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Government shutdown enters 2nd week with no end in sight

By Donna Cassata

Associated Press

LAST UPDATED: 10:40 a.m. HST, Oct 07, 2013

WASHINGTON » The government shutdown entered its second week with no end in sight and ominous signs that the United States was closer to the first default in the nation's history as Speaker John Boehner ruled out any measure to boost borrowing authority without concessions from President Barack Obama.

The uncompromising talk rattled financial markets early today with the Dow dropping more than 100 points in early trading.

Just 10 days before the threat of default would be imminent, animosity among congressional leaders marked the stalemate and resolution seemed elusive.

A statement from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., accused Boehner of a credibility problem and called on him to allow a vote on a straightforward bill to re-open the government.

"There is now a consistent pattern of Speaker Boehner saying things that fly in the face of the facts or stand at odds with his past actions," said Adam Jentleson, a spokesman for Reid. "Americans across the country are suffering because Speaker Boehner refuses to come to grips with reality."

In response, Michael Steel, a spokesman for Boehner, said it was "time for Senate Democrats to stow their faux outrage and deal with the problems at hand. The federal government is shut down because Democrats refuse to negotiate, and the debt limit is right around the corner."

A defiant Boehner insists that Obama must negotiate if the president wants to end the shutdown and avert a default that could trigger a financial crisis and recession that would echo 2008 or worse. The 2008 financial crisis plunged the country into the worst recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

"We're not going to pass a clean debt limit increase," the Ohio Republican said in a television interview Sunday. "I told the president, there's no way we're going to pass one. The votes are not in the House to pass a clean debt limit, and the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us."

Boehner also said he lacks the votes "to pass a clean CR," or continuing resolution, a reference to the temporary spending bill without conditions that would keep the government operating.

Treasury Secretary Jack Lew has warned that the budget brinkmanship was "playing with fire" and implored Congress to pass legislation to re-open the government and increase the nation's $16.7 trillion debt limit. Lew reiterated that Obama has no intention to link either bill to Republican demands for changes in the 3-year-old health care law and spending cuts.

The shutdown has pushed hundreds of thousands of workers off the job, closed national parks and museums and stopped an array of government services.

The one bright spot today is a significant chunk of the furloughed federal workforce is headed back to work. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered nearly 350,000 back on the job, basing his decision on a Pentagon interpretation of a law called the Pay Our Military Act.

Those who remain at home or are working without paychecks are a step closer to getting back pay once the partial government shutdown ends. The Senate could act this week on the measure that passed the House unanimously on Saturday.

Democrats insist that Republicans could easily open the government if Boehner simply allows a vote on the emergency spending bill. Democrats argue that their 200 members in the House plus close to two dozen pragmatic Republicans would back a so-called clean bill, but the Speaker remains hamstrung by his tea party-strong GOP caucus.

"Let me issue him a friendly challenge. Put it on the floor today or Tuesday. I would bet there are the votes to pass it," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

In a series of Sunday television appearances, Lew warned that on Oct. 17, he exhausts the bookkeeping maneuvers he has been using to keep borrowing.

"I'm telling you that on the 17th, we run out of the ability to borrow, and Congress is playing with fire," Lew said.

Lew said that while Treasury expects to have $30 billion of cash on hand on Oct. 17, that money will be quickly exhausted in paying incoming bills given that the government's payments can run up to $60 billion on a single day.

Treasury issued a report on Thursday detailing in stark terms what could happen if the government actually defaulted on its obligations to service the national debt.

"A default would be unprecedented and has the potential to be catastrophic," the Treasury report said. "Credit markets could freeze, the value of the dollar could plummet, U.S. interest rates could skyrocket, the negative spillovers could reverberate around the world."

Private economists generally agree that a default on the U.S. debt would be extremely harmful, especially if the impasse was not resolved quickly.

"If they don't pay on the debt, that would cost us for generations to come," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics. He said a debt default would be a "cataclysmic" event that would roil financial markets in the United States and around the world.

Zandi said that holders of U.S. Treasury bonds would demand higher interest rates which would cost the country hundreds of billions of dollars in higher interest payments in coming years on the national debt.

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, a force in pushing Republicans to link changes to the health care law in exchange for keeping the government running, spelled out his conditions for raising the borrowing authority.

