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Delaying rail construction would cost more, city official says

By Kevin Dayton

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LAST UPDATED: 04:51 p.m. HST, Mar 15, 2012


The interim head of the Honolulu rail project said today it is cheaper to start construction now on support columns for the elevated rail system than it would be to delay construction. That would be true even if the city was forced later to rip the columns down, said Toru Hamayasu, interim executive director of the Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation.

Hamayasu told members of the City Council that each month of construction delays adds $10 million to the cost of the 20-mile rail project.

City Councilmember Ikaika Anderson repeatedly questioned Hamayasu on the timing of the project during a council Budget Committee hearing, asking why the city is starting construction before the federal government has committed to provide $1.55 billion to help fund the Honolulu rail system.

Hamayasu said an analysis by HART concluded it is cheaper to have contractor Kiewit Infrastructure West Co. build the columns now, even if they have to be torn down later.

The city signed a contract with Kiewit in 2009 to begin construction of the rail system, and has already agreed to pay a $15 million change order to the company because of project delays.

In Washington, D.C., today, U.S. Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said President Barack Obama's administration supports the Honolulu rail transit project, and "we will continue to work through whatever issues need to be worked through." 

U.S. Sen. Daniel K. Inouye questioned LaHood about the rail project during a hearing of the Senate Committee on Appropriations' Subcommittee on Transportation, Housing and Urban Development in Washington.

LaHood was testifying in support of the Department of Transportation's fiscal year 2013 budget request to Congress, which includes $250 million for the Honolulu rail project.

Inouye said the $250 million request is the largest single New Starts request being made by the department this year, and thanked LaHood for seeking funding for the $5.27 billion Honolulu project.

The city is counting on a total of $1.55 billion in New Starts funding to help pay for construction of the 20-mile rail project, which will extend from East Kapolei to Ala Moana Center.

Inouye asked LaHood to describe the transportation department's stance on the project, and LaHood replied that "We've talked about this project. You were kind enough to convene a meeting about this and other projects in Hawaii. I want you to know that we are committed to this project. This is an important project."

"This will deliver people all over the island. It's an important project and at this point, we will continue to work through whatever issues need to be worked through," LaHood testified. "We're committed to this. We're committed to the money; we're committed to the project. And, until we hear differently from others who are intimately involved in this, I see no reason why we won't go forward."

Former Gov. Ben Cayetano this week publicly released internal Federal Transit Administration emails raising concerns about some city actions in connection with the project, but LaHood said those emails were written before he became secretary.

Cayetano is running for Honolulu mayor, and has said he will stop the rail project if elected. Cayetano is also part of a group of rail opponents who are suing in federal court  to try to block the rail project.

Honolulu Authority for Rapid Transportation board Chairwoman Carrie Okinaga and Hamayasu issued a joint statement that Lahood's stance "reinforces the federal commitment to seeing the project through. This latest assurance shows that city and federal officials continue to work closely together in moving this project forward."







