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Lawyer: NYPD officer didn't see SUV driver attacked

By Associated Press

LAST UPDATED: 09:08 a.m. HST, Oct 07, 2013

NEW YORK » A lawyer with the New York City detectives' union says an undercover officer present at a motorcycle rally that turned bloody did not witness the attack on an SUV driver.

Attorney Phil Karasyk says the detective was off duty when he joined the Sept. 29 rally.

He rode up Manhattan's West Side Highway after the SUV struck a biker. He followed the other bikers because he thought there had been a hit-and-run.

Karasyk says the detective later saw motorcyclists attacking the SUV. But he did not see the driver, Alexian Lien, pulled from the vehicle.

The detective did not come forward to disclose his presence at the scene for three days. Department officials are looking into the delay.

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egghead wrote:
...of course not...I really wouldn't expect any other answer....
on October 7,2013 | 09:10AM
Graham wrote:
I stand corrected on my previous comments...it has been reported that several people did help the attacked couple...GREAT they should decorated by the NYPD...as for the police Officers who saw the attack and did nothing hey should be FIRED>>>
on October 7,2013 | 09:54AM
steveoctober wrote:
Where's Deedy when you need him? He could have had a field day popping off a bunch of them and get an award for it.
on October 7,2013 | 10:00AM
false wrote:
Since the SUV driver was not black, the black cop didn't see anything.
on October 7,2013 | 10:12AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRT false, another dumb statement. You're on a roll.
on October 7,2013 | 01:17PM
serious wrote:
No, the SUV driver was not black or Obama would have called him.
on October 7,2013 | 02:17PM
st1d wrote:
in general, the police have no duty to protect a private individual from harm from another private individual. specifically, the police have a duty to protect an individual only in two circumstances: when a special relationship exists, or when it is a state created danger. so basically, lien was on his own.
on October 7,2013 | 11:20AM
primo1 wrote:
From the NYPD website: The mission of the New York City Police Department is to enhance the quality of life in our City by working in partnership with the community and in accordance with constitutional rights to enforce the laws, PRESERVE THE PEACE, REDUCE FEAR, AND PROVIDE FOR A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
on October 7,2013 | 12:01PM
Dolphin743 wrote:
Police must intervene if it appears that deadly force is being used againts another person. Deadly force is (not verbatim): force that can result in death or serious bodily harm. Serious bodily harm is generlly considered to be a broken bone, head trauma, stabbing, or worse...
on October 7,2013 | 12:26PM
BigdogMD wrote:
"Must" is the key word. As st1d stated, the only case where a law enforcement officer MUST intervene is in those two cases stated. Otherwise, the officer is only clear for intervention. A very important distinction. You think the police must protect us, but you are wrong.
on October 7,2013 | 01:18PM
primo1 wrote:
The NYPD "must" revise their mission statement then, since it is false based on what you and st1d are saying.
on October 7,2013 | 02:18PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
IRTst1d, you are so very wrong! another website cited: Police Officers perform general police duties and related work in the New York City Police Department. They patrol an assigned area on foot or in a vehicle; apprehend crime suspects; intervene in various situations involving crimes in progress, aided cases, complaints, emotionally disturbed persons, etc; respond to and investigate vehicular accidents; investigate specific offenses; interact with prisoners; operate and maintain patrol vehicle; issues summonses; obtain information regarding incidents by interviewing witnesses, victims, and/or complainants; safeguard and voucher found, seized or recovered property; provide information to the public; handle situations involving maltreated, abused or missing children; interact with juveniles; prepare forms and reports; testify in court; and perform related work.
on October 7,2013 | 01:16PM
st1d wrote:
i know it's disturbing, but it's the supreme court rulings in cases brought to it by police departments who sought protection from monetary lawsuits. i like the police, i just don't rely on them to personally protect me or my family.
on October 7,2013 | 03:29PM
sailfish1 wrote:
st1d - that doesn't sound right. Are you saying that a private individual can kill another private individual in front of a police officer and the police officer will do nothing?
on October 7,2013 | 02:16PM
st1d wrote:
isn't that the gist of the story? how can he see the suv being attacked but not the assault on lien? the officer(s) at the scene did nothing. all i'm saying is the supreme court has ruled in several cases that police have no duty to protect the individual.
on October 7,2013 | 03:33PM
st1d wrote:
"We, the men and women of the Honolulu Police Department, are dedicated to providing excellent service through partnerships that build trust, reduce crime, create a safe environment, and enhance the quality of life in our community." this is hpd's mythical lyrical meme of a mission statement from their web site.

together with nypd's mission statement you might feel peaceful, less fearful, safer, and maybe your quality of life is enhanced. visit their sites to get it from the source. print them out, the next time you are victimized, whip it out and show them to the crumb, try to use it as a shield.

bottom line, the supreme court has determined that the police have no duty to protect individuals from harm, except in the two cases i earlier cited.

you alone are responsible for your personal safety and for your family's personal safety.

on October 7,2013 | 01:35PM
st1d wrote:
the harsh reality is that the supreme court has ruled in favor of police departments who have been sued by individuals who were not protected by police.

look for yourself, search supreme court, police duty to protect. then try to sleep at night feeling safe, peaceful, free of fear, in an enhanced quality of life.

on October 7,2013 | 01:42PM
cojef wrote:
With the announcement about the undercover police officer within the ranks of the bikers, certainly can place his life in danger now. The chief honcho of the bikers will be checking each other out and I would not like to be in shoes, that's for sure.
on October 7,2013 | 02:12PM
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