"We should look for three things. No. 1, we should look for some significant structural plan to reduce government spending. No. 2, we should avoid new taxes. And No. 3, we should look for ways to mitigate the harms from 'Obamacare,'" Cruz said, describing the debt ceiling as an issue that is among the "best leverage the Congress has to rein in the executive."

Boehner and Schumer were interviewed on ABC's "This Week," and Lew and Cruz on CNN's "State of the Union." Lew also appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation," ''Fox News Sunday" and NBC's "Meet the Press."

Associated Press writer Martin Crutsinger contributed to this report.

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Maipono wrote:
I had to laugh when I read: "A statement from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., accused Boehner of a credibility problem..." What a clueless group of people. I guess we should listen to Obama and Reid since their cred is so high! Right!!!!!!!!!
on October 7,2013 | 05:52AM
Grimbold wrote:
The Democrats have been spending money carelessly knowing they will run out of the option of borrowing more money and hitting the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling was established to reign in and prevent borderline criminal money wasters . Now we hit the debt ceiling, and what: The irresponsible voter-buying democrats complain that they hit their heads on it - and the ceiling does not want to give way.
on October 7,2013 | 09:11AM
Fred01 wrote:
Are you nuts? The Republicans have been spending money carelessly. The military is the majority of the national budget, yet they refuse to touch it. There is so much waste in the military.
on October 7,2013 | 01:27PM
XML808 wrote:
If Cruz had linked his deal to the reduction of the military and defense spending, he'd have my support. Otherwise, he's just perpetuation the same garbage, just in a different shape.
on October 7,2013 | 06:01AM
kuroiwaj wrote:
SML808, if you remember 2011 and 2012, the sequester reduced military spending by $500 billion and earlier after the budget agreement with Pres. Obama, reduced military spending by another $500 billion, making the total reduction since 2011 $1.0 Trillion.
on October 7,2013 | 12:58PM
Fred01 wrote:
You must get your data from Sean Hannity ding-bat wing-nut.
on October 7,2013 | 01:32PM
kuroiwaj wrote:
Hi Fred01, Go info from U.S. Dept of Defense budget. Try $60 Billion a year to 2021 for sequestration, and $78 Billion a year to 2019 (Sec. Gates) from voluntary cuts requested by Pres. Obama (pulling out of Iraq) for a total of $138 Billion a year for 7 years from a current $650 Billion/year Dept. of Defense fiscal budget. It's 20% cuts from Defense already in the books. Also, when the war in Afghanistan ends in 2014, the emergency appropriations for that war would save us tax payers some $90 Billion a year. Oh, the present "cuts" total $966 Billion over the seven years that started on 1 Oct 2011. By the way, did Mr. Hannity provide us any military cost numbers? Would be Interested where he got them from, if he did.
on October 7,2013 | 02:05PM
localguy wrote:
Here is an example of our clueless Republican Congressional members: North Carolina Rep. Renee Elmers has no problem cutting off other government employees’ pay, but she won’t go without it herself. “The thing of it is, I need my paycheck. That is the bottom line.” Indiana Rep. Marlin Stutzman isn’t even entirely sure if the GOP has an endgame anymore. “We’re not going to be disrespected… We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.” Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/8-stupid-things-the-gop-said-about-the-government-shutdown.html#ixzz2h3K5QYt0
on October 7,2013 | 06:02AM
Anonymous wrote:
That is embarrassing - no class!
on October 7,2013 | 12:13PM
allie wrote:
Republicans hate America and want it destroyed. Who would have imagined that
on October 7,2013 | 06:14AM
kennysmith wrote:
i hate both party i am going after them my self to. i don't like what they are doing to us.
on October 7,2013 | 08:02AM
AhiPoke wrote:
The same could be said for the democarats.
on October 7,2013 | 08:08AM
thepartyfirst wrote:
Reagan negociated, GW Bush negociated, Clinton negociated, but this empty suit fake statesmen will not. This crisis is all on Obama.
on October 7,2013 | 09:28AM
Joe_DA_Plumber wrote:
what are you talking about Obama has negotiated or compromised many times: Putin, Iran, Syria, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the muslim brotherhood....
on October 7,2013 | 11:53AM
Fred01 wrote:
Obama already negotiated on the Affordable Care Act. The republicans are like slobbering little crybaby toddlers. They have destroyed America.
on October 7,2013 | 01:34PM
Joe_DA_Plumber wrote:
The slobbering little crybabies will be all the middle class Obama voters when they see there healthcare premiums go up 3 to 4 times in cost. There's always winners and losers in liberal policies and its always the middle class, not little barry and his elitist buddies.
on October 7,2013 | 01:43PM
frontman wrote:
Stick to sports, something we know you nothing about.
on October 7,2013 | 10:37AM
DAGR81 wrote:
allie ...you are dumb as hell. Quit wasting our money and drop out of UH.
on October 7,2013 | 12:44PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Homes sales are up, people are getting jobs, the DOW is up, everything the GOP hates because it makes OBAMA look good. Next they will be poisoning the water supply, GOP ,genetically oppressed politicians.
on October 7,2013 | 01:06PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Obamacare might as well have been enacted by a military or civilian dictator or a one-party of Yes subservient to a dictator or a president by virtue of Marshal Law.

