Boehner ..... Boehner wants an Obamacare shutdown.
on October 6,2013 | 11:24AM
kuroiwaj wrote:
Hanalei395, not only Speaker Boehner want Obamacare to be shutdown, but all the union members. We have the "Premium" plan and we can keep it if the employers pay a hefty tax. At our next contract negotiations, we know the employers will be coming after our health plans for it will be a huge cost item for them. I wonder about the State and County employees under the EUTF. They could be in a bind because their plan is already underfunded and will cost the State and Country some $17 Billion to catch up. This issue has the unions and the Republicans on the same side.
on October 6,2013 | 04:47PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Too bad. Obamacare is already in effect, and like Social Security and Medicare, Obamacare is here to stay.
on October 6,2013 | 05:19PM
kuroiwaj wrote:
And Obamacare can still be repealed to bring back sanity to the United States and stop the move in the direction of a second class socialistic European country. There is always hope.
on October 6,2013 | 08:59PM
savan68 wrote:
I guess you haven't heard, the White House gave a one year postponement of the Big Business mandate. Government employees are exempt and several waivers were also given to some states. Postponing the individual mandate, like the White House did for Big Business, is one of the 4 compromises the GOP is tried pass. The individual mandate is where individuals who don't have insurance, must get insurance or be taxed a fine of about $2,000 dollars a year, or sign up and pay for heath insurance. This is now just a game of chicken by both parties, since one of the parties haven't made any attempt to compromise. Kuroiwaj is correct, Private Unions were not able to get an exemption from the White House. They pushed for the ACA, but found out after it passed that there were portions of the bill that affect them directly, they want those provisions changed.
on October 7,2013 | 01:00AM
hawaiikone wrote:
Gee, wonder why it is that the public, who you and your friends like to say provided the "mandate" for the ACA, are now gradually shifting from support to opposition? Wonder if it's due to the constant string of broken promises, or maybe the fact that those with serious money or influence have been granted "waivers"? Seems like only us little people are going to be left holding the bag. Like I just mentioned in the "letters" section, enjoy your stereo.
on October 6,2013 | 11:34AM
CriticalReader wrote:
There you go again, HK. Believing that GOP talking points are reality. Remember your other firm belief based on what your mainland brothers in the nuthouse were spouting? Romney is going to win?
on October 6,2013 | 11:42AM
hawaiikone wrote:
You're still stuck on that? 58,167,260 others thought just like me. By the way, are you still claiming our deficit is meaningless and will never have to be paid back? Did you ever let the Chinese know like I suggested?
on October 6,2013 | 03:34PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Eh, HK, you're also revealing yourself as part of the sheeple faction of the GOP. "Seems like only us little people are going to be left holding the bag." That is precisely the structure sought by your beloved conservative movement. Left to achieve it's stated goals and policy objectives, You, a little person, pay for EVERYTHING, while the idolatrized "leaders" who feed you your talking points laugh all the way to the bank. It is the fundamental paradox of the conservative movement. 1-2% calling the shots, the rest being hurt by those shots, yet, the rest ignorantly adhering to those shots (dogma) because of the neat packaging in "Christianity", or "Patriotism", or the various and sundry "fear" issues concocted by the 1-2% funded fear mills. Fighting to lower taxes in brackets you don't even occupy? Trying to kill a health care intitiative you'll probably end up needing just to physically survive without becoming a hated "welfare" state recipient? Maybe that's not you specifically, but for most of those identifying as "conservative", that's what it comes down to.
on October 6,2013 | 11:55AM
kolohepalu wrote:
Thank you- exactly right. If one thing can be said about the Republican leadership, it is that they are masters at manipulating the chickens into voting for Colonel Sanders.
on October 6,2013 | 05:28PM
hawaiikone wrote:
It doesn't seem productive to respond. Virtually every issue quickly reverts to a conservative bashing rant. Choosing to ridicule the messenger rather than refute his message seems almost routine.
on October 6,2013 | 07:55PM
CriticalReader wrote:
As a child, hearing about all the empires and states destroyed by the leadership of basically neo-conservative lunatics (Nazi Germany, etc., etc.,) I always wondered, "how could an entire population allow themselves to be so poorly led over a cliff? Were these people stupid?" Now we see how those things can happen in the embodiment of the Tea Party. Still don't understand it at all, except to the extent I understand that insanity is a real condition and mass persuasion through dishonesty, hypocrisy and unreasonableness is possible.