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1local wrote:
“We’re committed to this. We’re committed to the money; we’re committed to the project. And, until we hear differently from others who are intimately involved in this, I see no reason why we won’t go forward.” Sounds like political rhetoric and lack of commitment - Have never heard of a transportation project in Hawaii where the Federal Government provides less than 1/3 of the funding. The federal government should at least be providing matching / 50 % of the funding to build it and the same matching amount to Operate it - if it ever gets built...
on March 15,2012 | 10:52AM
what wrote:
Honolulu gonna get LaHoodwinked. Honolulu infrastructure continues to fall apart as generations of citizens of Oahu are shackled to paying taxes for a rail that even the government says only about 5% will use. Government will have to tax the people to pay $10-$20 per one way trip and thousands more per taxpayer to build.
on March 15,2012 | 12:57PM
NITRO08 wrote:
Stop guessing and making up stories!
on March 15,2012 | 01:31PM
what wrote:
When you're gonna make the people spend this much money, you better look forward and make reasonable projections about costs and how it will shape our future. You can't play dumb and just hope for the best, like most people do.
on March 15,2012 | 02:20PM
OldDiver wrote:
Nonsense, the project finances have been carefully scrutinized by the FTA.
on March 15,2012 | 07:35PM
what wrote:
The FTA does not judge how sensible a project is for a city. It a city makes a stupid decision to tax and spend its citizens to death, the FTA will go along.
on March 15,2012 | 09:11PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Really? Is that the reason the FTA washed its hands off from giving a commitment to provide funds when it gave the city a Letter of No Prejudice to start construction at the city's own expense?
on March 15,2012 | 09:12PM
rsgea wrote:
Yes, FTA must've scrutinized the City's NTPs (Notice To Proceed) and justifiably had their doubts. Look at this internal email between FTA officials date 10/07/2010 irt the City's decision to give Kiewit the go-ahead: "They have put themselves in a "pickle" with the WOFH DB Contract by identifying unrealistic dates for NTP 3 (FD) and NTP 4 (construction start). Currently they have told Kiewit to expect these NTPs in March 2011. We have warned them several times in the last couple of months that these dates are improbable, but they haven't listened. We strongly feel that giving the contratractor (sic) dates that are known to be impossible may magnify their delay claim."
on March 16,2012 | 03:32AM
news333 wrote:
Some say $40,000 per Hawaii Taxpayer over the next Ten Years.
on March 15,2012 | 06:16PM
OldDiver wrote:
Who is some?
on March 15,2012 | 07:38PM
meatgrinda wrote:
Did he say "deliver people ALL over the island."?
on March 15,2012 | 06:19PM
tiki886 wrote:
Yep, he was thinking he was building another post office. A rail to deliver the mail as well as people. He is trying to combine two platforms of efficiency.
on March 15,2012 | 10:27PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
What does he mean "We're" committed to this? The public is opposed to it and the City, Mayor, some Council members, a handful of appointed friends, and the guy who is being paid a million bucks to manage a railroad we don't have for three years are pushing it down our throats. Add LaHood to the list of "don't care about the public" guys who should be held personally and financiallly liable for this major screw up.
on March 15,2012 | 04:18PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
What does he mean "we're" committed to this. The public is not and guess whose money we're talking about. The corrupt officials who are pushing rail down our throats will not pay a penny to build, maintain,operate the proposed train. And they will never use it, if it is built.
on March 15,2012 | 04:22PM
pakeheat wrote:
He should have said "we the corrupted ( bleep) officials are committed to this project, LOL.
on March 15,2012 | 04:59PM
soshaljustic wrote:
:o) lol God love 'em all anyway! They really try so hard to sell a really bad idea in the face of the largest oxymoron! LaHood, ""This will deliver people all over the island. It's an important project and at this point, we will continue to work through whatever issues need to be worked through," So glad he said that! ;^) I thought Drs delivered people! And here we are with 2 Hospitals we lost, all ERs filled, and a Rail system we cannot afford! Perhaps the Feds will buy a couple Hospitals to deliver the people all over the island! Lord knows that 20 mile tube can't do it! chuckle chuckle
on March 15,2012 | 05:21PM
news333 wrote:
You are so right. It will cost something like $40,000 per taxpayer in Hawaii over the next ten years. You think the corporations and the uber rich wil pay their share? No Way. On any day if you reduce the amount of vehicular traffic by 10% (like State Holidays ), thne it moves well. Rail's optimistic figur4e of 6% does not give us much reduction in traffic. We have an old Railroad from Waianae to almost town. It has been built on raised earth and gravel. It just needs new wood and metal rails. All the concrete needed to build the raised rail would involve us tearing down mountains on the beautiful Windwartd coast. Have you seen the strip mined mountains by Kaneohe. Tourists don't like seeing strip mining in Tropicam Paradise. HAWAII, LETS FIGHT THE FEW MAINLAND BUSINESS'S THAT WILL BENEFIT FROM RAIL. LET'S REBUILD THE OLD RAILROAD THAT IS STILL THERE. WOULD COST MILLIONS AND NOT BILLIONS. STILL WOULD BENEFIT LOCAL CONSTRUCTION WORKERS. THE RAISED RAIL WOULD JUSTIFY THEM BRINGING IN CONSTRUCTION PERSONNEL FROM WHO KNOWS WHERE. I DON'T WANT TO PAY $40,000 IN STATE TAXES ADDED ON TO THE REGULAR TAXES. ONCE WE ARE POOR, BIG BUSINESS CAN DROP WAGES TO MAKE US INTO A SLAVE CLASS . THE END?
on March 15,2012 | 06:14PM
OldDiver wrote:
And where did you get that figure from?
on March 15,2012 | 07:39PM
postmanx wrote:
"Hamayasu said an analysis by HART concluded it is cheaper to have contractor Kiewit Infrastructure West Co. build the columns now, even if they have to be torn down later." OK now we know for sure that we have a dysfunctional government. Who makes a statement like that with a straight face? Must be fun to be in charge of tax payer money!
on March 15,2012 | 08:10PM
mcc wrote:
Stop this endless bleeding! Cayetano for Mayor! We cannot afford it. We will not ride it! We do not want it!
on March 15,2012 | 10:55AM
news333 wrote:
Vote for Cayetano. Save yourself $40,000 in taxes as some estimates say if we fight rail. What about ferrys that do it right and put in the time to get community support> last onhe failed due to strong community opposition. .
on March 15,2012 | 06:20PM
peaceonearth wrote:
I'd ride it and so it's best to just speak on behalf of yourself and not a collective "we." Don't assume that the majority is against rail when you can't prove it by any means.
on March 15,2012 | 08:11PM
Kuniarr wrote:
It is obvious that "peaceonearth" has not traveled the Zipper and HOV lane to downtown during the morning rush hour either riding the Bus or a car or van with 3 or more passengers. For otherwise he have experienced a traffic-free commute to downtown Honolulu. But the thing that stinks to high heavens with Rail which no amount of perfumed propaganda can erase is the never ending and huge cost yearly to fund HART, Rail Police, and Rail subsidy. Without Rail in 2010, the bus and van subsidy was $124. With Rail, the combined bus, van, and rail subsidy triples to $374 in 2030. Mind you the estimated cost to yearly fund Rail Police is not in the $374 estimate. Plus let us not forget that HART is a semi-autonomous bureaucracy that is immune to public opinion and can abuse its powers to provide scandalous salaries, wages, and perks to its executives, supervisors, and workers. The CEO has an annual salary of $245,000, a monthly housing allowance of $3,000, and a monthly transportation allowance of $500. This excludes other perks such as retirement, dental and health insurance.
on March 15,2012 | 09:26PM
Naloboy wrote:
LaHood should BE committed. So the rail will deliver people all over the island huh. Good job on the homework Ray. Yes, lets move ahead with this financial and environmental disaster so our kupuna can stand up for 45 minutes as the train slowly makes its way to town and back. What a joke.
on March 15,2012 | 10:59AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Considering that LaHood's entire budget is subject to Inouye's OK, of course the Hoodster will agree with Big Dan. Quelle surprise! The better question is exactly what were those issues that need to be worked through, Ray?
on March 15,2012 | 02:28PM
pakeheat wrote:
I think LaHood was talking about some other rail that is not here in Honolulu, someone gave him the wrong info, LOL.
on March 15,2012 | 11:31PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Lahood's idea of around the island is from Waikiki to Koolina.
on March 15,2012 | 11:40PM
kainalu wrote:
Go Rail, Go! Not for me, but for future generations. If you live out on the Westside, the Ewa Plain, or Central Oahu, then you know - you've lost hours of your quality of life sitting in traffic. Some 25-miles of back-up on a daily basis now. No rail? Then stop - dead stop all the development that's currently going on, and that's projected for those areas. Exponentially more development projected for those areas than any other part of the state.
on March 15,2012 | 11:06AM
mcc wrote:
Great idea! Stop development or better yet make devevolpers responsible for the infrastructure before giving permits and rezoning land.
on March 15,2012 | 12:14PM
Kuniarr wrote:
"Sitting in traffic", is how a typical rail propaganda begins. Of course all of us know of the horrible traffic congestion on the H1. But the question is "Will Rail eliminate the traffic congestion on the H1"? Correct. Of course not. Will Rail reduce traffic congestion on the H1? Correct but is a miniscule reduction that would not even make a dent in the volume of traffic on the H1 slowed down to a crawl by the bottlenecks on the H1. Then comes the rail propaganda - Rail provides an alternative to traffic congestion. The "Feel Good" of propaganda avoids the harsh realities such as (1) taxpayers would be responsible for all cost overruns. Which is standard in all projects (2) taxpayers would be responsible for the never ending yearly cost of paying of over $200 annually for HART, Rail Police and Rail subsidy (3) Most of all there already exists an "alternative to traffic congestion" today for all commuters taking the Zipper and HOV lane to downtown Honolulu which makes Rail financially impractical (4) For the afternoon commute during rush hour, the state has a proposed project that would enable HOV cars, vans and bus to bypass traffic congestion with the proposed PM Contraflow under the State's Congestion Programs (C1-112) in the Highway Modernization Plan: Oahu projects. In summary, existing and proposed projects that enable commuters to bypass traffic congestion makes it impractical to burden taxpayers with a never ending yearly funding of over $200 for rail.
on March 15,2012 | 12:26PM
aiea7 wrote:
waipahu, again and again you are making erroneous comments. the EIS states that rail will not eliminate traffic congestion, but its purpose is to provide an alternative to driving and sitting in traffic. your arguments are specious - creating your own issue and making crazy and illogical arguments. are you dense? you are making silly arguments when that is not the issue. if you are going to condemn the pro railers, stick to the issue, not to make false assumptions and false conclusions, it is really stupid.
on March 15,2012 | 01:38PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Why are some people so stupid as not to know that there is nobody in this forum with the username of "waipahu".
on March 15,2012 | 04:14PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Carlisle and the city have already started their propaganda on rail with the "positive" voices and soothing music. Sounds almost like Mufi. I live in Central Oahu and carpool just fine. Traffic in the morning is heavy but moves along. But I agree that we need to make developers responsible for infrastructure prior to building more homes. Better yet, we need to slow growth and grow ag lands as a means of self sustainability.
on March 15,2012 | 02:37PM
thatsashame_0723 wrote:
With you 100% Public Braddah!!!
on March 15,2012 | 05:25PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
