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Japan takes China airspace issue before U.N. agency

By Martin Fackler

New York Times

LAST UPDATED: 01:40 a.m. HST, Dec 01, 2013

NIIGATA, Japan » Seeking broader international support for opposing China's claims to airspace over the East ChinaSea, Japan has asked the U.N. agency that oversees civil aviation to look into whether the newly created Chinese air defense zone could endanger civilian airliners, the Foreign Ministry said Saturday.

The ministry said that it submitted a proposal for the agency, the International Civil Aviation Organization, to examine whether China's move could threaten the order and safety of international aviation in the area. Though the organization can make only nonbinding recommendations, Japan appears to be hoping that the heightened international scrutiny will force China to back off its declared intent to control the airspace with military measures if necessary.

China's new "air defense identification zone" covers a broad section of sea that includes islands claimed by both nations, and overlaps with a zone claimed by Japan since the late 1960s. Japan views the zone, which China declared last week, as a new move to gain control of the islands, known as the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in Chinese.

China has said its new zone would not affect civilian air traffic, and was aimed instead at stopping Japanese military aircraft from entering airspace that it says rightfully belongs to China. However, China says that all aircraft, including commercial flights, must submit a flight plan before entering the zone.

While the U.S. military continues to fly into the zone without notifying China, Obama administration officials said Friday that they were advising American airlines to comply with the Chinese requirement in order to ensure their safety.

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pcman wrote:
China can't just bully their way and intrude over other country's territory. The boundaries are established in International Commercial Aviation Organization (ICAO) regulations and can't be changed without international considerations and agreements. The Japanese constitution prohibits armed combat except for self defense. At some point the Japanese will have to stand their ground (air space).
on November 30,2013 | 12:05PM
Nevadan wrote:
Aloha. If you know your history, you would have discovered that China was the one that was consistently bullied ... until Mao came along. The aggressor was Japan. If it wasn't for Pearl Harbour, it would have continued.
on November 30,2013 | 02:36PM
localguy wrote:
Just another reason to never, ever, trust the China. Way too many legend in their mind bureaucrats who see themselves as "Dear Leaders" when they are in reality, totally incompetent. Only interested in taking care of #1. China will never be a world leading nation with selfish acts like this. Sad....
on November 30,2013 | 02:01PM
Nevadan wrote:
You have two countries mixed up. Figure out your mistake !
on November 30,2013 | 03:41PM
HD36 wrote:
China is the world's largest creditor nation with over $3.76 trillion in foreign reserves. They just announced they will no longer be buying any US Treasury Bonds from the word's largest debtor nation in the history of the world. Knowing we are broke and the Ponzi scheme is going to implode soon, China is employing a trilateral strike, to bring down the dollar as the world's reserve currency they are: The word's largest buyer of gold, importing over 110 tonnes a month via Hong Kong, and undisclosed amounts via Switzerland through Shanghai; Builiding a naval base in Pakistan to gaurd a massive gas pipeline originating from Iran, into Pakistan, and on to China. This new announcement of the air defense zone, further stretches the US forces to both ends of the world. At the same time they stop buying US bonds, they have started a yuan exchange in London in order to prepare for the Yuan to float. There next announcement will be to back the yuan with gold, as the dollar was before August 17, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold standard. In this game of currency war chess, China, Russia, Brazil, and Iran are in the process of completing an alternative dollar trading platform. OPEC has run up against a Russian wall and is falling into the hands of the Chinese. ie Joint venture in the Red Sea between China and Saudi Arabia will bypass the dollar. With 2/3 of all dollars held outside this country, a flood will come back as the bond market collapses even though Yellen increases QE to $100 billion at the next FOMC meeting because the phony manipulated government numbers don't show high enough inflation through the CPI.
on November 30,2013 | 03:39PM
Nevadan wrote:
Mahalo for your comments. HD36 makes pcman and localguy look ignorant and uneducated. You are correct. Yellen will probably increase QE from $85 billions. To me QE is more Questionable Earnings than Quantitative Easing. She will print more money. QE will implode. It is a matter of time. She knows it. But Obama calls the shots. He is happy if it lasts another 3 years.
on November 30,2013 | 04:10PM
HD36 wrote:
Good obvervation Nevadan. My source believes the bond market already collapsed in late May, early June when Bernacke hinted of tapering. The big banks, JP Morgan, Golman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, who are the primary beneficiaries of QE, (emergency hyperinflationary monetary policy) are holding the bond market up through interest rate swaps at 100x leverage, algorythmic flash trading, and with help from the Treasury Exchange Fund. At the same time they are naked shorting the GLD and taking physical delivery. The COMEX is on the verge of default for failure to deliver the physical metal, which is heading East. I think we'll be lucky if it last another 6 months.
on November 30,2013 | 05:37PM
Nevadan wrote:
Aloha. Most Americans do not recognize the implications/severity of a $17 T debt. In a Ponzi scheme, someone will eventually pay. If not us, it will be our children and grandchildren. Yes, the big banks are the major beneficiaries of QE. What do they care? They will take good care of Obama when He retires, by giving him a board membership on Wall Street, with a fat salary and doing nothing. On the COMAX, gold mining companies have been going down with the price of gold. It should go in opposite directions, given that it has a limitless demand in India and China. We will pay for Nixon's sin.
on November 30,2013 | 06:30PM
HD36 wrote:
Spot on. If the Fed tapers, interest rates spike and the bond market collapses. The big banks are allowed now to value bonds as reserves on their balance sheets. The stock market would go down, the real estate market would go down, and the banks would become insolvent...again. The government payments on the national debt would soon exceed the military budget. Massive cuts and government job losses would occur and we'd soon be in the greatest depression in history. On the other hand, if they keep buying, or increase the $85 billion dollar a month QE, it will destroy the currency: China will, already has, stopped buying bonds, the rest of the world will cut back, the bilateral trade agreements will increase, and soon, but much worse than a great depression, we'll have a currency collapse.
on November 30,2013 | 08:19PM
Nevadan wrote:
Aloha HD. Agree with your insightful comments. My thoughts: militarily, China cannot compete with the U S...yet. Economically they know they have the ammunition to do severe damage to the U S, and themselves in the process. The differential: they can take the rubbles better than we can.
on December 1,2013 | 06:20AM
HD36 wrote:
Hopefully, we won't go the way of Rome. They were the world super power of their time. They stretched their military around the globe. Then to pay for it, they debased their currency by replacing the gold and silver with base metals. Soon, they had a very rich class and a very poor one as the middle class was taxed into oblivion. The couldn't afford to pay the military and soon their economy collapsed. When they were finally conquered, they found starving people inside the borders. It probably looked like Detroit.
on December 1,2013 | 08:00AM
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