on October 6,2013 | 12:03PM
hawaiikone wrote:
Wow. When can we expect the novel?
on October 6,2013 | 02:56PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Ignorant person. Nazi Germany was a national SOCIALIST political movement, antithetical to any principle remotely associated with the Tea Party which is focused on smaller government, less intrusive Federal regulation and authority, and above all decentralization of political power. These things, you would recognize, if you'd ever actually read any history, are the opposite of the centralization of power in a unitary national socialist government such as that created by the Fascists.------- In fact, many of the key features of National Socialism, are eerily familiar: Strong reliance on vilification of political enemies, a reliance on perceive race differences to stoke anger, a use of class differences to divide and conquer, a ceaseless propaganda program, centralized government control of industry, use of powerful government apparatus to silence opposition, and, above all a powerful charismatic executive willing to push aside the established government structure to achieve his ends.---- Sound familiar? I think it sounds like the working framework of the Obama administration, no? Am I calling Mr. Obama a fascist? Absolutely not. Do his political methods resemble that of the most famous Fascists? Absolutely yes.
on October 6,2013 | 03:16PM
hanalei395 wrote:
It was NATIONAL Socialism. Socialism ONLY for the Aryan race in Germany. In the U.S., there is socialism (no bones about it) called Social Security.
on October 6,2013 | 04:15PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Been dipping into the kool-aid, have you? Trying to claim a distinction because of the labels asserted on the issue of centralization of government is simply shibai flavored kool-aid. The Tea Party's "libertarianism", or really embracing of "libertarian" concepts, goes only so far and so long as it takes for them to realize their fantasy of taking control of government. Government under the GOP and Tea Partiers would be just as big and expensive, it would just look markedly different. For instance, massive amounts of federal dollars under Tea Party doctrine would be spent rounding up immiigrants and shipping them out of the Country. Law enforcement and military spending would quadruple and a war to prove Tea Partier's xenophobic driven compulsion and need to demonstrate their belief in the "true American" (not the likes of those born in Kenya) exceptionalism (that does not apply to the ability to care for its own citizens - all of them) defines you and your cause. But most of all, read your stated criteria for Nazism. Then juxtapose with the Tea Party. The similarities and available parallels as to each are striking. And that's true even on the most basic optic leve. Ted Cruz even has the same coloring as Hitler.
on October 6,2013 | 04:16PM
RichardCory wrote:
You have violated Godwin's Law. The victory goes to Pace.
on October 6,2013 | 04:14PM
Pacej001 wrote:
I probably violated it too. Hate those Hitler analogies, especially since they don't hold in our current circumstance. After all, Hitler, though evil, was a political genius. See, doesn't work at all.
on October 6,2013 | 05:10PM
CriticalReader wrote:
I think so, pace. An attempt to link Obama to either Hitler or Nazism is pretty laughable and unsupportable.
on October 6,2013 | 06:27PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Actually, I drew these comparisons as the Tea Party emerged, so I do not use it merely to "win" an argument. And, the corollary to Godwin's law actually at play here is the reference to "Godwin's law" itself, for the purpose of gaining advantage in a debate, or censorship, or to shut the other up. Let's see how well that works for you. The politics of neo-conservatism, including intolerance, and unreasonableness - such as Nazism and something sharing great similarities (like Tea Partyism), must be identified whenever and wherever it occurs - not out of disrespect for those who've suffered at the hands of either, but to prevent their proven and potential results. How's that?
on October 6,2013 | 06:25PM
Anonymous wrote:
Oh so Wrong, Hawaiikone! Go back and do YOUR research, instead of trying to swallow your luau feet! Show proof about your 'waivers' before spouting disinformation you cannot back up!
on October 6,2013 | 02:06PM
hawaiikone wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/02/white-house-delays-employer-mandate-requirement-until-2015/
on October 6,2013 | 03:40PM
cojef wrote:
Big union went crying to the White House, Big business also got a delay ad the Grand daddy of them all, Congress is exempt and so are the staff members from the ACA. Just like in the feudal days of yore, there is the elite royalty and us the serfs, or like the cause of the Russian Revolution, the pheasant eaters and the peasant that had to provide the Czars and his entourage, while peasants te crow.