And if you are in the 95 percent of the O`ahu population that will not be able to use the proposed rail road, you won't have to pay for it. Carlisle and his gang will pay to build, maintain, and operate it,
on March 15,2012 | 04:20PM
Hullstown wrote:
The Onion claims, "99% of Citizens Support Public Transportation for Other People". Rings quite true in your case, no?
on March 15,2012 | 06:11PM
news333 wrote:
After a few years, Leeward side will be bled dry of family money by taxes. Is that worth it to get into town faster? The old railroad that is still there could be rebuilt. It starts in Waianae and goes through Leeward.
on March 15,2012 | 06:23PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Hey, don't stop the growth of housing in the Ewa plains. How will the trade unionists feed their families? How can agriculture feed families in Hawaii? They need housing and shopping maills toe feed the peope.
on March 15,2012 | 11:44PM
kahaluu96744 wrote:
"This will deliver people all over the island. ...And, until we hear differently from others who are intimately involved in this, I see no reason why we won’t go forward." "All over the island?" Is he talking about the same rail project that is being planned? And, if he would just listened to "others who are intimately involved in this," like most of the residents on this island who do not want THIS rail system to be built, the Federal Government (us taxpayers) won't be on the hook for this boondoggle!
on March 15,2012 | 11:06AM
Kuniarr wrote:
LaHood may not have done his homework concerning the Honolulu rail project for why else did he say "all over the island"?
on March 15,2012 | 01:14PM
NITRO08 wrote:
Dummy it's a start! In the future rail transportation will BE a major type of transportation in the islands. As the population grows we will have less room on the roads. actually they should have built the rail when Frank Fasi wanted it and it was cheaper.
on March 15,2012 | 01:40PM
pakeheat wrote:
Of course they could have built in when Fasi was Mayor, it will be sitting in the rusting graveyard for scrap today, LOL.
on March 15,2012 | 02:25PM
aiea7 wrote:
guess this rebuts cayetano's emails that had some concerns early on. in reality, it was stupid to bring up such old and irrelevant items as apparently the potential problems have be overcome and the process is moving forward. it that were a big problem as cayetano seem think, the process would have been delayed until corrected, but it was not big deal. making a mountain out of a mole hill. further, cayetano questions why an enhanced bus system was not considered. it was because the funding law which increased the GET .5%, prohibited the funds to be used for existing transportation systems. was this too difficult to understand?
on March 15,2012 | 11:11AM
walaau808 wrote:
Typical Cayetano BS!
on March 15,2012 | 01:20PM
thatsashame_0723 wrote:
Yeah... b/c what Toru is shoveling must be the truth.....
on March 15,2012 | 05:27PM
Kuniarr wrote:
An internal communication represents the true nature of the stance of the FTA. LaHood was defending the FTA budget and it is most likely know little if nothing at all of the details concerning the project. This is evident when he said "deliver people all over the island" because not all the people in the island will be delivered by rail such as all those residing on the Windward side of the island.
on March 15,2012 | 01:22PM
rsgea wrote:
So, aiea7, "old and irrelevant items", huh? Well they've just found a more recent internal email between FTA officials dated 10/07/2010 which shows that Ben Cayetano's concerns are well founded: "They [Honolulu City officials] have put themselves in a "pickle" with the WOFH DB Contract by identifying unrealistic dates for NTP 3 (FD) and NTP 4 (construction start). Currently they have told Kiewit to expect these NTPs [Notices To Proceed] in March 2011. We have warned them several times in the last couple of months that these dates are improbable, but they haven't listened. We strongly feel that giving the contratractor (sic) dates that are known to be impossible may magnify their delay claim."
on March 16,2012 | 03:49AM
cojef wrote:
Foiled again for picking on Dan.
on March 15,2012 | 11:15AM
ponojr wrote:
How much to build a bridge from Ewa to Downtown?
on March 15,2012 | 11:16AM
MKN wrote:
@ponojr: That would be a great idea if the area between Ewa and Downtown didn't pass through Pearl Harbor and Hickam. There was a proposal to build a bridge from Iriquois Point to Hickam, but because of national security and the logistics of building a bridge that could be raised to allow ships into Pearl Harbor, they decided to scrap the project. This happened many years ago. The other proposal was to build a tunnel under the entrance, but that was cost prohibitive due to the distance that would have been required and the depth that the tunnel would have to be before they reached solid rock. This was over 10-20 years ago and at the time, it would have cost as much as the rail system is going to cost now if not more. LOL!
on March 15,2012 | 03:38PM
phoenixguyhere wrote:
People here in Phoenix bad mouthed the light rail here yet after completion the use rate is way over what was projected. We just got over a bus strike and the use rate was higher and the people appreciated it. I use it here to go to Tempe for social activities, downtown for things and to get to the airport. It costs me $1.75 to go to the airport to fly to Honolulu. When I get to Honolulu, it costs me $40 to get a cab to Waikiki. You will appreicate it when it is built. I will use it from HNL airport to Ala Moana
on March 15,2012 | 11:33AM
honopic wrote:
This is not Phoenix, and this is not light rail. Since you don't live here, you can't understand how few people will actually benefit from the 20-mile Fantasyland ride. We who do live here will bear the expense of this monstrosity for generations to come. If you're planning to ride the train from the airport to Ala Moana, I guess you're not taking a trip to Honolulu again for another 10 years or more. That's how long it will take to build this disaster on steel wheels. When you do come, travel light, because you won't be allowed to take baggage on the train, either. Just make sure you bring enough cash to cover the $40 round-trip to the shopping center, and cab fare from there to your Waikiki hotel.
on March 15,2012 | 12:58PM
walaau808 wrote:
wow easy tiger...so much for the aloha spirit. dude is sharing his thoughts, no need to bite his head off.
on March 15,2012 | 01:24PM
phoenixguyhere wrote:
I agree. I travel all over the world and have seen "rail" work well.
on March 15,2012 | 05:24PM
peaceonearth wrote:
Appreciate your comments, Phoenix. Seems no one wants to listen (or accept) the fact that you speak from experience. Change is difficult for many because most humans cannot see beyond their own selflish desires. Heck, it could very well be that the grandchildren of the opponents on rail will be riding it and loving it. No one really can predict the future but people think they really can.
on March 15,2012 | 08:19PM
Changalang wrote:
In ten years where will you be; because that is how long before the first train ride?
on March 15,2012 | 10:14PM
honopic wrote:
I wa not "biting his head off" but just sharing my thoughts, too. As a taxpayer in this city, do I not have that right? I made no personal attack on the visitor from Phoenix, but merely expressed my opinion of what he could expect if he plans to ride the train. He may have travelled all over the world and seen rail work well, but not on an island with such a small population base, most of whom will not benefit from this 20-mile mistake. But we'll all be paying for it and so will future generations, whether they ever ride it or not.
on March 16,2012 | 05:32PM
pakeheat wrote:
Oh! Phoenix is light rail, good job phoenixguyhere, Honolulu will build "heavy-rail". Apples and Oranges
on March 15,2012 | 01:16PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Phoenix rail doesn't fly through the sky. Our Mall Transport will be in the clouds.
on March 15,2012 | 02:31PM
phoenixguyhere wrote:
RAIL is RAIL. Getting people from point A to point B.
on March 15,2012 | 05:25PM
peaceonearth wrote:
Exactly.
on March 15,2012 | 08:20PM
pakeheat wrote:
You must be his twin brother, go back where you came from
on March 15,2012 | 11:40PM
Changalang wrote:
At a cost of $40000 per person that will only service much less than 50% of the population, of which many of the West will keep their car and leave Rail to the homeless nomads to make their mobile home. You may know Phoenix, but you don't know Hawaii. People who do know that the greatest single thing that hurts our people is when transplants come in with their great ideas, raise the cost of living, and leave us with bill and the unforeseen circumstances.
on March 15,2012 | 10:13PM
pakeheat wrote:
Yep, phoenixguyhere and peaceonearth, are outsiders, they don't plan to live here permanently, when they see the cost of living here is so high, like cowards, swimming back to the mainland where they came.
on March 15,2012 | 11:38PM
ejkorvette wrote:
Whoa my Friend. Why so much Hate and Anger. You should save all of that Energy for talking to your Hawaii Politicians. The State of Hawaii has less than 2 million residents, and yet the budget is projected at 11Billion dollars!! What person in their right coherent Mind would want to live in a backwards State like Hawaii where a 2 bedroom condo costs $500K? Your Politicians and leaders allowed the Japanese come to your Pretty little island and raise Real Estate prices through the Solar System. Then they left Hawaii with the "Dirty Diaper" when their Yen Crashed. Whose fault is it that you're stuck with Unaffordable Housing, No technology besides Oceanic? You choose to keep your Senators in office for 50yrs, without improving your Quality of life. Shame of all that allow that to happen, without protesting and voting your so-called leaders out of office.
on March 16,2012 | 03:12AM
pakeheat wrote:
I do vote, and I don't vote the same person if they aren't doing a good job
on March 16,2012 | 08:12AM
honopic wrote:
Do you get paid extra for every capital letter you use? Must be, cuz, brah, u use kinda plenny. Since we are such a "backwards State" (sic) and "Pretty little island" (more sic) why are u wasting your time here? Mo bettah u go where your "right coherent MInd" (yeah, more sic) gives u peace and leave us folks alone. Or, at least, STFU.
on March 16,2012 | 05:38PM
ejkorvette wrote:
Don't you think it's time that the people of Hawaii start getting involved with the Political process and stop Voting for Complete Idiots, Theives, Liars? The only reason Hawaii gets stuck with the Bill you're talking about, is because your Poliiticians buy anything and everything that someone sells them. Then they sell it to the Hawaii residents at a higher price and Tax it.
on March 16,2012 | 03:05AM
pakeheat wrote:
wrong, you need to take some lessons on the difference between light and heavy rail, go back where you came from
on March 15,2012 | 11:40PM
rsgea wrote:
phoenixguyhere, did you do your homework on this one? AZ spent $150/person to build out their rail system. Honolulu Rail will cost $5,700/person to build (that's 38x the cost per man, woman & child that it cost the people of AZ). If you're on the City payroll for your postings, you have no conscience; if you're not and still insists that it doesn't matter.... you have no brain.
on March 16,2012 | 03:43AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Why wait several years from now to take the train to Alamoana from the Airport when today the Bus can bring you from the Airport to Waikiki? If you take a taxi instead of the bus to go to Alamoana today what would make us believe you'd take the train?
on March 15,2012 | 01:40PM
Bean808 wrote:
Yo! since you like Phoenix stay there. Let us put an end to this madness!
on March 15,2012 | 04:25PM
phoenixguyhere wrote:
I travel to Honolulu at least 4 times a year. I have seen success here with our "rail" and in Chicago where heavy rail runs to both airports......and they allow luggage on....not like THE BUS. I HAVE taken THE BUS from the airport to Ala Moana and was treated like someone in a 3rd world country. Hawaii thrives on tourism. It is out travel there that helps employ Hawaiians.
on March 15,2012 | 05:21PM
polekasta wrote:
1) Rail doesn't go to Waikiki. The city says rail "might" be built to Waikiki and UH Manoa IF there are funds in the future. Notice the "IF" in there. The way the city is going, that "if" might be never. 2) Since the rail line will not go into the airport, you would have to walk out to a station. Can you just see it now, a family walking out to a rail station dragging their luggage behind them. 3) Will Honolulu's rail allow luggage? The rail cars aren't much wider then the city buses. where will luggage be stored since most will be standing anyway. Shall I go on?
