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Hope? Boehner offers a short-term debt extension

By Andrew Taylor

Associated Press

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LAST UPDATED: 03:02 p.m. HST, Oct 10, 2013


WASHINGTON >> The nation's economy on the line, President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans groped inconclusively for a compromise to avert an unprecedented U.S. default as early as next week and end the 10-day-old partial government shutdown.

"We expect further conversations tonight," House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said cryptically tonight, after he, Speaker John Boehner and a delegation of other Republicans met for more than an hour with Obama at the White House.

The White House issued a statement describing the session as a good one, but adding, "no specific determination was made."

Yet it seemed the endgame was at hand in the crises that have bedeviled the divided government for weeks, rattled markets in the U.S. and overseas and locked 350,000 furloughed federal workers out of their jobs. Both sides expressed fresh hopes for a resolution soon.

The up-and-down day also featured a dour warning from Treasury Secretary Jack Lew, who told lawmakers that the prospect of default had already caused interest rates to rise -- and that worse lay ahead.

Appearing before the Senate Finance Committee, Lew said the Treasury must pay Social Security and veterans benefits as well as salaries to active duty military troops during the second half of this month. He said failure to raise the $16.7 trillion debt limit by Oct. 17 "could put timely payment of all of these at risk."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid advanced legislation to simply raise the debt limit and stave off the threat of an unprecedented federal financial default -- a measure that Republicans are likely to block unless he agrees to change it.

Across the Capitol, Boehner left open the possibility of launching a rival measure in the House on Friday.

As he described it for his rank and file in a closed-door morning session in the Capitol, it would leave the shutdown in place while raising the nation's $16.7 trillion debt limit and setting up negotiations between the GOP and the president over spending cuts and other issues.

At the White House, spokesman Jay Carney told reporters the president would "likely sign" a short-term extension in the debt ceiling, and did not rule out his doing so even if it left the shutdown intact.

Reid wasn't nearly as amenable. "Ain't gonna happen," he said brusquely.

By the time House Republicans had returned from the White House hours later, Rep. Hal Rogers, R-Ky., said part of their hope was to "quickly settle" on legislation to permit the government to reopen.

Rogers, the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, told reporters it was clear Obama would "like to have the shutdown stopped ... and we're trying to find out what he would insist upon in the (legislation) and what we would insist upon."

Heartened by any hint of progress, Wall Street chose to accentuate the positive. After days of decline, the Dow Jones industrial average soared 323 points on hopes that the divided government was taking steps to avoid a default. Reid's dismissive comments at the White House came at the end of the trading day.

After more than a week of lost tourism, some governors prevailed on the Obama administration to let states use their own money to pay for national parks to reopen, Grand Canyon and Zion among them. There was a catch -- the Interior Department made it clear it didn't plan to reimburse the states after the shutdown ends.

Senate Republicans forged ahead on an alternative of their own that would ease both the debt-limit and shutdown crises at once. Officials said that it would require Obama to agree to some relatively modest changes to the health care law that stands as his signature domestic achievement.

Some tea party-aligned lawmakers claimed partial credit for the GOP retreat, casting it as a way of finessing one problem so they could quickly resume their own campaign to deny operating funds for the national health care overhaul known as "Obamacare."

Ironically, Boehner's plan stirred grumbling among relatively moderate Republicans who said the shutdown should end, but little if any unhappiness among the staunch conservatives who often part company with party leaders.

One Republican said he and fellow tea party allies deserved at least partial recognition for the plan that would raise the debt limit without reopening the government.

"I actually went to (Majority Leader) Eric Cantor a couple days ago and I proposed this. I said, 'You're going to think this is crazy but I, as a conservative, would be willing to vote for a debt ceiling for six weeks.," said Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho.

Republicans also were ready to claim victory on another front, noting that they were now in negotiations with the president, who had said repeatedly there would be none until the government was open and default prevented.

Yet there was fresh polling to suggest it might be time for the GOP to cut its losses. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey said that 24 percent of those polled approve of the job the Republicans in Congress are doing, and 53 percent blame GOP lawmakers for the shutdown while 31 percent say Obama is at fault.

For his part, Reid has proposed no-strings-attached legislation to raise the debt limit by $1.1 trillion, enough to prevent a recurrence of the current standoff until after the 2014 elections.