on October 6,2013 | 03:44PM
cojef wrote:
Excuse the sticky keyboard for the above post: 1st line ad s/b and, and last line te s/b ate. Congress drafted the bill and exempted themselves and when questioned about staff, they indicated that would they could not afford it. Thus, their insurance premiums will be reimbursed, meaning you and I will be paying it. If the ACA is good for the masses, why not for the taxpayers. The uninsured who elect not to be covered has the option of paying a nominal fine the first year of from $45 to $95 then by 2016, up to $650. It is cheaper to pay the fine and not be covered for the young who are unlikely to get ill. Thus ACA is not mandatory as we are led to believe.
on October 6,2013 | 04:00PM
localguy wrote:
This is all on dysfunctional bureaucrat Boehner. The ACA was signed in to law 3 years ago and republicans still can't accept that fact. Whining for a years delay so they can try to gut it. Even though they have tried for 3 years and failed, they want another year. This time the whiny, snot nosed punks are trying to threaten the entire country so they can get their way. A desperate act by clueless bureaucrats who are so busy kow towing to the party line they can't see how their incompetence will hurt everyone, not to mention the image of the USA. Time to slap Boehner and his merry band of thieves in to reality. You had an entire year to do your job and willfully failed. Admit it, pass the bill and try again next year. What an i d i o t Boehner is.
on October 6,2013 | 09:30AM
thepartyfirst wrote:
The ACA and Obamacare, are they same thing?
on October 6,2013 | 10:01AM
RichardCory wrote:
The fact that you even need to ask that question makes me weep for the future. Yes. The answer is yes.
on October 6,2013 | 10:04AM
localguy wrote:
A product of the Nei's failing education system. :)
on October 6,2013 | 10:14AM
localguy wrote:
DUH!!!!
on October 6,2013 | 10:06AM
thepartyfirst wrote:
All the Dems voted for it and all the Republicans voted against it. Now after reading it, the public knows this bill is a economic disaster. I say fund the whole government and defund the ACA.
on October 6,2013 | 11:18AM
MKN wrote:
Explain how this bill is an economic disaster? That's all the Republicans say about anything that they don't like. Social Security was supposedly an economic disaster. Medicare was supposedly an economic disaster. The last time I checked, our economy didn't go down the tubes and that was well over 30 to 40 years ago for both programs. Most other democracies have universal healthcare and those economies are doing just fine last time I checked.
on October 6,2013 | 01:59PM
thepartyfirst wrote:
I don't trust anything from this dysfunctional Administration. I don't care what you all say.
on October 6,2013 | 03:12PM
MKN wrote:
@thepartyfirst: Yah that's what I thought. You have no reasonable explanation that you can use to explain your stance. If you want to bring up the issue of trust, remember that most of the spying programs that exist now that most people are complaining about were created under the Bush administration. LOL!
on October 6,2013 | 04:23PM
thepartyfirst wrote:
Bush is not the Pres. anymore. Obama said he will balance the budget. Well? Using the Government to spy/harrass those who did not vote for him or have a different opinion than him, there is no Statemen about Obama for he will not lead/facilitate/negotiate except to blame, calls policemen stupid, gets involve with local police work with Trayvon Martin to start a racial divide, constantly scolding, making fun of other politicians, making fun of the American People, etc., etc. Worst part of all this, the media protects him and all you airheads just fall in line. The bigger the Government gets, the more I don't trust it. You boneheads forget, it is "We the people........" We have the right to life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness and not the Government getting more control of our life. Wake up!
on October 6,2013 | 10:02PM
MKN wrote:
@thepartyfirst: Like I said, you still have no explanation to explain your stance. You are a joke! Why should anyone listen to the hot air that you seem to be spewing. LOL! What you're saying doesn't even make sense. Stop drinking the crazy talk tea party koolaid that you've been drinking and get a life. If you must know, I believe that both parties suck, but right now the Republicans have gone over the deep end and are right on course to drive our economy back into recession just because they want to win politically. If it wasn't for all the gerrymandering going on in the southern states, most of these crazy people would get kicked out of office. More moderates on both sides of the party need to get elected and start compromising on stuff. Not all this my way or the highway stuff and that goes for both sides Democrat and Republican.
on October 6,2013 | 10:34PM
thepartyfirst wrote:
MKN: Keep bending over.
on October 6,2013 | 11:01PM
thepartyfirst wrote:
How much more are we in debt since Obama took office? He said he will balance the budget. Lies. Who's paying for the non-producers hand outs? Why are we trying to raise the debt ceiling? Why are we spending a bigger portion of every dollar we print? Who's going to pay for the massive tax increase called Obamacare?