on March 15,2012 | 08:29PM
pakeheat wrote:
I have a good idea polekasta, will ask phoenixguyhere and peaceonearth contribute $10,000.00 to help pay for rail, since they support it but don't live here, what you think?
on March 15,2012 | 11:44PM
honopic wrote:
Bruddah, that is the most logical post of all. Geev 'um! How about if everyone who makes money off this kick in, too? Politicians, backroom dealers, palm-greasers -- the whole bunch. And, if it ever gets built, they should sign a pledge to ride the train at least twice a week or face heavy fines. Wachoo think?
on March 16,2012 | 05:53PM
pakeheat wrote:
You must think a apple is an orange, keep drinking that kool-aid brother, LOL
on March 15,2012 | 11:41PM
honopic wrote:
Population of Chicago: 2.8 million people. Poplulation of Phoenix: 1.6 million. Population of Oahu: 876 thousand. Do the math. Apples and oranges? More like grapefruits and strawberry guavas. And how does "out travel" help employ Hawaiians? If you don't even bother to proof-read your own posts, why should any of us care what you say?
on March 16,2012 | 05:47PM
OldDiver wrote:
Thanks for the input Phoenix, execuse the anti-rail nonsense.
on March 15,2012 | 07:43PM
pakeheat wrote:
Thanks Phoenix, your expertise stinks, like the proponents
on March 15,2012 | 11:44PM
honopic wrote:
Please don't ask Phoenix to "execuse" (wot -- u went same school wid him) those of us who are trying to stop the madness. U don't speak for us.
on March 16,2012 | 05:55PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Ha, ha, no luggage allowed. Catch a cab and pay the higher rate tourist have to pay.
on March 15,2012 | 11:48PM
loquaciousone wrote:
The problem I have with THIS rail project is that NEW ISSUES keep popping up. There is only so much gum in the candy machine and soon you will run out of solutions.
on March 15,2012 | 11:37AM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
No new issues Ben is just digging up dead horse to kick to try and make mess. He is out of touch more now than ever.
on March 15,2012 | 03:03PM
thatsashame_0723 wrote:
Which would explan why, after immediately announcing his candidacy, he is ahead by double digits in the polls.
on March 15,2012 | 05:37PM
lopelani wrote:
In all of his elections CayetaNO has always said that he does not believe in polls. Why start now. He should stay retired and enjoy being a faux republican. Go Rail Go and NO CayetaNO......
on March 15,2012 | 10:36PM
Pukele wrote:
In order for rail to be built, Cayetano must lose his race for mayor and the lawsuit in Federal Court against the project must fail. It looks like rail is dead.
on March 15,2012 | 12:06PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
Ben is not going to win - because there are enough of us that remember what a HORRIBLE governor he was! He was out of touch then and he is completely out of touch NOW!
on March 15,2012 | 03:03PM
Bean808 wrote:
Ben will win and win big time. When he was gov. he was facing the beginning of hard economic times to come. Go ahead and vote for your Carl-lier and what's his name. All show but no go! LOL
on March 15,2012 | 04:29PM
mcc wrote:
Ben will win with more than 50% in August.
on March 15,2012 | 04:40PM
thatsashame_0723 wrote:
LOL...."There are enough of us...." You and what army?
on March 15,2012 | 05:31PM
OldDiver wrote:
Yup, once the campaign starts Ben is going to be questioned about the nonsense he is spewing.
on March 15,2012 | 07:46PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Of course Ben is going to be questioned about his platform. Ben's common sense may be "nonsense" to you, OD.
on March 15,2012 | 09:29PM
hon2255 wrote:
"this will deliver people all over the island" What is that guy thinking, this proposed heavy rail will not help our transportation needs, other viables need to be considered over this ugly, poorly laid out project, you got to drive a car , or catch a bus to get to it! Boooo, No rail . The more you read and research this project and costs ,the more you will realize our population cannot support the continual cost to build, maintain ,this monster.
on March 15,2012 | 12:18PM
Hullstown wrote:
[“This will deliver people all over the island." LaHood testified.] This is how they spend taxpayer money in Washington D.C. It's quite apparent that Ray LaHood knows nothing about the rail, as it will serve a very small population of Oahu while others pay BILLIONS for it....FOR LIFE.
on March 15,2012 | 12:24PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
"all over the island" refers to the 5-6 percent of O`ahu folks who live close to the proposed train tracks. Most people will never be close enough to even hear the clickety-clack of the old steel wheels. Nor will they walk miles to a railhead, or drive to a parking lot only to be shuttled in a bus to a station, etc.
on March 15,2012 | 04:26PM
linedancer wrote:
STOP THE RAIL!!!!! WE CANNOT AFFORD IT.......PERIOD. CASE CLOSED
on March 15,2012 | 12:31PM
NITRO08 wrote:
We can not afford not to bulid it! It's the future. The same thinking built the roads we got today. Thinking of only today will hurt future generations!!!!!!!!!!
on March 15,2012 | 01:46PM
pakeheat wrote:
Yes you will hurt furture generations with more debt, remember, we are the 4th in the nation for per capital debt?
on March 15,2012 | 02:27PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
YES thanks to the failures of Lingle and Cayetano! We on the westside NEED rail not just for those of us living out there now but for future generations so we do not have to spend 15 hours a week in TRAFFIC!
on March 15,2012 | 03:05PM
ammb3 wrote:
Kapoleitalkstory sounds like a new Carlisle mouthpiece...
on March 15,2012 | 03:31PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Why do you yourself kapoleitalkstory need rail? Don't those who take the bus during morning rush hour reach downtown Honolulu traffic-free?
on March 15,2012 | 06:28PM
pakeheat wrote:
No Kuniarr, he will drive hoping many others will take the train so they can have the H1 all for themselves, like the rest of the proponents, there is a hidden agenda behind their support
on March 15,2012 | 11:48PM
honopic wrote:
OK, fair enough. If you don't want to spend "15 hours a week in traffic", how about signing a pledge to ride the train 5 days a week, every week you work for the rest of your life? $40 round-trip, $200 a week? What about those days when you have other places in town to go after work (other than the shopping center) or on weekends? The basic flaw here is that those who are rail proponents are thinking this will get other people out of their cars, so the roads will be less congested for them.
on March 16,2012 | 06:10PM
lopelani wrote:
And 2nd in the nation in traffic congestion... NO CayetaNO.....
on March 15,2012 | 10:38PM
pakeheat wrote:
Blame all the democrats for that, lopelani. Take a history lesson
on March 15,2012 | 11:49PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Building the Mayor's Kapolei-Ala Moana train will hurt future generations more than anything I can think of.
on March 15,2012 | 04:27PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Who said "do we need it? can we afford it? can we maintain it?" Time to kill the rail, for obvious reasons.
on March 15,2012 | 04:26PM
bigwest wrote:
Senator Inouye-- I am very disappointed with your unwillingness to listen and understand the issue that a growing number of our community members are concerned about: 1) The rail technology selected requires an elevated track for the entire length of the system. 2) A DEDICATED elevated rail system will not give our City options for addressing future escalating contruction costs-- especially if the system is ever to be extended to the University and Waikiki. 3) The last US city to implement a DEDICATED elevated rail system was Miami in the mid 70's-- the impact has been horrible. Every other US municipality that has implemented rail since has used a technology that permits the system to be elevated outside the urban core and at grade or underground inside the city core. Please act in the interest of the broad community. Rail has become such a devisive issue.
on March 15,2012 | 01:22PM
NITRO08 wrote:
Maybe you are wrong Senator Inouye so far only helped Hawaii. I don't think he wrong on this one either. In the past I witness Alot of big projects that people didn't want but today they enjoy all of it. Stop looking only at today look into the future!
on March 15,2012 | 01:50PM
pakeheat wrote:
Wow! Rail is the savior for all of Honolulu's infrastructure problems, everything will be okay, NOT!
on March 15,2012 | 02:28PM
Changalang wrote:
Maybe it is time he gives back from Hawaii as he enters the winter of his tenure? Word is that he is taking the Rail FFA approval "personally" and the timeline is against bend over Boehner in the House in an election year with transportation budget time line pressures that will stop projects without passage. It is a $109 billion transportation infrastructure de facto omnibus, but it would not hurt for interested parties to dig into the fine print.
on March 15,2012 | 04:11PM
bigwest wrote:
Yes the Senator has done many good things for our community though his ability to secure Federal funding. But Rail is huge and will have a far reaching impact on Honolulu's quality of place and the cost of living for future generations. His leadership is needed to influence our City governemnt to implement a system that is flexible and can economically meet our future needs.
on March 15,2012 | 04:12PM
Kuniarr wrote:
NITRO08, rail is not a State project. It is a City project. Your "today they enjoy all of it" on a State project is entirely different than Rail which is a city project because after it is built "hundreds and hundreds of taxpayers will not enjoy all of it because this thing would require a never ending yearly tax burden of over $200 a year. The thing that makes Rail stink to high heavens which no propaganda perfume can erase is the never ending yearly cost fo fund HART, Rail Police and Rail subsidy. Mind you, the cost of funding Rail Police is not even included in the $200 a year cost estimate.
on March 15,2012 | 06:35PM
peaceonearth wrote:
And what about all the jobs that it may create for your sons and daughters, your neighbor, and even you? The ripple effect is huge for the economy.
on March 15,2012 | 08:25PM
Changalang wrote:
What about all the jobs lost as the City neglected our existing infrastructure for years to funnel fiscal support to this Rail money laundering project under Mayor Caldwell and then Mayor Carlisle? Those are jobs local people have needed since 2008 and that they have the expertise to run the project, not just be gophers doing the grunt work for Mainland experts taking all the cherry jobs to boss the plantation locals around.
on March 15,2012 | 10:20PM
pakeheat wrote:
Oh they promised 10.000 jobs, if you believe that, the earth is flat to you, LOL.
on March 15,2012 | 11:51PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
Senator Dan is not unwilling to listen, it maybe that his hearing is going with age. Time to retire.
on March 15,2012 | 11:53PM
walaau808 wrote:
One way or another, rail is not my biggest concern for the city. It's electing Cayetano. And if you're voting for him strictly on his stance against rail, be prepared to bitch and moan about all the other things that will surely happen if he is the mayor. Memories of him as governor are still very fresh in my mind...too bad the majority have already forgotten.
on March 15,2012 | 01:28PM
Changalang wrote:
Rail is a symptom of the lack of priorities that we have had to suffer under whether it be Caldwell or Carlisle. Ben is the cure. Rail is fiscal cancer. Once the cancer gets put into remission, Honolulu Hale can get its whole body healthy, but not until then. Caldwell and Carlisle are the single issue candidates in the Mayor's race. They each have only cared about one thing without regard for the fiscal health of the people. Ben's platform is about hope and change. He will stop the madness, change course, and give hope to the people of Oahu to have a higher standard of living and by employing Carpenters to restore Honolulu.
on March 15,2012 | 10:24PM
soshaljustic wrote:
FACTS=NOT a means to deliver people all over the island...NOT a means of adequate elderly transportation when making people stand to get to the doctor or hospital without adequate para transit in place!...NOT adequately Federally funded!...A Visual Blight!!...Worsens Traffic Woes...Worsens Infrastructure Backlog Needs We currently Have!...Worsens Local Employment Opportunities in Lieu of Mainland Hirings as we currently have witness and Proof available....Loss of Para Transit services for Elderly and Disabled as we see currently in lieu of private partnership structures that do not fully accommodate all citizens resulting in shut-ins and neglected citizenry and an increase in social service needs being unmet in a poor economy!