Obamacare is the only law in the history of the US Congress that did not receive a single Republican vote.
on October 7,2013 | 02:07PM
MichaelG wrote:
I don't understand why the speaker refuses to schedule a straight forward up or down vote on the budget. The republicans are holding our country hostage. They are acting like terrorist.
on October 7,2013 | 06:23AM
localguy wrote:
Did you see him on the evening news? Slamming the table, whining how no one would play with him and his toys. Crying for his mommy? Did you notice how much Boehner looks and sounds like a video reverend? The man is in love with himself. He hasn't got a clue how his failures are hurting the country. Not to worry. His time as speaker is over, he is damaged good, vote of no confidence. What a babooze.
on October 7,2013 | 06:49AM
Kuniarr wrote:
The naive and the gullible Democrat do not know that Obamacare is a law that can only be be passed in a country ruled by a military or civilian dictator, or by a single party system.

Obamacare is the only law in the long history of this United States of America that has not received a single vote from an opposing political party. Yes, Obamacare is the product of having a law enacted by all Democrats with the help of two Independents thru a legislative procedure that did not have to go thru the normal procedure for enacting a law.
on October 7,2013 | 09:44AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
What have the GOP voted on in favor of OBAMA? Kuns? Nothing, talk about the kettle.
on October 7,2013 | 01:08PM
boshio wrote:
Its only because the Affordable Health Care Act was Obama's idea.
on October 7,2013 | 01:25PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Boehner won't have that up or down vote, because he KNOWS there are 20 Republicans who will vote with the Democrats. And Boehner "insists that Obama MUST negotiate". Meaning ....."negotiate" to shutdown Obamacare.
on October 7,2013 | 06:52AM
hanalei395 wrote:
The latest news is that there are now 22 Republicans who will vote with the Democrats. And also, there is a report that there are at least 150 Republicans who will vote with the Democrats IF it was a "secret ballot".
on October 7,2013 | 08:18AM
Fred01 wrote:
on October 7,2013 | 01:36PM
Pacej001 wrote:
I can't understand why Harry Reid won't allow the Senate to vote to fund the Veterans Administration or the National Institutes of Health. He allowed a vote to continue paying the military, but not these other agencies? Why could that be? ---------Here's the issue in a nutshell: The House and Senate disagree on spending priorities. This is fully within each body's constitutional boundaries. Neither have an obligation to be bound by a prior House or a prior Senate's funding priorities. What they DO have an obligation to do is to deliberate and compromise to continue Federal functions. One of the two parties, the Senate, is refusing to even deliberate. Same with the president. That's where the fault lies.
on October 7,2013 | 07:30AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"That's where the fault lies" ......The fault lies with Boehner who won't let the House to stop this shutdown and won't let it to re-open the government.
on October 7,2013 | 07:52AM
Pacej001 wrote:
Either the Senate OR the House have the power to stop the shutdown, by compromise or by simply agreeing with the other side's spending priorities. It's illogical to say that the House is more responsible for the shutdown, especially since the Senate refuses to even negotiate.------ I'm pretty sure the Constitution doesn't have a "my way or the highway" clause. ----- Until the president and democrats stop acting like three year olds holding their breath and begin negotiations, they are more at fault.
on October 7,2013 | 08:02AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"by compromise" ......No, Obama won. He's the winner, but the Republicans want to be "winners" too. And the only way they can do that is to "compromise", and that is .....shut down Obamacare and there will be no more government shutdown. Besides, as one Repub. Rep. said for their version of "compromise" ..... "We have to get SOMETHING out of this. We are NOT going to be disrespected".
on October 7,2013 | 08:46AM
Pacej001 wrote:
He won what? He was reelected, but, because we have a government based on separation of powers, he does not have undisputed control. He does not control the House which was elected by Republicans determined to stop Obamacare. That is their elected job and they are attempting to do it. ---- Yet, the president, acting like a spoiled child, will not accept the facts of government under our constitution, and sit down to negotiate with the opposition. The republicans aren't asking that Obamacare be repealed. They are asking for a one year delay and for Congress to pay the same as other citizens for medical insurance. ----- Given the problems with Obamacare's startup, a delay just makes sense and having Congress live under the laws they pass doesn't need explanation.
on October 7,2013 | 09:04AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"He won what?" ....He won with, and thanks, to Obamacare, now a law. Mitt lost (got dumped) because he wanted to dump Obamacare.