on October 6,2013 | 11:49PM
Anonymous wrote:
I really don't know what you thought you read about the ACA also called 'Obamacare' but the facts are not backed up by your presumptions! The ACA legislation is not perfect, but it suffices to help more Americans to get some form of healthcare support to help alleviate the disastrous results of not having any healthcare coverage at all! If the GoP had their way, they wouild deny any sort of assistance in healthcare to those who cannot afford it; within the last 3 years since the passing of the Affordable Care Act, the GoP have not been able to come up with anything to replace it with, that would do 1/10th its purpose!
on October 6,2013 | 02:13PM
localguy wrote:
Here is some of the Republican shabai we have to deal with: Although some members of the GOP are trying to be reasonable, admitting that the political theater is hurting real people and maybe their party needs to consider a compromise, it’s clear that the most extreme faction of the GOP is still running the show…and hogging the camera. Lots of media appearances means lots of opportunities to say really unbelievable things. Here are just 8 stupid statements they’ve managed to make so far: 1. Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann was on the “government shutdowns are great” bandwagon before the shutdown was officially even on, telling reporters: “We’re very excited. It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.” 2. North Carolina Rep. Renee Elmers has no problem cutting off other government employees’ pay, but she won’t go without it herself. “The thing of it is, I need my paycheck. That is the bottom line.” 3. Indiana Rep. Todd Rotika has been battling with the media, at least when he’s not belittling them as professionals. He told one female reporter who asked him to justify his opposition to Obamacare, “Carol, you’re beautiful but you have to be honest as well.” 4. Texas Senator Ted Cruz says the shutdown could lead to a terrorist attack. “If, God forbid, we see an attack on the United States because the intelligence community was not adequately funded, every member of the committee would be horrified. So I hope issues of partisan politics can be set aside and we can all come together and pass, right now by the end of the day, a continuing resolution to fully fund the Department of Defense and intelligence community.” 5. Indiana Rep. Marlin Stutzman isn’t even entirely sure if the GOP has an endgame anymore. “We’re not going to be disrespected… We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.” 6. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, who claimed that the government was putting extra effort to close off the World War II Memorial, said: “Some idiot in the government sent goons out there to set up barricades so they couldn’t see the monument. People had to spend hours setting up barricades where there are never barricades, to prevent people from seeing the World War II monument, because they’re trying to play a charade. They’re doing it because they just aren’t serious about this… They like the shutdown.” 7. Texas Rep. Steve Stockman headed into the shutdown claiming that it would be good for Republicans and that the last government shutdown was good for the party, too. Now, he responded to the lack of passage of a bill that would fund only veterans’ benefits as a “curb stomping.” “Democrats are voting to kill clean, no-strings-attached funding for veterans care because Obama told them to. That’s sick,” he said in one message on Twitter, followed later by “Democrats just curb-stomped veterans. Because Obama told them to.” 8. Finally, in what can only be seen as the height of chutzpa, Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor has sent out a memo saying that the shutdown is entirely the fault of a Democratic administration that for some crazy reason just won’t compromise. “This shutdown is a result of President Obama and Majority Leader Reid refusing to reach across the aisle in a divided government, a problem that has sadly been a hallmark of this Administration.”
on October 6,2013 | 10:00AM
Anonymous wrote:
You really think anyone is going to read that mess?
on October 6,2013 | 02:56PM
localguy wrote:
I had it set up for spaces but it kept getting flagged. So I reworked it, kept the spaces. I never saw it got posted until now.
on October 6,2013 | 06:11PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Ok I am starting to read now and I will let u know when I am done.
on October 6,2013 | 06:20PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Ok I got the gist of it. By the way u can use <> brackets with the letter p between those brackets to break it up into paragraphs. Use it whenever u want a new paragraph.
on October 6,2013 | 06:23PM
BigErn wrote:
Hang tough Republicans. Don't let that sorry sack of excrement named Barry get his way.
on October 6,2013 | 10:02AM
CriticalReader wrote:
The news parallel to all the political troubles is the US's continued decline in educational achievement. "BigErn" is a good example of either the cause or the effect of that. "Hang tough Repbublicans"? At every hostage situation, there are yahoos in the crowd behind the barriers cheering on the criminals.