In remarks on the Senate floor during the day, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the GOP leader, said that Democratic measure "just won't fly. ... The American people can be persuaded to raise the debt ceiling, but they're not in any mood to simply hand over a blank check."

Since the current standoff began more than two weeks ago, Republican demands have shifted continuously, while the president's position has remained essentially unchanged.

The shutdown began on Oct. 1 after Obama ruled out any concessions that would defund, delay or otherwise change the new health care law. He said he would be willing to negotiate on a range of issues, but only after the shutdown was ended and the debt limit raised.

Republicans drafted a long list of demands to accompany any increase in the debt limit, including some that would raise the cost of Medicare for better-off beneficiaries, make changes to the health care law and roll back several environmental regulations either issued or in the planning stages by the administration.

In recent days, the focus has shifted from the shutdown to the threat of default, and Republicans have spoken less and less frequently about insisting on concessions in the health care law.

The call for negotiations on long-term deficit cuts would mark a return to basics for the House Republican majority.

Shortly after taking control in 2011, the rank and file initiated a series of demands to cut spending, culminating in an agreement with Obama that cut more than $2 trillion over a decade.

After four years of trillion-dollar deficits, the 2013 shortfall is expected to register below $700 billion.

At the same time, the nation's debt rises inexorably. It was $10.6 trillion when Obama took office during the worst recession in decades, and has grown by $6.1 trillion in the years since.

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Associated Press writers Alan Fram, Stephen Ohlemacher, Andrew Taylor, Jim Kuhnhenn, Julie Pace, Donna Cassata and Martin Crutsinger contributed to this story.