on March 15,2012 | 01:37PM
aiea7 wrote:
bigwest - in honolulu, we cannot have an at-grades system because there are too many surface roads criss-crossing, impeding the route of the train (to slow it down), it will be functioning like a bus and that is not what we want. further, we cannot build an underground system in the city because of the tremendous cost involve, much more so than an elevated system. the current proposed system is the most efficient and economical system given the facts and restrictions.
on March 15,2012 | 01:44PM
soshaljustic wrote:
Not true-Given the current facts 1. a rapidly aging baby-boomer population will need paratransit---- 2. a younger driving population that does not now use mass transportation to lessen the burden of the roadways, therefore proof positive they will not use a shiny new tube on a track either----3. verified information the rail will NOT lessen the traffic woes!----It would seem any new dollars the FED TRANS ADMIN want to donate to Hawaii should be spent on what works and where we excel with a PROVEN RECORD(RUBBER AND ROAD!! IF IT AIN'T BROKE do not fix it folks!!
on March 15,2012 | 02:33PM
bigwest wrote:
Portland is one of several models where an at grade rail system has been working successfully for decades-- and with as many road crossings. As for slowing down the train for portions of the route-- I would choose that alternative if it means avoiding a huge elevated concrete structure running along our waterfront and through parts of our city.
on March 15,2012 | 03:59PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The thing that stinks with Rail which no amount of perfumed propaganda can erase is the yearly cost of $372 million - which does not even include Rail Police. In 10 years that is $3.72 billio without considering union demands for health and dental insurance and retirement. The salary, housing and transportation benefit alone of the HART CEO is scandalously and extravagantly huge. And HART being a semi-autonomous bureaucracy most likely will expand that $372 million yearly to heaven forbid double the amount.
on March 15,2012 | 04:24PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
You need to stop drinking Cayetano's kool-aide! He is out of touch and so are you!
on March 15,2012 | 03:06PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
It's the poor,misled folks who are drinking the Carlisle Cool-Aid who are hurting us most.
on March 15,2012 | 04:28PM
thatsashame_0723 wrote:
Brillant response!
on March 15,2012 | 05:32PM
Kuniarr wrote:
So you like Carlisle's kool-aide better as he is out of touch with the reality of the problems facing Oahu? He brags about repaving several hundred miles of streets only to be upstaged by the SA with today's article "Potholes plague isle roads".
on March 15,2012 | 09:33PM
pakeheat wrote:
Ooops Mayor Carlisle, is that tar on your face?
on March 15,2012 | 11:53PM
jusjoking wrote:
So what's just reported here? La Hood is talking next years budget not 2012's budget. How much federal funding can honolulu expect this year as construction is starting. More borrowing by the city? I'd print the money flow charts Hart must have created by now showing income and expenses for the duration of the project, so I don't ask more stupid questions, but everything in the EIS and statements from the city are as outdated as the emails cited by Cayetano. Show us the money Hart. Todays expenditures and assets collected, not projected (hoped for) funds or expected (hoped for) future revenue from local taxes. Do that transparent thing Carlisle lies about.
on March 15,2012 | 01:46PM
squidman22 wrote:
“This will deliver people all over the island." Sounds like a prepared blanket statement that didn't really involve a lot of forethought as the rail isn't going to deliver people, "...all over the island...". Just one corridor of the island from central Honolulu to leeward Oahu. That in of itself isn't bad. It's just that LaHood seems to speak with very little knowledge of the project area and exactly how the people of Oahu will truly interact with the rail. Very detached. i'm not surprised.
on March 15,2012 | 01:53PM
MANDA wrote:
So La Hood will ignore internal warnings because they were given before he came on board. Another male ego driving us to more losses.
on March 15,2012 | 01:55PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Be realistic. The guy's budget depends on the Appropriations Committee of which Dan is the head cheese, uh, boss. Nobody gonna tell the guy with the purse strings that he can't have a little $$$ for the home state. Don't mean nothing but it makes nice press.
on March 15,2012 | 02:33PM
pookiebear wrote:
Cayetano for Mayor. Nuff said :)
on March 15,2012 | 02:04PM
pookiebear wrote:
Costs of building, running, and maintaining it. Can anyone say 'extra large overrun costs and time'? Remember the H3? Steel on steel rail? Imagine the sound it makes if you're living nearby. Owwweeee! Guarantee tax increase, on top of higher electricity, sewer, and water costs. And what about the 8 billion dollar pension deficit? Mo taxes, mo taxes, and mo taxes. The hits keep coming! Cayetano for Mayor :)
on March 15,2012 | 02:13PM
pookiebear wrote:
Wow, what happened to my comment. Tell the truth and it's not printed :(
on March 15,2012 | 02:20PM
pookiebear wrote:
Steel on steel construction? Anyone living nearby will be crying 'Ooowwweeee!!! when they hear the 'SCREECH!' Costs overruns and time will definitely be an issue. Anyone remember H3? And what about the 8 billion dollar pension deficit. Higher electricity, sewer, and water costs. Mo taxes, mo taxes, and mo taxes. Cayetano for Mayor :)
on March 15,2012 | 02:26PM
pookiebear wrote:
'Comment submitted for Approval' Wow, no swear words, no crude language, and all truth. And I don't get a say here? A Comment page for Communists :)
on March 15,2012 | 02:28PM
islandsun wrote:
More PR by the rail criminals to counter the email damage.
on March 15,2012 | 02:29PM
pookiebear wrote:
I wonder if I sent my comments to the news stations. Will I get air time? Hee, hee :)
on March 15,2012 | 02:30PM
Leeward wrote:
The fundamental purpose of rail is to help manage growth that is directed to the Ewa plains by the General Plan for Oahu. Please read Oahu's General Plan (http://honoluludpp.org/Planning/GeneralPlan/GPReport.pdf), which has directed Oahu's population growth to the Ewa plains for over 30 years. In particular, look at the General Plan Development Pattern map on page 13. If infrastructure meant to help accommodate population growth west of Red Hill (such as rail) is rejected, Oahu's General Plan should immediately be amended to direct substantially more growth to Windward Oahu and East Honolulu. The threshold question is whether there is a constitutionally valid way to prevent people from having babies or moving to Hawaii. As far as I know, there isn't. Therefore, we know that Oahu's population will continue to grow, since our residents will continue to have babies and Oahu is an attractive place for people to move to (from other states and other countries). (And considering where people are moving from, Oahu will continue to be an attractive place to move to for the foreseeable future.) Oahu's population growth will have to go somewhere. If not the secondary urban center and its adjacent urban fringe areas (such as Ho'opili), by definition, Oahu's population growth will have to go "somewhere else". That's why, if Ho'opili and infrastructure meant to help accommodate population growth west of Red Hill (such as rail) are rejected, Oahu's General Plan should immediately be amended to direct substantially more growth to Windward Oahu and East Honolulu. Remember, at the time Oahu's General Plan seeking to direct growth to the Ewa plains was adopted in 1977, a deep draft harbor was planned for Kaneohe Bay and massive commercial and residential development was planned for the Windward side of Oahu, including an oil refinery in Temple Valley and dense residential development of the Waiahole and Waikane Valleys. In addition, resorts were planned for the Queen’s Beach area – just east of Hawaii Kai. The purpose of directing growth to Ewa was, in large part, to lessen development pressures elsewhere (e.g., the Windward side, East Honolulu, and Central Oahu). In other words, Oahu’s people as a whole (those who participated in the General Plan process as well as Oahu’s elected officials) chose to have the Leeward side bear the bulk of the burden of population growth for the benefit of the rest of the island. You don’t help direct growth, however, by simply putting a mark on a map. You help direct growth by supporting projects (such as Ho'opili) and public infrastructure (such as rail) for the area towards which growth is directed.
on March 15,2012 | 02:37PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The thing that stinks with Rail which no amount of perfumed propaganda can erase is the yearly cost of $372 million - which does not even include Rail Police. In 10 years that is $3.72 billio without considering union demands for health and dental insurance and retirement. The salary, housing and transportation benefit alone of the HART CEO is scandalously and extravagantly huge. And HART being a semi-autonomous bureaucracy most likely will expand that $372 million yearly to heaven forbid double the amount.
on March 15,2012 | 04:25PM
Bean808 wrote:
The general plan for the ewa plain was to make a second city. Short answer. Go back to work. You're on City time.
on March 15,2012 | 04:30PM
Leeward wrote:
I work in the private sector.
on March 15,2012 | 05:46PM
Leeward wrote:
By the way, Bean808, your comment about the General Plan for the Ewa Plain is incorrect. If you actually read the General Plan, perhaps you'll figure it out.
on March 15,2012 | 05:56PM
Changalang wrote:
Hoopili and Rail are in serious jeopardy. Maybe if the General Plan was wrought by the people instead of flunky consultants here to line their pockets; Honolulu would not have to go back to the drawing board. What we have now is unsustainable. A growth strategy without maintenance and a plan of self sustaining existing variables is the worse kind of BS. Back to the drawing Board. The real plan is high density dwellings in Kakaako that is truly affordable housing and within walking distance or bus catching distance of everything. Watch it happen. :)
on March 15,2012 | 10:29PM
Leeward wrote:
The worst kind of BS is pretending that "high density dwellings in Kakaako" can somehow absorb all of the growth that is directed to Ewa. Under the General Plan and Development Plans for Ewa and the Primary Urban Center (which includes Kakaako), both areas are targeted for growth. In other words, the General Plan and Development Plans already call for high density dwellings in Kakaako.
on March 16,2012 | 12:50PM
keawe wrote:
what if the Rail is for da tourtists dat stay at Ko Olina and Aulani and all da resort hotels that will be built out dea? forget da locals it going be one perfect project for visitors dat visit our friendly shores.
on March 15,2012 | 04:42PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Sorry, but tourists go on vacation to Oahu seeking an island paradise - not another concrete jungle with Rail. Rail will cause the map of Oahu to vanish completely from the offices of travel agencies all over the world. With Rail, Oahu will lose its reputation and vision as an island paradise.
on March 15,2012 | 06:40PM
CouchPotato wrote:
Watch this youtube of Randall Roth ... explains a lot about Rail. Linked and divided into 3 short parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIPVivM5sk
on March 15,2012 | 04:57PM
localguy wrote:
Talk about shibai, nothing in the report talks about a refinery in Temple Valley, the worst place to build as no easy harbor access, same for the rest of this post above. Reading the report it is clear those who wrote it were clueless bureaucrats with no real experience in planning. No wonder the Nei is so backwards in planning. Master planned, right. Just like the Waikele off ramp fiasco. You take the ramp and you have to stop for oncoming traffic. Look to your right and you see a prime failure of "Master Planning" twin sidewalks wasting space where only one was needed. The off ramp should gone as a road straight to the Waikele parking lot entrance. Talk about babooze designed, just like so many of our housing areas. As news reports have shown, our housing areas have no room for shade giving trees or parking. The main reason those in Ewa pay such a high electric bill, no sun blocking there. Give us a break.