on October 6,2013 | 10:20AM
BigErn wrote:
and as excrement-barry continues to hold this nation hostage know this: we don't negotiate with terrorists
on October 6,2013 | 01:46PM
CriticalReader wrote:
No, our President certainly doesn't and has made that clear.
on October 6,2013 | 02:10PM
Anonymous wrote:
Won't negotiate with terrorrists? The GoP are the ones holding the Government hostage, BigErn! They are the ones willing to sacrifice the American People to get a few political concessions that do nothing to bring our country out of the doldrums it has been stuck in since the economic crash of 2008! The GoP are willing to burn down the house just to try and save face, as their own inept actions backed them into a corner! The GoP will learn the hard way that 'playing with fire' only results in getting yourself burned!
on October 6,2013 | 02:24PM
CriticalReader wrote:
What's hilarious about your post, BigErn, is that the GOP is DEMANDING NEGOTIATIONS! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
on October 6,2013 | 02:27PM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Hang tough Republicans". ..... A nice way to say ...hang tough, losers.
on October 6,2013 | 12:12PM
thepartyfirst wrote:
No Government should have so much power over it's citizens. Especially one ruled by the Constituton of the United States of American, something you Leftist hate.
on October 6,2013 | 01:50PM
NITRO08 wrote:
You must be crazy to believe in the republican party and the tea party unless you are a billionaire. Cause they sure are not for the middle class and the poor!
on October 6,2013 | 02:06PM
thepartyfirst wrote:
Right the Dems are for the middle class and poor, to keep them there.
on October 6,2013 | 03:04PM
Pacej001 wrote:
According to Gallup polling, 46% of the Tea Partiers ARE middle class, earning $50K or bellow. The Tea Party supporters making over $50K/year is 55% as compared to 50% of all adults in the US. So, you're wrong. The Tea Party supporters are not to different from the general population.
on October 6,2013 | 03:24PM
localguy wrote:
Republican shibai comments in the news: North Carolina Rep. Renee Elmers has no problem cutting off other government employees’ pay, but she won’t go without it herself. “The thing of it is, I need my paycheck. That is the bottom line.” Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann was on the “government shutdowns are great” bandwagon before the shutdown was officially even on, telling reporters: “We’re very excited. It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.” Indiana Rep. Marlin Stutzman isn’t even entirely sure if the GOP has an endgame anymore. “We’re not going to be disrespected… We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”
on October 6,2013 | 10:08AM
CriticalReader wrote:
Stupid is as stupid does.
on October 6,2013 | 10:31AM
serious wrote:
localguy, I wish you would go watch some football games and get off this site with your garbage that is meanless.
on October 6,2013 | 11:21AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Of course, not a football score, but the reason why serious wants localguy to "get off this site" .....localguy: 1 ...... serious: 0
on October 6,2013 | 11:55AM
localguy wrote:
Well, I tried watching the UH games but they are so predictable. Lose, lose, lose, lose, lose. Vegas quit giving odds on UH.. Hmmm, you sound like one of our loser republican congressional or senate reps. They fail to understand the ACA was passed in to law 3 years ago, upheld by the supreme court, all attempts at blocking it have failed. Now the loser republicans are trying to use their last straw, threaten the financial health of the country to finally get their way. Sorry you whiny, snot nosed, spoiled brats, you lost. Get over it and move on. Do not even threaten to not keep this country going just so you can have your way.
on October 6,2013 | 06:18PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Hope the House Democrats have or will tomorrow introduce whatever they have to to start the process of having a clean debt ceiling limit bill available for vote by the 17th.
on October 6,2013 | 10:09AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Ravens 26, Dolphins 23, just went final.
on October 6,2013 | 10:18AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Bengals 13, Patriots 6, Final, Tom Brady's 52 game streak of a TD pass ends.
on October 6,2013 | 10:19AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Boehner 95, Obama 94, ten seconds remaining, Obama just called his last timeout.
on October 6,2013 | 10:20AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Blink Barry Blink, same initials as the Better Business Bureau.
on October 6,2013 | 10:22AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Boehner just went all in with his pocket of A-K, with Obama holding a pocket of J-J, with flop showing Q-K-J-10-4. Boehner's got an ace high straight of A-K-Q-J-10 and Obama has Three of a Kind, J-J-J. Fold Barry, unless if u want to lose it all.
on October 6,2013 | 10:26AM
CriticalReader wrote:
Cruz & Boehner, working on Sunday. Tsch, tsch.