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KeithHaugen wrote:
Negotiate? Is Bohner nuts or what? All he has to do is let the House vote and they would end the GOP shakedown.
on October 10,2013 | 06:51AM
hanalei395 wrote:
No mention of Obamacare. It looks like it is off the table and the Republican's persistence for a shutdown of Obamcare is a lost cause.
on October 10,2013 | 07:14AM
Malani wrote:
It was the Obamacare that the Boehner wanted to discuss before taking on the Debts which led to this shut down. Even if obama signs he stil will have his way. No discussion and corrections to Obamacare. Wake up GOP's.
on October 10,2013 | 08:57AM
Charliegrunt wrote:
It seems that the focus, contrary to the GOP's intent has shifted from the almost $17T and growing debt that will have to eventually be paid to OBAMACARE, which will increase it quickly. Not knowing what else to do, they shutdown the government. Like our local railroad, which made no attempt to study other cities with rail, no attempt was made to honestly evaluate countries that already have socialized medicine, to find out what works, what doesn't work, and what works for us. Norway and Denmark have socialized medicine that works for them. Are our citizens willing to pay 60-70% income tax like they do?
on October 10,2013 | 03:34PM
thepartyfirst wrote:
Our Statesmen Presidential leader: surrender first then I will negociate.
on October 10,2013 | 09:18AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Boehner, who is trapped and backed into a corner, says ......OK.
on October 10,2013 | 09:26AM
localguy wrote:
ACA/Obamacare was passed by law three years ago. Republicans tried everything they could to stop it, even the supreme court, and have always lost. Now they are holding the entire country hostage for one last attempt. Trying for a one year delay, defunding, on and on, they just can't admit failure. Face it Boehner and your minions, the war is over. Deal with it and move on. Fix other problems and quit costing Americans thousands to 10s of thousands of dollars they will never recover.
on October 10,2013 | 12:18PM
jomama wrote:
Gee, sounds like rail
on October 10,2013 | 03:26PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Even the rich are sick of Boehner's tactics.
on October 10,2013 | 04:32PM
WesleySMori wrote:
Well KEITH HAUGEN, It's "BONEHEAD" NOT BOHNER!!! "GOD BLESS HAWAII & AMERICA"!!!!!!!!!!
on October 10,2013 | 08:00AM
Leinanij wrote:
Maybe if you didn't call people names and use all caps people would take you seriously.
on October 10,2013 | 11:39AM
CriticalReader wrote:
OK, I'll "negotiate" and meet you halfway on behalf of Wesley, to cut to the chase: "Bonehead" not Bohner!!!! Feel better Lei?
on October 10,2013 | 11:44AM
WesleySMori wrote:
WELL, "LEINANIJ", There is A Saying, "IT TAKES 1 TO KNOW 1"!!! 'I AM ONE"!!! So What is Your REAL NAME @ What ARE YOU???? "GOD BLESS HAWAII @ AMERICA"!!!!!!!!!
on October 10,2013 | 05:27PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Why isn' read allowing the Senate to vote on House bills to continue funding for VA beefits and the National Institute of Health?
on October 10,2013 | 09:30AM
EightOEight wrote:
If the Tpublican House extortionists didn't shut down the government, they wouldn't need to be trying to redeem themselves now with piecemeal legislation. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/10/this-graph-explains-why-obama-rejected-the-piecemeal-approach-to-funding-government/280408/. Includes a CBO graph "Piecemeal approach to government funding is impractical and irresponsible".
on October 10,2013 | 10:28AM
CriticalReader wrote:
Because it would be tantamount to giving into terrorist piecemeal demands and probably false hostage safety assurances.
on October 10,2013 | 11:35AM
lee1957 wrote:
You mean like restoring the death gratuity to the military? We can't have Republicans picking and choosing what parts of the government they want funded, unless of course its to correct a bonehead mistake on our part.
on October 10,2013 | 11:38AM
CriticalReader wrote:
Even when dealing with criminals and terrorist hostage takers, you make provision for the hostages to be fed.
on October 10,2013 | 11:41AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
"We'll let one hostage go. The rest may still be executed, if we don't get our way." That sounds like a good deal to you?
on October 10,2013 | 12:19PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Boehner was a Democrat for a day.
on October 10,2013 | 04:32PM
CriticalReader wrote:
So, why keep the government shutdown? Like a child saying, "OK, I'll eat my vegetable,s but I won't clean my room".
on October 10,2013 | 07:28AM
hanalei395 wrote:
The Republicans are looking for a way to get out of this mess they brought among themselves by not losing face. Or, by not losing too much face.
on October 10,2013 | 08:16AM
Pacej001 wrote:
It's called negotiating leverage. With a budget passed and a debt ceiling increase approved the GOP will have no leverage. So, due to Obama's refusal to negotiate, as presidents have time again in the past, the government will remain closed.
on October 10,2013 | 09:32AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"It's called negotiating leverage" ....... Which means ....Saving face.
on October 10,2013 | 10:12AM
CriticalReader wrote:
Actually, because of the ramifications of a federal government shutdown upon people, it's called terrorism.
on October 10,2013 | 10:33AM
Leinanij wrote:
Very true. Home grown terrorists.
on October 10,2013 | 11:54AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Negotiation leverage means we couldn't get our way through the legislative process, so we will shut down the government until we do. Yes, very statesmanlike.
on October 10,2013 | 12:20PM
Pacej001 wrote:
This IS part of the legislative process. House has no obligation to agree with Senate spending proposal or funding for Federal programs, period. If they can't agree they negotiate/compromise. It has been so since the beginning of the republic.
on October 10,2013 | 03:28PM
CriticalReader wrote:
And, likewise, Neither the Senate nor President are obligated to agree to anything the House GOP/Tea Party wants. The difference is, the House GOP/Tea Party had before it a very simple way to keep the federal government open on October 1, 2013 - to pass a resolution continuing to fund the government at amounts they themselves demanded. They overreached and then demanded abolishment of a law designed or aspiring to make affordable health care available to all Americans. When there was no assent to that added demand, they shutdown the government. Thereafter, they've continuously threatened to expose the US, its people, and also the rest of the world to additional financial harm by preventing the US government from paying its bills. Yes, perhaps there is no procedural obligation for the House to agree to keep the government running, or to pay US bills. But to refuse to do either is simply wrong.
on October 10,2013 | 08:38PM
innocentBystander wrote:
Eat the rich!
on October 10,2013 | 08:22AM
pab123 wrote:
A temporary fix is unacceptable in my view. I for one would like this problem to be solved for more than six weeks. We have a backlog of major issues to deal with and a stop gap measure only assures us, that this debate, will come to haunt us again, soon. Important measures will not be dealt with and pushed aside leaving us in the same Never Land. Typical Beltway retoric is getting old and only succeeds at putting the country on hold. Not good government or governing at all but more of the same old 88. Insanity at it's worst.
on October 10,2013 | 08:25AM
Grimbold wrote:
Boehner has the same nose-problem I have: Every pore exudes grease and when you squeeze : Yuck!
on October 10,2013 | 08:28AM
EightOEight wrote:
TMI
on October 10,2013 | 10:36AM
alfhawaii wrote:
The GOP is so fixated on "Obamacare". Ironic that the states with the national parks have Republican delegations. Perhaps the voters in those states should reasses their voting preferences.
on October 10,2013 | 08:53AM
lee1957 wrote:
You mean states like, Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington??????????????
on October 10,2013 | 11:42AM
entrkn wrote:
No to extotion...
on October 10,2013 | 08:58AM
Pacej001 wrote:
Yes to negotiation and compromise.
on October 10,2013 | 09:33AM
CriticalReader wrote:
This is more aptly called extension of the "threat ceiling". Still holding federal workers and those affected by the economic effects of the shutdown hostage. That includes, pace, WWII Veterans wanting to visit the WWII Memorial. All the GOP has to do now is let a clean CR pass, and the terror imposed on those, who you are sooooo worried about, will be alleviated.l
on October 10,2013 | 11:39AM
Pacej001 wrote:
The House has no obligation to agree to Senate spending priorities or funding for Federal programs. By not even negotiating their differences with the House the president and Senate share responsibility for the shutdown and any economic consequences which follow.
on October 10,2013 | 03:30PM
CriticalReader wrote:
The President and Senate HAVE been negotiating. You see the results of that in today's news. The difference is, the Senate and President have taken the overall negotiation position that they will not discuss Obamacare or Budget matters unless and until a clean CR and raising of the debt limit are passed. Constitutional prerogatives and all that sort of thing, pace. Your problem is that you see "negotiation" as capitulation to what you want, and further, capitulation that should occur under threat and execution of government shutdown, and open threat of ruination of the national and world economies. But, movement based on "negotiation" is occurring. Make no mistake about that. "
on October 10,2013 | 08:22PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Obama and his thugs in Congress used bribery and extortion to get Obamacare passed. He is a hypocrite for accusing Republicans of such tactics for wanting to discuss and find solutions for the nation’s fiscal crisis.
on October 10,2013 | 09:52AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Obama and his thugs in Congress used bribery and extortion to get Obamacare passed" ..........Ronin also calls the Supreme Court, the people who voted for President Obama, and the people who signed up with Obamacare ..."thugs".
on October 10,2013 | 01:19PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Hanaleii395, you need to understand how the Supreme Court works. The Supreme Court did not pass Obamacare. The issue before it was whether the individual mandate in Obamacare was constitutional. The individual mandate required Americans to purchase health insurance or be fined for not doing so. The Supreme Court simply ruled that the fine imposed by the individual mandate was really a tax, and since Congress had the authority to levy taxes, the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE was not unconstitutional. It did not consider or rule on any other aspects of the Obamacare law.
on October 10,2013 | 02:45PM
hanalei395 wrote:
After the Supreme Court HELPED pass Obamacare, Rodin calls the Supreme Court "thugs".
on October 10,2013 | 03:39PM
Ronin006 wrote:
Hanalei395, say what you wish, but you are completely wrong about the Supreme Court passing or helping pass Obamacare. Only Congress can pass laws. It was passed by Congress three years before the Supreme Court ruled the individual mandate was constitutional. You need to take a course on how our government works.
on October 10,2013 | 05:11PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Bottom line ....anybody involved with Obamacare, ... Democrats, Supreme Court, Obama voters, people using Obamacare, ... are "thugs". (Acording to Ronin).
on October 10,2013 | 05:43PM
WesleySMori wrote:
PLEASE "HANALEI", Don't Call Ronin "RODIN"! If You Know What I mean and You DO!!! "LOL"!!!!
on October 10,2013 | 05:43PM
bsdetection wrote:
"Thug" is the Palin/Limbaugh party's code word for for the N word.
on October 13,2013 | 09:52AM
Ronin006 wrote:
Obama and his thugs in Congress used bribery and extortion to get Obamacare passed. He is a hypocrite for accusing Republicans of such tactics for wanting to discuss and find solutions for the nation’s fiscal crisis.
on October 10,2013 | 09:53AM
Silent_No_More wrote:
Don't forget to also give credit to our very own Hirono and Abercrombie, not to mention our inactive senator(s) that voted us into Obamacare. I wonder how many of them got a waiver besides the President himself?
on October 10,2013 | 10:57AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
How about the time that, Denny Hastert and Tom DeLay held the vote on the Medicare Part D Bill open for hours as they sought more votes. There are many such instances of GOP disdaining tradition and agreements to ram through votes.