on October 7,2013 | 09:18AM
Pacej001 wrote:
IRT Hanalei: The founders wrote the Constitution so as to divide governing power between AND, in the case of the legislative branch, within the three components of our government. That Obama won an election means ZIP regarding congressional authority to decide how our money is spent. That authority is shared equally by the House and Senate. The current House is in no way bound by the spending priorities of the House that passed Obamacare back in 2009.
on October 7,2013 | 11:07AM
hanalei395 wrote:
To Pace: ...Yeah, OK .......HOWEVER ....Obamacare is here to stay. ... (Don't worry about it).
on October 7,2013 | 11:27AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Asking for 1 year delay, oh then 2 years,oh then wait for the next president, oh but that's Hillary, wait not enough money, how about 2025 ,oh yes by that time the sick children would be dead and terminally sick elderly buried. Yes,good,wipe the dribble off.
on October 7,2013 | 01:14PM
false wrote:
Just who is the WE that you toss around so freely? You and that bozo laughingly called POUS?
on October 7,2013 | 10:08AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Well Bozo, that "WE" who said "We have to get SOMETHING out of this" ... was Indiana Republican Rep. Martin Sttuzman. (Got it? Bozo.)
on October 7,2013 | 10:33AM
808behappy wrote:
This isn't about spending priorities this is about Obamacare and the Republicans trying to remove it by blackmail. Separate the 2 bills!
on October 7,2013 | 12:07PM
CriticalReader wrote:
One has the sense that way back when the constitution was being created, the Tyranny of the few being practiced by the Tea Party was what it was designed to prevent. Perversion of the constitutional purposes through use of flawed procedure (the ability of a single individual like John Boehner to prevent the Congressional House to simply vote on what a clear majority of America wants to happen) could not have been "contemplated" by the "constitution". One thing that we as a nation have always prided ourselves on is the ability to survive the minority efforts at Tyranny that have threatened our existence. To do that we have always gone back to the constitution to re-affirm our collective goal and desire to avoid Tyranny by a few. That is why it is so unsettling to see Pace hold out the constitution as any sort of justification for threatening the destruction of our home. Such delusional claims of "righteousness" have destroyed empires, states and civilizations throughout history.
on October 7,2013 | 02:25PM
XML808 wrote:
Boehner is refusing to have an up/down vote. THAT's where the problem is. On the issue of funding for the military, wake up. War is big business. The defense contractors contribute to BOTH sides and that's why they preserve their funding for military and related services.
on October 7,2013 | 07:59AM
cwo4usn1 wrote:
No, the problem was "We have to pass this bill so we can see what's in it"! Anyone remember who made that statement?
on October 7,2013 | 11:41AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Ahhh,you did sailor?
on October 7,2013 | 01:16PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Of course you do not understand.
on October 7,2013 | 02:08PM
lee1957 wrote:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.
on October 7,2013 | 06:48AM
HD36 wrote:
Slow death or Fast death? Taper or more QE? Alogorythem flash trade by Morgan Stanley and other large banks is holding the Treasury Market up and yeilds down for now. Foreignors have been selling bonds en mass. More QE by dove Yellen will cause further devaluation of the dollar resulting in capital cost structure destruction via shrinking profit margins.
on October 7,2013 | 07:13AM
lee1957 wrote:
Interesting that our ability to borrow is backed by the full faith and credit of the U. S. Government. Maintaining the illusion we can be trusted is the only thing that keeps our economy from collapsing.
on October 7,2013 | 06:49AM
boshio wrote:
Yes, this and the government "creative accounting" methods.
on October 7,2013 | 01:29PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Well Congress and President Obama has done something that engineers and traffic experts have not been able to do for decades. They solved the traffic problem. I got home in record time last Friday.
on October 7,2013 | 06:54AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
The blame for this lies squarely on politicians. It doesn't matter if it's Democrats, Republicans, or Tea Partiers. So, this is what I propose. 1) If a shutdown is proposed, the first line of cuts should be out of politician pockets; pay and benefits. No retro pay either after the shutdown is lifted. 2) but their pay and retirement benefits so that it's more in line with the average American. They will never know what we go thru if they don't feel the pain we do. This should also weed out politicians who are in it for the pay and retirement benefits. Politics suck!
on October 7,2013 | 06:59AM
GorillaSmith wrote:
To continue to back the contemptible Dems despite their responsibility for this farce is to truly be drinking the Kool-Aid.
on October 7,2013 | 07:15AM
mcc wrote:
Where is Maizie? I guess non essential are on furlough.
on October 7,2013 | 07:21AM
thatsmyname wrote:
That is funny but true!
on October 7,2013 | 10:42AM
LittleEarl_01 wrote:
Okay I want all you kids, from the Executive and Congressional sides of the house, to either get this solved or get out of the taxpayers sandbox. Don't even think of taking the taxpayers pail and shovel.
on October 7,2013 | 07:35AM
boshio wrote:
Voters of america will need to stop voting for extremist on both sides. This is ridiculous and an embrassement to all of us.
on October 7,2013 | 07:51AM
cojef wrote:
Political gamemanship with no winners yet again the taxpayers are the victims and politicians with perks merrily whistle away "Yankee Doodle" with indifference.
on October 7,2013 | 07:53AM
honokai wrote:
What on earth is a continuing resolution anyhow? We are suppose to have a budget. The budget starts in the Republican house and needs to completed by Democrat Senate and signed by the president. The country is completely divided. It takes trust and leadership to get this done. Repeating a million times that one side is a bunch of terrorists and nutcases is not leadership.
on October 7,2013 | 08:00AM
kennysmith wrote:
i am going to vote them out of office real soon. when i get a chance
on October 7,2013 | 08:01AM
F8TH wrote:
If a business or a person spent and borrowed money like our government is doing now, both would be bankrupt. When a business or a person goes bankrupt, everyone loses. The entity is forgiven of its debt but someone has to pay for it. Do you think the countries and governments that have loaned the US money will forgive the US if we fail to pay back our 16 TRILLION DOLLAR debt? How irresponsible can anyone be and not be called to the table in the end to answer for their actions? How will the US government be called to be responsible for the debt it put our country into? Ultimately, WE the people will PAY the price of their failures. People like when the government gives them money and assistance but they don't want to pay for it. How many people would volunteer to increase their personal taxes to the government to help pay for these programs? I don't know of anyone who would. The Republicans are being played out as the bad guys, the trouble makers who put congress in this predicament and government workers out of work. The reality that people can not see through is, they are the ones who are trying to be responsible administrators of our government both now and for our future. They are trying very hard to reduce our deficit and balance our nation's budget, just as you would with our own personal finances. The equation is very simple, there are only two sides of the financial balance scale; INCOME and EXPENSES.. We either cut the expenses side (spending), increase the income side (revenue from taxes) or do both. When we want to keep spending but don't have the means to pay for it, we BORROW. If we borrow MORE than we can payback, we go into DEBT, and if the debt is more than all the assets we own, we have to file bankruptcy. THIS is where we are now. There is NO WAY our government can pay back the debt it owes especially when it wants to continue to spend more than it is taking in. Increasing taxes to cover the increased spending would be political suicide for the Dems, so they want to continue to spend more money without raising taxes. Instead, they want to raise the DEBT CEILING to above $16 trillion. So, who is REALLY to blame here? Remember folks, we put them there with out votes and we will pay the price for their irresponsible acts.
on October 7,2013 | 08:05AM
Grimbold wrote:
The Government can easily pay back all the money by stealing it from the responsible good people who pay taxes. Hide your assets, because emergency laws aimed at stealing the money from us, the minority, the people who have saved all their lives are coming. Obama got elected because the solid citizens who contribute to the country more than they take, are Minority already.
on October 7,2013 | 09:25AM
twitter6 wrote:
What is wrong with these clowns, simple resolution - play in the sandbox together so people can go back to work and pay their bills. Bunch of immature kids.
on October 7,2013 | 08:48AM
redneckMT wrote:
on October 7,2013 | 08:54AM
Grimbold wrote:
Our rotten politicians did not trust themselves, so they imposed a debt ceiling to prevent runaway spending of the US into bankruptcy. They have the obligation to not spend beyond the debt ceiling. It is an economic crime to raise it all the time and defeats the purpose of having it. All you socialist Democrat bloggers, give me an answer other than name-calling.
on October 7,2013 | 09:20AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
The majority of the national debt was created by mistaken policy created by Democrats. The most recent, the housing crisis, increased the national debt by trillions, to save General Motors, Citibank, AIG, in essence this entire nation. The housing crisis was the result of mistaken policy by Clinton.