on October 6,2013 | 10:35AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
They get paid salary not double time. So i guess its okay, because we are all "working" for free in this forum omg lol.
on October 6,2013 | 10:38AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Stubbornness works in certain endeavors in life, however not for the life of The United States of America. If we default, its the CEO's (The President) fault, not the Board of Directors (Congress). What is happening is that President Obama wants to impose his will through Executive Powers, however when does Executive Power become dictatorial? Barry, recede, for the lives of 300 million people, and for the sake of the people in this world, because what will happen if the USA cannot police Al-Qaida anymore? Terror strikes will occur with more frequency and more strength, and to respond, what are you going to do? Order Nuclear Strikes on Syria? Barry, think of your fellow Americans, rather than your ego-centric thinking of ObamaCare !!
on October 6,2013 | 10:37AM
localguy wrote:
Yes but Obama is only on first down, one yard line. He will score, touchdown or field goal. Boehner will get slam dunked again. The guy is a born loser, has to have his way. Hey Boehner, call 1-800-EAT-S_ _ T. Deal with your loss like an adult, not some whiny kid.
on October 6,2013 | 06:21PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
What about a fumble? I am really an independent as I don't like to see people squabbling.
on October 6,2013 | 06:30PM
control wrote:
"Boehner insisted that Obama must negotiate"....someone needs to give a swift kick to Bonehead's backside. He is not in charge of this country and people are fed up with his tantrums.
on October 6,2013 | 10:30AM
thepartyfirst wrote:
I think you got it backwards. Empty suit all talk Barry is way over his head.
on October 6,2013 | 10:14PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Ted Cruz, working on Sunday. Tsch, tsch.
on October 6,2013 | 10:34AM
primowarrior wrote:
Another way to reduce our debt is to increase revenue. Would Boehner also be willing to concede tax increases to do that, or is only one side supposed to compromise?
on October 6,2013 | 10:56AM
serious wrote:
He has already conceded that, the US government has the highest revenue ever---IT'S THE SPENDING, STUPID!!! Obama got elected by the 48,000,000 people who don't work and get their money by signing the check on the back!!
on October 6,2013 | 11:24AM
primowarrior wrote:
Go back and check your facts. Revenue is not the highest ever, unless you fall for that Fox News drivel hook, line, and sinker. And as far as Boehner's concessions, he has already stated that he plans to restore tax cuts for the wealthy as one of his demands for raising the debt ceiling. This debacle is more about how a small extremist group can use money and fear to control Boehner and the rest of the party in order to get their way.
on October 6,2013 | 01:17PM
Pacej001 wrote:
As soon as we see the Fox News slur it's a dead giveaway that the poster hasn't taken the time to get his facts straight. The estimated Federal tax revenue for 2013 is $2.712 trillion, the highest dollar figure ever and that's a comparison made in constant dollars. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
on October 6,2013 | 05:28PM
primowarrior wrote:
Before you accuse someone else of not getting their facts straight, you need to get yours straight. The figure you cited is 2013 CURRENT dollars. Look over to the right a few columns and you'll find the CONSTANT dollars. There are several prior years that exceeded 2013 revenue. You already have the url.
on October 6,2013 | 06:27PM
kuroiwaj wrote:
Boehner and the Republicans must hold for all Americans, Democrats and Republicans. It is the spending and Obama-care exploding the annual spending. Even with the increases of taxes, its not covering the spending. We must reduce the spending by $750 Billion a year.
on October 6,2013 | 12:27PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Totally cut Defense spending or the Medicare/medicaid program would be the only way to save 750 billion. The rest of government spending is peanuts in comparison to these 2 items. Could you see that happening any time soon?
on October 6,2013 | 02:05PM
Anonymous wrote:
750 billion is less than 1/4 of the budget.
on October 6,2013 | 03:01PM
kuroiwaj wrote:
Anonymous, it's 20% or 1/5 of the spending of $3.5 Trillion with tax and other revenues at $2.5 Trillion. We are already spending $1.0 Trillion more than our yearly income. Oh, Pres. Obama can sign off on the Keystone Pipeline and that would generate an additional $100 Billion a year in tax collections and create 20,000 middle income wages.
on October 6,2013 | 03:32PM
NoFire wrote:
How about some concessions for us taxpayers too...term limits, reigning in congressional salaries, perks, medical benefits and pensions for a start!