In the case cited, did the Democrats fail to pass a debt ceiling increase or shut down the government? No, that's the stuff Republicans specialize in. They lost the vote and now they are threatening to destroy the credit worthiness of the U.S. government and prevent government from operating until they get what they couldn't achieve through the normal legislative process.


on October 10,2013 | 12:31PM
Ronin006 wrote:
BluesBreaker, do some research and you will find that most government shutdowns occurred when Republicans were in the White House and Democrats controlled Congress.
on October 10,2013 | 02:55PM
false wrote:
Way to go Bohner. You've got that bozo Obama where it hurts. The U.S. is getting deeper in debt and drastic action is needed. Spend, spend,spend is all the lolo wants to do. And where is the money to come from? Yes, that's right, out of your pocketbook.
on October 10,2013 | 09:17AM
EightOEight wrote:
Way to go Boehner, Tpublican approval rating hits a historical low of 28% - Gallup poll.
on October 10,2013 | 10:38AM
hanalei395 wrote:
And going down - 24% - NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.
on October 10,2013 | 03:41PM
tinapa wrote:
The Republicans propose to extend the debt limit but continue the shutdown. The President should and must stick to his previous demands that they open the government and extend the debt limit without any strings attached as a prelude to further negotiation. He should let them climb out of their hole by themselves and taste their own brand of medication.
on October 10,2013 | 09:27AM
Pacej001 wrote:
The Congress has the power of the purse. By our constitution, Congress, not the president has the final say on how much spending and debt is acceptable and over which Federal programs are funded. The House is exercising its rightful authority. The President and Senate, by failing to negotiate, are not fulfilling their Constitutional responsibility.
on October 10,2013 | 09:37AM
CriticalReader wrote:
That is why this is being viewed by many as a Constitutional Crisis. In fact, with the government shutdown, to what extent is the Constitution still operative (a serious question, actually)? The reason the answer to that question is not clear is that I think the don't think the beloved Framers contemplated that a group of Americans would behave in the manner AND to the extent the GOP Tea Partiers have. The "leverage" you covet, pace, was to come from the electorate, not from procedures that would lead to 1/2 of a branch of government from even being able to vote its will, as Boehner has practiced in his role as Speaker. And, I have to believe, not so that that same group of anarchists could shut down the very government the Constitution creates and threaten the world economy. The presumption built into the Constitution was an America of good will and common purpose. Not leverage and pain.
on October 10,2013 | 10:44AM
Pacej001 wrote:
Do you know nothing. This is not a constitutional crisis. This is a crisis of leadership. Our government of divided powers will work and has worked well, but its form guarantees that there will be differences which can only be resolved by negotiation and compromise. (Nothing else you had to say has enough logic to it to make a response possible.)
on October 10,2013 | 03:34PM
CriticalReader wrote:
The way the analysis goes is that the Tea Party's unreasonableness and tactics reveal the achilles heal of the US Constitution's prescribed form of Democracy. This is not some sort of machine. The mechanical moving parts are there, but the "Living Constitution" depends of good faith, good will and common national purpose to preserve the national interest. The Tea Party's threat is to do severe harm to the national interest. Shutting down the federal government, and ruining the economy no only of the US, but the World over which it tenuously presides is the aberration that was unthinkable until this past month. A group of Zealot terrorists actually participating in the governmental process worked openly to and did shut it down, and now persists with the threat to ruin lives. Is this what was contemplated by the forefathers? No. And so, their constitution is in crisis.
on October 10,2013 | 03:46PM
Pacej001 wrote:
"depends on good faith, good will and common national purpose": Excuse me, but you (the president and the democrat leadership) have pretty much destroyed any potential good will by all the name calling. We get it. You think people who disagree with you are evil.----------Good faith? A fundamental necessity for democracy to survive is the willing to negotiate and compromise on differences. Your side, refusing both, has no claim to good faith.---------- Your argument is overheated, based on invective, and it is illogical. There is no constitutional crisis, only the refusal of the president and the congress to govern as the constitution demands.