The Health Care System in this country works to a great degree, including provisions for seniors and poor, covered presently by Medicare and Medicaid. ObamaCare has the potential of increasing the national debt quite a bit, and I am surprised President Obama does not see that. The proverb goes that one can lead a horse to water, yet one cannot make the horse drink water. What makes Obama so certain that ObamaCare will make all people live to 100 and be healthy? Some by the laws of averages will simply pass away early due to alcohol related car accidents.

Please compromise Mr. President. Besides stop all this sour grape griping Barry just because u lost the House. Your slick used car sales pitch (and I know u know Pidgin English) is not working anymore.

on October 7,2013 | 09:52AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
ETSN: End The Shutdown Now
on October 7,2013 | 09:14AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Salmon swim upstream into fresh water to spawn and enough make it, to their place of birth and spawn enough to let us have delicious omega-3 Salmon. Congress is swimming upstream and two Salmon, Barack Obama and John Boehner, are barricading the stream so that all other Salmon would not make it to the spawning grounds. Unless a compromise is reached before October 17, 2013, the United States as we know it, will cease to exist. So the Mayans were right after all: December 12, 2012 is approaching.
on October 7,2013 | 09:30AM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
Dear Barack and John,

The Denver Broncos are 5-0 and appear headed to a Super Bowl for a championship for Peyton Manning. The Oregon Ducks, with Hawaii's own Marcus Mariota, is on track to meet Alabama in The BCS National Championship game. The Boston Red Sox, with our own Flyin' Hawaiian, Shane Victorino, is still on course to win their Third World Series in 10 years. The University of Hawaii Rainbow Wahine Volleyball team is strong enough to compete for their 5th National Championship. The Miami Heat is on schedule to win their third consecutive NBA World Championship. Liza is scheduled to become a great poker player. Please let this country continue otherwise all those people and countless others will not be able to celebrate their dreams.