on October 6,2013 | 12:23PM
BigErn wrote:
Time to impeach the most ineffective, dishonest and most pompous fascist misanthrope to ever lead an industrialized nation. That's right excrement barry, I'm talking about you.
on October 6,2013 | 01:43PM
Maipono wrote:
Ironic that the principle of speaking out against what you believe is harmful to America is considered "whiny". In Fascism , you have one way, the great leader's way and nothing else. Fascism happened in history when opposing view points were silenced by mob rule. Thankfully, in America, don't have a leader that wants everything his way with out any input from the opposing party. We have a leader that doesn't demonize individual Americans that disagree with him. A fascist leader would use all the powers of government to intimidate the private citizen who disagrees with him, like closing national monuments, or using the IRS to harass "whiners". Wait a minute Obama is president, never mind about what I just wrote.....
on October 6,2013 | 02:03PM
CriticalReader wrote:
says the Nazi sympathizer.
on October 6,2013 | 02:11PM
Anonymous wrote:
Can we get an Adolf Hitler analogy?
on October 6,2013 | 03:02PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Get a history book and read it. I'm in the middle of Modern Times by Paul Johnson in which the rise of the Fascists in Germany is covered in great detail. Maipono is more right than wrong. Is Obama a Fascists? No. Are some of his smarmy political tactics similar to to those used in 1930s Germany? Absolutely.
on October 6,2013 | 03:30PM
CriticalReader wrote:
"Strong reliance on vilification of political enemies (hmmmm. Conservative Talk Radio, Ted Cruz, John Boehner, etc., etc. etc.), a reliance on perceive race differences to stoke anger (Like the Tea Party immigration wish list? Like the birther lunacy?) a use of class differences to divide and conquer (What was Romney's % when talking to his "peeps"? 47%???) , a ceaseless propaganda program (I wouldn't attribute this to the Tea Party and GOP is Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly and Beck would just shut up), centralized government control of industry (The Bush Administration's TARP program?), use of powerful government apparatus to silence opposition (Well, thank goodness the TP doesnt have control of the federal police powers), and, above all a powerful charismatic executive willing to push aside the established government structure to achieve his ends (Boehner? Cruz? Cheney? Santorum? Bachmann and Paline - HAHAHAHAHA - sorry, couldn't help it). Any other GOP 'stars" that I missed?)..---- Sound familiar?" You bet is sounds familiar.
on October 6,2013 | 04:29PM
Pacej001 wrote:
To not see how every criterion I listed applies directly to the Obama administration's conduct is to be willfully blind. OK, also deaf.
on October 6,2013 | 05:14PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Please provide examples of your contention, Pace. I did.
on October 6,2013 | 06:13PM
false wrote:
The markets will fall until the debt level is resolved. Sure, you'll have an occasional tick but it will continue to fall. My advice was to trim your stock portfolio and pick up big time when the debt issue is about to be resolved. Only my humble opinion but so far have been very accurate. The government shutdown issue is peanuts compared with the debt issue.
on October 6,2013 | 03:18PM
DAGR81 wrote:
barry is going down for the count.
on October 6,2013 | 04:02PM
Pali_Hwy wrote:
GOP seems to be taking lessons from La Cosa Nostra, extortion on a grand scale.
on October 6,2013 | 04:49PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Pali, Both houses of Congress have the same authority to set spending priorities. Each set of priorities is equally valid. The constitution says so. So, who determines who is distorting who (should that be whom?)? The House has zero obligation to fund Obamacare. Funding for laws passed by prior Congresses is increased, reduced, or zeroed by current congresses as a matter of routing. The passage of a law doesn't obligate us to fully fund it for an eternity.
on October 6,2013 | 05:19PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Nope, but in order to actually defund it, the GOP needs the votes to pass both houses and overcome a presidential veto. It doesn't have that. So, it's holding the functioning of government, and the consequences of government's non-functioning, over the heads of Americans with a simple message: "Give us what we want (but do not have the political ability to take by democratic process), or else we hurt other Americans." That's iin an effort to extort what it could not otherwise. It's the last fallback of the loser. Actually, not the last. The last fallback position of a loser is to actually inflict the hurt. So, the Tea Party is actually a bunch of partial total losers.
on October 6,2013 | 06:37PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Well, your spelling and punctuation looks right. That's about it.
on October 6,2013 | 05:05PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Boehner: No debt hike without a ice cream cone for the Republicans? Grow up already.
on October 6,2013 | 06:14PM
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