on October 10,2013 | 06:11PM
CriticalReader wrote:
You dish it out, you gotta take it. Shutdown the national government and threaten the nation with economic ruin, then consider yourself fortunate that ALL you get is namecalling.
on October 10,2013 | 08:14PM
EightOEight wrote:
Throwing out the word Constitution again to deflect on the failings of Tpublican strategy and tactics. You forgot to throw in the word patriots somewhere for good measure. The President and Senate are exercising their authority under the Constitution also, and the majority of Americans know exactly which party is failing the country right now.
on October 10,2013 | 10:53AM
Pacej001 wrote:
And the House, the legislative body most sensitive to public opinion given that all House members are subject to reelection every two years, has remained in Republican hands. Why? Because of public opposition to Obamacare and other Obama policies. The authority of the House over spending is absolutely equal to that of the Senate. The Senate has to negotiate or be responsible for continuation of the shutdown and any economic after effects.
on October 10,2013 | 03:38PM
EightOEight wrote:
A little gerrymandering and voter suppression helps, too, doesn't it pace?
on October 10,2013 | 04:14PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Well, this is a field pioneered by you liberals. The Chicago way? Sol Alinsky? Union political involvement? And, also, thanks very much for offering to open the illegal immigration floodgates so as to pad your voter rolls with poor people in need of entitlements.
on October 10,2013 | 06:14PM
EightOEight wrote:
That's it pace, keep demonizing those your party needs to survive, the ones your 1% pals rely on to do their dirty work on the cheap (is having a condescending attitude part of the Tpublican Hispanic outreach strategy?). Besides, Dems don't need to pad their voter rolls. You Tpublicans are doing an awesome job of turning off the majority of the electorate all by yourselves.
on October 10,2013 | 09:32PM
BluesBreaker wrote:
Bogus claim. The House is not exercising its rightful authority. The House passed a CR with its own budget numbers in it, which included sequestration cuts. The Senate merely took out the provision to defund Obamacare, which had nothing whatsoever to do with the rest of the CR. The Tea Bag suckers refuse to let the bill with their own budget numbers come to the floor for a vote, unless they can defund an existing law.
on October 10,2013 | 12:34PM
Pacej001 wrote:
"Tea Bag Suckers"= Juvenile, low brow trash talk. That they disagree over only one spending component (assuming you're correct) makes absolutely no difference regarding my argument. Defunding/underfunding/adding funding for existing laws happen all the time and the House is absolutely within its right to do so with Obamacare this time.------ And what's this sudden affection for "existing law" regarding Obamacare. Our saintly President has changed Obamacare repeatedly without coordinating with congress, delaying the business mandate being just one example. ------- Given this, why are the members of the House suddenly, "terrorists" or "anarchists" for proposing to do exactly what the President has just done? Your argument just doesn't cut it.
on October 10,2013 | 03:45PM
tinapa wrote:
There were laws that were repealed in the past but they were first allowed to go into effect and prove their worthiness and those that did not live up to expectations were repealed. Obamacare has not yet been implemented but its opponents have already dubbed it as a failure. How would they know that? Allow it to go into effect and prove its worthiness and if it turns out to be a failure, then the people would demand its abolition through the normal legislative process. Invalidating a duly enacted law through coercion is a mockery to our democratic process.
on October 10,2013 | 04:40PM
Pacej001 wrote:
Illogical comment: The republicans aren't asking for repeal of Obamacare. They want 1. Delay of the individual mandate for a year. 2. For congress to pay the same for Obamacare insurance that other citizens pay. 3. Repeal of the medical device tax.--------------- Given that Obama has, unilaterally changed the law himself numerous times, to include delaying the entire business mandate for a year, why are the republican demands unreasonable. Given that the Obamacare start-up is looking like a disaster, Why not delay it.------------- However, the most glaring problem is that Mr. Obama and the democrats refuse to even talk about it. My way or the highway. That's not the way real life works and it's not the way the Federal government should work.