on March 15,2012 | 06:57PM
kapoleitalkstory wrote:
Fine if you dont want rail then lets build on the Windward side! Lets build on the North Shore! Lets build up east Honolulu! We need rail not just for those of us living out there NOW but for the future generations to come. Don' tjust think of yourself!
on March 15,2012 | 03:07PM
MKN wrote:
@kapoleitalkstory: Actually developers have been wanting to do that for years, but the constituents in those districts made sure that there would very little if any additional growth in the number of homes there. The windward side has too many people living there anyway as they have their own traffic problems within those areas and no available real estate to expand any of the roads any further than they already are. Ultimately, development will need to completely stop on Oahu someday. We are already running out of fresh water and undeveloped land to grow our own produce and raise cattle for self sustainability. Its kind of scary to think that if something happened that halted all shipping and flights to Hawaii indefinitely (e.g. California falling into the ocean due to an earthquake or something along those lines), we would basically run out of necessities in less than a month.
on March 15,2012 | 04:05PM
Leeward wrote:
It is the General Plan and Development Plans/Public Facilities Maps adopted pursuant to the General Plan that has slowed growth in Windward Oahu, East Honolulu, and the North Shore.
on March 16,2012 | 04:22PM
Kuniarr wrote:
We need rail like a nail on the head. The thing that makes rail stink to high heavens which no amount of rail propaganda perfume can erase is the never ending yearly cost of over $200 millon to fund HART, Rail Police and Rail subsidy. That $200 million estimate does not even include Rail Police. In 2010, bus and van subsidy was $124 million. With rail, the bus, van and rail subsidy is projected at $372 million in 2030. That's three (3) times the subsidy taxpayers are already paying for the bus and van subsidy. THREE TIMES!! What is scandalous is the salary and perks for the CEO of HART. And remember. HART is does not answer to us - the public. That means that their scandalous salaries, wages, and perks can go sky high while we poor saps pay for their extravagance.
on March 15,2012 | 06:47PM
aiea7 wrote:
waipahu - agree you won't need rail because you already have at least a couple on nails in your head.
on March 15,2012 | 07:43PM
lopelani wrote:
you are sounding redundant....
on March 15,2012 | 10:44PM
pakeheat wrote:
you sound like a broken record.......
on March 15,2012 | 11:57PM
lopelani wrote:
Put the landfill there too.....
on March 15,2012 | 10:44PM
pakeheat wrote:
Why you tired of smelling that c$$$p?
on March 15,2012 | 11:58PM
MKN wrote:
Even if they can get the $250M passed through congress (that's a big if because of the party in control of the House), there's no guarantee they will get any additional money in the subsequent years as the congress and/or administration could change it so that there is no additional funding. If that happens, Hawaii is left holding the bag and everyone will be paying even more in taxes for rail. If you want to really slow down or halt the increase in the projected number of cars that will be on the road, we will have to stop building new homes altogether and pass a law to limit households to no more than 2-3 cars. Good luck getting such a law passed in the legislature. LOL!
on March 15,2012 | 03:15PM
enoughisenough wrote:
Saying the emails predated his arrival would be relevant if he were king. He's not. History cannot be changed by decree. Why do you suppose he declined to explain the emails?
on March 15,2012 | 03:33PM
FACE wrote:
Look at all the haters hatin
on March 15,2012 | 03:43PM
pakeheat wrote:
thanks you meant the proponents, wow you got good insights
on March 15,2012 | 11:58PM
Bumby wrote:
Rail Rail Rail those who want it and voted for it must buy a pass every year until their death. Funding the yearly cost of running such a system will be astronomical. Put your dollars where your mouth speak it. Also you must ride it if you live west of Honolulu. Those who talk about wanting it and will not pay to ride it and use it is a propaganda voice. There are other alternatives but because of the money and power behind this, alternatives are not being considered.
on March 15,2012 | 03:45PM
Changalang wrote:
LaHood is lucky Dan didn't make him rollover, sit, and beg for the cameras. He got off lucky. The fix is in.
on March 15,2012 | 03:46PM
mcc wrote:
La Hood is blowing smoke up Inouye's you know what. Congress has to approve the funds and the Republicans are in control and want to cut funds, not have new starts.
on March 15,2012 | 03:54PM
mcc wrote:
La Hood is blowing smoke up Inouye's you know what. Congress needs to approve the funds and the Republicans in control want cuts, not new starts.
on March 15,2012 | 03:55PM
Changalang wrote:
What's in the new transportation budget bill that left the U.S. Senate this week to cross over to Boehner's House?
on March 15,2012 | 04:04PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The republicans in congress don't want cuts, they want to say NO. NO,No,no.. They want pipelines, more gas, more profits for their backers. For pipeline,Yes, for alternative choices, No.
on March 15,2012 | 04:11PM
Kuniarr wrote:
With a new source of oil, the US do not have anymore to kneel before those arab countries with oil. Price of gasoline would not rise with OPEC oil prices.
on March 15,2012 | 06:50PM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
La Hood Winked...thats funny. Support for rail is crumbling faster than our infrastructure....thats true.
on March 15,2012 | 04:11PM
bobjones wrote:
i'm very disappointed in ben cayetano and walter heen. they released critical FTA employee e-mails that they knew were old (before this FTA secretary's time) and passed them off as the thinking on the currently-approved project.
on March 15,2012 | 04:15PM
Changalang wrote:
Wow, all hands on deck. Rail Mafia calling out the O.G.
on March 15,2012 | 06:08PM
aiea7 wrote:
jones is correct - ben and heen are trying to use deception in creating an issue, when there is none. this is low-class gamesmanship, easy to their deception. sorry but you guys are inept and liars.
on March 15,2012 | 09:24PM
Changalang wrote:
Jones is a has been blow hard who couldn't hold a candle to Bob Sevey, and his jealousy of a real journalist stains his character. Since when does a real journalist scold politicians for being more transparent with the public? Answer: Only when they are sell outs like you. ' Jones, in desperate need of a sensitivity chip, concludes his column about Sevey: "He'll be an obituary sometime soon. Always the hard-to-control journalist, I want to get a jump on the story." ' (Leslie Blogs, when Sevey was in Hospice) You are in good company aiea7. Birds of a feather.
on March 15,2012 | 09:36PM
pakeheat wrote:
Did this bobjones spend couple of tours in the war in Vietnam? I think it did some harm to him intellectually, LOL.
on March 16,2012 | 12:02AM
Bean808 wrote:
Is the Hamayasu for real. The kool aid the the council once sniffed (except Garcia, who drank a gallon) has open its eyes and can see the demise of Honolulu considering the cost the value this this project. As for the LaHood and Inouye exchange,l how many times was it rehearsed? Amazing.
on March 15,2012 | 04:17PM
meathead wrote:
We should be more concerned about the contract that Hamayasu drafted and signed. Parsons Brinkerhoff gets paid millions of dollars for doing nothing. What a sweetheart deal!!! The longer Hamayasu is in control, the more we taxpayers will lose. Who would ever sign a contract like that? Someone should investigate how a contract like this could have been signed.
on March 15,2012 | 04:37PM
Changalang wrote:
That goes all the way to the top. PB has a long history in D.C. with certain shot callers; Halliburton too.
on March 15,2012 | 06:35PM
keawe wrote:
How did you get Ten Million dollars a month if we delay construction? Why just STOP RAIL and save money? Everyone knows it's not going to happen anyway. Why are our elected officials not understand that this project will "suck" money for our much needed projects like Schools, Sewer Systems, Road Work, and Basic Infrastructure needs. Who is really committed to this anyway? Not the people that understand what the future will bring if this WHITE ELEPHANT happens.
on March 15,2012 | 04:30PM
MKN wrote:
On another note, all of rail supporters better start praying that Obama gets re-elected along with a majority in the Senate because if that doesn't happen, the $250 million if it passes this year is all we are probably going to get since a Republican takeover of the Presidency and/or the Senate would spell doom for any additional funding for rail. Republicans want to cut government spending in the worst way possible and rail would unfortunately be one of the projects that would be on the chopping block because its too expensive.
on March 15,2012 | 04:31PM
CouchPotato wrote:
Isn't this the Rail Project that was tossed voted on that was suppose to be like 3 billion? Bait-n-switch. If you thought the traffic was bad with the water main break on Nimitz just wait until they build the Rail in town. Gridlock for the next several years ... that's going to be a nightmare.
on March 15,2012 | 04:50PM
culi wrote:
Are we building this rail for the congested traffic or to get construction workers back to work? Seems like the people of Hawaii will get only a small percentage of the money. No person from Hawaii will get any work to build the rail cars.
on March 15,2012 | 04:59PM
Changalang wrote:
Rail is about moving Oahu taxpayer money to special interests and insider pockets; it is not about moving people. Look at how much money "moved" through this project already vs. the fact that Rail will not move one person for a decade. The only people Rail will move when construction starts is everybody in Leeward gridlock into one lane in and one lane out while Keiwit puts in the huge support cylinders over the next TEN years ! Wake up and vote Ben; for common sense sake !
on March 15,2012 | 06:17PM
Changalang wrote:
Sorry, had to piggy back. Censor won't let me post direct. You called it culi. Hawaii carpenters only going get the gadut work.
on March 15,2012 | 06:24PM
phoenixguyhere wrote:
I have taken THE BUS from the airport to Ala Moana and also to Haleiwa. I felt like I was in a 3rd world country the way the driver treated me because I had luggage. Hawaii depends on tourists for many jobs. I am in Honolulu at least 4 times a year. I am from Chicago where both airports are served by "heavy rail" as you call it. No hassles about luggage on the "L" as it is called...nor on the bus. Call it "light rail or heavy rail", it is the same. Moving people from A to B. When it is built, I will take it. Honopic.....thanks for the Ohana message. Nattering nabobs of negativism live in their shell and never experience new things
on March 15,2012 | 05:05PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Is it not in your other post praising Phoenix rail you commented that you had to pay $40 for taxi fare to reach Alamoana from the airport? Here you are now telling us a different story - taking the bus instead of a taxi for $40.
on March 15,2012 | 09:48PM
tiki886 wrote:
He changed his mind. He doen't want to pay $40 for a cab to get to his destination. He wants Oahu residents to pay for his trip to Waikiki so he can start his vacation 20 minutes sooner.
on March 15,2012 | 11:19PM
pakeheat wrote:
For the second time light and heavy rail aren't the same, what part you don't understand?
on March 16,2012 | 12:03AM
ejkorvette wrote:
Phoenixguyhere, Bravo. Excellent points you made. It's sad to say that the mentality of some of the people and their comments you are reading on this page, pretty much explains why Hawaii is in the condition that's it's in. Hawaii/Honolulu has some Fantastic people, that are educated and very capable of turning the State into a Winner. The Huge Obstacle is there are more "Grumblers than there are Movers and Shakers Doers".
on March 16,2012 | 03:21AM
honopic wrote:
This was so funny I had to go lua! Movers? Shakers? Doers? You and your PHX buddy seem more like do-doers. "Turning the state into a winner?" Brah, we were winners long before you got here and will be long after you're gone. Which, I hope, is soon.
on March 16,2012 | 06:58PM
honopic wrote:
You're welcome, Spiro. It's always a smart move to quote a disgraced politician who was charged with extortion, bribery, conspiracy and tax fraud and had to resign as Vice President of the U.S. That really makes your case stronger. Checkmate.
on March 16,2012 | 06:53PM
islandsun wrote:
Rail has nothing to do with traffic or jobs. Contractors were going to put in expensive change orders anyway and the cost would always be increasing. HART does not serve public interests, only their own. They will be held accountable at some point for the abuse of public funds.
on March 15,2012 | 05:29PM
Changalang wrote:
Yes, and they will create "problems" so the time line of construction must be modified to create a constant cycle of change order and project extension while the West-side sits in way worse traffic.
on March 15,2012 | 06:21PM
news333 wrote:
Why deont we just put new ties and rebuild the railroad that goes from waianae to almost town? Oh nyeah, because Mitt Romney thought of Cities should go bankrupt to advance their financial future. So, we should kill ourselves to be reborn? LOL
on March 15,2012 | 06:02PM
Hullstown wrote:
The *fact* is, building rail will cost a lot more than not building rail. End of story.
on March 15,2012 | 06:14PM
Hullstown wrote:
The *fact* is, building rail will cost a lot more than not building rail.
on March 15,2012 | 06:16PM
Changalang wrote:
Issa's people need to survey the current $109 billion transpo legislation transmitted to the U.S. House yesterday.
on March 15,2012 | 06:39PM
Changalang wrote:
Issa's people need more time to survey the$109 Billion transpo legislation.
on March 15,2012 | 06:37PM
bigwest wrote:
Toru Hamamasu's response to the Council's Budget Chair's inquiry is insanity! $10,000,000 per month of delay--I can't believe the City and the then Mayor Mufi Hannemann would sign a contract with Kiewit that would expose our community to such a penalty; especially knowing the uncertainties that were evident at the time. Mufi was blinded by his political agenda! Now we have to pay the consequences. Councilmenbers you are permitting the Administration to squander monies that we are all paying for with the .05% GET.
on March 15,2012 | 06:44PM
localguy wrote:
A money pit is a money pit. Rail supports fail to say exactly how much tax payers will be required to subsidize our choo choo as rider fees will not fully cover operational costs. Why? We are spending so many billions to build the train, fully paying user fees will price ridership out of everyone's reach. Users should fully pay for rail as taxpayers are already subsidizing The Bus & Handy Van. Our bureaucrats think taxpayers are an endless supply of money they can tap to pay for their pet projects. Wrong answer. And the state has yet to fully address the billions of dollars it will take to fix our roads, water supply and utilities. The billions of dollars the ERS is short will never be replaced, retirees better get used to a reduced check and the need to better fund their retirement by themselves. Hold on to your wallets as our bureaucrats have very sticky fingers.
on March 15,2012 | 06:46PM
soundofreason wrote:
"Delaying rail construction would cost more, city official says">> Not if it's delayed.........forever. You guys are done trying to ramrod this thing through via vague voting questions and deceptive 3.5 billion dollar estimates.
on March 15,2012 | 07:04PM
mililanihi wrote:
So obvious, so shibai. Rail is dead...The radio ad's to go forward ?? gimme a break ..our roads, sewers...broken water mains everwhere. Property tax, sewer fee's, liquor tax , tobacco tax, vehicle tax, gasoline tax, excise tax, recycling fee, tax on tax...wake up people.
on March 15,2012 | 07:27PM
soundofreason wrote:
hawaii reporter... Alexandria, VA - Today, State Budget Solutions (SBS), a nonprofit organization advocating for fundamental reform of state budgets, released their study on the states that tax the highest number of services. Topping the list was Hawaii with 160 services taxed, followed by New Mexico and Washington that tied for second place with 158. “Nearly every states taxes services, however, states like Hawaii, New Mexico and Washington take taxing to a new level,” said Bob Williams, State Budget Solutions President. “Many of these taxes stem from governments that have massive state budget deficits and need to tax their way out of the financial hole they are in.”
on March 15,2012 | 07:44PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
What time was this original story, "Fed Approve Construction". cut and paste over by Toru's picture? Wow the SA pulled a fast switch! Geez, ever seen the movie Wag the Dog? Same style.
on March 15,2012 | 08:00PM
ghstar wrote:
Secretary LaHood is waffling on the Federal support -- ". . . until we hear differntly from others . . ." is a 100% loop hole. Don't count these chickens. And the City destroyed any credibility it had with the council today. Yeah, pour those pillars, it's cheaper that way. Sure. And don't put restrictions on our ability to put the city in debt -- trust us, the checks are coming from Washington. Unless they're not. I'm feeling more screwed every day.
on March 15,2012 | 08:05PM
AieaJon wrote:
Stop rail! If people get tired of their commute, eventually they will move closer to their workplace. This may re-situate the population to lessen the congestion. People may also change jobs closer to where they live. Building UH West Oahu campus and even expanding it will spread the UH population that causes a lot of the present congestion. Start reducing the UH Manoa campus. Use of other transit options, already on the board, that doesn't cost that much will also help. Build less homes and the poplutaion will eventually settle with less people coming to Hawaii. Sorry, eventually there will be too many people on limited land. Start and plan now. No more large condos. If you continue to build homes and condos for people from outside the state to move here, you will get more congestion. We need to control the population. Sorry, that is just the way it is. We who are here now or are born, have certain rights. Those who do not live here now, don't. Again, too many people on limited land.
on March 15,2012 | 08:37PM
Eagle156 wrote:
Boy are we getting HOOD-winked on this one .It just shows how out of touch the FTA is in continuing to support this ill conceived,overpriced and outdated project. It is probably the first time in history that a high capacity single line rail project has been planned to originate in a farm field and end up at a shopping center. This is certainly in high contrast to Mr. Hood's erroneous remark that it will be "delivering people all over the island"
on March 15,2012 | 08:57PM
entrkn wrote:
It is a done deal... now get to it.
on March 15,2012 | 09:12PM
pakeheat wrote:
You probably drive to work, don't you?
on March 16,2012 | 12:05AM
stangcyn wrote:
While everyone argues the pros and cons about our rail subject, let's think out of the box a bit for a change. There ARE options to the rail project. Everyone should take a look via internet at what the island of Trinidad has done to reduce their God awful traffic jammed North to South multi-lane highway about 22 miles long between their two major population centers. Trinidad is very similar if not a mirror of our situation here on Oahu with like population. Yes, they are using their other "highway" already built, at no cost, with zero upkeep, and no traffic jams. They have purchased 4 very specifically designed and built 405 high speed passenger ferries that move thousand of people a day between the two population centers. The Trinidad ferries operate over exactly the same coastal water conditions as we have here. The 4 ferries and complete operational logistical requirements costs including everything including fuel requirements for 10 years operation would be between $200 and $300 million dollars. A tad bit cheaper then the train at $5,600 million dollars and counting! Further, we could and should get some use out of the already built expensive Ferry Dock & Facilities at Barber's Point Harbor, and the former Super Ferry Terminal in the heart of Honolulu Harbor. Using the Terminal in Honolulu Harbor would allow connecting TheBus to literally stop dockside for passenger connectivity. A win win for both modes of transportation. Further, negotions with the Navy to share use of the existing Iroquois Point Dockage would be an asset to the population & ferry passengers living near by. The City and County Ferry is not the complete answer by any means, but it could be a big factor in solving our island morning and evening "freeway parking lot" situation. Ben Cayetano has the RIGHT plan, STOP the train BEFORE any work is started, incorporate smarter transportation with TheBus, set up special lanes, timed lights, promote companies have alternate work times, finish up Kapolei's government offices, fix the roads, sewers, and water mains. Even if the train were to ever happen, we still MUST fix our roads, sewers, and water mains! As a tax paying voter, I don't want and can not afford the rail and you shouldn't either!
on March 15,2012 | 09:53PM
NDN wrote:
What am i missing here? It will be cheaper to build and tear down the columns rather than delay?? Are you kidding me??That makes no sense at all. How can they make statements like that?? Who hired these guys?? Something sounds really fishy! Follow the $$$ and you will find the answers.
on March 15,2012 | 10:07PM
Changalang wrote:
And Mr. T says it with a straight face. He is not even supposed to be Executive Director anymore. It is that new guy who got fired in Boston for safety violations and other soon to be exposed activities.
on March 15,2012 | 10:31PM
tiki886 wrote:
That statement lacks the confidence that once was the attitude that rail was a done deal. The language of doubt is seeping into their mentallity. They see the writing on the wall which spells the end of rail.
on March 15,2012 | 11:30PM
NDN wrote:
They want to put the columns so they can keep pushing this thing forward. Once the columns are up they gonna say now it's too costly to tear down. It is a ploy. Shut this project down now!! Nobody I talked to will ride the rail. Even people who ride the bus now said they wouldn't ride it.
on March 15,2012 | 10:12PM
Rbear wrote:
i looked and looked - but no comments ad nauseum from Hannah Miyamoto - rails HUGEST admirer - lotta rhetoric from her but i'd lay odds she will not ride it - as much as she touts it - LOL - she probably would be dead by the time it gets built - SO educated but no common sense __ just annoyed cos of all the ignorance of pro rail folks - am NOT pro rail but there is NO concern for things we should have priorities on --- FIRST - JUST saying
on March 15,2012 | 10:40PM
pakeheat wrote:
I asked her once why don't you join the blog on S.A.? she said, "I don't waste my time with ignorant and selfish people." You can find her on Civil Beat
on March 16,2012 | 12:10AM
inverse wrote:
You sure it is 'her'? With he/she follow the $$$$$ and you will find the rail connection.
on March 16,2012 | 03:59AM
pakeheat wrote:
Don Horner said, if you want to stop this project, do you want to put the construction workers back on the bench, my answer is, YES, what is wrong with that? The construction union has no class, only thinking about themselves, "ME, ME, ME, TOO BAD.
on March 15,2012 | 11:35PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
It is so great to see these politicos so generous with other people’s money. Ahhh, what a great example of American style government corruption at its best. Thanks should go to the senior Senator from Hawaii.
on March 15,2012 | 11:36PM
Oye_Como_Va wrote:
It is so great to see these politicos so generous with other people’s money. Ahhh, what a great example of American style government corruption at its best. Thanks should also go to the senior Senator from Hawaii for his pork barrel spending.
on March 15,2012 | 11:37PM
inverse wrote:
The rail with almost 100% certainty will FAIL. Bottom line is on Oahu and NOT Denver, Vancouver, San Diego, etc. it is the W Oahu to Honolulu (and back) weekday school commuting crowd that determines whether Oahu traffic is bearable or gridlock and the rail with its walk/bus/rail/bus/walk solution would easily double their commute time from either use of an express bus like the Country Express! or in a personal vehicle and hence they will NEVER use the train. FACTS using GPS drive times when school is in vs when private school and UH is out cannot be disputed by BS pro rail propaganda artists including Hamayasu. Talk about how the train will be extended to Ewa Beach or go to UH Manoa from Ala Moana is ONLY BS talk and is not budgeted would easily add a couple of BILLION more than the TRUE cost of 7 BILLION to just go from an empty field in Kapolei to Ala Moana Center.