Sincerely Yours, George

on October 7,2013 | 09:41AM
nalogirl wrote:
What is truly amazing is when the state was furloughed, without pay or retro pay, everyone was moaning about it. But when the feds furlough their workers everyone is agast that they won't get paid, and then congress agress to retro pay, so basically they were getting a paid vacation. Good that some went back to work, I'd rather they work and get paid, then not work and get retro pay.
on October 7,2013 | 09:56AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT nalo, state furloughs were Fridays only, so an 80% paycheck was better than no pay. As a state employee, my position was federally funded, so I worked on furlough Fridays. I'm still working in this position. somehow, the State found $$ to pay me.
on October 7,2013 | 10:14AM
South76 wrote:
The clowns at the square building on Beretania found the money by raiding the Hurricane Fund that was intended to be used when home owners are unable to rebuild in the event of a catastrophic hurricane came ashore.
on October 7,2013 | 02:16PM
Papakolea wrote:
Question: When two teenagers are playing chicken on a straight stretch of road, is it the fault of the guy driving east, or the guy driving west? Answer: they're both idiots for playing the game at all. BOTH the Democrat and Republican politicians are playing chicken, except that the difference is that they'll be fine after the crash. We're the ones who will suffer.
on October 7,2013 | 10:07AM
frontman wrote:
on October 7,2013 | 10:32AM
thatsmyname wrote:
on October 7,2013 | 10:44AM
carolm wrote:
I agree, too.
on October 7,2013 | 12:00PM
boshio wrote:
No more taxes until we have a new congress.
on October 7,2013 | 01:32PM
thatsmyname wrote:
Does it really matter, it seems that the government workers are on a paid vacation and therefore this is a no story. I can see if they were not going to get a pay check but come how can anyone have it better getting paid without going to work. I can see if they are still working and only then will they get retro pay for the work they did while government was shut down.
on October 7,2013 | 10:35AM
WesleySMori wrote:
"WELL", Mr. Boehner, May I CALL YOU "BONEHEAD"?????? "GOD BLESS HAWAII @ AMERICA"!!!!!!!!!!!
on October 7,2013 | 11:36AM
cwo4usn1 wrote:
Both the DNC & GOP are responsible for situation along with voters who have kept re-electing the leeches and incompetent politicians. This includes POTUS and his appointed minions. Time for us to take control of our country starting in 2014. Don't care what party you are affiliated with, vote out the incumbents, all of them and let's start fresh. But the problem with persist as long as big money backs the politicians. Term limits, term limits, term limits. No matter, House or Senate, 2 term limit.
on October 7,2013 | 11:48AM
South76 wrote:
Term limits would definitely help solve some of the problems of overspending and over-taxing...too many of the politicians get rich from the backs of the regular people...
on October 7,2013 | 02:22PM
Bensan wrote:
It was reported in the Star Advertiser, that a group of conservative activists, met and plotted to defund Obamacare. Out of that secret session, came a "blueprint to defunding Obamacare,”. Their strategy is very simple, “cut the funding for the entire Federal Government”. They worked to shut down the Government. They even produced a “tool kit” that included “talking points” for the question, “What happens when you shut down the government and you are blamed for it?” The suggested answer is the current answer all Republicans give today, “We are simply calling to fund the entire government except for the ACA/Obamacare”. The Republicans are saying, “I don’t want to hurt you, but it is your fault that I hurt you.” They are saying to the American public, “you made me do this to you, it is your fault for voting for President Obama.” They are like the typical spouse abuser.
on October 7,2013 | 11:54AM
gari wrote:
They are looking for the easy answer ..".some of them should be looking for programs with major flaws " the answer never comes from one place ...
on October 7,2013 | 11:55AM
primowarrior wrote:
This strategy of using government funding as leverage to defund Obamacare was originally concocted by Ed Meese and the Koch brothers. If they end up destroying our country, they have enough money to leave and continue their lavish lifestyles somewhere else, leaving the rest of us holding the bag. They are ultimately to blame for having created this crisis in the first place.
on October 7,2013 | 12:22PM
Komatose wrote:
Dear Miss Manners, I have two contracted housekeepers. They could not agree on how to clean house, who is responsible to purchase cleaning supplies, or who should do what. The first one would lock up the supplies of the 2nd one and then say that #2 was not doing his job and should be replaced. Now they are arguing about who is to blame for the mess in my house. They have now locked me out of my house saying it is not safe to go in, and they are still getting paid by the employment agency. They are also keeping the maintenance workers from getting through the gate. So should I hire new housekeepers? At what point should I change the locks?" My family really wishes to have access to what is ours. Mahalo.
on October 7,2013 | 12:32PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
SA posted a picture of a Tea party loonie at the bottom of this page.
on October 7,2013 | 01:20PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Just let the constituents call their senators, then have an up down vote. Simple. Bonehead doesn't want this? If the could have stop the 2012 Presidential vote, those cowards of the GOPpers would have tried it. But it's would fly in the face of our Constitution.
on October 7,2013 | 01:02PM
CloudForest wrote:
KERNING -----> look it up! Then we'll have something to really talk about!
on October 7,2013 | 01:26PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Do you know what I was talking about, NB? Thought so.
on October 7,2013 | 01:58PM
environmental_lady wrote:
It's amazing that so many people expect Obama to negotiate with a "gun at his head." The Republicans want nothing but total surrender. They want to ruin Obama. That's what they pledged to do as soon as they lost the Presidential election. Ever watched Rachel Maddow Show? There is so much disinformation out there. If the Republicans were serious about deficit reduction they'd end the unnecessary war in Afghanistan and bring home the troops. The same applies to Obama. He's hamstrung by the military-industrial complex that won't let him end the war sooner. The Tea Party is the party of billionaires and that's the root of all the trouble. They want to cut back the federal budget as much as possible but still retain big oil subsidies. The whole system stinks!
on October 7,2013 | 02:11PM
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