on October 10,2013 | 06:20PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Dishonest spin, pace.
on October 10,2013 | 08:15PM
HonoluluHawaii wrote:
The Federal Government needs to ask for donations, just like Ben Jay did. Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Larry Ellison can help, among others. Also, don't get hoodwinked by contractors running up the bill, like for $100,000 toilets and $5.16 billion Rails.
on October 10,2013 | 10:40AM
awahana wrote:
First time I've seen right wing menehunes quiet here in comments. The GOP has shot themselves in the foot, after putting it in their mouth first, and while it's still in there...
on October 10,2013 | 10:51AM
false wrote:
And thats exactly what our local tepublican in the state house and senate did also. LOL
on October 10,2013 | 11:28AM
nalogirl wrote:
No we are still here reading your hateful, bullying remarks. I just choose not to be bullied on this comment section. Enjoy yourselves.
on October 10,2013 | 02:02PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Nalo, if you feel that way, you shouldn't read these things at all. You should confine your exposure to political thought and discourse to musings of John Boehner and Ted Cruz. . . So you won't hear any hateful or bullying remarks. And so YOU won't feel bullied.
on October 10,2013 | 08:47PM
false wrote:
Bone-head.
on October 10,2013 | 11:24AM
sailfish1 wrote:
A 6 week extension will bring us to Thanksgiving and then soon thereafter Christmas. So, after 6 weeks, who will be around in government to seriously do something about the government closure and debt ceiling? They had all year to do something about these items and once again they are haphazardly doing temporary patchwork to keep things stumbling along. What a disaster AGAIN!
on October 10,2013 | 11:56AM
CriticalReader wrote:
The GOP strategy is to stress us out during the holidays.
on October 10,2013 | 12:06PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Have to tread cautiously here. Boehner promised to deliver a few months ago and reneged. One would hope Boehner has played his hand well enough to make this pivot stick. But he whimped out before to save his job. Spines don't grow in a matter of a couple of weeks. That lack of spine continues to make him a very dangerous person. He needs either a House GOP coalition that secures his job ("livin' laaaarge with the secret service escort) or cover from a coalition of Democrats and GOP moderates.
on October 10,2013 | 12:05PM
tinapa wrote:
Several media report that the just concluded meeting between the Republicans and the President produces no agreement. However, both sides described the meeting as cordial and encouraging and agree to meet again tonight. It was also reported that Obamacare was rarely mentioned during the meeting, so it appears that is no longer the sticking point. Speculation was that the Speaker wants something from the President to help him convince the intransigent members of his party that this is the best deal. Nobody knows what that "something" is. But my hunch is they want the President to make cuts on the entitlements. So Democrats watch out. My take on this issue is the extension should be longer than 6 months; say at least 6 months.
on October 10,2013 | 03:21PM
mikethenovice wrote:
Boehner is a Democrat for a day.
on October 10,2013 | 04:31PM
Kapaho wrote:
Boehner is an stubborn idiot who won't let the Republicans decide on their own. The House needs to replace him with someone who is willing to listen and compromise.
on October 10,2013 | 06:21PM
entrkn wrote:
Social Security, Medicare, and ObamaCare are Entitlements and cannot be used as bargaining chips in any sort of tea party taliban extortion conspiracy. Tax Breaks and Tax Loopholes for wealthy people and corporations in America are Not Entitlements and must be revoked retroactively to the beginning of the Great Recession. After these adjustments are made, say in the next 90 days, we can then take a year and observe their effects and have a clearer picture of what, if any additional steps must be taken to achieve a continuing financial position.
on October 10,2013 | 07:18PM
entrkn wrote:
Social Security, Medicare, and ObamaCare are Entitlements. Tax Breaks and Tax Loopholes for wealthy people and corporations in America are Not Entitlements and must be revoked retroactively to the beginning of the Great Recession. After these adjustments are made, say in the next 90 days, we can then take a year and observe their effects and have a clearer picture of what, if any additional steps must be taken to achieve a continuing financial position.
on October 10,2013 | 07:19PM
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