Also the other reailly big BS lie is that if any construction worker not already hired by Kiewett to work on the concrete rail pillars and transitway will NOT be hired now or in the future to build rail. Why? Because only one section of rail can be worked on at any one time to minimize the traffic disruption, especially when the rail section is being built anywhere in the town section so therefore only a MINIMUM of Hawaii construction workers will get jobs directly tied to rail. Steel rail track, construction of the train cars, train electrical and electronics will be constructed/assembled outside of Hawaii, actually mostly outside the United States and in Italy, since Ansaldo is an Italian company, and then shipped to Oahu. The workers who will actually be handling the majority of train parts will NOT be from Hawaii and most likely from Italy or from mainland US who has prior experience in actually building a working train. Hawaii construction workers are getting DUPED. If you guys want REAL work, the best outcome is if Cayetano becomes mayor, he kills the rail from the inside and BOTH the City and State work on traffic solutions that will actually make a difference such as addressing known Oahu choke points like the H1/H2 merge, Middle St merge and the H1 East bound Vineyard/Ward/Piikoi onramps/ Punahou offramp nightmares. Key flyover/flyunder/etc road solutions will directly benefit Oahu construction workers and not some bankrupt Italian firm that has questionable ties to the HART Chair and his former CEO job at First Hawaiian bank.
on March 16,2012 | 03:35AM
Kuniarr wrote:
The FTA gave a Letter of No Prejudice only this year. Now why would anyone issue a contract to start building 3 years before the FTA gave the green light to build? The FBI should be called to investigate possible corruption involved in the issuance of multi-million contracts in this multi-billion project.
on March 16,2012 | 04:18AM
clum56 wrote:
Why don't delay the start of the rail and elevate the $$ for that. I guess the city has more $$ to contribute to the funds to get this thing done.... vote for cayetano so he can veto the rail.
on March 16,2012 | 04:38AM
heywow wrote:
So Wendell Cox has been sited on a number of issues having to deal with the rail. I thought this article was very informative on his background. People should really read this article. It is authored by an independent source. Carleton College is considered one of the top liberal arts colleges in the country.
on March 16,2012 | 11:01AM
heywow wrote:
So Wendell Cox has been sited on a number of issues having to deal with the rail. I thought this article was very informative on his background. People should really read this article. It is authored by an independent source. Carleton College is considered one of the top liberal arts colleges in the country http://orgs.carleton.edu/farmhouse/lrt/essays/cox.htm Sorry didn't leave the link on the last comment
on March 16,2012 | 11:03AM
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